National Home Prices up 6.8% YOY

From HousingWire:

CoreLogic: Home prices rise 6.8% in October

Home prices nationwide, including distressed sales, increased by 6.8% in the month of October when compared with one year ago, according to CoreLogic’s (CLGX) latest Home Price Index.

CoreLogic’s latest Home Price Index and HPI Forecast showed that home prices rose slightly in October over the previous month, rising 1% over September.

September’s Home Price Index was also up 0.6% compared to August.

“As we move forward, the rise in home prices will need to be better correlated to family income trends over time to avoid homes becoming unaffordable for many,” Nallathambi said. “This is especially true in several metropolitan areas where home prices have grown rapidly.”

CoreLogic’s report also showed that home prices are projected to increase by 5.2% percent on a year-over-year basis from Oct. 2015 to Oct. 2016, and the projected month-over-month gain will be just 0.1% from Oct. 2015 to Nov. 2015.

“Many markets have experienced a low inventory of homes for sale along with strong buyer demand, which is sustaining upward pressure on home prices. These conditions are likely to persist as we enter 2016,” said Dr. Frank Nothaft, chief economist for CoreLogic. “A year from now, as we finish out October 2016, we expect the CoreLogic national Home Price Index appreciation to slow to 5.2%.”

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149 Responses to National Home Prices up 6.8% YOY

  1. grim says:

    In the same report:

    New Jersey Statewide – Up 2.0% YOY
    New York-Jersey City-White Plains NY-NJ Metro Area – Up 6.4% YOY

  2. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    Fabian is still under the narcissistic assumption that he is worth the effort to craft a response; I saw sleep as far more important. Not all of us work third shift, Rory.

    Besides, what is there to defend? I called him a c*nt to be insulting and provocative. I’d say it worked.

    Splat, appreciate the offer of help. Personally, I thought the c*nt did a creditable job of making my “point” for me. You should do as I do and sit back and enjoy the show.

  3. grim says:

    What’s the big deal about Zuck? What happens when FB shares are worth zero in 5 years? Or, maybe that’s the point? Get while the gettin’s good.

  4. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    Must be a West Coast thing. Seems that the left’s latest darling CEO was being less than altruistic. Or honest.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2015-gravity-ceo-dan-price/

  5. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    [3] grim

    “Get while the gettin’s good.”

    The succinct rationale underpinning inversions and renunciations

  6. anon (the good one) says:

    your use of Cankles is misogynistic, no doubt about it

  7. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I know my history, do you? This is a fine example of why you need a govt to check and balance individuals under a capitalist free market. You, rags, and fast eddie types are unable to understand this. You can’t trust certain human beings, they will try to take advantage of any situation they are in. So thank people like Rockefeller for why we need regulation, they proved that we do indeed need it.

    “Rockefeller’s enormous wealth and success made him a target of muckraking journalists, reform politicians and others who viewed him as a symbol of corporate greed and criticized the methods with which he’d built his empire. As The New York Times reported in 1937: “He was accused of crushing out competition, getting rich on rebates from railroads, bribing men to spy on competing companies, of making secret agreements, of coercing rivals to join the Standard Oil Company under threat of being forced out of business, building up enormous fortunes on the ruins of other men, and so on.””

    http://www.history.com/topics/john-d-rockefeller

    joyce says:
    December 1, 2015 at 9:40 pm
    Idiot,
    Where did get your “facts” from this time? Your knowledge of history is infantile.

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    December 1, 2015 at 9:16 pm
    You take away govt, and they have more money than anyone else. Will they not become some form of govt one way or the other in this position?

    You think because there is a govt, this is where their power comes from? You truly believe this? I don’t know, but don’t you think money is where their power comes from? Take away govt and they will still be buying people out to get what they want. Did you see how standard oil took over and black mailed every single business sector during its rise to power? The govt barely took back the power from these barons. They were more powerful than the govt. We are lucky that a rough rider named teddy roosevelt said enough is enough and ran for president to take on these barons. Why would I want to go back to that kind of world?

    joyce says:
    December 1, 2015 at 8:59 pm
    99,
    Do you understand the English language? They are not able to do what they want without the government bureaucracy wielding its power.

  8. grim says:

    Muffin Top? Is that OK? Whale tail?

  9. anon (the good one) says:

    Prison is the model society for rags and fast edddi types. No rules or regulations, let the strong rape the weak. and let that be a lesson to the weak

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    December 2, 2015 at 7:52 am
    I know my history, do you? This is a fine example of why you need a govt to check and balance individuals under a capitalist free market. You, rags, and fast eddie types are unable to understand this. You can’t trust certain human beings, they will try to take advantage of any situation they are in. So thank people like Rockefeller for why we need regulation, they proved that we do indeed need

  10. Q. How does an Irish guy cheat on his wife?
    A. He beats up his mistress.

  11. anon (the good one) says:

    WSJ
    Bank of Japan’s Message to Unions: Ask for More Cash
    Sharper wage growth seen as essential in battle against deflation

    By TAKASHI NAKAMICHI
    Updated Dec. 2, 2015 3:27 a.m. ET

    TOKYO—Bank of Japan officials are getting frustrated with labor union pay demands, people close to the central bank say. The problem? They should be asking for more.

    The officials are convinced that sharper wage growth is essential for overcoming more than a decade of deflation. But many unionized workers are softening their wage demands compared with last year, despite surging profits and a tight labor market.

  12. LOL

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-02/us-cahoots-isis-iraqis-swear-it-not-doubt

    Recall that last month Shiite fighters backed by the Iraqi army retook the Baiji refinery near Siniya (we profiled the fight here). Here’s what Mustafa Saadi, a Shiite commander involved in that particular effort has to say about America’s relationship with ISIS:“It is not in doubt. ISIS is almost finished. They are weak. If only America would stop supporting them, we could defeat them in days.”

