Home Builders turn against tax plan

From the Washington Post:

Home builders raise a hammer, try to smash the GOP tax bill

The Republican effort to overhaul the tax code suffered a bruising setback over the weekend when a powerful corporate interest group came out against the proposal just days ahead of House leaders’ planned release of the legislation to the public.

President Donald Trump and GOP leaders are casting the measure as a once-in-a-generation rewrite of the federal tax code, one they say will stimulate the economy, create millions of jobs and give voters a reason to stick with their party in next year’s midterm elections. Rep. Kevin Brady, R-Texas, the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, is scheduled to reveal the House version of the bill on Wednesday.

A discouraging clue emerged for House Republicans on Saturday, when the National Association of Home Builders came out against the bill after Brady informed the group’s chief executive about key details.

“We will do everything we can to defeat this thing,” said Jerry Howard, chief executive officer of the National Association of Home Builders.

For Trump and House Speaker Paul D. Ryan, R-Wis., the stakes couldn’t be higher. With the approach of the end of their first year controlling the White House and Congress, and the failure of health-care legislation still fresh, Republicans are desperate to post a win before next year’s midterm election cycle begins in earnest. By many of their own accounts, failure to pass tax legislation could lead to an electoral bloodbath, and the end of Ryan’s political career, in 2018.

Much of the pressure, and spotlight, will fall on Brady. A bare-pated, unfailingly sunny former Chamber of Commerce executive who is largely unknown outside of Washington after 20 years on Capitol Hill, Brady’s challenge is to build consensus while fellow Republican lawmakers, corporate lobbyists and perhaps even Trump himself pick the bill apart.

Howard said home builders like other parts of the tax plan, such as tax cuts for businesses and lower rates for many families. But he feared that other changes could tip the housing industry into a recession. He was particularly concerned about ideas to eliminate the federal deduction for state and local taxes and doubling the standard deduction, which could remove incentives for all but the “very wealthy” to deduct their mortgage interest – and have a chilling effect on homeownership.

After Brady communicated that the changes would not be made, top NAHB officials held an emergency conference call on Saturday and agreed unanimously to oppose the bill after months of reserving judgment, a spokesman for the organization said. Now, the group is preparing a public campaign against the bill, with plans to mobilize members in congressional districts across the country.

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138 Responses to Home Builders turn against tax plan

  1. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @JoeNBC

    This last week has revealed those who have frantically put loyalty to Trump above America’s rule of law.

    A defining moment in US history.

  2. dentss says:

    LOL ….Trump is America’s rule of law ….

  3. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @kaivanShroff

    Pretty incredible that the level of corruption in the Trump Administration is so high that nobody can even guess who will be indicted first.

  4. grim says:

    Suspect the Realtors will come out hard against this as well.

  5. grim says:

    Christie had some good insight in the indictment. Basically said it is likely a lone actor and not someone in the Trump admin. He said generally when they snag a little fish to go after a big fish, it’s always kept secret. Once you go public, there is no more leverage available.

    I say it’s a Russian lawyer.

  6. Ottoman says:

    good thing Manafort isn’t a sleazy piece of sh!t. trumpkin has nothing to worry about. Snort.

  7. Juice Box says:

    I gather some career Prosecutor down in Washinton DC is miffed that Muller is stealing his fire since Muller cannot create fire on his own.

    Manafort was kicked to the curb by Trump last August when the NY Times reported he was being investigated. The Ukrainian police ( National Anti-Corruption Bureau) reported about $12.7 million in cash payments from the years 2007-2012 from former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych taken from some handwritten ledgers they kept. The FBI I gather was roped in and since Muller cannot find any Russian connection other than Russian Dressing on the dinner menu he got to eat from some one else’s plate.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/15/us/politics/paul-manafort-ukraine-donald-trump.html

  8. Libturd, AKA Dr. Howie Feltersnatch says:

    Grim – Article yesterday referred to Hank’s Hot Sauce out of Sea Isle City. It’s the best hot sauce I’ve ever head. Perfect balance between heat and flavor. Think Frank’s mixed with Tabasco.

    Village Idiot – Nice source for your tax article. An organization made up of ALL former politicians and non-profit execs, none who have ever worked a day in their lives. No bias there. It’s good to check both sides of the story, but the truth is always in the middle. Keep that in mind. Back to ignore.

    C3Po vs. Flab Max – I find both men equally culpable. I do think it’s worse to act on it then to brag about it, but that’s my opinion. As for ripping Hillary? Remember there was Flowers and others before there was Lewinsky. How anyone could applaud Hillary for standing by her man is simply denying one of two facts. Either Bill is a sex fiend. Or Hillary stuck with him for nothing more than political gain. For I know of not one single relationship, personally, or in the press, where multiple or even single cases of non-planned infidelity worked out afterwards. Sure, you can provide other cases of worse behaving former leaders, but this does not justify it in my book. And one can not ignore the difference between a sweet young intern and a secretary. Or are you okay with the behaviors displayed by Cosby and Weinstein because really, it was not that different.

