Leave and you lose your benefits?

From the Courier Post:

RABBLE ROUSER: Don’t reward workers who leave NJ

Stop rewarding people for moving out of New Jersey. This would be a good start in trying to be fiscally responsible.

Let me tell you a short story. Recently friends of mine sold their house and moved to Florida. One of them worked for a New Jersey government agency. Their family receives substantial medical benefits from New Jersey. They told me that their real estate taxes will be cut in half: $5,000 in Florida vs. $10,000 in New Jersey.

This is not surprising. This person wanted to thank me for helping to pay their pension and health care while they live in Florida.

I appreciate that they earned their pension. Yet why should residents left behind in New Jersey help subsidize health care for people who leave the state? Health care costs can easily exceed $5,000. My taxes keep going up to help pay for their health care even if they move out of New Jersey.

We know of three other couples who have New Jersey government benefits and are moving out of New Jersey to save money. One must question how many other former New Jersey government employees have left the state and still receive premium health care benefits from the state of New Jersey.

Maybe our state representatives should enact a new law that would subsidize New Jersey residents who were former government employees 95 percent of their health care and pay just 5 percent for former state employees who are not New Jersey residents.

Why are we rewarding people for moving out of the state? Is this too logical?

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133 Responses to Leave and you lose your benefits?

  1. D-FENS says:

    I couldn’t agree more.

  2. leftwing says:

    Especially for those employees who can retire with full bennies in their late 40s/early 50s.

  3. leftwing says:

    From yesterday:

    Lurker (45), welcome. Breath of fresh air.

    Stu, good luck with your son. I sincerely hope everything turns out well. Reminder of what’s important and it’s not the sh1te on this blog, the circus of candidates, or anything of the like. Be well.

  4. Broken indeed (the good one) says:

    @ezraklein
    The Republican Party is broken

    Parties are vehicles for structuring information. Their role is literally to help voters decide by helping them choose who to trust. The fact that Republican voters seem to prefer candidates who their party is screaming not to trust reveals a profound failure in the GOP’s core role.
    The Republican party is broken.

  5. nwnj3 says:

    Please you troll, the Democratic primary “race” is a pre-planned and orchestrated charade. The only purpose it serves is to diguise the fact that Hillary is a bought and paid for establishment candidate, and represents no one but her backers. If they handed it directly to Hillary without building up Sanders it would rouse suspicion among even the dopiest(you).

    Instead they’ll have a faux primary with Hillary holding a slight lead until the very end when Sanders will concede make a unifying gesture and unite the party. The old commie will ride of into the sunset as a folk hero. Great drama for the moron block.

  6. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “Even amid low gasoline prices last year, electric car sales jumped 60 percent worldwide. If that level of growth continues, the crash-triggering benchmark of 2 million barrels of reduced demand could come as early as 2023. That’s a crisis. The timing of new technologies is difficult to predict, but it may not be long before it becomes impossible to ignore. ”

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-24/another-oil-crash-is-coming-and-there-may-be-no-recovery

  7. anon (the good one) says:

    yes, lurker. Hope you stick around, this place is a sausage fest and female participation is welcome. from time to time we have martha from the south joining us, right winger of course, but mr jack daniels always gets on her way.
    didn’t understand your comment yesterday that as a brownie broad you couldn’t be right winger? look a rafael cruz an anchor baby more mexican than you is the most right winger in the country. race got nothing to do with political extremism.

    one word of caution, fellows round here like their women well-behaved, so hopefully you won’t run away after they show their displeasure if you challenge them. chifi is particularly angry at women as has run a couple out of the board. last one was because she disclosed her husbands income. go figure

    leftwing says:
    February 24, 2016 at 8:03 am
    From yesterday:

    Lurker (45), welcome. Breath of fresh air.

  8. walking bye says:

    Don’t forget Florida does not have a state income tax. Pensions, 401k, ira or SS is tax free. So your retirement is Friskees and live in Jersey or steak and live in FL.

  9. lurker says:

    Anon
    For someone who claims to be so liberal and therefore should be tolerant and aware you just called a Cruz who’s Cuban a Mexican. There’s nothing us Hispanics hate more than being lumped with Mexicans. I’ve always considered myself an independent but the Democratic party lost me for good when you chose a freshman senator whose previous life experience was a “community organizer” over Hillary. Is it any wonder we have all these wannabe/apprentice community organizers causing all this raucous on campuses today? I’m not co-signing any of my kids student loans if they pick one of these BS majors. Knowing them, they probably won’t.

  10. D-FENS says:

    7 – I don’t think Joyce has ever shied away from a challenge here.

    Dumbass.

