So what happens to New Jersey?

From ROI NJ:

Murphy’s plans, GOP’s ideas could hasten migration from N.J.

While raising the minimum wage and increasing the millionaires tax are two goals for Gov.-elect Phil Murphy, two Republican tax bills currently making their way through the federal legislative branch propose slashing corporate and certain other business taxes.

How will this pan out for New Jersey?

Possibly with greater outmigration than the state has already seen, according to one tax expert.

“The theory is that, by reducing the amount that businesses and business owners have to pay, in the form of income tax, it leaves more money to be paid in the form of wages and investing in their business,” said Jordan Amin, a tax partner at EisnerAmper.

“Investing in the business doesn’t just mean capital investments in the business, but in people and wages. Hopefully, that will trickle down.”

Especially for larger businesses.

“Whether that’s invested or paid out to investors in dividends, that remains to be seen,” Amin said.

“I think where some of these provisions that are affecting New Jersey harder than some other states — like the repeal of the state and local tax deductions — the incoming governor wants to increase the highest income tax rate in the state, currently 9 percent, to 10.75 percent, and I think that that may meet some opposition, now that some of the state taxes are not going to be deductible at the federal level. And we have all read about people supposedly fleeing New Jersey for other low-tax or no-tax jurisdictions, such as Florida. I think that there is some concern (the tax) … could cause a greater migration outward.”

An ultrasimplified list of the winners and losers might look something like this (based on ROI-NJ interviews and national reports):

Winners: Foreign and multinationals; corporations; passive investors (real estate); small businesses (to a degree); oil companies; and beer, wine and liquor.

Losers: Construction; small legal or tax or medical practices; hospitals; health insurers; universities.

Real estate is especially interesting for New Jersey, where there is no shortage, according to WithumSmith+Brown tax partner Tony Nitti.

“If you own residential rental property or commercial rental property, not only would the income be subject to a property rate of 25 percent, but you will also get these shortened depreciation lives now,” he said.

With changes to the total years of depreciation of commercial real estate from the current nearly 40 years to 25 years, which results in a reduction in tax bills, “the real estate industry, real estate investors in general, benefit under either bill,” Nitti said.

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76 Responses to So what happens to New Jersey?

  1. grim says:

    Go talk to Eddie Ray, he can explain it, set it up for you and bill you for it. The bigger problem is what to invest in. Grim Hooch could have gone belly up and it would be lose/lose. He loses his investment and I(/We the Society) lose the tax he should have paid in the first place.

    Wow, you really are a liberal, your hand is in my pocket before I’ve even made a dime.

    I’ve paid more in taxes than I’ve taken as profit. In fact, I haven’t taken a penny in profit or salary two years in, and I’ve probably paid north of $40,000 in taxes, and that doesn’t even include indirect property taxes from my lease (Another $10k or more). I don’t even make minimum wage.

    Who is subsidizing who?

    You know, I’d really like to buy a building in Paterson near the falls. I have my eye on an old property, it’s more than a million asking currently. Would be fantastic to setup there, hire a half dozen locals or so. Really make a go of it in a big way. Would be fairly easy for me to pay more than $15/hr. In fact, I’m sure my employees would make more than I do.

  2. Fabius Maximus says:

    So go rework your W2 for the past three years. Remove the start up write off and let me know how that adjusts the 4oK number. For the last few years on the Tax front you’ve shown up with short hands and deep pockets.

    Maybe the trickle down will leave you enough for a set of Truck Nutz for the F150.

    Off to subsiddize the rich through my W2!

  3. Hold my beer says:

    Matt lauer got fired. I am surprised it took this long. He seems like an a$$.

  4. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @TheStalwart
    CEOs of major companies aren’t even pretending that tax cuts will result in higher wages or more investment bloomberg.com… via @ToluseO

    “Major companies including Cisco Systems Inc., Pfizer Inc. and Coca-Cola Co. say they’ll turn over most gains from proposed corporate tax cuts to their shareholders, undercutting President Donald Trump’s promise that his plan will create jobs and boost wages for the middle class.

