A manufacturing mecca again?

From the Star Ledger:

How manufacturing jobs will come back to N.J.

Is New Jersey’s manufacturing era forever behind us?

Are the days when ceramics, glove molds, sinks and legendary Lenox china poured out of Trenton’s factories gone for good? When textiles, firearms and silk helped make Paterson a teeming metropolis? When naval submarines roared off assembly lines day and night in Elizabeth?

Not according to members of a new “manufacturing caucus.”

A bipartisan panel of state legislators is looking to technology to inject new life into what was once a defining portion of the Garden State’s economy – and still is a force to be reckoned with.

During the last century, half the state’s jobs were in manufacturing. And despite a decline over the last decades, the industry is still bringing in $40 billion, employing some 360,000 people in more than 10,000 companies.

The fledgling caucus believes those numbers can and should be even higher. And one way to start, the lawmakers suggest, is by ramping up the state’s vocational-technical training.

While she welcomed news of a possible new state bond issue to provide for more vo-tech learning, she also lamented the fact that too many people continue to look down their noses at those who pursue this path, rather than opting for a college-prep education.

“Truth be told, there is still a stigma,” Savage acknowledged.

And yet, as another meeting speaker pointed out, manufacturing jobs offer an average annual salary of more than $90,000 – way better than the state’s median household income.

That’s reassuring news in a state that’s still struggling to shake off the effects of the Recession of 2008.

Shoring up the state’s training programs is just one strategy to make manufacturing king again. Transportation infrastructure also is a big component, as is a penetrating look at both regulations and tax structures.

This entry was posted in Economics, Employment, New Jersey Real Estate, Politics. Bookmark the permalink.

110 Responses to A manufacturing mecca again?

  1. grim says:

    This is an impossibility as long as NJ’s Zoning/Planning Boards are firmly against Industrial uses in NJ. Master plans were all re-written to shift away from large-scale industrial use and manufacturing. Unless this changes and industrial users are permitted to operate, we stand no chance at regaining any manufacturing at scale.

  2. grim says:

    Just a few days ago I read an article about someone buying a home next to a factory, and then suing the factory because they made noise.

  3. D-FENS says:

    Maybe NW or South Jersey are more manufacturer friendly?

  4. Grim says:

    Can you build a new manufacturing plant in any of the Highland Act areas? I would assume either outright no, or that the legal burdens would make it nearly impossible.

  5. D-FENS says:

    Not all towns in NW or West NJ are restricted by the Highlands act.

  6. Walking bye says:

    Manufacturing in NI is not going to happen. Too many seniors sitting around all day with nothing to complain about. Worked at an industrial complex next to a 55 and over apt building. All day non stop complaints about truck traffic, working hours, chemicals stored on site etc. What Seniors want is nice office or medical buildings which as discussed here we don’t need any more office bldgs in the burbs.

  7. Ottoman says:

    You must have been drinking the reactionary right wing koolaid when the highland act was created. Less than half of the Highlands region are subject to any extra regulations because of the act, and that’s mostly mountains. There are entire swathes of development ready land in the Highlands. Most notably is Route 57 from Phillipsburg to Hackettstown which is already home to lots of small and medium scale manufacturing and has easy access to Route 78, and still has lots of open space. There’s also the enormous, and empty, Ingersoll Rand site in Phillipsburg right on 78.

    Grim says:
    October 2, 2017 at 8:27 am
    Can you build a new manufacturing plant in any of the Highland Act areas? I would assume either outright no, or that the legal burdens would make it nearly impossible.

  8. Ottoman says:

    Your anecdote is compelling. However, in a state where people choose homes with decks overlooking major highways, its not such a big deal except in already established towns like maybe Short Hills, Summit and Chatham. And even then, you’ve got million dollar homes overlooking the train and route 24. And take a drive over the border to the Lehigh Valley in PA and look at all the new construction directly on Routes 78 and 22 and especially in the warehouse/distribution Mecca just west of Allentown—over by the new Whole Foods.

    Walking bye says:
    October 2, 2017 at 8:57 am
    Manufacturing in NI is not going to happen. Too many seniors sitting around all day with nothing to complain about. Worked at an industrial complex next to a 55 and over apt building. All day non stop complaints about truck traffic, working hours, chemicals stored on site etc. What Seniors want is nice office or medical buildings which as discussed here we don’t need any more office bldgs in the burbs.

  9. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I’m reminded of the battle between the owner of Sriracha and Irwindale, CA. They enticed him to build his 60 million dollar factory there and then declared him a public nuisance due to “odors”. Meanwhile, apparently the factory has become a hot tourist destination. I guess they don’t mind the odors.

  10. 3b says:

    Million dollar homes built overlooking highways don’t stay million dollar homes.

