Welcome to Spring!

From the NY Times:

In New Jersey, the For-Sale Signs Are in Bloom

“GET ready for the block party! Great neighborhood!” That is how an agent named Heather Gilheany verbally baits the hook in her listing for 156 Oakland Road, a three-bedroom one-bath colonial built in 1925.

“Selling the neighborhood,” explained Ms. Gilheany of Coldwell Banker. “That is what we always do — sell not just the house, but the neighborhood.”

But it so happens that on this particular block of Oakland Road, and in the immediately surrounding three or four blocks, for-sale signs abound. While the agents are busy “selling the neighborhood,” someone just driving by might be forgiven for wondering whether the entire neighborhood was for sale — lock, stock and barrel.

Last week there was a for-sale sign in front of No. 157, and one at No. 160 on the opposite side of the street.

There was another at 66 Burnett Terrace around the corner, two on the same block of nearby Highland Avenue, two on contiguous blocks of Plymouth Avenue, and so on. In all, there were a dozen signs within a roughly four-block area, although in some cases, houses were already under contract and the signs were being kept up during the attorney-review process.

In Maplewood over all, there are 126 active listings, out of 5,541 owner-occupied homes, according to Patricia Ross, a Coldwell Banker agent, who says she has lived in town all her life and sold real estate there since 1984. She found the number high but not unusually so. And she noted that many residents moved from one house to another within Maplewood over the course of their lives.

Focusing more tightly, though, real estate agents in northern New Jersey said a concentration of for-sale signs was often the result of sociological change, rather than change of season or economy.

“I think what happens is a natural progression,” said Perri K. Feldman, an agent based in the Keller-Williams office in Summit. “People move into a neighborhood when their children are young, and then when everyone is older, and their children have stopped boomeranging back home, one decides to put their house on the market.

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589 Responses to Welcome to Spring!

  1. Sal says:

    yey first

  2. safeashouses says:

    I keep hearing about bidding wars for anything in good shape under 500k in a good location. I actually believe this since anything matching that description goes into Attorney Review or Under Contract within 1 week. Although anything in a bad location or lousy shape just sits, and those seem to be listed at the same price as the nice stuff on side streets.

  3. safeashouses says:

    2nd and 3rd!!!!!

  4. frank says:

    Do You think this is the reason for the for sales signs?
    This is what Maplewood is all about these these days.

    Seton Hall Player Charged With Kidnapping, Robbery

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/17/robert-mitchell-arrested_n_503081.html

  5. Shore Guy says:

    Related to that, John, do you recall where it was recently that some putz kidnapped one of his own coaches? It was some football player out west, I think.

  6. safeashouses says:

    I think all school lunches in NJ should look like this.

    http://www.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/japanese-childrens-bento-box.jpg

  7. SAS says:

    i know, this was a stupid thing for someone to do. More than likely someone doing a prank. but, here is the scary part:

    -“Police say they have made an arrest in the case of a racial comment being made over the public-address system”

    “Police: Arrest in NJ Walmart racial comment case”
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_wal_mart_racial_comment

    SAs

  8. SAS says:

    careful what you say, or the NJ thought police will come after you.

    SAS

  9. SAS says:

    “Patricia Ross, a Coldwell Banker agent, who says she has lived in town all her life and sold real estate there since 1984. ”

    what a boring lot.

    SAS

  10. willwork4beer says:

    Bergen County plans to lay off 70 employees

    [Posted by The Star-Ledger Continuous News Desk March 20, 2010, 8:26 AM]
    Kevin R. Wexler/The Record

    Bergen County plans to lay off more than 70 county workers by June 1 and cut 30 additional jobs, a report on NorthJersey.com said. County Executive Dennis McNerney hopes the move, which amounts to 9 percent of the county workforce, could save $2.5 million this year and $4 million in 2011, according to the report. The layoffs would hit administrative assistants, custodians and bookkeepers in the county’s Health and Human Services departments, Public Works and the Planning Departments, the report said.

    Classic.

    I wonder how many clerks and janitors they could save by just getting rid of a few overpaid political hacks.

  11. House Whine says:

    11- At this rate the % of unemployed workers in NJ will rise and we’ll be taking from Peter to pay Paul. (I think that’s the correct saying).I sure hope the NJ DOL workers are ready for more filings for unemployment insurance.

  12. safeashouses says:

    #9 Stu,

    And people wonder why we have gotten fat and have so many health issues in this country.

  13. safeashouses says:

    #11 beer,

    And if all the employees would agree to a salary freeze, chipping in a bit for their health benefits, ending getting paid for unused sick days and vacation days, I bet there would be no need for layoffs.

  14. safeashouses says:

    I think the recession is over. There has been a line the last 2 times I’ve gone to get them donuts. I haven’t seen lines like that on a weekend in a donut or bagel shop in a few years.

  15. Yikes says:

    starting to realize you can’t lease a nice, newish vehicle for 300 a month.

    i’d feel like a fool paying 500 a month for a nice car. in my youth, i had a nice ride (at the newspaper where i was a reporter, i drove a lot) and the payment was about 430 a momth. but i was also single and a nice car certainly doesn’t hurt when you’re single.

    i just feel like leasing an SUV for 500 a month (or any vehicle, really) is kind of a waste. the buisness aspect and saving on taxes is really the only draw.

  16. willwork4beer says:

    14 Safe

    Agreed.

  17. grim says:

    Yikes,

    Go to LeaseTrader and find someone who needs out of a lease in a bad way.

    Or just drive what you drive, and pick up a nice convertible for the next 6 months.

  18. frank says:

    “Bergen County plans to lay off 70 employees”
    About time, they should lay off 700 of them.

  19. safeashouses says:

    Yikes,

    Check out Hyundai Santa Fe or Tuscon.

  20. willwork4beer says:

    19 frank

    The point is they’re cutting the lowest paid workers and leaving the bloated administration intact.

    Now everybody in the state will be supporting these ex-clerks and former janitors on unemployment while the political criminals get to keep picking our pockets. See House Whine’s post @ #12.

  21. gary says:

    Clifton School District:

    Richard Manfreedy – Secondary Vocational Ed. Career Prep Supervisor – $110,116

    Linda McCoy – Media Supervisor – $126,125

    Juanita Ludwig – Supervisor Counseloring/Student Services – $121,833

    Maria Nuccetelli – Asst. Super. – $156,000

    William Hahn – Middle School Principal – $153,826

    Maryann Baskinger – Supervisor Performing Arts for “ahem”, elementary school – $112,828

    I have about 50 more names; some with titles that really make you laugh, like, Humanities Supervisor at $127,000 per year but I think you get the picture. This is why it’s the beginning of the end.

  22. Outofstater says:

    #22 “the beginning of the end.” I sure hope you are right. Let’s see how much the NJEA is willing to sacrifice “for the children.” Across the board pay freeze? Pay cut? Or will they just dig their heels in to keep their bennies so the junior teachers are let go and class size is increased? What’s the saying in NJ? “Hooray for me, F you?” And someone please tell me how a union is NOT like a protection racket? Seriously. I don’t get it.

  23. goonsquad says:

    117. I’m looking for a nice, oldish car for my sister in law for 5-6k. Autotrader shows very few results in NJ. Everything is in NYC. It seems like autotrader isn’t hitting the dozens of used car lots in NNJ. Can anyone recommend a better used car search engine in NNJ? I posted this question yesterday but didn’t get any replies.

  24. goonsquad says:

    *117=17 (yikes)

  25. Fiddy Cents on the Dollar says:

    gary, just think…..their lifetime pensions are based on those salaries.

    Pension dollars that will no doubt be spent in another state with a lower Cost of Living.

  26. Outofstater says:

    #25 Did you include private party sellers too?

  27. Juice Box says:

    Yes, Government Jobs uses crazy rules like seniority when doing layoffs nothing like the pubic sector for sure.

    How do you propose to change it? Isn’t it law in NJ?

  28. grim says:

    Neighbor just ‘retired’ to Arizona with his Sheriff’s Department pension.

    Picked up a beautiful foreclosure dirt cheap. Taxes are laughable. Paid cash, a little more than half of what he sold his NJ house for, banked the rest.

    He’ll never need to work again, he plans to spend his days riding his Harley across the Southwest.

    He’s in his mid-50s. Hard times indeed.

  29. Outofstater says:

    #29 I suspect it’s more a matter of tradition than law. If it is the law, change the law.

  30. grim says:

    Another house for sale down the block, looking to move South as well, USPS pension there (pretty generous too).

  31. willwork4beer says:

    29 Juice

    Civil service rules include layoff and recall rights that are based on seniority. Last in, first out. CC wants to allow towns to opt out of civil service.

    I would say that would result in a lot of patronage, nepotism and favoritism but that’s what we already have anyway. Might as well give it a try.

  32. grim says:

    Gary,

    How about the superintendent of Newark schools at $275k, or Jersey City at $250k?

    I see pages and pages of $200k+ salaries.

  33. Yikes says:

    Was/is Romney Care a success in Massachusetts?

    just curious.

  34. Juice Box says:

    re #31 – it’s not a tradition, it’s law in many States.

    Look somewhere you will find it. For Example thirty-one states have language in their state constitutions that establish standards for funding and use of public employee pension plans and assets.

    Somewhere buried in State Law is a clause for seniority to determine layoffs not job performance.

    I don’t have time to dig though the code but here is a good start for anyone that has the time.

    New Jersey Adm. Code 6A:32-4.5 & 4.5

  35. Juice Box says:

    Also there is no uniform ranking for these Union employees, no State standard for evaluation for Teachers for example.

  36. willwork4beer says:

    34 Grim

    Re: superintendents

    To make matters worse, you have the kind of shenanigans that went on in the Trenton school district a ways back. They kept hiring superintendents to three year contracts and then firing them after a year. So they were paying three superintendents at a time for awhile.

    In the meantime, Trenton’s schools still sucked.

  37. Outofstater says:

    So, the superintendents of schools in Newark and in Jersey City make more than a four star general serving in the military. (in 2010, a four star makes about $233,334 including base pay, allowance for housing with dependents using a central NJ zip code and I added in about $150/month for BAS) Maybe it’s just me, but that’s nuts.

    http://usmilitary.about.com/od/fy2010paycharts/a/basicpayoff.htm

  38. willwork4beer says:

    39 Stater

    Maybe we could get a few Brigadeers and MGs to take over for them in the Abbott districts. We could save a few bucks and they could straighten a few things out by kicking ass and taking names.

  39. Outofstater says:

    #40 The Abbott districts are a failure and complete waste of money. The state supreme court is responsible for that fiasco, isn’t it? If those districts could get a little tough love in the form of military discipline, they’d be a lot better off. As it is, it seems that no one really cares about those kids, not even their parents. Money is not the issue, it’s culture.

  40. willwork4beer says:

    41 Stater

    Agreed and yes.

    The Abbott districts are a failure and complete waste of money. The state supreme court is responsible for that fiasco, isn’t it?

  41. borat obama says:

    Last

  42. dark matters says:

    Next to Last

  43. grim says:

    Maybe we could get a few Brigadeers and MGs to take over for them in the Abbott districts.

    Not a bad idea.

  44. Yikes says:

    Juice Box says:
    March 19, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    Really killing it in Hoboken.

