Short commute costs big money

From the NYT:

What’s Your Commute Time Worth?

What’s a minute spent commuting worth to home buyers?

To find out, using data compiled by the appraisal company Miller Samuel, we mapped recent median sales prices for single-family homes in suburban areas along Metro-North Railroad’s New Haven line. We started just beyond Stamford, Conn., the first express stop in the state (and one of the urban areas omitted from our calculus), and divided the dollar amount of a median-price home near each station by the time it took to get there from Grand Central Station, to arrive at a cost-per-minute figure.

Not surprisingly, homes with longer commutes generally cost less. And the difference in prices — which varied by neighborhood, but averaged $11,836 a minute from Grand Central Station for median-price homes — was dramatic.

Is a minute saved really worth that much? Those in Darien, Conn., nearly an hour into the commute, may think so. A median-price home there costs $22,881 per minute spent on the train, while 15 minutes farther, in Westport, the cost is $17,493, or $5,388 less per minute. Travel another 11 minutes to Fairfield, and home buyers pay $15,705 less per minute than those in Darien.

Beyond Fairfield — at roughly the 90-minute mark — prices drop precipitously. So while some commuters seem willing to spend money to save time, the numbers suggest that more than an hour and a half on the train may be too much for most people to bear.

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108 Responses to Short commute costs big money

  1. grim says:

    From the WSJ:

    After Hitting a 51-Year Low, the Homeownership Rate’s on the Rise

    The nation’s homeownership rate, which has dropped sharply for years, could be at a turning point.

    It hit 63.5% in the third quarter, the Census Bureau said Thursday. That is a significant jump from the prior quarter, when it hit 62.9%, the lowest point in 51 years.

    There were other reasons for optimism in Thursday’s release. About 1.1 million households formed in the third quarter, a significant jump from about 944,000 in the prior quarter.

    More crucially, about half of the new households formed were owners, rather than renters. About 560,000 new owner households were formed this quarter, up from a roughly 22,000 decline in the second quarter. In order for the homeownership rate to rise, more owners need to form households than renters.

    “For me the big reason to be optimistic is looking at household formation,” said Ralph McLaughlin, chief economist at Trulia.

    The persistently low homeownership rate has been one of the most troubling aspects of the recovery. Home prices are back within 0.1% of the July 2006 peak, according to S&P CoreLogic Case-Shiller Indices, driven by a lack of inventory and low interest rates. Nonetheless, young people are still struggling to afford houses due to tight mortgage credit, difficulty saving for a down payment and a lack of starter-home availability.

    Several other signs point to improvement on that front. The share of first-time buyers rose to 34% in September, the highest since July 2012, according to the National Association of Realtors. A recently released Zillow survey conducted this spring found that half of home buyers who bought in the prior year were under 36 years old.

    The rental market has also begun to soften lately, which could indicate that skyrocketing rents have helped push more households to buy.

  2. McBox says:

    Troll the women in your family.

    https://youtu.be/CJahLkbc8YI

  3. McBox says:

    Scott Adams: “Russian hackers are better than we thought. They stole Clinton’s emails from the NSA, put them on Huma’s laptop, and pinned it on Weiner.”

    https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/792231193978687488

  4. 3b says:

    Fab are you still going to defend your girl Hillary?

  5. Grim says:

    No self respecting IT professional can back Hillary without being an incredible hypocrite.

    Sure, you may hate idiot Trump, but you are shitting all over your principals to back her.

  6. Grab them by the puzzy (the good one) says:

    @Keitholbermann

    Regardless of the outcome,
    Comey must resign or be fired.
    At best he’s the most tone-deaf government official since Scooter Libby

  7. Grab them by the puzzy (the good one) says:

    @DavidSchneider

    Poor America.
    Such a tough choice:
    a lying,
    misogynist,
    racist,
    dangerous,
    unpredictable narcissist,

    or a woman who used the wrong email.

  8. Grab them by the puzzy (the good one) says:

    @mattyglesias

    The only way the email story could get any worse for Clinton

    would be if some kind of actual wrongdoing were unearthed

    at some point.

  9. Grim says:

    That’s nonsense.

  10. Fabius Maximus says:

    3b I have read nothing that would change my vote. Outside of the emails coming out I’m shocked there is gambling in this place

    Grim please enlighten me as to why you think it is hypocritical. This should be fun.

  11. yome says:

    But much of Trump’s rhetoric about the Clinton emails is riddled with errors, while the Democratic nominee herself obscured how the news of the additional email review was released.

    We fact checked everything both candidates said on Friday, and will continue doing so here. Here’s what they got right — and wrong — when talking about the FBI and the former secretary of state’s emails.

    “The FBI, after discovering new emails, is reopening their investigation into Hillary Clinton,” Trump said in Lisbon, Maine, and Cedar Rapids, Iowa, on Friday.

    False. This is not a reopening; as a technical matter, it was never closed. The FBI said they were reviewing emails that “appear to be pertinent” to previous investigations into Clinton’s use of a private email server, but noted “the FBI cannot yet assess whether or not this material may be significant.”

