Slow grind

From the Record:

Home prices edge up in New York metro area

Home values are edging up slowly in the New York metropolitan area, including North Jersey, the S&P CoreLogic Case-Shiller index reported Tuesday.

Single-family home prices in the region rose 2 percent in the 12 months ending in May, Case-Shiller said. That compares with a national increase of 5 percent.

As the nation continues to recover from the worst housing downturn in decades, home prices in the region are still stuck at the level of autumn 2004, more than a decade ago, and remain about 16 percent below their mid-2006 peaks during the housing boom. Nationally, home values are equal to their levels in December 2005, and are about 9 percent below their 2006 peaks.

The New York area’s price increase was the slowest in the nation, continuing the recent pattern. Home values are rising most rapidly in the West, led by Portland, Seattle, Dallas and Denver.

Case-Shiller does not measure home values by county, but according to the New Jersey Realtors, single-family prices dipped 1.1 percent in Bergen County to a median $460,000. In Passaic, the median price rose 5.3 percent to $300,000 in May. The number of sales was up sharply in both counties over the 12 months ending in May, according to NJAR.

Home prices in this area are not rebounding as quickly because they didn’t fall as far as in other parts of the nation during the housing crash. In addition, New Jersey is still dealing with a backlog of distressed properties that piled up during the foreclosure crisis. Those properties tend to sell at a discount and put downward pressure on neighboring property values.

“Overall, housing is doing quite well,” said David M. Blitzer, chairman of the index committee at S&P Dow Jones Indices.

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77 Responses to Slow grind

  1. grim says:

    Interview with Jeff Otteau from the APP:

    @ISSUE: When will N.J. housing prices recover?

    In what year did housing prices in New Jersey hit rock bottom? How much was the average median selling price off from the peak?

    The statewide peak in New Jersey home prices occurred in 2005, reaching a median selling price of $311,000. Home prices then declined by 23 percent contemporaneous with the 2007-2009 economic recession and the slower pace of economic recovery in New Jersey, to a cyclical low of $254,000 in 2012.

    On average how much have prices recovered in New Jersey? How long will it take for prices to get back to their peak?

    Since the cyclical low in 2012, median prices have increased to $273,000 through year-end 2015, reflecting a 7 percent increase from that low point, while remaining 18 percent below the 2005 peak.

    The home price recovery has been much slower in New Jersey compared to most other states because of the more challenged economic conditions here. Based upon these trends, we are projecting that home prices will recover to their 2005 price-peak in 2023. A more accurate way to phrase that, however, is that home prices achieved their 2023 level 18 years ahead of schedule because of the loosening of mortgage underwriting standards beginning in the mid-1990s.

    The bounce back in prices has been uneven in New Jersey. In what counties has the recovery been strongest and weakest, and what accounts for the differences?

    There is a clear pattern whereby those places that are closest to Manhattan, situated primarily in the northeastern and central parts of the state, have seen more robust price recovery. This is particularly true in towns with a commuter rail station within their borders offering direct service to Manhattan. Places like Summit, Chatham Borough, Montclair and Ridgefield all are outperforming the rest of the state.

    For decades, Monmouth and Ocean counties historically led the state in new housing starts. Now, Hudson and Essex counties appear to be the leaders in new construction. What accounts for the shift?

    While there are multiple reasons for this shift, a primary factor has been the widespread down-zoning of land by suburban municipalities in recent decades in which minimum required lot sizes were increased in an attempt to reduce the number of homes built, and by extension, public school enrollments.

    This, in turn, pushed the sizes and prices of new single-family homes higher, making them too expensive for younger-age households to afford. The result has been a declining population of “millennial” households and an acute affordable housing crisis in the state. A byproduct of these conditions is that younger-age millennial households are being forced to leave the suburbs in search of the relevant housing choices that predominantly exist in more urbanized areas of the state.

    If left uncorrected, the economic prospects for New Jersey’s suburban communities is dim as employers are forced to relocate their operations closer to the millennial talent pool they seek to recruit. These developments are responsible for elevated vacancies in suburban office buildings across the state.

