Hipsters hate Yuppies

You are fooling nobody bud, you are clearly a hipster in a yuppie disguise. Also, be it noted, white men can’t tag.

From the Jersey Journal:

Photos show alleged vandal behind ‘Go home yuppie scum’ graffiti in Jersey City

Police are seeking the public’s help in identifying a man seen in new security footage allegedly spray painting “GO HOME YUPPIE SCUM!” on a new residential building next to City Hall.

Eric and Paul Silverman, the developers behind the new building, Charles & Co., released photos of the man, who tagged the Grove Street building on June 13.

The alleged vandal is a white male with a thin build, dark hair and a beard. He was caught on video footage tagging the Montgomery Street side of Charles & Co. at about 5 a.m. that Saturday. The graffiti was gone by noon, and the Silvermans estimate the damage to be in excess of $2,750.

In the footage, he is dressed in business casual clothing, including a blazer and a tie. He is wearing sunglasses.

The graffiti was found the same week Downtown Jersey City residents debated a new, anti-gentrification campaign that used “go home yuppie scum” as one of its slogans.

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115 Responses to Hipsters hate Yuppies

  1. grim says:

    First interesting thing I’ve heard out of the Realtors in, well, forever. From HousingWire:

    Realtor.com, Airbnb partner to let homebuyers test-drive the neighborhood

    Realtor.com and Airbnb have teamed up to allow potential homebuyers to “live like a local” by experiencing a specific neighborhood before purchasing.

    Visitors to realtor.com will be able to book accommodations nationwide on Airbnb ranging from single-family homes to condos, lofts and other properties located near their desired neighborhood.

  2. D-FENS says:

    Only hipsters, whose mom pays the rent, are allowed to displace native residents.

  3. grim says:

    The fact that he is wearing the same outfit he wore to his junior prom is a dead giveaway. Shirt collar too tight to button, terrible 90s striped tie (coincidentally the last time the word yuppie was in popular use), jacket too small – those cuffs look half way up your arms, and those pants are at most a size 28.

    I hate to say it, but the poor execution of the graffiti was a dead giveaway.

    Hipster uprising? Are they even capable of that?

    Pretty sure he’s not a JC native.

  4. grim says:

    For the first time ever, I am awarding post of the day to a post on another site:

    stacominvnj 15 hours ago
    Naturally, this crime was committed in summer…before it was cool.

  5. Juice Box says:

    Slippery slope. Ban flags, T-shirts, books, weapon sales etc.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/25/politics/walmart-guns-confederate-flag/index.html

  6. Shoulda been tagging that in Hoboken.

  7. Grim says:

    Flag thing is going to backfire entirely.

    There is now an entire faction of redneck racist hicks that see this as a direct attack on their freedom. Now, I could care less about redneck hicks or hurting their feelings, but this is something else entirely.

    Look, I’d be upset if Walmart was selling a Nazi flag, I get it (who am I kidding, there would be widespread outrage). But this feels like Too-Much-Do-About-Nothing. If love if this changed something, but it won’t. Or worse, it creates a situation where the racists (who we probably won’t convince otherwise,) are incited to commit crimes.

    On the other side of the situation, I’m also always up for a good flag burning, but the recent displays only highlight the continued divide, they don’t point to resolution.

    So now you have a group that sees this as an attack, and that group sees the group they hate burning the symbol that they love (probably even more now), yes, this is going to end well.

    IMHO – the way to destroy the power of a symbol is to widely embrace it in a way that is contrary to the original meaning. To try to ban it or stamp it out further legitimizes it’s symbolic meaning. To some extent, stupid confederate flag merchandise has already done this, but why not incorporate the flag into an anti-racism symbol? Take it, change it into a symbol of unity, and plaster it everywhere.

  8. Fast Eddie says:

    Standing on train platform, work is so busy that I can’t find time to post. Taking it out on a flag does nothing, I agree. Hoboken is not Hoboken anymore, let’s be clear about it.

  9. D-FENS says:

    The flag thing started as a legitimate grievance, then morphed into businesses banning their sales in solidarity…now overkill. Now you can’t even buy the Dukes of Hazard General Lee matchbox car. That’s ridiculous.

    I understand the desire to remove the rebel flag from state property, it has no business there. Black taxpayers should not have to walk by their statehouse and look at it everyday.

    I will say one thing though, it’s funny to watch Southerners try to defend the confederate flag though…every time the come off looking like racists.

    Observe this fellow trying to defend the use of the Confederate flag to a Black man….the conversation quickly devolves….But it’s not about Race! “Then you need to go back to Africa!”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExwWw4k1N2Q#t=108

  10. grim says:

    I must say, I’m somewhat impressed with how quickly the retail market jumped all over this, certainly highlights the power of the market to react compared to attempts to legislate behavior.

  11. D-FENS says:

    BTW, Republicans could have used the Charleston shooting and the Flag issue as a way to show solidarity with African Americans and invite them back into the party…and purge it of Neo Confederate Racists. Some have done that.

    However, far too many are wasting precious energy defending a stupid flag.

    Very disappointed in the Republican party right now.

  12. D-FENS says:

    10 – It’s good business.

    Nobody banned anything…the point is, it should not be on government property, unless in a museum. It is the battle flag of the Confederacy, which fought to defend slavery. This should be common sense.

  13. The Great Pumpkin says:

    That’s why I stated the media has done a great job of creating racism since the treyvon martin story broke. Before that, didn’t really think about racism. After that, story after story drumming up racism and feeding this idea that we are a racist country. Funny, we just voted in an African American President for the first time, but we as a country are more racist than ever? WTF? Ahh, the power of the media. Very very powerful in shaping people’s thoughts.

