Canary?

From Bloomberg:

Hamptons Home Prices Fall as More Sellers List Properties

The real estate market in New York’s Hamptons has cooled from a frenzied pace, with the median sale price in the beachfront towns falling to the lowest in a year and a half.

In the three months through June, Hamptons homes sold for a median of $849,000, down 6.5 percent from the second quarter of 2014, according to a report Thursday by brokerage Douglas Elliman Real Estate and appraiser Miller Samuel Inc. Completed deals in the area, the favored summer retreat of Wall Street financiers, tumbled 16 percent to 590.

More owners are putting their homes on the market after a surge in demand pushed prices to a seven-year high in 2014. Listings at the end of June totaled 1,694, up 2.9 percent from a year earlier and higher than the six-year quarterly average of 1,571, the firms said. With increased choices in most price ranges, shoppers were able to take their time on deals.

“The intensity has slowed a bit,” said Jonathan Miller, president of New York-based Miller Samuel and a Bloomberg View contributor. “Any time you have a pronounced period of growth, which we had in 2014, that pulls in more inventory because sellers say, ‘Hey it’s time to sell.’”

At the current pace of transactions, it would take 8.6 months to sell all the homes on the market, up from 7.1 months at the end of June 2014, the firms said.

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88 Responses to Canary?

  1. leftwing says:

    First, mofo. Nuthin to say, but first.

  2. leftwing says:

    Totally different market than the Hamptons but how are the high end shore towns doing in DOM, inventory, etc.

  3. grim says:

    Trump running as a third party candidate if he isn’t nominated? Pretty much means Republicans have no chance.

  4. grim says:

    Down in LBI – I’ll let you know in a day or two how things are down here.

  5. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    [3] Trump is a first rate disrupter. I almost want to work for him. I would like to see him become the banner man for throwing out all incumbents. I can’t wait until he takes on Hillary and says that she’s fatter and stupider than Rosie O’Donnell.

  6. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    [5] Wouldn’t the MSM be completely flummoxed if Trump started publicly stating which GOP candidates *shouldn’t* be re-elected?

  7. anon (the good one) says:

    @Salon:

    If the media had honestly covered GOP extremism, the Trump surge wouldn’t come as such a shock

  8. The Great Pumpkin says:

    When Gov. Chris Christie appears in Iowa today for a presidential-campaign event, his security for a visit that will last through Saturday will be provided by taxpayer-funded New Jersey state troopers. And for Christie, a Republican who officially announced his candidacy for president last month, it will be just the latest out-of-state trip in a busy campaign that in recent days has also taken him — and the troopers — through New Hampshire and South Carolina.

    Christie has thus far refused to reimburse New Jersey taxpayers for those security costs, even though the trips have little if anything to do with his official duties. And his stance contrasts sharply with that of Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, who is also seeking the GOP’s 2016 presidential nomination.

    http://www.njspotlight.com/stories/15/07/23/irked-by-christie-s-campaign-spending-lawmakers-move-to-limit-use-of-state-funds/

  9. grim says:

    Why the f&ck do any of these guys need security? To inflate their egos and sense of self-importance?

    The threat of assassination is a critical counterbalance in politics. Security should be banned for this specific reason.

    If Christie is president, will he then travel with an entire armored battalion?

    Politicians – newsflash – nobody cares about you enough to kill you – and if they did, we wouldn’t care.

  10. Comrade Nom Deplume, Thankfully Not Greek says:

    [7]

    Covered it? The media created it!

  11. nwnj says:

    #5

    What does it tell you when shltbags like anon are obsessing over a sideshow like Trump instead of paying attention to the dysfunction in their party? I guess they don’t have a viable candidate, their leading candidate is staring down the a felony rap.

  12. Comrade Nom Deplume, Thankfully Not Greek says:

    [9] grim

    I have to think that is tongue in cheek. Rather than promoting polity, that would prove highly destabilizing.

  13. Comrade Nom Deplume, Thankfully Not Greek says:

    [7]

    The hypocrisy and irony in that statement is so overpowering, I can smell it from here.

  14. Comrade Nom Deplume, Thankfully Not Greek says:

    [5] expat

    To me, the extreme anti-incumbent attitude we have in this nation is a big part of the reason we have the incumbents that we do have.

    Now, I realize that this sounds on its face as Fcuked Up as your typical anon post but I want you to ruminate on it for a bit and try to see where I am coming from. I promise that it isn’t as paradoxical as it sounds.