    A staggering $1.6 million dollar reduction – A “Will it Sell?” record!

    Cost today: $2,600,000
    Cost in November 2008: $4,200,000 (orig 4.35 mil!)

    http://hoboken411.com/archives/15077#more-15077

    who would pay $2 mil or even $4 mil to live in Hoboken? only a fool.

    why slum it in Hoboken for that much? insanity.

  45. gio says:

    staying put in rental waiting to see if prices fall further. Want to buy but have a fear that in Jersey prices will fal further after credit expires. Maybe people in Maplewood see the writing on the wall and are trying to sell during the credit push, using the hype to their advantage. Would you buy now?

  46. NJGator says:

    Don’t forget that the Superintendent in Jersey City, Charles Epps, was for many years simultaneously also a State Senator. For a while he was actually pulling in 300k /year in public salary.

    I guess for 250k/year Superintendent in JC is not even a full-time job. Can’t wait to see what Charlie Epps eventually pulls in in pension.

  47. Yikes says:

    veto that says:
    March 19, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    “I think people should generally be left to find their own level of achievement, with basic social safety nets,”

    most of the disadvantaged are unfit to be parents or just plain ignorant so how can we expect their kids to compete with ours and then call it a free, fair competitive system?

    I agree w/ this. I dont have an answer how to improve things, but i believe it starts at home. far too many kids growing up with parents who aren’t around to guide them.

    it can/will be debated forever, but i’d say it all starts at home. i believe kids who grow up with parents who are druggies/alcholics/never around/divorced have a much tougher road to being productive members of society.

    (i have no stats to back this up; im sure there are stats that back this up or shred it.)

    and yes, i do know a handful of people who grew up in 1-parent homes who “made it.” i’d say they are the exception.

  48. Yikes says:

    House Whine says:
    March 19, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    Realizing that life is not fair, I want to address why we seem to think of those who are poor as not working hard. Have you ever imagined what your life would be like cleaning toilets at a rest stop or being a home health aide? THese people are like invisible to most of us. I bet so many of these kind of workers are poor and need a few extra dimes from the taxpayers to sustain them. I wouldn’t deny them that. We need people who are willing to perform these tasks- I know I won’t and I know my children won’t.

    1 thing – you WOULD and I WOULD if our families needed us to. I assume everyone on this board would.

  49. sastry says:

    Yikes #49,

    There is the other side of “handouts” — people like W that get into Yale, no-show National Guard, and Inside sales of companies, public bailout of a stadium, etc. Some people are really born with a silver spoon up their a.., and they promptly upgrade to platinum spoons.

    At least it’s better in the US. In India, the people in power promote family members more than family values. Interesting note: in Hyderabad’s movie industry (second only to bollywood, and produces more movies than hollywood), the male leads are almost always kids of established film stars or producers, the female leads are almost always “fairer skin imports” from north. The movie theaters are partly owned by the people.

    There is a gradual shift of US culture towards that of second/third world countries — but may be that’s how countries age and become crippled.

    S

  50. prtraders2000 says:

    -goonsquad

    Craigslist is the best place to buy or sell a used car for private party transactions. I’ve done both. Make sure you get a car fax report before you even go see a car. Also, Edmunds.com gives more realistic used car values versus Kelly Blue Book.

  51. goonsquad says:

    25, yep, I did include private sellers in my search on autotrader.

  52. Yikes says:

    Shore Guy says:
    March 19, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    “Cleaning toilets”

    Welcome to my first jobs. That and schlepping cartloads of wet and dirty cloth adult diapers to be laundered. Ever wipe another adult’s @ss for them for $.10 above minimum wage? I have.

    reminds me of some jobs i had during high school growing up:

    1) Working at a car wash. Guy asked me to sweep up the lot during a slow day. I had never swept in my life. I got fired a few weeks later.

    2) Working at a trendy restaurant in DC. a lot of shady cats working w/ me. they pegged me as the ‘suburban kid’ early. i knew this wasn’t the life i wanted and focused hard on school following that summer.

    3) Register at one of those chain CVS/Walgreens/Rite Aid type spots. Most depressing was eating lunch in the breakroom around adults (I was 16). also, when the hot chicks from my high school came through the line. i quit after like 2 months.

    that which doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger, etc

  53. cobbler says:

    Well, Newark superindendant heads an organization of several thousand people, so most everywhere (except for the military, as had been mentioned here – but they have other perks…) the salary in >200K range won’t look outrageous. However, tons of essentially paper pushers (supervisors of arts, athletics, humanities, special ed, you name it) in every dwarf-sized district pulling mid-six digits pay is clearly beyond comparison to anything in the private sector.

  54. sastry says:

    Yikes, you failed at your first three jobs? :) jk

  55. rebear says:

    Librarians are essential but because of tenure rules many younger teachers will be laid off before the librarian.

  56. sastry says:

    Re, fat salaries for older teachers. What is a practical alternative? Young teachers make peanuts. If they are easily fired when they get old, it would be more difficult for them to find a job.

    The practical outcome of such an uncertain system would be that not many people will get into the teaching profession (which is already suffering from lack of good candidates). Teachers’ careers should not have a short shelf life like those of pr0n actresses.

    That said, there are loopholes in the current system, and incremental changes can be made. I am simply defending against, “fire all older teachers that make more than X”.

    The repubs are already complaining about cops, and soon they may start about retirees in armed forces.

  57. gary says:

    Yikes 50,

    In 1984 I was pumping gas on the NJ Turnpike. It was the first stop outside the Lincoln Tunnel, exit 16E. Part of my duties there: cleaning the bathrooms.

  58. Bubble Disciple says:

    Re #9:

    The school lunches in US public schools were always cr@p. You should have seen the junk I got in JHS (sloppy joe, hot dogs, and oranges the size of hand balls). The difference is we were more physically active back then, and usually we got decent food at home. Now, kids spend their free time on the internet, and many working parents are too rushed to prepare healthy food.

  59. gary says:

    How about being lowered into a grease trap to shovel the slop out with a bucket at Baltasrol Country Club in Springfield? I’ve got a few more…

  60. Bubble Disciple says:

    Re: 21, 22

    That is how it always is. The lower paid employees are used to it – they know they are political pawns. After all, you wouldn’t expect the administrators to lay themselves off.

    I wouldn’t have a problem with this if the remaining employees pick up the slack; e.g. have the Humanities Supervisor clean some toilets.

  61. safeashouses says:

    I hated cleaning toilets at the beach club I worked at. After a particular nasty occasion I would put cling wrap across the bowl and removed the lightbulb in the stall. And that was in the employee bathroom. It was payback time baby.

  62. willwork4beer says:

    Yikes 54/Gary 59

    1st jobs:

    Chinese restaurant where one of my duties was cleaning the bathrooms.

    Car Wash where one of my duties was cleaning the bathrooms.

    Group home where one of my duties was teaching developmentally disabled residents to clean their own bathrooms. And then actually cleaning the bathrooms after they went to bed to ensure that the bathrooms were genuinely clean.

    And yes, Shore, I have wiped an adult’s butt for slave wages (see group home above).

    I’m not complaining though. These jobs allowed me to survive while I worked my way through college and I was very thankful to have them at the time.

  63. Yikes says:

    veto that says:
    March 19, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    “My family has been here since the 1600s.”

    Shore i trace back to 1600’s in america as well. 1200s if i go back to england / scotland but thats by skipping over 200 years of missing info.

    my old man got here around 1969. mom in 1976, i think.

  64. sastry says:

    Yikes, “my old man got here around 1969. mom in 1976, i think.”

    My family’s US history began in 1990’s.

  65. Final Doom says:

    yikes (54)-

    Nothing like selling a box of tampons to a girl you’re trying to rub up against.

  66. Final Doom says:

    gary (59)-

    That post explains a lot about you.

  67. Final Doom says:

    Next, Gary is going to tell us he was a fluffer.

  68. rebear says:

    sastry

    “The practical outcome of such an uncertain system would be that not many people will get into the teaching profession ”

    With almost non-existant alterantives to govt jobs, these people are hanging by the last thread. If Christie is keen on breaking the system, he should help people within break it.

  69. njescapee says:

    Final Doom = Sam Kinison reincarnated LOL

  70. borat obama says:

    First

  71. gary says:

    Doom [69],

    It depends on how many beers I have. :) But it does somehow remind me of that country song: “I Went Home at 2 with a 10 and woke up at 10 with a 2!”

  72. Jim says:

    15. safeashouses says:
    March 20, 2010 at 10:00 am
    I think the recession is over. There has been a line the last 2 times I’ve gone to get them donuts. I haven’t seen lines like that on a weekend in a donut or bagel shop in a few years.
    ——-

    Maybe the donut shops take food stamps now.

  73. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    First jobs… where to begin?

    In reality…probably when I was 7 or 8…. just incidentally was pulling weeds out between the patio stones of a neighbor’s house while all the other kids were playing…

    got a candy bar for my troubles…. thought to self… Hmmmm pretty cool…

    sl

  74. frank says:

    House GOP calls for Fannie, Freddie phase out

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62I3HZ20100319

  75. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    Next… 11 y/o — hauling tools for my old man… we did appliance installation… my job? Clean up and tool hauling…

    Used to get lotsa tips from customers… thought to self… hmmm pretty cool.

    Plus, my dad was paying close to $10/hr.

    sl

  76. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    highschool… worked at …. wait for it….. Roy Roger’s! What a loser job that was.. paid barely minimum. Worked with some older “mentally challenged” folks…

    Part of the job? Cleaning bathrooms…

    Thought to self? This sucks.

    sl

  77. Jim says:

    If I remember correctly Slick Willie’s daughter graduated from college and walked right into a six figure salary. Talk about a silver spoon. Other people have to work for a living and have it rough.

  78. Shore Guy says:

    Jim,

    Of course her old man had to work to get where he was and his mother worked like a dog to ensure that he could. So, it took three generations to get to the point of walking out of school into very good job.

  79. Jim says:

    Shore,
    Yea, I guess that is right. It just kind of gets me that some people use/have connections like that. If I was in her place I’d probably do the same thing. In Germany they call that ‘Vitimin B’.

  80. NJGator says:

    Still 78 – I did a 6 month sentence in Roy Rogers too. It was about 21 years ago and sometimes I still think I smell of grease and fried chicken.

    I think that job paid $3.85/hour. My co-workers were all jealous when I scored a cushy sit-down office job the following summer. I was raking in the big bucks – $5/hour!

    My grandparents and their Covered Bridge crew frequently came in and ordered one biscuit (cheapest thing on the menu) to get their free senior citizen coffee. They would get refills and sit there all day.

  81. Shore Guy says:

    From the Star in Toronto. I wonder if this is in general a net positive or a net negative for a neighborhood? Based on who I have observed sunbathing this way, it is not likely a plus:
    Colorado t0pless gardener complaints prompt new rules
    March 20, 2010 04:03:49
    The Associated Press
    BOULDER, Colo. A woman gardening wearing only a yellow thong and pink gloves has brought neighbourhood complaints and new rules from a housing authority in Colorado.
    Boulder Housing Partners plans to amend its rules so that tenants cover up when they’re outside. Several passers-by told Boulder police earlier this week that 52-year-old Catharine Pierce was t0pless while tending to her yard. Last year, she was threatened with eviction for gardening wearing only pasties and a thong.
    Police responding to Wednesday’s reports decided Pierce wasn’t breaking any laws.
    Robert Pierce said he’ll fight changes that would keep his wife from gardening outside t0pless, which is legal under state and city law.