  2. Billary – A love story. Sheesh.

  3. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yes, I was on point. Guess who has aspirations to become mayor of NYC? Yes, Trump’s son. Dead on with my assessment here.

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    July 25, 2016 at 12:37 pm
    I was a Bernie supporter and this just shows that your vote really doesn’t matter. Don’t know why I even waste time paying attention to politics, it’s a rigged game. No Trump isn’t changing that, over the past few weeks, he has started to look and sound more and more like a career politician. Even his kids have changed and become like typical politicians(think they now all have aspirations to become career politicians). Drink the power, then become drunk off the power, and then you become something totally different from when you started. Politics continuously does this to people, over and over again. Nature of the beast.

  4. grim says:

    From the Star Ledger:

    N.J. bill would tax Airbnb, online rentals like hotels

    Online marketplaces such as Airbnb that offer short-term house and room rentals would be taxed like hotels under a proposal introduced in the state Assembly this week.

    The bill introduced by Annette Quijano (D-Union) and Valerie Vainieri Huttle (D-Bergen) would impose a 7 percent sales and use tax and a 5 percent transient accommodation fee on accommodations booked through Airbnb and similar websites.

    The caveat is that only landlords who have collected at least $1,000 by renting out their property in the past 12 months would be taxed.

    Quijano said the new tax “is all about fairness,” as traditional hotels and motels are required to tax guests at the same rate. “There is nothing fair about one company having to pay certain fees while another one that provides essentially the same service is exempt.”

    The bill (A-4048) would also authorize certain municipalities to impose a 3 percent transient accommodation tax.

  5. grim says:

    I really wonder what implication #4 would have on shore rentals, surely these taxes would apply to shore houses as well.

  6. Anybody else thinking that the Fed might try to sneak a bullet back into the gun (raise rates) and cap this rally now rather than set themselves up for handling a possibly bigger problem between now and the election?

  7. [6] In other words, if the market drops now on the heels of a Fed raise, its Yellen’s fault. If the market drops on its own between now and November, its Obama’s fault.

  8. Juice Box says:

    There won’t be much sales in my town for a while.

    These signs are everywhere.

    http://www.nj.com/monmouth/index.ssf/2016/06/monmouth_residents_rage_against_potential_power_li.html

  9. No One says:

    Remember the part in Bill’s speech when he said he was standing behind her and thinking about whether to touch her? If that actually happened, he was probably thinking about whether to slap around and pinch that big ass of hers. Not whether or not to tap her shoulder, as he claimed.

  10. Juice Box says:

    re: # 9 – He was 25 years old at the time and made it sound like he was some sheepish cuck, meanwhile by all other accounts Bill was quite the ladies man.

  11. Ben says:

    There won’t be much sales in my town for a while.

    These signs are everywhere.

    You’d be surprised. The most overpriced houses in Mercer County were the ones that sat under the gigantic power lines. IMO, that crap should reduce the price by $60k. I never noticed a difference in sales price.

    It was almost as bad as one house I looked at in which a f*ck*ing freight train literally ran through the backyard. I asked the neighbor who was outside about it and she was like “I don’t even notice it”.

  12. [3] Schlumpkin:
    1. You are wrong.
    2. Maybe you would better enjoy posting somewhere in private (try Notepad, its easy to get the hang of it and comes free with Windows) and then congratulating yourself in private for how “on point” you are.

    BTW, you may be confused between the proper usage of “on point” versus “pointless”.

  13. Nah, he was trying to estimate if he had the arm strength to reach under her skirt and carry her away like a bowling ball.

    Remember the part in Bill’s speech when he said he was standing behind her and thinking about whether to touch her? If that actually happened, he was probably thinking about whether to slap around and pinch that big ass of hers. Not whether or not to tap her shoulder, as he claimed.

  14. Comrade Nom Deplume, the Deplumiest. says:

    I can see a helluva lot of resistance to this, esp in the northeast

    http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2016/07/27/shipping-container-home-may-be-first-many-in-houston/

  15. Grim says:

    Whats up will Bill anyway? He seemed really off.