    I just hope that we are not talking about racism in America in 2115. I can’t believe it’s 2015 and we are still talking about racism. That’s just crazy. It’s almost 60 years since the civil rights movement and 150 years since slavery has been outlawed. Why is this the focus of our nation in 2015? Focus on the economy and creating jobs, not this waste of time drivel. Media really screwing up our country.

    Grim says:
    June 25, 2015 at 7:29 am
    Flag thing is going to backfire entirely.

    There is now an entire faction of redneck racist hicks that see this as a direct attack on their freedom. Now, I could care less about redneck hicks or hurting their feelings, but this is something else entirely.

    Look, I’d be upset if Walmart was selling a Nazi flag, I get it (who am I kidding, there would be widespread outrage). But this feels like Too-Much-Do-About-Nothing. If love if this changed something, but it won’t. Or worse, it creates a situation where the racists (who we probably won’t convince otherwise,) are incited to commit crimes.

    On the other side of the situation, I’m also always up for a good flag burning, but the recent displays only highlight the continued divide, they don’t point to resolution.

    So now you have a group that sees this as an attack, and that group sees the group they hate burning the symbol that they love (probably even more now), yes, this is going to end well.

    IMHO – the way to destroy the power of a symbol is to widely embrace it in a way that is contrary to the original meaning. To try to ban it or stamp it out further legitimizes it’s symbolic meaning. To some extent, stupid confederate flag merchandise has already done this, but why not incorporate the flag into an anti-racism symbol? Take it, change it into a symbol of unity, and plaster it everywhere.

  14. nwnj says:

    You do have to hand it to liberals, they’ve turned the art of silencing opposition into a science. They figured out some time ago by capturing the media they can influence the discourse and tell their story.

    Of course that also makes them some of the biggest hypocrites on the planet. They claim to be for freedom of speech and freedom of everything, but do everything within their power to silence any opposition. They love to tell others what they should think and at the same time they love being told what to think.

  15. Juice Box says:

    so if somebody goes out and poses with an American flag and then goes out and shoots and kills a bunch of american indians then what do thet say?

  16. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Now I’m starting to see what you guys are saying about the income inequality issues. Media driven. Don’t get me wrong, I see a problem with it from an economic perspective. An efficient economy is all you ask if you really understand income inequality and why it’s bad. The media has turned it into a circus. At the issue of income inequality, they are focused on the poor and how do we help the poor. That’s just ridiculous. Someone has to be poor in order for the economy to run efficiently. The focus on income inequality should not be to eliminate poor, but to eliminate the slack in our economy to create demand which will lead to growth. Any other focus is just bs talk used to divide the country. Minimum wage should not be raised to help the poor, but should be raised to help the economy.

    nwnj says:
    June 25, 2015 at 8:24 am
    You do have to hand it to liberals, they’ve turned the art of silencing opposition into a science. They figured out some time ago by capturing the media they can influence the discourse and tell their story.

    Of course that also makes them some of the biggest hypocrites on the planet. They claim to be for freedom of speech and freedom of everything, but do everything within their power to silence any opposition. They love to tell others what they should think and at the same time they love being told what to think.

  17. leftwing says:

    From Yesterday:

    ccb223: The point of my post is the hypocrisy and opportunism of these pandering retailers who should know better. The only thing worse than a [fill in the blank, rac1st if you want] is cheap bandwagoning on a complex issue that clouds the issue, stifles intelligent conversation, and appeals to the lowest common denominator in society. I’m libertarian, I really don’t care one way or another what flag you fly, where you put your junk (or if you cut it off for a dress instead), etc. But if we are going to discuss social injustice and violence then let’s discuss it. Banning a flag does not advance that conversation, it inhibits it. Same reason I have an issue with Dear Leader taking the mic and advancing an anti-gun political agenda any time there is a shooting. Cheap, vacuous opportunism.

    “But the mortgage backed ratings were not based on the same sort of evidence. They were based on multiple layers of theoretical hypothesis with short data histories and incorrect premises. They were basically invented to make money off a bubble, and in doing so, made the bubble worse.”

    Collateralized obligations of many sorts pre-date the housing bubble by a while. Like any tool properly used they are valuable and helpful.

    Conversely, put a large group of individuals together having little experience in an unsupervised high pressure environment that encourages risk taking, promotes bravado, and provides immediate positive feedback for the outcome of those behaviors through peer support and monetary rewards. You will an absolute disaster. Doesn’t matter whether it is handing a bunch of 17 year olds the keys to a Ferarri, a case of Jack Daniels, or the key to your gun locker. Or handing a bunch of 27 year olds MBSs in the middle of one of the greatest booms in modern history. The results are the same.

    The problem is not the tool, but those using it.

  18. nwnj says:

    I also love the fact that the federals are threating SC and other states with funding cuts if they continue flying Dixie. Considering the war was considered a war over states rights and northern aggression, that is ironic to say the least. The saying goes that the war is still being fought, and from what I can tell it is.

  19. Not Pumpkin says:

    All the social issues indirectly or directly will be address when the primacy of fanatical economic theory driven alternative neo-lib economics & social policy & neo-con foreign policy are address.

    This will only happen when the facade of this theoritical virtual reality is cracked by the reality of empty shelves at Walmart, target et al. As we find out that outsourcing manufacturing actually means having empty shelves when you fight with your enemy now manufacturing master.
    I can see us having the same issues as Venezuela. There’s is politically driven economic policy of one type. Ours is politically driven economic policy of another type. Both ignore reality and human nature.

  20. nwnj says:

    Another day, another big lib circle-J. Lie, distort, fabricate, spin, doesn’t matter as long as it fits the narrative.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/business/media/citing-ben-afflecks-improper-influence-pbs-suspends-finding-your-roots.html

  21. FKA 2010 Buyer says:

    I think most would agree that the Confederate Flag has no place on government grounds. If you want to sell it in your store, fine. However let’s not be naïve to think that if there wasn’t direct or indirect pressure (social media, big corps removing from stocks,etc), the flag would still be flying. It’s so easy to be quiet and hope this discussion dies than to actually take a stance.