  13. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    [6] anon (and for good reason)

    Shouldn’t you be in your safe space?

  14. Firms contributed a better-than-expected 217,000 positions for the month, according to the latest count from payroll processing firm ADP and Moody’s Analytics. The number was ahead of Wall Street expectations for 190,000 new private sector jobs and topped the 196,000 positions created in October, a number that was revised upward from the initially reported 182,000.

  15. grim says:

    Surprised sales fell only 25%

  16. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    Cars aren’t the only strong sellers

    http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/02/black-friday-breaks-record-with-185k-gun-background-checks.html

    I swear that the folks over at NRA must say a silent prayer of thanks for Obama every day. Gun sellers and lawyers are cashing in on this president

  17. Ragnar says:

    My ideal society is one where all relations with one another are voluntary, rather than coerced, where protecting individual rights is the only purpose of government, and where the culture is dominated by reason, productiveness, achievement, and the mutual respect that inspires in people for one another.

  18. Ragnar says:

    Rockefeller – another distortion of history by leftist historians and propagandists. See this article, and you might learn something about business, besides learning about history:
    https://www.theobjectivestandard.com/issues/2008-summer/standard-oil-company/

  19. grim says:

    Love the story in the Record today about NJ suing Exxon for MTBE pollution. You know, the oxygenate that the clean air act mandated to be added to gasoline.

    http://www.northjersey.com/news/n-j-in-multimillion-dollar-faceoff-with-exxon-1.1465488

    I know there is much more to this story than this short article covers, but really, chalk this one down to legislative unintended consequences…

  20. D-FENS says:

    20 – Liar! No one is ever harmed by regulation. It’s always good.

  21. [20] grim – I remember when it was first disclosed as a leak from the Shell station just off Route 80 on Green Pond Rd in Rockaway.

    A Shell hydrogeologist testified in the South Lake Tahoe case that he first dealt with an MTBE spill in 1980 in Rockaway, N.J., where seven MTBE plumes were leaking from underground storage tanks. [Excerpt | Full document] By 1981, when the Shell scientist wrote an internal report on the Rockaway plumes, the joke inside Shell was that MTBE really stood for “Most Things Biodegrade Easier.” Later, other versions of the joke circulated, including “Menace Threatening Our Bountiful Environment,” or apropos to the present attempt to limit liability, “Major Threat to Better Earnings.”

    http://www.ewg.org/research/mtbe-knowledge

    Love the story in the Record today about NJ suing Exxon for MTBE pollution. You know, the oxygenate that the clean air act mandated to be added to gasoline.

  22. ^^^ IIRC from the 60 minutes story, “Great for air, for water…not so much”

  23. Juice Box says:

    re: # 3 – “What happens when FB shares are worth zero in 5 years?”

    It won’t be zero, maybe just above $1 to keep it off the pink sheets.

    Even AOL sold last year for 4 Billion to Verizon, seems their Ad revenue was worth it.

  24. Libturd the Misogynistic Cankle Hater in Union says:

    The whole ethanol mess is a perfect example of excessive government meddling (overregulation). Plus, it’s horrible on small engines. I just bought a 6-pack of ethanol-free gas for my trimmer and leaf blower. It has an advertised shelf life of 2 years and won’t gum up my carbs. It’s also like $16 a gallon.

  25. Libturd the Misogynistic Cankle Hater in Union says:

    “Auto sales are supposedly strong”

    You can say that again. LAD, our investment clubs best stock of 2015, is on fire. We started our position as oil prices (12/24/14) collapsed. We have been adding to it ever since. Even with the continued purchases, we are still averaging nearly 50% annualized growth on that one.

  26. Fast Eddie says:

    [22],

    The question that remains is if our own American Mainstream Media will allow the crumbling facade that is the Obama myth to be more fully exposed or work double-time to protect and maintain that image in the final year of the Obama presidency.

    An assh0le indeed. And a c*nt.

  27. Fast Eddie says:

    Prison is the model society for rags and fast edddi types. No rules or regulations, let the strong rape the weak. and let that be a lesson to the weak.

    Debtor’s prison would be nice. And if you need government assistance and aren’t disabled, you’ll have to work in some capacity. Wash the windows in the county buildings, pick up trash, etc.

  28. Libturd the Misogynistic Cankle Hater in Union says:

    “Prison is the model society for rags and fast edddi types.”

    There needs to be a safe space in the rightist prison!

  29. Juice Box says:

    All gasoline in Alaska is ethanol-free no corn grown there and no way to transport it there efficiently.

  30. Libturd the Misogynistic Cankle Hater in Union says:

    Owners.com Identifies Top Growth Markets for Home Prices Data Reveals Double Digit Price Increases in Four Markets

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/owners-com-identifies-top-growth-140000269.html

  31. Libturd the Misogynistic Cankle Hater in Union says:

    “All gasoline in Alaska is ethanol-free”

    Probably great for their chainsaws.

  32. Trapper Dan says:

    re: #33 – I would be more worried about my snow machine. Every-time I am out in the bush on a remote line on my snow machine trapping furs the last thing I am thinking about are my chainsaws. All living pilots (or trappers like me) have one thing in common we all use good clean Alaskan gas.

    I’ve limped home on my steed with a bent ski, busted springs, bent handlebars, broke engine mount, missing exhaust, broken chain, bent crankshaft, busted tie-rod, tipped track, cracked carb, smashed fenders, cracked frame, leaky tank, snapped throttle cables, bad engine coil, frozen wheel bearings, cracked crank seal, stripped bolts, collapsed shocks, leaky gas line, bad knees, broken back, inflamed pancreas, wounded leg, broken foot, busted wrist. I’ve have always been able to fixe it, duct tape it, or just plain endured the pain until I got home and I never ever had to worry about good ole clean Alaskan gasoline.

