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		<title>By: Firestormik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Firestormik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 05:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE:skep-tic
&quot;The gov’t hasn’t even really taken the opportunity to properly acknowledge the problem and try to build/encourage an alternative system– they just want to re-start the machine. But my point is that I think they have succeeded in delaying the all out collapse that we were on the verge of last fall.&quot;
Are you kidding? Re-start consumer debt machine with 8.9 unemployment. It&#039;s not going to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:skep-tic<br />
&#8220;The gov’t hasn’t even really taken the opportunity to properly acknowledge the problem and try to build/encourage an alternative system– they just want to re-start the machine. But my point is that I think they have succeeded in delaying the all out collapse that we were on the verge of last fall.&#8221;<br />
Are you kidding? Re-start consumer debt machine with 8.9 unemployment. It&#8217;s not going to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 04:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard the real estate agent: 

I&#039;m proud of you for spelling &#039;loose&#039; correctly.  Loosen credit?  Naw.  My kid&#039;s paying enough for this garbage already.   No more losers should be given any more of her money.  I want every penny of her money back from GMAC.  Ally.  Should be pronounced like alley...the place behind your shack where you dump your garbage.

She just learned how to add up her piggy bank money correctly.  She still needs $300 bucks for the Wii she wants with all the trimmings.   She&#039;s earned every penny herself.  Yard sales.   Lemonade.  Chores.   

Should&#039;ve   ..I&#039;ll give you that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard the real estate agent: </p>
<p>I&#8217;m proud of you for spelling &#8216;loose&#8217; correctly.  Loosen credit?  Naw.  My kid&#8217;s paying enough for this garbage already.   No more losers should be given any more of her money.  I want every penny of her money back from GMAC.  Ally.  Should be pronounced like alley&#8230;the place behind your shack where you dump your garbage.</p>
<p>She just learned how to add up her piggy bank money correctly.  She still needs $300 bucks for the Wii she wants with all the trimmings.   She&#8217;s earned every penny herself.  Yard sales.   Lemonade.  Chores.   </p>
<p>Should&#8217;ve   ..I&#8217;ll give you that one.</p>
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		<title>By: chicagofinance</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 03:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really long article in tomorrow&#039;s Journal....

WSJ 5/22/09
Recession Turns Malls Into Ghost Towns 

By KRIS HUDSON and VANESSA O&#039;CONNELL 
CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Malls, those ubiquitous shopping meccas that sprang up in the 1950s, are dwindling in number, with many struggling properties reduced to largely vacant shells.

On the low-income east side of Charlotte, N.C., the 1.1-million-square-foot Eastland Mall recently lost a slew of key tenants, including a Dillard&#039;s and, next month, a Sears. Sales per square foot at the venue fell to $210 in 2008 from $288 in 2001.

The Metcalf South Shopping Center in Overland Park, Kan., is languishing after plans to redevelop it into an open-air shopping district fizzled. The stretch of shops that connects the two largest tenants -- a Sears and a Macy&#039;s -- stands mostly vacant, patrolled by security guards.

With their maze of walkways and fast-food courts, malls have long been an iconic, if sometimes unsightly, presence in the American retail landscape. A few were made famous by their sheer size, others for the range of shopping and social diversions they provided.

But the long recession is helping to empty out the promenades. Some analysts estimate that the number of so-called &quot;dead malls&quot; -- centers debilitated by anemic sales and high vacancy rates -- will swell to more than 100 by the end of this year.

In the 12 months ended March 31, U.S. malls collectively posted a 6.5% decline in tenants&#039; same-store sales, according to Green Street Advisors Inc., a real-estate research firm. The recent slump was led by an average 7.3% sales drop at Simon Property Group Inc., the operator with the largest number of mall locations.

The industry&#039;s woes are worsening. Thinning customer traffic, and subsequent hits to tenants&#039; sales and profits, prompted Standard &amp; Poor&#039;s Corp. last month to lower the credit ratings of the department-store sector. That knocked Macy&#039;s Inc. and J.C. Penney Co. into junk territory and pushed others deeper into junk. Sears Holdings Corp., a cornerstone tenant at many malls, is expected to close 23 stores this month and next.

General Growth Properties, which owns more than 200 U.S. malls, filed for bankruptcy protection April 16, due mainly to its failure to refinance billions of dollars of debt coming due. While the real-estate investment trust has said the filing will have no impact on its mall business, analysts say a prolonged bankruptcy proceeding could make retailers nervous about sticking around once their leases expire.