    Nearly three dozen S.C. lawmakers avoid taking stand on removing Confederate flag

    By Wednesday night, just 34 lawmakers have failed to respond to The Post and Courier poll to state their positions on the flag’s future. Some who responded earlier in the day said they would not make their positions known until those killed in the shooting were buried.

    http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150624/PC16/150629684/three-dozen-sc-lawmakers-avoid-taking-stand-on-removing-confederate-flag

  22. nwnj says:

    #21

    Do you live in SC? If not, then why do you care or feel that your opinion matters? Classic big lib, trying to tell others what they should think and do.

  23. Ragnar says:

    Here’s the Dead Kennedys getting angry at who they imagine southerners to be.
    “Goons of Hazzard”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xeFIYfW-9w

  24. FKA 2010 Buyer says:

    Sell to whom? I found them….…Chinese spend on avg $831k and 70% are all cash deals.

    Heard this on the radio last night, tend to buy in established Asian neighborhoods that are close to good schools. Buying all over the world as insurance policy against the current anti-corruption campaign in China.

    Chinese Buyers Replace Canadians as Top Foreign Buyers of U.S. Homes

    Chinese buyers have surpassed Canadian snowbirds as the dominant foreign buyers of homes in the U.S., according to the National Association of Realtors.
    Chinese buyers spent the most on U.S. homes: $831,800 on average. The average price of home purchased by Canadians was $380,300.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-buyers-replace-canadians-as-top-foreign-buyers-of-u-s-homes-1434580337

  25. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Your last paragraph hits the nail on the head.

    Also, I totally agree with the manufacturing issue our country faces. Why in the world would you ever get rid of the ability to make things? I don’t care if someone does it cheaper, you don’t get rid of your ability to make things. It’s the life-blood of an economy/society. It’s pure stupidity to ship your ability to make things to your competition. It requires even more stupidity to claim that this shipping off of manufacturing is in the name of competition in the business place. If that’s the case, clearly we are losing the competition.

    If your idea of winning the competition is based on taking our jobs (ability to make things) and handing them to our competition, clearly you are lost.

    Not Pumpkin says:
    June 25, 2015 at 9:00 am
    All the social issues indirectly or directly will be address when the primacy of fanatical economic theory driven alternative neo-lib economics & social policy & neo-con foreign policy are address.

    This will only happen when the facade of this theoritical virtual reality is cracked by the reality of empty shelves at Walmart, target et al. As we find out that outsourcing manufacturing actually means having empty shelves when you fight with your enemy now manufacturing master.
    I can see us having the same issues as Venezuela. There’s is politically driven economic policy of one type. Ours is politically driven economic policy of another type. Both ignore reality and human nature.

  26. Comrade Nom Deplume, Future uber driver says:

    [7] grim,

    If giving up the stars and bars (something I could not care less about) appeases the left and they keep their hands off my guns and don’t force me to hang around with people I don’t like (you know, the P word), then let them have their little meaningless victory.

    But I can’t help but wonder if history will find that Roof succeeded. His act was intended to spark a backlash by minorities and their fellow travelers, not spur the white masses (which would fail spectacularly and did if that was the intent). Or, at a minimum, to poison the communal well. Given events thus far, I can’t help but wonder if he isn’t sitting alone in his padded cell and grinning wryly to himself.

  27. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Funny, Chinese corruption supporting American real estate. Gotta love it.

    FKA 2010 Buyer says:
    June 25, 2015 at 10:03 am
    Sell to whom? I found them….…Chinese spend on avg $831k and 70% are all cash deals.

    Heard this on the radio last night, tend to buy in established Asian neighborhoods that are close to good schools. Buying all over the world as insurance policy against the current anti-corruption campaign in China.

    Chinese Buyers Replace Canadians as Top Foreign Buyers of U.S. Homes

    Chinese buyers have surpassed Canadian snowbirds as the dominant foreign buyers of homes in the U.S., according to the National Association of Realtors.
    Chinese buyers spent the most on U.S. homes: $831,800 on average. The average price of home purchased by Canadians was $380,300.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-buyers-replace-canadians-as-top-foreign-buyers-of-u-s-homes-1434580337

  28. That guy looks like Repo Trader to me.

  29. Comrade Nom Deplume, Future uber driver says:

    [9] dfens

    “The flag thing started as a legitimate grievance, then morphed into businesses banning their sales in solidarity…now overkill. Now you can’t even buy the Dukes of Hazard General Lee matchbox car.”

    Can you say collectors item? Want to make something live forever? Make it rare.

  30. [26]Nom! Are you a misogynist?

    If giving up the stars and bars (something I could not care less about) appeases the left and they keep their hands off my guns and don’t force me to hang around with people I don’t like (you know, the P word)

  31. Comrade Nom Deplume, Future uber driver says:

    [27]

    “Buying all over the world as insurance policy against the current anti-corruption campaign in China.”

    This is who we are welcoming in to replace our defecting 1%ers. If they were Americans, we’d be prosecuting them, but instead we are giving them visas.

  32. D-FENS says:

    29 – Sure whatever. Some people collect Nazi war memorabilia too. It’s not illegal. Just so long as a government paid employee, does not tie it to a flagpole on government property…do whatever you want with the confederate flag.

    Nobody is suggesting that it be “banned”.

  33. Comrade Nom Deplume, Future uber driver says:

    [32] dFENs

    You said banned, not me. I said rare.