    “This is the biggest political scandal since Watergate,” Trump said at his rallies Friday.
    Hardly.

    Bill Clinton was impeached by the House of Representatives for lying under oath to Congress about an affair he had with an intern; no one has found Hillary Clinton guilty of a crime to date.

    “In brief remarks tonight, Hillary Clinton tried to politicize this investigation by attacking and falsely accusing the FBI director of only sending the letter to Republicans. Another Clinton lie. As it turned out, the letter was sent to both Republican and Democratic leaders in Congress,” he said in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
    Clinton said the letter is “only going originally to Republican members of the House,”

    which is not true. The letter was directed at Republican Congressional Committee chairmen and copied to ranking Democratic members, so Trump is right that she’s blurring the facts to imply politicization. That said, he has spent weeks politicizing the previously completed FBI investigation as “rigged” and part of a global conspiracy.

    “The FBI would never have reopened this case at this time if it were not a most egregious criminal offense,” Trump said in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

    There is absolutely no evidence of this

  12. yome says:

    DOJ Complaint Filed Against FBI Director James Comey For Interfering In Presidential Election

  13. Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:

    Yome,

    If the investigation wasn’t closed, Comey never should have “cleared” Clinton in that presser. This makes Comey’s act of “clearing” Clinton (which was never his call to make) seem all the more egregious.

  14. Fast Eddie says:

    The Clintons weren’t skilled merchants. They weren’t traders or manufacturers. The Clintons never produced anything tangible. They had no science, patents or devices to make them millions upon millions of dollars.

    All they had to sell, really, was influence. And they used our federal government to leverage it.

    @John_Kass

  15. Fabius Maximus says:

    I always thought it strange that in that FBI operation, Elliot Spitzer was the only one of the nine identified.

  16. Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:

    Rory,

    Named or publicized? There’s a difference.

    And isn’t it strange he wasn’t prosecuted for either pandering or structuring, even though he admitted to the requisite elements?

  17. Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:

    yome

    That so-called fact check is itself riddled with false and misleading statements.

    When I get some time, I may poke a few holes in it.

  18. Juice Box says:

    Nom – the left was fine with Comey breaking with protocol and “clearing” Hillary just a few weeks before the July 25th Democratic Convention where she was nominated over Bernie. Now that tens of thousands of new emails appear on Huma’s laptop the left aren’t happy with Comey breaking protocol again.

    I think it is perhaps payback for the Marc Rich pardon? Comey was apparently peeved about it back in 2001, and how it was brokered by Eric Holder.

    Who pardons a fugitive from law on their last day of president in 2001 anyway breaking with a precedent against pardons for fugitives was set more than 200 years ago by President John Adams.

    Oh wait Marc Rich’s ex-wife donated 1/2 million to the Clinton Library fund.

    You can read about it in the NY Times archives.

    The left won’t care, it is the undecided voters (if there are any left) who will make or break this election.

  19. grim says:

    DOJ Complaint Filed Against FBI Director James Comey For Interfering In Presidential Election

    Correction, the DOJ did not file a complaint on it’s own behalf, a Hillary Clinton SuperPAC filed a complaint. Anyone can file a complaint.

  20. D-FENS says:

    No ones vote will change. People care more about their political ideology than corruption.

    All I hear in the news is people justifying their choice. Hillary voters hate the right more than they care how bad their candidate is. The DNC Could have literally nominated a donkey and they’d still vote Democratic.

  21. D-FENS says:

    Clinton answers 3 questions in a 4 minute press conference then tells everyone to “vote early “.

  22. grim says:

    Grim please enlighten me as to why you think it is hypocritical. This should be fun.

    What part of ISO27001 permits the transmission and storage of sensitive information on the personal computers of employees?

    What part of HIPAA permits the transmission and storage of sensitive information on the personal computers of employees?

    What part of PCI DSS permits the transmission and storage of sensitive information on personal computers of employees?

    What part of SOX permits the transmission and storage of sensitive information on personal computers of employees?

    What part of the EU Data Protection Directive permits the transmission and storage of sensitive information on personal computers of employees?

    What part of SANS permits the transmission and storage of sensitive information on personal computers of employees?

    Are you noticing a trend here?

    There is only one reason to conduct the kind of business she conducted using external email servers under her control, and that is to specifically control the ability to obscure and delete records of communications, which she would not have otherwise.

    You are a hypocrite because you see only what you want to see, so you minimize this, as it doesn’t fit your agenda. Just like you supporting the single most misogynistic media that has ever existed. So you go to comic-con, supporting half-naked prostitutes peddling comics, with your own money, and with your kids, but somehow Trump is the worst thing that ever happened to women?

    Again, you are a hypocrite.

  23. Steamturd, obsessed with Cankles way more than Wieners. says:

    What is so incredulous about the left and their undying support of Hillary is their collective ability to ignore unethical action after action by the Clinton’s. I would agree with Rotto and AbFlab in that Hillary never committed a crime.