  11. JJ fanboy says:

    3b

    The first million is hard work, the next inedible

  12. Walking bye says:

    Never underestimate the power of seniors. In my case they chased the company out of the state and even after the company resettled in Texas, they went on to notify the towns residents, environmental groups etc.

    Highways are one thing as you can’t fight the federal govt. a company is another.

    Whatever happened to raceway park? Million dollar homes built next to a drag strip only to have residents shut it down if intember correctly.

  13. leftwing says:

    “Million dollar homes built overlooking highways don’t stay million dollar homes.”

    Yeah, they turn into $1.3m split levels lol.

    https://www.zillow.com/homes/recently_sold/38680357_zpid/globalrelevanceex_sort/40.733913,-74.345277,40.725831,-74.35681_rect/16_zm/

  14. Comrade Nom Deplume, whose sole regret is that he isn't Tom Brady says:

    I’m surprised that footrest, Gluteus and Moana haven’t hijacked this thread yet.

    As usual, lots of questions but few answers from Nevada. Hot Air seems to be staying the most current with salient facts though none yet that show motive.

  15. Comrade Nom Deplume, whose sole regret is that he isn't Tom Brady says:

    Grim at 8:18:

    The “coming to the nuisance” doctrine has fallen out of use, much to my chagrin.

    If conservatives were serious about being conservatives, they’d put teeth back into the Takings Clause. That would cure a great many ills.

  16. leftwing says:

    What does it mean when something just evaporates when trying to post? No ‘in moderation’ note or anything?

    Stu, was trying to get you some stuff on hockey……

  17. leftwing says:

    Sympathies for Nevada of course.

    Trump is a circus, but it is entirely worth it so that I don’t have to watch Big Ears’s false tears and opportunistic earnestness to drive his politics when these horrible events occur. The speech he gave in CT as Sandy Hook was unfolding was disgraceful in its open political agenda as children were dying.

  18. Steamturd supporting the Canklephate says:

    My guess as to why the DNC hasn’t used Vegas shooting against Trump is that the shooter was probably a registered Democrat. I mean, it’s been 12 hours already. What’s the hold-up?

  19. Steamturd supporting the Canklephate says:

    left wing. Did you use the word c0ach?

  20. leftwing says:

    Ha. Is that it? Will try again.

  21. Fast Eddie says:

    Steamturd,

    A few sites have stated in their headline that he was a white male.

    Mission accomplished.

  22. leftwing says:

    Stu, from your comment a few days back. Here are some stream of consciousness points on NJ youth hockey as you may advance your boy. I’ve been knee deep in the sport forever and shoulder deep here for a decade.

    Don’t believe anything anyone in an organization tells you, especially hockey directors. If NJ youth hockey were held to the same consumer protections as used car dealers most affiliated with it would be 1ncarcerated.

    Major junior is not a real pathway for Americans to college.

    D1 scholarship path for many locals, especially those not currently on the radar, has moved to NE Prep, Founders or best of rest. Don’t do any Prep just for hockey, there are some bad programs even up there.

    If you are paying money to play it is not Juniors. No matter what anyone says. Local T3 juniors is perhaps where USAH is most negligent in turning a blind eye to real abuses of family trust.

    Your player needs a sponsor, especially coming from a non-traditional state like NJ. It is not the paid family adviser, and he needs to know what he is doing.

    Before looking D3 check the school quality. Outside of the ten NESCAC and a handful of others (Babson, etc) do you really want your child there academically? Same could be said for a good swathe of D1. If your kid doesn’t hit the lottery of the NHL, what in the heck do you do with a degree from St Cloud State, Bemiedji State, or North Dakota?

    Anyone seriously looking to hockey for a D1 opportunity would be better off 529ing the tuition or taking up lax, crew, or fencing. Unlike football, there only 60 programs taking 25 players each. Walk through the math, including a freshman class three birth years wide and 50% of slots going to foreigners (Canadians). Is your kid one of the top 75 players in the US for his birth year? Remember also that by definition the majority of top US players come from MN, MA, and a couple other traditional (winter) geographies.

    I know well about a eight or so families whose children are currently playing D1 hockey or have commits. One who just had a spin through NHL training camp before heading back to school. (BTW, none did the T3 Junior route). One of my sons’ c0aches comes from an excellent, traditional c0aching background and has put more than a few local kids on some top New England school rosters (including a sophomore playing varsity now on one of the best). I had the privilege of watching my youngest compete last year at Nationals.

    It’s all good, just know what your endpoint is and remember there are a lot snake oil salesmen out there, particularly when they get $8k a head.

  23. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    The majority US gun violence would be eliminated from the landscape if we could just keep guns out of the hands of Democrat supporters and sympathizers.

    Country Music = hate speech = violence, so violence is the appropriate preemptive solution to country music.

    I’m surprised that footrest, Gluteus and Moana haven’t hijacked this thread yet.