  34. Ben says:

    I was initially against the confederate flag being flown anywhere…but after years ago when this debate got fired up, the South Carolina government just said, “you know, slavery existed under the American flag as well, but we still fly it”. Guy had a point.

  35. FKA 2010 Buyer says:

    [21] nwnj

    Classic big Douche response..

    Do you need to be a woman to have an opinion on rape?
    Do you need to be Jewish to have an opinion on the holocaust?

    Do you think the confederate flag should be flown on government grounds?

    It’s a simple yes/no answer and politics aren’t involved at all. Only when you ask a politician, someone who has the power to take action based on their opinion, does it become political. What message are you sending when you are asked a simply question and you don’t take a stance one way or the other?

    So you are the type that sees something that you may disagree with and simply wants to be silent? That’s fine if you want to live that way. It’s definitely by far much easier to simply do nothing. Say nothing. Standing up and taking a position is not for everyone. I get it, nothing is wrong with that.

    I think in the parable about the sheep herder, the sheep, and the wolf…they call that the sheep.

    BTW – I have no issue with the confederate flag being sold in stores. It’s an easy way to identify people missing a few chromosomes.

  36. Comrade Nom Deplume, Future uber driver says:

    SCOTUS sides with administration

    Predictable vote and result but I’ll be curious to see how the lynchpin was nuanced.

  37. Comrade Nom Deplume, Future uber driver says:

    [30] expat

    I’m not sure where you are coming from with that one.

    On some days, when the wife and daughters are making me crazy, perhaps a little.

  38. JJ says:

    This is actually a very smart idea in particular with condo buildings. Pretty much you get extremely little info about a condo unless you know someone who lives there. Stuff like barking dogs, smokers, laundry room, parking, what neighbors think of board, condition of common elements. All cant be told in a 3 minute walk through on the way to a unit.

    Book a unit for one week pretty much you learn a lot plus you might learn about pending sales before they hit MLS that are value sales.

    I rented last summer to a trader for one week. He told me he was scouting out my town for some sandy bargains including my building. He pretty much hit up every distress sale while on vacation and then told me his wife 86’d all the cheap ones and he was too cheap to buy and expensive one. But if a real bargain ever did come up in my complex he could snatch it at the right price cause after spending 7 nights since it is a small complex he knows the place.

    The 30 day rule is difficult to prove unless someone is a serial rented. Last year when I did the 7 day rental I told the folks I know in building a guy I know from Wall street is staying at my place for a week. This year I have a lady who works on wall street for one week and a couple from midtown. That is it. I mean how would condo know unless I start filling it up with shady folks

    grim says:
    June 25, 2015 at 6:01 am
    First interesting thing I’ve heard out of the Realtors in, well, forever. From HousingWire:

    Realtor.com, Airbnb partner to let homebuyers test-drive the neighborhood

    Realtor.com and Airbnb have teamed up to allow potential homebuyers to “live like a local” by experiencing a specific neighborhood before purchasing.

    Visitors to realtor.com will be able to book accommodations nationwide on Airbnb ranging from single-family homes to condos, lofts and other properties located near their desired neighborhood.

  39. D-FENS says:

    Nom,

    Grim, Juice and Leftwing all said banned. Which is fine, nothing against any of them….I just want to be clear that my position is not to ban it, just remove it from government property.

    I did mean to imply that you said it.

    Happy Shooting…

    Is Barack Obama correct that mass killings don’t happen in other countries?

    Mostly False…

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/22/barack-obama/barack-obama-correct-mass-killings-dont-happen-oth/

  40. 1987 Condo says:

    I look at the Confederate flag (or battle flag of the N Virginia Army) as the flag of a failed insurrection, that is, traitors who attacked a federal base.

  41. Juice Box says:

    re: # 36 – interpretive jiggery-pokery

  42. nwnj says:

    #35

    And there are many, many other clear injustices occurring daily in the world, and there’s not a peep from the big lib media. They get one big story with a murky factual basis and they jump all over it. Where do you stand on women’s rights in the third world, why aren’t you protesting, etc. the lack of them?

    “Do you think the confederate flag should be flown on government grounds?”

    If that’s what the people of the state want then so be it, I’m not going to impose my belief system on someone else. Why are you big libs always trying to tell other people how to live their lives?

  43. Juice Box says:

    re: “Do you think the confederate flag should be flown on government grounds?”

    The SCOTUS ruling last week basically said that government documents like licence plantes convey “official speech”, and thus authorities need not issue plates with messages they oppose.

    So it really all depends who is in office. I am fine with that, if the officials want the flag down then fine however don’t be surprised if the wind blows the other way evenutally in certain states.

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/15/arizona-dems-fly-mexican-flag/

  44. Juice Box says:

    re # 45 – only thing you need to know. “The ruling boosted the shares of hospital company stocks”

  45. From Scalia’s dissent today:

    “We should start calling this law SCOTUScare.”

    Hate him, but the guy is funny.

  46. A Home Buyer says:

    39 – D-FENS

    Which may be fine, but those unintended consequences can be a real… problem. Road to hell is paved in gold or so they say.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/06/25/national-park-service-confederate-flag-sales-items/29264025/

    So now National Parks sited to commemorate the Civil war cannot sell the merchandise either. There are talks of demolishing statues featuring confederate soldiers and officials.

    Sure, it may not be politically banned yet, but its socially damned now.

  47. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    [47] splat,

    A little something for Joyce, from Scalia’s dissent, and the reason he is dissenting:

    “The Court’s decision reflects the philosophy that judges
    should endure whatever interpretive distortions it takes in
    order to correct a supposed flaw in the statutory machinery.
    That philosophy ignores the American people’s decision
    to give Congress “[a]ll legislative Powers” enumerated
    in the Constitution. Art. I, §1. They made Congress, not
    this Court, responsible for both making laws and mending
    them. This Court holds only the judicial power—the
    power to pronounce the law as Congress has enacted it.
    We lack the prerogative to repair laws that do not work
    out in practice, just as the people lack the ability to throw
    us out of office if they dislike the solutions we concoct. We
    must always remember, therefore, that “[o]ur task is to
    apply the text, not to improve upon it.”

