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		<title>By: baby</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2008/02/06/north-jersey-january-residential-sales/#comment-166376</link>
		<dc:creator>baby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great website!! Keep up the good work!!</description>
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		<title>By: weary</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2008/02/06/north-jersey-january-residential-sales/#comment-161901</link>
		<dc:creator>weary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 12:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is too depressing. I&#039;m going on vacation! Just got a good deal from Club ABC. ( www.clubabc.com -if you are interested)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is too depressing. I&#8217;m going on vacation! Just got a good deal from Club ABC. ( <a href="http://www.clubabc.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.clubabc.com</a> -if you are interested)</p>
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		<title>By: RentinginNJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>RentinginNJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Ina 400 k loan, you pay like 2300 a month, it is very cheap. It used to be like 3000 a month&lt;/i&gt;

Skunky,

It’s not very cheap.
Before the bubble you could buy for 200K what it now takes 400k to buy. Even though rates were higher, you got the same house for 1450/month versus 2300/month today.

So, while nominal income has grown by 24% since 2000, the monthly payment on the same exact house (under your very cheap scenario) has grown by 60%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Ina 400 k loan, you pay like 2300 a month, it is very cheap. It used to be like 3000 a month</i></p>
<p>Skunky,</p>
<p>It’s not very cheap.<br />
Before the bubble you could buy for 200K what it now takes 400k to buy. Even though rates were higher, you got the same house for 1450/month versus 2300/month today.</p>
<p>So, while nominal income has grown by 24% since 2000, the monthly payment on the same exact house (under your very cheap scenario) has grown by 60%.</p>
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		<title>By: Bloodbath in Winter 2007</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bloodbath in Winter 2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) surprised by all the hillary bashing ... she&#039;s got my vote
2) wife is a hardcore republican and she&#039;s surprised to hear republicans on this board backing Barry O
3) still can&#039;t believe the Suns traded for Shaq 
4) just read that &#039;Death of Vince Foster&#039; entry on wiki ... what a joke
5) someone mentioned the other day that maybe Google was buyable at 500 ... with no evidence to back it, i think i&#039;ll wait for 400</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) surprised by all the hillary bashing &#8230; she&#8217;s got my vote<br />
2) wife is a hardcore republican and she&#8217;s surprised to hear republicans on this board backing Barry O<br />
3) still can&#8217;t believe the Suns traded for Shaq<br />
4) just read that &#8216;Death of Vince Foster&#8217; entry on wiki &#8230; what a joke<br />
5) someone mentioned the other day that maybe Google was buyable at 500 &#8230; with no evidence to back it, i think i&#8217;ll wait for 400</p>
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		<title>By: jcer</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2008/02/06/north-jersey-january-residential-sales/#comment-155286</link>
		<dc:creator>jcer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The foreclosures are a comin to every neighborhood near you, I am seeing them from the poor urban areas, to rich urban areas, to rich suburban areas, to poor suburban areas, foreclosures where 300k was owed and where 1.5 million was owed.  Speculators created demand where there was none and it has finally caught up.  The 400k shack in marginal towns should have been an indicator and to those  of us on this board it was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The foreclosures are a comin to every neighborhood near you, I am seeing them from the poor urban areas, to rich urban areas, to rich suburban areas, to poor suburban areas, foreclosures where 300k was owed and where 1.5 million was owed.  Speculators created demand where there was none and it has finally caught up.  The 400k shack in marginal towns should have been an indicator and to those  of us on this board it was.</p>
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		<title>By: mikeinwaiting</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikeinwaiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 01:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JBJB 231 You got it only ths beginning.
Now I&#039;ll be singing Chicago all night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JBJB 231 You got it only ths beginning.<br />
Now I&#8217;ll be singing Chicago all night.</p>
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		<title>By: JBJB</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2008/02/06/north-jersey-january-residential-sales/#comment-155276</link>
		<dc:creator>JBJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have noticed two short sale ads in my middle/upper class neighborhood this week. Maybe we&#039;re only at the beginning of the downturn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have noticed two short sale ads in my middle/upper class neighborhood this week. Maybe we&#8217;re only at the beginning of the downturn.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>California Bumper sticker....