  15. Mike says:

    4 Say hi to the green flies

  16. Ragnarian the Magnificent channeling Pat Buchanan says:

    What Trump should be saying, but can’t because all those chemicals for his hair style masterpiece have damaged his brain is this.

    The plutocrats, elites, oligarchs, bosses, etc, of latin america prefer to export their people than to sacrifice to fix their own country and make it a heavenly place instead of a hell hole.

    Two things that you are not going to find in Latin America, legal abortion and estate taxes.

    You are not going to see Carlos Slim, mexico’s richest man doing a Andrew Carnegie and giving his money away to philantropy.

    You are not going to find the equivalent of “Bed Pan Alley” with its multiple quartenary care institutions. This is the area around York Avenue 67st to 71st. Which has Rockefeller University (biomedical research – Rockefeller $$ ), Memorial Sloan Kettering (cancer quartenary care and research – Rockefeller $$), Hospital for Special Surgery (proper name the New York Society for the care of the Ruptured and Crippled maintaining the Hospital for Special Surgery (orthopedic and rheumatology quartenary care and research center) first created orthopedic children hospital, the term medical resident comes from there – Vanderbilt $$ and lately the a Koch brother), Weill Cornell Medical College, Columbia University Physicians and Surgeon Medical School, and the Weill Cornell Medical Center ( Sandy Weill & his Citibank gimmick $$ among many others).

    This is a point that the Ragnar of today can not understand, as well as a reason of why in Latin America Fidel Castro still admired. Communism/collectivism and the stuff that the likes of Castro is bad. But worse is the green eye monster of envy created by severe inequality. This green eye monster is what destroys society; is best said by an old russian proverb – Two poor farmers, live next to each other and both have one cow, one says – he prefers his cow to die than for his neighbor to get a second one.

    This is what Trump is tapping into along with the perceived sell out of our national economic interest to multinational corporations that have no national benevolence or loyalty. If trump clears up his message, he might have a better than normal chance.

  17. JJ says:

    Selling like hot cakes.

    leftwing says:
    July 24, 2015 at 7:19 am
    Totally different market than the Hamptons but how are the high end shore towns doing in DOM, inventory, etc.

  18. Essex says:

    11. You mad bro?

  19. Banco Popular Trust Preferred Shares says:

    Christie is really flipping the bird hard to NJ…….I wonder what his next stop will be after 2017 is over…..he may as well move out of the state…….

  20. Grim says:

    My tongue and cheek have fused together after all the years blogging

  21. nwnj says:

    Not at all, just calling out the idiot and others for following the script produced for them yet again. Not much critical thinking among that crowd.

  22. Grim says:

    All the candidates suck. Neither party can manufacture a leader. Probably because anyone with enough skill and common sense to be a great president also has enough common sense to stay far away from it.

  23. Grim says:

    Xanadu is getting a water park!!!!

    What, no monorail?

  24. nwnj says:

    I don’t disagree overall, but that’s beside the point.

    The story right now is how useful as lemmings and idiots so many are, anon and others here are perfect examples.

    Can anyone explain to me how Hillary Clinton is in anyway a more qualified candidate than Trump or Ronald McDonald for that matter, yet the storyline these fools are going for completely ignores that.

    She’s looking at a felony rap right now for disclosing state secrets, not to mention all the other baggage that could fill multiple volumes.

  25. leftwing says:

    “The threat of assassination is a critical counterbalance in politics. Security should be banned for this specific reason.”

    Quote of the day.

  26. leftwing says:

    Maybe Schumer would even shut up.

  27. anon (the good one) says:

    “Much like incessant masturbation, eventually you feel a deep sense of shame,”
    Jon Stewart said on Wednesday night’s “Daily Show.”

    Stewart, of course, was referring to the significant amount of time he’s spent mocking Donald Trump in the weeks since the business magnate and unhinged Twitter personality announced his 2016 bid mid-June.

    @Salon: Jon Stewart explains why he needs to take a Donald Trump break

  28. Action Park’s reopening renders all other summer destinations irrelevant.

  29. Fast Eddie says:

    I wonder if any of you lefties would show up at a get-together for a debate? What do you think the odds are of any of you showing up?

  30. nwnj says:

    They’ll be too busy watching the daily show and having a circle j- apparently.

