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		<title>By: NJGal</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2007/01/11/new-jersey-economy-lagging/#comment-70207</link>
		<dc:creator>NJGal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New in Town, I want to say that I have seen an old firehouse for sale recently in Jersey City, but being a bit forgetful, I cannot remember if it was a realtor site or craigslist.  I want to say Craigslist - good place to start.  But I definitely saw one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New in Town, I want to say that I have seen an old firehouse for sale recently in Jersey City, but being a bit forgetful, I cannot remember if it was a realtor site or craigslist.  I want to say Craigslist &#8211; good place to start.  But I definitely saw one.</p>
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		<title>By: BC Bob</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2007/01/11/new-jersey-economy-lagging/#comment-70185</link>
		<dc:creator>BC Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chi,

Just repeating condoshack, can&#039;t take credit for that one. All the credit goes to BOOOOOOYAAAAA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chi,</p>
<p>Just repeating condoshack, can&#8217;t take credit for that one. All the credit goes to BOOOOOOYAAAAA.</p>
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		<title>By: politely</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2007/01/11/new-jersey-economy-lagging/#comment-70129</link>
		<dc:creator>politely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 05:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To put a pessimistic spin on things, this renewed enthusiasm for buying houses - I believe Clot and I have no doubt that it&#039;s real.  However, I have a suspicion that it&#039;s just limited pent up demand that couldn&#039;t be filled when prices were 10%-20% higher.  Of course, can&#039;t be sure except in hindsight, but this seems like one of the first false bottoms we&#039;ll see on a long trail down.

Two reasons for my view are the impending wave of foreclosure and the drying up of liquidity in the housing market.  Given that more than half of the mortgage market now consists of subprime loans, what happens when these borrowers, (i) fail to get loans for home purchases because of tightening underwriting standards (not to mention the fewer number of solvent subprime lenders) and, (ii) for those who did get these loans, default in large numbers?  I think the result is that lower-priced homes don&#039;t get sold and subsequently the current owners can&#039;t trade up and secondly, that more housing is available because of both lack of buyers and increasing numbers of REOs.

For a numerical example, the article referenced below (which I think was posted here previously) has some numbers: more than $800B of subprime loans originated last year (which represented more than half of last year&#039;s MBS issuance), and currently 4% of securitized subprime loans are 60 days or more delinquent.  Assuming that the delinquency percentage doesn&#039;t go up (unlikely), thats about $32B of loans that&#039;ll probably go REO.  The total number that will go REO will be higher, simply because securitization underwriters diligence loan pools and reject obviously bad loans before they go into a standard securitization (eg, the EPD loans).  It&#039;s no wonder that the ABCDS market is tough lately.

-P

http://www.moneyweek.com/file/22805/the-us-housing-market-is-different-this-time---its-worse.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To put a pessimistic spin on things, this renewed enthusiasm for buying houses &#8211; I believe Clot and I have no doubt that it&#8217;s real.  However, I have a suspicion that it&#8217;s just limited pent up demand that couldn&#8217;t be filled when prices were 10%-20% higher.  Of course, can&#8217;t be sure except in hindsight, but this seems like one of the first false bottoms we&#8217;ll see on a long trail down.</p>
<p>Two reasons for my view are the impending wave of foreclosure and the drying up of liquidity in the housing market.  Given that more than half of the mortgage market now consists of subprime loans, what happens when these borrowers, (i) fail to get loans for home purchases because of tightening underwriting standards (not to mention the fewer number of solvent subprime lenders) and, (ii) for those who did get these loans, default in large numbers?  I think the result is that lower-priced homes don&#8217;t get sold and subsequently the current owners can&#8217;t trade up and secondly, that more housing is available because of both lack of buyers and increasing numbers of REOs.</p>
<p>For a numerical example, the article referenced below (which I think was posted here previously) has some numbers: more than $800B of subprime loans originated last year (which represented more than half of last year&#8217;s MBS issuance), and currently 4% of securitized subprime loans are 60 days or more delinquent.  Assuming that the delinquency percentage doesn&#8217;t go up (unlikely), thats about $32B of loans that&#8217;ll probably go REO.  The total number that will go REO will be higher, simply because securitization underwriters diligence loan pools and reject obviously bad loans before they go into a standard securitization (eg, the EPD loans).  It&#8217;s no wonder that the ABCDS market is tough lately.</p>
<p>-P</p>
<p><a href="http://www.moneyweek.com/file/22805/the-us-housing-market-is-different-this-time---its-worse.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.moneyweek.com/file/22805/the-us-housing-market-is-different-this-time&#8212;its-worse.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: RentinginNJ</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2007/01/11/new-jersey-economy-lagging/#comment-70127</link>
		<dc:creator>RentinginNJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 04:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.itsspendingstupid.com/

Sad, but funny.</description>
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<p>Sad, but funny.</p>
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		<title>By: UnRealtor</title>
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		<dc:creator>UnRealtor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 04:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;&quot;What do they sell at CondoShack?&quot;&lt;/I&gt;


Debt slavery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;What do they sell at CondoShack?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Debt slavery.</p>
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		<title>By: UnRealtor</title>
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		<dc:creator>UnRealtor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 04:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#137, good link.