Vote For Monica&#039;s Boyfriend&#039;s Wife</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>California Bumper sticker&#8230;.</p>
<p>Vote For Monica&#8217;s Boyfriend&#8217;s Wife</p>
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		<title>By: njpatient</title>
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		<dc:creator>njpatient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Speculators May Have Accelerated Housing Downturn&quot;

&quot;Consumption of 750ml Bottle of Ketel May Have Contributed to Drunkenness&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Speculators May Have Accelerated Housing Downturn&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Consumption of 750ml Bottle of Ketel May Have Contributed to Drunkenness&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: njpatient</title>
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		<dc:creator>njpatient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;chicagofinance Says: 
February 6th, 2008 at 6:13 pm 
doh!&quot;

Oh my sweet jeebus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;chicagofinance Says:<br />
February 6th, 2008 at 6:13 pm<br />
doh!&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh my sweet jeebus.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s blame the flippers.

&quot;occupancy fraud&quot;


Speculators May Have Accelerated Housing Downturn
Rising Number of Defaults
Also Could Complicate
Effort to Help Homeowners
By RUTH SIMON and MICHAEL CORKERY
February 6, 2008; Page B8

As lenders pore over their defaulted mortgages, they are learning that the number of people who bought homes as investments is much greater than previously believed.

Such borrowers turn up frequently in analyses of loans that defaulted within months after origination. In many cases, these speculators lied on loan applications, saying they intended to live in the homes in order to obtain more favorable loan terms or failed to provide the requested information.

Roughly 20% of mortgage fraud involved &quot;occupancy fraud,&quot; or borrowers falsely claiming they intended to live in a property, according to an analysis by BasePoint Analytics, a provider of fraud-detection solutions in Carlsbad, Calif. Another study, by Fitch Ratings, looked at 45 subprime loans that defaulted within the first 12 months even though the borrowers had good credit scores. In two-thirds of the cases, borrowers said they intended to live in the property but never moved in.

Some home builders have come to similar conclusions: They now believe that as many as one in four home buyers in some markets were investors during the boom, up from their earlier estimates of one in 10 buyers.

The high number of hidden speculators helps explain some of the problems roiling the housing and mortgage markets. The loans backing these speculator purchases turned out to be riskier than ratings agencies and investors who bought mortgage-backed securities once thought. Investors tend to be more likely than borrowers who live in the homes to walk away from their purchases when home prices fall. &quot;We couldn&#039;t understand what was driving so many borrowers to default so early in the life of their mortgage,&quot; said Glenn Costello, a managing director at Fitch.

Much of the occupancy fraud was concentrated in markets such as Florida, Nevada and Arizona, where prices were appreciating by double-digit percentages annually, said Kevin Kanouff, president of Denver-based Clayton Fixed-Income Services, a unit of Clayton Holdings Inc. that reviews about seven million loans a month on behalf of investors.

In Las Vegas, as many as 60% of the foreclosures last year involved non-owner-occupied homes, according to Applied Analysis, a real-estate-research firm. The Las Vegas firm compared the addresses of the borrowers with the locations of their homes. Where the addresses didn&#039;t match likely indicated a speculator.

The temptation to lie can be substantial and may have been encouraged, or at least tolerated, by mortgage brokers and real-estate agents eager to close a home sale. Standards tend to be tougher for borrowers purchasing investment properties, since these loans are considered riskier.

Lenders typically allowed investors to finance no more than 90% of a home&#039;s value, but if borrowers said they planned to live in the property, they could buy a home with no money down, even if they had scuffed credit and didn&#039;t document their income, said Pete Ogilvie, a mortgage broker in Santa Cruz, Calif., and president of the California Association of Mortgage Brokers.
[Graphic]

In the early years of the housing boom, demand for homes rose because of strong economic fundamentals and low interest rates, which made it more affordable for a large swath of Americans to buy homes. But as home prices began to soar, hordes of investors jumped in.

