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		<title>By: lostinny</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2009/01/14/january-beige-book/#comment-257460</link>
		<dc:creator>lostinny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>155 Chifi
Thanks!</description>
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Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: DL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of folks here were buying iodine when Chernobyl blew in 1986 and the wind blew the cloud over W. Europe. Two years ago I had lunch about 25 miles south of the reactor. The Ukrainians told us it was safe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of folks here were buying iodine when Chernobyl blew in 1986 and the wind blew the cloud over W. Europe. Two years ago I had lunch about 25 miles south of the reactor. The Ukrainians told us it was safe.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are things worse than death.
Just sayin&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are things worse than death.<br />
Just sayin&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: chicagofinance</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2009/01/14/january-beige-book/#comment-257454</link>
		<dc:creator>chicagofinance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>l: did you see this?
http://www.depechemode.com/news.html
They took the shot just down the street from the US Tennis Center....in my home town....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>l: did you see this?<br />
<a href="http://www.depechemode.com/news.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.depechemode.com/news.html</a><br />
They took the shot just down the street from the US Tennis Center&#8230;.in my home town&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: lisoosh</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Draft might do a world of good to the entitlement generation. Can&#039;t say I&#039;m against it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Draft might do a world of good to the entitlement generation. Can&#8217;t say I&#8217;m against it.</p>
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		<title>By: chicagofinance</title>
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		<dc:creator>chicagofinance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HEHEHE says: 
January 14, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Chi,
Very nice!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIL3fbGbU2o</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HEHEHE says:<br />
January 14, 2009 at 7:21 pm<br />
Chi,<br />
Very nice!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIL3fbGbU2o" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIL3fbGbU2o</a></p>
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		<title>By: Outofstater</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#147 Gee, Stu, that&#039;s better than a cup of hot cocoa and a bedtime story. Goodnight all. We can play more Armageddon tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#147 Gee, Stu, that&#8217;s better than a cup of hot cocoa and a bedtime story. Goodnight all. We can play more Armageddon tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Draft? Now that is Change!</description>
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		<title>By: PGC</title>
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		<dc:creator>PGC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hey, at least we’re not talking about cars.&quot;

I just put a nice set of Michellen X-ice Xi2 on Mrs PGC&#039;s miniva. 

Just in time for the snow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hey, at least we’re not talking about cars.&#8221;</p>
<p>I just put a nice set of Michellen X-ice Xi2 on Mrs PGC&#8217;s miniva. </p>
<p>Just in time for the snow.</p>
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		<title>By: PGC</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#142 Lisoosh

You sum it up perfectly. It&#039;s Huis Clos meets &quot;The Real World&quot;

You could call it &quot;Satre on steroids&quot;

&quot;Hell is other people.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#142 Lisoosh</p>
<p>You sum it up perfectly. It&#8217;s Huis Clos meets &#8220;The Real World&#8221;</p>
<p>You could call it &#8220;Satre on steroids&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Hell is other people.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: victorian</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben (146) -

http://ferfal.blogspot.com/</description>
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<p><a href="http://ferfal.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://ferfal.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stu</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bedtime with Roubini?

The Latest Bear Market Sucker’s Rally is Losing Its Steam as an Onslaught of Awful Macro and Earnings News Takes Its Toll

Nouriel Roubini &#124; Jan 14, 2009

I have been predicting for a while that the most recent bear market sucker’s rally would lose its steam and – like the previous bear market rallies in the last 18 months – US and global equities prices would head again towards new lows.

Let me now explain why…

As my work and the one of our research team at RGE Monitor predicts (we will publish later this week our 2009 Global Economic Outlook, a 75 page research piece for our clients and we recently published our US outlook) this will be the worst US recession in the last 50 years and the worst synchronized global recession in decades.

For a few weeks since late November equity markets ignored the onslaught of much worse than expected macro news (and all the new were really worse than awful) and had a nice 25% bear market sucker’s rally. But the drumbeat of terrible – and worse than expected - macro news and earnings news and financial news has finally taken a toll on the delusional market belief that the worst was over for financial markets and for equity markets and that the US and global economy would recover in the second half of 2009. So equity prices have already reversed more than half of their most recent bear market rally as the lousy macro news have finally shocked in the last week the wishful thinkers.