  11. walking bye says:

    I would second that to lurker. I would also add many politicians lump the Hispanic vote as one. ie: Cruz is Hispanic therefore all Hispanics will vote for him. It would be the equivalent of Bloomberg is republican therefore all republicans will vote for him, without knowing flyover states or even the South would never vote Yankee. There are many Hispanics I have learned that detest Cubans like southerners detest northerners. Just different regional/cultural differences. By the way why do Argentinians say they are really part of Europe and not South America.

  12. D-FENS says:

    lurker, welcome to the board. Please allow me to step aside…go ahead and hurl insults and pile on anon.

    It’s one of my favorite pastimes, but ladies first.

  13. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yes, it’s all a part of the plan to redistribute wealth from wealthy states to poor states through retirees. Keep costs low in these “retiree” states by having terrible schools, and attract all the retirees who do not want to pay for a child’s education because their kids have finished their public education. Selfish instincts rule.

    walking bye says:
    February 24, 2016 at 8:26 am
    Don’t forget Florida does not have a state income tax. Pensions, 401k, ira or SS is tax free. So your retirement is Friskees and live in Jersey or steak and live in FL.

  14. grim says:

    I know plenty of NJ cops who retired pretty young and moved out west – who are currently employed full time as cops. Pretty sure they are making well north of $100k a year, with full bennies, double health coverage, etc. Way north of that if you include spouses still working. If you thought it was only dirty wall street bankers who owned $300,000 powerboats, you are incorrect. I feel like a sucker for not doing this too, as I had the chance. The thing is, I talk about it like this in the open, even though I know them, because even they talk like this about it in the open. It’s perfectly legal, what’s the problem of taking all advantages provided?

  15. The Great Pumpkin says:

    That will haunt you the rest of your life. They should make a rule where you can’t collect a pension if you are currently earning an income from another job. Fair is fair.

    grim says:
    February 24, 2016 at 8:46 am
    I know plenty of NJ cops who retired pretty young and moved out west – who are currently employed full time as cops. Pretty sure they are making well north of $100k a year, with full bennies, double health coverage, etc. Way north of that if you include spouses still working. If you thought it was only dirty wall street bankers who owned $300,000 powerboats, you are incorrect. I feel like a sucker for not doing this too, as I had the chance.

  16. D-FENS says:

    14 – Grim, on the other hand, it might not be such a bad thing that public employee retiree’s move out of state. At least they can’t vote in NJ anymore.

  17. leftwing says:

    7. anon

    You are a real a$$hole.

    Cheap shot at someone with an addiction who is maintaining sobriety against all odds.

    Typical cowardly, hypocritical behavior from your ilk. All caring outwardly while mean spirited, petty, and catty privately.

    Please show up at the next GTG, d0uchebag.

  18. lurker says:

    Argentinians are hated by just about everyone (talking Hispanics here). They think they’re better than everyone and that their lighter skin makes them European. They had more Italian and German immigration which explains their skin color and their inflated egos.

  19. Libturd supporting the Canklephate says:

    Crazy thing with my son. The issues which were worsening over the past three months, have seemingly and miraculously disappeared overnight. The medical tests are scheduled for next Wednesday, but I am now contemplating cancelling them. I plan to call the doctors today to get their opinion on what we should do. Thanks for everyone’s support and well wishes.

  20. Libturd supporting the Canklephate says:
  21. Ottoman says:

    Unlike your inflated ego when someone calls you Mexican.

    “Argentinians are hated by just about everyone (talking Hispanics here). They think they’re better than everyone and that their lighter skin makes them European. They had more Italian and German immigration which explains their skin color and their inflated egos.”

    “There’s nothing us Hispanics hate more than being lumped with Mexicans.”

  22. D-FENS says:

    Argentinians make great firearms. I think the importer is actually based in NJ.

    Just sayin’

    https://eagleimportsinc.com/

  23. Ottoman says:

    Love watching the basic b!tches on this board get in a tizzy over public sector workers because they were too stupid to figure out that organizing workers is the only way the middle class exists and survives. Feel free to run to your bosses and demand better benefits if you’re so jealous. WWARD – what would Ayn Rand do?

  24. The Great Pumpkin says:

    God bless!

    Libturd supporting the Canklephate says:
    February 24, 2016 at 8:57 am
    Crazy thing with my son. The issues which were worsening over the past three months, have seemingly and miraculously disappeared overnight. The medical tests are scheduled for next Wednesday, but I am now contemplating cancelling them. I plan to call the doctors today to get their opinion on what we should do. Thanks for everyone’s support and well wishes.

  25. walking bye says:

    Lib whish you well. Without really knowing whats going on, sometimes it’s better to see if it is an underlying issue that can be resolved. We all hate when the results come back clean and you get billed $900 lab costs and the response is lets just keep an eye on this.

  26. Ottoman says:

    It’s ruckus not raucous. Not that it matters much here but it might on your kids’ Univerisity of Phoenix applications.