The severity of the recession is turning some malls that were once viewed as viable into potential casualties. &quot;Any mall that&#039;s sitting on life support is probably going to get its plug pulled&quot; as the economy stalls, says Michael Glimcher, chairman and CEO of Glimcher Realty Trust, which owns 23 U.S. properties, including Eastland Mall in Charlotte.
 
Look back at the American mall&#039;s rise to prominence and recent woes.
One industry rule of thumb holds that any large, enclosed mall generating sales per square foot of $250 or less -- the U.S. average is $381 -- is in danger of failure. By that measure, Eastland is one of 84 dead malls in a 1,032-mall database compiled by Green Street. (The database focuses heavily on malls owned by publicly traded landlords and doesn&#039;t account for several dozen failing malls in private hands.) If retail sales continue to decline at current rates, the dead-mall roster could exceed 100 properties by the end of this year, according to Green Street. That&#039;s up from an estimated 40 failing malls in 2006, before the recession began.

&quot;This time around, because of the dramatic changes in consumer spending practices, we&#039;re very likely to see more malls in the death spiral than we&#039;ve ever seen before,&quot; says Green Street analyst Jim Sullivan.

Failing malls didn&#039;t get into trouble overnight, and most began their descent long before the tough climate. Typically, a mall begins to suffer due to job losses and other pressures in the surrounding neighborhood or because a newer mall opens nearby. The loss of key tenants -- such as the wave of department-store closures over the past three years -- hastens the demise. Also sapping malls&#039; vibrancy: the increased preference among consumers for big-box stores, such as Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and Target Corp., which rarely operate in malls.

Developers, in fact, have been moving away from the enclosed-mall format in favor of big-box centers anchored by free-standing giants such as Wal-Mart or open-air shopping centers with tiny parks and outdoor cafes sprinkled among fashion stores. Only one enclosed mall has opened in the U.S. since 2006: The Mall at Turtle Creek in Jonesboro, Ark.

These pressures, coupled with landlords&#039; difficulties refinancing debts in the bone-dry capital markets, signal tough years ahead for retail-property owners -- even after consumer spending begins to rebound. &quot;The shopping-center bankruptcies and the REIT bankruptcies are the ticking time bomb that people aren&#039;t talking about,&quot; says Burt P. Flickinger III, managing director of Strategic Resource Group, a research firm.

Four months ago, executives at J.C. Penney headquarters in Plano, Texas, called a &quot;triage&quot; meeting to discuss a recent study of the financial condition and health of the 550 malls housing Penney stores. The study&#039;s conclusion: 15 of its stores are located in malls at risk of failure.

&quot;We started to see things heading south,&quot; says Penney CEO Myron &quot;Mike&quot; Ullman III. It was important, he notes, to &quot;get ahead of this&quot; mall problem by reviewing Penney&#039;s new store strategy to determine whether it might relocate existing mall stores. Over the past 18 months, Penney&#039;s weekly sales have been trending better at stand-alone stores that aren&#039;t attached to traditional malls.

Shoppers watched ice skaters on the central ice rink of Eastland Mall when the Charlotte mall opened in 1975. The ice rink closed last year, along with several of Eastland&#039;s stores.
Hundreds of other anchor stores -- generally two- and three-story department stores that drive mall momentum -- are pulling out of properties. Several anchor chains, including Gottschalks Inc., Goody&#039;s Family Clothing Inc. and Boscov&#039;s Department Store LLC, filed for bankruptcy protection in recent months. Goody&#039;s ended up liquidating its 282 stores, as Gottschalks is now doing with its 58. Boscov&#039;s closed 10 locations. As mall-based chains face the prospect of a much smaller market, more closures are likely. So far for 2009, monthly sales declines at upscale retailers such as Saks Inc., Nordstrom Inc. and Neiman Marcus Group have registered mostly in the double digits, compared with results a year ago.

Saks CEO Stephen Sadove is talking with mall owners about closing a few of the retailer&#039;s 53 Saks Fifth Avenue stores. &quot;You have to ask yourself: Do you believe the prospects for a given store or mall are going to be positive? Can you make money over the long term?&quot; he says.

For towns and cities that are home to dying malls, the fallout can be devastating. Malls hire hundreds of workers and are significant contributors to the local tax base. In suburbs and small towns, malls often are the only major public spaces and the safest venues for teenagers to shop, hang out and seek part-time work.