  33. When does Yellen start yellin’?

  34. It sounds to be like the ethanol that isn’t in your gas gets ingested by you in the bush? I used to do that too, but a different kind of bush.

    re: #33 – I would be more worried about my snow machine. Every-time I am out in the bush on a remote line on my snow machine trapping furs the last thing I am thinking about are my chainsaws. All living pilots (or trappers like me) have one thing in common we all use good clean Alaskan gas.

    I’ve limped home on my steed with a bent ski, busted springs, bent handlebars, broke engine mount, missing exhaust, broken chain, bent crankshaft, busted tie-rod, tipped track, cracked carb, smashed fenders, cracked frame, leaky tank, snapped throttle cables, bad engine coil, frozen wheel bearings, cracked crank seal, stripped bolts, collapsed shocks, leaky gas line, bad knees, broken back, inflamed pancreas, wounded leg, broken foot, busted wrist. I’ve have always been able to fixe it, duct tape it, or just plain endured the pain until I got home and I never ever had to worry about good ole clean Alaskan gasoline.

  35. Fast Eddie says:

    Change in Median Single-Family Three-Bed Home Price (September 2015) – Transaction Volume – Change in Transaction Volume

    New York-Newark-Jersey City NY-NJ-PA -6.7% 11,566 8.8%

    Price is down 6.7%. Gee, what a sch0cker.

  36. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    In my small engines, I use premium only and usually add stabilizer for any gas not used that day or shortly thereafter. More money but less worry. The lawn tractor is the only thing I leave gas in, but that’s because it sees pretty frequent use. I don’t fill the tank so as to not let gas age and I do run it dry periodically.

    Rags, that lawnmower still working just fine

  37. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    [28] Eddie

    “And a c*nt.”

    Word of the day

  38. anon (the good one) says:

    that would be my tagline if I owned a real estate agency

    re: # 3 – “What happens when FB shares are worth zero in 5 years?”

  39. Libturd the Misogynistic Cankle Hater in Union says:

    Actually. In all of my research on Ethanol, the problem is that as ethanol decays (as well as any other alcohol), it attracts moisture. So the best thing one can do, when it comes to storing ethanol fuel, is to fill it all the way to the top so there is no room for water to be sucked into the gas tank. I always add Stabill to my 5 gallon canisters.

    It’s funny. I mixed some 40:1 gas/oil (plus Stabill) for my weedwacker back in 2004 which was pre-ethanol. Just this year, I finished it up that 2 gallons of gas. The gas lasted over ten years. I tried adding some fresh ethanol gas and oil and it took forever to start, and ran poorly. I dumped it, put in true-fuel and she purred like a kitten. First pull from cold too. Same with my leaf blower. The ethanol free fuel is pricy, but worth it with small engine equipment. Or, you can rebuild your carburetor once or twice a year. All hail corn fuel.

  40. Trapper Dan says:

    Best thing to do is top off the tanks with Moonshine.

  41. Libturd the Misogynistic Cankle Hater in Union says:

    Me like Trapper Dan.

  42. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Rags, I don’t know. This article reads like a proponent of big business in the name of efficiency. It seems this author thinks that bigger is better in the name of efficiency. It’s funny, because this author probably thinks of big govt as the devil, but at the same time is advocating for big business. Big business=big govt. Big business gets to decide what is best for everyone, which is exactly what big govt does. How can you advocate for small govt and at the same time advocate for big business like standard oil that controlled 90% of the market?

    What would have happened if the govt didn’t come up with anti-trust laws? What would happen if Rockefeller continued to grow standard oil and then passed it on to his kids? Would they still run the giant business in an efficient manner? When the easy growth was gone, would they try to obtain growth by eliminating jobs and making other workers pick up the slack? I can see a lot of problems if standard oil was allowed to continue to grow and was left in the hands of people that have no way of dealing with the long term problems that come with a mature and established business.

    Why would you want to put all our energy requirements as a nation into the hands of a single business? This is big govt without the name. Wouldn’t you rather have lots of smaller companies competing against each other? What happens if this business with a 90% market share messes up? Now that we put all our eggs in one basket, the nation is screwed if something happens with this energy company. I don’t know, I can’t support the idea of a business controlling 90% of the market, too many things can go wrong.

    “All men—including exceptional men such as Rockefeller—have a right to take their enterprises as far as their vision and effort will take them. To throttle an individual because he is a superlative producer who supplies an abundance of life-serving goods to people eager to pay for them is to assault the central requirement of human life: the virtue of productivity.

    It is time to bury the myth of Rockefeller the “robber baron” and to replace it with the truth about this paragon of production. And it is time to repeal the assault on such men that is antitrust law and replace it with the full legal recognition of individual rights.”

    Ragnar says:
    December 2, 2015 at 8:46 am
    Rockefeller – another distortion of history by leftist historians and propagandists. See this article, and you might learn something about business, besides learning about history:
    https://www.theobjectivestandard.com/issues/2008-summer/standard-oil-company/

  43. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Dead on. It destroys small engines and boat engines. I went though 3 carbs on my blower because of this crap. I have now started adding ethanol shield to my gas for small engines and I have not had a problem since. Before that, 3 carbs in 3 years on my commercial grade blower. Also, two carbs on my commercial grade wacker. If you don’t add anything to the gas, do not use gas that is more than 2 weeks old or you risk destroying your carb.

    Libturd the Misogynistic Cankle Hater in Union says:
    December 2, 2015 at 9:52 am
    The whole ethanol mess is a perfect example of excessive government meddling (overregulation). Plus, it’s horrible on small engines. I just bought a 6-pack of ethanol-free gas for my trimmer and leaf blower. It has an advertised shelf life of 2 years and won’t gum up my carbs. It’s also like $16 a gallon.

  44. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Along with ethanol shield, I also add stabill to my gas. People that haven’t ran into problems with using gas that is more than a month old in their small engines are just lucky. They will learn the hard way like I had to.