    Is it a crime to intentionally delete all of the emails from a personal email server (stupidly installed in her bathroom by a major campaign donor) where government business (some confidential) was conducted? Is it a crime to delete the emails in such a way that they are irrecoverable? Should the secretary of state have a private email server? Should the secretary of state understand what confidentiality protocol is?

    The Clinton Foundation is intentionally unfocused. Why? Perhaps so they can accept the purchase of favor from as wide and audience as is possible? Is not a foundation a conflict of interest? A conflict of interest does not require action proving an action related to the conflict occurred. The potential for it is enough. So why does this conflict of interest remain open. And Hillary has pledged that it will remain open even if elected. But her and her cheating husband won’t run it. They’ll leave that to their daughter, but profit endlessly none-the-less.

    Then there’s the DNC email leaks. After Wasserman gets rightfully fired, Hillary hires her immediately to run her campaign. Though the leaks show she was already running it from within the DNC.

    The Clinton’s complete lack of ethics, both when Bill was fcuking interns and lying about it and when Hillary was a State Senator and Secretary of State is factual. This is not the dumb story of some contractor underpaid due to lack of performance. This is not some story of Trump claiming he grabbed her by the privates. This is not some story of Trump not paying taxes which is common of all developers and a problem with the tax law. This is corruption at the highest level and Hillary flaunts it. And the left completely ignores the facts. There is so much smoke around Hillary that you could put a brisket in her pants and it would come out cooked.

    Trump is an ignoramus, egotistical moron, willingly and knowingly making grand statements to rile up his voters, most of whom see these dumb statements for what they are. The left thinks these statements are easy fodder to prove Trump’s unelectibility (my word). What they fail to realize, and it may prove costly, is that the Trump supporters know it’s all symbolic. And that Trump is not quite as scary of a prospect as they make them out to be. And every time they rip Trump for another asinine thing that he says, e.g. the Wiener email is bigger than Watergate. Trump’s number improve. Perhaps because, with each attack on Trump, the undecided continue to weigh the empty and in-actionable words of Trump versus the proven and factual unethical acts of the Clintons. At least, that is how I see it. The Left is in denial and continue to fall for it. I never thought in a million years this election would get this close. But the DNC showed their true colors this election and the damage may be irreparable. No amount of dumb tweets and progressive late night talkshow hosts is going to change this as well. We all can only hope that a viable third party option comes from all of this. Even if Trump is elected, there is not a Republican who supports him. Much like there is not a Dem who will admit to how horrible a choice Hillary is. This election already proves it. But have no fear, just as the Right were all racists even though Obama was elected twice. The Right will all be chauvinists and misogynists regardless of this election’s outcome. Even though the left is putting a proven misogynist back into the white house. Hell of a choice the DNC has made. At least the Republicans didn’t choose the egoist.

  24. D-FENS says:

    Saw my first “NJ for Clinton” yard sign today in NW NJ. Someone had run it over with their car.

  25. Steamturd, obsessed with Cankles way more than Wieners. says:

    And now for something more important…

    Antonio’s Deli is very, very good. The staff there are great too. And they pass the Captain Cheapo price check too. These hoagies (as they call them down here) were huge. I called in the order an hour before I picked them up yesterday. I ordered the Veggie, the Italian (which I learned does not come with vinegar standard in Philly) and the Fried Tomato. Figured I would eat the Italian today, which I did. What makes their sandwiches very good are three things. A stupid large amount of meat/fillings. A fantastic crusty on the outside, soft on the inside sub roll. Finally, the sharpest provolone you’ll ever find. There was sub shop named Town, that used to make a very similar sandwich in South River when I was growing up. Was a tiny little place. Maybe three people worked there. One made the sandwiches, one worked the phone and third worked the register. Not a lot of options either.
    Well, what made the Veggie and the Fried Tomato so good was the garlic. Never had a sub with that quantity of garlic in oil. It sort of made the bread taste like garlic bread, but it worked like a charm to blend the flavors of the eggplant, crisp brocolli rabe, marinated red peppers and fresh Mozz all together. The Fried Tomato sub was neat since it had a different crunch to it. But with all the garlicky goodness, it really had the same secret as the Veggie sub. The Italian sub was fantastic good, but nothing you can’t get at any excellent deli. It was a lot like the White House Sub, also famous for their bread and sharp provo. On the bright side. The three, two-meal sized sandwiches cost $28 with tax included. Really, a decent deal.

  26. Steamturd, obsessed with Cankles way more than Wieners. says:

    Wow, my grammar sucks when I’m rushing.

  27. grim says:

    Loving fried tomatos, but nobody out here in the Northeast can do it.

    Every time I’m in Mississippi I’ll order it, god damn so good.

  28. grim says:

    Lynch has an issue with Comey? Let me guess, another clandestine runway meeting with Bill Clinton?