  9. exJersey says:

    And they impeached Clinton….

  10. exJersey says:

    Or tried too.

  11. nwnj says:

    Whoop dee doo, so there was a completely irrelevant indictment filed. More fake news.

    Now let’s get back to the campaign disclosure law and bribery investigations.

  12. exJersey says:

    10:12 use the term Fake News again, i’ll stick a stogie into your orafice.

  13. Libturd, AKA Dr. Howie Feltersnatch says:

    Almost all news is “fake,” unless it’s not partisan.

  14. exJersey says:

    10:14 Surely….you jest.

  15. Libturd, AKA Dr. Howie Feltersnatch says:

    Don’t get saucy with me Bernaise!

  16. nwnj says:

    exjersey is nostalgic for the Clinton years. I guess those were the good times. He’s been trying to recapture them ever since.

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  18. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yup, just ignore the data because it doesn’t fit your cause.

    “source for your tax article. An organization made up of ALL former politicians and non-profit execs, none who have ever worked a day in their lives. No bias there. It’s good to check both sides of the story, but the truth is always in the middle. Keep that in mind. Back to ignore.” The

  19. leftwing says:

    Pumps, from yesterday, I’m with 3b. Keep me out of your posts. I haven’t replied to/referenced you in about a week and don’t plan to. Not even reading any of your posts going forward per Pete, who nailed it:

    “Also the fact that you engage almost daily with pumpkin despite the fact hes an obviously impaired individual lets me know alot about you. How many times have you said you were going to ignore him and you never did? Its quite pathetic. The only thing worse than the spit he spews is those who play along with it.”

    I’m done. Delete my name from your keyboard.

  20. leftwing says:

    Puzzy/Otto.

    That’s all you got? LOL. A three month employee charged for actions that occurred up to a decade earlier?

    Even Papadopolous is nailed for lying, not the underlying meetings.

    Wake me when something actually happens.

  21. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Of course when I kill your positions on nj taxes, it’s deflect and ignore. Says a lot.

  22. exJersey says:

    Tax Fraud. From the F$cking POTUS too good to show us his taxes.

  23. The Great Pumpkin says:

    And Pete still hasn’t provided and evidence to support his claim about me. Just attack the character without evidence.

  24. Fabius Maximus says:

    Lib

    Kathie Lee Gifford forgave Frank.

  25. Libturd, AKA Dr. Howie Feltersnatch says:

    “There’s one!”

  26. Fast Eddie says:

    LOL! This is the big indictment on Russian collusion!! LMAO!!

  27. 3b says:

    Left Pete put me in my place regarding that topic. Wrong on the rest of his criticism of me but right on that.

  28. 3b says:

    Libturd so true. I don’t watch the news anymore and I will be sitting out the governor s election. What’s the point?

  29. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Of course.

    3b says:
    October 30, 2017 at 11:56 am
    Left Pete put me in my place regarding that topic. Wrong on the rest of his criticism of me but right on that.

  30. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Love how Pete becomes a god to you guys, just because he puts down pumpkin. Love how you ignore how he puts you guys all down, but acknowledge him with praise for attacking my character.

  31. leftwing says:

    3b, agree.

    He’s off on the politics of this board. I think Trump is a freakshow too. Definitely not my guy. Problem is the other team was much worse. That says a lot about her, lol, losing on character to Trump. Book should have been “Hitting Bottom” not “What Happened”.

    Re: the other topic, glad Pete put it out there. Numbnuts already today teed himself up for about twenty skewers. Not taking the bait, and won’t going forward.

  32. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You guys really crack me up

  33. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I called this how long ago with the exact years it would come about. Not one person acknowledges it. Pathetic.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-30/missing-piece-of-global-growth-jigsaw-starts-to-fall-into-place

  34. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Another endorsement.

    “Who should be the next governor of New Jersey? That’s not even a close call. There is only one choice on the ballot next week who guarantees voters an end to the Chris Christie era, and that’s the Democratic candidate, Phil Murphy.”

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/29/opinion/editorials/phil-murphy-governor-jersey.html

  35. 3b says:

    Left : Agree all around. Liberals can’t and won’t admit Hillary was a disastrous candidate. An absolute embarrassment she lost to Trump. And yes just take a deep breath and move along.

  36. Libturd, AKA Dr. Howie Feltersnatch says:

    Pumpkin on ignore. Can we all just not respond going forward PLEASE.

  37. exJersey says:

    10:43 Nostalgia? Please. Look around you…

  38. exJersey says:

    12:44. Horrible candidate. Perhaps Why we are here now. Opened the door for this mess.

  39. exJersey says:

    12:22 he was pitying you not putting you down

  40. exJersey says:

    11:45 i doubt anyone but maybe imbeciles find this matter “funny”.

  41. 3b says:

    Ex jersey Agreed. That is why we are here.