    The president has held fast to his pledge even as top executives’ comments have run counter to it for months. Instead of hiring more workers or raising their pay, many companies say they’ll first increase dividends or buy back their own shares.”

  5. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    “Robert Bradway, chief executive of Amgen Inc., said in an Oct. 25 earnings call that the company has been “actively returning capital in the form of growing dividend and buyback and I’d expect us to continue that.”

    Executives including Coca-Cola CEO James Quincey, Pfizer Chief Financial Officer Frank D’Amelio and Cisco CFO Kelly Kramer have recently made similar statements.

    “We’ll be able to get much more aggressive on the share buyback” after a tax cut, Kramer said in a Nov. 16 interview.”

  6. ExJerz says:

    Since the financial crisis, share buybacks have been an ace in the hole for public companies as the equity market’s bull run has stretched into its ninth year.

    They’ve offered a win-win for corporations that want to push their stock price higher by reducing shares outstanding while also signaling to the market that they’re undervalued. And, perhaps most importantly, they’ve allowed companies to grind out gains during times devoid of other positive catalysts.

    But the party might soon be over. Share repurchases have already started to decline, and Morgan Stanley says they could be set to slow even further as central banks scale back the global money supply and as equity valuations sit near record highs. The firm also notes that a similar slowdown has befallen dividend payments, another form of so-called capital return.

  7. Chi says:

    Interesting. Your contributions here have no value.

    Fabius Maximus says:
    November 28, 2017 at 11:07 pm
    My contributions have no expectation of a return and no expectation to generate revenue. You on the other hand can expect to receive 100% of your equity investment back to you tax free.

    Wipe out both. I will still give my 70%

  8. nwnj says:

    Matt Lauer imploded. Love to see these liberals implode. Guess he couldn’t use the Al Franken “I’m a friendly person” excuse.

  9. ExJerz says:

    Funny how these newly fired asshats were all people who were way overpaid and tiresometools. Won’t miss em.

  10. Juice Box says:

    Who the fuk watches TV anymore?

  11. ExJerz says:

    TV might be due for a comeback….The internet is dying.

    Sure, technically, the internet still works. Pull up Facebook on your phone and you will still see your second cousin’s baby pictures. But that isn’t really the internet. It’s not the open, anyone-can-build-it network of the 1990s and early 2000s, the product of technologies created over decades through government funding and academic research, the network that helped undo Microsoft’s stranglehold on the tech business and gave us upstarts like Amazon, Google, Facebook and Netflix.

    Nope, that freewheeling internet has been dying a slow death — and a vote next month by the Federal Communications Commission to undo net neutrality would be the final pillow in its face.

  12. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @tonyschwartz

    Heartbreaking that tax bill will likely pass because Republicans want a win, even if it means hurting millions of struggling people and betraying their own decades-old argument that we shouldn’t increase the debt.

  13. nwnj says:

    No doubt, the left was complicit with 30-40 years of predatory behavior by Bill. Only when he’s become politically obsolete do some one the left decide to be critical. All outrage is selective.

  14. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @tonyschwartz

    Tax cut will lead to more taxes for 50% of taxpayers.
    Rewards the super wealthy — 50% of cuts to top 5%.
    Increases debt over 10 years by $1.3 TRILLION.
    It’s a con job that will profoundly hurt most Americans.

  15. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @brianklaas
    The Britain First leader that Trump re-tweeted was arrested on November 19th for inciting religious hatred and also on October 15th for violating bail terms from a previous arrest by appearing on a neo-Nazi radio show (Radio Aryan)

    @MrBrendanCox
    Trump has legitimised the far right in his own country, now he’s trying to do it in ours. Spreading hatred has consequences & the President should be ashamed of himself.

  16. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    lol, Matt Lauer gone, it’s been a few days

  17. nwnj says:

    Arresting people for thoughts and words. Sounds like something the left would get behind.

  18. D-FENS says:

    WATCH: Moore Accusers Have Ties to Drug Dealers, Washington Post

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cXK6zhGZ24

  19. leftwing says:

    Grim, the Left continues to amaze.