  16. Fast Eddie says:

    Whats up will Bill anyway? He seemed really off.

    Low energy, outdated, irrelevant, out of touch. Btw, Hillery looks horrible. She looks exhausted and trying to hide her health issues.

  17. walking bye says:

    Ex pat, In June listening to bloomberg radio, all the market gurus were saying that the market had priced in a rate increase and that’s why the rally was on. Now all of sudden they forget they priced it in and a rate increase could send the market down. These guys talk out of both side s of their mouth.

  18. wb – Tell me about. Of course CNBC is worse boat of shills, but I take issue with Bloomberg TV and radio too. I’m listening to Bloomberg Radio right now (iHeartRadio App is pretty damn good, btw) but I can only stand them for an hour or two during the day. Also they are so in the tank for Hillary which pisses me off even more for some reason than when CNN, MSNBC, et al does it.

    Ex pat, In June listening to bloomberg radio, all the market gurus were saying that the market had priced in a rate increase and that’s why the rally was on. Now all of sudden they forget they priced it in and a rate increase could send the market down. These guys talk out of both side s of their mouth.

  19. [18] I think I hate the Trump bashing the worst on Bloomberg radio because they slip it in in just this really small and snide way at the same time they seem to really enjoy themselves for being so superior.

  20. All of the cops that were being scapegoated for Freddie Gray’s wild ride have had the charges dropped against them.

  21. Just a mild stroke, er I mean fall, er stomach flu. Yeah, yeah, that’s the ticket. I travel to so many different countries, because there are just so many games that need changing, and I picked up a little Botswana burps or some other bug. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

    Btw, Hillery looks horrible. She looks exhausted and trying to hide her health issues.

  22. Comrade Nom Deplume, no longer white. says:

    Some contra research on ACA, suggesting that Obamacare price increases are not as bad as you think they are:

    http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2016/07/21/obamacare-premiums-are-lower-than-you-think/

    As the comments point out, some (including me) took issue with this article as spin designed to portray a bad fact in a favorable light. This is to be expected because the folks writing this publication are the same folks that were advising and implementing Obamacare, and their bias is well known. Still, they are still extremely credentialed and knowledgeable so I pay attention.

  23. Comrade Nom Deplume, no longer white. says:

    [20] expat,

    Mosby: ” it has become clear to me that — without being able to work with an independent investigatory agency from the very start, without having a say in the election of whether our cases proceed in front of a judge or a jury, without communal oversight of policing in this community, without real, substantive reforms to the current criminal justice system — we could try this case 100 times, and cases just like it, and we would still end up with the same result.”

    In other words, we would lose because of the criminal justice system itself. So not only did she piss off the cops, she basically indicted the entire criminal justice system for not being one that will give her the results she wants.

    I expect we will be hearing about her leaving her position in the next 18 months and running for political office.

  24. [23] So without a team to manufacture motive and evidence and a hanging judge to gleefully accept same, she’s SOL?

  25. Comrade Nom Deplume, the Deplumiest. says:

    [24] expat

    Pretty much.

  26. Comrade Nom Deplume, the Deplumiest. says:
  27. chicagofinance says:

    That is too ridiculous…..they were paid to do that….that Fox News guy is a cartoon character….

    Comrade Nom Deplume, the Deplumiest. says:
    July 27, 2016 at 12:21 pm
    You just can’t make this stuff up.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/07/27/black-dnc-protest-tells-crowd-white-people-to-back.html

  28. chicagofinance says:

    I learnt me somethin’…….the stimulus dated to a period before 2003-2004…..I never realized that it went so far back……I guess our initial attention was drawn only when it hit blatantly extreme levels….

    from lead article
    “Is the millennial generation ever likely to see a run-up in home prices as was experienced during the late 1990s and midway into the 2000s?

    One of the things I’ve learned is to “never say never.” Still, this is highly unlikely to recur in the future. It’s instructive to recognize that the unsustainable run-up in home prices over this time period was in large part a result of an economic and social engineering experiment in the 1990s to lower the credit standards for mortgage underwriting in order to promote economic growth through a “juiced” housing market. Think “housing on steroids.”