  31. homeboken says:

    Grim – Monorail, Monorail, Monorail

    http://tinyurl.com/ooouhcu

  32. Banco Popular Trust Preferred Shares says:

    WORD OF THE DAY
    Agastopia – noun
    Definition: Admiring a particular part of someone’s body.

    Example: “I have an acute case of agastopia when I daydream about Shirley’s left elbow.”

  33. FKA 2010Buyer says:

    The Gift of Hindsight: Did Prime Loans Cause the Mortgage Crisis? The Gift of Hindsight: Did Prime Loans Cause the Mortgage Crisis?

    Conventional wisdom holds that subprime loans were at the root of the mortgage crisis which dominated the first decade of this century and contributed to the worst financial calamity in more than 70 years.

    But a new analysis of the mortgage crisis, which cost millions of families their homes and brought down storied financial institutions such as Lehman Brothers and Washington Mutual, suggests prime loans, not subprime, were the major driver and “the crisis was not solely, or even primarily, a subprime sector event.”

    That’s the conclusion of Fernando Ferreira and Joseph Gyourko of The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania in their paper “A New Look at the U.S. Foreclosure Crisis: Panel Data Evidence of Prime and Subprime Borrowers From 1997 to 2012.” This paper was released in June by the National Bureau of Economic Research. Current LTVs, they said in their study, were the reason so many borrowers defaulted

    According to their research, 39,094 more subprime borrowers than prime borrowers lost their homes from 3Q 2006 through 1Q 2008. The difference, the authors said, was completely reversed by the beginning of 2009 when 40,630 more prime than subprime borrowers lost their homes.

    http://dsnews.com/daily-dose/07-21-2015/the-gift-of-hindsight-did-prime-loans-cause-the-mortgage-crisis

  34. FKA 2010Buyer says:

    Debating political views is the ultimate circle jerk. Arguing points of view or candidates that could give two sh%$s about you unless you gave a significant campaign contribution. And even then, it gets you a nice photo.

  35. anon (the good one) says:

    @is_fink: @TheStalwart

    the 1st generation makes war,
    the 2nd generation makes steel
    &the 3rd gen. get Citigroup to teach their children art history

    “In the past, wealth managers haven’t been so successful at keeping younger clients. On average, firms have seen almost half of the assets leave when a family’s wealth is being handed to the next generation, according to the latest figures from a report on global private banking by consulting firm PricewaterhouseCoopers.

    Banks are trying to reverse that trend because an estimated $36 trillion is expected to transfer to heirs in U.S. households alone from 2007 to 2061, according to a 2014 study by the Center on Wealth and Philanthropy at Boston College. The figure swells when including billionaires worldwide, a majority of whom are over age 60 and have more than one child.

    Citi Private Bank’s event included a session on buying art because the asset class is increasingly seen as an investment, with global art sales hitting a record in 2014 as new collectors drove up prices for trophy works.Citi Private Bank’s event included a session on buying art because the asset class is increasingly seen as an investment, with global art sales hitting a record in 2014 as new collectors drove up prices for trophy works.

  36. FKA 2010Buyer says:

    I’ve heard of drug free zones but never heard of “NSL zone” before.

    U.K. Police Drop Investigation Into Tradition Financial Services
    The City of London Police, which investigates financial crime, opened a criminal investigation around 2011 into potential improprieties involving lavish spending and attempts to win overseas business by a number of Tradition brokers. Tradition had been cooperating with the investigation and has described itself to investigators as a victim of its former employees’ fraudulent activity, the people said.
    But the brokerage firm, one of the world’s largest, informed the police late last year that the company had decided to stop helping.
    The board of the Tradition unit where the alleged misconduct occurred “is concerned that the benefits of a successful prosecution will be outweighed by the damage which will be done to it in the course of a prosecution,” according to a letter sent Dec. 23 from Malcolm McCaig, one of the board members, to a City of London Police official. “This includes reputational damage that is likely to arise” in relation to materials uncovered in the investigation about “alleged activities by some of the individuals, especially while abroad.” As a result, Mr. McCaig concluded, the board feels that “continuing with a prosecution is not in the best interests of [Tradition] and its employees.”
    Among other things, the brokers paid for senior Libyan officials to fly to Marrakesh, Morocco, where they rented a luxury desert villa and had wild parties, according to people familiar with the trips and electronic-chat records reviewed by the Journal. One of Tradition’s Libyan guests referred to an upcoming Marrakesh excursion as “a week [of] joy in the NSL zone,” according to a chat transcript. That stood for “no sploosh left,” people familiar with the expression said.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-k-police-drop-investigation-into-tradition-financial-services-1437560043

  37. Ragnar says:

    Getting excited about polling leads before there have been any debates or primaries is purely about boosting media ratings and diverting attention from more important topics. Like the absurdity of negotiating a treaty with someone who promises he will continue to champion your death and destruction, every day, for as long as it takes.