    Libturd the Misogynistic Cankle Hater in Union says:
    December 2, 2015 at 12:20 pm
    Actually. In all of my research on Ethanol, the problem is that as ethanol decays (as well as any other alcohol), it attracts moisture. So the best thing one can do, when it comes to storing ethanol fuel, is to fill it all the way to the top so there is no room for water to be sucked into the gas tank. I always add Stabill to my 5 gallon canisters.

    It’s funny. I mixed some 40:1 gas/oil (plus Stabill) for my weedwacker back in 2004 which was pre-ethanol. Just this year, I finished it up that 2 gallons of gas. The gas lasted over ten years. I tried adding some fresh ethanol gas and oil and it took forever to start, and ran poorly. I dumped it, put in true-fuel and she purred like a kitten. First pull from cold too. Same with my leaf blower. The ethanol free fuel is pricy, but worth it with small engine equipment. Or, you can rebuild your carburetor once or twice a year. All hail corn fuel.

  45. joyce says:

    If one is too successful, even if by purely being the most efficient, they must be torn down.

  46. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yellen said the economy is ready for a rate hike. Can’t wait to see the Great Pumpkin. It’s coming! Hopefully by 2017/2018, with 2019 being the latest. The writing is on the wall.

  47. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Why should one person control 90% of a market? When someone controls that much of a market, it’s not even capitalism anymore, you are competing against yourself. Too much can go wrong in the long term with this approach. It’s no different than the U.S.S.R taking over private business and controlling an entire industry. You see problems with that, but you see no problems with an individual given the same power?

    joyce says:
    December 2, 2015 at 1:42 pm
    If one is too successful, even if by purely being the most efficient, they must be torn down.

  48. Libturd the Misogynistic Cankle Hater in Union says:

    This is going to be the greatest Xmas rally ever. A rate hike singles an all clear on the market front. Throw in cheap gas and a strong dollar and huzzah!

    My 401k is up 8% on the year already. Bet we finish with a > 10% gain on the s&P.

  49. Libturd the Misogynistic Cankle Hater in Union says:

    singles = signals

  50. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:
  51. joyce says:

    Do you use google as you default search engine? They’re about 70% of the market.

  52. Trapper Dan says:

    I once stopped my snow machine to take a selfie and I was charged by an angry Grizzly. I quickly grabbed 416 Winchester and made quick work of him. That Grizzly had been tracking me for days. It was a big old boar and had ulterior motives, it almost got me when I ran out of gasoline. I was able improvise and use my remaining gallon of moonshine and mothballs as stabilizer so I was able to stay ahead of the bear and limp back into the village for fuel. Make no bones about it that old boar was hell bent on doing damage to me taking all of the meat I had trapped to turn into jerky. Now I have lots of Grizzly Jerky. I know that a lot of folks will not eat Grizzly meat mind you since most these old boars stuff themselves with rotten salmon. Well my butcher was able to turn him into some spicy smoked sausage, which we now sell to the tourists for $30 dollars a pound.

  53. grim says:

    I wish small engine equipment would be manufactured with more convenient oil and fuel drains.

    I usually drain my equipment and run it dry as opposed to using Stabil, but draining a big tank though a short hose usually makes a good mess.

  54. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    [55] grim

    Word. I am so there with you.

  55. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    Trapper Dan is the Man.

    Sorry JJ.

  56. Libturd the Misogynistic Cankle Hater in Union says:

    https://www.amazon.com/Briggs-Stratton-5431K-Extractor-4-Liter/dp/B009POZ9YY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1449084046&sr=8-3&keywords=oil+siphon

    Can be used for gas too. No more turning machines over.

    I just transferred the fuel from my pressure washer and lawnmower to my two snowblowers a couple of days ago. This is the greatest siphon ever.

    Though I agree. How hard would it be for manufactures to put drain bolts at the lowest point of gas and oil reservoirs?

    On a different note, I just changed the air filter on Mazda 6 GT. Didn’t even need a screwdriver or socket wrench. Just two clips. Did my cabin air filter too without any tools. Took a total of 4 minutes to change both. Dealer would have charged me $100 easy for that work.

  57. anon (the good one) says:

    many thanks President Obama

    Libturd the Misogynistic Cankle Hater in Union says:
    December 2, 2015 at 1:50 pm

    This is going to be the greatest Xmas rally ever. A rate hike singles an all clear on the market front. Throw in cheap gas and a strong dollar and huzzah!

    My 401k is up 8% on the year already. Bet we finish with a > 10% gain on the s&P.

  58. Libturd the Misogynistic Cankle Hater in Union says:

    “many thanks President Obama”

    I just took a great big office krap. Usually I sh1t at home but my schedules a bit off these days. Prior to flushing, I always take a peak at my handiwork. The way the toilet paper fell into place, it looked exactly like President Obama in a tuxedo.

  59. grim says:

    Fecal microagression

  60. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Lib, I can’t wait to be right about the wage inflation and market in general. I called that shi! back in 2012 when no one gave it a chance in hell, but I stood by my analysis and look to be dead right. I still remember the laughter from this board when I stated that back in 2012. People aren’t laughing anymore, they are realizing that it’s starting to look more and more like I will be right.

    Libturd the Misogynistic Cankle Hater in Union says:
    December 2, 2015 at 1:50 pm
    This is going to be the greatest Xmas rally ever. A rate hike singles an all clear on the market front. Throw in cheap gas and a strong dollar and huzzah!

    My 401k is up 8% on the year already. Bet we finish with a > 10% gain on the s&P.

  61. Now Spanky be reasonable says:

    re:#60

    Double plus good!

  62. 1987 Condo says:

    mass shooting in Ca.

  63. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    [64] condo

    Just saw. I can’t help but think that, putting aside crime-motivated or rage incidents, there are multiple motivating factors. To me, It’s a perfect storm and it won’t end because it will literally feed on itself.

