Take Three! (or is it Four?)

From the Asbury Park Press:

Developer buys Asbury beachfront site

Asbury Partners, the city’s waterfront developer, has bought the unfinished Esperanza high-rise site from Capital One Bank, which had foreclosed on the project, a company official said Friday.

The beachfront site on Ocean Avenue between Third and Fourth avenues is considered a key development parcel and central to the overall waterfront landscape.

But it has been jinxed. For 17 years, the former unfinished high-rise known as “C-8” sat abandoned, a symbol of the earlier failed waterfront redevelopment of the 1980s.

Then, Metro Homes bought the site and imploded the skeleton highrise in the spring of 2006. The Hoboken developer set out to build the dramatic 224-unit Esperanza full of flair and wavy architecture. But the national mortgage crisis set in and in December 2007, Metro Homes closed down the construction site.

“This property is critical to putting the larger waterfront redevelopment back on track,” said Brian Cheripka, a vice president with iStar Financial Inc., which took over ownership of Asbury Partners in December 2009 when the former Asbury Partners’ principals could not repay $70 million in loans.

“I think it’s a great step forward and an exciting development, especially for that parcel of land which has just had so many false starts,” Mayor Ed Johnson said Friday. “I remain hopeful and confident that this is its final start, and we will begin to see development start on that site and throughout the waterfront.”

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96 Responses to Take Three! (or is it Four?)

  1. grim says:

    Come on rise up!

  2. Xanadu will be finished before this mega-mess.

    Blow the mf’er up, I say.

  3. freedy says:

    was out last night with a group. one guy says ,oh great time to buy its bound to come
    back. I ask when, also point out taxes in NJ continue upward. He talks about great
    schools, I got into the flight of people leaving NJ and being replaced with
    illegals etc. The conversation dropped off when I ask what basis he had for housing coming back .

  4. gary says:

    tick… tick… tick… tick…

    Any questions?

  5. freedy says:

    BYW, its Bergen County where prices never go down,

  6. Essex says:

    I think that select towns will thrive. They’ll be the ones that are established and suit the mindset of the myriad of people that do work and spend here in NJ. His basis for optimism is based on his gut feeling much like your pessimism. Neither of you really know anything for sure except that today you live and tomorrow you may die.

  7. Essex says:

    In the words of Bob Dylan:

    When she said,

    “Don’t waste your words, they’re just lies,”

    I cried she was deaf.

    And she worked on my face until breaking my eyes,

    Then said, “What else you got left?”

    It was then that I got up to leave

    But she said, “Don’t forget,

    Everybody must give something back

    For something they get.”


    I stood there and hummed,

    I tapped on her drum and asked her how come.

    And she buttoned her boot,

    And straightened her suit,

    Then she said, “Don’t get cute.”

    So I forced my hands in my pockets

    And felt with my thumbs,

    And gallantly handed her

    My very last piece of gum.

  8. gary says:

    This one sold for 230K in 2000 and current asking is 539K. A healthy 4% appreciation over 10 years would’ve brought this house to a 350K benchmark. So, why do these fat b@stards think they deserve more? Oh well… the seller sits, the realtor starves and Gary and his fellow cohorts stay solvent.


  9. gary says:

    I was in this house… very clean, at the end of a cul de sac but no central A/C. One problem: the Parkway is about 75 feet beyond the trees to the left. The sound is just not dampened enough nor far enough away. It has a great yard, too. This one has been on and off for about 2 years now. I suspect they declined a few lowballs.


  10. NJGator says:

    I wonder if anyone approved her for a 30 year mortgage…

    The Now-or-Never Apartment

    AT last, Lee Zegar was ready to upgrade to a one-bedroom.

    “When I turned 80,” she said, “I thought: I can’t wait.”


  11. jamil says:

    pretty much sums up the situation.

    “What if decades of a lousy education system have left us with a workforce that has too many members with no really useful skills for a globalized economy? What if way too many college students majored in liberal arts and entering the workforce looking for jobs that will never exist? What if the massive housing bubble got Americans to condition themselves to work in an economy that’s never coming back? (How many realtors are unemployed right now?) What if we have good workers who can’t move to take new jobs because they’re underwater on their mortgage and can’t sell their house?