Commonly, &quot;the mall will be a meeting place, or, in some cases, like a city center,&quot; says Carl Steidtmann, chief economist at Deloitte LLP. The deterioration of a mall can spawn broader problems, he notes. &quot;It can become a crime magnet.&quot;

The gradual fade-out of marginal malls has prompted a thriving Web culture dedicated to sharing information about dead or dying properties. Sites such as Flickr.com, Deadmalls.com and Labelscar.com are drawing traffic from mall employees, shoppers and other mall mourners who swap stories, photos and predictions about the status of centers on their way out.

 &quot;So sad!&quot; wrote Edith Schilla, 45 years old, of Independence, Ohio, in an April 3 posting on Labelscar.com following her visit to a Sears liquidation sale at the Randall Park Mall in North Randall, Ohio. &quot;I was able to peek into the mall and was so overtaken by the vast emptiness,&quot; she wrote, recalling it as previously &quot;so busy.&quot;

After the Sears closes next month, Randall Park will be left with only a few remaining tenants, including an Ohio Technical College automotive school. It currently has the most popular page on Labelscar.com, which so far this year has a 25% increase in postings on its &quot;dead malls&quot; category. Mall owner Whichard Real Estate LLC is trying to sell the property, which likely needs to be torn down and rebuilt into something else, says Whichard asset manager Kenneth Whichard. Local officials, meanwhile, want to fill the mall with education and industrial tenants.

During past economic cycles, dead malls were frequently redeveloped into mixed-use space that includes apartments, offices or parks. Repurposing mall space today will be more difficult. Lenders and investors are moving away from commercial real estate as property values decline and delinquencies rise on debt used to acquire or develop properties. Retail real estate has been hit especially hard, as declining retail sales and store closures hammer mall landlords.

In Charlotte, Eastland&#039;s deterioration into a dead mall matches the fate of many others across the U.S.

Faison Enterprises Inc. opened Eastland in 1975 as the city&#039;s second regional mall. Shoppers crowded four-deep around its skating rink to see local dignitaries kneel gingerly on the ice as a Presbyterian minister blessed the structure with prayers. In the early years, shoppers flocked to the mall&#039;s Miller &amp; Rhoads and Ivey&#039;s department stores, among others.

&quot;It was just a great place to go and be seen,&quot; said Mary Kate Cline, a 51-year-old who frequented the mall in its early years but can&#039;t recall the last time she entered it.

Eastland&#039;s reign lasted roughly two decades. Its market began to erode when the area around Eastland fostered low-income housing. Meanwhile, the Charlotte area&#039;s more affluent residents and new arrivals gravitated to suburbs on the city&#039;s north and south ends. Developers built and renovated malls in those suburbs, drawing shoppers away from Eastland. In recent years, discount stores such as Wal-Mart and midtier Kohl&#039;s Corp. sprung up near Eastland, siphoning off more of its shoppers.

A string of major store exits at Eastland began with Penney&#039;s departure in 2002. Belk Inc. closed in 2007, along with several national specialty stores. The closures gained momentum amid the recession last year, when stores including New York &amp; Co., Genesco Inc.&#039;s Journeys, Finish Line Inc. and Dillard&#039;s Inc. pulled out, leaving behind empty, gated storefronts.

A handful of retail holdouts -- stores for Footlocker Inc., Burlington Coat Factory Inc. and several local merchants, many paying reduced rents -- are reluctant to leave, even as sales dwindle. &quot;I&#039;ve made my business here,&quot; Luz Pavas said, while manning her kiosk of health and beauty aids. &quot;I don&#039;t want to move to another mall. I want Eastland Mall to be like it was eight years ago.&quot;

Boarded-up stores near the mall languish as reminders of departed retailers, including Mega Food Market, Uptons department store and Harris Teeter Inc. Neighbors and community leaders want Eastland razed and replaced with developments such as upscale housing to attract a new demographic.

But the mall&#039;s current owner, Glimcher Realty Trust, the Columbus, Ohio-based owner of 23 malls, is keen to sell Eastland rather than spend the hefty sums needed to redevelop it. A better investment, says the company, &quot;would be to put money into assets that were doing well,&quot; according to Glimcher spokeswoman Lisa Indest.

Charlotte city officials have lined up resources to help reinvent the mall, including $20 million in public financing. They acknowledge that finding a developer willing to underwrite the additional $180 million needed to turn Eastland into a mix of housing, shops and parks will be tough.