  29. Steamturd, obsessed with Cankles way more than Wieners. says:

    I hear you. Dad used to live in Jackson Mississippi. Still miss the Catfish joints. You could order tail, middle or head. And the hushpuppies were out of this world. Places also had fried tomatoes and fried okra if you were lucky. Fried pickles some times too. Was some of the tastiest most unhealthy food that I ever had.

  30. Fast Eddie says:

    grim and steamturd,

    Good reading by both!

  31. D-FENS says:

    The mainstream media is dead. I’m getting my news from the Internet from now on. Where else can you find a picture of Hillary Clinton’s aids helping her up the stairs into an Oscar Meyer Wiener truck?

  32. grim says:

    Comey knew what he was doing, and he knew it would be political suicide. He’s not an idiot, and he’s not a political actor.

    Which leads me to believe his previous testimony to congress was influenced, or they have uncovered some significantly damning information.

    In either case, if he didn’t reveal this, it would be his head on a stake.

    Why else would he do this? I seriously doubt he would have done this unless there was some significant reason to do so. They guy already made a fool of himself defending the FBI position in front of Congress, he already took his lumps.

  33. Steamturd, obsessed with Cankles way more than Wieners. says:

    I think it’s as simple as an attempt to save face (what little there is left). I’m not a conspiracy theorist. I can’t imagine that the wife (supposed) of a former president and Secretary of State doesn’t wield enough power and influence to avoid an FBI indictment. It’s all one big party up there anyway.

  34. grim says:

    I love the hypocrisy of the democrats screaming for Comey to be removed, even though they were praising him a month ago. And why exactly, should Comey be removed for “not following protocol”, when you aren’t screaming for Hillary to be removed for exactly the same?

  35. D-FENS says:

    Logic and reasoning does not work on democrats

  36. Fast Eddie says:

    Even though it’s against DOJ protocol to say anything that could influence an election, if he didn’t come forth now with whatever new info he has, it would have appeared that he lied to Congress after stating the investigation has concluded. As he mentioned, he’s trying to strike a balance. But you got to believe that he wouldn’t do this if it wasn’t substantial. If this new info reveals nothing, yet again, he’s going to need to go into a witness protection program! lol!

  37. Fabius Maximus says:

    Grim,

    BYOD cuts across all of that. The ownership of a device is immaterial. The security and protocols around the device are what is in scope.

  38. Fast Eddie says:

    It’s astonishing the level of denial by the left. How can anyone believe that she has America’s best interest at heart? The Clintons are the most savvy criminals in the history of mankind! They ARE the law.

  39. Fabius Maximus says:

    Lib/grim here is the point most people are missing on the emails. Remember Enron? Part of the SOX fallout was that out companies put an email retention policy in place. In most companies an email is legally dead in 45 days and mailboxes are excluded from backups. If you want to level and IT critique at Hillary, it would be that there were any emails left on the server at all.

  40. Steamturd, obsessed with Cankles way more than Wieners. says:

    You are missing my point. It’s a cop out. Why does Hillary need a private server? What is she hiding? Why did she irrecoverably delete all of that email at the last second? We know what she did isn’t illegal. It’s simply incomprehensible. Like your ignorance of the lack of ethics this displays.

  41. Joyce says:

    She did it to prevent her commingled public/private dealings being made public via FOIA and other disclosure mechanisms. Having the ability to delete emails rather than turn them over in discovery.

    The way she handled confidential information was criminal.

  42. Grim says:

    Snowden followed protocol more than Hillary did.

  43. Steamturd, obsessed with Cankles way more than Wieners. says:

    Ok. That’s true. She really doesn’t deserve a pass there. Someone like me, I could understand not knowing the protocol. But an ex-first lady and then Secretary of State? It’s simply inexcusable. OK. Obfusc@te away left wingers.

  44. Steamturd, obsessed with Cankles way more than Wieners. says:

    The conflict of interest is so blatantly obvious. Everytime someone donates, either Hillary, Bill and sometimes even Chelsea gets paid to speak. Of course it’s impossible to pin the favor to the donation or the speaking fee. That’s why there are conflict of interest laws in place for politicians. The left is so ignorant of this that it borders on complete lunacy. There is simply no defense or excuse for it. To turn around and throw the senseless and baseless garbage at Trump borders on complete lunacy. The DNC screwed up big time. Trump is an opportunist and is playing his cards perfectly. If that means using homophobic, mysoginistic, xenophobic statements? So be it. He’s challenging a clearly corrupt and dangerous opponent who refuses to close the largest pay to play loophole that has ever existed in modern politics. And She simply doesn’t care. Chelsea will run it when I’m president she says. Fcuk you Hillary!

  45. Grim says:

    Clintons have a net worth of $111 million, reported.

    What else do you need to know?

  46. Grim says:

    That’s from starting with $700k net worth in 1992.

    Not bad.

  47. Fast Eddie says:

    That’s from starting with $700k net worth in 1992.

    I was just going to ask. They must have made really good stock picks!

  48. Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:

    Maybe Hillary got lucky with cattle futures.