  82. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    Worked at Marshall’s…. sucked.

    (Even without bathroom duty.)

    sl

  83. leftwing says:

    Grim

    See you mention LeaseTrader a couple of times. Any first hand experience or know of anyone who has used it?

    Looking for an SUV, one that we’ll keep longer term, punched up the website. Think I’m understanding it but there is a huge variance in lease payments for the same vehicle even after adjusting for miles left, etc.

    Guess I’m trolling for a low actual mileage, high lease mileage allowance vehicle near lease-end.

    Anything else would just be a rental and there are what appears to be a lot of zero down lease jobs out there at crazy (high) payments.

    My experience has been the lease companies get the residual right more times than not. They are also ruthless in whacking you for minor rubs/scratches.

    I’m not seeing the deals I expected there, just mostly people trying to lay off bad leases on someone else.

  84. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    Gator,

    I had that f’ing hat and denim apron/skirt thing for the longest time. I did keep the large pin-on button with a very p.hallic appearing chicken leg on it that reads, “think chicken” Still have it.. Looks just like a p.enis. I’m sure it was intentional.

    I pray for the day I ever run into some of the 3 or 4 different managers who worked there when I was there.. It was the one in Menlo Park on Route 1 S.

    Used to love to eat the little crispy bits that stayed in the fryer after the chicken was done.

    Yep. grease central. Yet at the time I had no problem staying 110 lbs soaking wet.

    Now? Gawd…. I really need an even more physical job.

    Which brings me to my next job…

    sl

  85. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    Home Depot in Woodbridge, the electrical department…. wow did I stay in shape at that job.

    sl

  86. Al "The Thermostat" Gore says:

    Productive day for me. Powerwashed the boat, painted the bottom, and painted the hourse doors.

    Only problem is I didnt leave time to unload 500 angry rounds at the range.

    By the way. My empty shell casings will be worth more than your Federal Reserve Notes soon.

  87. cobbler says:

    Re. dirty, monotonous and demeaning first/second jobs:
    My company had more than 100 applications for the $11/hr (actually $9/hr after paying for the medical) job consisting of handling, washing and palletizing emptied open-head 55-gal. drums. Haven’t seen any teenagers by the HR door.

  88. Al "The Thermostat" Gore says:

    IRS to Hire 17,000 to Collect Penalties If You Don’t Pay Health Care

    “Assuming it becomes law, the Congressional Budget Office expects the IRS will need roughly $10 billion over the next 10 years and nearly 17,000 new employees to meet its new responsibilities under health reform.”
    http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/87697-republicans-assail-irs-provision-in-health-care-bill-

    This should be fun. There is going to be a lot of broke @ss enemployed public workers in NJ. Hope they can afford the $325.

    What a laughable disaster. I cant even take this crap seriously anymore.

    Burn baby burn.

  89. Outofstater says:

    #58 “The repubs are already complaining about cops, and soon they may start about retirees in armed forces.”

    Then they will also need to start thinking about a draft for all 18 y/o men and women.

  90. Al "The Thermostat" Gore says:

    89.

    Cobbler,

    I was in Home Depot looking for some doors yesterday. I rang the “need help” buttom and a middle aged man emerged. He said, “I only know about 2×4’s.”

    I then went to the front desk help and sat down with what appeared to be a 18 year old male. You know the typical 5′ 6″ 240lb lard ass, with the equivalent man tit. Good news was it didnt appear that he had shaved his eyebrows. That being said, he could barely communicate. He looked like someone had sucked 7 pints of blood out his body and he was on his last legs. Total waste of time.

    That, my friends, is the product of the public education system.

    A worthless half man/half women lard ass incapable of conversation or meaningful thought.

  91. cobbler says:

    Folks are so upset about mandated purchase of health insurance for themselves; do they realize that they are already paying for it for the whole lot of people via Medicare and general income taxes?

  92. All "H-Train" Hype says:

    “half man/half women lard ass”

    LOL!!! Post of the day!

  93. NJGator says:

    Kansas out. Cr*p I may have to start paying attention to my bracket again.

  94. Al "The Thermostat" Gore says:

    93.

    Cobbler,

    Its over bro. Get gold.

  95. Shore Guy says:

    KU lost?

    Wow! Obama just can’t catch a break.

  96. Outofstater says:

    #95 Yeah and who ever heard of Northern f-ing Iowa? Much less that they knew hoops. Oh the humanity.

  97. Outofstater says:

    Site to find out what you are paying your school administrators in NJ.

    http://php.app.com/appendixc/

  98. NJCoast says:

    First job was at the snack bar at the Deal Casino. Then onto the Handwriting Analysis booth at the Asbury Boardwalk. Then waitressing at the Jockey Club Room at the Old Orchard Restaurant by the Monmouth Racetrack. Great tips when you got a winning jockey or somebody who won the trifecta.

  99. Cindy says:

    First job @ 16: Retail/ Women’s clothing. Many retail jobs come to think of it.

    Most unusual job: Making Big Harvey sandwiches @ Harvey’s in Lake Tahoe.

    Most dangerous job: Bank trainee – in the vault teller’s spot using the adding machine when we were robbed. Trench coat and ski mask guy enters the lending section and pulls a rifle on everyone. Other guy flies over the new accounts desk, into the vault teller area, sticks a gun to my head and says, “Open the drawer.” I reply, “I’m only using the adding machine – it isn’t my area. Swear.”

    The FBI comes in and separates everyone to question us. I cannot remember a thing – I didn’t want to look at him yet more know what color his eyes were. So when quizzed I say, “He was really fast over the counter and he was wearing a polyester suit with tennis shoes.”

  100. Essex says:

    92. That was probably the absolute dumbest comment I have ever wasted time reading here. Those morons all went to Catholic school.

  101. Stu says:

    I’ve virtually worked since the day I was born. Never got allowance and if I wanted anything besides hand-me down clothes I had to earn it myself. I was the kid riding a pink bicycle with a banana seat when my friends were riding Mongooses and GTs. I used to sell greeting cards and books door to door preteen. Remember those adverts in the back of comic books. Well I responded. Those jobs were the equivalent of slave labor. I also did a paper route via bicycle which was fine except on Sundays. I eventually figured out how to make real money mowing lawns, shoveling snow and doing Spring and Fall cleanups. I grew my business, GreenTree Landscaping, so large that I had three friends working for me. It all was fantastic until my parents found out that I had hired other kids to do the work for me. By this time, I was old enough to flip burgers at Burger King. I remember working 40-hour weeks during the Summer and not even netting a $100 paycheck. I was offered $19,000 per year to be a manager at that grease joint the day I turned 16. Funny, the day I turned 16, I started making real loot at K-Mart and KayBee Toys. You already heard those stories. Went to college for 6 years, but didn’t finish my masters degree when I got kicked out of my free housing (residence life RA manager) for having beer in my fridge during a Winter break (dry dorm). Funny thing is another Dorm Director bought me the beer. Make a long story short, I made $18,700 in my first post-college gig at age 24. Perhaps I should have taken that manager position at BK? 1994 was a sh1tty time to find a good job. I really feel for the current crop of college grads.

  102. leftwing says:

    “Folks are so upset about mandated purchase of health insurance for themselves; do they realize that they are already paying for it for the whole lot of people via Medicare and general income taxes?”

    So you’re telling me after passage of the bill my income taxes will go down?

    Hmmm…must have missed that part from the Chosen One.

  103. dan says:

    First job was working the stock room at Drucker’s Electronics. Who remembers them?

  104. Al "The Thermostat" Gore says:

    103.

    “Those morons all went to Catholic school.”

    My parents funded your indoctrination. You should be thankful loser. Dont worry Ill give you a trophy for participation. Loser.

    Muhahahaha! Seriously. How does it feel to have Christie nibble away at the tit that you call home? Bunch of punk ass losers is what we have here in NJ.

    Real men work for themselves and rely on themselves not the taxpayer.

  105. cobbler says:

    leftwing [105]
    What I said was that it is weird to accept paying taxes for Medicare and Medicaid (to keep other people insured) and at the same time violently oppose having to buy insurance for oneself – which is what the newfangled state constitutional amendments in Idaho, etc. are all about. I didn’t make a peep about where the taxes are going (so can’t give you a direct answer)- though, in every other country as the population had been getting older, they’ve been going up, irrelevantly of healthcare system.

  106. All "H-Train" Hype says:

    My first job was working with my aunt and uncle who were caretakers of a jewish cemetary. I remember being 11 years old and clipping ivy and mowing lawns in 100 degree heat. Further I had to help my uncle dig graves by hand as the headstones were so close together that you could not get a back hoe in. We used to carry the caskets over the headstones to get them into the graves. Some people must have weighed 300 pounds.

    We used to spread salt in between rows of headstones to keep the weeds away. Imagine carrying bucket after bucket of wet salt 100 yards.

    I learned my lesson regarding hard work for about 5+ summers.

    Also, we had to water the newly planted ivy and bushes at the end of the day. The water buckets were just as heavy as the salt buckets.

  107. NJGator says:

    Jersey City Board of Ed fails to ratify teachers contract

    In a loud and dramatic meeting, the Jersey City school board failed tonight to ratify a teachers union contract that had been negotiated over a 15-month period and agreed to by the administration.

    The 4-4-1 vote came three hours into the contentious meeting at School 11 on Bergen Avenue and sent more than 500 teachers home grumbling.

    “Throw them out,” one teacher yelled referring to the board.

    Board member and former mayor Gerald McCann, who taunted the teachers all night, led the opposition to the four-year deal, which called for raises between 4.35 percent and 4.7 percent.

    In the wake of a $27 million reduction in state school aid, McCann branded the contract as too expensive.

    Combined with previous cuts, McCann said the contract would lead to about 500 layoffs.

    The crowd booed and hissed every time he spoke.

    Relishing the fight, McCann quipped at one point, “I know a lot of you have to go home…I know a lot of you have to get to the Turnpike,” referring to the fact that only about a third of the district’s 3,400 teachers live in Jersey City.

    Board members L. Terry Dehere, Frances O. Thompson, and Patricia Sebron joined McCann in voting “no,” while board members Peter Donnelly, Sue Mack, Angel Valentin and Board president William DeRosa voted for the agreement.

    Board member Sean Connors, a Jersey City detective, abstained based on an advisory opinion from the State Schools Ethics Commission stating that board members who are elected with the support of the teachers’ union should abstain from voting on contracts for at least a year.

    The vote sends the union and its members back to the drawing board.

    “We go back to the table,” Jersey City Education Association Vice President Bob Cecchine said after the vote.

    The teachers argued that the raises in the contract had been misinterpreted. The bulk of the hikes are a result of moving up “steps” based on longevity. The actual raises, they said, ranges from 1.55 percent the first year to .31 percent that last year of the pact.

    Tom Favia, the union’s president, was lustily cheered when he entered the auditorium and when he rose to speak.

    “I’ve been doing this for 48 years,” Favia boomed. “Some of us went to jail because of these contracts. At the end of those contracts we shook hands and honored the agreement.”