&quot;No one&#039;s kidding themselves that this is an easy real estate deal,&quot; says Charlotte City Councilman John Lassiter. &quot;It wasn&#039;t easy when the market was good. Now it&#039;s much harder.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really long article in tomorrow&#8217;s Journal&#8230;.</p>
<p>WSJ 5/22/09<br />
Recession Turns Malls Into Ghost Towns </p>
<p>By KRIS HUDSON and VANESSA O&#8217;CONNELL<br />
CHARLOTTE, N.C. &#8212; Malls, those ubiquitous shopping meccas that sprang up in the 1950s, are dwindling in number, with many struggling properties reduced to largely vacant shells.</p>
<p>On the low-income east side of Charlotte, N.C., the 1.1-million-square-foot Eastland Mall recently lost a slew of key tenants, including a Dillard&#8217;s and, next month, a Sears. Sales per square foot at the venue fell to $210 in 2008 from $288 in 2001.</p>
<p>The Metcalf South Shopping Center in Overland Park, Kan., is languishing after plans to redevelop it into an open-air shopping district fizzled. The stretch of shops that connects the two largest tenants &#8212; a Sears and a Macy&#8217;s &#8212; stands mostly vacant, patrolled by security guards.</p>
<p>With their maze of walkways and fast-food courts, malls have long been an iconic, if sometimes unsightly, presence in the American retail landscape. A few were made famous by their sheer size, others for the range of shopping and social diversions they provided.</p>
<p>But the long recession is helping to empty out the promenades. Some analysts estimate that the number of so-called &#8220;dead malls&#8221; &#8212; centers debilitated by anemic sales and high vacancy rates &#8212; will swell to more than 100 by the end of this year.</p>
<p>In the 12 months ended March 31, U.S. malls collectively posted a 6.5% decline in tenants&#8217; same-store sales, according to Green Street Advisors Inc., a real-estate research firm. The recent slump was led by an average 7.3% sales drop at Simon Property Group Inc., the operator with the largest number of mall locations.</p>
<p>The industry&#8217;s woes are worsening. Thinning customer traffic, and subsequent hits to tenants&#8217; sales and profits, prompted Standard &amp; Poor&#8217;s Corp. last month to lower the credit ratings of the department-store sector. That knocked Macy&#8217;s Inc. and J.C. Penney Co. into junk territory and pushed others deeper into junk. Sears Holdings Corp., a cornerstone tenant at many malls, is expected to close 23 stores this month and next.</p>
<p>General Growth Properties, which owns more than 200 U.S. malls, filed for bankruptcy protection April 16, due mainly to its failure to refinance billions of dollars of debt coming due. While the real-estate investment trust has said the filing will have no impact on its mall business, analysts say a prolonged bankruptcy proceeding could make retailers nervous about sticking around once their leases expire.</p>
<p>The severity of the recession is turning some malls that were once viewed as viable into potential casualties. &#8220;Any mall that&#8217;s sitting on life support is probably going to get its plug pulled&#8221; as the economy stalls, says Michael Glimcher, chairman and CEO of Glimcher Realty Trust, which owns 23 U.S. properties, including Eastland Mall in Charlotte.</p>
<p>Look back at the American mall&#8217;s rise to prominence and recent woes.<br />
One industry rule of thumb holds that any large, enclosed mall generating sales per square foot of $250 or less &#8212; the U.S. average is $381 &#8212; is in danger of failure. By that measure, Eastland is one of 84 dead malls in a 1,032-mall database compiled by Green Street. (The database focuses heavily on malls owned by publicly traded landlords and doesn&#8217;t account for several dozen failing malls in private hands.) If retail sales continue to decline at current rates, the dead-mall roster could exceed 100 properties by the end of this year, according to Green Street. That&#8217;s up from an estimated 40 failing malls in 2006, before the recession began.</p>
<p>&#8220;This time around, because of the dramatic changes in consumer spending practices, we&#8217;re very likely to see more malls in the death spiral than we&#8217;ve ever seen before,&#8221; says Green Street analyst Jim Sullivan.</p>
<p>Failing malls didn&#8217;t get into trouble overnight, and most began their descent long before the tough climate. Typically, a mall begins to suffer due to job losses and other pressures in the surrounding neighborhood or because a newer mall opens nearby. The loss of key tenants &#8212; such as the wave of department-store closures over the past three years &#8212; hastens the demise. Also sapping malls&#8217; vibrancy: the increased preference among consumers for big-box stores, such as Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and Target Corp., which rarely operate in malls.</p>
<p>Developers, in fact, have been moving away from the enclosed-mall format in favor of big-box centers anchored by free-standing giants such as Wal-Mart or open-air shopping centers with tiny parks and outdoor cafes sprinkled among fashion stores. Only one enclosed mall has opened in the U.S. since 2006: The Mall at Turtle Creek in Jonesboro, Ark.</p>
<p>These pressures, coupled with landlords&#8217; difficulties refinancing debts in the bone-dry capital markets, signal tough years ahead for retail-property owners &#8212; even after consumer spending begins to rebound. &#8220;The shopping-center bankruptcies and the REIT bankruptcies are the ticking time bomb that people aren&#8217;t talking about,&#8221; says Burt P. Flickinger III, managing director of Strategic Resource Group, a research firm.</p>
<p>Four months ago, executives at J.C. Penney headquarters in Plano, Texas, called a &#8220;triage&#8221; meeting to discuss a recent study of the financial condition and health of the 550 malls housing Penney stores. The study&#8217;s conclusion: 15 of its stores are located in malls at risk of failure.</p>
<p>&#8220;We started to see things heading south,&#8221; says Penney CEO Myron &#8220;Mike&#8221; Ullman III. It was important, he notes, to &#8220;get ahead of this&#8221; mall problem by reviewing Penney&#8217;s new store strategy to determine whether it might relocate existing mall stores. Over the past 18 months, Penney&#8217;s weekly sales have been trending better at stand-alone stores that aren&#8217;t attached to traditional malls.</p>