    I heard a similar sentiment from the Taiwanese-born, 30-something CFO of a U.S. Internet company. A gentle, unpretentious man who went from public school to Harvard, he’s nonetheless not terribly sympathetic to the complaints of the American middle class. “We demand a higher paycheck than the rest of the world,” he told me. “So if you’re going to demand 10 times the paycheck, you need to deliver 10 times the value. It sounds harsh, but maybe people in the middle class need to decide to take a pay cut.””

  12. Essex says:

    Jamil you sounds like an idiot yourself. Why don’t you wow us with your intellect and insights instead of parroting the party line that public education is bad and we should all be genuflecting to Ronald Reagan. It is really this mentality, the servile and sell-out mode that will kill the country. If we stand firm, protect our own, and work with the myriad of brilliants kids and adults that reside here, we’ll be fine.

  13. Essex says:

    Know your history people and quit trying to re-write it to serve your needs. This is the greatest country in the world and I will feel that way until the very end. I love owning a home here, I take what I need and I let the rest go by.

    The only thing that I’ve been wrong about is my initial condemnation of the BMW M series. Once I got into my current ride which sports a V8, I remember that you can really never have too much horsepower.

  14. Essex says:

    By current ride I mean an American car.

  15. jamil says:

    Essex, “Know your history people and quit trying to re-write it to serve your needs.”

    This reminds me of the latest history rewriting. Our Smartest President in History, in prepared speech, made a embarrassing gaffe about Lincoln. So what should government-funded PBS do with the transcripts? Rewrite history and change the speech so that no gaffe? Leave it there and make it major news story showing how idiot the person is ? Yeah, just kidding.


    It’s not called State Media for nothing. Had Palin or Bachmann made this, it would have major news story. So shut up about this history rewriting Essex.

  16. jamil says:

    Essex, “Jamil you sounds like an idiot yourself. Why don’t you wow us with your intellect and insights instead of parroting the party line that public education is bad and we should all be genuflecting to Ronald Reagan”

    That quote is from the Atlantic, the left-wing lunacy paper, the fishwrap where Andrew Sullivan spends his time demanding to see medical records of Palin’s uterus. Yeah, I know know. That’s where I take my talking points blindly (when I’m not getting secret instructions from Koch Brothers or Vast Right Wing Conspiracy).


  17. gary says:

    Jamil you sounds like an idiot yourself. Why don’t you wow us with your intellect and insights instead of parroting the party line…

    I think Jamil does wow us with intellect and insight. It’s always backed up by something contrary to the liberal talking points and utopian dreams.

  18. I was reminded a couple of weeks ago that the only real hope for the economy is that more kids are exposed to a true liberal arts education (not of the “Womens’ Studies” variety) that teaches them how to think instead of regurgitate facts.

    The problem isn’t liberal arts education. The real problem is that it’s been dumbed down, just like most other aspects of modern life.

    It also occurs to me that dumbing-down is a sort of stealth inflation of the intellect. A greater price is extracted from the consumer for a dwindling asset in return. If that isn’t inflation, I don’t know what is.

  19. Jamil seems to me to be like most true believers on the right and the left: correct diagnosis of the disease…but the prescription for every illness under the sun is radical amputation.

  20. A truly educated population is dangerous to TPTB. Remember what Jefferson, Washington and a ragtag army managed to pull off. The most conscious and educated are also more apt to engage in violent means to an end once they are convinced it is justified, too.

  21. Essex says:

    19. It’ll never happen. Piss a parent with just one mention of something the least bit controversial or even look at kid wrong today and the schools will be under lockdown. They are so afraid of anything of substance, not that most teacher even have the knowledge to give that perspective. See the book “lies my teacher told me” for other points of view on history.

  22. Essex says:

    Very few people reside on the true left and those that do often are disrupted by the hunger pangs of poverty.

  23. A.West says:

    NY Times real estate section had an article about trying to sell homes with basement flooding, and mentioned Grim’s home renovation project with admiration. Did it keep the wet out?

    I’ve got some slightly moist wall concrete bricks on a small part of my unfinished section of basement. Floor stays dry. After normal rains, no wetness, but after hurricanes or torrential rains, it appears, and the damp goes away in a couple days. Should I worry, and if so, what should I do about it?

  24. grim says:

    Downspouts and grading would be the first places to look.