    Board members made it clear they played no role in negotiating the agreement, a point confirmed by Superintendent of Schools Charles T. Epps Jr., who negotiated the contract along with his staff and the help of a mediator.

    Epps said that even though some decision-making functions in Jersey City Public Schools have returned to local control, he didn’t realize until after the contract was negotiated that the board had to sign off on the agreement.

    http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2010/03/jersey_city_board_of_ed_fails.html

  108. sas says:

    “A worthless half man/half women lard ass incapable of conversation or meaningful thought.”

    thats the whole idea bloke. all by design.
    of course..you throw some people a few crumbs here and there..there called the “middle class”.

    while the rich… chew you up & spit you out.

    SAS

  109. sas says:

    PS. even if you are a millionaire… you ain’t rich.

    SAS

  110. Yikes says:

    Al “The Thermostat” Gore says:
    March 20, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    Productive day for me. Powerwashed the boat, painted the bottom, and painted the hourse doors.

    what kind of boat? how much does it cost to store the sucker in the offseason?

  111. leftwing says:

    Re: Randolph

    So the finance director is going the hostage route, eh?

    Have to find cuts so lets look to kindergarten, all high school AP classes, and all sports and clubs.

    Good math there, trying to hold up all the constituents – young families, the college bound brains, jocks, and band.

    She should be the first blindfolded and against the wall.

    Find real cuts, wench, starting with your salary and other ‘administrators’.

  112. This blog is great. How did you come up witht he idea? 5 9 7

  113. You’ve got your point through better than I ever might, many thanks!

  114. chicagofinance says:

    The dialogue in this movie In The Loop is quite valuable….if you are a fan of The Office UK original, then this is a must….
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reTHiReUNo4

  115. Al "The Thermostat" Gore says:

    112.

    Sas,

    Indeed,

    Im on it. Engineering at its best. Every man for himself. Its time for economic triage.

  116. chicagofinance says:

    Karen Clarke: What’s going on there, Simon?
    Simon Foster: It’s… It’s departmental business. It’s about a wall.
    Karen Clarke: Oh, Gaza?
    Simon Foster: Uh-huh.
    Karen Clarke: I’m wondering where you were in committee, Simon. I called for back-up and you sat there like a dumb sack of sh!t. Only maybe worse, because, actually, on a molecular level, sh!t is probably fizzling with energy.
    Simon Foster: I have to say, Karen, I do have a clear strategy on this, which is I’m playing the long game.
    Karen Clarke: They’ve bounced us into a short game, and you just sat there like a… What do you call it in England? A wanker.

  117. chicagofinance says:

    Lt. Gen. George Miller: My loyalty is to the kids. I am a soldier.
    Karen Clarke: You’re not a soldier.
    Lt. Gen. George Miller: I’ve been a soldier my whole life! What do you mean I’m not a soldier? I’m a soldier! Look at the uniform – what, do you think I’m one of the fcuking Village People?
    Karen Clarke: When did you shoot a guy last?
    Lt. Gen. George Miller: What, just because I haven’t shot someone in fifteen years. I’m not a soldier? You know, the Army doesn’t make you drag some bullet-ridden bloody corpse into the Pentagon every five years to renew your soldier’s license!

  118. Ivan Coiner says:

    This blog is great. How did you come up witht he idea? 5 9 2

  119. sastry says:

    What’s with the “anti public schools” messages here? Some guy somewhere at a Home Depot is overweight and cannot communicate, and “all public schooling is bad”? Proof by example of 1 in 100 million!

    S

  120. speedkillsu says:

    ….it’s going to be a great summer ,time to start to unload the fleet …..01’vanguard 420 for sale great fun (unregistered trailer)….great fun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILzHuLfYcdw&feature=related

  121. leftwing says:

    Nice video.

    I don’t know if I’d be out there with that storm in the background, though.

  122. grim says:

    I’d have that thing upside down in no time flat.

  123. Anon E. Moose says:

    I hate to sound like Doom; but the end is neigh.

    People too stoopid to live: “What do you mean ‘If I don’t pay my mortgage it hurts my credit score’?

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Credit-scores-can-drop-after-apf-1601705094.html?x=0

  124. Fabius Maximus says:

    #111 NJGator

    I usually look at both sides of an arguement, but Gerry McCann is a big exception. A great example why felons should not be allowed to run for local office. Him voting against this smells like payback. I wonder on whom.

    credit where its due, I have to give him points for this gem.

    “I know a lot of you have to get to the Turnpike”

  125. Nomad says:

    #85 – honda pilot lx I beieve are $350/mo sign & drive lease – no other out of pocket at lease inception. send out emails to internet dept at dealers and you will save a bit. leases on honda finance paper will have $1500 of wear & tear credits so for a few door dings or worn tires you are not on $$ hook. don’t walk in to dealer – only negotiate online – that way you control things. toyota has deals but I would be leary…

  126. Moody Blue says:

    Timothy? Is that you?

  127. New in NJ says:

    Story about a high-end repo man

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704125804575096392965443342.html

    SANFORD, Fla.—Ken Cage is racing through a private aviation terminal near Orlando when his BlackBerry buzzes with bad news. The plane he is about to repossess is scheduled to take off for Mexico in three minutes.

    Even worse, the Cessna’s owner and pilot is on his way back from lunch—and he is rumored to be six-feet, six-inches tall.

    “I’d rather not stick around to find out,” Mr. Cage says.

    Mr. Cage, 44, stands guard by the door as his partner Randy Craft walks onto the tarmac and approaches a shiny white turbo-prop. He quickly picks the lock on the door and ushers in the repo team’s pilot, Dave Larson. The plane’s propellers roar to life, and after clearance from the control tower, the $350,000 ride lifts off the runway and into the sky.

  128. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    Anyone want to open a cash-only bagel shop?

    If they pass this bill, I will immediately implement my “exit from the medical field” strategy.

    I can’t type my feelings for Pelosi, et al as I don’t want to be jailed.

    Suffice it to say that it ain’t nice.

    sl

  129. Outofstater says:

    #132 If this thing passes, will it be illegal for patients to pay our docs beyond what the gov’t says we can pay?

  130. Outofstater says:

    #134 It is in my best interest to keep my docs happy and if that means slipping them an envelope of cash to make up the difference between what the gov’t says their services are worth and what they and I think they are worth, I’ll do it. I’m just wondering if that will land me in jail.

  131. Outofstater says:

    I fail at numbering posts.

  132. Sas3 says:

    #132

    Wouldn’t load on emergency services be reduced by this bill — if people have insurance, they will see the primary physician instead of going to ER?

  133. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [136] sas

    You assume that they can get a primary care physician.

    I found this from last December. To me, it is the health care equivalent of a high profile tax expatriation.

    “Dec. 31 (Bloomberg) — The Mayo Clinic, praised by President Barack Obama as a national model for efficient health care, will stop accepting Medicare patients as of tomorrow at one of its primary-care clinics in Arizona, saying the U.S. government pays too little.

    More than 3,000 patients eligible for Medicare, the government’s largest health-insurance program, will be forced to pay cash if they want to continue seeing their doctors at a Mayo family clinic in Glendale, northwest of Phoenix, said Michael Yardley, a Mayo spokesman. The decision, which Yardley called a two-year pilot project, won’t affect other Mayo facilities in Arizona, Florida and Minnesota.

    Obama in June cited the nonprofit Rochester, Minnesota-based Mayo Clinic and the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio for offering “the highest quality care at costs well below the national norm.” Mayo’s move to drop Medicare patients may be copied by family doctors, some of whom have stopped accepting new patients from the program, said Lori Heim, president of the American Academy of Family Physicians, in a telephone interview yesterday.

    “Many physicians have said, ‘I simply cannot afford to keep taking care of Medicare patients,’” said Heim, a family doctor who practices in Laurinburg, North Carolina. “If you truly know your business costs and you are losing money, it doesn’t make sense to do more of it.”

    Medicare Loss

    The Mayo organization had 3,700 staff physicians and scientists and treated 526,000 patients in 2008. It lost $840 million last year on Medicare, the government’s health program for the disabled and those 65 and older, Mayo spokeswoman Lynn Closway said.

    Mayo’s hospital and four clinics in Arizona, including the Glendale facility, lost $120 million on Medicare patients last year, Yardley said. The program’s payments cover about 50 percent of the cost of treating elderly primary-care patients at the Glendale clinic, he said. . . .”

    Already, docs around the country are telling Medicare/aid patients to go away. ER docs say that where they do go are to the ERs, and they expect that to be worse under Obamacare.

    Caveat: I haven’t read the bill or determined if this is probable. But unless the bill does one of two things, either increase dr. payments or criminalize dr. refusal to accept medicare/aid, I can easily see this becoming much worse.

    I also expect that hospitals will start to implement what I call “lexus lanes” for ER admission, which means that folks on gold-plated insurance plans will get to the doc faster than all but the true emergencies. Since Congress cannot easily meddle with decisions on triage (well, actually, they can and they will), it will mean that medicare/aid patients spend 7 hours in chairs for the flu while Graydon’s dad spends 30 minutes.

    As an aside, I expect that hospitals in lux areas will (heck, they already are) market themselves to the higher net worth and insured markets, and those with facilities in more than one location will steer medicaid/care patients to the urban facility, and vice versa.

    Eventually, Congress will weigh in, and hosiptals will adjust by spinning off locations into separate autonomous subsidiaries, further forcing Congress to modify their behavior.

    Another side effect of this cat and mouse game will be more inner city hospital closures. This will force cities and counties to take them over by eminent domain, and run them as gov. facilities.

    I had predicted that we would have a two tiered health system in this nation. Actually, I think it might be three tiered, with gov. running the bottom tier exclusively; insurance and some gov. supported in the vast middle tier; and “lexus level” care for HNW and those with very good insurance for the top tier. I also think that the skill set for the profession will be commensurate, and I pity the folks in the bottom government tier.

  134. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [134] out

    “It is in my best interest to keep my docs happy and if that means slipping them an envelope of cash to make up the difference between what the gov’t says their services are worth and what they and I think they are worth, I’ll do it. I’m just wondering if that will land me in jail.”

    That is a legitimate question, and I think you are right to fear criminalization.

    It could be that existing statutes may already be stretched to cover such “bribes” and I think it equally likely that both the doc. and patient could be charged.

    Going forward, I would absolutely expect legislation to outlaw that practice.

    I also expect that it will become the norm in nursing homes, if it isn’t already.

  135. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [35] yikes

    “Was/is Romney Care a success in Massachusetts?

    just curious.”

    Depends on your definition of success. The budget is out of control (Mass. may be almost as bad as NJ or ILL, but doesn’t get the press for it), delivery hasn’t improved (though it was always considered good); and enforcement of the mandatory buy-in is a bit of a problem.

    Big thing is budget though. Virtually everyone in gov. says that it is bankrupting the state.

  136. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    Time for me to get on a soapbox for the silent majority. Anyone else interested?