<p>Shoppers watched ice skaters on the central ice rink of Eastland Mall when the Charlotte mall opened in 1975. The ice rink closed last year, along with several of Eastland&#8217;s stores.<br />
Hundreds of other anchor stores &#8212; generally two- and three-story department stores that drive mall momentum &#8212; are pulling out of properties. Several anchor chains, including Gottschalks Inc., Goody&#8217;s Family Clothing Inc. and Boscov&#8217;s Department Store LLC, filed for bankruptcy protection in recent months. Goody&#8217;s ended up liquidating its 282 stores, as Gottschalks is now doing with its 58. Boscov&#8217;s closed 10 locations. As mall-based chains face the prospect of a much smaller market, more closures are likely. So far for 2009, monthly sales declines at upscale retailers such as Saks Inc., Nordstrom Inc. and Neiman Marcus Group have registered mostly in the double digits, compared with results a year ago.</p>
<p>Saks CEO Stephen Sadove is talking with mall owners about closing a few of the retailer&#8217;s 53 Saks Fifth Avenue stores. &#8220;You have to ask yourself: Do you believe the prospects for a given store or mall are going to be positive? Can you make money over the long term?&#8221; he says.</p>
<p>For towns and cities that are home to dying malls, the fallout can be devastating. Malls hire hundreds of workers and are significant contributors to the local tax base. In suburbs and small towns, malls often are the only major public spaces and the safest venues for teenagers to shop, hang out and seek part-time work.</p>
<p>Commonly, &#8220;the mall will be a meeting place, or, in some cases, like a city center,&#8221; says Carl Steidtmann, chief economist at Deloitte LLP. The deterioration of a mall can spawn broader problems, he notes. &#8220;It can become a crime magnet.&#8221;</p>
<p>The gradual fade-out of marginal malls has prompted a thriving Web culture dedicated to sharing information about dead or dying properties. Sites such as Flickr.com, Deadmalls.com and Labelscar.com are drawing traffic from mall employees, shoppers and other mall mourners who swap stories, photos and predictions about the status of centers on their way out.</p>
<p> &#8220;So sad!&#8221; wrote Edith Schilla, 45 years old, of Independence, Ohio, in an April 3 posting on Labelscar.com following her visit to a Sears liquidation sale at the Randall Park Mall in North Randall, Ohio. &#8220;I was able to peek into the mall and was so overtaken by the vast emptiness,&#8221; she wrote, recalling it as previously &#8220;so busy.&#8221;</p>
<p>After the Sears closes next month, Randall Park will be left with only a few remaining tenants, including an Ohio Technical College automotive school. It currently has the most popular page on Labelscar.com, which so far this year has a 25% increase in postings on its &#8220;dead malls&#8221; category. Mall owner Whichard Real Estate LLC is trying to sell the property, which likely needs to be torn down and rebuilt into something else, says Whichard asset manager Kenneth Whichard. Local officials, meanwhile, want to fill the mall with education and industrial tenants.</p>
<p>During past economic cycles, dead malls were frequently redeveloped into mixed-use space that includes apartments, offices or parks. Repurposing mall space today will be more difficult. Lenders and investors are moving away from commercial real estate as property values decline and delinquencies rise on debt used to acquire or develop properties. Retail real estate has been hit especially hard, as declining retail sales and store closures hammer mall landlords.</p>
<p>In Charlotte, Eastland&#8217;s deterioration into a dead mall matches the fate of many others across the U.S.</p>
<p>Faison Enterprises Inc. opened Eastland in 1975 as the city&#8217;s second regional mall. Shoppers crowded four-deep around its skating rink to see local dignitaries kneel gingerly on the ice as a Presbyterian minister blessed the structure with prayers. In the early years, shoppers flocked to the mall&#8217;s Miller &amp; Rhoads and Ivey&#8217;s department stores, among others.</p>
<p>&#8220;It was just a great place to go and be seen,&#8221; said Mary Kate Cline, a 51-year-old who frequented the mall in its early years but can&#8217;t recall the last time she entered it.</p>
<p>Eastland&#8217;s reign lasted roughly two decades. Its market began to erode when the area around Eastland fostered low-income housing. Meanwhile, the Charlotte area&#8217;s more affluent residents and new arrivals gravitated to suburbs on the city&#8217;s north and south ends. Developers built and renovated malls in those suburbs, drawing shoppers away from Eastland. In recent years, discount stores such as Wal-Mart and midtier Kohl&#8217;s Corp. sprung up near Eastland, siphoning off more of its shoppers.</p>
<p>A string of major store exits at Eastland began with Penney&#8217;s departure in 2002. Belk Inc. closed in 2007, along with several national specialty stores. The closures gained momentum amid the recession last year, when stores including New York &amp; Co., Genesco Inc.&#8217;s Journeys, Finish Line Inc. and Dillard&#8217;s Inc. pulled out, leaving behind empty, gated storefronts.</p>
<p>A handful of retail holdouts &#8212; stores for Footlocker Inc., Burlington Coat Factory Inc. and several local merchants, many paying reduced rents &#8212; are reluctant to leave, even as sales dwindle. &#8220;I&#8217;ve made my business here,&#8221; Luz Pavas said, while manning her kiosk of health and beauty aids. &#8220;I don&#8217;t want to move to another mall. I want Eastland Mall to be like it was eight years ago.&#8221;</p>
<p>Boarded-up stores near the mall languish as reminders of departed retailers, including Mega Food Market, Uptons department store and Harris Teeter Inc. Neighbors and community leaders want Eastland razed and replaced with developments such as upscale housing to attract a new demographic.</p>
<p>But the mall&#8217;s current owner, Glimcher Realty Trust, the Columbus, Ohio-based owner of 23 malls, is keen to sell Eastland rather than spend the hefty sums needed to redevelop it. A better investment, says the company, &#8220;would be to put money into assets that were doing well,&#8221; according to Glimcher spokeswoman Lisa Indest.</p>