  38. Not Ragnared says:

    So Ragnar, are you signing up yourself, kids, family with the military with the proviso that you want to only fight Iran?

    Look the ME is a medieval hellhole that has to learn the lesson. The lesson that took Europe 300 years of blood, sweat and tears. The lesson that “it’s better, more comfortable and profitable to tolerate than to fight for generations of blood, sweat and tears because of dogma”.

    The ME is going to learn it. It’s just going to be much faster, nastier and bloodier than they ever thought it would.

    Cognitive dissonance chicken hawks like you, just don’t get it. And think Uncle Sam has to meddle there, but of course, with some other person’s child blood, sweat and tears.

  39. anon (the good one) says:

    “… child blood, sweat and tears.”

    minor practicalities to those who will never serve

  40. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Exactly! It’s comical.

    grim says:
    July 24, 2015 at 8:37 am
    Why the f&ck do any of these guys need security? To inflate their egos and sense of self-importance?

    The threat of assassination is a critical counterbalance in politics. Security should be banned for this specific reason.

    If Christie is president, will he then travel with an entire armored battalion?

    Politicians – newsflash – nobody cares about you enough to kill you – and if they did, we wouldn’t care.

  41. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I don’t even know why he is governor. When you have a job to do, you do it. This it total bs. I want a visionary who really cares about this state and has the balls to fix it.

    Banco Popular Trust Preferred Shares says:
    July 24, 2015 at 9:15 am
    Christie is really flipping the bird hard to NJ…….I wonder what his next stop will be after 2017 is over…..he may as well move out of the state…….

  42. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Beautiful post. Hits the problem on the head.

    Ragnarian the Magnificent channeling Pat Buchanan says:
    July 24, 2015 at 8:59 am
    What Trump should be saying, but can’t because all those chemicals for his hair style masterpiece have damaged his brain is this.

    The plutocrats, elites, oligarchs, bosses, etc, of latin america prefer to export their people than to sacrifice to fix their own country and make it a heavenly place instead of a hell hole.

    Two things that you are not going to find in Latin America, legal abortion and estate taxes.

    You are not going to see Carlos Slim, mexico’s richest man doing a Andrew Carnegie and giving his money away to philantropy.

    You are not going to find the equivalent of “Bed Pan Alley” with its multiple quartenary care institutions. This is the area around York Avenue 67st to 71st. Which has Rockefeller University (biomedical research – Rockefeller $$ ), Memorial Sloan Kettering (cancer quartenary care and research – Rockefeller $$), Hospital for Special Surgery (proper name the New York Society for the care of the Ruptured and Crippled maintaining the Hospital for Special Surgery (orthopedic and rheumatology quartenary care and research center) first created orthopedic children hospital, the term medical resident comes from there – Vanderbilt $$ and lately the a Koch brother), Weill Cornell Medical College, Columbia University Physicians and Surgeon Medical School, and the Weill Cornell Medical Center ( Sandy Weill & his Citibank gimmick $$ among many others).

    This is a point that the Ragnar of today can not understand, as well as a reason of why in Latin America Fidel Castro still admired. Communism/collectivism and the stuff that the likes of Castro is bad. But worse is the green eye monster of envy created by severe inequality. This green eye monster is what destroys society; is best said by an old russian proverb – Two poor farmers, live next to each other and both have one cow, one says – he prefers his cow to die than for his neighbor to get a second one.

    This is what Trump is tapping into along with the perceived sell out of our national economic interest to multinational corporations that have no national benevolence or loyalty. If trump clears up his message, he might have a better than normal chance.

  43. Essex says:

    29. Everyone knows you are a master debater .

  44. Juice Box says:

    Party is over.

    New home sales unexpectedly plunged 6.8% to 482,000 annualized units, far below any Bloomberg Consensus Estimate.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/24/us-usa-economy-idUSKCN0PY1OH20150724?feedType=RSS&feedName=businessNews

  45. leftwing says:

    Eddie, you out of attorney review yet?