    As usual, lots of questions but few answers from Nevada. Hot Air seems to be staying the most current with salient facts though none yet that show motive.

  24. D-FENS says:

    ISIS has claimed they converted the shooter to Islam months ago. could be BS of course.

    @jenanmoussa
    Following
    More
    1- This is strange. ISIS just claimed Las Vegas attack. Arabic statement says shooter converted to Islam months ago.

    @jenanmoussa
    2- I can confirm that the ISIS statement appeared on ISIS affiliated Amaq news agency. No evidence to back up claim. @akhbar

  25. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    We should start profiling white 64 year old accountants then. My bet is that Hillary is putting out the ISIS misinformation.

    ISIS has claimed they converted the shooter to Islam months ago. could be BS of course.

  26. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Another white shooter in his mid-60’s. Not ISIS, just another weak-minded, fake news addicted liberal.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/14/homepage2/james-hodgkinson-profile/index.html

  27. Fast Eddie says:

    WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. manufacturing activity shrugged off a series of hurricanes and rose to the highest level in 13 years last month.

    The Institute for Supply Management said its manufacturing index rose to 60.8 from 58.8 in August, the highest reading since May 2004. Anything above 50 signals that manufacturers are growing, and the ISM survey shows they’ve been on a 13-month winning streak.

    New orders, production, hiring and new export orders all grew faster in September.

    Seventeen of 18 manufacturing industries reported growth, led by textile mills and machinery. Only one industry — furniture manufacturing — contracted last month.

    Some industries reported that Hurricanes Harvey and Irma had disrupted supplies and driven up costs. But overall the manufacturing sector continues to look very strong.

    — Thank you, President Trump!

  28. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Still tone-deaf as ever. She is such a stupid cunt.

    @HillaryClinton
    The crowd fled at the sound of gunshots.

    Imagine the deaths if the shooter had a silencer, which the NRA wants to make easier to get.

  29. Steamturd supporting the Canklephate says:

    Left Wing. We have a lot of time and development to get there. Realistically, he probably won’t be a scholarship athlete for no better reason than that I want him to do better in school than in hockey. I was gently scolded when I held him from practice last Wednesday as he had too much homework. It’s bad enough that he was forced to miss a Friday school day a week ago for that Rochester Tourney. I am not that dad who sends his kid to every clinic and camp there is. I do spend a lot of time with him in the driveway though. One thing I will never do is push him to do something he doesn’t want to do. These are not the qualities of a division one seeking parent. Where my kid excels is his sports IQ. He is mature beyond his years and every c0ach he’s ever had has said that he will be a captain or c0ach wherever he goes.

    What annoys me to no end is the lack of discipline that too many of his teammates show. His team tied a weak club on Sunday. They technically have lost a game this year in that they always double or triple or even quadruple the shots on goal versus the opposite team. What they’ve done three times already is to try to beat themselves. There are three kids who can not control their emotion on the ice. Four, if you include the c0aches son, the goalie, but at least he doesn’t commit penalties. He just acts like a baby after every goal he lets in. Blaming the defense, the refs, and swinging his stick at the goal, and the boards, and the ice, etc. It’s friggin’ embarrassing. His dad is the classic Montclair parent in that he does not believe in disciplining children for it might stifle his god-given creativity. It’s a shame too, because he’s a heck of a c0ach in that he really knows his game (played pro in Germany) and is tough on the kids who can handle it (like my son). He just does not have it in him to be tough on his own. This is the kid who threw out his Silver medal in Placid and refused to shake hands with like three other kids from our club. If that was my kid, that would have been his last game of hockey ever on my dime. Well, continuing on with the issue. Every single time the opponent is either up by one, tied with us, or we are down by one. These same three kids do a combination of the same things. They try to win it by themselves and often give up odd man rushes. When they fail carrying the puck solo through the fourth guy, they trip him. They have complete disregard for the score and Forest Gumplike sports IQ. For example, when you are up by one and on the penalty kill, you do not pinch offensively. Every penalty these boys take are in the offensive zone. And many are just truly viscous. Like they are in UFC and not playing hockey. There is not a team (at least in NJ north) that should beat us. We have that much talent. We just have three or four players who are absolutely clueless. They play their buns off, but for some reason, they can’t handle it if someone poke checks the puck away from them. I deal with this by just paying attention to my own kids and his personal development and really trying not to worry about the wins and the losses. But it is incredibly frustrating to him as well me. Even if he says something to his teammates tactfully, they are such babies that they deny it or blame the call on the refs and not their actions and just do it again. And of course, the c0aches don’t want any of the players giving advice to other players. So my question is, how do you get away from it? From the parents of tier 1 kids, I hear the same thing is present if not worse in tier 1. I swear, if my other kid wasn’t so sick, I’d be c0aching my son’s team and disciplining the sh1t out of the sh1t for brained players. Any advice here? It’s a complete turn-off to my son who is so focused on his plus/minus. Worst of all, when I see the same kid try to lose the game for the third game in a row, I utter, how the hell can he continue to do that and the parents all hear it. It’s really hard to bite your tongue among the utter stupidity.