    That experiment worked for a while as the national home ownership rate rose from its long-term historical norm of 64 percent to an unprecedented 69 percent, creating 5 million new homeowner households in the process. What wasn’t accounted for, however, is that a significant share of those new households weren’t able to afford the homes they were purchasing, which was the primary catalyst for the ensuing foreclosure wave and global financial crisis.”

  29. “We are not afraid to put you out! We are not afraid to put you out!”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UVpnSWkGrU

  30. Heh-heh. Rachel Maddow all skeeved out by the hetero love story at the beginning of Bill’s speech.

    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/07/26/maddow-i-found-top-part-of-bills-dnc-speech-shocking-and-rude/

  31. Comrade Nom Deplume, no longer white. says:

    Decided I’m going to bring a few clothespins in to the booth for my nose and voting Trump. He’s a buffoon and will get his clock cleaned, but I have to do my part to deny Shrillary and the Red Guards a mandate.

  32. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Wow, these people are lost. I’m so sick of the white and black bullshit. It’s beyond the point of annoyance.

    The Original NJ ExPat says:
    July 27, 2016 at 1:00 pm
    [27] chi – How many people did they hire?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7GM6nGmNQ8

  33. Comrade Nom Deplume, no longer white. says:

    Jesus, the more I dig, the more that I find that the dems make Nixon look like an amateur.

    https://cpj.org/reports/2013/10/obama-and-the-press-us-leaks-surveillance-post-911.php

  34. [33] “…in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.”

    Pumpkin – Get to the back and take the other two moral corruption incarnates with you.

  35. [34] Nom – Here’s another newly mined gem. Put up a Six-Year FOIA Stonewall and then destroy the documents.

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/26/agency-admits-it-destroyed-records-after-six-year-foia-stonewall/

  36. Ben says:

    DORAL, Fla. — Donald J. Trump said Wednesday that he hoped Russia had hacked Hillary Clinton’s email….“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Mr. Trump said, staring directly into the cameras. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”…The Clinton campaign immediately accused Mr. Trump of both encouraging Russian espionage against the United States and meddling in domestic politics…This has to be the first time that a major presidential candidate has actively encouraged a foreign power to conduct espionage against his political opponent,” said Jake Sullivan, Mrs. Clinton’s chief foreign policy adviser. “This has gone from being a matter of curiosity, and a matter of politics, to being a national security issue.”

    So wait…did Mrs. Clinton’s “chief foreign policy adviser just admit that her emails are a national security issue?

  37. Esther George agreed with my thinking, but the rest of the FOMC told her to eff off. No rate raise from the Fed.

  38. Comrade Nom Deplume, the Deplumiest. says:

    [36] expat

    This goes on frequently but this administration has made it SOP because they know it won’t see daylight in the MSM nor will it be prosecuted by the pet dogs at DoJ. It is hubris and elitism in its highest form.

  39. Comrade Nom Deplume, no longer white. says:

    The spin from the Clinton camp was bad enough, but the fact that CNN absolutely ran with it, well, if you had any doubt that they were in the tank for Clinton, explain away this one:

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/27/politics/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-hack-hillary-clinton/index.html

  40. Comrade Nom Deplume, no longer white. says:

    [40] redux

    The fact that the DNC and Clinton Camp would advance that spin with a straight face is an indictment of our political system

    The fact that some group out there is nodding along and eating it up is an indictment of our educational system.

    I don’t know which is worse.

  41. joyce says:

    36
    Expat,

    You seem to have no trouble finding problems with our federal government agencies, but still defend state/local ones. Still have faith?

  42. Juice Box says:

    Trump trolled the press pretty well today, top of CNN and other news media. There is no way Hillary is going to rehabilitate her image with voters
    If Trump keeps sowing the seeds of doubt. The media is lapping this stuff up and giving Trump free press. He is down in Florida and so far has spent no money on TV ads yet is neck and neck with Hillary whp has spent a fortune on TV ads.

  43. Comrade Nom Deplume, no longer white. says:

    [33] pumps

    ” I’m so sick of the white and black bullshit. It’s beyond the point of annoyance.”