  64. Comrade Nom Deplume, screwing around at work says:

    [59] poster child

    “many thanks President Obama”

    Obama is responsible for QE? For financial engineering? For tax inversions? For improved productivity by replacing workers with tech? For holding down wages so corporate profits stay up? For fracking that allowed oil prices to drop?

    Well, I guess there is some truth to some of that. Ok, you win that point. Not sure you wanted to though.

  65. Libturd the Misogynistic Cankle Hater in Union says:

    No, no, no. Obama is only responsible for positive things. Like Bronies. Cloppers are attributed to the Grand Old Party.

  66. anon (the good one) says:

    Updates
    Multiple Victims and a Search for Suspects
    Emergency crews responded Wednesday to reports of a shooting incident with multiple victims in San Bernardino, Calif., the city’s fire and police departments reported. The Fire Department posted on Twitter that there were reports of as many as 20 victims.
    The San Bernardino, Calif., police confirmed that it was handling an “active shooter” incident. It also said the police had reports of one to three suspects.
    The gunmen were believed to be in a cluster of office buildings that include the offices of Inland Regional Services, which offers services to individuals with developmental disabilities.
    Put this post back in order×
    3:39 PM ETWed Dec 02 2015 10:39:19 GMT-0500 (EST)
    “Someone is Shooting”
    Tony Shin, an NBC reporter at the scene of the shooting, described in a live television broadcast encountering a man who had exchanged messages with his daughter inside the facility.

    The father recounted her messages, Mr. Shin reported.

    “Dad, somebody is shooting inside our building,” the woman texted. “I’m hiding in a closet.”

    “Someone is shooting.”

    “I’m scared.”

    Mr. Shin said the woman later let him know that she had gotten out of the facility unharmed.

    FACEBOOK
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    3:52 PM ETWed Dec 02 2015 10:52:36 GMT-0500 (EST)
    Police Pursuing Suspects
    On the local police scanner, authorities reported that they were in pursuit of a vehicle, possibly with at least one of the suspects, heading northbound out of San Bernardino. Another possible suspect vehicle with Arizona license plates had also been seen driving away from the scene.

    The number, gender and ethnic identity of the suspects has not been confirmed.

    FACEBOOK
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    3:45 PM ETWed Dec 02 2015 10:45:11 GMT-0500 (EST)
    San Bernardino Sheriff’s Office Seeking Information
    Sheriff’s Office posted on Twitter, seeking the community’s help:

    Anyone with info regarding the #ActiveShooter incident in #SanBernardino who would like to remain anonymous call We-Tip at 1-800-78-Crime
    FACEBOOK
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    3:40 PM ETWed Dec 02 2015 10:40:52 GMT-0500 (EST)Daniel Victor
    Witnesses Describe Scenes of Fear and Chaos
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    3:33 PM ETWed Dec 02 2015 10:33:52 GMT-0500 (EST)Marc Santora
    Building Evacuated
    Scores of witnesses who fled the building were brought to a golf course on the south of the building. They were moved from the scene in part because of fear of a “potential explosive device,” according to law enforcement officials whose communications were broadcast over a police scanner.

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    3:20 PM ETWed Dec 02 2015 10:20:55 GMT-0500 (EST)Daniel Victor
    What is the Inland Regional Services?
    Inland Regional Services, the scene of the shooting, is a nonprofit agency that serves people with developmental disabilities in San Bernardino and Riverside Counties. The facility’s Facebook page said 670 staff members served more than 30,200 people. It was opened in 1971.

    It was criticized in 2010 for its contracting practices and what auditors described as a culture of employee intimidation, according to The Press Enterprise. A 2011 audit found that the agency misspent almost $10 million and was required to repay the state, according to The Press Enterprise.

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    3:17 PM ETWed Dec 02 2015 10:17:57 GMT-0500 (EST)Mike McPhate
    ’At Least 20 Victims’ Brought Out of the Facility, Reporter on Scene Says
    Alex Vasquez, an NBC4 videographer at the scene of the shooting in San Bernadino, described in a live broadcast seeing “at least 20 victims” in a triage center.

    He said no more victims were being brought out of the facility, the Inland Regional Center, where the police responded to the mass shooting.

    Large group of people evacuated after shooting in San Bernardino.
    — NBC Los Angeles (@NBCLA) December 2, 2015
    Law enforcement officials were asking family members wishing to reach loved ones to avoid the facility. A staging area was being set up in a separate location, Mr. Vasquez said.

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    3:12 PM ETWed Dec 02 2015 10:12:12 GMT-0500 (EST)Eric Eckholm
    More Victims Reported
    Heard on the live police scanner just a few minutes ago: “They just found another room with more victims.”

    Emergency crews requested more transport, and said that they would use the local fire station as a triage center.

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    3:08 PM ETWed Dec 02 2015 10:08:40 GMT-0500 (EST)Marc Santora
    Listen: Police Scanner in San Bernardino
    The local police scanner is carrying live exchanges among emergency crews in San Bernardino.

    Over the past few minutes, reports coming across the scanner have noted that hostages have been cleared from the “south building” of Inland Regional Services, which works with individuals with developmental disabilities, and from the second floor of the “north building,” but that medical assistance is needed there.

    Scores of witnesses who fled were brought to a golf course on the south of the building, moved from the scene in part because of fear of a “potential explosive device,” according to law enforcement officials whose conversation was broadcast over a police scanner.

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    Watch: NBC Is Providing Live Video Coverage From the Shootings
    NBC News was providing a live video feed at the site of the shooting.

  67. phoenix1 says:

    Hmm, criticized. Misspend 10 million and get “criticized.”
    Slap on the wrist to documented worker abuse and theft..
    Now, had the correct agencies given these cretins 30 years in prison……..