  42. Libturd, AKA Dr. Howie Feltersnatch says:

    Without looking, anyone want to guess when was the last time the NY Times endorsed a non-Democrat for President? For extra credit, name the last time they endorsed a non-Democrat and the Democrat won! This one definitely has to make you think really hard.

  43. Libturd, AKA Dr. Howie Feltersnatch says:

    This is funny. D1ck’s Sporting Goods managed to create their own DOS attack. They announced a 40% off of any one item available in the store plus free shipping from 1 to 2pm today. Try to go to their URL. Oops!

  44. grab them by the hair pie says:

    @hairpie

    Pretty incredible that the level of corruption in the Trump Obama Administration is so high that nobody can even guess who will be should have been indicted first.

    Pretty incredible that the level of corruption in the Trump Administration is so high that nobody can even guess who will be indicted first.

  45. Juice Box says:

    Who else gets to visit the FBI offices in DC soon?

    “Democratic power lobbyist Tony Podesta, founder of the Podesta Group, is stepping down from the firm that bears his name after coming under investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller.

    Podesta announced his decision during a firm-wide meeting Monday morning and is alerting clients of his impending departure”

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/30/tony-podesta-stepping-down-from-lobbying-giant-amid-mueller-probe-244314

  46. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    LOL!!!

    Take notice of this little bit of Dem propaganda in the middle of this NBC piece:

    This was well before it was widely understood that Russia had hacked the Democrats, a fact first made public by a private cyber security firm in June.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-campaign-adviser-george-papadopoulos-pleads-guilty-lying-n815596

  47. 3b says:

    Murphy’s disturbing lack of focus on the tax burden which most NJ residents say is the number one problem. I think that says it all.

  48. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    I think the only (good) long term option for NJ is that it is somehow annexed by NY.

  49. leftwing says:

    From the Podesta article above. Ooops….lol

    “Podesta is handing over full operational and financial control to longtime firm CEO Kimberley Fritts, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the meeting. Fritts and a senior group of the Podesta team will be launching a new firm in the next one or two days. Sources said the transition has been in the works for the past several months…The investigation into Podesta and his firm grew out of investigators’ examination of Manafort’s finances…[Podesta] is well known for his flashy dressing, vast art collection, generous campaign donations across all levels of Democratic politics and, of course, for his brother John Podesta, Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman.”

    I would sooner stick toothpicks in my eyes than read a Morning Joe news feed but Puzzy does your hero have some over the top shrill tweets for this one like at 7:28a? LOLOL.

  50. Juice Box says:

    Will we have a new Senator by Christmas?

    “Defense rests in Menendez trial as senator decides not to testify, and all 18 counts of the indictment to go to the jury.”

    http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/10/defense_rests_in_trial_of_us_sen_robert_menendez.html

  51. Fabius Maximus says:

    Is it merely a flesh wound Gary?
    https://twitter.com/BBCDanahar/status/925024923294322689

    Funny part here is its amazing what you can get done in three months.

    And if Podesta and co go down as well, all well and good.

  52. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @NYDailyNews

    Trump does not have unlimited power to pardon associates (like Paul Manafort) involved in the Russia probe

  53. leftwing says:

    Fabs, the meetings were not illegal. Papadopolous got nailed for making false statements to the Feds.

    Advice for anyone walking a thin line, the coverup is always worse than the crime. DC, WS, doesn’t matter.

    And my understanding (JDs on the board can weigh in) is that for jurisdictions outside of fed, unless you are under oath, untruths or denials when dealing with law enforcement or government agents generally is not in itself a crime.

    For the feds – LEOs and agents – the mere act of untruths, misdirection, or denials are a federal crime. They don’t even need to show intent.

  54. grim says:

    As I understand, most of the Manfort charges are associated with money laundering in Ukraine – unrelated to this?

  55. Fast Eddie says:

    Unmod me.

  56. leftwing says:

    Looks like Manafort and Podesta were working for the same Ukrainian group in different capacities. Apparently how they hooked into Podesta. Who knows what his indictment will say.

    Yeah, my understanding is tax evasion, money laundering, and unregistered lobbying on behalf of a foreign government. About five pages of wire transfers to/from Cyprus listed in the indictment.

  57. Juice Box says:

    re: Three months.

    Flab – Papadopoulos was interviewed by the FBI on January 27th a week after the inauguration when he lied about being catfished in London in March of 2016, just two weeks after he “joined” the Trump campaign. This lie was five months prior to Muller. Was it with the wiretapping that started this last year under Obama?

    What was he then a 29-year-old wet behind the ears “hanger on” a so-called voluntary foreign policy adviser? Who the heck vetted this guy? He was sending emails to the campaign with the subject “Request from Russia to meet Mr. Trump.” What kind of idiot does that?

  58. leftwing says:

    Ha, just looked at the Papadopoulos plea.

    Big signal being sent. The plea was agreed 10/5 but held until today’s Manafort announcement.