    “Go talk to Eddie Ray, he can explain it, set it up for you and bill you for it. The bigger problem is what to invest in. Grim Hooch could have gone belly up and it would be lose/lose. He loses his investment and I(/We the Society) lose the tax he should have paid in the first place.”

    Somehow if you were to invest money and lose it all going belly up, that direct and measurable personal loss to your balance sheet is somehow ‘taking’ taxes from them. I don’t have enough fingers to untangle the knot of twisted logic there.

    Also, I always find it amusing that the Left think starting and running a successful business is so easy, and that taking massively outsized gains is simply a matter of calling your accountant. Would seem like a no-brainer for anyone to step into that position, no? Yet these highly critical liberals just sit around in government and university jobs leaving ALL THAT EASY MONEY on the table. Hmmmmmm……

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  21. Fast Eddie says:

    Major companies including Cisco Systems Inc., Pfizer Inc. and Coca-Cola Co. say they’ll turn over most gains from proposed corporate tax cuts to their shareholders…

    Yoo Hoo! Bring it on!

  22. Hold my beer says:

    Juice Box,

    I prefer to watch the movie in my head.

  23. Hold my beer says:

    Fabius,

    Try to run a little hobby business on eBay or Etsy and you may see things differently. Once you have paid for supplies, equipment, cost of goods and materials, shipping supplies commissions to ebay or Etsy you then have to pay social security tax as an owner and then state and federal tax. Plus have to track and pay state sales tax and file annual state reports in addition to your tax returns. You will be lucky to make minimum wage the first year.

  24. Steamturd, Part Time Orientalist and Full Time Mysoginist says:

    So Grim, do you know of any good books so I can fashion myself an expert in pass through business benefitting? I have never used an accountant and have relied on books to teach me about the best strategies to reduce my taxes and liability. Nearly every year, I study the tax changes that might affect me. This year, since Gator collected unemployment, I waited until December to have her small business owners write her a paycheck, though she freelanced-most of the year. Will have some nice self-employment markdowns to claim. Additionally, without her income, I might actually be able to deduct our massive medical costs for the first time ever. So back to the original question. Anyone know of any good books on exploiting LLCs?

  25. Fabius Maximus says:

    LW, if it’s done with after tax income I don’t have an issue.

  26. Knotty Steamy Turd says:

    Steamy, pending what or however it settles down. The last info I read will treat intellectual property, royalties and alike with a lot of TLC.

    So whatever you do, keep in mind how intellectual property and royalties are strucutred for tax purposes – the movie industry is great at this, and likely Trump is doing with his name and license it to real estate holdings.

    So whether you own a bakery or string or buildings, lets give it a name. Let’s called them CrazyAcme Bakery or CrazyAcme Apartments at the Brigadoon. Now CrazyAcme IP,LLP owns the name Crazy Acme and license it to CrazyAcme Brigadoon Bakery,Inc and CrazyAcme Apts Holding,Inc. for a annual fee + % of gross and net profits. You can add an extra layer as a management company CrazyAcme Mgmt LLC.

    All of this will create a lot of work for tax lawyers and accountants and create bubble for you. 1 business channels cash into you at the lowest rate, 1 business generates the cash and report nearly no profits + provides the benefit structure (hmo/epo health insurance,SEP-IRA,etc) to the actual employees, 1 business (mgmt co) provides the higher package of benefits (imdemnity health insurance, beautiful 401k, profit plan (old Keogh)

    Like I said, the entertainment industry is you guide for this. That is why most well off entertainers have a tax lawyer getting 5% gross of income as business manager.

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  28. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    When I used to sell Hot Sauce in Colt’s Neck, it was all cash and I was skirting a few regulations. If I wanted to comply with the law, instead of making $7 or $8k for the season, I’d be in the red $20k year 1. Red tape is the boon to anyone that wants to work for themselves.

  29. Daddy Deported says:

    If they would just legalize puzzy grabbing in blue states all these problems go away.