  30. Juice Box says:

    Stopped by a garage sale yesterday in our development. Owner is “selling” all of his junky furniture that belongs in a dump because Good Will would not even take it. The owner lived 40+ years in home and is now headed to a retirement community down by LBI. The house still has all aluminum wiring. All offers so far have been contingent upon replacement of wiring etc. The house is worth about $525k with some updates and cheapo owner won’t toss in the money to replace the wiring. The first sale fell through after inspection and he now has another offer contingent upon an electrician willing to sign off on aluminum wiring. I told him with multiple offers he would be better off replacing wiring and raising his ask the difference since he won’t find an electrician willing to risk his business over it. He did not agree and he says he will find an electrician. I have my doubts that house will close anytime soon.

  31. Steamturd supporting the Canklephate says:

    Juice…that house will be sold by his estate. No sooner.

  32. Juice Box says:

    Interesting news from school this week. One child offered another one money to jump off top of monkey bars. Kid did it and broke arm in two places. Kid’s parent is an ambulance chaser extraordinaire, so I am pretty sure the lawsuit is already filed.

  33. Steamturd supporting the Canklephate says:

    Who do you sue?

    The school, the kid’s family, the monkey bar manufacturer, the aide, the surface manufacturer. Am I missing anyone?

  34. Juice Box says:

    Steam – I agree probably feet first. I did not ask but I later assumed he was a bean counter in his career. He had two old Tonka trucks for sale that my youngest son barely looked at then the owner claimed they were collectibles were worth $70 a piece.

    Just as a goof I looked it up, not even a fat chance worth anywhere near that.

  35. Steamturd supporting the Canklephate says:

    Anytime anyone mentions the word collectible, you MUST run.

  36. Juice Box says:

    re: “Who do you sue?”

    First question to my kid was where were you exactly when this happened, thankfully my kid was elsewhere at the time.

  37. Comrade Nom Deplorable, surfacing for air says:

    “Who do you sue?

    The school, the kid’s family, the monkey bar manufacturer, the aide, the surface manufacturer. Am I missing anyone?”

    The contractor who installed the playground and/or surface; the administrators, teachers and custodians individually; the parents of the other kids present; and all of the insurers of any of the above.

  38. Steamturd supporting the Canklephate says:

    I went through something like this when I was 14. My bicycle was locked to a sign post in front of the Burger King I was employed at. An elderly teacher somehow walked into it, hairline fractured her elbow and claimed she couldn’t teach for two years. Sued BK owner for 500K. Don’t know what she got from BK but she did get 50K from my parent’s homeowner’s insurance who also sued BK. See how much I learned there? I also learned how to properly perform in deposition up in Hackensack of all places (BK was in Middlesex County). Learned first hand that you really don’t have to work in this country to get paid. I’m pretty sure this incident triggered my brother into become an ambulance chaser. He is very happy he did.

  39. Buy Essay says:

    Click This Link custom essay writing custom essay [url=https://writemyessay.us.com]HTTPS://WRITEMYESSAY.US.COM/[/url]

  40. abeiz says:

    Took an Uber to LGA early morning. Paramus based Uber guy buys flipped houses in TN and “cashflows” them to the tune of $200-300 per month. Has seven, aspires to own forty.

    Lookin’ frothy out there.

  41. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    One time, a guy in our neighborhood had like a 10 foot black mulch pile dumped out in the street. No lighting. My brother accidentally rode up it and launched himself (probably going 35 like an idiot). Flipped over and broke his collar bone. When he found out, he came over to make sure he was ok and that we didn’t plan to sue. Never did.

    A year later, his daughter trips on the sidewalk and breaks a tooth in the neighbors drive on her way home to the bus stop. He filed suit in less than a week.

    Another story. I was over my friends house in high school and his dog bit me on the arm and tore my shirt. I wanted the father, who was an ambulance chasing lawyer to give me the $15 bucks to get the same shirt and he outright refused. Not soon after, as a lawyer, he’s got the back cover ad on all the phone books in Monmouth County. One of the things he listed that he sues for is dog bites. Next time I was over I called him out on it. Still refused to give me the $15. Friend was annoyed with him and generally hated him so he was on my side. The guy loved eating avocados raw with a spoon everyday when he got him. Back in the 90s, avocados would last about 2 minutes in the air without going brown. Whenever nobody was looking, I would pierce the thing and it would go brown when he opened it. Had to have cost him at least $100 easily.

  42. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Learned first hand that you really don’t have to work in this country to get paid. I’m pretty sure this incident triggered my brother into become an ambulance chaser. He is very happy he did.