    “Is it any wonder we have all these wannabe/apprentice community organizers causing all this raucous on campuses today? I’m not co-signing any of my kids student loans if they pick one of these BS majors. Knowing them, they probably won’t.”

  27. Captain Nom Deplume of the Adventure Men. says:

    [23] Otto

    “What would Ayn Rand do?”

    Move out of your soc1alst utopia and let the proles feed on one another, I’m guessing.

    Enjoy your taxes. Oh, wait …,

  28. D-FENS says:

    We’re actually talking about public workers…who are paid using tax dollars.

    Did anyone mention unions?

    Ottoman says:
    February 24, 2016 at 9:06 am
    Love watching the basic b!tches on this board get in a tizzy over public sector workers because they were too stupid to figure out that organizing workers is the only way the middle class exists and survives. Feel free to run to your bosses and demand better benefits if you’re so jealous. WWARD – what would Ayn Rand do?

  29. lurker says:

    jeez I thought I was going to be kicked out of here by the intolerant right wing basic b*tches. As usual liberals show their true colors. I would much rather spend time with an ignorant (because they haven’t had the chance to be exposed to culture) white trash hick out in the boonies in PA than with people like you who claim to love diversity. The minute someone like me shows up and doesn’t fit your cookie cutter stereotype of aggrieved minority you start spell checking me. Love this!

  30. leftwing says:

    22. DFENS, German influence again….

  31. Libturd supporting the Canklephate says:

    “Love watching the basic b!tches on this board get in a tizzy over public sector workers because they were too stupid to figure out that organizing workers is the only way the middle class exists and survives.”

    No mention of how it’s impossible to negotiate fairly with these public sector unions. Is it any surprise their benefits in NJ (the handout state), are causing a diaspora of the wealthy and replacements with government teet-suckers. It will end really horribly.

  32. Libturd supporting the Canklephate says:

    Yesterday, Lurker mentioned gender fluid. That is all.

  33. anon (the good one) says:

    but only if martha shows up so I can buy her a drink

    leftwing says:
    February 24, 2016 at 8:52 am

    Please show up at the next GTG

  34. grim says:

    Crazy thing with my son. The issues which were worsening over the past three months, have seemingly and miraculously disappeared overnight. The medical tests are scheduled for next Wednesday, but I am now contemplating cancelling them.

    Don’t be silly dude – and especially, don’t discount the psychological impact of this, especially with a kid.

  35. Libturd supporting the Canklephate says:

    It will be my pediatrician’s decision. Not mine Grim. I pay for the expertise. Might as well try to get something for my $7500 of insurance per year. Thanks Obama.

  36. D-FENS says:

    Sorry to hear about your son Lib. Hope he is ok.

  37. Libturd supporting the Canklephate says:

    He’ll be fine. But thanks.

  38. Libturd supporting the Canklephate says:

    Pediatrician says to go through with it. Figures it could return as quickly as it disappeared. Better work some overtime. On the bright side, will get all his blood work done when he is sedated. :P

  39. Raymond Reddington formerly Phoenix says: says:

    40. I’d agree on the bennies except for one thing- is it retroactive- or are we once again doing the ” grandfathered” crap all over again.

    Now boys, before we say this can’t be done- it can..

    http://www.freep.com/story/money/personal-finance/susan-tompor/2015/10/07/teamsters-pension-cuts-central-states/73515432/

    http://www.newsmax.com/US/teamsters-unions-pensions-workers/2015/05/21/id/645920/

  40. Fast Eddie says:

    lurker,

    Great posts yesterday and today!

  41. Raymond Reddington formerly Phoenix says: says:

    34. Libturd,
    Grim has a good point. Gender and age also make a difference.
    I see it often. I have seen ones that are scared and others that are courageous.

    You have to trust your doctor. Get a second opinion if you feel the need. They are not all the same by a longshot. It has happened that a surgery has been cancelled where a patient has become asymptomatic. Not often.

  42. Essex says:

    17. lighten up.

  43. Libturd supporting the Canklephate says:

    Essex…you left out the Francis.

  44. Essex says:

    Johnson & Johnson must pay $72 million to the family of a woman who died from ovarian cancer that her lawyers said was linked to her use of the company’s talc powder.

    The Missouri jury verdict late Monday handed the payout to the family of Jacqueline Fox, which argued that the cosmetics giant was “lying to the public” and “lying to the regulatory agencies” about product safety, lawyer Jere Beasley said.