    Not to me. I live far away from that bullshiite. And in PA, I can carry repellent for those pesky SJWs who want to emphasize the W.

    Grant them all the autonomy they want, I say.

  44. Comrade Nom Deplume, no longer white. says:

    [43] Juice,

    Agreed. He can take that CNN story and totally portray the network as being in the tank. The article didn’t just quote, it ran “treason” as its own conclusion. Trump should bash CNN at his next three events and force the network to backpedal and dissemble. This will be a hard one to dig their way out of. Then his handlers can make comparisons to Dan Rather and the Bush National Guard controversy or Fakeline NBC.

  45. Juice Box says:

    Latest FEC data.

    In June, the Clinton campaign on its own paid television media agency GMMB $17.5 million, according to the most recent FEC filing. FEC data shows the Trump campaign spent nothing on TV last month.

  46. Juice Box says:

    Nom – Hot Sauce, Abuela ads, plus the new addition the Spanish speaking white VP is what Hispandering Hillary has in her corner.

  47. [42] joyce – I’m not sure to what state and local agencies you are referring to. It’s all corrupt and I don’t remember implying or inferring otherwise. In Boston pols run unopposed for life (including my US congressman), so of course they have free reign to do whatever they want. Our last 3 consecutive state house speakers in MA were all convicted of felonies and jailed. I guess that’s the main difference. At the state level you can actually be indicted, tried, convicted, and serve jail time. At the federal level there are no penalties. I guess it’s like the AAA baseball compared to the MLB.

    36
    Expat,

    You seem to have no trouble finding problems with our federal government agencies, but still defend state/local ones. Still have faith?

  48. I wonder if the Russians have some cyber-hypnosis software that they used to make the DNC staffers write the emails in the first place.

  49. joyce says:

    The Baltimore Police Department, the Baltimore City Circuit Court, basically the entire criminal justice system save for the Prosecutor’s office (unless they are indicting non-police officers).

    The Original NJ ExPat says:
    July 27, 2016 at 3:51 pm
    [42] joyce – I’m not sure to what state and local agencies you are referring to. It’s all corrupt and I don’t remember implying or inferring otherwise.

  50. I just heard the best thing ever:

    1. If you want to make a conservative mad – tell him a lie and then tell others a lie about him.
    2. If you want to make a liberal mad – tell him the truth and then tell others the truth about him.

  51. Essex says:

    47. she’s gonna win though.

  52. joyce – I *never* proclaimed an opinion about any of these cases until today. The only opinion I expressed was in reply to the disingenuous comments of the prosecutor after *she* dropped all remaining cases today. I’ve read some articles but I don’t have enough information to know if Mosby is herself incompetent, set up, dishonest, poorly resourced, disillusioned, or just lying to try to rescue her career or mollify some party or interest. Her comments smack of sour grapes at the very least, and something more insidious at worst. Like all situations, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Read David Simon’s Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets if you want a primer on Baltimore street life. When it comes to Baltimore, I’m convinced there is no racism, very little cop vs. thugism, just a continuing sad spiral of poverty and drugs where the cops can only slow down the spiral, not stop or reverse it.

    The Baltimore Police Department, the Baltimore City Circuit Court, basically the entire criminal justice system save for the Prosecutor’s office (unless they are indicting non-police officers).

  53. Anybody wanna bet that Hillary’s speech writers are working espionage into her speech, or will they leave that to Biden or Obama? The Democrats are so freaking weak, but I hope this is a watershed moment to show the US what biased and corrupt fcuktards every big media outlet has become.

  54. If the illuminati decide that Clinton is damaged goods and she has some debilitating accident in the next few weeks, who gets to run in her place?

  55. IdeaForTommorrow says:

    Grim, you got to expand your story search papers. Yee wonder how long before it gets here or NYC.

    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-llc-money-laundering-20160727-snap-story.html#nt=oft12aH-3gp2

  56. D-FENS says:

    What would Bernie do?