    Manafort, getting book thrown at him, twelve counts, some carry 25 years, more than one has forfeiture of all assets and derivative assets from the activities. Basically all his assets given the money flows.

    Papadopoulos, one count with up to five years and a $250,000 fine. Plea agreement has zero to six months and $500 to 9500 fine.

    Uncooperative guy, crushed. Cooperative guy, effective walk.

    Next guy: “Whatcha gonna do, son?”

    Will get interesting………

    No coincidence they held the Papadopoulos plea to be released concurrently with the Manafort charges.

  59. Fabius Maximus says:

    Juice, Ignorantia juris non excusat

    Yes they only got him for lying, but its what he lied about is the bigger story. Go read the indictment. Best part is the last line. He was arrested in July. Again its always the coverup that gets them. The only person to ever navigate this process any way successfully was Eliot Spitzer. He knew up front what he was looking at.

    Yes they are going after the money and is running against the Statutes of Limitations, so this is going to move fast. Donnie will be very worried about that. If anything is tied to him abroad, its game over.

    This is batting practice for game 1 of the World Series, grab popcorn, its going to get interesting.

  60. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @jbarro

    The Daily Beast reported that Rick Gates was working for Tom Barrack, and visiting the WH, as recently as June.

  61. CoppettiPlup says:

    What I’m fascinated by is that Manafort, playing this game did not bother to set up his organization with 2 sets of books. If you are doing global business, you got to admit to foreign bank accounts and reported them in both tax form and treasury form.

    Structuring properly with a “clean set” of transactions and a “dirty set” that needed to be laundered. This is where I suspect DonnieOrangeGlow™ has its laundry set up the “correct” way. However, Manafort’s sloppiness will turd him up.

  62. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @paulkrugman

    And soon we find out if we still have a Constitution

  63. Fabius Maximus says:

    The most important story from today. WE must not lose sight of the Greatness!

    Mueller indictments prove one thing: Hillary Clinton is to blame!
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/huppke/ct-met-manafort-mueller-trump-russia-huppke-20171030-story.html

  64. 3b says:

    She is to blame in that had the Democrats had a better candidate Trump would not have won. I took the argument sideways.

  65. Fabius Maximus says:

    3b

    So the GOP get a pass for nominating him in the first place.

    That reminds me, “Where is my F&*KIN Greatness GARY?”
    http://njrereport.com/index.php/2016/11/09/nj-votes/#comment-736827

  66. Fabius Maximus says:

    Meanwhile in the real world.
    https://www.ninersnation.com/2017/10/30/16579030/49ers-jimmy-garoppolo-trade-rumors-2017-second-round-pick

    Ok, I am severely conflicted on this. Yes I’ll take him as a QB, but I was resigned to an 0-16 season and a top draft pick.This could mean that the Giants or the Jets could steal the spot from me. Can we sign him and bench him for the rest of the season while he learns the system.

  67. 3b says:

    Fab no pass. But does not change anything.

  68. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Grim – Article yesterday referred to Hank’s Hot Sauce out of Sea Isle City. It’s the best hot sauce I’ve ever head. Perfect balance between heat and flavor. Think Frank’s mixed with Tabasco.

    I used to sell my hot sauce at Eastmont Orchards in Colt’s Neck. I would love to go pro but the red tape ain’t worth my time right now. I make about 100 bottles a year for gifts.

    I’m always fascinated by the hot sauce industry. The guys at Tobasco run a top notch family operation that is inspirational and have been for 150 years. They could probably make a lot more money not operating on that island but they choose to keep tradition and quality control high. I’m a huge fan of their Chipotle Hot Sauce.

    The other guy that is one of my hero’s is David Tran, the owner of Sriracha (Huy Fong foods). Here’s a guy who came to the US on a boat after being exiled in Vietnam. He had nothing but a recipe and sold it out of a barrel. Then he got a van and sold it to asian restaurants. Then stores. His sales grew by 20% annually since the 80s every single year. He’s financed his entire operation on cash that he saved and has never once taken out a loan. If he was sent to NJ, he would have never made his multimillion dollar empire, as the red tape just to get started runs about $40k before you even start talking about equipment.

  69. Libturd sporting Tiger Wood says:

    Yeah…I know the Sriracha story. I’ve been using it since I tried it on Thai food back in my LA days. I’m surprised that the sweet hot chili sauce (more popular in Hawaii) hasn’t gained more popularity. It’s great on fish. It’s a bit like a slightly spicy duck sauce.

  70. exJersey says:

    What a Country!! (yaakov smirnoff)

  71. nwnj says:

    I guess Mueller decided to charge this campaign aid just to link his “independent” investigation to the election and to avoid the appearance of selective prosecution, which it is.

    Nice try, but this investigation is a joke. . Hillary destroys intentionally 33k emails(the tech was busted on Reddit asking how to do it) that were subpoenaed and Comey decides to hand out immunity to everyone.