    It was criticized in 2010 for its contracting practices and what auditors described as a culture of employee intimidation, according to The Press Enterprise. A 2011 audit found that the agency misspent almost $10 million and was required to repay the state

  68. phoenix1 says:

    Zukerberg “donation” with strings attached….. Lobby for legislation is my personal favorite. Why pull a lever when you can just buy the vote you want…..
    Everything in America for sale at the right price….

    By using a limited liability company instead of a nonprofit corporation or foundation, the Zuckerberg family will be able to go beyond making philanthropic grants. They will invest in companies, lobby for legislation and seek to influence public policy debates, which nonprofits are restricted from doing under tax laws.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/02/technology/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-charity.html?_r=0

  69. grim says:

    What an odd circumstance. Multiple masked shooters, long guns, black suv, very unexpected/atypical target.

  70. 1987 Condo says:

    #72..some reports..Director of Center, indicates 200 or so County employees were meeting in Conf Center when gunmen broke in….

  71. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Come on, reaching on this one. Comparing a monopoly in the energy market to a google search engine is def reaching. Plus, if google owned the entire market with no competitors it would violate anti-trust laws….right?

    joyce says:
    December 2, 2015 at 2:03 pm
    Do you use google as you default search engine? They’re about 70% of the market.

  72. Trapper Dan says:

    re # 73 – So far only reliable eyewitness report is they were having a holiday party and coworker started acting strange left then returned with a mask on and a started shooing.

  73. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    Listened to reports from Cali in the car. This one was like no other. I don’t know what to think or believe.

  74. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Joyce, looking for a response. I have not copy and pasted anything. All original thoughts. I still can’t believe the author of that article, advocating for small govt and at the same time, trying to justify standard oil’s monopoly (aka advocating for big businesses having entire market shares on the basis of efficiency). People are nuts. If that’s not a$$ backwards, I don’t know what is. Defenders of logic, yea okay.

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    December 2, 2015 at 1:45 pm
    Why should one person control 90% of a market? When someone controls that much of a market, it’s not even capitalism anymore, you are competing against yourself. Too much can go wrong in the long term with this approach. It’s no different than the U.S.S.R taking over private business and controlling an entire industry. You see problems with that, but you see no problems with an individual given the same power?

    joyce says:
    December 2, 2015 at 1:42 pm
    If one is too successful, even if by purely being the most efficient, they must be torn down.

  75. grim says:

    Wow 14 dead, 14 wounded

  76. joyce says:

    74
    Just read Wikipedia so you can speak like an expert on the subject.

    You love to claim you do nothing but employ logic as you deftly craft your arguments, which is a hilarious statement.
    I will try to start over. If someone becomes the industry leader, only through being the most efficient and effective (and nothing nefarious), you’re only inhibiting progress by using the power of the state to tear them down.

  77. joyce says:

    “All original thoughts”

    I’d be embarrassed to admit out loud.

  78. grim says:

    Police chief said that city and court buildings were closed in response, interesting, considering the statement that local and county officials may have been at a meeting/luncheon at the building.

  79. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    Listening to Wolf Blitzer. Right after police chief said weapons could not be identified. A minute later Wolf says “probably an AK-47 or other automatic weapon”

    Now their expert says militia or antigovernment group.

    Good thing CNN had all the facts. Perhaps they should run the investigation

  80. grim says:

    Gangs? Big gang activity in San Bernadino area. Looking at news flow there were some big gang prosecutions this year.

    I can’t seem to access the event calendar for the site, but that’s the clue – it’s the event that was targeted.

  81. NJT says:

    #54 – Buddy a mine gets a bear (legally) every year here in NJ. Meat is GREAT (the
    way he does it – pulled pork style). YUM! Even the wife and kiddies love it!

    *When I was a member of the SSS (Shoot, Shovel and Shut up) brigade back in
    Rockaway they (the bears) were wasted. Damn shame. BTW, NJF&W no longer
    ‘relocates’ all problem bruins to the Wildcat Ridge WMA there.

    *No bears here in Belvidere as local famers have ZERO tolerance for their antics.

    Do have a skunk, though. Albino. Can’t fire a gun in town but I’m getting pretty good
    with a bow…

  82. POS cape says:

    14:

    Auto sales are supposedly strong…except for one marque:
    http://www.wired.com/2015/12/volkswagen-us-sales-plummet-25-as-dieselgate-rolls-on/

    It’s amazing that sales didn’t drop 100%. Who would buy a VW after what they did? Maybe if they were giving them away.

  83. grim says:

    Who would buy a VW after what they did?

    Capitalist republicans.

  84. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    Grim, I can’t begin to know. I thought gangs but motive? That will be key here. Find out who had it in for this group.

  85. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Pure conjecture on my part, but possibly it’s not the event, but rather the (size of the) crowd?. I don’t think the Paris Concert attack had anything to do with it being a heavy metal concert.

    I can’t seem to access the event calendar for the site, but that’s the clue – it’s the event that was targeted.

  86. joyce says:

    “Police chief said that city and court buildings were closed in response, interesting, considering the statement that local and county officials may have been at a meeting/luncheon at the building.”

    Similar to a riot, that behavior is expected. The state protects its own property; the hell with those they supposedly serve.

  87. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    Local or county officials suggest personal beef. I recall a lone wolf in NH who drove around and settled scores. Developed lethal case of lead poisoning at the hands of the Vermont State Police

  88. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It’s for the greater good, why can’t you understand this. Sure, under perfect conditions, this industry leader will continue to do well with no competition(competition are unable to enter market, it has been locked and sealed by the industry leader). 99% of the time this most efficient and effective industry leader that sped up progress on its’ rise up, will hold back progress once it has locked the market down. Of course this blows right over your head.

    “I will try to start over. If someone becomes the industry leader, only through being the most efficient and effective (and nothing nefarious), you’re only inhibiting progress by using the power of the state to tear them down.”