    Essex says:
    July 27, 2016 at 5:45 pm
    47. she’s gonna win though

  57. Comrade Nom Deplume, the Deplumiest. says:

    [37] Ben

    Heard the same thing on Fox tonight. National security? But the emails were about yoga and kids, you said?

  58. [58] We’ve all known for the last several years that the press leans decidedly one way…but…doesn’t it seem now that we’re at DNC DefCon5 that they are just all moving in coordinated unity in the plain light of high noon, no matter the spinning corpses of Huntley and Brinkley?

  59. relo says:

    26: Holy $#!^. My wife just had a Clot moment. She said “burn it down and start all over again”. Yike.

  60. Libturd questioning the gender of Hillary's Cankle fluid. says:

    I’m with ChiFi, no homo.

    The video of that moron telling the white people to line up in the back, was so contrived, that it was only outdone by the moron in the white-face mask dancing on the burning flag while surrounded by 100 press photographers. I wonder what they served during the c0cktail hour. People are so shallow. The cheerleaders on both side are sickening to watch. Did you ever comprehend how easy it was for Hitler to convince his country mates to murder a whole bunch of their country mates? Watching the sheeple supporting both sides of the aisle during this election has been quite sickening. We really are not that far detached from the apes. Though my ass is slightly less hairy.

  61. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Bloomberg- best line of the year!

  62. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “I’m a New Yorker and I know a con when I see one”

  63. Libturd questioning the gender of Hillary's Cankle fluid. says:

    Bloomberg…the liberal dude, who like Trump ceased on the opportunity to temporarily become a closet Democrat, famous for his big gulp crusade and who might possibly be the only person with a bigger ego than the Donald. Yeah, that third term was a hell of humble move. We should all listen to what he has to say. You really are a c0cksucker for the rich Plumpy.

  64. Comrade Nom Deplume, the Deplumiest. says:

    [63] pumps

    It should have been “I’m a New Yorker and I know a sucker when I see one”

    He suckered the entire City of New York. Not bad for a kid from West Medford, Mass.

  65. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I think Bloomberg did a good job with NYC. And not for nothing, no one should be drinking big gulps and expecting their fellow citizens to pick up their medical bills when the time comes. You want to be a complete fat a$$, sign a waiver that doesn’t hold the public hostage with your future medical bills. Drink all the big gulps you want as long as other people aren’t getting stuck with the bill.

    Libturd questioning the gender of Hillary’s Cankle fluid. says:
    July 27, 2016 at 9:56 pm
    Bloomberg…the liberal dude, who like Trump ceased on the opportunity to temporarily become a closet Democrat, famous for his big gulp crusade and who might possibly be the only person with a bigger ego than the Donald. Yeah, that third term was a hell of humble move. We should all listen to what he has to say. You really are a c0cksucker for the rich Plumpy.

  66. Ben says:

    I think Bloomberg did a good job with NYC. And not for nothing, no one should be drinking big gulps and expecting their fellow citizens to pick up their medical bills when the time comes. You want to be a complete fat a$$, sign a waiver that doesn’t hold the public hostage with your future medical bills. Drink all the big gulps you want as long as other people aren’t getting stuck with the bill.

    ahh yes…1 big gulp bad….12 budweisers though, that’s all fine and dandy in Bloomberg’s eyes. Not only do I drink a Big Gulp, I get a friggin taquito at 7-11 as well.

  67. The Great Pumpkin says:

    There is nothing you can do about alcohol. The govt tried to eliminate it to stop guys from going home drunk and beating their family. Most, including myself, can handle drinking without raging, and because of this, we believe we should have a right to drink.

    Just like prohibition was not targeted at the masses. Neither was the big gulp idea. It was focused on trying to prevent the people who could not control themselves and bring harm to society with their actions. You drinking a big gulp is not harming anyone because you know how to limit your intake. Unfortunately, fat asses for some reason drink big gulps like it’s their job. Guess you never saw some obese teenager pounding big gulps like they could get drunk off it.

    You really have no idea how much obesity costs you.