  72. exJersey says:

    The Trump campaign worked behind the scenes last week to make sure the new Republican platform won’t call for giving weapons to Ukraine to fight Russian and rebel forces, contradicting the view of almost all Republican foreign policy leaders in Washington.

    Throughout the campaign, Trump has been dismissive of calls for supporting the Ukraine government as it fights an ongoing Russian-led intervention. Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, worked as a lobbyist for the Russian-backed former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych for more than a decade.

    Still, Republican delegates at last week’s national security committee platform meeting in Cleveland were surprised when the Trump campaign orchestrated a set of events to make sure that the GOP would not pledge to give Ukraine the weapons it has been asking for from the United States.

  73. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Yeah…I know the Sriracha story. I’ve been using it since I tried it on Thai food back in my LA days. I’m surprised that the sweet hot chili sauce (more popular in Hawaii) hasn’t gained more popularity. It’s great on fish. It’s a bit like a slightly spicy duck sauce.

    It’s in a jar instead of a bottle. I think that’s the only thing that holds it back.

  74. Libturd, AKA Dr. Howie Feltersnatch says:

    You might be on to something there BRT. I never thought of that, but it is true.

  75. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The grass is always greener…

    “Nearly every highway, entrance, or exit into this city has tolls on it. Enough already!! It’s like they don’t know how to build a road without putting a toll booth on it!! No more toll roads!!“

    http://www.mystatesman.com/news/transportation/austin-vision-for-makeover-now-includes-two-toll-lanes-per-side/mlcJqKJIuWa0OjnUDpoBLN/

  76. D-FENS says:

    Russia/Ukraine entanglements go back hundreds of years. I’m not sure it’s a good idea for us to get involved.

  77. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Footstool and Gluteus, were you at the meeting?

    Antifa Caught Meeting with ISIS and Al Qaeda Leaders to Plot Destruction of Trump

    https://facts.americanewshub.com/2017/10/30/antifa-caught-meeting-isis-al-qaeda-leaders-plot-destruction-trump/?fb=abw

  78. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Trump has clearly been working with the Russians, evidence is plain as day, and the defense is to bring up Hillary who has been kicked out of politics. Until this current administration is kicked out of politics, stop bringing her up. She is gone.

  79. 3b says:

    Dfens we need to stay out of that mess. Russia is a dictatorship and Ukraine corrupt to the core. Let the Russians have east Ukraine have a small west Ukraine and give the city of Lviv back to Poland where it rightfully belongs.

  80. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Next time I get caught doing something I’m not supposed to be doing, but but the Clintons….. Lame!

  81. No One says:

    From the beginning Trump’s team was full of 3rd rate political hacks and sleazebags. Basically losers of the Republican party, coupled with some second string businesspeople/fixers. And family, who don’t even qualify as 3rd rate hacks. Nobody of White-house-level stature or intellect in the entire crew. Since then, Trump has tried to fill in the holes by hiring military guys because he wants more people to follow his orders.
    Meanwhile, the Republican congress flounders because the White House is directionless, and because of their own hypocrisies. Many wondering whether to jump in a lifeboat to get off a sinking ship. And the Democrats imagine they are in a holy resistance movement, convinced that Trump, Republicans, and anyone who voted for them are subhumans, with most focused on race/class/gender wars that (for now) the median American dislikes.

  82. 3b says:

    No one. Very accurate description of the state of affairs today.

  83. Not NoOne says:

    I agree with NoOne, but preface it with.

    Trump real secret to his RE empire has been money laundering to the Oligarchs of Russia through his 1100+ global network corporate subsidiaries.

    This is what Putin has on him. Trump never expected to win. He expected to grow his brand by the election. But it took a Clinton to make him win.

  84. 3b says:

    Not no one : no proof on that yet. And Hillary is corrupt. And that is the sad part. Hillary and Trump those became the choices for the American people. Some choice!

  85. Not NoOne says:

    Add to it, a Clinton that rigged the democratic party in her favor – the emails which she went out of her way to keep out of others hand, but had bad tech people on he payroll handling it and leaked out anyway – show very clearly.

    How they got out and Who got those emails, Podesta stupidity, inside job or Putin’s Hackers (Karpersky Labs) or combination of both, does not matter – if you are playing in these league you got to expect this behavior and prepare for it. Dumb of her and lucky fro the country that it happen and came out. Tip -next time watch surveillance tape of John Gotti walking in the street with his hand over mouth.

    Underlying all of these, the very successful so far Russian intelligence operation to damage the appearance of the USA worldwide and discredit our system. This operation has been aided by Clintons/Trump’s crookedness, fanatical ideologues in both parties, big corporate america refusal to see beyond its quarterly profits, rich folks that don’t want to pay their share. As Lenin said, capitalism will hang itself, just sell them the rope.

    Finally, no one is paying attention to China, which basically said, Xi is the new President for Life, and we will impart “Chinese way and wisdom” to the world by 2050. Read into the lines what it means. North Korea will be their bad cop to China good cop. Bullying their way to domination and hegemony.