  89. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    @metlman says:

    If the shooting in San Bernardino is Muslims it is not Islamic extremism it was global warming. If it’s white guys it’s the NRA.

  90. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    Being multiple confounds things. Columbine was multiple and grudge-based but that’s all that comes to mind outside of gang shootouts and there, multiple victims are collateral.

    CNN at the gym reporting standoff, one suspect dead.

  91. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    Looks like this wraps up soon and we have answers.

  92. walking bye says:

    Pumpkin, look up the Elio Motors- car. It will be built in the US, get<80mpg and priced sub $7000 while getting a 5 star crash rating. Guy wants to make a positive change. We shall see what happens once the government and regulations kick in

  93. grim says:

    LA was geared up for another OJ

  94. chicagofinance says:

    I don’t understand how he can say this stuff……which is now clearly ON-SCRIPT
    “U.S. has pattern of mass shootings that ‘has no parallel anywhere else in the world,’ President Obama says”…….and he has the balls to say it while standling in Paris no less……

  95. Grim says:

    Steak is for taxpayers

  96. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You are right, they will use regulations to keep him out of the market. Listen, I agree, regulations are the devil. At the same time, I know no regulation is also the monster due to some psychopaths running around.

    walking bye says:
    December 2, 2015 at 6:36 pm
    Pumpkin, look up the Elio Motors- car. It will be built in the US, get<80mpg and priced sub $7000 while getting a 5 star crash rating. Guy wants to make a positive change. We shall see what happens once the government and regulations kick in

  97. The Great Pumpkin says:

    This guy is the official hero of all taxpayers.

    Grim says:
    December 2, 2015 at 7:26 pm
    Steak is for taxpayers

  98. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “Pregnant, smoking and pajama pants? You’re like a fu!king triple-fu!k-up”

  99. The Great Pumpkin says:

    What’s sad, there really are individuals out there like this.

  100. joyce says:

    Idiot,
    This is my last attempt at anything resembling a conversation with you. You’re the epitome of being too stupid to realize you’re so stupid.

    You cannot say in response: ‘well assuming four other things you didn’t say, I think this will happen, what is wrong with why don’t you get it’

    It was put forth that if someone is able to capture majority+ market share purely by being the best, then the state shouldn’t intervene. Yet that lone statement you have a problem with.
    You immediately dismiss the standard oil link because each time they tried to cartelize (with other companies not just themself), it failed and failed quickly. Aside from that, they never jacked up prices after capturing huge market share.

    If a company is restraining trade through fraud, coercion, or (most likely) government intervention… I have no qualms about ending those abuses. Hmm, I wonder how we should end govt created cartels… with more or less govt?

  101. Juice Box says:

    pic from helicopter shows expired woman pulled from SUV being searched by the bomb squad. Can’t post it going into spam filter.

  102. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    I didn’t want to think ISIS but some facts pointing that way. Still way too soon to think that though

  103. Juice Box says:

    Multiple shooters with assault rifles, tactical gear and pipe bombs doesn’t strike me as too much eggnog at holiday party.

  104. joyce says:

    95
    Due to inane regulations, Elio won’t even be able to sell in NJ.

  105. Grim says:

    Woman?

  106. grim says:

    Need link

  107. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    [107] juice

    This has to shake out. Contemplating the permutations will make one batty.

    I’d say inconceivable but I don’t want to invite Wallace Shawn comparisons from his doppelgänger when he goes on third shift

  108. Juice Box says:

    FBI agent hedges on Terrorism.

  109. grim says:

    Drops the t word

  110. Juice Box says:

    Re#111 -FBI agent reminds me of Agent Johnson from Diehard, give him him a helicopter a rifle and a backwards baseball cap.

  111. A Home Buyer says:

    Grim,

    The dark corners of the web have listed a Arabic sounding male name with picture as one of the shooters, and listed two female accomplices as part of his crew.

    Everything unconfirmed but the level of material, equipment, and personnel involved points to something planned out in detail and not a spur of the moment decision like was originally described.

    Combined with the official statement being “at minimum domestic terrorism”, its not looking good.

  112. grim says:

    Yeah photos on Twitter claiming woman was Arabic.

  113. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I’m not going to fight it anymore. I really think I see the light. Rags and Joyce have finally gotten through to me. The history I was taught was one sided. It shaped the way I looked at certain things. I never saw Rockefeller in that light/context. I’m finally realizing that you guys are right. I want what you want. Let the natural order take its place. What Rags describes below, is exactly what I want.

    Rags and Joyce, thank you for finally getting me to see the light. I fought hard against the truth, yet you never gave up even though it felt hopeless. Thank you.

    Clot, homeboken, fast eddie owe you a bottle, you will not have to deal with my naive posts anymore. I will only ask questions and seek further enlightenment. I’m done fighting it. I’m sick of being the village idiot.

    “My ideal society is one where all relations with one another are voluntary, rather than coerced, where protecting individual rights is the only purpose of government, and where the culture is dominated by reason, productiveness, achievement, and the mutual respect that inspires in people for one another.”

    joyce says:
    December 2, 2015 at 8:04 pm
    Idiot,
    This is my last attempt at anything resembling a conversation with you. You’re the epitome of being too stupid to realize you’re so stupid.

    You cannot say in response: ‘well assuming four other things you didn’t say, I think this will happen, what is wrong with why don’t you get it’

    It was put forth that if someone is able to capture majority+ market share purely by being the best, then the state shouldn’t intervene. Yet that lone statement you have a problem with.
    You immediately dismiss the standard oil link because each time they tried to cartelize (with other companies not just themself), it failed and failed quickly. Aside from that, they never jacked up prices after capturing huge market share.

    If a company is restraining trade through fraud, coercion, or (most likely) government intervention… I have no qualms about ending those abuses. Hmm, I wonder how we should end govt created cartels… with more or less govt?

