Large scale development possible in Jersey?

From Centraljersey.com

Sayreville will build ‘largest mixed-use project in New Jersey history’

Development is moving forward on a 418-acre, $2.5 billion mixed-used development in Sayreville.

Riverton, a mixed-use project that will be located by the Raritan River and total 5 million square feet in size, is being developed by North American Properties, a multi-regional real estate operating and development company in a join venture with PGIM Real Estate.

Due to the scale of the project, which the company said is “considered the largest mixed-use project in New Jersey history,” the date has not been set yet for completion.

Mark Toro, North American Properties managing partner from Atlanta, compared Riverton to Avalon, an 86-acre, $1 billion mixed-use development in Alpharetta, Georgia.

“We create great, walkable places that connect people to each other, cities to their souls, partners to opportunities and individuals to experiences that move them,” Toro said. “We are bringing together a world-leading visionary team to create New Jersey’s next great hometown, advancing the community-building skillsets we developed at Avalon.”

With Riverton, Toro stated such a project has not yet been deployed in the Northeast before.

Among the reasons for having the project at its location in the borough was, according to North American Properties, its proximity to 2 miles of waterfront with access to the Atlantic Ocean and the Driscoll Bridge on the Garden State Parkway, which approximately 372,500 vehicles travel on daily.

The area also receives further activity due being located by Route 9 (a national highway) and Route 35 (a state highway). As a result, the company found that the area provides “unimpeded access” to the New York metropolitan area and its marketplace.

Toro also stated Riverton will be constructed on an undeveloped, vacant space that will function as a “central gathering place” for both New Jersey and New York City, as it will also be located in the center of several New Jersey municipalities.

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98 Responses to Large scale development possible in Jersey?

  1. grim says:

    By the way, the commentary on Drudge this morning about the Zuckerberg testimony is so fucking off-the-mark it’s ridiculous. Make Mark Squirm? What the fuck are you talking about? Mark SCHOOLED the Senate and made nearly all of them look like incoherent baboons. You’ve got to be kidding me, his performance was absolutely flawless and he walked out of the room like a rock star. I’m not sure whether the senate thought they were going to make an example of him, scare him, expose him, catch him in lies, but all they did was expose that the Senate is completely unqualified to legislate privacy and technology, the Senate came out looking like a bunch of idiots, especially the Republicans.

  2. nwnj says:

    Fabius, that was my point. Campaign finance laws are a joke. If that’s what they raided his lawyers office over then it’s desperation. I’m surprised mueller and rosenstein went down that road.

  3. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It really is as simple as that. Like you allude to, we are not alone in our thinking….the density of this state says so.

    Diane says:
    April 10, 2018 at 6:48 pm
    Re The Great Pumpkin – my millennial daughters and their husbands and pretty much all of their friends echo the sentiments you wrote. They acknowledge the high taxes, and know they can live elsewhere for less, but realize the economic and cultural advantages to living here, plus they do not want to raise children in the south, or south west, where property is cheap(er). I have lived in NJ for 20 years, and from the onset, have constantly heard the complaints about taxes, but it is still the most densely populated state in the country. I love NJ, and wish all the complainers would leave, to be honest. They do not realize how good they have it here.

  4. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I thought nj is dying? Why are they investing this much money in a dying state with high taxes?

    grim says:
    April 11, 2018 at 6:46 am
    Sayreville going swanky

    https://experienceriverton.com

  5. D-FENS says:

    I think that referred to Ted Cruz’s line of questioning.

    Coincidentally Diamond and Silk’s “unsafe for the community” tag has now been removed from their page.

    grim says:
    April 11, 2018 at 7:50 am
    By the way, the commentary on Drudge this morning about the Zuckerberg testimony

  6. Hold my beer says:

    How did that 400 acre site do during Sandy? Did it go underwater or is it on a rise?

  7. D-FENS says:

    yeah

    @seanmdav
    13h13 hours ago
    More
    Are you a mildly tech-literate politico horrified by the level of ignorance demonstrated by lawmakers gearing up to regulate online technology they don’t even begin to grasp? Cool. Now you have a tiny glimpse into a day in the life of a gun owner.

  8. D-FENS says:

    Plaform vs Publisher…

    What is Facebook? If Zuckerberg continues to say that they are responsible for the content published on their site, it would make them more like a publisher than a platform. Additionally, if the content they block/remove appears biased, their credibility as a “platform” is diminished.

    I think this is what Senator Cruz was getting at. They may be regulated and defined as a “publisher”…making them liable for the content.

  9. D-FENS says:

    Keep in mind…it’s likely that a majority of news consumed by the American public is received on Facebook or other social media platforms.

  10. grim says:

    I think that referred to Ted Cruz’s line of questioning.

    Coincidentally Diamond and Silk’s “unsafe for the community” tag has now been removed from their page.