    Issue is how much damage gets done as Trumps laundry hits the sunlight.

  86. 3b says:

    China is the enemy. Not Russia. But people refuse to see that . They just call each other arseholes on FB.

  87. leftwing says:

    NWNJ, I’m not going to get all tin hat on Mueller and his motivations. Nearly anyone that has had any contact with him has said he is a straight shooter. Will prosecute, regardless of whom, if the facts warrant. Won’t if they don’t.

    Agree on Comey. Most troublesome to me regarding HRC’s emails is that something is seriously off. Did the subpoenas not include Clinton’s right hand person for the emails? If so, how did Abedin avoid producing them? Subpoenas for information are incredibly broad. Had to cover hubbie’s laptop that she used. How were they not produced?

    I think the ‘favorite long shot’ is that the Dems are going to be very saddened that there is an independent counsel. His mandate is wide open. Recall Clinton’s entire Lewinsky scandal came through the IC and had zero to do with the underlying investigation. WJC’s attorney p1ssed off an unrelated party, Tripp, with some public comments, and she then recorded Lewinsky and handed over the tapes to the IC. And, again, the bj wasn’t what tripped Bill up. It was the perjury after.

    Dems may think Russia-Trump is being investigated but they need to be careful. They are exposed at several intersections. The fact that they paid for the dossier, and that the dossier is a direct link to Russia-Trump, opens the door for the IC to the DNC and the Clinton campaign. Remember, the talking heads and late night comedians focus on content that is unseemly but mostly not illegal – meetings, dossiers, opposition research. That is not the exposure. The exposure is the ticket for the IC to troll around the records and what else is discovered (or brought to him). I’d be pretty concerned if I were a high ranking Dem. The IC seems to be filing against Tony Podesta, brother of John who was HRC’s campaign manager.

    Roll Podesta through his brother and run Abedin on the subpoenas and you have a wide open highway to Clinton and the DNC.

  88. leftwing says:

    Also, for anyone with time to poke around, this nugget was on CBS This Morning…

    Their legal analyst looked at the court filings. Based on time stamp or number sequence (not sure which, or if something related) they concluded there are four more indictments filed and out there.

    Effectively, what I took away from their reporting was their look at the filings indicated six were filed together and so far only numbers 1 and 6 are opened.

    Break out the popcorn.

  89. Yo! says:

    S&P CoreLogic Case-Schiller data out. New York metro:

    High tier house +3.0% year over year, -8.1% from peak
    Mid tier house +6.7% year over year, -10.8% from peak
    Low tier house +6.4% year over year, -18.4% from peak
    Condo +3.9% year over year, +17.5% from peak

    Note: the plus sign in front of the 17.5% is not a typo

  90. 3b says:

    Yo any thoughts on why condos are doing so well?

  91. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    IMO, condos are doing well because that’s what most people in the middle class can afford.

  92. 3b says:

    Blue but from the information provided it looks like lower tier housing is languishing from peak so why not more interest there? Also I am assuming many of these condos are high priced so called gold coast locations.

  93. Phoenix says:

    grim can you give leftwing my contact information please?

  94. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    I think the real SHTF when it comes out that they used the dossier to obtain FISA wiretap warrants.

    The fact that they paid for the dossier, and that the dossier is a direct link to Russia-Trump, opens the door for the IC to the DNC and the Clinton campaign.

  95. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    LOL. There has been a Howie Feltersnatch on twitter since at least 2011. @Howie_Felt

  96. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Blue but from the information provided it looks like lower tier housing is languishing from peak so why not more interest there? Also I am assuming many of these condos are high priced so called gold coast locations.

    I gotta imagine that it has to do with the condos being more modern and not as old. Most of the places for sale on the lower tier haven’t been updated since the 80s. I was in a home in Hamilton on the low end and the real estate agent was bragging how well kept all the appliances were. No joke, the oven was from the 1950s and it was spotless. I guess it was a step up from the people that had ovens from the 1980s but never bothered to even clean them once.

  97. Libturd, AKA Dr. Howie Feltersnatch says:

    “Yo any thoughts on why condos are doing so well?”

    I’m not yo, but besides affordability, I think the Millennial set is generally cool with living in an apartment. I see it as a partial result of the great pussification of our children. Our kids don’t know how to fix things anymore, they don’t know how to cook, and they definitely didn’t have to mow the lawn or shovel the driveway. Heck, I laugh when I see the continued parade of “shipped-prepared,” products, such as Blue Apron, Fresh Direct, even custom suits now. Heck, there’s no reason to really leave the home now. All socializing is done via social networking. I first noticed this dynamic when my wife lived in Hoboken for a few years before we were married. Even after a year, she didn’t really know any of her neighbors in the other units. When one lives in a house, at least it’s been my experience that I’ve become super friendly with most, if not all of my neighbors. On my block, we know nearly all 40 households. So with such little live socializing and so little home cooking, there’s also very little home entertaining. So no need really for a deck or a dining room.