Housing market pain not revealed by stats

Home sellers are crying but the data doesn&#039;t seem to reflect their woes.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/01/11/real_estate/housing_pain_statistics/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#137, good link.</p>
<p>Housing market pain not revealed by stats</p>
<p>Home sellers are crying but the data doesn&#8217;t seem to reflect their woes.</p>
<p><a href="http://money.cnn.com/2007/01/11/real_estate/housing_pain_statistics/" rel="nofollow">http://money.cnn.com/2007/01/11/real_estate/housing_pain_statistics/</a></p>
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		<title>By: chicagofinance</title>
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		<dc:creator>chicagofinance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 03:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BC Bob Says: 
January 11th, 2007 at 9:13 pm 

&quot;CondoShack&quot; - it sounds like the condo version of RadioShack.  I never go into RadioShack unless I need bizarre arcane techie things such such as calculator batteries, maybe a new computer keyboard after I spilled coffee on the old one....

What do they sell at CondoShack?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BC Bob Says:<br />
January 11th, 2007 at 9:13 pm </p>
<p>&#8220;CondoShack&#8221; &#8211; it sounds like the condo version of RadioShack.  I never go into RadioShack unless I need bizarre arcane techie things such such as calculator batteries, maybe a new computer keyboard after I spilled coffee on the old one&#8230;.</p>
<p>What do they sell at CondoShack?</p>
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		<title>By: chicagofinance</title>
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		<dc:creator>chicagofinance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 03:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New In Town Says: 
January 11th, 2007 at 10:01 pm

New: an old ahem &quot;friend&quot; of mine used to live in a converted firehouse in Hoboken on Grand Street between Fourth and Fifth.  I think it says &quot;No. 5&quot; on the front.  Cool cavernous layout....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New In Town Says:<br />
January 11th, 2007 at 10:01 pm</p>
<p>New: an old ahem &#8220;friend&#8221; of mine used to live in a converted firehouse in Hoboken on Grand Street between Fourth and Fifth.  I think it says &#8220;No. 5&#8243; on the front.  Cool cavernous layout&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: syncmaster</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2007/01/11/new-jersey-economy-lagging/#comment-70118</link>
		<dc:creator>syncmaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 03:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://money.cnn.com/2007/01/11/real_estate/housing_pain_statistics/index.htm?cnn=yes&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Housing market pain not revealed by stats&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://money.cnn.com/2007/01/11/real_estate/housing_pain_statistics/index.htm?cnn=yes" rel="nofollow">Housing market pain not revealed by stats</a></p>
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		<title>By: housingcrash</title>
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		<dc:creator>housingcrash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 03:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BC Bob #125 was GREAT READING!!!
Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BC Bob #125 was GREAT READING!!!<br />
Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: syncmaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>syncmaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 03:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zac,

Yes, I&#039;ve noticed that. I would hate to live in a state that only had affluent towns, then I&#039;d have to move to North Carolina sooner than expected. I am thankful towns like mine exist where I can actually afford a place to live and not have to worry about crime. It&#039;s a nice deal for someone like me :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zac,</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;ve noticed that. I would hate to live in a state that only had affluent towns, then I&#8217;d have to move to North Carolina sooner than expected. I am thankful towns like mine exist where I can actually afford a place to live and not have to worry about crime. It&#8217;s a nice deal for someone like me :)</p>
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		<title>By: SAS</title>
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		<dc:creator>SAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 03:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re. my #128 post.  I did come across as blanket.
THere are always exceptions.  

SAS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re. my #128 post.  I did come across as blanket.<br />
THere are always exceptions.  </p>
<p>SAS</p>
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		<title>By: Zac</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2007/01/11/new-jersey-economy-lagging/#comment-70114</link>
		<dc:creator>Zac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 03:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...you&#039;ll never see a walmart in the more affluent towns; so if your town has one...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;you&#8217;ll never see a walmart in the more affluent towns; so if your town has one&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SAS</title>
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		<dc:creator>SAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 03:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New In Town,

In my experience, in most area, WalMart brings down residential properties.  Now, if you own a plot of land, something of that nature, thats a different story.

You want a real good example of land going up, buy yet, home prices going down.

Look up &quot;lacrosse street in rapid city, South Dakota&quot; that is a very good example.

hope that made sense and helps some.

SAS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New In Town,</p>
<p>In my experience, in most area, WalMart brings down residential properties.  Now, if you own a plot of land, something of that nature, thats a different story.</p>
<p>You want a real good example of land going up, buy yet, home prices going down.</p>
<p>Look up &#8220;lacrosse street in rapid city, South Dakota&#8221; that is a very good example.</p>
<p>hope that made sense and helps some.</p>
<p>SAS</p>
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		<title>By: syncmaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>syncmaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 03:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SAS,

A new Walmart opened up in my town some years ago, right before the RE boom ... the boom still happened. It didn&#039;t seem to have any effect. Maybe the boom would have been bigger if the Walmart never opened... I guess we&#039;ll never know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SAS,</p>
<p>A new Walmart opened up in my town some years ago, right before the RE boom &#8230; the boom still happened. It didn&#8217;t seem to have any effect. Maybe the boom would have been bigger if the Walmart never opened&#8230; I guess we&#8217;ll never know.</p>
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