  25. jamil says:

    “TORONTO, Canada — Usually, you hear stories of people fleeing to America, not the other way around.
    But the jittery state of the U.S. economy is driving an increasing number of its citizens to seek better prospects north of the border.
    Americans are the latest economic refugees, and they’re heading to Canada.”

    Sign of O’s first term: Americans sneaking into Canada looking for jobs.
    I’m afraid the sign of the second term would be Americans sneaking into Mexico looking for jobs and freedom.

  26. jamil says:

    clot: “seems to me to be like most true believers on the right and the left: correct diagnosis of the disease”

    Can you remind us what is that diagnosis according to the true believers on the left ? As far as I understand what their diagnosis is, it is that US is not spending enough, US is too friendly towards job creators, US is not borrowing enough and Government does not have enough power to micromanage every aspect of life.

  27. Al Mossberg says:

    Good read for anyone looking to refi.

    Why Aren’t Mortgage Rates Getting Lower as Fast as Treasuries?

    “In short, the PRICE and YIELD of MBS are the basis for mortgage rates. This equates to the raw pricing that lenders are dealing with in order to lend you money. But lenders can’t simply offer mortgage rates based on raw MBS pricing because they wouldn’t make any money, and they gotta make some if they’re going to keep offering mortgages! This is where a subjective component enters into mortgage rates. There are several factors that affect profitability which lenders attempt to account for in deciding the ideal amount of cushion between raw MBS and mortgage rates (also known as primary/secondary spread).

    Actually, we could probably write a whole series on those factors but we’ll focus on a few of the “biggies” for today. First of all, we’ve already been mentioning VOLATILITY as a reason for a discrepancy in rates from lender to lender. Bottom line: volatility makes things more expensive for lenders. They absorb some of that cost with lower profits and you absorb some with higher mortgage rates than you might otherwise see in a lower volatility environment.

    Beyond volatility, this whole rally in the fixed-income world (bonds, Treasuries, MBS, etc…) has been very fast and abrupt. That has created capacity constraints for lenders who can only really raise rates in order to deter the new business they can’t handle. Additionally, if rates get low too quickly, lenders may lose commitments from borrowers who now seek a lower rate. But the lender has already “accounted for” that new mortgage in their pipeline when you locked your loan (meaning they’ve promised to sell into the MBS market using your loan as part of that MBS). When that happens, it costs them more money to readjust and consequently will cost future borrowers more money in the form of slightly higher rates.

    These are just a few of the reasons why you’re not seeing mortgage rates fall as quickly as Treasury yields. It’s a whole different world-a deep dark rabbit hole of financial complexity. Today’s post only begins to scratch the surface, but if it’s helpful, let us know and we’ll do more. Or let us know if you have questions about this one and we’ll follow up on those.”


  28. Al Mossberg says:



    Thats one serious crap shack there. Circa 76 bilevel. Those pieces of crap litter the state. Nothing you can do to upgrade that into something nice. Even the plastic colums on the front porch dont work.

    Better off buying a POS cape.

  29. cobbler says:

    jamil [26]
    It’s worth reading what you are planning to post before posting it – the point the article makes seems to be opposite to your thinking…
    …”“I’m looking for a quiet, calm, sane, civilized society to start the next phase of my life,” said Michael, an out-of-work, white-collar professional from Michigan who is seeking a temporary visa to come to Canada.

    Like several others interviewed for this article, he did not want his full name used for fear of drawing unwanted scrutiny to his application.

    Though he describes himself as both patriotic and a conservative, Michael says he’s lost faith in U.S. leadership — “on both sides of the aisle” — for failing to stem the excesses that led to the collapse of Wall Street, and for the current political brinkmanship over the debt ceiling.

    “I’m looking for a country where the first role of the government is to protect its citizens,” he said.”…

    and this one

    … ““It’s important for us to live in a place with a lot of diversity and a good cultural sector,” said the woman, who asked that their names be withheld to avoid compromising their residency status in Canada. She says she was surprised at how quickly and efficiently they were able to qualify for Ontario health care. “…

  30. Prof. McDullard says:

    Essex #13,

    No offense meant, but I think you may be the idiot in the thread. You are wasting time you could be spending with your kid in arguing with someone that may be smart but completely dishonest and extremely cheap. You are not even going to win a small point with such people even in person, let alone winning a whole game or set over internet boards. Such people make very good public prosecutors that will always eke out a win even in cases where they horribly screwed up.