  45. Libturd questioning the gender of Hillary's Cankle fluid. says:

    I appreciate all of the advice from everyone here. Really. Without providing detail, you’ll just have to accept that we’ve done our due diligence with Gator Junior II. I don’t think it’s psychological either. A three month show of vertigo (complete with lots of puke and regular falling) is really too much to ask from a three year old actor. He did have a virus over the last two weeks and we know that cleared from his willingness to eat again. Unfortunately, it’s been a steady diet of blueberry muffins and chicken rice soup. I suppose it could be worse. He could have come down with a case of extreme liberalism. :P

  46. Alex says:

    19-

    Glad he’s feeling better Lib.

  47. Ragnar says:

    Libturd,
    I was a social1st for about two weeks when I was 15, then I did a little bit more research about its actual failures in history, and got over it. Then I read Atlas Shrugged and learned why it was doomed to fail and cause misery, given it’s faulty ethical base and opposition to human nature and individual freedom.
    A few years later I found this (then on videotape).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGo2G1Sjb6M

  48. Libturd questioning the gender of Hillary's Cankle fluid. says:

    I generally agree with you Rags. You know that. But I still believe there are certain places where individual choice succumbs to greed and that greed ends up being bad for all except the one greedy individual. Healthcare in this country is the perfect example. Too bad our government is so bought that it can’t be fixed. This is really why I support Bernie (even with all of his loonie liberalism). Why does medicine rank higher and cost 5 to 7 times less in southeast Asia? What is your solution? Leeches for all except the wealthiest individuals?

  49. grim says:

    Americans aren’t willing to give up, what they would need to give up, to accept lower health care costs.

    I know someone that has had something like half a dozen MRIs in the last year, for the exact same “problem”, which from my understanding, can’t be repaired (recurring pain from a sports injury). They just go from doctor to doctor, requesting MRIs, etc etc. Now there is talk about getting an appointment to a well known orthopedic surgeon who had repaired a number of professional athletes. Really?

    I’ve never had an MRI, ever. I don’t generally go to the doctor for regular ailments, etc. If I’m sick with the cold or flu, what’s the point? I know people that go to emergent care of the hospital because they ate some crap the night before and puked because of it.

    Stupid TV shows like ER and House have Americans believing that a team of the worlds best medical professionals should be summoned because they have a rash.

  50. grim says:

    Or how about a better example?

    Why are we spending any money on extending the life of a terminally ill patient who is given a diagnosis of a few months to live? The care of cost is astronomical, and provides little in the way of actual extension or comfort to the patient. Why spend $500,000 for 30 days, or less?

    Yeah, I know, it’s horrible. Like I said, Americans aren’t willing to accept what they need to accept.

  51. D-FENS says:

    Manu Raju (@mkraju)
    11 hours ago – View on Twitter
    Wow, Trump wins 44 percent of Latino vote in Nevada GOP caucuses, trouncing two candidates of Cuban descent – Rubio and Cruz

  52. grim says:

    Anyone else enjoying what appears to be a Mexican Standoff in the GOP.

    Three men standing, all three with guns, each man has two guns, pointed at the other opponents.

    Cruz and Rubio know that they both have a strong shot, but only if the other guy gets shot. Trump is laughing, because he has the advantage that as long as Cruz or Rubio won’t shoot, he will win.

    For the GOP to have a reasonable shot at a non-Trump candidate, either Rubio or Cruz must die. Trump will not shoot, unless they both blink, and he can pull both triggers.

  53. D-FENS says:

    “Stupid TV shows like ER and House have Americans believing that a team of the worlds best medical professionals should be summoned because they have a rash.”

    This is it in a nutshell. How exciting would ER or Gray’s Anatomy be if they just showed (reality) the long lines at the ER?

  54. Raymond Reddington formerly Phoenix says: says:

    53 Grim,
    Medicare pays for it, that’s why. I wonder if the kids would be willing to pony up the inheritance to save grandma…

  55. Essex says:

    50. when you outgrow Objectivism….there is always scientology.

  56. Captain Nom Deplume of the Adventure Men. says:

    This election is bizarro world. I can’t help but think that Trymp is being propped up by leftists who are crossing lines, changing registrations, or good old fashioned voter fraud, to prop him up. Yet to move the needle that much requires a pretty vast effort and there’s no way they could keep that a secret. Unless you think the Feds or dem machine is rigging the vote counts, it would seem he tapped a populist, anti-PC vein that has always been there but had no candidate to support

  57. Raymond Reddington formerly Phoenix says: says:

    58. Also, many poor people wait and turn something little into something big.
    People with abcessed teeth waiting until sepsis sets in, then ending up in the ICU instead of going to a dentist…

  58. grim says:

    I have no problem with a system that says you should be provided with reasonable basic healthcare as a universal right. I’ve said numerous times I can see single payer being a reasonable option.

    However, there should absolutely be private sector options for those who wish to pay more, out of pocket, for care that is above and beyond reasonable. I understand this favors the rich, but if you have the money to pay for this extraordinary service, and someone else thinks they can provide this service, than who are we to say they can’t? This isn’t regressive, not everybody gets a pony.

