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		<title>By: marilyn</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2010/07/08/oh-yeah-i-want-them-to-tax-me-more-money/#comment-423767</link>
		<dc:creator>marilyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 23:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lived and owned a home in Hillsdale for a long long time.  I kind of got fed up with the taxes, cops, and everything for schumitzi attitude. Plus the house was an old wreck that really needed a total gut and I wanted out.  Sold when market was good. I needed to figure out what would be good for me.  So I moved to NW Morris County.  

Here is my honest assessment, I am debating which is worse Hillbillies or Schumitzi&#039;s!  I have not decided 100 percent yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived and owned a home in Hillsdale for a long long time.  I kind of got fed up with the taxes, cops, and everything for schumitzi attitude. Plus the house was an old wreck that really needed a total gut and I wanted out.  Sold when market was good. I needed to figure out what would be good for me.  So I moved to NW Morris County.  </p>
<p>Here is my honest assessment, I am debating which is worse Hillbillies or Schumitzi&#8217;s!  I have not decided 100 percent yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Final Doom</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2010/07/08/oh-yeah-i-want-them-to-tax-me-more-money/#comment-423391</link>
		<dc:creator>Final Doom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 10:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rev (221)-

It&#039;s been an artificial market since 1996, when the tax treatment on mtg interest and property taxes changed.

The next transition will be from artificial market to completely failed and collapsed market.

After the RE market completely fails, it will not recover in our lifetimes.

Ergo, you will probably never buy a house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rev (221)-</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been an artificial market since 1996, when the tax treatment on mtg interest and property taxes changed.</p>
<p>The next transition will be from artificial market to completely failed and collapsed market.</p>
<p>After the RE market completely fails, it will not recover in our lifetimes.</p>
<p>Ergo, you will probably never buy a house.</p>
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		<title>By: freedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>freedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 09:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will we have defaulters on the high end 
here in NJ. To close to NYC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will we have defaulters on the high end<br />
here in NJ. To close to NYC</p>
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		<title>By: Final Doom</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2010/07/08/oh-yeah-i-want-them-to-tax-me-more-money/#comment-423389</link>
		<dc:creator>Final Doom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 09:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rev (212)-

Generally, VA loans are the only easily assumable ones out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rev (212)-</p>
<p>Generally, VA loans are the only easily assumable ones out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Final Doom</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2010/07/08/oh-yeah-i-want-them-to-tax-me-more-money/#comment-423387</link>
		<dc:creator>Final Doom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 09:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The gubmint is rotten and corrupt to the core.  The first thing that must be done is to cut off the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The gubmint is rotten and corrupt to the core.  The first thing that must be done is to cut off the money.</p>
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		<title>By: Final Doom</title>
		<link>http://njrereport.com/index.php/2010/07/08/oh-yeah-i-want-them-to-tax-me-more-money/#comment-423386</link>
		<dc:creator>Final Doom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 09:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gluteus (192)-

You don&#039;t treat the addict by continuing to provide drugs.

&quot;Here is a novel concept, dont drop your revenues until you get your finances in order.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gluteus (192)-</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t treat the addict by continuing to provide drugs.</p>
<p>&#8220;Here is a novel concept, dont drop your revenues until you get your finances in order.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: meter</title>
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		<dc:creator>meter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 09:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kinda hope LeFraud never sniffs an NBA title. 

Seems way too full of himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kinda hope LeFraud never sniffs an NBA title. </p>
<p>Seems way too full of himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Revelations</title>
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		<dc:creator>Revelations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 05:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cobbler,

But the rich, by definition, have assets that the bank can pursue, right?  
In CA, the loans may be recourse for primary residences (if refinanced, HELOC&#039;d, or 2nd mtg) and bank pursues judicial foreclosure.  They are almost certainly recourse for second homes/ investment properties.  These would be a pretty big % of the loans, and I&#039;ve read that many are walking away in CA without fully understanding their risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cobbler,</p>
<p>But the rich, by definition, have assets that the bank can pursue, right?<br />
In CA, the loans may be recourse for primary residences (if refinanced, HELOC&#8217;d, or 2nd mtg) and bank pursues judicial foreclosure.  They are almost certainly recourse for second homes/ investment properties.  These would be a pretty big % of the loans, and I&#8217;ve read that many are walking away in CA without fully understanding their risk.</p>
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		<title>By: cobbler</title>
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		<dc:creator>cobbler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 04:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Biggest Defaulters on Mortgages Are the Rich&lt;/b&gt;
By DAVID STREITFELD
Published: July 8, 2010

LOS ALTOS, Calif. — No need for tears, but the well-off are losing their master suites and saying goodbye to their wine cellars.

The housing bust that began among the working class in remote subdivisions and quickly progressed to the suburban middle class is striking the upper class in privileged enclaves like this one in Silicon Valley.

Whether it is their residence, a second home or a house bought as an investment, the rich have stopped paying the mortgage at a rate that greatly exceeds the rest of the population.

More than one in seven homeowners with loans in excess of a million dollars are seriously delinquent, according to data compiled for The New York Times by the real estate analytics firm CoreLogic.