    “The IRS on Friday invited taxpayers to apply for a 3-year term on the Taxpayer Advisory Panel:

    The IRS is inviting civic-minded individuals to help improve the nation’s tax agency by applying to be members of the Taxpayer Advocacy Panel (“TAP”). The panel provides a forum for citizens from each state to make suggestions regarding IRS decision making. TAP members:

    Provide opportunities for citizen input and make recommendations to the IRS and Treasury on customer-service issues.
    Identify and prioritize taxpayer issues.
    Report annually to Treasury, the IRS and the National Taxpayer Advocate.
    Participate in meetings where taxpayers are invited to raise issues about their experiences with the IRS..
    To be a member of the TAP, you must be:

    A U.S. citizen
    Current with your federal tax obligations
    Able to commit 300 to 500 hours during the year
    Able to pass an FBI criminal background check.
    New TAP members will serve a three-year term starting in December 2010. Anyone chosen as an alternate member will be considered to fill any vacancies that open in their area during the next two years.

    The TAP is seeking members in the following locations: California, Colorado, Illinois, Michigan, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, Pennsylvania . . . .”

  137. Juice Box says:

    Don’t let anyone spin this as better heath care, that is not what is happening here.

    This Heath Care Bill is just a mad mad reach for Government revenue.All tax revenues generated by this program won’t go directly to heath care, but to debt service.

    FYI, we cannot borrow 10% of our GDP and spend it forward. This is not about health care, this is a a futile and permanent attempt to replace the now missing consumer demand portion of GDP and the missing taxes the government no longer has.Federal tax receipts are down a whopping 28% year over year.

    If we do not stop this idiocy we will soon be unable to fund Social Security, Medicare and Welfare in all its forms, leading to a breakdown of our society.

    If the Democrats succeed we will get our tax bill now and the promised health care never. That’s the fact jack.

  138. cobbler says:

    juice box [141]
    In a grand scheme of things there is no difference for GDP between you hire a landscaper for $100 to mow your lawn and government taxes you $100 and pays $50 to the landscaper to mow the lawn in the park and you pay $100 to the doc for the check-up and government uses $100 from your taxes to pay the doc for the check-up. Lion share of goods and services purchased in this country are not absolutely necessary, and many are plain marginal, this is why the demand shrank much more than the incomes in the recession.

  139. cobbler says:

    I mean, pays $100 to the landscaper…

  140. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [134] out,

    Also to your point, the first to feel the “criminalization” aspect of failing to serve enough medicare/aid will be the hospitals.

    http://www.leagle.com/unsecure/page.htm?shortname=inilco20100318211

    BTW, in tax circles, revocation of a nonprofit’s tax exempt status is called the “death penalty.”

  141. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    Finally, there is this from Tax Prof Blog:

    “IRS: The New Health Care Enforcer
    William A. Jacobson (Cornell), IRS: The New Health Care Enforcer:

    People often joke that government-run health care will have the efficiency of the motor vehicle department, and the compassion of the IRS. This joke will become reality if present Democratic health restructuring proposals are enacted.

    Under both the House and Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committee bills released to the public, the Internal Revenue Service will play a key role in monitoring and enforcing health care mandates against individual taxpayers. Yet the introduction of the IRS into the health care system has received scant attention.

    The Senate bill imposes a new requirement that all persons who provide health care coverage to others must file a return with the IRS listing the names, addresses, social security numbers, and the coverage period for each person, and “such other information as the Secretary [of Health and Human Services] may prescribe.” (Section 161(b) starting at page 107). The bill does not limit what information the Secretary may request, so it is conceivable and likely that information as to the nature of the coverage, the family members included, and other details will be reported to the IRS.

    The House bill contains similar provisions in section 401(b) (at pp. 175-176). …

    These reporting provisions would allow the IRS to cross-check income tax returns and health coverage filings, and withhold tax refunds or utilize other collection methods for persons who do not have coverage unless they can prove they have acceptable coverage from some other source. This is similar to the cross-checking the IRS does on income reported separately by the person making the payment and the taxpayer receiving the payment. But for the first time the IRS is not checking for income to tax, but for lack of health coverage.

    These provisions should have people interested in privacy greatly concerned. While income information already is reported to the IRS, the IRS traditionally has not received personal health care information about individuals.

    The IRS involved in health care monitoring and enforcement. Somehow, I doubt that most supporters of Democratic health care restructuring concepts will like this detail.”

    Personally, I love this part. Once all the folks who voted for Obama start getting deficiency notices from the IRS, or openly wonder why they have to disclose all this information, and further wonder why their premiums shot up if they do have coverage, it is gonna be fun seeing congresscritters backpedal

    Hope and change. You asked for it, you got it! Now live with it.

  142. SG says:

    N.J. school boards weigh tough options after Gov. Christie’s budget cuts

    Bridgewater-Raritan stands to lose 55 percent of its state aid, which Superintendent Michael Schilder said would result in $9 million in cuts to next year’s $136 million budget. The board had previously planned for $4.4 million in reductions, but the state aid figures released Wednesday would require it to cut more than twice that amount.

    Board members presented a tentative budget that would slash 180 jobs — including 95 teaching positions — eliminate several programs and electives in the middle and high schools, halt all middle school sports and institute a “pay-to-play” system for athletics and extracurricular activities at the high school level.

    “Words really can’t describe how we felt,” Schilder told parents Thursday. “It’s a really hollow, devastating feeling to know we had to cut a budget by $4.6 million that’s already been cut $4.4 million.”

  143. safeashouses says:

    #140 Nom,

    Is that a paying position? How sweet would that be to get paid by the man for once.

  144. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [147] safe

    No, it isn’t. But it likely has perks.

    Remember, I eventually want that gov. pension. It is the only way I am gonna get rich.

  145. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    You know a welfare program is poor when even liberals criticize it:

    “Alstott Presents Why the EITC Doesn’t Make Work Pay Today at Penn

    Anne Alstott (Harvard) presents Why the EITC Doesn’t Make Work Pay, 73 Law & Contemp. Probs. ___ (2010), at Pennsylvania today as part of its Center for Tax Law and Policy Seminar Series hosted by Chris William Sanchirico and Reed Shuldiner. Here is the abstract:

    Since 1975, the earned income tax credit (EITC) has transformed from a small, obscure provision of the federal tax code into one of the largest programs in the U.S. social welfare system. Today, the EITC provides $47 billion in benefits each year to 24 million workers and their families. Bill Clinton famously called the EITC “a cornerstone of our effort to reform the welfare system and make work pay.”

    But a closer look calls into question the claim that the EITC makes work pay. U.S. law entrenches family poverty in the United States, making it impossible for the EITC — or any other modest earnings subsidy – to make meaningful reductions in poverty, even among workers. According to realistic measures of social inclusion and economic well-being, the EITC reduces poverty only modestly, and even the maximum credit falls short of closing the gap between low-wage earnings and poverty. At the same time, gaps in other social welfare programs leave low-income workers vulnerable to the job disruptions that characterize low-wage work – when the EITC provides no assistance at all. . . .”

  146. Nomad says:

    #134 Out of Stater

    Here is your legal answer – P&G I had heard owns a piece of this

    http://www.mdvip.com/newcorpwebsite/index.aspx

  147. Nomad says:

    Previous post is about a concierge healthcare program for those w $$ to pay for it.

  148. House Whine says:

    145-nom deplume: I must admit I have been completely ignoring the health care initiatives because I am too preoccupied with the economy and how it affects me and my family. But I did read your post and this is scary to me. Can you enlighten to me as to what the reasoning is behind mandating everyone to have health insurance? Are they treating it like they treat auto insurance as being compulsory coverage in NJ? On its face I didn’t think I was against the whole health care initiative but now that I read that you MUST have it or else I am indeed concerned. Thanks for any explanation you can give.

  149. Shore Guy says:

    About forcing people to buy insurance:

    Although we do require people tp buy car insurance, it only applies to people who decide to drive:

    Health insurance will apply to anyone who happen to be alive.

    This is a huge difference.

    I have no problem charging people who choose to NOT purchase insurance, for if they get sick society ends up paying for them, but ordering someone to purchase a product simply because they are living, that goes a bit far and I don’t think SCOTUS will allow. If the USG can order us to buy insurance, because it is good for us, why not require us to buy health club memberships, etc.?

  150. Shore Guy says:

    I wonder how many of the school districts who have lost all state aid will cut the school year to less than 180 days? The State has predicatedreceiving aid on holding at least 180 days. If one receives any aid…..

  151. Barbara says:

    Shore,
    we either “buy” it individually, or we “buy” it universally or we “buy” it by paying inflated premiums to cover the charity work in the ER. All I know is, I’m “buying” it no matter what and I’d rather not be in the charity business against my will.

  152. Outofstater says:

    #154 But even those districts that lost all state aid had a real budget cut of no more than 5%, right? They can’t spread a 5% reduction over all areas, salaries, supplies, field trips, etc?

  153. A.West says:

    Got into the budget cuts at dance class pickup. A dad was arguing w A schoolteacher (tenured, westfield) whose daughter (junior, Warren) was in tears, convinced that if she can only go to a large engineering class rather than AP engineering class, she won’t be accepted into a good uni, and her future will be ruined. The dad and I said this budget crisis has been building for years, education establishment is going to inflict max pain on the kids for bargaining power, but parents and taxpayers have to fight back. Also pointed out that this talented and bright kid had a great future to make for herself, regardless of the size of her engineering class next year.

  154. Shore Guy says:

    Barbara,

    I agree that society is PAYING. I also agree that somethig needs to be done; however, I do not believe that the Roberts’ Court will uphold this mandate, as it currently stands. It is mandating the purcase of a private product simply for being alive, as such it is different from auto-insurance mandates.

  155. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [150,151] nomad

    Thanks, had forgotten about concierge care companies.

  156. Barbara says:

    A West, right on. Made that point at fri night dinner (I had more than one martini and was not so good) with school principal in family. We are all finally being forced to grow up and start taking responsibility for our municipal govt as well as our state. In previous elections it was all about Trenton, now its about your town hall.

  157. A.West says:

    Outofstater, the education establishment will protect their own, slash the untenured, low cost up and comers, and maximize the pain to the customer, hoping to generate an anti-cuts backlash. I’m hoping they miscalculate and get swept out by future elections.

  158. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [152] house

    Essentially, you already know it. Under the bill, if you don’t have healthcare thru an employer or gov. aid, you pay a fee (don’t call it a tax—-Obama says it isn’t).

    The fee is phased out depending on income, so if you are poor or moderate income, you don’t pay it.

    A lot of kids who supported the One are gonna be in for a surprise.

    BTW, you don’t work for a small business do you? They are gonna get slammed under this legislation, and will either get smaller still to avoid it; move overseas; or stop being small businesses by becoming no businesses.

  159. Barbara says:

    158.
    I hope it does go to the SCOTUS because like this Christie thing, all this drama is going to force the American people to a) grow the F up about this issue and b) demand that Congress get something done about it or vote them out.

    Its “git yer head out of your a**” time for America.

  160. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    Speaking of things that are not taxes on the middle class because we say they aren’t . . .

    “Three Senators’ Proposal Could Expand
    Offshore Drilling, Impose Petroleum Taxes

    Three senators are closing in on a compromise climate bill that would expand offshore drilling but could require oil companies to pay taxes on the carbon content of each barrel of imported and domestic oil, sources familiar with the outline told BNA March 19.

    Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) late March 18 briefed the heads of the National Wildlife Federation, League of Conservation Voters, and other environmental groups on an outline of the senators’ draft bill. It includes a cap-and-trade program that in 2012 would cover only the power sector.
    Kerry has been working for months with Sens. Lindsay Graham (R-S.C.) and Joseph Lieberman (I-Conn.) to develop compromise legislation. The senators have been meeting with industry and environmental groups for months on a climate legislation compromise.
    Manufacturing and industrial sources of greenhouse gas emissions would get a four-year reprieve but would be brought under the cap-and-trade program in 2016, while transportation emissions would be cut through an “upstream” fee linked to the carbon content of fuel, according to participants in the briefing. . . .

    Graham told BNA that the carbon fee would be placed on the transportation sector in lieu of covering refineries and other operations under the cap-and-trade system. The fee would be collected “on the barrel” from oil companies before that oil is refined into gasoline and other fuels, he said.
    “This is a simple concept that addresses transportation emissions, but it’s refinery-friendly,” Graham said. “We don’t want to drive refineries offshore,” he said, because that would defeat the bill’s purpose of enhancing domestic production and energy independence. . . .

    Cost Passed to Consumers
    Ultimately, the cost of a carbon tax or fee would be passed downstream in higher fuel costs. But the senators plan to rebate consumers roughly 50 percent of the revenues raised by the cap-and-trade plan covering the power sector and manufacturers, Graham said. . . .

    . . . the carbon prices set in the cap-and-trade system would likely be used to determine the tax on barrels of oil, according to environmental group representatives briefed by Kerry March 18.

    I can see it now: “About those rebates, uh, yeah, there was a problem, see, so we’re gonna need to keep that money. . . .”

  161. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [155] barbara,

    “I’d rather not be in the charity business against my will.”

    As Capt. Barbosa said “You’d best start believing in ghost stories, Ms. Turner. You’re in one!”

  162. Juice Box says:

    This reminds me of the rash of suicides at NYU back in 2003.

    Two suspected suicides confirmed at Cornell; total now at six

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/03/20/new.york.cornell.suicides/index.html?hpt=T2

  163. Barbara says:

    comrade,
    I realize but this one is costing me about 400 in extra premiums month. Lets just fix *a* problem already and save the poli-tainment for a time when we can better afford it.

  164. d2b says:

    I will admit that I have not paid attention to the healthcare debate. I think most business have not as we are doing what we can to survive. There is a general helplessness felt by me and my customers. Between the city, state, and federal government taxes and fees the pie gets smaller and smaller. Outrage over legislation just doesn’t do any good anymore.
    This is the reward that one gets for living and conservative lifestyle and paying one’s bills.
    I’m close to pulling a freedy, walking away from everything and going to teach at a local community college.

  165. Barbara says:

    d2b,
    it is complete insanity to be self employed in NJ. I am insane.

  166. cobbler says:

    shore [153]
    According to all surveys, large majority in the country wants insurance companies to eliminate pre-existing conditions as a reason for denying coverage. If it is done, without an individual mandate it doesn’t make any sense financially to buy coverage until you get really ill, which will quite quickly destroy the whole premise of insurance. I’d personally give people a choice of paying a tax penalty (but be able to get coverage later) or not paying and agreeing to pay out-of-pocket for whatever disaster hits them for a certain number of months/years or $$ spend.

  167. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [153] shore

    ” If the USG can order us to buy insurance, because it is good for us, why not require us to buy health club memberships, etc.?”

    I think that the Dems have a different approach:

    http://books.google.com/books?id=WEkEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA29&lpg=PA29&dq=photograph+of+group+calisthenics,+soviet&source=bl&ots=D8azCK0AOJ&sig=1hsOR4GeQHir6-FEPgls4p2p9as&hl=en&ei=T2imS7LED8GBlAeauOh2&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CBYQ6AEwBDgK#v=onepage&q=&f=false

  168. Barbara says:

    170. Cobbler,
    in NJ you cannot be denied for pre-existing BUT insurance cos can hold off for 6 months. Thats enough to deter me from pulling that kind of stunt. There are ways to do this and they already exist, we need to pull them all together.

  169. Barbara says:

    but fixing a problem? Where’s the fun in that?

  170. Barbara says:

    There’s a lot of money in those Buy Gold sponsors, better keep the hyperbole going.

  171. chicagofinance says:

    It’s the same all the time, it just so happens that this group did it in spectacular fashion……I did a report on it as an undergrad….point the finger in one of three places: the parents; Cornell will b!tch slap those who have been coddled, some can’t take it; no sense of proportion.

    I say the school does everyone a favor and future employers know it. That is why people hire from that school over others. Hard workers with less attitude pound for pound…

    168.Juice Box says:
    March 21, 2010 at 2:27 pm
    This reminds me of the rash of suicides at NYU back in 2003.
    Two suspected suicides confirmed at Cornell; total now at six
    http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/03/20/new.york.cornell.suicides/index.html?hpt=T2

  172. Barbara says:

    *drinks*

  173. Jim says:

    I wonder what dirty backroom deals are going on right now to try and pass the health care bill.

  174. Shore Guy says:

    I understand the problem of eliminating the exclusion for preexisting conditions without some mechanism to prevent people from waiting to buy insurance until they are sick. I for one would prefer a charge for those who do not purchase coverage. Make it twice the cost of a typical insurance premium if you want. This would discourage the behavior you desxribe without a government mandate to buy a private product.

    This would also pay for uninsured people who get emergency care, so the rest of don’t have to.

  175. Shore Guy says:

    I have not seen the CU score yet. Did they put it to Wisc.

  176. leftwing says:

    “If this thing passes, will it be illegal for patients to pay our docs beyond what the gov’t says we can pay?”

    That was HillaryCare, not sure if this abomination incorporates it as well.

    Also, don’t confuse concierge services (which are mostly wellness) with paying additional out of your pocket above the insurance amount. It is already illegal for docs to accept anything over the Medicare payment.

    Good new business plan – Offshore Medical Inc. Locate in Bermuda or such, have top end surgeons and patients fly down for the dicey stuff where the difference in treatment really matters, recuperate on the island, go home.

    Of course, the other 99.8% of the population is screwed but hey, we are nothing but vassals of the desires and Hope of the Chosen One. Fealty and infidelitas forever, now our bodies are yours….

  177. leftwing says:

    GO BIG RED!!!!

    Sweet 16, baby!!!!

  178. NJGator says:

    Outofstater 156 – In a district like ours 83% of the budget is salaries and benefits. If we can’t convince the employees to reopen their contracts, then in order to cut 5% of the total budget we have to cut almost 30% from everything else or fire a lot of people.

  179. Theo says:

    #175

    I think it’s just reversion to mean.

  180. sas says:

    “What’s with the “anti public schools” messages here? Some guy somewhere at a Home Depot is overweight and cannot communicate, and “all public schooling is bad”? Proof by example of 1 in 100 million!”

    read John Taylor Gatto’s work.

    This guy is spot on…as spot on can be when it comes to the public schools systems.

    SAS

  181. sas says:

    “China to respond if hit by U.S. trade sanctions: MOFCOM”
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/21/AR2010032100130.html

  182. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    time to quit medicine…

    sl

  183. Outofstater says:

    #182 Gator – Then we shall see if all their bleating about it all being “for the children” is true. If they don’t re-open their contracts, it’s a big f u to the kids and the union will be showing its true colors and the taxpayers will respond accordingly, now and in the future.(Note: I have had two glasses of wine and nothing to eat so I may not be making sense.)

  184. sas says:

    “time to quit medicine”

    you can’t, you gotta pay off that student loan.
    besides, how much of your life did you waste…err…dedicate to the profession?

    SAS

  185. willwork4beer says:

    186 still

    Doc, if you’re out, where does that leave allied health folks like me?

    I don’t know how to make bagels but I’m a quick study. In the meantime, I have considerable experience in the custodial arts. Bagel shops need to have bathrooms, right?

  186. veto that says:

    “Cornell will b!tch slap those who have been coddled, some can’t take it; no sense of proportion.
    I say the school does everyone a favor and future employers know it. That is why people hire from that school over others. Hard workers with less attitude pound for pound…”

    let me guess. Most cant hack it but you can?
    hence, you are alive to tell about it.

    Maybe you should put the suicide count as a line on your resume.

    This fkcing sick.

  187. leftwing says:

    SAS

    Don’t rub sl too hard, she’s one of the good ones…

  188. Dissident HEHEHE says:

    It’s officially Spring, Xavier is back in the Sweet Sixteen! Sweet revenge on those SH*TT Panthers.

  189. This is truly awesome Thanks for putting this out there

  190. leftwing says:

    Not her fault some soc!al!st pig is yanking the rug out from under her…

  191. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    Left,

    Thank you – I’m fine…. just need to figure a new venue.

    sl

  192. cobbler says:

    Waterloo

    Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing legislative defeat since the 1960s.

    It’s hard to exaggerate the magnitude of the disaster. Conservatives may cheer themselves that they’ll compensate for today’s expected vote with a big win in the November 2010 elections. But:

    (1) It’s a good bet that conservatives are over-optimistic about November – by then the economy will have improved and the immediate goodies in the healthcare bill will be reaching key voting blocs.

    (2) So what? Legislative majorities come and go. This healthcare bill is forever. A win in November is very poor compensation for this debacle now.

    So far, I think a lot of conservatives will agree with me. Now comes the hard lesson:

    A huge part of the blame for today’s disaster attaches to conservatives and Republicans ourselves.

    At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994.

    Only, the hardliners overlooked a few key facts: Obama was elected with 53% of the vote, not Clinton’s 42%. The liberal block within the Democratic congressional caucus is bigger and stronger than it was in 1993-94. And of course the Democrats also remember their history, and also remember the consequences of their 1994 failure.

    This time, when we went for all the marbles, we ended with none.

    Could a deal have been reached? Who knows? But we do know that the gap between this plan and traditional Republican ideas is not very big. The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994.

    Barack Obama badly wanted Republican votes for his plan. Could we have leveraged his desire to align the plan more closely with conservative views? To finance it without redistributive taxes on productive enterprise – without weighing so heavily on small business – without expanding Medicaid? Too late now. They are all the law.

    No illusions please: This bill will not be repealed. Even if Republicans scored a 1994 style landslide in November, how many votes could we muster to re-open the “doughnut hole” and charge seniors more for prescription drugs? How many votes to re-allow insurers to rescind policies when they discover a pre-existing condition? How many votes to banish 25 year olds from their parents’ insurance coverage? And even if the votes were there – would President Obama sign such a repeal?

    We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and they led us to abject and irreversible defeat.

    There were leaders who knew better, who would have liked to deal. But they were trapped. Conservative talkers on Fox and talk radio had whipped the Republican voting base into such a frenzy that deal-making was rendered impossible. How do you negotiate with somebody who wants to murder your grandmother? Or – more exactly – with somebody whom your voters have been persuaded to believe wants to murder their grandmother?

    I’ve been on a soapbox for months now about the harm that our overheated talk is doing to us. Yes it mobilizes supporters – but by mobilizing them with hysterical accusations and pseudo-information, overheated talk has made it impossible for representatives to represent and elected leaders to lead. The real leaders are on TV and radio, and they have very different imperatives from people in government. Talk radio thrives on confrontation and recrimination. When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted President Obama to fail, he was intelligently explaining his own interests. What he omitted to say – but what is equally true – is that he also wants Republicans to fail. If Republicans succeed – if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office – Rush’s listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds.