    When one side plays pretend play, the score will always be 6-0, 6-0, 6-0. Always!

  31. Essex says:

    31. none taken.

  32. Jamil is the default idiot on any thread here that he joins.

  33. Too bad jamil is some kind of political necrophili@c, looking to continually bang the dead bones of Reagan and his fantasy Amerika.

  34. Al Mossberg says:



    People dont know the truth about Reagan. He had a homosexual past. Bohemian Grove b_tchez!

  35. Prof. McDullard says:


    A lot of people don’t know even more horrible things Reagan had done. He raised taxes, and he negotiated with democrats! Truly horrible stuff.

  36. Dink says:

    I will admit that Jamil’s posts do wow me sometimes. Like this doozy….

    “It’s not called State Media for nothing. Most people don’t find this the details, only see headlines. Non State controlled media consist only of Fox News and few Internet blogs”


  37. Al Mossberg says:



    He also signed the executive order allowing the presidential working group on financial markets in 1988. You sit here and cry about manipulated markets but cant look reality in the eye.

    Executive Order 12631,[1] signed on March 18, 1988 by United States President Ronald Reagan.


    Theres an old saying we used to have in Brooklyn. Dont try to b_llshit a b_llshit artist son.

  38. jamil says:

    cobbler “It’s worth reading what you are planning to post before posting it – the point the article makes seems to be opposite to your thinking…”

    The point is that Americans are now sneaking into Canada looking for a job. It wasn’t like that before. In O’s second term people are probably sneaking into Mexico.

  39. jamil says:

    31 clot “with someone that may be smart but completely dishonest and extremely cheap.”

    Sure sign that hard-core leftist has run out of arguments is that he takes the “otherside is dishonest” argument. You forgot the republithugs and nazis comment. Yeah I know I know. Higher taxes lead to prosperity and job growth! Obama’s policies are working! Black is white!

  40. Don’t look now, but the ultra-violence is sparking up in Greece again.

  41. Too bad the real violence is what Greece’s paper is doing to SocGen’s balance sheet.

  42. jamil (40)-

    I didn’t even say that to you.

    BTW, in case you were wondering, you have become tedious again.

  43. nj escapee says:

    Just got back from a full day of sailing, snorkeling and kayaking on the waters off Key West. Rained a little but there was rainbow and we ended the sail with a beautiful sunset.

  44. Shore Guy says:


    Sure, you have sunshine and blue water. And you have a laid-back lifestyle and snorleling, and whatnot; however, your proximity to NY sucks. AND, when it comes to hurricanes your damage is far, well, uh, nevermind.

  45. cobbler says:

    jamil [39]
    First, they are not sneaking but getting legit temporary work visas. Second, they number only about 30K which is a very small number compared to the workforce of either country. Third, they are happy to be working in a “country where the first role of the government is to protect its citizens” and where “quickly and efficiently they were able to qualify for Ontario health care”.

  46. Al Mossberg says:



    I have Florida on my top 3 list of places of doom so dont be so c_cky. Florida is a sh_thole with nice weather. It will -mplode faster than building ?.

    Any questions?

  47. Essex says:

    47. Gee whiz Al, Florida should be the state closest to your heart in terms of low taxation, homestead laws, and gun owners’ rights.

  48. sx (48)-

    I think that would be Texas.

    Don’t forget speedy capital trials and executions.

  49. soccerDad says:

    Meat, Last year, I wrote a workbook, “30 Days to Better Critical Thinking.” I had wanted to call it The Effective Thinking Skills Workbook but one editor thought the former was more jazzy. Most reasoning skills books are hopelessly airy, speaking in self-evident platitudes. What I did was take more than 100 patterns of reasoning, some valid, some not valid, and use programmed learning techniques to help the reader/student recognize them in everyday situations. As a D list celebrity, I promoted the book on numerous radio shows. I sold a couple hundred copies. You can read a number of chapters on Amazon. com I’m very cynical about the prospects for Americans to become independent thinkers. As a nation of grifters and morons ( Kunstler), we’re basically doomed.

  50. New in FL says:

    Speaking of speedy capital trials and executions…

    Statistically, You Have a Better Chance of Being Executed by Rick Perry Than Dying in an Airplane Crash


  51. JC says:

    #51: Funny how the mouth-frothers who attended last week’s “Tax Tax Tax Tax Cuts Reagan Reagan Ronald Reagan” debate applauded loudly at Rick Perry’s murderous rampage as governor of Texas, but were curiously silent at the killing of Osama bin Laden. I guess 9/11 isn’t THEIR day too anymore.