    Though, with all this said, and I argued that Millennials wait forever to have kids. Now that the repercussions of the great recession (2007-2011) are mostly behind us, they are finally hatching offspring and I would expect the demand for housing will start to pick up again when they realize that 1,000 square feet is not enough room for three or four people and all of those empty moving boxes.

  98. Fast Eddie says:

    So what did Papadopoulos know and where will the investigation lead?

  99. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Funny you bring up mowing the lawn. I swear, the millenials that moved in across the street from me had someone (possibly a parent) show them how to rake the leaves. What was funny was that after about a day…landscapers all of the sudden show up and clear the lawn.

  100. D-FENS says:

    Well….not exactly.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/sources-podesta-group-mercury-are-companies-b-indictment-n815721

    Sources: Podesta Group, Mercury Are Companies ‘A’ and ‘B’ in Indictment

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    October 31, 2017 at 9:10 am
    Trump has clearly been working with the Russians, evidence is plain as day, and the defense is to bring up Hillary who has been kicked out of politics. Until this current administration is kicked out of politics, stop bringing her up. She is gone.

  101. Libturd, AKA Dr. Howie Feltersnatch says:

    It’s really quite true!

    Here’s a perfect example of the snowflake mentality. There’s a kid on my son’s hockey team that is just a big ball of testosterone and adrenaline. He is really big and every time he touches the puck he goes full power straight towards the goal. He usually gets around the first or second guy as they are either to slow or cower. But usually the third guy will strip it away. Passing is not on his menu. Well he’s had about a six-game drought and he finally executes a give and go that resulted in a beautiful goal. I cheered, “see what happens when you pass?” This morning, the head c0ach sent out an email to the team telling us that we are not allowed to say anything to any player on our team or the opponents unless it’s clearly positive. His kid is the most immature 12 year-old I have ever witnessed. He is our goaltender and blames every goal he lets up on our defense and then swings the stick at everything he can find for about 30 seconds after ever goal he lets up. It’s friggin’ embarrassing to watch. And it’s not like I’ve said anything disparaging ever before. What does this upcoming generation have against discipline? I really do need to get off teams with parent c0aches. I appreciate their enormous amounts of volunteered time and this guy know his game better than most, but his c0aching/parenting will be his undoing. And he’s German to boot!

  102. Libturd, AKA Dr. Howie Feltersnatch says:

    D-Fens – Ignore him

  103. Juice Box says:

    re: “So what did Papadopoulos know”

    Seems Muller has a leak.

    Apparently, The Washington Post was communicating with the “Russian” professor two months ago, long before this information became public.

    The “Russian” in the Papadopoulos aka James Bond story is Joseph Mifsud, the guy does not even speak Russian, he is from Malta and has called Papadopoulos a liar.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/professor-named-in-russia-disclosures-says-he-has-clean-conscious/2017/10/31/41a7a08e-be3b-11e7-959c-fe2b598d8c00_story.html?utm_term=.38cb8540ddca

  104. nwnj says:

    juice, exactly, plenty of reasons to be skeptical of Muller. Convenient leaks left and right. He’s chocked full of Clinton cronies. Nothing impartial about their interests. I also see the prosecution of this nothing, political climber as a desperate move. They’re going to try to squeeze him but he has nothing. It was purely for PR.

  105. Yo! says:

    3b 11:37 am,

    The reason is Jobs are being created in New York City, not NJ, and a condos are concentrated closer to the job growth than single family houses.

    Since the 2008 peak, New York City has added 600,000 jobs, while NJ has added just 50,000.

  106. Libturd, AKA Dr. Howie Feltersnatch says:

    Crude is creeping up again. Anyone know why? Time to get frackin.

  107. D-FENS says:

    Something tells me NJ is going to become a testing ground for all things hard left liberal progressive…

    https://twitter.com/PhilMurphyNJ/status/925407420855308288

    @PhilMurphyNJ
    Following Following @PhilMurphyNJ
    More
    Thank you @RepMaxineWaters for your endorsement today – only 7 days until NJ turns the page from disastrous Christie/Guadagno administration

  108. D-FENS says:

    Some kids have neurological behavioral issues Lib…seriously…it’s not something the parents or the child have much control over.

  109. Libturd, AKA Dr. Howie Feltersnatch says:

    Believe me, I know neurological behavioral.

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  111. 3b says:

    Yo true. But why not some of the closer in suburbs. It just does not make sense to me to buy a condo assuming you ultimately plan a move to the suburbs. Unless of course the belief is you will make money on the condo then sell and go to the burbs. Or are these people making a long term commitment to the urban areas. Just my thoughts.

  112. leftwing says:

    Maxine Waters?!

    You guys are fcuked. I will likely be out of here before the end of Murphy’s term, but if that is representative of his crowd…..

    Aside from being a died in the wool liberal she is the most inarticulate person I’ve seen in public life. A total embarrassment. Watching her in Committee, trying to wade through questions, is a total face plant. I missed the garbage collection the other day. Carried my bag out and the guy from the truck walked down. He was more coherent, lucid, and fluent than she is. The garbageman. Wow. I mean I almost feel badly writing this, as I seriously think she may have a major disability.