    So today’s defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, it’s mission accomplished. For the cause they purport to represent, it’s Waterloo all right: ours.

    from frumforum.com

  193. cobbler says:

    sl[195]
    You’ll do fine – little fewer charity patients, little more Medicaid, everything else the same.

  194. All "H-Train" Hype says:

    still_looking:

    Look on the bright side. Tomorrow morning you will now be able to speak French cause we will undergo a wonderful transformation from the USA to France.

    We will transform like a beautiful butterfly….

  195. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    SAS, 188

    FYI, I paid off my debt already.

    While others were buying homes to flip in early 2000, I was living in a small 1 BR apt for $750 a month, utilities included, and writing checks for $30K at a time to pay it off.

    I am debt-free. Completely.

    Maybe you’d understand when you work for free 33% of the time and await the next disgruntled f.uck who tries to “hit the jackpot” by suing you…

    As for sacrifice? You will *never* ever know how much I’ve sacrificed to “stamp out disease and make the world a better place…”

    And no. I don’t push pills, or encourage addictions — as an ER doc, I do quite the opposite.

    But thanks… I don’t consider it a waste… like your “indigestion” you had a few weeks ago… my worry was “I hope he’s not having an inferior wall MI (heart attack) – maybe I should ask…”

    Sadly, I actually do care.

    I don’t consider it a waste, but thanks for cheapening my experience.

    sl

  196. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    AH, 198 little brother… ready to transform into a personal trainer for a month.

    No, I’m not kidding.

    sl

  197. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    That should be “month?”

  198. Fabius Maximus says:

    Looks like I’m one of the very few in here cheering for healthcare reform.

  199. All "H-Train" Hype says:

    still_looking:

    Nancy Pelosi called again. She said that you should be happy working free 50% of the time. She knows what it like to struggle, after all her hubby is worth 150 million.

  200. Barbara says:

    Fabius
    wish I could get excited about it, but as a self employed single payer in NJ, it won’t do squat for me. I won’t see a dime cheaper, a fee hike less, a smaller copay – same as it ever was.

  201. Final Doom says:

    stater (98)-

    N Iowa has been in the tourney several times & always put a scare into opponents. Honestly, for the style of play the NCAA requires, they’re as good as any team playing.

    They may be this year’s George Mason.

  202. sas3 says:

    still,

    Fewer charity patients replaced by other patients with insurance coverage. Seems like the AMA likes the bill. What are the big changes?

    There is no single payer (yet), and there is on National Health Service. It is even likely that the load on ER’s will be a bit lower. Nom’s explanation of Mayo’s decision in AZ notwithstanding (Mayo does the business a bit differently than others).

    Keeping aside political beliefs, how can something that would make it easier for more people to purchase insurance be a drastic thing?

    S

  203. cobbler says:

    fabius[202]
    Well, I’d rather have French-style single payer coverage, but with the new bill I, at least, will be able to have a policy I can afford if my bosses fire me and COBRA ends.

  204. Final Doom says:

    My first job was working for a vet. Large animal. By the end of the Summer, I was doing pregnancy tests on cows.

    sl probably has an idea of what’s involved with that. Suffice it to say, elbow-deep in cow ass is a helluva way to spend a 97-degree Tennessee afternoon.

  205. Nomad says:

    #178

    “This would also pay for uninsured people who get emergency care, so the rest of don’t have to.”

    If everyone has coverage, will all the ER visits for non-emergency treatment go away as these folks will now have access to primary care?

    What is the economic disincentive for this group if they now have coverage and still use the ER for a source of primary care?

    Who reaps the savings for the reduction in ER use as a primary care facility? Do the people paying these new taxes for all of this get a refund check?

  206. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    cobbler, 197

    Medicaid pays me less than $20 per patient ***regardless of the diagnosis! that means sore throat? $20, Heart attack? $20 Septic, ventilated, critically ill? Taking hours of my time? $20.

    Government would be happy to have me work for free even more… People don’t want primary care physicians, they want Treatment! Now! and Testing! Now! and more importantly, we hear, “And I have insurance!”

    Yeah. Medicaid. Want to know how many times I hear, “Dr. So&so doesn’t take my insurance any more…”

    Yeah. Medicaid. So they see us… My working life is about to become a worse living hell.

    sl

  207. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    AH, 203.

    Ugh. Now you owe me…

    sl

  208. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    Nomad, 209

    My 210 answers your 209.

    sl

  209. Final Doom says:

    I’m glad I realized I was fuct a couple of years ago.

    It saves me the pain of having today be the day I first realized it.

    As a self-employed/indy contractor/small business owner, I’d say it’s game over.

  210. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    Doom 208

    I feel your pain.

    I live it. In the asshole of the hospital, the ER.

    sl

  211. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    Sas3, 206

    There is no single payer (yet), and there is on National Health Service. It is even likely that the load on ER’s will be a bit lower.

    See above. Regular doctors, REAL doctors who have functioning practices DON’T take medicaid.

    They see us. Sure. Everyone is insured, but they really aren’t. I live it already.

    sl

  212. cobbler says:

    sl [197]
    Sorry about that – but even $20 is something, and charity care pays nothing at all… I guess, with more people on Medicaid there will be more interest in dealing with massive fraud there, and hopefully the payments for real work will get closer to costs.

  213. Final Doom says:

    cobbler, you are a disgusting piece of shit. I hope you get hit by a car and sl gets to watch you bleed out, you pig-ass soci@list.

  214. reinvestor101 says:

    Frum is a stinking damn liberal and I don’t know why in the HELL he even wrote this shlt.

    I’m what’s known as an damn oddity nowadays. I’m a true rock ribbed American patriot who supports liberty and freedom and people like me don’t want some damn liberal socialist strinking health care jammed down our damn throats. I refuse to buy a damn thing related to health insurance and I will deliberately DIE without health insurance BEFORE I’m forced to spend one damn red cent on a government takeover of my damn health.

    I hope Frum shows his ass up at a town hall soon. He’s nothing but a damn pantywaist turncoat stinking liberal.

    cobbler says:
    March 21, 2010 at 8:09 pm
    Waterloo

    Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing legislative defeat since the 1960s.

    It’s hard to exaggerate the magnitude of the disaster. Conservatives may cheer themselves that they’ll compensate for today’s expected vote with a big win in the November 2010 elections. But:

    (1) It’s a good bet that conservatives are over-optimistic about November – by then the economy will have improved and the immediate goodies in the healthcare bill will be reaching key voting blocs.

    (2) So what? Legislative majorities come and go. This healthcare bill is forever. A win in November is very poor compensation for this debacle now.

  215. Final Doom says:

    sl, you and me gotta put our heads together and figure out how to game this sick new world.

  216. Final Doom says:

    Getting closer and closer to the time when we need to start voting with bullets.

  217. reinvestor101 says:

    Hell yeah. I’ll co-sign on this statement. Cobbler, you make me sick, you stinking liberal. The only good thing you’ve done is gotten a reprieve for someone’s mangy flea bitten mutt.

    Final Doom says:
    March 21, 2010 at 8:35 pm
    cobbler, you are a disgusting piece of shit. I hope you get hit by a car and sl gets to watch you bleed out, you pig-ass soci@list.

  218. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    there’s a doc talking on the floor now…

    he is spot on.

    sl

  219. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    Doom,

    You name the date/time, I’ll bring the Johnny Blue.

    sl

  220. Fabius Maximus says:

    Great line from Lynn Woosley.

    “Being a woman is a pre-existing condidtion”

    Never a truer word spoken.

  221. gary says:

    I don’t know why you all are getting so excited over this, haven’t you heard? It’s contained to subprime.

  222. njescapee says:

    ok, when these dopes talk about fixing healthcare disparities it appears they want to bring standards down to the lowest common denominator. oh except for healthcare providers in DC capital hill area.

  223. safeashouses says:

    I’m starting to get bullish on NJ. The Fat Man is walking tall.

  224. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    Listening to these f*cks is unbearable…

    They could have voted for any of these items as separate legislation if they really wanted.

    Elimination of preexisting conditions

    Oversight of health insurance companies.

    Instead, they want to pass a bill packed with all sorts of goodies for themselves and their cronies.

    F.uck them.

    sl

  225. Nomad says:

    SL – would you ever consider becoming part of something like VIP MD or is the pitch to join all rosey and then you get screwed on the backend.

    I would think there is a big segment of our population (caregiver and patients) that may find this route more appealing.

    I assume if you refuse Medicare patients, that can kill your practice in terms of volume.

    Need to load up your office W/CLIA waived tests.

  226. All "H-Train" Hype says:

    SL & Clot:

    I just picked up a bottle of Edradour 2 weeks ago in the UK. Let em know when you meet, I will bring the bottle. You cannot get it in the USA.

    I am a heavy pour because I cannot stand the taste of scotch.

    http://www.edradour.co.uk/main2.html

  227. safeashouses says:

    #148 Nom,

    That position still sounds interesting. I wonder what kind of perks you’d get with it.

  228. Mr Hyde says:

    NJ Escapee

    Yep, Lowest common denominator is indeed the obvious goal here.

    SL, Cobbler

    Cobbler, you sir do not seem to see the big picture. How many people and what quality of people are going to be going to medical school when you end up with 300K in debt and are getting $20 per patient.
    Yes, i am oversimplifying this, but the end point is that the economics of becoming a doctor no longer match the financial “Reward” or lack there of.

    What the current effort at healthcare reform is doing is actually generating a shortage of qualified doctors. It wont happen overnight but in 5-10 years it could be a serious issue. And the really F’ing amusing part of all of this is that the end result is a highly stratified healthcare system were most people get “walmart” grade healthcare of the subsequent quality and competency, while those who have money, the “wealthy” can pay cash or go abroad and get high quality high level healthcare.

    Isnt the stratification of the system what they want to remove???? HAHAHA unintended consequences are a b1tch!

    If you know much about healthcare, you will know that there is already an issue of getting people in GP (General Practice). The only way to currently make money as a doctor is to go into a limited number of high end specialties.

    The stratification has already begun and is well underway!

    I am all for reform but as usual they seem to have chosen the worst possible method. Any bastardized version of what currently exists is doomed to failure.

  229. cobbler says:

    clot [217]
    I am afraid that reading my posts brings you close to choking on your own spit… ER care will be quite costly in this case…

    If you buy a ticket and fly to Paris and break your leg or have a heart attack there, your care and chances for full recovery will be as good or better as here, and costs will be 3x less. What does it have to do with liberty and apple pie?

  230. leftwing says:

    Re: Waterloo

    I’m fine with the outcome, if this bill passes.

    Compromise is not an end, but the means to an acceptable end. Where the Administration wanted to go was not acceptable.

    The Compromise Party of GWB, Dole, Medicare Part D, etc. is nothing I want part of and is better off buried than stumbling around without purpose and principle. I would not give a second thought to its demise.

    Your quote also assumes one has to win, something, all the time in order to win longer term.

    Play something high stakes – cards, options, doesn’t matter. You win not by winning a little each time, but by winning big more than the other guy. If you’re afraid to lose, you will. I’m not afraid to lose.