  30. Daddy Deported says:

    I think you meant:

    Red tape is the boon bane to anyone that wants to work for themselves.

  31. leftwing says:

    Knotty, again, you guys kill me…..the lack of information and misunderstanding is astounding….

    Yeah, try doing what you say with a bakery or rental, lol. Just make sure you leave enough cash in your personal account so someone can bail you out…..

    There needs to be a real transfer of value, both in the initial transaction (moving assets offshore if they weren’t developed there) and for the ongoing fees paid to offshore entity and deducted here.

    Unless you have recently received a patent for bagels or 1BR apartments I don’t think it will work.

    It works for IP and licensing because those assets are portable and generate revenue (value) regardless of geographic location. Trump, to use your example, is all about his name. It is actually licensed out to third parties in arms length transactions. That asset legitimately generates value regardless of where it is based and he should have it offshore. CrazyAcme Bakery or Apartments does not generate its value offshore, the value is in the bagels or 1BRs located here.

    Now, if you were to take a financial bank shot to make CrazyAcme Bagel a recognizable household name and license it out for, say, Mattel to make toy bagels for Christmas then by all means incorporate and house the CrazyAcme Bagel name overseas. Then license that name back into the US to Mattel for them to use.

    To use your structure to avoid taxes for turning water and flour into a bagel in NJ? Have a good time at Club Fed, assuming you could even get lawyers and accountants to sign off on this structure in the first place.

  32. Daddy Deported says:

    I think Hillary dropped a dime on him. That’ll teach that dick weed what happens when he asks her a hard question she wasn’t given in advance.

    Matt lauer got fired. I am surprised it took this long. He seems like an a$$.

  33. Steamturd, Part Time Orientalist and Full Time Mysoginist says:

    Thanks…both of you. I think I’ll continue with my tried and true strategy of manipulating TurboTax Premier until I get to a number I can live with. To this day, I have never paid a penny to anyone to do my taxes and I have never been audited. You may try to argue that I am probably overpaying my taxes, but my resulting tax rates continue to appear to be impossibly low. This is why I hate this so-called tax-reform. My ability to find tax savings will be greatly diminished. Unless of course, I was filthy rich. This is why I need to further explore the tax advantages my LLC offers.

  34. D-FENS says:

    Re: Matt Lauer….who else thinks Chris Cuomo is next?

  35. D-FENS says:

    Dude looked like he soiled himself reporting about Matt Lauer today.

  36. No One says:

    I did all my own taxes for over 20 years until I became a limited partner in a business a few years ago. Then it became too complicated to be worth it anymore. It’s theoretically possible to do it myself, but letting the accountants do it gives me more confidence. I’m not counting on a 25% pass through rate until the legislation passes, the accountants read it, and tell me that’s what I get. It sounds pretty vague right now and my guess is that a lot of people will stretch the definition of what qualifies for pass through and will end up getting audited.

  37. ExJerz says:

    NBC : show me on the doll where Matt Lauer touched you.

  38. Steamturd, Part Time Orientalist and Full Time Mysoginist says:

    No one…yup!

  39. nwnj says:

    Thought the same about Geraldo, dude must be sweating bullets.

  40. Steamturd, Part Time Orientalist and Full Time Mysoginist says:

    Playing bathroom stall footsie appears to be the safe way to go these days.

  41. Juice Box says:

    Ass grabbing is now verboten?

  42. Comrade Nom Deplorable, surfacing for air says:

    “Go talk to Eddie Ray, he can explain it, set it up for you and bill you for it.”

    I sure will but not as much as I would bill some gooner for the same time. If for no other reason than I would not have the additional expense for crayons.

  43. Juice Box says:

    re: “footsie”

    Only is a gender non-specific restroom. You don’t want to be accused of assuming gender.

  44. Nomad says:

    Steam,

    Any thoughts on a good mechanic? Brakes specifically? Thanks,

  45. Comrade Nom Deplorable, surfacing for air says:

    Geez, I go away for some turkey, work, and the occasional date and this place goes to hell. Gooners and Moanas everywhere. Who left the asylum unlocked?