  48. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    [48] Buyer

    “So now National Parks sited to commemorate the Civil war cannot sell the merchandise either. There are talks of demolishing statues featuring confederate soldiers and officials.”

    And Dylann Roof is reading about this and thinking to himself “my work here is done.”

    In that sense, he is certainly on par with a terrorist. Willingly sacrificing himself to sow the very discord he feels will save his race.

  49. The Great Pumpkin says:

    lol…yup

    Instead of subsidizing this bs, how about we take that tax money and invest it in our infrastructure? Crooks.

    Juice Box says:
    June 25, 2015 at 11:20 am
    re # 45 – only thing you need to know. “The ruling boosted the shares of hospital company stocks”

  50. 1987 Condo says:

    #50..I think his action have resulted in the exact opposite of his intent. I see no riots, no race war breaking out, I saw forgiveness, compassion and the possible removal of his beloved symbol from the state capitol. His “effort” failed…he was just a misguided, stupid, 21 year old and will probably have 70 years to regret his actions.

  51. JJ says:

    Walmart won’t sell General Lee toy cars anymore till flag is off roof

  52. D-FENS says:

    48 – Aren’t there a lot of military bases named after Confederate Generals too?

  53. The Great Pumpkin says:

    lol…yup

    1987 Condo says:
    June 25, 2015 at 11:40 am
    #50..I think his action have resulted in the exact opposite of his intent. I see no riots, no race war breaking out, I saw forgiveness, compassion and the possible removal of his beloved symbol from the state capitol. His “effort” failed…he was just a misguided, stupid, 21 year old and will probably have 70 years to regret his actions.

  54. D-FENS says:

    Pictures online show Dylan Roof burning the American Flag. Dude thinks he was fighting the civil war or something.

  55. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    [52] condo,

    You are ignoring the possibility that lesser results could have long lasting implications.

    You are looking for an explosion. I see a smoldering fuse as sufficient evidence that he may have actually accomplished (as in started) something.

    John Brown didn’t succeed either. But he certainly started something.

  56. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    For all of you still interested in property, this decision, overshadowed by Obamacare, may mean more.

    http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/13-1371_m64o.pdf

    Salt mines beckon.

  57. joyce says:

    Good to know that not only do they have to interpret words written hundreds of years ago… but words written a couple of years ago also need “interpretation.”

    Comrade Nom Deplume, Future uber driver says:
    June 25, 2015 at 10:46 am

    SCOTUS ….
    Predictable vote…..

  58. Banco Popular Trust Preferred Shares says:

    I disagree with you and leave it there…..what I will say though is that Spitzer is the guy ultimately responsible for creating an environment that allowed AIGFP to run amok with a bunch of hacks……he took down Hank Greenberg, who was effectively the Jim Dolan of finance. So you had a long standing organization that was controlled with an iron fist……what happens then is that the best and brightest are run off, leaving behind a house of hacks……but then Spitzr chops off the head…..and you have an insular culture and captive board that hires a hack CEO….chaos ensues…..

    leftwing says:
    June 24, 2015 at 10:40 pm
    BP

    Not disagreeing with you on spreads or how things trade. My point is slightly different. At AAA levels there is wide latitude to book product with minimal oversight in reliance on that highest rating. Concentration, duration, and liquidity will get a quick look. Underlying credit quality less so and not at all if the above criteria are satisfactory.

    AIG wrote most of the swaps when spreads indicated AAA pricing on the underlying.

    Will disagree that ratings are meaningless to businesses such as AIGFP. At anything other than AAA, yes, companies will make their own assessment of lesser credits and pricing including flying analysts to watch Midwest apartment buildings. At AAA, there is very wide latitude to book product and minimal diligence. The other break is at junk, where some places aren’t allowed to go beneath regardless of diligence/pricing.

  59. Banco Popular Trust Preferred Shares says:

    from Wiki…
    Expansion to the credit default insurance market

    Martin J. Sullivan became CEO of the company. He began his career at AIG as a clerk in its London office in 1970. AIG then took on tens of billions of dollars of risk associated with mortgages. It insured tens of billions of dollars of derivatives against default, but did not purchase reinsurance to hedge that risk. Secondly, it used collateral on deposit to buy mortgage-backed securities. When losses hit the mortgage market in 2007-2008, AIG had to pay out insurance claims and also replace the losses in its collateral accounts.

  60. joyce says:

    You have to respect the judge(s) that interpreted the phrase “in good behavior” to mean Lifetime appointment. Impressive, to say the least.

    Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:
    June 25, 2015 at 11:31 am
    [47] splat,

    “…just as the people lack the ability to throw
    us out of office if they dislike the solutions we concoct.”

  61. joyce says:

    Isn’t that the Buddhist symbol?

    D-FENS says:
    June 25, 2015 at 11:59 am
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CYTcQUKTVY

  62. 1987 Condo says:

    #57..by next week we will be yapping about Greece or Obamacare…..this will fade, until next Police shooting….

  63. Libturd in Union says:

    Statehouse flag bad (I agree), yet we still allow religion to influence our laws (gay marriage). This country is so f’ed. It doesn’t help that peoples skins are way too thin!

  64. leftwing says:

    Gates/Affleck:
    The double standard is mind boggling. Can you imagine if it were Mel Gibson or Clint Eastwood? They wouldn’t be able to rush the episode out quickly enough, and filet the actor for the attempted interference.