Once there was a whiff that prices could no longer rise, this speculative demand evaporated, sending prices falling in some markets. The housing boom would eventually have cooled, anyway, but investors amplified the boom and bust.

Rising defaults among speculators may complicate government efforts to assist home buyers. The Bush administration has said it wants to help only homeowners facing foreclosure, not speculators. But foreclosures of investor-owned properties can create ripple effects in neighborhoods, pushing down prices and making it tougher for people who live in those communities to refinance or sell their homes if they can&#039;t make their mortgage payments.

Lenders and builders said they tried to weed out speculators during the boom. To discourage flipping, some builders put clauses into contracts stating that investors who resold their homes soon after they bought had to give up some of their profits.

&quot;We had people at the end signing four-page documents, &#039;I am not an investor. I am not an investor. I am not an investor,&#039; &quot; Robert Toll, chief executive of luxury builder Toll Brothers Inc., said at a UBS AG conference in 2006. And the person &quot;turned out to be an investor, of course.&quot;

While it is true that occupancy fraud can sometimes be difficult to detect, fraud experts said lenders and builders could have vetted their borrowers more closely. Pulling a borrower&#039;s credit report, for instance, may reveal multiple mortgages. In other cases, appraisal reports will sometimes indicate that a tenant lives in the property, and Internet searches can also turn up indications that a borrower owns multiple homes.

&quot;There&#039;s a lot of telltale signs,&quot; said Frank McKenna, chief fraud strategist for BasePoint, which develops computerized fraud-detection tools. But &quot;the industry was very focused on volume,&quot; he said.

Write to Ruth Simon at ruth.simon@wsj.com and Michael Corkery at michael.corkery@wsj.com