<p>Charlotte city officials have lined up resources to help reinvent the mall, including $20 million in public financing. They acknowledge that finding a developer willing to underwrite the additional $180 million needed to turn Eastland into a mix of housing, shops and parks will be tough.</p>
<p>&#8220;No one&#8217;s kidding themselves that this is an easy real estate deal,&#8221; says Charlotte City Councilman John Lassiter. &#8220;It wasn&#8217;t easy when the market was good. Now it&#8217;s much harder.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Stabile Bergen County Real Estate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Stabile Bergen County Real Estate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 03:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that if they stay aggressive and congress and the President don&#039;t spend the money on non productive political paybacks, we have a chance of getting out of this. A &quot;W&quot; bottom will be devastating! If we fall back again unemployment goes into the mid-teens. It will surely be a depression. As you look back at history, depression was either every 30 or 60 years. We have been lucky. This time we need a lot of help due to the severe overvaluation of our assets, which have deflated first in the Nasdaq and now in Real Estate. 
This credit crunch has big set backs. How do we replace securitization? Lenders are still very tight on giving money. Maybe they really don&#039;t want to lend and keep their balance sheets propped up. Either way the economy is still tight on credit standards. At this point the standards should be loosened due to lower prices. Unfortunately the standards were loose at rising prices, reverse of what any prudent person would do. When prices were high they should of tightened standards, as they went up and it would of tempered the rise. This would have averted a great fall. Now the cow is out of the barn and senior lenders have closed the door. Maybe if they open the door the cow will go back in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that if they stay aggressive and congress and the President don&#8217;t spend the money on non productive political paybacks, we have a chance of getting out of this. A &#8220;W&#8221; bottom will be devastating! If we fall back again unemployment goes into the mid-teens. It will surely be a depression. As you look back at history, depression was either every 30 or 60 years. We have been lucky. This time we need a lot of help due to the severe overvaluation of our assets, which have deflated first in the Nasdaq and now in Real Estate.<br />
This credit crunch has big set backs. How do we replace securitization? Lenders are still very tight on giving money. Maybe they really don&#8217;t want to lend and keep their balance sheets propped up. Either way the economy is still tight on credit standards. At this point the standards should be loosened due to lower prices. Unfortunately the standards were loose at rising prices, reverse of what any prudent person would do. When prices were high they should of tightened standards, as they went up and it would of tempered the rise. This would have averted a great fall. Now the cow is out of the barn and senior lenders have closed the door. Maybe if they open the door the cow will go back in.</p>
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		<title>By: skep-tic</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2009/05/21/fed-green-shoots-not-convincing/#comment-299416</link>
		<dc:creator>skep-tic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 03:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can tell you that credit was not really available for non-investment grade companies until recently.  I&#039;m sure others on here know a lot more about this than me, but this is a big difference.  again, how long this last, who knows</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can tell you that credit was not really available for non-investment grade companies until recently.  I&#8217;m sure others on here know a lot more about this than me, but this is a big difference.  again, how long this last, who knows</p>
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		<title>By: skep-tic</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2009/05/21/fed-green-shoots-not-convincing/#comment-299414</link>
		<dc:creator>skep-tic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 03:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BC and others-- I agree that the long term situation is just as bad as it ever was.  Nothing really has been accomplished with the bailouts other than delaying the inevitable.  The gov&#039;t hasn&#039;t even really taken the opportunity to properly acknowledge the problem and try to build/encourage an alternative system-- they just want to re-start the machine.  But my point is that I think they have succeeded in delaying the all out collapse that we were on the verge of last fall.  You have to admit there is a big difference between then and now.  How long they can maintain this is anybody&#039;s guess, but we have relative stability now given how much sh*t is in the system.  That is somewhat amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BC and others&#8211; I agree that the long term situation is just as bad as it ever was.  Nothing really has been accomplished with the bailouts other than delaying the inevitable.  The gov&#8217;t hasn&#8217;t even really taken the opportunity to properly acknowledge the problem and try to build/encourage an alternative system&#8211; they just want to re-start the machine.  But my point is that I think they have succeeded in delaying the all out collapse that we were on the verge of last fall.  You have to admit there is a big difference between then and now.  How long they can maintain this is anybody&#8217;s guess, but we have relative stability now given how much sh*t is in the system.  That is somewhat amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: Firestormik</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2009/05/21/fed-green-shoots-not-convincing/#comment-299413</link>
		<dc:creator>Firestormik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 03:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>skep-tic:
was in a hurry, my full version should be:

Credit has ALWAYS been available for good companies. We are still in a deep poop-hole, just sinking slower. It&#039;s true that the current layer of poop stinks a little bit better then the previous one. We&#039;ll see what the next one will be.
And count on it - when we reach the bottom of the hole we might start DIGGING the hole even deeper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>skep-tic:<br />
was in a hurry, my full version should be:</p>
<p>Credit has ALWAYS been available for good companies. We are still in a deep poop-hole, just sinking slower. It&#8217;s true that the current layer of poop stinks a little bit better then the previous one. We&#8217;ll see what the next one will be.<br />
And count on it &#8211; when we reach the bottom of the hole we might start DIGGING the hole even deeper.</p>
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		<title>By: Shore Guy</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2009/05/21/fed-green-shoots-not-convincing/#comment-299412</link>
		<dc:creator>Shore Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 02:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gator,

I can just hea the ads:

&quot;Finally, a politician who has no interest in scr-ew-ing you.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gator,</p>
<p>I can just hea the ads:</p>
<p>&#8220;Finally, a politician who has no interest in scr-ew-ing you.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Shore Guy</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2009/05/21/fed-green-shoots-not-convincing/#comment-299411</link>
		<dc:creator>Shore Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 02:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Looks like I’m going up to the Meadowlands to visit the boys on Saturday- are you going?&quot;