  46. Ragnar says:

    Who is this “Not” jerk?

  47. number2 says:

    the entire lot

    “… the President is always a controversial choice, always an infuriating but fascinating character. His job is not to wield power but to draw attention away from it.”
    http://www.hhgproject.org/entries/president.html

    just don’t look
    http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/54613/just_don_t_look/

  48. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The party didn’t even start yet in most locations.

    Juice Box says:
    July 24, 2015 at 1:09 pm
    Party is over.

    New home sales unexpectedly plunged 6.8% to 482,000 annualized units, far below any Bloomberg Consensus Estimate.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/24/us-usa-economy-idUSKCN0PY1OH20150724?feedType=RSS&feedName=businessNews

  49. joyce says:

    Ben,
    I watched the 50 min video of the arrest; I can’t believe you’re defending the cop. The cop was clearly the aggressor.

  50. JJ says:

    I would love to hear Beavis and Butthead say Masturbater

    Essex says:
    July 24, 2015 at 12:52 pm
    29. Everyone knows you are a master debater .

  51. Fast Eddie says:

    leftwing,

    Not yet. My attorney is still working on things and there’s still is a chance that I will pull the plug on this deal.

  52. Fast Eddie says:

    Like the absurdity of negotiating a treaty with someone who promises he will continue to champion your death and destruction, every day, for as long as it takes.

    Very true and stated perfectly.

  53. Comrade Nom Deplume, Thankfully Not Greek says:

    [52] Eddie

    I can just imagine His O-ness’ handler telling him “whatever you do, don’t say that this ensures Peace in Our Time”

  54. Juice Box says:

    re # 51 – cold feet?

  55. Fast Eddie says:

    Nom,

    You can feel the pessimism and anger in this country over the duration of this @ssholes reign. It’s gotten progressively worse each year. Never has the message been optimistic and uplifting. I never felt inspired by this fake. His definition of success is to blame, divide and finger point. He’s anything but a statesmen.

  56. Fast Eddie says:

    Juice,

    No. They need to give us a little time to get things in order. Why would they want to jeopardize the deal if they got a buyer? But honestly, carrying two mortgages would make anyone squirm.

  57. Juice Box says:

    re# 56 – “give us a little time to get things in order.” Your attorney should easily be able to push the closing a month or even two. We gave our sellers two months to GTFO or we walked. They wanted more time and I did not want to miss the Summer in my pool.

  58. Fast Eddie says:

    Juice,

    I asked for two more weeks. I have no idea if they agreed. Ideally, we’re still asking them to allow me to get a “bite” on me selling my house. I’m nixing my vacation as to aggressively push my house. When I tried this two years ago, my house was sold in a few days. Since then, I’ve added a new roof, new A/C condensing unit, new garage door, re-painted everything, crown molding and other things. We’ll see. If I need to go into this under contract, I’m going to be doing a lot of drinking.

  59. Ben says:

    I watched the 50 min video of the arrest; I can’t believe you’re defending the cop. The cop was clearly the aggressor.

    I didn’t see the 50 minute video. I reserve the right to change my mind on him. Although chances are, I’m not going to watch it. I don’t have a free 15 minutes, let alone 50. Either way, it will never change the fact that the woman was being ridiculous.

  60. leftwing says:

    Surprised as a teacher Ben you come down so hard on her behavior. Not criticism, just observation.

    I wouldn’t say she was ridiculous. Was she unnecessarily difficult, yeah. But she clearly did absolutely nothing to warrant the ‘light you up’ aggression.

    Even the cops department put him on desk duty for violating procedure.

    Likely all of us on here have encountered similar levels of frustration with someone else in our workplace. None of has, I will venture, responded to it like the cop did. He did not meet even the normal workplace standard. As someone granted the ability by the State to detain, arrest, or shoot me I would hope for at least that standard, and quite frankly a higher one.

  61. joyce says:

    “Either way, it will never change the fact that the woman was being ridiculous.”

    I couldn’t disagree more… and I’ll leave it at that.

  62. Ben says:

    Surprised as a teacher Ben you come down so hard on her behavior. Not criticism, just observation.

    As a teacher, I’ve never had to deal with someone that displayed the level of insubordination that she did.

  63. joyce says:

    Ben,
    Are you objecting to her loud mouth etc after piggy needlessly escalated things because she didn’t put out her cigarette which was in violation of zero laws whatsoever?