  52. new (51)-

    You present this as though it’s a bad thing.

  53. soccer (50)-

    I think you are basically right. However, there’s still plenty of time left to drink before the inevitable Gottendammerung.

    “As a nation of grifters and morons (Kunstler), we’re basically doomed.”

  54. Drinking one to the victims of 9/11 today.

  55. Punch My Ticket says:

    cobbler [46],

    There are no precise figures but the number of US citizens residing in Canada is far far above 30k. It’s more like 600-1000k. See, for example, http://www.vancouversun.com/news/citizens+living+Canada+face+risk+massive+penalties/5277590/story.html. The US consulate in Vancouver estimates 90k US citizens alone in and around Vancouver. (And Uncle Sam wants them all.)

  56. Punch My Ticket says:

    Clot [55],

    We are all victims. You will be drinking a fair bit.

  57. cobbler says:

    punch [56]
    I’ve been citing the article jamil brought up. I think 30K is the number of the temporary work authorization visas issued to the U.S. citizens. Obviously, many more people have permanent residency status (married to Canadians, long-term jobs, etc.) – the same as tons of Canadians have greencards over here, but very few have H1B.

  58. Essex says:

    50. My thought is that we need more tough love like that which guided me through my early years. Everyone is so concerned with being their kids’ best friend (and yeah it feels great to be a pal to your kid sometimes) but at other times they require some mental toughening and actual home schooling. Regardless of where they attend school, if they are not being taught how to think at home there won’t be any how.

    BTW, chifi already has his kid’s college picked and has selected an appropriate nursery school with the credentials to get the kid there.

  59. Rich says:

    You should write an article about where people can watch football online. This is a popular topic and an article listing all the places like http://www.watchfootball.org or espn.com would be a popular article.

  60. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    Hey Meat, I just learned that my girl’s Flight 1 soccer team plays Branchburg on its last game of the season.


  61. Comrade Nom Deplume says:


    Saw the southern dem quip. That clears up a lot. Hate to say it, but I thought it was schizophrenia when you shifted positions like that.

    Dare I ask which southern state? I promise not to make too many jokes.

  62. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    First game of the travel season is in Monroe. Where the fcuk is Monroe?

  63. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    The girls played Millburn last night, the team we were supposed to play in Bridgewater before the league moved us from Flight 2 to Flight 1. Poor Millburn girls were outmatched from the start. A total beatdown. By halftime, I was feeling sorry for them.

    Next up: Summit. Last of the train town games. Got to toughen my girl up by Saturday. No way I want to lose to them.

  64. Essex says:

    62…..Kentucky and Florida. (You promised)

  65. Essex says:

    I’m seduced, like anyone, by slick talk of freedom and country. I love America.
    But the truth is that we’ve sent a series of f_ckwits to DC now since Eisenhower.

  66. NjescaPee says:

    Amen Essex

  67. Shore Guy says:


    I just stopped by the cabanna.

  68. 3b says:

    #56 In mod please un mod.

  69. 3b says:

    #67 Essex: No offense, but most people in the real south do not consider Kentucky to be in the south. One reason of course being that it was not in the confereracy, but also simply because it is too far north.

    As one southeener said well yeah Kentucky has Hillbillies, but they are Yankee Hillbillies.

  70. 3b says:

    #73 Oh and unless you are from up around the pan handle of Fla or near the GA. border, Fla is not the south either, culturally speaking that is.

  71. 3b says:

    Just to show where things have and continue to go both here and in Europe. Talk Talk a UK based Tele-Com company just announced that they were closing their 700 person operation in Ireland;with the loss of 700 jobs.

    The average salary was around 30K Euro per year. These jobs are being outsourced to India and the Phillipines, where the equivalent salary will be about 2,400 EUro per year.

    And in a real touch of class the employees were not notified by the company, until after they hard about it on the radio and social networking sites.

  72. Essex says:

    70. But they do have democrats.

  73. Essex says:

    Anyhow, if it makes you feel better my dad’s side of the equation is from Nashville. My grandparents went into the hinterlands to make $$ selling clothing to miners. It worked pretty well for them for about four decades. They had the Levi’s franchise in the county.