    “ahh yes…1 big gulp bad….12 budweisers though, that’s all fine and dandy in Bloomberg’s eyes. Not only do I drink a Big Gulp, I get a friggin taquito at 7-11 as well.”

  68. Anon E. Moose, Second Coming of JJ says:

    Ben [67];

    ahh yes…1 big gulp bad….12 budweisers though, that’s all fine and dandy in Bloomberg’s eyes.

    Oh, Nanny Mike would have gotten around to banning (by confisc@tory taxation) the demon liquor soon enough. Despite having allegedly run a city that once and still housed quite a bit of organized crime, prohibition clearly taught him nothing.

  69. Anon E. Moose, Second Coming of JJ says:

    Plumpy [68];

    You know, we could just get the government out of the business of guaranteeing health care to everyone, then it won’t be anyone else’s business how much of whatever someone drinks or how fat it makes them.

    I know, the idea of freedom is Kooky Talk to a left-loving half-@ssed soci@list like yourself — just not so much soci@lism that it interferes with your rent roll, right?

  70. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I call bull sh!t on the idea that we eliminate guaranteed healthcare and we won’t have a problem. What are you going to have dying in the street begging on every corner? That might work.

    Listen, there is no such thing as freedom when living in a society with other people. You give up that right for the greater good. The economy could not exist under a system of total freedom. What’s to stop someone from taking what they want from you? If we are talking about freedom, they have the right to do whatever they want. Maybe they are having a bad day and feel like acting on their freedom to put a cap in your ass. I’ll pass and stick to the idea that I give up certain freedoms for the greater good.

    Anon E. Moose, Second Coming of JJ says:
    July 27, 2016 at 10:33 pm
    Plumpy [68];

    You know, we could just get the government out of the business of guaranteeing health care to everyone, then it won’t be anyone else’s business how much of whatever someone drinks or how fat it makes them.

    I know, the idea of freedom is Kooky Talk to a left-loving half-@ssed soci@list like yourself — just not so much soci@lism that it interferes with your rent roll, right?

  71. Comrade Nom Deplume, the Deplumiest. says:

    [71] pumps

    Spoken like a liberal

    “Listen, there is no such thing as freedom when living in a society with other people. You give up that right for the greater good. The economy could not exist under a system of total freedom. . . . I’ll pass and stick to the idea that I give up certain freedoms for the greater good.”

  72. Anon E. Moose, Second Coming of JJ says:

    Gourd-o [71];

    Listen, there is no such thing as freedom when living in a society with other people. You give up that right for the greater good. The economy could not exist under a system of total freedom. What’s to stop someone from taking what they want from you? If we are talking about freedom, they have the right to do whatever they want. Maybe they are having a bad day and feel like acting on their freedom to put a cap in your ass. I’ll pass and stick to the idea that I give up certain freedoms for the greater good.

    So since you don’t have the ‘freedom’ to “put a cap in [my] ass” (and you do know those little cap guns you had as a kid don’t actually shoot bullets? Just checking…), no one else should have the freedom to drink a big gulp? Yeah, that makes sense — to a 7 year old. Do you wave that “cap” thing around at your tenants when you show up to collect the rent?

  73. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You want them to have their big gulps, then don’t complain about the rise in your insurance/tax bill if you don’t want to do anything about the problem. You will have a part in paying for the costs of someone’s obesity issue, whether indirectly or directly. Remember, economics is the game of dividing up resources; how many resources will be wasted on this 400lb problem? So you will pay for it indirectly or directly no matter what. Doesn’t matter what economic system or rules you are playing by either, they will overconsume resources while not putting forth any production. Only way you won’t pay for it is if you put a “cap” in their head.

  74. Comrade Nom Deplume, the Deplumiest. says:

    I’m going to miss the United States of America.

  75. libturd still chopping says:

    Europe is no better. People aren’t as pussified in most Arab countries and you can still make gay jokes in India.

  76. I forgot to credit this yesterday, it was from a radio phone interview with Lou Holtz, believe it or not:

    1. If you want to make a conservative mad – tell him a lie and then tell others a lie about him.
    2. If you want to make a liberal mad – tell him the truth and then tell others the truth about him.

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