    For a single payer option to be realistic, we need to change the way hospitals and doctors are compensated. Being a doctor should be a modest profession, and the schooling should be subsidized accordingly for those willing to serve their fellow Americans in this role. You can tell that I do not believe the “Doctor as God” myth.

    Cost will drive the standard of care, innovation would take place at the margin, by those with the income to fund it privately.

  59. Raymond Reddington formerly Phoenix says: says:

    58.

    Also, many poor people wait and turn something little into something big.
    People with abcessed teeth waiting until sepsis sets in, then ending up in the ICU instead of going to a dentist…

  60. Raymond Reddington formerly Phoenix says: says:

    59. CMD

    He just spans both parties. I always find I like some things from every candidate, just never seem to get the whole package.

  61. Captain Nom Deplume of the Adventure Men. says:

    [33] racist twitiot

    “but only if martha shows up so I can buy her a drink”

    I’ll give her $1,000 to pour a whiskey over your head and light it on fire.

  62. D-FENS says:

    sh1t I should probably see a dentist.

  63. D-FENS says:

    Makes perfect sense to me. The more the die hard Republicans and political wonks hate him, the more I like him.

    Captain Nom Deplume of the Adventure Men. says:
    February 24, 2016 at 11:48 am
    This election is bizarro world. I can’t help but think that Trymp is being propped up by leftists who are crossing lines, changing registrations, or good old fashioned voter fraud, to prop him up. Yet to move the needle that much requires a pretty vast effort and there’s no way they could keep that a secret. Unless you think the Feds or dem machine is rigging the vote counts, it would seem he tapped a populist, anti-PC vein that has always been there but had no candidate to support

  64. Ragnar says:

    Libturd,

    The US healthcare “market” is currently more government than market. Regulations are heavy, mandates high, licensing is huge which keeps cost and volume of new supply high. Thus customer service is weak, prices are high, and seem to be more dictated by regulatory gaming than customer value creation. Then there are the lawsuits that force costs up and lead to practices that are designed primarily to defend against lawsuits rather than optimize results.

    What the US needs is a market-driven equivalent to WalMart and Target in healthcare. Instead we have the equivalent of a bunch of Nieman Marcuses managed by the equivalent of Post Office bureaucrats.

    Some of my colleagues have met with some of the publicly listed hospital groups in emerging markets, some appear to have interesting growth prospects.
    It would be an interesting business plan to consider filling a cruise ship full of Singaporeans & Indian doctors and nurses with medical equipment, park it just outside of US jurisdiction on the West and East coasts of US population centers, and offer quality medical services to people willing to go private and take a boat or helicopter offshore. Absent all the regulatory burdens and the artificial supply constraints, and needing to win customers via price and service, it would lead people to wonder why we tolerate such a non-market focused system.

    Maybe Grim can start that business after he’s topped off his booze gig.

    I found this quote online:
    “Healthcare in Southeast Asia is fast becoming an industry in the world market. The private sectors in Singapore, Thailand and Malaysia have capitalized on their comparative advantage to promote medical tourism and travel, combining health services for wealthy foreigners with recreational packages to boost consumption of such health services.”

  65. Juice Box says:

    Super Tuesday states what the betting markets say:

    Trump is favorite: AL, AK, AR, GA, MA, MN, OK, TN, VA, VT

    Cruz: TX

    Rubio: NONE

  66. Juice Box says:

    TV seems to be irrelevant in this election.

    The self-financing Trump, NBC News reports, “hasn’t spent a single cent” for ads in any of the 14 states that will caucus or hold primaries March 1.

  67. Libturd questioning the gender of Hillary's Cankle fluid. says:

    “Yeah, I know, it’s horrible. Like I said, Americans aren’t willing to accept what they need to accept.”

    I would gladly serve on a death panel as long as I had the same benefits that my kindergarten teacher had.

  68. Raymond Reddington formerly Phoenix says: says:

    D-Fens,
    Now that I have turned you into a hypochondriac, look up hydrocele, then look at pictures.
    I don’t know about others, but if I woke up and my sac was 5 times bigger than normal and I could not get my pants on I don’t think I would be waiting to see if the swelling goes down. But yes, I do know about some others, and they feel perfectly fine buying larger pants to accommodate the increasing inflated area.

    I guess its just fear….

  69. Libturd questioning the gender of Hillary's Cankle fluid. says:

    And I agree that there needs to be supplemental insurance for those who can afford it. This secondary private insurance exists in most countries with socialized medicine. See Rags? You can have both. The real solution is to make government accountable. But how can you do that when the government is owned! Heck, we can’t even prosecute racist cops. Right Joyce?