  74. Essex says:

    The deep south is of course another animal. However, I think that you will find that the sensibility and identity of said species of “redneck” can be found just about anywhere. I’d rather simple consider myself a hybrid. My mom’s side was German aristocracy. Go figure.

  75. plume (61)-

    Only problem is, I’m never near Branchburg anymore. Might still be able to come over if my son’s team is not out of town on that day. Send me an e-mail with the date!


  76. plume (64)-

    Start feeding her Red Bull, whiskey and hot sauce. Worked wonders for me.

  77. sx (66)-

    Those fcukwits are a reflection of ourselves.

  78. I think #77 was the same stuff Michael Vick fed to his dogs.

  79. Confused in NJ says:


    Krauthammer: People finally realizing Obama ‘is a mortal who is in over his head’
    By Jeff Poor – The Daily Caller | The Daily Caller – Sat, Sep 10, 2011
    As President Barack Obama’s approval rating reaches new lows with seemingly every tracking poll, the question of how he is going to win re-election is a high priority for the president and his administration. However, based on Thursday night’s address to a joint session of Congress, it appears Obama could be attempting to mimic former President Harry Truman’s 1948 campaign against a “do-nothing Congress.”

    But on this weekend’s broadcast of “Inside Washington,” Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer was doubtful that would be an effective strategy because the so-called independents that voted for him in 2008 are realizing he isn’t all that he was marketed to be.

    “[B]arack Obama is no Harry Truman,” Krauthammer said. It’s not that complicated. Obama is over his head. He is a great orator. He came out of nowhere. He dazzled America. He [has] never run anything. He never actually enacted anything even in the legislature. He hadn’t run a state. He hadn’t run a city. He hadn’t run a business. He is running the biggest enterprise in the world and he has not succeeded. And that is why all of these independents, all of those who believed in a soaring rhetoric, including probably a couple who swooned in the aisles as he spoke in 2008, are now waking up and realizing he is a mortal who is in over his head.”

    “He is a great orator, he is a very smart man and would be a good professor,” Krauthammer said. “But run the United States, he can’t.

  80. 3b says:

    #76 Nashville? Well now you are more southern, although eastern Tennessee was very sympathetic to the Union, and not the Confederacy.

  81. 3b says:

    #77 You can find you rednecks in Ringwood and even Mahwah.

  82. A.West says:

    I disagree with Kraut. I don’t think O would make a particularly good professor. He likes to lecture, but has no interest in educating people. That makes for a bad class.

  83. Outofstater says:

    Will someone please define redneck? Just want to know where I fit on the continuum.

  84. nj escapee says:

    You’re probably a redneck if:
    You believe you got a set of matched luggage if you have two shopping bags from the same store.
    You think the last words to The Star Spangled Banner are “Gentlemen, start your engines.”
    You think Sherlock Holmes is a housing project down in Biloxi.
    You think a stock tip is advice on worming’ your ho-gs.
    You’ve been married three times and still have the same in-laws.
    You think TACO BELL is the Mex-ican Phone Company
    Your state’s got a new law that says when a couple get divorced, they are still legally brother and sister.
    Your house still has the “WIDE LOAD” sign on the back.
    You got stopped by a state trooper. He asked you if you had an I.D. And you said, ‘Bout What?’
    You think Gen–italia is an Italian airline.
    Your si-ster is the third generation of women in your family to conceive
    a baby as a result of an alien abd-uction.
    If you can bur-p and say your name at the same time, you’re shur’nuff a redneck.
    You think Po-ss-um is “The Other White Me-at”
    You carried a fishing po-le into Sea World.
    You ho-oked up with your present girl-friend as a result of a message on the wall of
    the mens’ room at the Flying J Truck Stop.
    The centerpiece on your dining room table is an original signed work
    by a famous taxidermist.
    You think a quarter horse is a ride out in front of the Wal-Mart.
    You lit a match in the bathroom and your house expl-oded right off it’s wheels.
    Your huntin dawg had a litter of puppies in the living room and nobody noticed.
    You think s-afe s–ex is a padded headboard.
    You think subdivision is part of a math problem.
    You think there’s nothin wrong with inc–est as long as you keep it in the family.
    You may be a Redneck if … You and your dog use the same tree.
    You think G–od looks a lot like Hank Williams, Jr., and heaven looks a lot like Daytona Beach, Florida.
    Your father exe-cutes the “pull my finger” trick during Christmas dinner.
    You’ve got more than one brother named ‘Darryl’.
    You think watching professional wrestling is for-eplay.
    The people on Jerry Springer’s show remind you of your neighbors
    Your kids take a siphon hose to “Show and Tell.”
    You know yer a redneck when you take a load to the dump and bring back more than you took
    You think fast food is hitting a possum at 65 mph.