    My mom went to the hospital last time she was hit from behind in hopes of a payday. Forced the cops to basically impound the car to Trenton. Getting it back was an awful experience and she got nothing because she wasn’t hurt at all.

  43. leftwing says:

    “Still tone-deaf as ever. She is such a stupid cunt.”

    Just what I said about Big Ears. Politicizing tragedy. What did it take, less than eight hours? And she doesn’t even have a real podium.

    God, I’m soooo happy she is not in office.

  44. leftwing says:

    And, btw, how can c**t pass the filters but c0ach not? LOL.

  45. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    You probably have to be around my age to remember this. When I was a kid and I had those occasional sick days where your Mom let you watch TV and drink ginger ale all day:

    TV commercials were completely different during the day. The majority of commercials seemed to be targeted at skills training for the unemployed. You could learn to be a commercial truck driver, an HVAC repair guy, a car mechanic, work in a doctor’s office (ladies only), etc. This made sense, the demographics were probably the same as today – people watching TV at noon on a Tuesday were more likely to be unemployed and in search of income.

    Today I think the demographic may be the same, but the commercials are all about how you can get paid by suing someone. People still need money, but they don’t want to loser their transfer payments. It’s just not worth getting off the couch.

    Learned first hand that you really don’t have to work in this country to get paid.

  46. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Avocado trick – leave them out until they get to the ripeness you want. If you’re not ready use them yet put them in the fridge and they’ll stay at the same ripeness for a week or 10 days.

  47. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Like straight 30 weight oil viscous? ;-)

    And many are just truly viscous.

  48. leftwing says:

    Stu, best answer I can come up with is find the best c0ach you can with the highest level players under him in an organization that supports him.

    Seems you like your c0ach, but regardless of background he is not a good c0ach if he allows the stuff you mention, especially the selfish play and attitude. The c0ach has the ability to stop it dead in its tracks. If kids – especially kids playing as you say – understand one thing it is ice time. C0ach controls it, absolutely. I get the young age we are dealing with and the sensitivities of Tier 2 to shortening the bench. However, I am not suggesting benching them to win, but to teach them to listen. It’s really not that hard. It has to be important to the c0ach, he needs to do it in an effective manner, and the club needs to support him. He’s not a good c0ach if he doesn’t see it or won’t address it.

    My youngest has never had a parent c0ach. I pulled my oldest from our long time club in PW because of same and moved to a place without parent c0aches because of exactly these issues.

    Tier 1 parents and kids can be bad, but from a different perspective. If you are trying to solve hockey IQ/team play/attitude issues a good Tier 1 c0ach and team may be the answer. You can face a different raft of issues but solo play, not listening, and poor attitude is generally not tolerated. Everyone has too much extra invested ($ and time) to allow it. T1 is not a panacea. There are many bad programs/teams and those parents who are aggressive letter shoppers drive me nuts. But your best chance of getting a serious c0ach, team, and teammates is likely there.

    If you stick T2, have you looked at the Bandits? They always seemed to have their act together re: these issues. Not sure if they’ve changed as they have started emphasizing Hitmen at younger ages now but may be worth a look and nearby enough.

  49. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    My younger daughter is the perfect competing athlete any parent would want. She just loves, loves, loves tot compete…but doesn’t react any differently if she wins or loses. She has like a closing pitcher’s mentality, she doesn’t even remember what happened yesterday. But she competes in everything. Everything. When she goes to soccer practice or games she competes in three personal tournaments. She wants to be the first one to practice. She wants to play her best. She wants to be the first one to leave. She plays hard with a continual smile on her face, even as she gets shoved hard by larger competitors. I’ll ask her if someone shoved her hard and she always answers, “I don’t know.”

  50. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    That same daughter used to get on the school bus in the afternoon with a pencil in her hand, competing to see if she can finish all of her homework before she got home. When she was little she would cry if she forgot something at school she needed to her homework. She will voluntarily miss practice if she can’t get her homework done first. She didn’t get any of these traits from my wife or I. She just came that way. The other day we told her that there was a possibility that neither of us would be home when she got home from school. She called us when she got off the bus a couple blocks away. She called my wife, who was in the car with me, a couple blocks away in the other direction. My wife told her where we were and that we would probably get home at the same time as her. When we came down the street from the other end we saw our daughter in full sprint trying to beat us home. I gunned the engine so she could hear it but she still beat us.

  51. leftwing says:

    Ex, love the attitude.

    Can’t teach that.

  52. Libturd sporting Tiger Wood says:

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/giant-flaw-trumps-tax-plan-162336794.html

    Wonky but interesting. Still think tax reform doesn’t pass with the property tax deduction removed. I could see it passing without it though. The rich will take whatever they can, deficit be damned.

  53. Libturd sporting Tiger Wood says:

    Any fashion company that would go by the name Cunt, probably would not sell very well.