  70. Libturd questioning the gender of Hillary's Cankle fluid. says:

    My balls don’t swell up like that, but my rod does on occasion.

  71. Raymond Reddington formerly Phoenix says: says:

    Ragnar,
    How do we go about suing your Singaporeans & Indian doctors and nurses?
    Also, if there are any issues or problems, make sure that these patients cannot come back to the USA for any follow up care without paying cash. No govt assistance, no Medicare. Unit no longer under warranty if not sent to a factory authorized service center…..

  72. Raymond Reddington formerly Phoenix says: says:

    73.
    That’s the way it’s supposed to work, as long as what triggers the rod extension is a normal thought process.

    What is the definition of normal? Today, who knows?

  73. Libturd questioning the gender of Hillary's Cankle fluid. says:

    “as long as what triggers the rod extension is a normal thought process.”

    I just think of Otto’s mom.

  74. Essex says:

    70. …. word ….

  75. grim says:

    What the US needs is a market-driven equivalent to WalMart and Target in healthcare. Instead we have the equivalent of a bunch of Nieman Marcuses managed by the equivalent of Post Office bureaucrats.

    I suggested this – I would absolutely visit a nurse practitioner in a strip mall for something basic – I would absolutely sign off on a waiver of any liability – no lawsuit potential. $15-20 bucks for a 5 minute visit is fair. I think the market could make a business around that.

    I should be able to walk into an office, have a nurse confirm my ear infection, and send me off with a prescription.

    This shouldn’t require millions of dollars in liability and malpractice insurance. Nor does this require a physician.

    Really, an MRI should cost $100, not $2500.

  76. lurker says:

    [64]
    I’ll pay $1000 to see that

    -Mrs. Brownie Broad
    BTW took 42 years for someone to call me Brownie and I’ve traveled all over the US for work. It’s true that the worst racist are the ones that pretend to like you.

  77. anon (the good one) says:

    she can’t do it, not enough hand control with the ‘shakes’ and all

    Captain Nom Deplume of the Adventure Men. says:
    February 24, 2016 at 11:52 am

    I’ll give her $1,000 to pour a whiskey over your head and light it on fire.

  78. 1987 Condo says:

    #78..CVS game plan

  79. D-FENS says:

    78 – Wasn’t this always the role of the local pha@rm@cy?

  80. lurker says:

    [78] That’s how it works in South America.

  81. chicagofinance says:

    $99 maybe lower in network pricing in the $60’s

    Juice Box says:
    February 24, 2016 at 1:08 pm
    Grim Minute Clinic?

    https://www.cvs.com/minuteclinic/services

  82. joyce says:

    It’s not funny; it’s tragic. Tragic that individuals who are allegedly “blind” (unbiased) can’t agree on the law, redefine words on a whim, and rely on and/or ignore precedents as it’s suit their current needs.

    Fabius Maximus says:
    February 23, 2016 at 11:22 pm
    #3 grim

    Funny thing about Supreme Court Decisions is that the dissents are written by someone equally as capable.

  83. Libturd questioning the gender of Hillary's Cankle fluid. says:

    Speaking of health madness, my company just started a new service with our regular BCBS coverage called FreshBenies (really dumb name). You can somehow call up a doctor and get prescr1ptions filled for minor ailments. This sounds pretty ripe for abuse.

    http://www.freshbenies.com/#how-freshbenies-helps

  84. joyce says:

    grim,
    Remember this post:
    http://njrereport.com/index.php/2012/06/29/friday-open-discussion-and-legal-review/#comment-514928

    Do you know how much industry/government supported bureaucracy is in your way? Not just slowing you down making it cost prohibitive, but actually barring you from doing so (Certificate of Need (CON) laws being one example)

  85. anon (the good one) says:

    Scalia was never “blind” (unbiased)

    that’s why he’s adored by the right wing

  86. D-FENS says:

    It used to be, when you got sick, you would probably just die.

    Now, you will probably go broke and then die.

  87. Ben says:

    Singapore’s health care system is the most well thought out system there is. A percentage of everyone’s paycheck get diverted into healthcare savings accounts. Practitioners must publish prices. And people shop around. This isn’t rocket science. It’s just common sense.

  88. D-FENS says:

    I thought women didn’t comment here? I guess Joyce is just a figment of your imagination.

    BTW, you’re kind of supporting Joyce’s point with your argument.

    Dumbass

    anon (the good one) says:
    February 24, 2016 at 2:14 pm
    Scalia was never “blind” (unbiased)

    that’s why he’s adored by the right wing

  89. Nom [59];

    This election is bizarro world. I can’t help but think that Trymp is being propped up by leftists who are crossing lines, changing registrations, or good old fashioned voter fraud, to prop him up.