    Again.

  49. Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:

    I am reminded of the wisdom of the colorful former Gov of Louisiana, Edwin Edwards:

    “We have to get him out of there or there’ll be nothing left to steal.”

  50. 3b says:

    Fab you are the typical leftist. If this e mail scandal or situation if you prefer involved a republican candidate away from trump you and the rest of the leftists would be howling. Yet it’s your candidate and you explain and rationalize it away.

  51. grim says:

    Clinton screaming to release the emails.

    She had the emails, she deleted them.

    Why the screaming? She couldn’t have just turned everything over?

  52. HEHEHE says:

    Clinton committed a crime if any of the emails on those servers where classified.
    There’s no element of intent for mishandling classified documents. If you do it you broke the law.

    In addition this entire investigation was a white wash from the start. In a typical FBI investigation they interview the schleps hoping to flip them on the higher ups. They hope to catch them in a lie because a lying to the Feds is a felony- ask Martha Stewart.

    In this investigation all the schleps were given immunity before questioning!?!?

    I don’t know what Comey’ motivation is for this. Maybe he’s trying to preserve what’s left of his and the FBI’s reputation. Maybe he was forced into his earlier decision due to political pressure.

    I really don’t care. End of the day this all is Hillary’s fault from the beginning. She’s the one who chose not to abide by the law and security procedures of the agency she was running.

  53. Flee? says:

    3b 7:27 pm

    Fab you are the typical leftist. If this e mail scandal or situation if you prefer involved a republican candidate away from trump you and the rest of the leftists would be howling. Yet it’s your candidate and you explain and rationalize it away.

    There were 22 million emails hosted on a GOP server and they disappeared. This covers firing of US attorneys, energy task force, Iraq war, may be even 9/11 preparedness, etc. (someone here can probably chip in about the extent of the info). No major investigation. Nothing.

    See the trend of posts on this board by the regulars over many years to see which way the partisan hackery tilts here (major themes here have been that Obama will be destroying the economy/country, gold is a better investment than S&P 500, etc.)

    The posts here often seem like they are from spoilt, super-rich people with no complaints worrying about the general state of the world. God forbid if some ex-President creates a foundation to help millions in places like Africa (instead of spending on gold-plated toilets)!

  54. Flee? says:

    grim 8:25…

    Comey has worded so vaguely that the emails may even be things that Huma might have sent to her husband (which wouldn’t be on Clinton’s account). There is an endless push to get something to stick here — and we’ll see a lot of it disappear right after the election. Just like how we were all going to die of Ebola and ISIS unless GOP won the house and Senate (and miraculously everything was fine as soon as 2014 elections were done).

  55. McBox says:

    My brother the rocker was just over for a bday for my son. He said we are all covered in blood.

    I cannot find any reason to disagree.

    Continue being a partisan but remember until the day you die you will be covered in blood.

  56. Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:

    Juice at 12:29

    It gets better. 10 years later, Marc Rich’s wife, by then a Dem fundraiser, renounces her US citizenship.

    I must have missed Schumer calling her “despicable” as he did of Saverin.

  57. essex says:

    Going by a helluva an Election night.

  58. HEHEHE says:

    Nope, no spoiled super rich. My parents were your typical blue collar alcoholics. You just seem to want to cloak your ignorance by throwing some class envy bs. into the mix.

    Obama didn’t ruin the economy. He just kicked the van down the road 8 more years. Is gold a better investment than the S&P? In the long run probably considering the S&P’s level the past 8 years has had everything thing to do with the Fed’s money printing and corporate stock buybacks financed by debt and little to do with actual economic growth.

    I’d accept the validity of your arguments if they were the result of some objective observation and not the regurgitation of some bs Democratic Party talking points.

  59. Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:

    This isn’t going to be the third term of Obama or even Bill Clinton.

    This going to be the third term of Richard Milhous Nixon

  60. Grim says:

    Spoilt super-rich? My parents were immigrants and came here with nothing. I’ve worked since I was 16, including working full time through college. Two masters degrees, and a post-grad year at Stevens, all paid cash out of my own pocket, no loans. They busted their balls, I busted mine.

  61. lost says:

    And you think gold will have value if stock market crashes? In an age where the stock market has become one of the main components of the economy, you might want to think this over. I’ll put my money on the S&P as opposed to gold when it comes to long term investing.

    “Obama didn’t ruin the economy. He just kicked the van down the road 8 more years. Is gold a better investment than the S&P? In the long run probably considering the S&P’s level the past 8 years has had everything thing to do with the Fed’s money printing and corporate stock buybacks financed by debt and little to do with actual economic growth.”

  62. lost says:

    And Obama did do a great job under the circumstances he was given. How can you complain that he didn’t do a good job? He got the unemployment rate down, has gotten growth for the majority of his years in office, granted it was slow growth, it’s still growth. The growth would have been a lot more if the debt hawks/tea party freaks didn’t hold Obama back during his first term. Blame them for the slow growth, if they would have allowed for investments in the infrastructure (those are good investments and use of tax dollars) instead of demanding cuts, we would be much much better off economically right now.