  85. Shore Guy says:

    “You think Po-ss-um is “The Other White Me-at””

    I can state from prior experience that possum is dark and nasty.

  86. Outofstater says:

    #85 You forgot: if you’ve ever cracked open a cold one during a eulogy, if you’ve ever climbed a water tower with a bucket of paint to defend your sister’s honor, and, the most disgusting one: if you’ve ever advised a buddy to spend a little extra to get the good quality c0nd0ms because “you can’t rinse out them cheap ones more’n once or twice.”

  87. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    I’m not a Cowboys fan (except today), and I cannot believe I saw what I saw from them today. Jets didn’t win; the Cowboys lost. What an ugly game.

  88. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [65] Essex

    Florida isn’t really “the south”, and I dated a Smithie from near Park City, KY, so I have fond memories of Barren County.

  89. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    Actually, there were a bunch of Smithies that were from Kentucky, and I think I dated nearly all of them.

  90. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [76] meat,

    Okay. We also play Flemington, which if memory serves, is further out.

  91. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [75] essex

    Funny. My mom’s side was Irish aristocracy. Neat coat of arms and everything. But that and 4 bucks will get you a venti latte.

  92. Comrade Nom Deplume says:


    From Barro’s op-ed in the NYT (which, curiously, is no longer there but is on taxprofblog):

    “New York Times op-ed, How to Really Save the Economy, by Robert Barro (Harvard University, Department of Economics):
    Today’s priority has to be austerity, not stimulus, and it will not work to announce a new $450 billion jobs plan while promising vaguely to pay for it with fiscal restraint over the next 10 years, as Mr. Obama did in his address to Congress on Thursday. Given the low level of government credibility, fiscal discipline has to start now to be taken seriously. But we have to do even more: I propose a consumption tax, an idea that offends many conservatives, and elimination of the corporate income tax, a proposal that outrages many liberals. …

    The lesson is that effective incentives for investment and employment require permanence and transparency. Measures that are transient or uncertain will be ineffective. And yet these are precisely the kinds of policies the Obama administration has pursued: temporarily cutting the payroll tax rate, maintaining the marginal income-tax rates from the George W. Bush era while vowing to raise them in the future, holding off on clean-air regulations while promising to implement them later and enacting an ambitious overhaul of Wall Street regulations while leaving lots of rules undefined and ambiguous.

    “Is there a better way? I believe that a long-term fiscal plan for the country requires six big steps.

    Three of them were identified by the Bowles-Simpson deficit reduction commission: reforming Social Security and Medicare by increasing ages of eligibility and shifting to an appropriate formula for indexing benefits to inflation; phasing out “tax expenditures” like the deductions for mortgage interest, state and local taxes and employer-provided health care; and lowering the marginal income-tax rates for individuals.

    I would add three more: reversing the vast and unwise increase in spending that occurred under Presidents Bush and Obama; introducing a tax on consumer spending, like the value-added tax (or VAT) common in other rich countries; and abolishing federal corporate taxes and estate taxes. …

    I had a dream that Mr. Obama and Congress enacted this fiscal reform package — triggering a surge in the stock market and a boom in investment and G.D.P. — and that he was re-elected.

    This dream could become reality if our leader were Ronald Reagan or Bill Clinton — the two presidential heroes of the American economy since World War II — but Mr. Obama is another story. To become market-friendly, he would have to abandon most of his core economic and political principles.

    More likely, his administration will continue with more of the same: an expansion of payroll-tax cuts, short-term tax credits, promises to raise future taxes on the rich, and added spending on infrastructure, job training and unemployment benefits. The economy will probably continue in its sluggish state, possibly slipping into another recession. In that case, our best hope is for a Republican president far more committed to the principles of free markets and limited government than Mr. Bush ever was.”

    Flame away, but remember, you are flaming Sweden on the Charles.

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