  113. leftwing says:

    That’s the kind of endorsement where a reasonable candidate says “thank you” and stuffs it in a drawer, not tweets it.

  114. JCer says:

    Yes Maxine Waters is a disgrace, and with Phil Murphy at the helm NJ will be more of a running joke than it was before. Hopefully people wake up on election day and vote for the lesser of 2 evils.

  115. Libturd, AKA Dr. Howie Feltersnatch says:

    I told you guys it was Maxine the day the rich stooge chose her. This may quickly get more interesting than Trump watching.

  116. 3b says:

    6 people killed in lower Manhattan terrorist attack.! Unbelievable!! Condolences to the victims and their families.

  117. Libturd, AKA Dr. Howie Feltersnatch says:

    Gotta ban those trucks.

  118. Libturd, AKA Dr. Howie Feltersnatch says:

    Looks like a $19 per hour home depot truck rental.

  119. 3b says:

    Right outside my building but I was not in the office today.

  120. exJersey says:

    2:50. I think we gotcha beat out here on that whole testbed thing.

  121. exJersey says:

    Ban bike lanes!

  122. chicagofinance says:

    7. TAXES PAID – Federal estate and gift taxes collected during fiscal year 2017 (i.e., the 12 months that ended 9/30/17) were just $22.8 billion, less than two-thirds of 1% of the $3.315 trillion of tax receipts collected during the period. Total individual income taxes collected (1040s) were $1.587 trillion, its largest total ever and more than 5 times the size of the $297 billion of corporate taxes that was collected (source: Treasury Department).

  123. Not ChiFi says:

    ChiFi,

    And to think that less than 40 yrs ago, before corporations became humans. Corporations were paying the same percentage of federal taxes as individuals. If I remember 40-45% individuals, 40-45% corporate, the balance were others.

    Some how Corporations now are “special”, exempt from jail or even death penalty for bad behavior and now lower taxes overall.

    What have locust boomers brought us.

  124. joyce says:

    “Some how Corporations now are “special”, exempt from jail or even death penalty for bad behavior…”

    Awful, agreed.

    “… and now lower taxes overall.”

    Only individuals pay taxes. In the past, present, and future that’s the way it will always be.

  125. Libturd sporting Tiger Wood says:

    Uzbeki from Patterson. Rented the truck from the Passaic Home Depot.

  126. D-FENS says:

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/mv5j88/my-life-as-a-convicted-gun-offender-who-did-nothing-wrong

    My Life as a Convicted Gun Offender Who Did Nothing Wrong
    I served four months in prison because police found legally owned unloaded guns in my car, and only went free thanks to an executive order from New Jersey Governor Chris Christie. I’m still barred from seeing my son or living a normal life.

  127. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    I guess you should have positively cheered, “Great first pass!” ?

    I cheered, “see what happens when you pass?” This morning, the head c0ach sent out an email to the team telling us that we are not allowed to say anything to any player on our team or the opponents unless it’s clearly positive.

  128. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    At my last job we had these pretty nice coffee stations all over the office. Full sink, free tea, free pod coffee machine with creamers, paper towels, free paper plates and plastic ware in the drawers, a nice bit of counter space if you needed to do something. These weren’t kitchenettes, we had those elsewhere, just nice, clean coffee and tea stations with a nice counter and triple purified hot or cold water dispenser and a full sink. These coffee stations also became the defacto “give free snacks and food away” sites. Everything from pastry to home-grown vegetables show up there. I always thought it was funny that about 4 business days after Halloween tons of candy would show up on those counters.

  129. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Speaking of candy, my youngest daughter has already made her offering. She delivered to me a substantial amount of good candy (Almond Joys, Reeses cups, Snickers, Peanut everything…) as an appeal to the almighty to spare the candy that she likes that she has retained.

    Since this is our first Halloween in the suburby-type part of Boston, we bought candy. One trick-or-treater, actually two siblings that we know from around the corner. So we have our own excess this year.

  130. The Great Pumpkin says:

    For the love of god, why does it always come down to Clinton with your type. No matter what, Clinton comes into the conversation. Clinton’s political career is dead. It’s over, let it go. Clinton has nothing to do with trump besides helping to get him elected, let it go! Let it go!

    nwnj says:
    October 31, 2017 at 1:55 pm
    juice, exactly, plenty of reasons to be skeptical of Muller. Convenient leaks left and right. He’s chocked full of Clinton cronies. Nothing impartial about their interests. I also see the prosecution of this nothing, political climber as a desperate move. They’re going to try to squeeze him but he has nothing. It was purely for PR.

  131. The Great Pumpkin says:

    And that’s s not a direct call out of you specifically. Just calling for an end to Clinton as excuse for any politicians wrong doing. Just because Clinton did it does not make it okay.

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