    Debt hawks mentality is based on enjoyment from inflicting pain on oneself.

  63. No One says:

    Go ahead, flee and get lost.

  64. Alex says:

    In 8 years, we blew through 10 trillion dollars. That number is staggering, but to many, they can’t grasp it. So let’s put it another way. With 10 trillion dollars you could’ve written a $30,000 check for every man, woman and child living in the US. For a family of four, they could’ve received a check for $120,000.

    Think about what a boost that would’ve given to this economy.

    But no, that 10 trillion dollars is spent and we have little to show for it.

  65. Grab them by the puzzy (the good one) says:

    @Ibishblog

    Comey has whipped up a colossal, and potentially game-changing,

    controversy that is entirely content-free

  66. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. Isn’t it ironic that the lost pumper had the most prescient statement Friday morning, just hours before the FBI announcement?

    lost says:
    October 28, 2016 at 8:50 am
    I thought anything sent electronically can be recovered? Is it really possible to permanently delete something sent over the internet?

  67. Grab them by the puzzy (the good one) says:

    @FiftyStatesBlue

    This is Trump’s USA. A deranged man screaming “Jew SA” at the press who are there to keep us informed. DEPLORABLE.

  68. BTW, has anyone noticed what is not in any of the hacked Podesta emails? Isn’t it odd that a campaign chief seems to have no communications on policy or platform?

  69. Was he dressed like a duck?

    This is Trump’s USA. A deranged man screaming “Jew SA” at the press who are there to keep us informed. DEPLORABLE.

  70. Grab them by the puzzy (the good one) says:

    @NYTnickc

    Guy chants “Jew-S-A” in front of press pen

  71. Grab them by the puzzy (the good one) says:

    @KeithOlbermann

    Trump rally-goer spits “JEW-S-A” at media last night.

    Reminds me that Trump’s deportation plan would involve CAMPS.

  72. If the Clinton campaign has any more 15 year old claims against Trump chambered, they’re going to look pretty lame now.

  73. Trump would be smart to just keep his statements focused on policy from now on, with just a couple “This is going to be bigger than Watergate” asides thrown in.

  74. Nom – Are you still taking action on the outcome?

  75. 3b says:

    Flee no spoilt rich kid here. One of 6 kids immigrant partner. 6th grade education. Hard working wonderfully decent kind human beings. Took nothing from nobody. And all of us graduated from college and some graduate school. We all worked during school busted our butts. Got no financial aid because my dad was too wealthy. Worked two jobs for over 20 years. Left the house at 5 30 got home at 9 30 . And Saturday 9 to 4. And they never complained. So spare me with the spoilt Rick kids. Most Americans could not and would not work the hours the immigrants of that generation worked. Oh and less than a year after coming to this country he was drafted and sent to Korea.

  76. 3b says:

    Flee created a foundation that does good etc? That’s all you see?

  77. Grim says:

    Bill Gates started a foundation to do good. It has not made him a single penny, in fact it’s cost him billions.

    The Clintons created a for profit shell “charity” that has made them millions, by taking donations from questionable sources, under questionable pretenses. Has even a penny of the Clinton’s $110 million fortune gone to supporting this? Doubtful.

    You don’t see the difference?

  78. McBox says:

    Wall St Journal Breaking: FBI to scour 650,000 emails on Anthony Weiner’s laptop; thousands may be tied to Clinton’s server

  79. Raymond Reddington says:

    Bill Gates should have started a foundation to cure the blue screen of death.

  80. Ben says:

    And you think gold will have value if stock market crashes? In an age where the stock market has become one of the main components of the economy, you might want to think this over. I’ll put my money on the S&P as opposed to gold when it comes to long term investing.

    Worked pretty well for me going all in from 2006 to 2009. Gold is 4x as much as it was near the tech bubble burst and even went much higher during it’s run up in 2011. If you aren’t willing to acknowledge the phenomenal returns that have been possible during this entire millenium from the yellow metal, you have no objectivity. Johnny come lately’s lost money. That’s always the case in every market.

    In fact, after a 5 year hiatus, it may be time to starting thinking of gold’s potential given the downside risk of the stock market. Or do you believe an 8 year bull market in which 50% of America is screaming about standard of living has a lot more steam in it?

  81. D-FENS says:

    Weiner gave consent to search the laptop. No need for a warrant from the justice department now.

  82. Flee? says:

    Grim, independent of how someone got rich, the moment they start the 3% tax hike or cut as the primary factor above all else, they are spoilt rich people.

    Re Clinton foundation… Clintons did contribute some of the speaking fees to the foundation and are not paid (the “for profit” you are looking for is at your candidate’s foundation where it is doing a lot of self-dealing — portraits, campaign contributions, etc.) — few hundred million people getting medicines is a pretty noble thing. The incomes of Clintons is very simple to see (all tax returns over several decades are available — they milked the speaking circuit more than usual, but they charged a fourth of what your candidate was charging for speaking at real estate conferences).