  46. Steamturd, Part Time Orientalist and Full Time Mysoginist says:

    Nomad,

    For a normal brake job, I always find deals at Firestone which make it impossibly cheap. For an older car, or if you need a creative fix, I use two local guys. Jim’s Super Service (Exxon) on Broad Street in Bloomfield. Or the Shell on Watchung Avenue near exit 151 in Bloomfield. Ask for Dominick. Super honest guy and willing to try things to save you money. He’s the one who welded a part for me rather than paying Honda $400 for a part worth $20. Don’t get yourself upsold at Firestone and don’t go in there without coupons. Get their credit card too. That’s how you get the crazy good coupons. Right now, they have $40 off per axle which is fine if all you need is a flush and a rotor resurface. If it’s a full blown break job (new rotors/pads/master cylinder, etc,) shop around for a better deal and see if they’ll match it.

  47. Comrade Nom Deplorable, surfacing for air says:

    I’ve followed the #metoo saga with professional interest (I do work for a labor firm), and what I find astonishing is the preemptive belittling from the left, attempting to rebut the idea that men will become insular and freeze women out. They argue that, in the words of one commenter on NYT from Iowa, the difference between acceptable and unacceptable isn’t a thin line, its a vast chasm, and men who argue otherwise are cluesless or enablers. Vivian Chen at Careerist has advanced the same argument.

    Call me an enabler then. These women clearly never talked to Lisa Bloom or read Michael Crichton. They are ridiculously off base.

    The line is thin, very thin indeed. Lisa Bloom has even argued that sitting next to someone in meetings, and uttering “mmm, hmm” after her comments is a form of retaliation and harassment. And she prevailed with that argument.

    And who recalls the “Seinfeld/Dolores” case? The guy, when asked what everyone was talking about on “Seinfeld”, refused to utter the word “cl1t0ris” and pointed to it in the dictionary instead. The courts upheld that as harassment.

    The line is indeed thin. Proceed accordingly.

  48. joyce says:

    A different perspective on net neutrality.
    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=232617

    ExJerz says:
    November 29, 2017 at 8:08 am
    TV might be due for a comeback….The internet is dying.

    Sure, technically, the internet still works. Pull up Facebook on your phone and you will still see your second cousin’s baby pictures. But that isn’t really the internet. It’s not the open, anyone-can-build-it network of the 1990s and early 2000s, the product of technologies created over decades through government funding and academic research, the network that helped undo Microsoft’s stranglehold on the tech business and gave us upstarts like Amazon, Google, Facebook and Netflix.

    Nope, that freewheeling internet has been dying a slow death — and a vote next month by the Federal Communications Commission to undo net neutrality would be the final pillow in its face.

  49. joyce says:

    I don’t know if you’re being deliberately obtuse or if this is the best you can offer.

    Fabius Maximus says:
    November 29, 2017 at 10:06 am
    LW, if it’s done with after tax income I don’t have an issue.

  50. Nomad says:

    Steam, Thanks

  51. Steamturd, Part Time Orientalist and Full Time Mysoginist says:

    No problem. Brakes suck. I used to do everything on my car myself. But brakes. Need too much specialized equipment anyhow.

  52. Comrade Nom Deplorable, surfacing for air says:

    Now Garrison Keillor.

    I have yet to be accused of sexual impropriety. I don’t know whether I should feel proud about that or insignificant.

  53. Comrade Nom Deplorable, surfacing for air says:

    Joyce,

    “Nope, that freewheeling internet has been dying a slow death”

    A certain IT administrator who posts here often told me about search engines he uses. Not the usual google/bing/yahoo sort. I am guessing he does it because it readily appears that the majors not only steer, they suppress.

  54. dentss dunnigan says:

    An open letter to Congress from over 100 economists: Pass tax reform and watch the economy roar ….https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/d1ef633c-52c5-37e3-9700-65fd3f17d48d/ss_an-open-letter-to-congress.html

  55. Steamturd, Part Time Orientalist and Full Time Mysoginist says:

    The stock market will roar for a very short period of time. Then it will implode. Only now, we have another 1.3 trillion to pay off. Want to see the economy fly? Just give every USA resident $4049.84! Trust me, it will work a lot better.