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s blame the flippers.</p>
<p>&#8220;occupancy fraud&#8221;</p>
<p>Speculators May Have Accelerated Housing Downturn<br />
Rising Number of Defaults<br />
Also Could Complicate<br />
Effort to Help Homeowners<br />
By RUTH SIMON and MICHAEL CORKERY<br />
February 6, 2008; Page B8</p>
<p>As lenders pore over their defaulted mortgages, they are learning that the number of people who bought homes as investments is much greater than previously believed.</p>
<p>Such borrowers turn up frequently in analyses of loans that defaulted within months after origination. In many cases, these speculators lied on loan applications, saying they intended to live in the homes in order to obtain more favorable loan terms or failed to provide the requested information.</p>
<p>Roughly 20% of mortgage fraud involved &#8220;occupancy fraud,&#8221; or borrowers falsely claiming they intended to live in a property, according to an analysis by BasePoint Analytics, a provider of fraud-detection solutions in Carlsbad, Calif. Another study, by Fitch Ratings, looked at 45 subprime loans that defaulted within the first 12 months even though the borrowers had good credit scores. In two-thirds of the cases, borrowers said they intended to live in the property but never moved in.</p>
<p>Some home builders have come to similar conclusions: They now believe that as many as one in four home buyers in some markets were investors during the boom, up from their earlier estimates of one in 10 buyers.</p>
<p>The high number of hidden speculators helps explain some of the problems roiling the housing and mortgage markets. The loans backing these speculator purchases turned out to be riskier than ratings agencies and investors who bought mortgage-backed securities once thought. Investors tend to be more likely than borrowers who live in the homes to walk away from their purchases when home prices fall. &#8220;We couldn&#8217;t understand what was driving so many borrowers to default so early in the life of their mortgage,&#8221; said Glenn Costello, a managing director at Fitch.</p>
<p>Much of the occupancy fraud was concentrated in markets such as Florida, Nevada and Arizona, where prices were appreciating by double-digit percentages annually, said Kevin Kanouff, president of Denver-based Clayton Fixed-Income Services, a unit of Clayton Holdings Inc. that reviews about seven million loans a month on behalf of investors.</p>
<p>In Las Vegas, as many as 60% of the foreclosures last year involved non-owner-occupied homes, according to Applied Analysis, a real-estate-research firm. The Las Vegas firm compared the addresses of the borrowers with the locations of their homes. Where the addresses didn&#8217;t match likely indicated a speculator.</p>
<p>The temptation to lie can be substantial and may have been encouraged, or at least tolerated, by mortgage brokers and real-estate agents eager to close a home sale. Standards tend to be tougher for borrowers purchasing investment properties, since these loans are considered riskier.</p>
<p>Lenders typically allowed investors to finance no more than 90% of a home&#8217;s value, but if borrowers said they planned to live in the property, they could buy a home with no money down, even if they had scuffed credit and didn&#8217;t document their income, said Pete Ogilvie, a mortgage broker in Santa Cruz, Calif., and president of the California Association of Mortgage Brokers.<br />
[Graphic]</p>
<p>In the early years of the housing boom, demand for homes rose because of strong economic fundamentals and low interest rates, which made it more affordable for a large swath of Americans to buy homes. But as home prices began to soar, hordes of investors jumped in.</p>
<p>Once there was a whiff that prices could no longer rise, this speculative demand evaporated, sending prices falling in some markets. The housing boom would eventually have cooled, anyway, but investors amplified the boom and bust.</p>
<p>Rising defaults among speculators may complicate government efforts to assist home buyers. The Bush administration has said it wants to help only homeowners facing foreclosure, not speculators. But foreclosures of investor-owned properties can create ripple effects in neighborhoods, pushing down prices and making it tougher for people who live in those communities to refinance or sell their homes if they can&#8217;t make their mortgage payments.</p>
<p>Lenders and builders said they tried to weed out speculators during the boom. To discourage flipping, some builders put clauses into contracts stating that investors who resold their homes soon after they bought had to give up some of their profits.</p>
<p>&#8220;We had people at the end signing four-page documents, &#8216;I am not an investor. I am not an investor. I am not an investor,&#8217; &#8221; Robert Toll, chief executive of luxury builder Toll Brothers Inc., said at a UBS AG conference in 2006. And the person &#8220;turned out to be an investor, of course.&#8221;</p>
<p>While it is true that occupancy fraud can sometimes be difficult to detect, fraud experts said lenders and builders could have vetted their borrowers more closely. Pulling a borrower&#8217;s credit report, for instance, may reveal multiple mortgages. In other cases, appraisal reports will sometimes indicate that a tenant lives in the property, and Internet searches can also turn up indications that a borrower owns multiple homes.</p>
<p>&#8220;There&#8217;s a lot of telltale signs,&#8221; said Frank McKenna, chief fraud strategist for BasePoint, which develops computerized fraud-detection tools. But &#8220;the industry was very focused on volume,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>Write to Ruth Simon at <a href="mailto:ruth.simon@wsj.com">ruth.simon@wsj.com</a> and Michael Corkery at <a href="mailto:michael.corkery@wsj.com">michael.corkery@wsj.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Clotpoll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clotpoll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kurt (216)-

Yes, gubmint should&#039;ve played a role, but any chance of that died with the advent of Bush&#039;s &quot;ownership society&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kurt (216)-</p>
<p>Yes, gubmint should&#8217;ve played a role, but any chance of that died with the advent of Bush&#8217;s &#8220;ownership society&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: schabadoo</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2008/02/06/north-jersey-january-residential-sales/#comment-155270</link>
		<dc:creator>schabadoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It was determined that he committed suicide.&lt;/i&gt;

A non-answer a politician would envy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It was determined that he committed suicide.</i></p>
<p>A non-answer a politician would envy.</p>
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		<title>By: mikeinwaiting</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2008/02/06/north-jersey-january-residential-sales/#comment-155269</link>
		<dc:creator>mikeinwaiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CHI FI 223 Is that legal,I remember a story 
out of Texas guy got in trouble for takeing pesos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CHI FI 223 Is that legal,I remember a story<br />
out of Texas guy got in trouble for takeing pesos.</p>
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		<title>By: chicagofinance</title>
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		<dc:creator>chicagofinance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>doh!

http://www.cnbc.com/id/23031776</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>doh!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/23031776" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnbc.com/id/23031776</a></p>
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