    The site you linked to has “FBI agents withheld emails from Comey” as the lead article now. Why are you doubling down so much on Trump and wing-nuttia?

  83. D-FENS says:

    Syria was over an oil pipeline. Hillary and Obama sent CIA after Saudis donated to Clinton foundation.

    https://twitter.com/topwikileaks/status/792776941312937985

  84. 3b says:

    Flee your denial is astounding!! But you have millions who are in the same denial so plenty of company for you.

  85. Flee? says:

    3b, what denial?

    Many here are rushing to claim some immigrant credentials, and many were advancing the “kick out all immigrants and their children” agenda a couple of months ago. Similarly, many are claiming “we came from humble backgrounds, but now that we got ours, screw the poor”. Our host has two Masters’ degrees to go with an engineering degree and yet claims that education is not important for children.

    Some people here are complaining about 10T debt (https://www.thebalance.com/national-debt-under-obama-3306293 seems to show a nuanced picture of what can be attributed to Obama and what cannot be — who inherited the economy from a “deficits don’t matter” administration). Same people are excited about a con-man promising 1.0T infrastructure spending to go with historic tax cuts (most of them for the rich).

    We’ll see how the chips fall — I am inclined to believe it will be the same type of rage for the next four years: “The S&P is up 50% in last four years, salaries are up 1.3x, and inflation is mild, but we are worse off than North Korea because my tax rate went up 3% to cover health care and college education for some poor people. How we wish to have a tax cut to go with a war of choice that was forced by evil Hillary upon our great Dubya and Cheney”.

  86. Grim says:

    You are really just making shit up.

  87. 3b says:

    Flee speaking to my immigrant parents and many others I am sure. They came here legally. They expected nothing but the opportunity to work. They only got what they worked for. There was no specific rights or privileges given to them. They believed living in this country was a privilege. That grasshopper is the difference.

  88. Fabius Maximus says:

    Grim,

    Hypocrites?, that takes some stones. As the piece says “Shortly after the election, a federal judge threw out the new indictment because it violated the five-year statute of limitations”. Not that the allegations were disproven.

    Lets take a moment to reflect on Saint Ronnie, GWHB and Iran Contra. 138 members of the administration, investigated for official misconduct and/or criminal violations with 21 convicted.
    And the icing on the cake GWHB whips out the Pardon Pen. Yes Hypocrisy indeed.

  89. joyce says:

    LOL, you’re so retarded. Yes, I choose that word merely cause it bothers you.

    “Not that the allegations were disproven.”

    I guess since Hillary wasn’t tried and found not guilty, none of the allegations against her were disproven.

    But let’s get back to your comment. Grim is clearly calling hypocritical the faux outrage by some of Comey’s timing based on that example. Anyone who knows what the definition is of that word would agree.

  90. joyce says:

    I guess you’ll admit it was hypocritical and you were wrong [I’m trying not to laugh as I keep writing] if in the future either (1) people are convicted in relation to these current investigations or (2) they are indictments thrown out for technical reasons.

  91. Fabius Maximus says:

    Flee is totally on point here.

    Here’s a few points to note, if your pulling six figures AGI on your tax return, you’re rich. Congratulations, there are many on this board that hit that mark, and Flees points aimed at you ring so true.

    Yes, there has been a lot of HIB bashing in here for the last load of years. They are here legally, they are earning and paying taxes, deal with it.

    “speaking to my immigrant parents and many others I am sure. They came here legally.” What the fcuk are you smoking? You pick ANY immigrant community and you have a flood of illegals. You don’t see, you’re not looking!
    What you do miss, is that, first generation immigrants do not kick out the ladder for those that follow.

    And to those that say “my immigrant parents and how I worked so hard!”. Cry me a river. If you want to p1ss up that will, I’ll be on the top of it p1ssing down on you.

  92. Fabius Maximus says:

    On a positive note, I drove into Times Square tonight and actually found a parking space outside the M&M store. I was taking my kids to bow down the corporate god of “Mooby the Golden Calf” What a bad father I am.

  93. Fabius Maximus says:

    Joyce,

    “I guess since Hillary wasn’t tried and found not guilty, none of the allegations against her were disproven.”

    If they actually issue an indictment and she walks on a technicality, they yes, you can make that comparison. Until then, you’re blowing in the wind.

    Note, the Special Prosecutor, indicted GWHB. There’s a bit of a difference.

  94. joyce says:

    No, he didn’t. But I don’t expect you to read AND comprehend.

    …the indictment made by special prosecutor Lawrence Walsh against former Reagan-era Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger the weekend before the 1992 election…

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/flashback-clinton-cheered-11th-hour-indictment-that-doomed-bush-reelection/article/2606000

  95. Flee? says:

    3b,

    They came here legally. They expected nothing but the opportunity to work. They only got what they worked for. There was no specific rights or privileges given to them. They believed living in this country was a privilege.