    I don’t get it either. Trump is not the establishment choice, but they are content to stand by and watch him beat Cruz and Rubio despite Trump’s name on the GOP ticket probably representing the best and only shot Hillary has at victory.

  90. Ragnar says:

    anon proves again that this leftist’s alleged love for the “common man” is a veil covering his nihilistic rage and envy toward anyone who has achieved some measure of success in life.

  91. Anon-hole [89];

    “If Scalia’s interpretation of the Constitution held sway in the land, the Court and the government would have much less power over our lives. And that, more than anything else, explains why the Left hated him so much.”

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/431349/gop-must-stand-firm

  92. D-FENS says:

    Lifelong Republicans all swear Trump would never win in the general election. I think that’s way off…

    Time will tell.

  93. Juice Box says:

    Great news my coworkers post-divorce home sale is going through and he’s walking away without having to bring a check to the closing. 2006 purchase 2016 sale.

    All pain and no gain.

  94. Juice Box says:

    Forgot to mention the home is in the Caldwells Sopranos section yeah New Joisey, just grand ain’t it.

  95. Ben says:

    Trump has them by the balls. He threatened to run as an independent and cost them the election. They have no choice but to go along with him. Smart move on his part. In fact, they even tried to get him to pledge not to do it.

  96. Essex says:

    People are saying that the Country is burning and the politicians over the past decades have done little right, perhaps it’s time for a passionate outsider with the overarching sentiment being whoever gets in there couldn’t do any worse.

  97. Libturd says:

    “whoever gets in there couldn’t do any worse.”

    Absolutely.

  98. joyce says:

    Let’s put a dog in charge.

    “… couldn’t do any worse.”

  99. Captain Nom Deplume of the Adventure Men. says:

    And it doesn’t want $15 per hour or mandatory sick time, and it won’t sue you.

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/24/google-robot-is-the-end-of-manual-labor-vc.html

  100. joyce says:

    103
    Lot of upfront (ongoing?) costs though. Wonder how much

  101. Fabius Maximus says:

    I have an easy solution to the retiree issue. Make medial two tier in state and out of state. If you are getting treatment in NJ, you have normal rates (ie Free). If you out of state you get hit with surcharges.

    #61 grim
    Welcome to Europe!

  102. Fabius Maximus says:

    #86 Joyce

    Not disagreeing. I would like to see the Consitution overhauled and a new one drafted for the modern age.

  103. Fabius Maximus says:

    #95 Moose

    The left (to use your broad brush) are no so much for big government. I would class it more as a requirement for the government to protect them. If the water carriers are polluting the waater, they need to be regulated.

    I also think Hate is too strong a term for the lefts view of Scalia. I think this guy shows the balance. http://www.upworthy.com/justice-scalia-died-i-still-dont-like-him-and-thats-ok

  104. Essex says:

    102. No bigger or badder dog than The Donald….!

  105. Fabius Maximus says:

    I have a minute clinic bill on my desk. Took my kid for a strep test.
    Minute clinic $120 for the appointment and test. $70 after insurance.
    Lab Corp $108 for the test, $13 after insurance.

    I use them a lot for my kids. When they get sick at the weekends my Kids doctor is usually not open. They send all the results to her anyway.

  106. Essex says:

    Question for the group. Would it be better to leave and lose your benefits or stay and lose them? Because honestly, most people aren’t keeping hope alive that this is the place to retire….or better yet, real estate in haughty town…? Now that the crash is real, is this a safe haven for $$$? Discuss.

  107. joyce says:

    Welcome to the UK, where they don’t have one so they don’t even have to pretend to be bound by anything.

    Fabius Maximus says:
    February 24, 2016 at 6:25 pm
    #86 Joyce

    Not disagreeing. I would like to see the Consitution overhauled and a new one drafted for the modern age.

  108. grim says:

    Can’t wait for the new iPhone – handset to handset voice encryption – untappable

  109. joyce says:

    HealthCare.gov is legally permitted to approve applications with unresolved documentation issues. Consumers then get about three months to straighten out paperwork issues.

    However, GAO concluded that the process for resolving documentation issues does not appear to be highly reliable.

    The investigators’ analysis determined that 431,000 applications from 2014 still had unresolved paperwork issues in April of 2015, months after the coverage year had ended. Those applications involved $1.7 billion in taxpayer subsidies.

    In addition, there were 35,000 applications with unresolved questions involving matching Social Security numbers, which represented $154 million in subsidies for insurance premiums.

    Finally, there were about 22,000 applications where it wasn’t clear if the beneficiary was serving a prison sentence. Those accounted for $68 million in subsidies. (Prisoners are not eligible for coverage under the health care law.)

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/healthcare-gov-passive-on-heading-off-fraud/

  110. juice Box says:

    Wind is gusting quite a bit down here In Monmouth.