BC/NJC,

Enjoy the show for me.  Mrs. Shore and I have a bit of business entertaining to do on Saturday evening and can&#039;t be there.  They bloody-well better add a U.S. leg after Europe.  In need a couple more shows this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Looks like I’m going up to the Meadowlands to visit the boys on Saturday- are you going?&#8221;</p>
<p>BC/NJC,</p>
<p>Enjoy the show for me.  Mrs. Shore and I have a bit of business entertaining to do on Saturday evening and can&#8217;t be there.  They bloody-well better add a U.S. leg after Europe.  In need a couple more shows this year.</p>
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		<title>By: Shore Guy</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2009/05/21/fed-green-shoots-not-convincing/#comment-299409</link>
		<dc:creator>Shore Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 02:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Green shoots. Yeah right. Who ARE these people?? Neighbor’s house is being sold on the courthouse steps next month. Another neighbor, a boomer, has been out of work since fall, no leads, little hope. And perhaps most troubling of all - business at the gun store is tapering off a bit but people are bringing in their grandpa’s vintage weapons, hoping to sell them to pay the rent.&quot;

A friend of mine has been without work for two years now.  he friend has a technical and sales background but everything is dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Green shoots. Yeah right. Who ARE these people?? Neighbor’s house is being sold on the courthouse steps next month. Another neighbor, a boomer, has been out of work since fall, no leads, little hope. And perhaps most troubling of all &#8211; business at the gun store is tapering off a bit but people are bringing in their grandpa’s vintage weapons, hoping to sell them to pay the rent.&#8221;</p>
<p>A friend of mine has been without work for two years now.  he friend has a technical and sales background but everything is dead.</p>
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		<title>By: Shore Guy</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2009/05/21/fed-green-shoots-not-convincing/#comment-299408</link>
		<dc:creator>Shore Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 02:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;getting used to being screwed upside-down on a daily basis?&quot;

Iguana style?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;getting used to being screwed upside-down on a daily basis?&#8221;</p>
<p>Iguana style?</p>
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		<title>By: Shore Guy</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2009/05/21/fed-green-shoots-not-convincing/#comment-299407</link>
		<dc:creator>Shore Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 02:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Does anyone have reliable information/resource on how to purchase a distressed or foreclosed timeshare in the Naples, FL area??&quot;

With a roll of quarters and some spare postage stamps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Does anyone have reliable information/resource on how to purchase a distressed or foreclosed timeshare in the Naples, FL area??&#8221;</p>
<p>With a roll of quarters and some spare postage stamps?</p>
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		<title>By: NJGator</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2009/05/21/fed-green-shoots-not-convincing/#comment-299406</link>
		<dc:creator>NJGator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 01:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Senate candidate to make y&#039;all proud.

http://teamstormy.com/?page_id=94</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Senate candidate to make y&#8217;all proud.</p>
<p><a href="http://teamstormy.com/?page_id=94" rel="nofollow">http://teamstormy.com/?page_id=94</a></p>
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		<title>By: x-underwriter</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2009/05/21/fed-green-shoots-not-convincing/#comment-299405</link>
		<dc:creator>x-underwriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 01:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why there&#039;s no mass exodus from NJ to KY

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=eea_1242691693</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why there&#8217;s no mass exodus from NJ to KY</p>
<p><a href="http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=eea_1242691693" rel="nofollow">http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=eea_1242691693</a></p>
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		<title>By: BC Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>BC Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 01:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But we can go on replacing private debt with public debt for a while&quot;

skep,

Really? Then again, selfish reasons, I hope you are right. What is actually accomplished? You can&#039;t solve massive debt problems by printing more debt. The problem does not magically disappear. You&#039;re just transferring debt. 

Now explain why 10 year rates have been moving steadily higher at the same time the fed monetized debt? The fed has shaken the bond vigilantes out of the trees. Now the world markets will test the fed&#039;s resolve. Let the fun and games begin. One solution to now bring rates back down. A major crash. Comforting?

There will be a major price to pay for this debasement. It is occuring right before all of our eyes. Problem is, most don&#039;t even recognize it. What are your thought regarding recent capital outflows?  Dollar issues?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But we can go on replacing private debt with public debt for a while&#8221;</p>
<p>skep,</p>
<p>Really? Then again, selfish reasons, I hope you are right. What is actually accomplished? You can&#8217;t solve massive debt problems by printing more debt. The problem does not magically disappear. You&#8217;re just transferring debt. </p>
<p>Now explain why 10 year rates have been moving steadily higher at the same time the fed monetized debt? The fed has shaken the bond vigilantes out of the trees. Now the world markets will test the fed&#8217;s resolve. Let the fun and games begin. One solution to now bring rates back down. A major crash. Comforting?</p>
<p>There will be a major price to pay for this debasement. It is occuring right before all of our eyes. Problem is, most don&#8217;t even recognize it. What are your thought regarding recent capital outflows?  Dollar issues?</p>
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