  114. A Home Buyer says:

    Troll,

    This is what, the fifth epiphany you’ve had on the same subject. Your BS is choking me.

  115. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I’m sorry, I really am.

    A Home Buyer says:
    December 2, 2015 at 8:57 pm
    Troll,

    This is what, the fifth epiphany you’ve had on the same subject. Your BS is choking me.

  116. A Home Buyer says:

    Just a link with some supporting information but it isn’t incendiary.

    Basically saying the man and the woman in the vehicle were throwing pipe bombs during their escape.

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-up-to-20-shot-in-san-bernardino-active-shooter-sought-20151202-story.html

  117. Juice Box says:

    FBI take over investigation yet? They are doing the raid in Redlands.

  118. Grim says:

    Yeah sounds like it

  119. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    I think I figured it out. Pumpinlump has literal brain damage. He’s probably confined to one of those wheelchairs he has to blow into to move around and his TV is set to play a Dora the Explorer DVD on constant loop. He probably posts using one of those Stephen Hawking stare-and-type interfaces.

  120. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    [115] buyer

    An eyewitness said he got a look at the occupants and said male, young, short black hair and scruffy beards. He was Hispanic and it wasn’t clear if he meant one or two people. But that easily describes a young Muslim male.

    Again, pure speculation.

  121. Pete says:

    JUST IN: Suspect in #SanBernardino shooting ID’d as Syed Farook; Another believed to be Farook’s brother: Sources https://t.co/XuFyOhXh2T

  122. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Nothing to worry about. Just another workplace dispute, just like Fort Hood:

    “The New York Times is also reporting the shooting may have been related to a workplace-dispute:”

    http://heavy.com/news/2015/12/syed-sayeed-farouk-farook-inland-regional-center-san-bernardino-shooting-suspect-gunman-name-identified-redlands-age-motive-photos-social-media-family-facebook-video-chase-shot-killed-dead/

  123. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:
  124. phoenix1 says:

    Somebody didn’t get their Christmas bonus…

  125. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    According to the heavy.com link it was a “Christmas Party”. I’ve heard some people might be offended by such a thing, so these were clearly insensitive people who were asking for it.

  126. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Or maybe got one and was offended that it was such named? OTOH, maybe it was a canned ham? “Here’s your Christmas bonus Sayeed.”

    Somebody didn’t get their Christmas bonus…

  127. phoenix1 says:

    Hostile workplaces are becoming the norm.
    Everything George Carlin predicted was right….

  128. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    My 0.02: Farouk was radicalized and with his folly decided to advance the cause. As an employee of that department, he knew there would be a party and knew where and when he could find a large, unsuspecting, and unarmed (bldg a gun free zone) crowd. And he could settle a score or two while there.

    Easiest explanation is often right. We will see

  129. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    [131] Phoenix

    We are becoming a diverse society that is in civil cold war. Even in the Cold War, soldiers died. Why should this one be different.

    add in the extremist aspect and you have recipe for disaster.

    Obama’s solution? Take away Nom’s guns.

  130. Fabius Maximus says:

    #2 Tin Pot.

    “I called him a c*nt to be insulting and provocative” As I have always said, most of the time, you add nothing to a conversation beyond personal attacks and Ad Hominem.

    I’m going back to ignoring you.

  131. Fabius Maximus says:

    #95 walking bye.

    Regulations on this will not be a problem. This is classified as a motorized tricycle and not a car so a lot of the regs Telsa hit are bypassed. This is effectively a Can-Am Spyder with a roof.

    In NJ, you’ll need a motorcycle endorsement on your license, but you don’t need to do the test, you just get a restriction that says you are only allowed trikes. As it is enclosed, you don’t need a helmet, although I’m not sure if that law covers kids in the back seat.

    Yes, I am on the list for one. My Prius was hit a few weeks back. Not much damage, but started the discussion on its replacement. This is a no brainer for me. High MPG, and 0-60 in 9 seconds. Its going to be a blast to drive.

  132. Fabius Maximus says:

    Nothing new in this for me, but it might bring a few of you in here up to speed.
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-30/unearthing-america-s-deep-network-of-climate-change-deniers

    My view has always been that Koch have poisoned the well, so there can never be a straight discussion on Climate Change, for or against.

  133. Juice Box says:

    Re#136 – deny what exactly? We reproduce like rats and there won’t be a die off? layoff the carbon it does not care if you drown or starve.

  134. Fabius Maximus says:

    Schweddy Balls on NBC right now.
    Second funniest holiday TV after A Christmas Story

  135. Juice Box says:

    workplace bullying is the cause folks….

    I now fear for all of us.

  136. phoenix1 says:

    CND, Know anyone that handles estate law? PM me if so.

  137. phoenix1 says:

    133 CND
    Agreed..

  138. phoenix1 says:

    CND,
    Did you ever see the movie Idiocracy?

  139. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    [134] Rory Martin

    “I’m going back to ignoring you.”

    Better that way. You can continue to feel superior and don’t have to think too hard about what I’m actually trying to tell you. And I don’t have to get out my DSM-IV every time you try to engage.

    But I will continue to insult you from time to time. Call it a compulsion and I think folks enjoy it. Nothing especially witty, just off the cuff ad hominem of a crude and superficial sort.

    Not tonight though. You seem to be doing a good job of caricaturizing yourself. Besides, it’s been a long day. Don’t work too hard.

  140. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    phoenix1 says:
    December 2, 2015 at 10:57 pm
    CND,
    Did you ever see the movie Idiocracy?

    No but I used to be a democrat. Does that count?

  141. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    [141] Phoenix

    Which state?

  142. Comrade Nom Deplume, on the road again says:

    [141] Phoenix

    Wouldn’t know where to pm you. I do have names for you, assuming it’s NJ. Email me at comradenomdeplume at gmail.

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