  56. Juice Box says:

    Andy Rubin from google also caught grabbing ass.

  57. leftwing says:

    “The line is indeed thin. Proceed accordingly.”

    I now view, unfortunately, interacting with any woman in a professional capacity as the equivalent of flying a kite in a thunderstorm. Not something I need to do and fraught with danger.

    I was involved in a business that dealt with youth. Very clear lines were well established – never be in a room with a youth alone, never discuss anything other than the specific topic at hand, never drive someone else’s youth in your vehicle alone, etc. I am using the exact same parameters for women now. Think of something as simple as a group after work outing. What professional in his right mind would now find himself alone at the bar with a female? Share a cab to Penn Station? Not me.

    Anyone not adopting this attitude is either a fool or has no money or reputation to lose.

  58. Steamturd, Part Time Orientalist and Full Time Mysoginist says:

    I’m actually feeling kind of lonely these days. I’ve always been in positions of power, but never took advantage of it. Lots of interns (and Frosh) too.

  59. Steamturd, Part Time Orientalist and Full Time Mysoginist says:

    Remember…the great pussification. It continues unchecked.

  60. leftwing says:

    I wish I were still employed in a major corporate. I miss one of my favorite past times – fcuking with HR for sport. What opportunities here…..

    Go to HR and request ‘separate but equal’ resources due to the unclear lines and potential for liability (for the company, of course). On a flight with a female colleague? I want two separate rental cars, not going travel alone with a female. Or indemnify me.

    Or, put together a list of acceptable/unacceptable behaviors. If we are in a car together with the radio on Sirius Classic Alternative and the music switches from REM to the Nails “88 lines about 44 women” (google it) what do I do? Is it sexual harassment if I acknowledge it? If I don’t? If I change the station? If I don’t? What if she’s driving, not me?

    Please provide an exhaustive list covering all reasonably possible situations and the required response, or ‘separate and equal’ accommodations (expenses), or an indemnification.

    Thank You
    Your Male Employee
    (who you can’t fcuk back because I bring in too much revenue)

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  62. leftwing says:

    Garrison Keillor, on the accusations that just got him fired:

    “I’m 75”, he said, “and I don’t have any interest in arguing about this.”

    LOL.

  63. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “The economist continued: “Unfortunately we are not seriously governed right now. Governance is flakey in this country. How you start out with the idea we can make a gift of one and a half trillion to the super rich for the heck of it is really shocking.“

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/rich-war-poor-world-columbia-university-professor-exploit-tax-resources-money-wealth-a8067621.html

  64. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “He added: “Because our budget deficit is already huge and rising and this is pure populism. An unusual kind of populism. Populism by the super rich. But it’s pure populism.”

    Going on to talk about the $1.5trn tax cut passed by the House of Representatives last week, he said: “We cannot afford tax cuts. The idea that somehow has gotten into our heads in recent weeks that ‘oh, $1.5 trillion, that we can give away’, is unbelievable in any serious country.””

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  66. Daddy Deported says:

    If liberals could load up straight, white, conservative, educated men on concentration camp trains, where would the camp(s) be located? My guess is that they would be sent to Angola prison and the current Angola inmates would be promoted to corrections officer ranks.

    Then they would erect a larger perimeter of feminists equipped with military firepower to keep the guards contained.

  67. Daddy Deported says:

    I just got sued by feminists for sexual harassment for using the word erect.

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  71. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Society as we know it is dead. A new one is being born right before our eyes.

  72. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/video/bitcoin-ought-to-be-outlawed-says-joseph-stiglitz/vi-BBFUrS5

    Joseph Stiglitz says bitcoin should be outlawed. This guy is the ultimate commie.

  73. D-FENS says:

    You win

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    nwnj says:
    November 29, 2017 at 11:49 am
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