    Flag:
    I seriously sent a modified version of my ‘Dear Retailer’ letter to Walmart, etc yesterday. Did not get a response. I sent another this morning. I’m not letting this one go. The Crusades were a targeted and concerted effort over a period of two hundred years to enslave and massacre a people based on their different ethnicity. Over 1 million killed by armies marching under the crucifix. I am deeply offended. I want it off store shelves.

  65. Walking Bye says:

    Remember the controversy the Lincoln Statue caused in the early 2000’s in Richmond Va? They tried to place one in a park. Everyone came out opposed to placing the statue in the capital of the confederacy. 130+ years and people are still upset.

  66. Libturd in Union says:

    leftwing:

    Do you believe in freedom?

  67. Libturd in Union says:

    I am offended by most religions. More lives have been lost due to religion than one can conceive, yet we continue to defend dumb faith. Yet you have such an issue with a dumb flag. I’m going to call up Walmart and ask them to ban all crucifixes. Do you know how many Jews were killed during the Auto-da-fé? See the issue here? Grow some hair on your balls and understand the importance of freedom.

  68. Juice Box says:

    I’m going to call up Walmart and ask them to ban bananas. Their “best selling” item is a symbol of wacist exploistation policies of today (not even the 150 years in thepast) and every time I walk bananas and see them I think of how many hundredes of thosusands of children of color are other there right now climbing trees and picking those bananas.

  69. Libturd in Union says:

    Ban those watermelons and grape soda too.

  70. Ragnar says:

    Libturd,
    Pretty much every religion bugs me. And most atheists and agnostics bother me as well, replacing religion with something even more idiotic.
    I notice in the past 5 or so years political correctness has gone airborne and escaped from the universities and is now becoming a contagion in the culture and increasingly in business.

    For example the UN is now influencing what companies asset managers can invest in, via pressure from channels like NGOs and PC government run pension funds, according to whether they conform to the politically correct agenda relating to environmental and social fads.

  71. D-FENS says:

    It’s no wonder Blacks vote Democrat.

  72. 1987 Condo says:

    Private/public companies, I guess, can choose what they sell. I have no problem with them not selling the ISIS (ISIL) flag either. I look at both flags the same way, but you don’t have to.

    as far as the religions go, I try and look beyond the leadership of the religions (as guys apparently are drawn to power and corruption, etc) and seek value in some basic tenets.

  73. Libturd in Union says:

    I can’t think of a monotheism that is not completely fukced up. I am sorry for the vast majority who can’t think for themselves or who can’t figure out right from wrong and need some pedophile or other social misfit to guide you. Oh if only Buddhism was expansionist like Islam!

  74. A Home Buyer says:

    52 –

    I have to agree with Grim in #7. Death by a thousand cuts so to say.

    You don’t even need to be a supremacist to feel disenfranchised by the words and actions of people you’ve never met telling you:
    – your life is “easy / easier” because you were born white,
    – that you do not have a right to defend yourself or your family against an attacker,
    – that the history you were taught is a state classroom is actually a “lie” and that your grand father was a actually white supremacist.
    – That you actually don’t have the right to express yourself peacefully if a vocal majority (or even minority) finds it offensive
    – That your government will open up a hate crime investigation for the murky and ambiguous murder of a minority, but will completely ignore a gang attack on a non-minority where the attackers all but confess online it was racially motivated.

    Don’t get me wrong, all of those issues are complex and I am in no position to judge if they are right or wrong, but people have a breaking point as well.

  75. D-FENS says:

    Were you guys raped by priests or rabbis or something? Why the resentment towards religious people?

  76. leftwing says:

    “Do you believe in freedom?”

    “Were you guys raped by priests or rabbis or something? Why the resentment towards religious people?”

    Ironic hyperbole to make a point lost among the rush to tongue clicking arrogance.

    Side by side, slavery in the US versus the Crusades, I’m not sure it’s a tough call which one caused more death and destruction. White Christians, especially Roman Catholics, specifically rode under the symbol of their beliefs for the express purpose of annihilating a populace that was distinct and different.

    Yet the crucifix gets a pass but the c-flag is banned by retail.

    No issues with relig1on. Was born, baptised, and raised Roman Catholic, including the obligatory altar boy stint (monstrous lol there).

    Just trying to stay clear eyed with a bit larger historical perspective.

  77. 1987 Condo says:

    #76…so I take it you won’t be coming to the annual Texas Hold’em tournament I run for my church? $100, dinner, beer included!

  78. Ragnar says:

    I’m pro-reason. Aquinas tried and failed to reconcile the two. I might be willing to take up Greek Polytheism if I could get a big tax break out of it. Greek gods were basically like people, except they had superpowers and didn’t die. And they expected you to throw some lamb on the fire for them, as a sign of respect. But they didn’t expect you to think that everything was all about them, or that you lived in some unreal world that didn’t really count for much. And unless you were a hot-shot like Odysseus lucky enough to be favored by Athena, you didn’t really expect them to help you out much in life, or hang out with you after you die.

  79. 1987 Condo says:

    #79..i am thinking you were pretty much forced to join the crusades army by the leaders of the day where as the civil war had broad popular support….I could be wrong.

    In my mind the confederate battle flag was borne out of a planned insurrection, while the crucifix was to symbolize victory over death and was co-opted by, both then and now, perhaps, some evil and misguided folks.

    Notice I said “in my mind”..which I believe has already been determined to be somehat limited.

  80. leftwing says:

    “But they didn’t expect you to think that everything was all about them, or that you lived in some unreal world that didn’t really count for much.”

    I don’t think the founder of the religion we are discussing ever thought everything was about him. The church as it exists today with all its trappings could not be further away from the ideals he embraced. It became unrecognizable a millennia ago. I amuse myself sometimes thinking of the ‘money changers in the temple’ and then looking at what his church has become.