    As opposed to…? Are you playing your patriotism (or your parents’ patriotism) is bigger than mine? When one is willing to let go of everything one believes in for a 3% tax cut, fake patriotism is the only refuge left.

    Tell me the ways the people that subscribed to the “kick all h1bs out” campaign respect their parents’ legacy? Legal immigration – check; nothing but opportunity to work – check; only got what they worked for – check (in fact, sometimes lower because intermediate low-lifes take their cut, sometimes more because the anti-immigrant groups vote for tax cuts on higher incomes and investment incomes); no specific privileges or rights – yeah, the new immigrants get special privileges (they get the Trump privilege of grabbing any cat they like); believed living in this country was a privilege – what do you think?

    I am more than thankful for what I have, and I am also happy for many friends of mine that are much wealthier. I believe my taxes are more than reasonable (with wiggle room to go up), and believe more progressive taxation is a good thing. The deck is stacked in favor of people that already have money (I benefited a lot from the stock market gains over the last seven years; a simple portfolio of mostly SPY with almost all deposits after buying the house in 2009). Providing reasonable health care and education free or low-cost are things I strongly support, and if taxes on dividends and cap-gains go up, or if marginal rates go up, it is probably a good thing.

  96. Fabius Maximus says:

    And one of the biggest points made her by Flee.

    Eight years ago all I heard over and over was “Yes, but we know Bush was a bad president”. Fast forward and I hear it again. “We know Trump is a bad candidate”

    You know what, you don’t like the Blue pill, congratulations you own the Red one.

    And all this talk of; “I wish there was a third option.” There isn’t one and there is not going to be. So stop your pointless moaning and pick your poison.

    Red or Blue?

  97. Fabius Maximus says:

    Joyce,

    I’ll leave you with this.

    “Following is a statement by the independent counsel, Lawrence E. Walsh, regarding pardons granted today by President Bush.
    President Bush’s pardon of Caspar Weinberger and other Iran-contra defendants undermines the principle that no man is above the law. It demonstrates that powerful people with powerful allies can commit serious crimes in high office — deliberately abusing the public trust without consequence.

    Weinberger, who faced four felony charges, deserved to be tried by a jury of citizens. Although it is the President’s prerogative to grant pardons, it is every American’s right that the criminal justice system be administered fairly, regardless of a person’s rank and connections.

    The Iran-contra cover-up, which has continued for more than six years, has now been completed with the pardon of Caspar Weinberger. We will make a full report on our findings to Congress and the public describing the details and extent of this cover-up.

    Weinberger’s early and deliberate decision to conceal and withhold extensive contemporaneous notes of the Iran-contra matter radically altered the official investigations and possibly forestalled timely impeachment proceedings against President Reagan and other officials. Weinberger’s notes contain evidence of a conspiracy among the highest-ranking Reagan Administration officials to lie to Congress and the American public. Because the notes were withheld from investigators for years, many of the leads were impossible to follow, key witnesses had purportedly forgotten what was said and done, and statutes of limitation had expired.

    Weinberger’s concealment of notes is part of a disturbing pattern of deception and obstruction that permeated the highest levels of the Reagan and Bush Administrations. This office was informed only within the past two weeks, on December 11, 1992, that President Bush had failed to produce to investigators his own highly relevant contemporaneous notes, despite repeated requests for such documents. The production of these notes is still ongoing and will lead to appropriate action. In light of President Bush’s own misconduct, we are gravely concerned about his decision to pardon others who lied to Congress and obstructed official investigations.”

  98. joyce says:

    Fabius,

    I read, and read again, and didn’t find where the special prosecutor indicted GHWB. Does that mean… you. were. wrong?

    Do you think I approve of the shameful abuse of his pardon authority? Examples like that are why I think that ability should be removed from presidents and governers.

  99. joyce says:

    Flee,

    Can you tell me where you’re finding examples of this “When one is willing to let go of everything one believes in for a 3% tax cut…”?

  100. joyce says:

    This is some of the most moronic commentary ever.

    _________

    “You know what, you don’t like the Blue pill, congratulations you own the Red one.

    And all this talk of; “I wish there was a third option.” There isn’t one and there is not going to be. So stop your pointless moaning and pick your poison.

    Red or Blue?”

  101. joyce says:

    “The deck is stacked in favor of people that already have money …”

    Yes, it is. It is stacked in favor of those that already have money and/or connections to powerful people. Why don’t we aim to reverse this the main (whole?) part of the problem? More progressive taxation will only exacerbate the problem.

  102. Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:

    Clot,

    Yes, I’ll take action, even though I still owe a six of Sam to someone whose sock has undergone some changes (but I have him on LinkedIn)

    I’ve seen nothing to convince me that Clinton loses. The political machines won’t let that happen.

  103. Tywin says:

    It’s embarrassing to see people try and defend HRC’s deliberate actions to bypass the Federal Records Act, and also torpedo any Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests by historians or journalists.

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