By contrast, homeowners with less lavish housing are much more likely to keep writing checks to their lender. About one in 12 mortgages below the million-dollar mark is delinquent.

Though it is hard to prove, the CoreLogic data suggest that many of the well-to-do are purposely dumping their financially draining properties, just as they would any sour investment.

“The rich are different: they are more ruthless,” said Sam Khater, CoreLogic’s senior economist.
...........

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/09/business/economy/09rich.html?hp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Biggest Defaulters on Mortgages Are the Rich</b><br />
By DAVID STREITFELD<br />
Published: July 8, 2010</p>
<p>LOS ALTOS, Calif. — No need for tears, but the well-off are losing their master suites and saying goodbye to their wine cellars.</p>
<p>The housing bust that began among the working class in remote subdivisions and quickly progressed to the suburban middle class is striking the upper class in privileged enclaves like this one in Silicon Valley.</p>
<p>Whether it is their residence, a second home or a house bought as an investment, the rich have stopped paying the mortgage at a rate that greatly exceeds the rest of the population.</p>
<p>More than one in seven homeowners with loans in excess of a million dollars are seriously delinquent, according to data compiled for The New York Times by the real estate analytics firm CoreLogic.</p>
<p>By contrast, homeowners with less lavish housing are much more likely to keep writing checks to their lender. About one in 12 mortgages below the million-dollar mark is delinquent.</p>
<p>Though it is hard to prove, the CoreLogic data suggest that many of the well-to-do are purposely dumping their financially draining properties, just as they would any sour investment.</p>
<p>“The rich are different: they are more ruthless,” said Sam Khater, CoreLogic’s senior economist.<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/09/business/economy/09rich.html?hp" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/09/business/economy/09rich.html?hp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Revelations</title>
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		<dc:creator>Revelations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 04:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. I got the &quot;will never buy&quot; label too.  And as long as I feel like I&#039;m shopping in a artificial market, I definitely won&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. I got the &#8220;will never buy&#8221; label too.  And as long as I feel like I&#8217;m shopping in a artificial market, I definitely won&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Revelations</title>
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		<dc:creator>Revelations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 03:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat,

I think continued market manipulation by the gov&#039;t (mortgage rates, tax credits, relaxed underwriting/ down payment requirements, etc.) has dramatically increased the risk to the financially prudent.  These housing &quot;programs&quot; also distort housing stats, buyer/seller psychology, and bank behavior.

So far I haven&#039;t been able to come up with any decent mitigation plans to buying in a low rate/high price market..  It&#039;s treacherous if your horizon is 3-10 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat,</p>
<p>I think continued market manipulation by the gov&#8217;t (mortgage rates, tax credits, relaxed underwriting/ down payment requirements, etc.) has dramatically increased the risk to the financially prudent.  These housing &#8220;programs&#8221; also distort housing stats, buyer/seller psychology, and bank behavior.</p>
<p>So far I haven&#8217;t been able to come up with any decent mitigation plans to buying in a low rate/high price market..  It&#8217;s treacherous if your horizon is 3-10 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Fabius Maximus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fabius Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 03:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#210 Shore. 

A Flat Tax just means the middle class subsidizing the rich. Unless of corse you are going to add in unearned income and get rid corporate subsidies and tax breaks and loopholes. 

The graduated tax rates are fairer and better for society. The tax rates applied to the person making $60K are the exact same as the tax rates applied to the first $60K you make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#210 Shore. </p>
<p>A Flat Tax just means the middle class subsidizing the rich. Unless of corse you are going to add in unearned income and get rid corporate subsidies and tax breaks and loopholes. </p>
<p>The graduated tax rates are fairer and better for society. The tax rates applied to the person making $60K are the exact same as the tax rates applied to the first $60K you make.</p>
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		<title>By: Fabius Maximus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fabius Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 03:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#202 

Is this discussion heading towards this. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso

Pensions are not the only Elephant, we are in the Serengeti and the elephants are stampeding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#202 </p>
<p>Is this discussion heading towards this. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso</a></p>
<p>Pensions are not the only Elephant, we are in the Serengeti and the elephants are stampeding.</p>
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		<title>By: Fabius Maximus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fabius Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 03:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#195 Gary, 

If you pleadge Aliegence to the Corporate Person of America, you might actually be closer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#195 Gary, </p>
<p>If you pleadge Aliegence to the Corporate Person of America, you might actually be closer.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 03:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the hell would I buy a house.

Clot calls me one of those who, if I haven&#039;t bought by now, will &quot;never buy.&quot;

I say it&#039;s because there&#039;s no product that fits.   And I&#039;m flexible.  Adaptable.   So I rent, and rent.

Why is there no mortgage for me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the hell would I buy a house.</p>
<p>Clot calls me one of those who, if I haven&#8217;t bought by now, will &#8220;never buy.&#8221;</p>
<p>I say it&#8217;s because there&#8217;s no product that fits.   And I&#8217;m flexible.  Adaptable.   So I rent, and rent.</p>
<p>Why is there no mortgage for me?</p>
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