  54. Libturd sporting Tiger Wood says:

    Left…which is why we are probably headed there, but will have to endure the snowflake mentality for another year or two first. Hitmen are not the real deal yet. AYHL is the true AAA of this region. Have a close friend and budding GR super star in Zach Gold who played on a Hitmen 12U team last year. He’s a year up on Gator Jr. His dad left Blues over the same thing I’m complaining about. His team did quite well in division but got destroyed out of division. They play in a newer division made up of lot’s of new AAA programs all which can’t compete with the likes of real AAA in the AYHL. Maybe in a few years, but not quite yet. Their minor AAA teams are the worst money grabs I’ve ever seen. They’ll take anyone willing to pay. Strange how many parents will waste that much time and money to such a stupid cause. Then again, I know a lot of people still putting pavers down instead of cement or asphalt for their driveways. In 10 years, everyone is going to have a nice bumpy, weedy lawn to park on. If they are lucky, some hick might be interested in buying it. For now, my son is fine where he is. If he continues to develop, I’ll make the jump. His maturity and c0achability can get him on a lot of good teams. We’ll probably shoot for Devils AAA 2nd year Bantam and take it from there.

  55. D-FENS says:

    http://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/2017/10/02/las-vegas-shooters-father-most-wanted-list/723539001/

    Las Vegas shooter’s father was on FBI’s 10 most wanted list in 1968

  56. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    How retarded is even CNBC these days?

    What you should do, in order of priority and availability, when confronted by an active shooter:
    i
    1. RUN
    2. HIDE
    3. FIGHT

    There were some examples of each. For example, when it comes to FIGHT, Throw large objects.

    I wonder if we are closer to the CDC recognizing TDS as a spreading epidemic.

    TDS = Trump Derangement Syndrome

  57. JJ fanboy says:

    Expat,

    Stories like that were a contributing factor to us cutting the cord this summer. Plus we mostly watched stuff on demand anyway.

    I am now spending that cable savings on Hulu and subscribing to both mystery and lucky tackle box and dropping the rest on outdoor activities

  58. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    JJf – I like everything about cord-cutting and our kids watch absolutely *zero* except for Netflix, even on our family room TV. I know they watch nothing because if I switch to cable on Monday it is still on CNBC.

    If I put a slingbox somewhere in the NY area that could transmit YES all the time to our home over the internet, there would be nobody in the house who would miss cable TV except me (football, soccer, F1, news channels). Wife is a huge Yankees/Yankeeography fan and that is as far as her fandom goes.

  59. 3b says:

    CBS Fires a VP who said the victims in Vegas were country music fans who mostly vote republican!! Yes here is the sophisticated compassionate liberals.

  60. JJ fanboy says:

    Expat

    I have a digital antenna on the main tv that is a 4K roku tv. The other ones have rokus. The digital doesn’t get cbs, but it does get the other major networks and all the local ones.

    Don’t miss cable at all.

    Amazing a 55″ 4K smart tv is only $400 now. Remember how expensive plasmas and other flat screens were when they first came out.

  61. 3b says:

    Juice Sorry too lazy to post it.

  62. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @ianbremmer

    Deadliest mass shootings in US since 1949:

    2017 Las Vegas, 50+ killed
    2016 Orlando, 49
    2007 VA Tech, 32
    2012 Sandy Hook, 27
    1991 Killeen, TX, 23
    1984 San Ysidro, CA, 21
    1966 UT Austin, 16
    1986 Edmond, OK 14
    2015 San Bernardino, 14
    *2009 Fort Hood, 13 (+5 others w/ 13 deaths)

  63. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @washingtonpost

    “I cannot express how wrong I was”: Country guitarist changes mind on gun control after Vegas

  64. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @emmettrensin

    We have reached a density of mass shootings where even pointing out that we aren’t going to do anything feels tired and oversaid.

  65. JJ fanboy says:

    3b,

    I was at an Apple Store last week. A progressive looking 20 something hipster who worked there kept referring to his female coworkers as girls. This was a guy in his 20’s, not one of those 60 year old retirees they keep at those stores to make the baby boomers feel comfortable.

    I’m sure he rants about microagressions and cultural appropriation in his spare time.

  66. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Rip Tom Petty…..true legend

  67. Juice Box says:

    Looks like they pulled the plug on Tom Petty.

    no brain activity…….

  68. exjersey says:

    Good Ol’ Tom ! Passed on seeing him at the HW Bowl last week. Liked their work a lot. Didn’t feel like dropping $1500 for 3 seats.

  69. leftwing says:

    Stu, your guy is an ’05?

  70. Libturd sporting Tiger Wood says:

    Hollywood Bowl is a lot like the Garden State Arts Center, only with a lot more fake breasts.

  71. Libturd sporting Tiger Wood says:

    Yeah…why? We gonna meet sometime?