    “In my mind the confederate battle flag was borne out of a planned insurrection, while the crucifix was to symbolize victory over death”

    The crucifixion was the direct result of a planned frontal insurrection and attack on the elders of the day in the region’s dominant religion. It is the definition of insurrection (or at least of the outcome of being on the wrong side of one).

  81. Ragnar says:

    I never thought much about the confederate flag. I certainly never had a desire to own one. I guess some southerners are really into it, many probably without thinking of its historical meaning. On the other hand, some may be really into it, with the racism and such.

    I can remember that in third grade in a small redneck town in Florida, a kid asked me out of the blue “are you a rebel or a yankee?” I didn’t understand what he was asking. The civil war hadn’t been taught yet, and I don’t think the TV show “Dukes of Hazard” had even begun to air. I knew of the New York Yankees, so I knew I wasn’t a Yankee fan, so probably said I was a rebel, which must have satisfied him. Maybe he had a gun that day and I dodged a bullet there. He grew up to be a local firefighter, and later, a convicted arsonist.

  82. FKA 2010 Buyer says:

    [79] Leftwing

    I get where you are going. Where does it stop? Being PC is like walking a tightrope.

    Do you celebrate the cross or remember the Crusades?
    Do celebrate a General from your state or demonize the same General who killed innocent civilians?
    Do you celebrate Christopher Columbus or demonize him for raping and killing native American Indians?
    Do you celebrate (raise) a flag for your state or recognize it’s a symbol of racial discrimination?

    The list could go on and on and present complex issues. It should also be noted that there is “institutionalized forgetfulness”, if you look at your kid’s history books, you more than likely wouldn’t find more than a sentence or two on the negative aspects of our history. Which has its own merits but is basically saying let’s not talk about it.

    Speaking of complexity….is secession considered to be Treason?

  83. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The crucifix is the main symbol of the Christian religion. Therefore that representation supercedes any other meaning being represented by the symbol. Better comparison might be the flags of countries that were kings of colonialism and imperialism. Countless lives were lost under those flags.

    The main reason I am against the confederate flag is because of what it represents. Not racism, but the banner of a country created by states that wanted to break away from the United States. It’s a spit in the face of the United States to hang that in a state capital. They lost the war. It’s over. They need to get over it.

    I’ll never forget one experience I had in the early 90’s. Used to go to Florida by grandmas’s 3 or 4 times a year. So I became friends with the locals. There were these two brothers. They would call me Yankee and would start making up excuses for why they should have won the war. That was quite an experience to be living in the 90’s and these kids still obsessing over how they should have won the war. Simply mind blowing.

  84. leftwing says:

    “The crucifix is the main symbol of the Christian religion. Therefore that representation supercedes any other meaning being represented by the symbol.”

    McFly, you understand the Crusades were not only sanctioned by the Church but were a call to arms by the Church? Specifically by the Pope? That by ‘taking up the cross’ (the origin of that phrase) Crusaders were specifically granted effectively a free pass to heaven by the Pope in return for their service to the cross?

    The crucifix was their battle flag, their faith their bond, and annihilation of the otherly believing their goal.

    1 million dead, 200 years. Confederacy got nuthin’ on that ethnic bias.

  85. leftwing says:

    FKA, bingo. Thanks on Columbus. Topical hotpoint.

  86. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It’s a symbol that separates Christianity from Judaism. That’s what I’m talking about. It represents Jesus giving up the ultimate sacrifice so that man could live without original sin. This meaning will supersede any other meaning of the crucifix for as long as Christianity exists.

  87. leftwing says:

    You know what would have been nice instead of the hypocritical thoughtless rush for the exits by the retailers?

    One of them calls up a supplier, together they bang out ASAP a ‘collectible flag series’ given out for free to any kid under 12 in the stores. 12×24″ plastic box, see through, contains a dozen little replicas of interesting flags from US history you can hang from a tack. Short description why each one is relevant, what they mean. Why flags are important. Throw in selected state flags, the Gadsden, a balance review of the first (less controversial) confederate flag, original stars and stripes, the g@y rainbow, whatever you want to include in there.

    Make it educational, and bonding, and tie it in to July 4th – different ideals through history, one nation, freedom of expression for opposing views.

    Walmart has so much pull it could have been done overnight.

    Instead a bunch of fat PC pu$$ies masquerading as leaders take the equivalent of the GWB pass over Katrina ravaged New Orleans and figure the higher road is just getting of Dodge.

    Fcuking cowards want to make me puk3. This country has such a leadership vacuum it deserves to go down the tubes.

  88. leftwing says:

    “This meaning will supersede any other meaning of the crucifix for as long as Christianity exists.”

    Only because you selectively believe so by sticking your head in the sand to ignore other meanings and uses, specifically the massive destruction intentionally wrought in its name (while getting your panties twisted over a different selected meaning of another symbol).

    I don’t expect you to recognize either the irony or the hypocrisy.

  89. Walking Bye says:

    Pumpkin, that’s why I made the comment regarding the citizen uproar when a President Lincoln statue was being placed in Richmond Virginia. It was not 1900, 1960, it was the year 2003, and folks still had hard feeling towards Lincoln. Perhaps their history books told the civil war differently in school.

  90. homeboken says:

    92 – It’s not just hard feelings toward Lincoln, it is also celebration and adulation for confederate leaders.

    I went to college in the South. The 3rd Monday in January was nearly always called “Lee-Jackson-King Day”

    3rd billing for MLK and after Lee and Stonewall. This was 1998 by the way. The holiday was officially split by the state legislature into two Lee-Jackson and MLK days in 2000.

  91. Libturd in Union says:

    Poker game? Church? Beer? Send me the deets!