Indeed, the retail sales figures published today confirmed a shopped-out, saving-less and debt-burdened US consumer is now faltering as job losses, income losses, fall in home wealth, fall in equity wealth, high and rising debt and debt servicing ratios and a severe credit crunch take a severe toll on the ability of consumers to spend. And reduction in spending and deleveraging of the US consumer will take years to rebuild the savings rate of a household sector now hit by a severe shock to its net worth (as equity and home values fall while debts have been rising) and shocked in its ability to generate income as job losses mount and the unemployment rate surges.

Our research at RGE Monitor suggests that the US and global recession will continue at least all the way until Q4 of 2009 (a nasty 24 months U-shaped recession) and that the recovery in 2010-11 will be very weak with growth in the 1% range that is well below a potential of 2.75%. And we cannot rule out that a more severe L-shaped stag-deflation (as in Japan in the 1990s) will take hold. Indeed, as I argued recently:

While the odds of a systemic financial meltdown have been reduced by the actions of the Group of Seven and other economies, severe vulnerabilities remain.

The credit crunch will persist and spread beyond mortgages. Deleveraging will continue, as thousands of hedge funds -- many of which will go bust -- and other leveraged players are forced to sell assets into illiquid and distressed markets, thus causing price declines and driving more insolvent financial institutions out of business. Credit losses will mount as the recession deepens. And a few emerging-market economies will certainly enter a full-blown financial crisis.

So 2009 will be a painful year of global recession and further financial stresses, losses and bankruptcies. Currently, the probability of an L-shaped, stag-deflation is now rising to a third, while the probability of a severe U-shaped recession is two-thirds. Only aggressive, coordinated and effective policy actions by advanced and emerging-market countries can ensure that the global economy starts to recover -- however slowly --in 2010, rather than entering a more protracted period of economic stagnation.

So while our benchmark scenarios sees a severe U-shaped global recession with very weak growth recovery in 2010 we cannot exclude the possibility of a worse outcome, i.e. an L-shaped recession that – in our view – has at least a one third probability. So the worst is ahead of us rather than behind us for the real economy and for financial markets. With my forecast of 2009 earnings per share for S&amp;P500 firms being in the 50 to 60 dollars range and with P/E ratio likely to be in the 10 to 12 range given a severe global recession the S&amp;P500 could bottom – at some point in 2009 – at best at a level of 720 and, in a worse scenario, as low as 500 or 600. So, the worst is indeed still ahead of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bedtime with Roubini?</p>
<p>The Latest Bear Market Sucker’s Rally is Losing Its Steam as an Onslaught of Awful Macro and Earnings News Takes Its Toll</p>
<p>Nouriel Roubini | Jan 14, 2009</p>
<p>I have been predicting for a while that the most recent bear market sucker’s rally would lose its steam and – like the previous bear market rallies in the last 18 months – US and global equities prices would head again towards new lows.</p>
<p>Let me now explain why…</p>
<p>As my work and the one of our research team at RGE Monitor predicts (we will publish later this week our 2009 Global Economic Outlook, a 75 page research piece for our clients and we recently published our US outlook) this will be the worst US recession in the last 50 years and the worst synchronized global recession in decades.</p>
<p>For a few weeks since late November equity markets ignored the onslaught of much worse than expected macro news (and all the new were really worse than awful) and had a nice 25% bear market sucker’s rally. But the drumbeat of terrible – and worse than expected &#8211; macro news and earnings news and financial news has finally taken a toll on the delusional market belief that the worst was over for financial markets and for equity markets and that the US and global economy would recover in the second half of 2009. So equity prices have already reversed more than half of their most recent bear market rally as the lousy macro news have finally shocked in the last week the wishful thinkers.</p>
<p>Indeed, the retail sales figures published today confirmed a shopped-out, saving-less and debt-burdened US consumer is now faltering as job losses, income losses, fall in home wealth, fall in equity wealth, high and rising debt and debt servicing ratios and a severe credit crunch take a severe toll on the ability of consumers to spend. And reduction in spending and deleveraging of the US consumer will take years to rebuild the savings rate of a household sector now hit by a severe shock to its net worth (as equity and home values fall while debts have been rising) and shocked in its ability to generate income as job losses mount and the unemployment rate surges.</p>
<p>Our research at RGE Monitor suggests that the US and global recession will continue at least all the way until Q4 of 2009 (a nasty 24 months U-shaped recession) and that the recovery in 2010-11 will be very weak with growth in the 1% range that is well below a potential of 2.75%. And we cannot rule out that a more severe L-shaped stag-deflation (as in Japan in the 1990s) will take hold. Indeed, as I argued recently:</p>
<p>While the odds of a systemic financial meltdown have been reduced by the actions of the Group of Seven and other economies, severe vulnerabilities remain.</p>
<p>The credit crunch will persist and spread beyond mortgages. Deleveraging will continue, as thousands of hedge funds &#8212; many of which will go bust &#8212; and other leveraged players are forced to sell assets into illiquid and distressed markets, thus causing price declines and driving more insolvent financial institutions out of business. Credit losses will mount as the recession deepens. And a few emerging-market economies will certainly enter a full-blown financial crisis.</p>
<p>So 2009 will be a painful year of global recession and further financial stresses, losses and bankruptcies. Currently, the probability of an L-shaped, stag-deflation is now rising to a third, while the probability of a severe U-shaped recession is two-thirds. Only aggressive, coordinated and effective policy actions by advanced and emerging-market countries can ensure that the global economy starts to recover &#8212; however slowly &#8211;in 2010, rather than entering a more protracted period of economic stagnation.</p>
<p>So while our benchmark scenarios sees a severe U-shaped global recession with very weak growth recovery in 2010 we cannot exclude the possibility of a worse outcome, i.e. an L-shaped recession that – in our view – has at least a one third probability. So the worst is ahead of us rather than behind us for the real economy and for financial markets. With my forecast of 2009 earnings per share for S&amp;P500 firms being in the 50 to 60 dollars range and with P/E ratio likely to be in the 10 to 12 range given a severe global recession the S&amp;P500 could bottom – at some point in 2009 – at best at a level of 720 and, in a worse scenario, as low as 500 or 600. So, the worst is indeed still ahead of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forget where the site is but some guy from Argentina basically described everything he did and he wished had done prior during Argentina&#039;s hyper inflationary collapse where the shtf.