  72. Libturd sporting Tiger Wood says:

    Well he’s Free. Free falling.

  73. Way Out West says:

    Stu that describes all of LA County.

  74. Way Out West says:

    4:28 thinking…..Blow. Anytime a rock star dies I think…..Blow.

  75. Way Out West says:

    Petty fronted what was arguably the best Bar Band in America. Ever.

  76. 3b says:

    Jj fan. That is why so called Liberals are bigger hypocrites than the values Apple pie so called conservatives. Flip side of the same coin. The liberals try to hide it.

  77. leftwing says:

    No, I have a U18 LOL.

    Looked at your team. Four dad c0aches for 14 kids…..Head C0ach can’t discipline any kid because his is one of the worst behaved and your only goalie..?

    Get away from the dad c0aches. Few and far between I’ve found some good ones – nearly all former D1 guys – but for the most part they leave a lot to be desired. They learned the game when there was literally no hockey knowledge in the State, and being there can be a matter of convenience, their kids are on the ice anyway. Plus there is usually free tuition or discount.

    At least with a non-parent the guy is committed – he doesn’t need to be at the rink when your kid is on the ice. It doesn’t guarantee he is good, but for compensation that works out to be not much more than minimum wage they have made the commitment.

    What do four c0aches even do on the ice/bench with a group of PWs? My guess at practice two of them are leaning on their sticks butts on boards chatting. Distraction and bad form for the kids right there.

  78. Libturd sporting Tiger Wood says:

    This country better learn to come to terms with terrorism. We’ve been very lucky to have to experience so little. And it really is time to put an end to assault weapons. These are not guns. If you want to shoot one, keep it in a locker at a gun range. There really is no reason for anyone to have one.

  79. abeiz says:

    I’m going to go make popcorn.

  80. Libturd sporting Tiger Wood says:

    Surprisingly, two c0aches c0ach and the other two open the doors on the bench. They are not even allowed in the locker room during the head c0aches pep talks or rants. Our c0ach needs no compensation. He’s a Wall Street hedge fund guy. The Second head c0ach is there because on occasion, like this weekend, the hedge fund guy can’t make it. We have an in on the Devil’s AAA team. We’ll probably take it next year or the following at the latest. I really wanted to wait two years, but AAA is rapidly becoming AA now and ruining AA in the process. All they are doing is making everyone pay double. It’s really a shame.

  81. leftwing says:

    Agree with you emphatically on the last statement.

    Unfortunately lands right on the doorstep of the two leagues. Not so recently they had a monopoly on T1 and T2. For better or worse, but there was limited entry.

    Now it is the wild west – USPHL, EJEPL, Independent, twice as many teams in the AY with expanded National and American levels, and twice as many (at least) AA teams in the NJ.

    I still have links to standings when my oldest was a PW, 2009. There were eight PWAA teams. With fewer AAA above them.

  82. chicagofinance says:

    SHOCKER OF THE YEAR

    Tesla badly missed its goal of building 1,500 Model 3 cars in the third quarter, the first sign that the production ramp-up for the new sedan isn’t going as smoothly as planned.
    The Silicon Valley electric-car maker built 260 of the Model 3s between July and September, the company said in a statement. In August, the auto maker predicted it would build more than 1,500 Model 3s before cranking up production to 5,000 a week by the end of the fourth quarter.

  83. Buy A Essay says:

    cheap essay writing service uk academic essay writer EssayWritingService [url=https://essaywritingservice.us.com]essay writing service toronto[/url]

  84. The Great Pumpkin says:

    She was making a point that Republicans are against gun control, since country music fans are usually all about their gun collection, she was simply pointing out that they had what’s coming. Don’t sit there and advocate for the right to bear arms, and then cry when a psycho lets loose with his guns on innocent people.

    3b says:
    October 2, 2017 at 3:10 pm
    CBS Fires a VP who said the victims in Vegas were country music fans who mostly vote republican!! Yes here is the sophisticated compassionate liberals.

  85. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Anyone that fights for the right to allow psychos to own guns, this blood is on your hands. Yes, they can find other means to carry out their sick fantasies, but guns just make it that much easier.

  86. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    I just ate half an avocado, mixed with a little bit of lemon juice (TRY IT!)

    I asked my wife if she had plans for the other half, and she did, for a recipe tomorrow.

    My favorite is when my wife makes this dish with chicken, caramelized onions on top, and guacamole on the side.

    At my age, I think having a non-cooking wife would be one of the worst things. I guess the kids might need a little bit of upkeep, but….

  87. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Country music has become very mainstream and you can’t identify someone’s political beliefs based on it. I’ve had years where 75 percent of my classes were fans

  88. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    I don’t even know how to express a deep, prolonged sigh. Let me give it a try:

    Pumpkin is such a loser…………

    Anyone that fights for the right to allow psychos to own guns, this blood is on your hands. Yes, they can find other means to carry out their sick fantasies, but guns just make it that much easier.