  92. The Great Pumpkin says:

    91- You do the same thing to me with economics….just piss on me without listening and then call me the idiot. I understand the crucifix has more than one meaning. I’m just bringing to light why the crucifix carries the Jesus meaning, it’s the main focus of the religion. Putting down the crucifix is putting down Christianity. The majority will never view the crucifix in the light you speak of.

  93. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    The photo from JC reminded me of a movie character but it took me all day to recall the movie and the character

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rXSTLIwLrw

    Warning: NSFW

  94. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    Hee, hee, hee. Time for some popcorn and fruity drinks, and a deck chair to watch from:

    “And I’ll make another prediction to you,” Limbaugh said Tuesday. “The next flag that will come under assault, and it will not be long, is the American flag. Do not look at me that way. It makes perfect sense. If you take a look at the timeline of progressive events, their speed and rapidity with which the left is conducting this assault on all of these American traditions and institutions, if you don’t think the American flag’s in their crosshairs down the road, you had better stop and reconsider.”

    Sure enough, Farrakhan wasted no time attacking the U.S. flag. “We need to put the American flag down,” he said after telling his audience America doesn’t care about the nine people killed in a historic black Charleston church.

    “What flag do the police have?” he wondered. “What flag flies over the ‘non-Justice’ Department? What flag flies over the White House where a black man lives that’s called (expletive deleted) every day?” His angry comments were met with wild cheers and applause.”

    “We fought in wars under that flag,” he continued. “And came back and were hung and were murdered and brutalized under that flag.”

    “Well now,” he said, lowering his voice, “we’re gonna pull the flag down.” He went on to tell the audience it’s “as easy as pulling your pants down.”

  95. Ragnar says:

    Libturd,
    Texas hold-em is fun, and a church event with beer and gambling can’t be all bad.
    I guess a Catholic church wouldn’t run this exact event, though the the occasional priest runs a Grabass Hold-him tournament instead.

  96. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    Patrick “John Steed” Macnee<Vigoda

  97. leftwing says:

    “just piss on me without listening and then call me the idiot”

    No, I never called you an idiot and I only pi$$ on you because I listen to you.

  98. FKA 2010 Buyer says:

    Farrakhan is wack job for sure. You may be more aware of the Tuskegee Airmen and their treatment in the war but probably haven’t heard about the Tuskegee Syphilis Study and wouldn’t read about it in any history books.

    Why the U.S. military exposed minority soldiers to toxic mustard gas

    It was a painful, horrifying and secret part of America’s history during World War II.

    The U.S. government conducted experiments with mustard gas and other chemicals on some U.S. troops at the time. That chapter of history was first revealed in the early ’90s. Now a new investigation by NPR finds the military used race-based experiments as part of those tests. African-American men, shown here in protective gear, as well as Japanese-American and Puerto Rican soldiers, were singled out.

    These pictures show the forearms of men exposed to mustard gas and other agents. Some, like Rollins Edwards, are living with the effects decades later, including injuries to their skin.

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/u-s-military-exposed-minority-soldiers-toxic-mustard-gas/

  99. Banco Popular Trust Preferred Shares says:

    “…..The language was at the time challenged by companies interested in getting in the exchange business.

    “I went up to the Hill to get the answer to my question: Why would you make this distinction with a state exchange?” said Lanny Davis, a former counsel in the Bill Clinton White House who is a lobbyist for Mountain View, Calif., broker eHealth Inc. “The answer was mind boggling to me: ‘We don’t trust the private sector.’ ”……”

  100. Ben says:

    Were you guys raped by priests or rabbis or something? Why the resentment towards religious people?

    Went to catholic school for 3 years. 1st grade, teacher was an evil woman. Hated every guy in the class. Treated girls named “Mary” as if they were actually the Virgin Mary. School would be 90 degrees but she wouldn’t let you get a drink of water. She claimed “it spoiled your lunch”. She just didn’t want the kids going to the bathroom. She retired that year and told a bunch of a six year olds we were so miserable that is why she is quitting.

    2nd grade, equally as bad. Woman told you that your parents don’t own you she owned you. She would slide kids in their desks into the wall.

    At my grandfather’s funeral, it was in that parish. I went into the basement to go take a leak. Flipped on the lights, the friggin room was the same setup as it was 30 years ago. I freaked out and ran back upstairs. Yes I’m still traumatized from that place.

  101. Grim says:

    Trump knocks Christie out of the Fox republican debate?

    That’s a hoot.

  102. Juice Box says:

    re: #103 – My old school and church is apparently shutting down St. Ann’s in the Bronx.

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Official-St-Ann-School-Page-Bronx/138734199545726

    I still fear wooden rulers especially the ones with the metal edge. Those nuns could spontaneously make a kid pee in his pants by just waving one around.

  103. Ben says:

    Only in Krugman’s world is a country running trillion dollar deficits suffering from being “austerian”.

  104. The Great Pumpkin says:

    109- Nice one. You have a point.

  105. Comrade Nom Deplume, Future uber driver says:

    Careful Pumpkin, you’ll be labeled a dangerous racist. After all, that’s how Roof got started.

  106. leftwing says:

    RJ, from the article:

    “[The Crusades] were not the brainchild of an ambitious pope or rapacious knights but a response to more than four centuries of conquests in which Muslims had already captured two-thirds of the old Christian world. At some point, Christianity as a faith and a culture had to defend itself or be subsumed by Islam. The Crusades were that defense.”

    Interesting link. Could write something similar about the ‘War of Northern Aggression’.

    Famous statesman: ‘History is written by the victors’.

  107. Grim says:

    Great weekend for a book burning

  108. NJT says:

    #108 Our Penguin used a yardstick. I think it’s why I have such large knuckles in relation to my hand size. Did help in a few fights later on, though…

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