    A tornado watch is in effect until 11 p.m. EST for the District of Columbia, Delaware, central and eastern Maryland, most of New Jersey (except northeastern sectons), eastern Pennsylvania and northeastern Virginia. The watch includes Allentown, Atlantic City, Baltimore, Philadelphia and Plainfield, New Jersey.

  111. Libturd says:

    Huge squall line coming through. Especially odd in February.

    http://weather.cod.edu/satrad/nexrad/index.php?type=DIX-N0Q-1-12

  112. Comrade Nom Deplume and His Amazing Trick Back says:

    [115] libturd

    Just went through here. Not the worst I’ve experienced but I would not want to be out in it.

  113. juice box says:

    Power blinked once.

    A few outages not too bad.

    http://outages.firstenergycorp.com/nj_m.html

  114. Libturd says:

    Didn’t say it was severe. Just unusual for this time of the year. El Nino yo!

  115. Fabius Maximus says:

    #111 Joyce

    The UK is based on the Magna Carta, parts of which are still in force today. It was also used to draft the US constitution.

  116. Fabius Maximus says:

    #114 Juice

    Bergen and Passaic have a tornado and storm watch up to 2AM with Gusts to 75mph.

  117. D-FENS says:

    The US constitution and the original design of our Republic is what makes us unique in the world. It is outrageous and offensive for you to suggest we change this.

  118. joyce says:

    119
    In part, and thank you for agreeing (only parts of it are still in force today)

  119. Fabu [107];

    The left (to use your broad brush) are no so much for big government. I would class it more as a requirement for the government to protect them. If the water carriers are polluting the waater, they need to be regulated.

    The marketplace can ‘regulate’ corporate behavior, too. Just not to the liking of leftists. Hence, regulation == ever bigger, more intrusive government. Like the EPA regulating every puddle it can find as a “wetland”; or CO2 as a “pollutant” — each one of us walking around breathing air is a federal polluter, pumping out CO2.

    I also think Hate is too strong a term for the lefts view of Scalia.

    I saw the tasteless Twits — hate is, if anything, far too mild a word. And ignorant, to boot because while they reject Scalia full-throat there was no stauncher defender of the the 4th amendment on the bench, often siding with the “liberal” wing of the party.

  120. Fabius Maximus says:

    #121 D-FENS
    So what was the purpose of the Bill of Rights exactly?

  121. Fabius Maximus says:

    #122 Joyce

    Because over the years successive parliaments changed or repealed parts to reflect the needs of the country at the time. These should be living documents, not stuck in amber.

  122. [32] Stu – you left out the best part, she was talking about checking boxes too.

    Yesterday, Lurker mentioned gender fluid. That is all.

  123. lurker – Welcome. Also, you’ll find that the board has a lot of continuity if you just scroll by all the Pumpkin posts without reading them.

  124. Fabius Maximus says:

    #123 Moose

    As we have seen over and over, the market will quite happily support a rigged games.

    Talking of Scalia and Ironies, for someone who wrapped himself up with the Framers, he trampled over them in Bush vs. Gore

  125. grim – I think your proprietary polling is way off. This is how you identify the vast majority of Trump supporters: Think about people you know who express no opinion whatsoever in public about the upcoming election. Those people are 70% of Trump’s base. My guess is that a full quarter of people who say they’re deciding between Hillary and Sanders are also voting for Trump.

    Anyone else enjoying what appears to be a Mexican Standoff in the GOP.

    Three men standing, all three with guns, each man has two guns, pointed at the other opponents.

    Cruz and Rubio know that they both have a strong shot, but only if the other guy gets shot. Trump is laughing, because he has the advantage that as long as Cruz or Rubio won’t shoot, he will win.

    For the GOP to have a reasonable shot at a non-Trump candidate, either Rubio or Cruz must die. Trump will not shoot, unless they both blink, and he can pull both triggers.

  126. joyce says:

    Is that what the governments have been doing all these years, fulfilling the needs of the people?

    Fabius Maximus says:
    February 24, 2016 at 11:56 pm
    #122 Joyce

    Because over the years successive parliaments changed or repealed parts to reflect the needs of the country at the time. These should be living documents, not stuck in amber.

  127. joyce says:

    “Living documents”
    First, amending the constitution is fine. The “substance over form” argument does not apply here as not following the the proper procedures is to not follow the law in the first place. Interpreting things into existence is criminal.
    Second, I repeat there is no set of supreme laws from which all else follow in the UK.

  128. joyce says:

    Is the government actively supporting the rigged games? or maybe the bought and paid for regulators are doing nothing or fining them rather than trying to jail them

    Fabius Maximus says:
    February 25, 2016 at 12:16 am
    #123 Moose

    As we have seen over and over, the market will quite happily support a rigged games.

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