  89. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    ^^^^ I think I’ve adopted ghost writer, but that’s fine.

  90. 3b says:

    Pumps now I am officially calling you out just this once. You have made some stupid and shocking comments here but you have reached a new low. You should be ashamed of yourself you really should. A shocking little hypocrite.

  91. The Great Pumpkin says:

    If you advocate for gun ownership, how is this blood not on your hands? There are people that want to take away guns from these people, yet you attack and claim it is your right to own a gun.

  92. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Our society has no purpose for guns. This is not 200 years ago. Having a gun gives you zero chance of overthrowing a govt this day and age. It’s impossible. Even rocket man has a nuclear bomb and can’t do anything with it. So what exactly is the purpose of gun ownership? And don’t give me the lame excuse that criminals have them and you need to protect yourself. Make a law stating anyone caught with a gun is executed. Only purpose of a gun is to kill, if you want to kill, then be killed.

  93. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The only way you overthrow a govt today is through propaganda. Information is the most powerful weapon on earth now.

  94. 3b says:

    Go back to your patch. 58 people dead and you blame them.

  95. Way Out West says:

    Crazy Crazy Crazy dude. But Why? Why take out random strangers. His pops was apparently ‘Ill”….holy mackeral.

  96. Jameslew says:

    buy essay online buy essays online buy essays online [url=https://essayonline.us.com]pay for essay online[/url]

  97. Phoenix says:

    You have to be realistic about terrorism. Certain groups of people, certain groups, Muslim fundamentalists, Christian fundamentalists, Jewish fundamentalists, and just plain guys from Montanta, are going to continue to make life in this country very interesting for a long, long time.”
    — George Carlin

  98. Fabius Maximus says:

    Hey Gary, how loud you screaming “Lock her up!” on this
    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/02/jared-kushner-email-account-white-house-243389

  99. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Just answer this. What are the chances of this happening if guns were illegal?

    You have to give up certain freedoms for the greater good in order for our social contract to work. Right now, we have to give up our right to bear arms for the simple reason that we can’t risk allowing psychos to have access to this right. You can’t trust them, therefore we must all give up the right for the greater good.

    3b says:
    October 2, 2017 at 7:55 pm
    Go back to your patch. 58 people dead and you blame them.

  100. Fabius Maximus says:

    Where to start on this

    3B ” sophisticated compassionate liberals.”
    No plenty on the other side sacked for the same type of comments.

    “My guess as to why the DNC hasn’t used Vegas shooting against Trump is that the shooter was probably a registered Democrat.”
    This is where you want to go in this discussion?

    “I’m surprised that footrest, Gluteus and Moana haven’t hijacked this thread yet.
    As usual, lots of questions but few answers from Nevada. Hot Air seems to be staying the most current with salient facts though none yet that show motive.”

    So we really need motive, before we can have the actual real discussion. I’ll ask my question. “How do YOU propose stop this?” You know how I want to stop it, but that’s unacceptable to you as it will tread on your 2nd amendment privileges. So if my way is not the way forward, please show me the path! Please justify your AR.

  101. exjersey says:

    7:10 your bleating rings hollow snowflake.

  102. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Our society has no purpose for guns. This is not 200 years ago. Having a gun gives you zero chance of overthrowing a govt this day and age. It’s impossible. Even rocket man has a nuclear bomb and can’t do anything with it. So what exactly is the purpose of gun ownership? And don’t give me the lame excuse that criminals have them and you need to protect yourself. Make a law stating anyone caught with a gun is executed. Only purpose of a gun is to kill, if you want to kill, then be killed.

    How about protecting yourself from someone with a knife? Should we outlaw those too?

  103. homework charts how to write an essays essay writing service [url=https://essaywritingservices.us.com]info[/url]

  104. Fabius Maximus says:

    So where does this discussion go in here. I have had them all. From Black powder to Orlando and it all rings them same.
    Same guy standing at the window with a hand gun is not inflicting this much damage. 600 hit how many rounds discharged.

    How many of these do we have to go through before you 2nd ameneders admit there’s an actual issue.

    Ok, tell me about swimming pools again!

  105. Fabius Maximus says:

    How about protecting yourself from someone with a knife? Should we outlaw those too?

    How about deflecting the argument with a baseball bat does that fit?

  106. Fabius Maximus says:

    Amen , so endth the lesson.

    pic.twitter.com/zUJFboVe1f

  107. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    How about deflecting the argument with a baseball bat does that fit?

    Nope.

    That being said, I understand hunting rifles and handguns. I think any type of automatic weapon should be off limits. There’s a difference between banning all guns and reasonable proposed legislation.

  108. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Pumpkin has a gaping cunt. I saw some bats with mold on their nose flying in and out. Life on a highway, I guess.

Comments are closed.