    Insubordination, pff! Students have to follow your instructions always. Always, unless of course you ask them to something ridiculous. She immediately pulled over, she gave her papers… what else did she legally have to do?

  64. Ben says:

    According to one of the legal experts on CNN a day or two ago, she was required to legally exit the car. She refused. If you have issue with the cop doing that, fine. But she was in violation of the law and when someone refuses to comply, usually it’s for a troubling reason. How many times did he try to even give her the warning or just say as much? He was never able to get a word in.

    If you don’t think she was being ridiculous mouthing off the entire time, then I question your objectivity. Both officers on scene told her to stop resisting and at some point, she apparently did strike the officer.

    Just because it shouldn’t have gotten that far doesn’t change the fact that the woman was insistent upon talking back, physically resisting, and acting hysterical the entire time. I’ve seen gangbangers display better manners when the cops harassed them.

  65. Essex says:

    62. Ben you wouldn’t last a week in sme districts I have seen.

  66. joyce says:

    Ben Ben Ben

    Did you not see the part where THE ONLY REASON he asked her out of the car was because she didn’t put out her cigarette?

  67. joyce says:

    I said yesterday the f-ed up courts have ruled that cops can ask anyone out of the car whenever they want (whether or not they’re about to arrest someone) if they get scared. Even know that’s horrendous policy and law… my issue is not with that. It’s what preceded it.

  68. joyce says:

    “If you don’t think she was being ridiculous mouthing off the entire time, then I question your objectivity.”

    She didn’t even say but a few words until he asked her why she was upset. Normal people are irritated when they get pulled over. Even though JJ (recent story) and Chifi (story a while ago) like to bend over during traffic stops… doesn’t change the fact.

    “Both officers on scene told her to stop resisting and at some point, she apparently did strike the officer.”

    Off camera and I have no reason to doubt their story nor believe it. Cause I’m sure this would be the first time cops shouted stop resisting just so it was recorded. (Bloomfield anyone? … or a thousand other examples)

    “Just because it shouldn’t have gotten that far doesn’t change the fact…”

    Yes, it does. That is the entire point. People don’t get to create a problem, then react to someone else’s reaction and then play innocent. (George Zimmerman?)

    “… that the woman was insistent upon talking back, physically resisting, and acting hysterical the entire time.”

    I will reiterate she did nothing of the sort until the cop escalated things. Then she decided to talk A LOT of sh-t.

  69. Ragnar says:

    Grim,
    Christie needs security for the supplies of sausage patties and donuts that travel with him.

  70. leftwing says:

    “As a teacher, I’ve never had to deal with someone that displayed the level of insubordination that she did”

    And when it happens how would you react? Like the cop or like the professional you are?

    “the fact that the woman was insistent upon talking back, physically resisting, and acting hysterical the entire time…”

    Talking back and hysteria are not against the law nor grounds for arrest or tazing. Physical resistance is. It is just a little too coincidental for me that alleged action happened off camera with a jacked-up emotional cop.

    She escalated needlessly. His job is to de-escalate. He went the other direction.

  71. anon (the good one) says:

    Ben’s issue is not legal. It’s that “she was being ridiculous mouthing off the entire time”.

    White privilege precedes the law

  72. leftwing says:

    71.

    The cop-“assailant” events that have occurred recently have been for the most part been white cop/”black assailant”.

    That is unfortunate because I believe the underlying issue is less one of racism, but instead individual instances of sociopathic control freaks with no behavior modulation armed with weapons in an environment absent oversight, actually, in an environment that proactively covers for their disorders and misdeeds.

    There was absolutely zero reason, and zero justification, for the cop to request she extinguish her cigarette. When this petty exercise of power was refused his world crumbled and he exploded.

    Guy needs some serious psych screening to see if he is emotionally fit.

  73. Juice Box says:

    Nicki Minaj at the PNC tonight what a s*** show people are walking on the Parkway in heavy traffic nd hawking. t-shirts

  74. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    [14] Nom – I get it. Everyone is so busy cheering for laundry that they are laser-focused on defeating the bad guy in the other party and at the same time paying no attention to what we’re offering up as “winners”. Not me though. I want them all out and I want the new guys we put in out even faster. There was never supposed to a lifetime gig of “career politician”.

    [5] expat

    To me, the extreme anti-incumbent attitude we have in this nation is a big part of the reason we have the incumbents that we do have.

