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		<title>By: Pol Clot</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2009/06/30/sp-case-shiller-april-hpi/#comment-309191</link>
		<dc:creator>Pol Clot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>plume (215)-

At first glance, I thought that sicko was Ron Paulus.

Just another reason to hate Dook.</description>
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<p>At first glance, I thought that sicko was Ron Paulus.</p>
<p>Just another reason to hate Dook.</p>
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		<title>By: SirRentsalot</title>
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		<dc:creator>SirRentsalot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>212 nom
Yes indeedy.  Sure am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>212 nom<br />
Yes indeedy.  Sure am.</p>
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		<title>By: grim</title>
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		<dc:creator>grim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New thread, up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New thread, up!</p>
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		<title>By: Comrade Nom Deplume</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2009/06/30/sp-case-shiller-april-hpi/#comment-309143</link>
		<dc:creator>Comrade Nom Deplume</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[217] silent

As a result of the Clearinghouse decision yesterday, this is gonna take off, and will be like the tobacco litigation.

Ah, a payday for the lawyers.  Good thing I sold my WF stock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[217] silent</p>
<p>As a result of the Clearinghouse decision yesterday, this is gonna take off, and will be like the tobacco litigation.</p>
<p>Ah, a payday for the lawyers.  Good thing I sold my WF stock.</p>
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		<title>By: silent till now</title>
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		<dc:creator>silent till now</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These neiborhoods were ground zero of the housing bubble. Then the madness just went up from there.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8118376.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These neiborhoods were ground zero of the housing bubble. Then the madness just went up from there.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8118376.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8118376.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ellen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@204 - My husband grew up in Germantown (definitely the wrong side of the tracks) and a couple of his sisters still live in Mt. Airy.     One made a conscious decision to remain for the &quot;convenience&quot; of the train, so they could limit themselves to one car.    Unfortunately, neither she nor her husband could find jobs within the city.    Now they&#039;re paying resident city wage and getting virtually nothing for it (kids are at Catholic schools so they&#039;re not taking advantage of Masterman or Central).    Also they&#039;re paying city insurance rates for two cars.    She was just telling me a couple of weeks ago that she would love to move to Flourtown.

Other sister in law lives in a huge 6 bedroom twin in Mt. Airy right up the street from the train.     Kids are also in Catholic Schools.   Her husband works in NYC and drives down to 30th street every day for both convenience and safety reasons.    Virtually every activity she drives her kids to (from the orthodontist to gymnastics) is in the suburbs.   She has wanted to move to Lafayette Hill for years, but the thought of packing up her 6 bedroom  house is really just too daunting.

I&#039;d just be really careful before committing a huge sum inside the city limits.    As your kids get older, the city really becomes a less convenient address.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@204 &#8211; My husband grew up in Germantown (definitely the wrong side of the tracks) and a couple of his sisters still live in Mt. Airy.     One made a conscious decision to remain for the &#8220;convenience&#8221; of the train, so they could limit themselves to one car.    Unfortunately, neither she nor her husband could find jobs within the city.    Now they&#8217;re paying resident city wage and getting virtually nothing for it (kids are at Catholic schools so they&#8217;re not taking advantage of Masterman or Central).    Also they&#8217;re paying city insurance rates for two cars.    She was just telling me a couple of weeks ago that she would love to move to Flourtown.</p>
<p>Other sister in law lives in a huge 6 bedroom twin in Mt. Airy right up the street from the train.     Kids are also in Catholic Schools.   Her husband works in NYC and drives down to 30th street every day for both convenience and safety reasons.    Virtually every activity she drives her kids to (from the orthodontist to gymnastics) is in the suburbs.   She has wanted to move to Lafayette Hill for years, but the thought of packing up her 6 bedroom  house is really just too daunting.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d just be really careful before committing a huge sum inside the city limits.    As your kids get older, the city really becomes a less convenient address.</p>
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		<title>By: relo</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2009/06/30/sp-case-shiller-april-hpi/#comment-309139</link>
		<dc:creator>relo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>199:  Yep.  I guess Frak is right.

delusion/ off</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>199:  Yep.  I guess Frak is right.</p>
<p>delusion/ off</p>
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		<title>By: Comrade Nom Deplume</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comrade Nom Deplume</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pol Clot,

You&#039;re a UNC guy, right?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/30/duke.molestation.internet/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pol Clot,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re a UNC guy, right?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/30/duke.molestation.internet/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/30/duke.molestation.internet/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: 3b</title>
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		<dc:creator>3b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#205 Renovations or not, the price should still be down, as the purchase price in 2005 (unrenovated) was inflated.

Plus depending when the renovations were done, they now could be 4 to 5 years old. Renovations do not increase the price with age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#205 Renovations or not, the price should still be down, as the purchase price in 2005 (unrenovated) was inflated.</p>
<p>Plus depending when the renovations were done, they now could be 4 to 5 years old. Renovations do not increase the price with age.</p>
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		<title>By: Comrade Nom Deplume</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comrade Nom Deplume</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[197] sir

&quot;I’m gonna say yes.&quot;

Thought you might.  

In my my free time, too.  

Yeah, free time.  Right.