    Shutting OCare down is a big win. Passage is a loss but he beat me by leaving a lot of face cards in the deck. Let’s see what the next hands bring…I just need someone with b@!!s at the table and not some little pony-tailed thing that’s going to get up and screech the first time she drops a hand.

    November can’t come too soon….

  231. Mr Hyde says:

    Sl,

    we need 2 new laws.

    1: by law, only 1 subject allowed per bill. No exceptions.

    2: Each senator/congressman must sign an affidavit for each bill stating that they acknowledge they have read every page of the document and have a full understanding of its material, upon penalty of perjury.

  232. Mr Hyde says:

    Cobbler,

    you want france? then pass single payer healthcare and have the government pay for medical school for all american doctors. You would also have to bust up the Pharma lobby as the US is the Pharma cash cow of the world and is used as exactly that.

    Lets talk when medical school is funded by the government in a single payer system that allows the re-importation of drugs.

  233. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    Hyde, 235

    AMEN BROTHER!

    sl

  234. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    We are “Atlas Shrugged.”

    I need a scotch. Now.

    sl

  235. cobbler says:

    kettle [232]
    SL getting paid $20 per ER patient is as unfair as ENT doc getting paid $650 by Cigna for looking into my nose for about 1.5 minutes via flexible fiberoptic thingy (received a statement of benefits 2 weeks ago, still amazed – even called Cigna and spent 20 min. on hold before hearing that this is a standard reimbursement, and no overbilling). This disparity, ridiculousness, whatever, is happening with the current system. I don’t think you can make these things any worse by putting some regulation into them; there is a fighting chance for making them better.

  236. cobbler says:

    kettle [236]
    I am actually for single-payer system and for fully govt-paid medical education, so you don’t need to persuade me… Though, our military consistently has problems recruiting medical students into the program where all education expenses are paid (+ they give living allowance) in exchange for serving as a military doc for 4 or 5 years.

    Drugs are only 10% of our healthcare costs, by bullying and abusing pharma and biotech you can get them down to 7%, it will cost you much more 10 or 20 years down the line in hospital and nursing home care. On generics, no other country in the world has such a free-for-all obscenity as Hatch-Waxman.

  237. Confused in NJ says:

    Interesting that the Union Medical Plans are not subject to the High Value Tax. I guess that means the only decent, not taxed medical plans, will be Teachers, Police, Firemen & Politicians.

  238. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    OMIFG!!!

    This guy actually said the words, “Tort Reform!”

    sl

  239. WTF says:

    Still looking,

    If this legislation is so bad, then why is the AMA supporting it?

  240. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    What AMA?

    I’m not a member, nor are the majority of my colleagues members.

    I am a member of ACEP as a condition of my company’s contract requirement only.

    My FAAEM status is voluntary and in earnest.

    sl

  241. sas says:

    sl,

    don’t worry about it.
    we all work for the man, in one way or another.

    next time I’m in an American hospital, we will have to shew away the chickens off the OR table.

    and if your 65 or over… you can forget about it. your a goner.

    SAS

  242. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    Are you listening to the debate?

    Every physician legislator is against this bill.

    They know better.

    The government could pass simple legislation to prohibit pre existing exclusions.

    The devil is in the details… don’t worry.. there will be global insurance.

    And no doctors to accept it.

    sl

  243. sas says:

    “And no doctors to accept it.”

    will there even be any in the future?
    or will they come from non-accredited schools after University’s loose their accreditation due to lack of funds from the states to the univs.

    they better bring back affirmative action and bring in a few minorities and hope for federal funds.

    Hello Granada & Carribbean.
    Goodbye Your state Univ.

    SAS

  244. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    …sigh. Boehner.

    I think I’m in love.

    A guy who speaks logic and common sense.

    sl

  245. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    SAS 247

    I was at a hospital doctor’s get together last week.

    I am a minority — and it was all women.

    sl

  246. sas says:

    “A guy who speaks logic and common sense”

    you must be talking about me.
    :P

    SAS

  247. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    Need to go vomit now.

    sl

  248. sas says:

    “and it was all women”

    I didn’t think women (or asians) were considered a minority in the university systems?

    SAS

  249. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    F.uck Pelosi, F.uck Pelosi.

    I hope they fu.cking Botox her Phrenic nerves.

    F.ucking Bitch.

    F.uck her, that f.ucking bitch.

    sl

  250. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    SAS

    They were 75% asian.

    Caucs are fleeeeeeeing.

    sl

  251. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    Wanna laugh?

    One Indian GI was bitching to me about an Indian (!) patient, that he KNEW had money was on Medicaid!! They hid all their income.

    He was pissed! I told him to get used to it.

    sl

  252. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    GI= gastroenterologist.

    sl

  253. still_looking aka Tan-Less says:

    Please. Someone. Make that f.ucking Tales from the Crypt bitch GO. Away.

    sl

  254. sas says:

    sl,

    have a jack & coke and watch soylent green.

    :P
    SAS

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    SL we could use a good bagel shop here in Key West.

  256. sas3 says:

    SL,

    Since the newly insured people will have to buy insurance from non-governmental agencies (no public option), is that a positive? Based on your responses so far, there is some strong negatives that you see that I am not aware of, so please see my questions in that light, and not as a counter-argument.

    My baseline comparison — insurance costs at ER for my toddler come out about $400+ basically for waiting room, some bacterial culture test, motrin and/or antibiotic prescription. Ten years ago, my insurance paid similar amounts for stitches on face (don’t ask, too boring a set of injuries!).

    S

  257. Yikes says:

    health care reform passes, Jamil weeps

  258. Confused in NJ says:

    The Christian Scientists who don’t believe in Healtcare must be upset, now that they have to buy Obamacare death insurance or go to prison. But, maybe Pelosi will save the prison cost and just make it a mandatory capital punishement crime. It will be interesting to see how the 37 states that are passing laws against mandatory death care fare.

  259. Confused in NJ says:

    I think Dr. Josef Mengele practiced this form of Mandatory Medical Care in Germany during the 1940’s. In fact he was probably the father of mandatory chemotherapy on the sheeple.

  260. Barbara says:

    all I want to know is, how long before we can kill off the old people? I hoping for a Logan’s Run style system with a 78 yr old cut off and an awesome “chase” scene involving walkers and Rascals.

  261. Barbara says:

    it will be the shortest chase scene in Hollywood history.

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    I realized I mixed my references. Death Race and Logans Run and On Golden Pond.

  263. Mr Hyde says:

    I think we can be sure that the healthcare bill sees a constitutional challenge right off the bat.

    The 2 questions i have are, does it actually have a chance at surviving such a challenge, and can obama enforces it before any course case is settled, or is some sort of stay issued preventing that?

  264. Mr Hyde says:

    Barb,

    i want to a combo of Running Man and Escape from NY

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  266. cobbler says:

    confused [262, 263]
    Your posts are tasteless and outright disgusting. The words you are using (death care, Dr. Mengele) can please only jamil.

  267. cobbler says:

    kettle [267]
    As a private contractor, why do you oppose the bill that will allow you not to go bankrupt if you, God forbid, become seriously ill before you are 65?

  268. Mr Hyde says:

    cobbler,

    will answer tomorrow. too much pron to look at right now ;)

  269. sas3 says:

    Since medicare has been “killing grannies” [TM] for so long, and most grannies should have already been on medicare, how will new bill, that mandates private insurance for new people, kill more grannies that have survived the first cut?

    The methane coming out of the mouths of GOP reps and tea baggers is a great renewable energy source. The movies to describe the orange man (Boehner) and the tea baggers are “liar liar”, “Rebel without a cause”, “zombies”, “Public enemies”.

  270. dan says:

    Cobbler,

    Are you serious? Bankruptcy prevented because you get sick? Cough, cough, I don’t feel good……wait, let me buy that million dollar mansion and fill up the garages with Mercedes and them Dear Leader I don’t feel so good. Granite counters, cough, cough

  271. Mr Hyde says:

    current IMF data shows the US with external debt at 96% of GDP and 748% of exports.

    Clot,

    Can i join the whiskey party?

  272. dan says:

    So, in conclusion of health reform. Doctors pissed, lawyers rejoicing, accountants sending resumes to work for IRS, contstruction workers still out of work, teachers and nurses keep their cadillac health plans, illegal immigrants soon to rejoice once Dear Leader legalizes them before next electon, small businesses getting smaller, luxury sales soon to drop, houses soon to drop even more since people now have less to spend in the housing landscape.

  273. cobbler says:

    dan [274]
    Right now, if you for whatever reason lose your insurance coverage (e.g. being a private contractor you don’t have earnings to pay for it for some time) and develop a medical condition, you can’t get coverage, and are forced to spend down everything you have and then declare bankruptcy if your bills exceed your assets. After this you possibly may become eligible for Medicaid and if not, for charity care.

  274. Mr Hyde says:

    Zombies!!!!!!!

    Bank of England fretting about ‘zombie households’

    Charlie Bean, deputy governor of the Bank of England, is worried about zombie households. That, at least, is one of the lines buried away in his speech to Cambridge Univerisity alumni last night, which is well worth reading in its entirety. In our story, we focused this morning on his calculation that Quantitative Easing has effectively cut the government’s cost of borrowing by a full percentage point (more than the IMF had calculated in working paper not so long ago). The implication is that as and when it’s withdrawn we should prepare ourselves for a big increase in government interest rates. Ouch.

    28% of British adults out of work, official figures show

    A total of 10.6 million people either did not have a job, or have stopped looking for one, according to figures from the Office for National Statistics, which indicated that more people than ever before had abandoned the workplace – choosing instead to study, go on sick leave or just give up searching for a job. A record 149,000 left the workforce and became “economically inactive”, between November last year and January, the ONS said. These people more than offset the fall in the headline unemployment. Unemployment fell for the third month in a row, dropping by 33,000 to hit 2.45 million. It has yet to breach the symbolic 2.5 million mark, let alone the 3 million barrier that haunted the recessions of the early 1990s and 1980s.

    At least we arent alone….

  275. Mr Hyde says:

    Perhaps we all need to read the following:

    Zombie Survival & Defense:
    http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/

  276. Mr Hyde says:

    Cobbler,

    still awake….

    why do i have an issue with the healthcare bill?

    In 10 years the budget components comprised of interest expense and social security and medicare payments will exceed the entire current budget. In other words, interest, social security and medicare payments will easily exceed 20% of GDP by 2020. This leaves what for the rest? No healthcare for the poor anymore under medicaid. No student loan support. No bridges and highways. No support for air traffic control. No federal support for public schools. Defense will still be there, but with just the basics, the federal budget will easily top 25% of GDP, and if even a skeletal discretionary budget remains, it will likely approach 30% of GDP.

    We cannot afford what he have much less a more expensive version.

    None of this is a surprise. What we see today and tomorrow is simply the current climactic chapter of a story begun in the early 80’s. We have been on the course to financial suicide for 20 years.

  277. Shore Guy says:

    SL,

    After allocating taxes and malpractice insurance, does the $20 even leave enough to pay for coffee?

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  279. bullrun says:

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  280. Confused in NJ says:

    270.270.cobbler says:
    March 21, 2010 at 11:45 pm
    confused [262, 263]
    Your posts are tasteless and outright disgusting. The words you are using (death care, Dr. Mengele) can please only jamil

    Cobbler, Obama & his ilk are tasteless and outright disgusting.

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