From what I remember, he wished he had stocked up on food.  He said having chickens in the yard are great because they just keep laying eggs.  He recommended certain guns to protect yourself.  He wished he had bought a bunch of gold jewelry to trade.  He said that a good video game or movie collection is very important because you do have to still have some sort of entertainment or enjoyment.  He also recommending getting good guard and watch dogs.  He said a lot of people would have Beagles because they would sound the alarm if any stranger was within 50 ft. of the house. Oh yeah, and don&#039;t count on the police to protect you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forget where the site is but some guy from Argentina basically described everything he did and he wished had done prior during Argentina&#8217;s hyper inflationary collapse where the shtf.</p>
<p>From what I remember, he wished he had stocked up on food.  He said having chickens in the yard are great because they just keep laying eggs.  He recommended certain guns to protect yourself.  He wished he had bought a bunch of gold jewelry to trade.  He said that a good video game or movie collection is very important because you do have to still have some sort of entertainment or enjoyment.  He also recommending getting good guard and watch dogs.  He said a lot of people would have Beagles because they would sound the alarm if any stranger was within 50 ft. of the house. Oh yeah, and don&#8217;t count on the police to protect you.</p>
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		<title>By: yikes</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Stu says:
January 14, 2009 at 10:26 pm
What the heck happens here at night. The blog seems to turn into Thunderdome. Although I’m shorting the cr*p out of China and commercial RE, I really don’t think we will get to the point of detonating Delaware River crossings.&lt;/I&gt;

yeah, we&#039;d be much better off if Frank and Bi came back so we could kick those clowns around. This Jamil guy is grating; i read in the paper Pretorious moved to Ohio and is an actuary.  

Hey, at least we&#039;re not talking about cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Stu says:<br />
January 14, 2009 at 10:26 pm<br />
What the heck happens here at night. The blog seems to turn into Thunderdome. Although I’m shorting the cr*p out of China and commercial RE, I really don’t think we will get to the point of detonating Delaware River crossings.</i></p>
<p>yeah, we&#8217;d be much better off if Frank and Bi came back so we could kick those clowns around. This Jamil guy is grating; i read in the paper Pretorious moved to Ohio and is an actuary.  </p>
<p>Hey, at least we&#8217;re not talking about cars.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Sounds like a bad screenplay.&quot;

Sounds like a great screenplay!</description>
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<p>Sounds like a great screenplay!</p>
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