BTW, you still up the hill from me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[197] sir</p>
<p>&#8220;I’m gonna say yes.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thought you might.  </p>
<p>In my my free time, too.  </p>
<p>Yeah, free time.  Right.</p>
<p>BTW, you still up the hill from me?</p>
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		<title>By: Outofstater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Outofstater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#114 Yikes - There are no cards for this situation. I&#039;d get a blank card and write a brief note saying that you are thinking of them at this difficult time. Just a line or two. No flowers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#114 Yikes &#8211; There are no cards for this situation. I&#8217;d get a blank card and write a brief note saying that you are thinking of them at this difficult time. Just a line or two. No flowers.</p>
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		<title>By: ruggles</title>
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		<dc:creator>ruggles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>209 is for calitransplant</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>209 is for calitransplant</p>
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		<title>By: ruggles</title>
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		<dc:creator>ruggles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, in order to use the 2005 selling price to determine current market value or what you should pay, you have to know that the 2005 sales price was fair market value. maybe they overpaid, maybe they got a great deal. So that number is useless unless you have other 2005 similar sales and can compare.  

Second, the renovations may put the house in a higher bracket, who knows. maybe they increased the value by 30% over 2005 price and now its only worth 10% over. you have to find current similar sales in the neighborhood or town and compare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, in order to use the 2005 selling price to determine current market value or what you should pay, you have to know that the 2005 sales price was fair market value. maybe they overpaid, maybe they got a great deal. So that number is useless unless you have other 2005 similar sales and can compare.  </p>
<p>Second, the renovations may put the house in a higher bracket, who knows. maybe they increased the value by 30% over 2005 price and now its only worth 10% over. you have to find current similar sales in the neighborhood or town and compare.</p>
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		<title>By: veto that</title>
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		<dc:creator>veto that</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a good part from that seeking alpha article... 

THE HOUSING REVOLUTION
We’re also going to see residual effects from this crisis, much the same as we saw after the Great Depression. People that lived through the scarcity of those years tended to be savers and hoarders, not throwing anything away. Going forward, I think we’ll see a large increase in the number of people that never buy another home. After going through the trauma of getting foreclosed on or watching their parents, family, neighbors and/or friends go through it, they’ll choose to be lifetime renters. That’s good news for real estate investors as many of these people will still want to raise their families in houses, not apartments.
I also think we’re seeing the end of the “McMansions” and sprawling suburbia. Inland California was overbuilt, in the middle of nowhere (that’s why it was cheap to develop) and is now turning out near vacant ghost towns due to all the foreclosures. Values have already dropped over 50% in many of these areas and show no signs of slowing yet. Why? It’s too far to commute to work. Eventually population growth will fill these towns back up, but that could take a decade or more.
Millennial’s, those born after 1980, are flocking to urban landscapes and smaller homes. They don’t want to be house poor or commute more than minutes to work, preferably via mass transit. As gas and energy prices rise when the world economy recovers, more of us will be forced to address these same issues. This will eventually be good news for decaying urban areas and those that invest there ahead of the curve.
People will also stop looking at their homes as a source of wealth. Homes will be seen less as “castles” and more as just places to live. Europe and Asia are already like this. People there don’t socialize in their homes as much as we do (most are too small), they meet at cafes, restaurants, parks, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a good part from that seeking alpha article&#8230; </p>
<p>THE HOUSING REVOLUTION<br />
We’re also going to see residual effects from this crisis, much the same as we saw after the Great Depression. People that lived through the scarcity of those years tended to be savers and hoarders, not throwing anything away. Going forward, I think we’ll see a large increase in the number of people that never buy another home. After going through the trauma of getting foreclosed on or watching their parents, family, neighbors and/or friends go through it, they’ll choose to be lifetime renters. That’s good news for real estate investors as many of these people will still want to raise their families in houses, not apartments.<br />
I also think we’re seeing the end of the “McMansions” and sprawling suburbia. Inland California was overbuilt, in the middle of nowhere (that’s why it was cheap to develop) and is now turning out near vacant ghost towns due to all the foreclosures. Values have already dropped over 50% in many of these areas and show no signs of slowing yet. Why? It’s too far to commute to work. Eventually population growth will fill these towns back up, but that could take a decade or more.<br />
Millennial’s, those born after 1980, are flocking to urban landscapes and smaller homes. They don’t want to be house poor or commute more than minutes to work, preferably via mass transit. As gas and energy prices rise when the world economy recovers, more of us will be forced to address these same issues. This will eventually be good news for decaying urban areas and those that invest there ahead of the curve.<br />
People will also stop looking at their homes as a source of wealth. Homes will be seen less as “castles” and more as just places to live. Europe and Asia are already like this. People there don’t socialize in their homes as much as we do (most are too small), they meet at cafes, restaurants, parks, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re#194 - My point is take the 2005 price and adjust it for inflation sans improvements as perhaps a starting point, some Sellers are still expecting 20% YOY increases. You will find lots of delusional sellers out there.

Disclaimer - I am neither a Realtor or an appraiser. Determining a homes worth is a very subjective process, you will gets lots of good advise here and lots of bad advise as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re#194 &#8211; My point is take the 2005 price and adjust it for inflation sans improvements as perhaps a starting point, some Sellers are still expecting 20% YOY increases. You will find lots of delusional sellers out there.</p>
<p>Disclaimer &#8211; I am neither a Realtor or an appraiser. Determining a homes worth is a very subjective process, you will gets lots of good advise here and lots of bad advise as well.</p>
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