    Now, I realize that this sounds on its face as Fcuked Up as your typical anon post but I want you to ruminate on it for a bit and try to see where I am coming from. I promise that it isn’t as paradoxical as it sounds.

  75. Alex Bevan says:

    Until cops start facing the exact same penalties for breaking the law as the general population of this country, it’s all a mute point. They are essentially immune. When they do break the law they get special treatment because they are cops. They have no fear. Linden cop that t killed two people on his third DUI in jail yet? Lose his job?

    Throw an offending cop in gen pop in Newark for the weekend as they await a Monday bail hearing, see how they change their attitude. The very definition of special.

  76. Ben says:

    And when it happens how would you react? Like the cop or like the professional you are?

    When it happens, I give them detention. Or in an extreme case, which is only once in my career, I have to notify the principal and send them there.

    The cop chose to have her exit the vehicle to talk to her. She chose to not exit. What option did she leave with refusing. All mouthing off aside, when you refuse to exit your vehicle after asked, you will be forcibly removed.

    Furthermore, I seriously doubt the fact that it went off camera was planned at all. They went to the side of the road which is normal. And I don’t think that he planned to have to forcibly cuff her. She was the one who forced the reaction with her antics.

  77. juice Box says:

    I mouthed off to an NJ State Trooper when I was 18 while pulled over on the parkway.Dog was brought out too, apparenly a wriggly gum wrapper you know the little piece of tinfoil is enough probable cause to search my car. They said after the dog did not get a hit they were going to take the car seats out. did not get that far, I apologized profusely and whipped out a get out of jail free card that I had you know the signed PBA card. Must have been my privilege? No it was my apology…

  78. Ben says:

    Ben you wouldn’t last a week in sme districts I have seen.

    I grew up in bad school districts and lived in bad areas my entire life up until 6 years ago. I’ve also worked with students of nearly every ability level. I’d do just fine.

  79. Juice Box says:

    Eddie – jet.com in Hoboken the Pearson building, next big thing.

  80. Ben says:

    Insubordination, pff! Students have to follow your instructions always. Always, unless of course you ask them to something ridiculous.

    Btw…This is just incorrect on every level. Students are under no mandatory obligation to do anything or follow any instructions. You aren’t even legally allowed to prevent them from leaving the classroom if they want to. If the students want to walk all over you, they can and will and there’s nothing you can do about it. They do it all the time to certain teachers and always do it to the subs. Furthermore, try working for an administration that never carries out any discipline. Most districts don’t. You have to convince them that you are worth their time. If you do, they fall in line and you never have an issue.

  81. Juice Box says:

    Ben – credit is due to you. I know what you do plenty of teachers in my circle, most Corporate folks could not hack it.

  82. A Home Buyer says:

    Ben,

    Your lack of troubled students is surprising. My spouse has had death threats thrown at them, arguments from the prior teachers class period turn into physical bouts in their classroom before the new class period even starts, and even been injured by a student (wasnt the primary target of the blow).

    No student offense ever received a suspension longer then 3 days. Quite honestly, we are counting the days until qualification for their retirement plan so my spouse can quit and maybe, in a few decades, collect a miniscule non-adjusted pension.

    You cannot legislate responsibility or morality in a populace. This state is doomed.

  83. juice Box says:

    We can always got back to the nuns with rulers. Pendulum swings too far sometimes.

  84. Fast Eddie says:

    Juice,

    Thanks for the Jet.com heads up! :) Always good to know these things.

  85. Ben says:

    Your lack of troubled students is surprising. My spouse has had death threats thrown at them, arguments from the prior teachers class period turn into physical bouts in their classroom before the new class period even starts, and even been injured by a student (wasnt the primary target of the blow).

    No student offense ever received a suspension longer then 3 days. Quite honestly, we are counting the days until qualification for their retirement plan so my spouse can quit and maybe, in a few decades, collect a miniscule non-adjusted pension.

    You cannot legislate responsibility or morality in a populace. This state is doomed.

    My lack of troubled students was a reflection of the town I taught in and the fact that I was teaching the AP students in that town after my first few years. I feel for you wife and the BS she has to deal with. A lot of people tried to use it against me that I don’t teach in an inner city school. Wtf am I supposed to do, accept less money to teach troubled students?

  86. Essex says:

    86. Naw. We all have a part to play. Sounds like you like your work. You feel good about what you do.

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