    You can not implicate FB as being responsible for the actions of users while at the same time screaming about moderation violating Free Speech. These are mutually incompatible.

  11. joyce says:

    I’m watching the whole thing from the beginning right now. Only about 1.5 hours into it and yes it’s glaringly obvious they have no clue.

    grim says:
    April 11, 2018 at 7:23 am
    Yep…

    http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/10/technology/senate-mark-zuckerberg-testimony/index.html

  12. Juice Box says:

    Zuckerberg wasn’t even sworn in and they had him sitting on a booster seat cuz he’s five foot six. The Senate was just sucking up to their donor.

  13. D-FENS says:

    On the one hand, FB is saying that they are a “platform” for content and are agnostic…and are not responsible for the content. However, yesterday Zuckerberg stated he and his company are responsible and monitor and remove content. So, which are they? If they control content…are they a “publisher”?

    Are they liable or are they not?

    I don’t think there’s a right answer…but I suspect that legislators will be drafting legislation that more clearly defines it and the organization’s liability.

    grim says:
    April 11, 2018 at 8:22 am
    I think that referred to Ted Cruz’s line of questioning.

    Coincidentally Diamond and Silk’s “unsafe for the community” tag has now been removed from their page.

    You can not implicate FB as being responsible for the actions of users while at the same time screaming about moderation violating Free Speech. These are mutually incompatible.

  14. joyce says:

    The requisite and expected injection of partisan nonsense into the hearing continues to embarrass our country – but we get what we deserve:

    Sen. Chuck Grassley (who can barely pronounce small words or form a sentence these days) made damn sure he said, [paraphrasing] campaigns including… Obama… developed app similar to … blah blah.

    Sen. Feinstein opening statement and Q&A can be described as… Russia, Russia? Russia!, Russia? No matter his response, her response was Russia.

  15. joyce says:

    SEN. ORRIN HATCH:

    Did any of these individuals ever stop to ask themselves why Facebook and Google didn’t — don’t change — don’t charge for access? Nothing in life is free. Everything involves trade-offs.

    If you want something without having to pay money for it, you’re going to have to pay for it in some other way, it seems to me. And that’s where — what we’re seeing here.

    And these great websites that don’t charge for access — they extract value in some other way. And there’s nothing wrong with that, as long as they’re up-front about what they’re doing.

    To my mind, the issue here is transparency. It’s consumer choice. Do users understand what they’re agreeing to — to when they access a website or agree to terms of service? Are websites up-front about how they extract value from users, or do they hide the ball?

    Do consumers have the information they need to make an informed choice regarding whether or not to visit a particular website? To my — to my mind, these are questions that we should ask or be focusing on.

    Now, Mr. Zuckerberg, I remember well your first visit to Capitol Hill, back in 2010. You spoke to the Senate Republican High-Tech Task Force, which I chair. You said back then that Facebook would always be free.

    Is that still your objective?

    ZUCKERBERG: Senator, yes. There will always be a version of Facebook that is free. It is our mission to try to help connect everyone around the world and to bring the world closer together.

    In order to do that, we believe that we need to offer a service that everyone can afford, and we’re committed to doing that.

    HATCH: Well, if (ph) so, how do you sustain a business model in which users don’t pay for your service?

    ZUCKERBERG: Senator, we run ads.

    HATCH: I see. That’s great.

    ————

    Hahahahahha. Oh, he started out so well.

  16. No One says:

    NJ’s own Corey Booker sounded like the race and class obsessed guy that he is.
    I only listened to about 30 minutes of it 5:30 to 6.
    Zuckerberg sounded ok, not great, sounded like he was trying to please everyone like a politician, have his cake and eat it too. Free speech yes, hate speech no, but who decides what’s hate speech? AI and a bunch of newly hired undergrads/Infosys employees? We don’t sell your data, we sell access to our knowledge of your data. We used to let you collect data about your friends and bring that into third party apps, and you agreed to that in the footnotes of your agreement, so we did nothing wrong, but now we decided that’s wrong and totally changed that part, so it was wrong and we are against that now, but we did nothing wrong. And hey I’m a funny and likeable guy – look at these professionally staged photos of me running and playing with my dog! Just like you!

  17. Alex says:

    Famous quote from Mark Zuckerberg regarding Facebook users:

    “They trust me. Dumb f*cks.”

  18. Juice Box says:

    Zuckerbergs Booster Seat.
    https://i.redd.it/zriccvaf15r01.jMarkpg

  19. Juice Box says:

    I have been posting about the Sayreville site for a few years now, there are no more bulldozers practicing pushing dirt around anymore. I guess that money to impress investors dried up, is this project funded? I haven’t heard that it is.

  20. Yo! says:

    That Sayreville site has been vacant for 35 years and nothing has happened. But PGIM is a heavyweight and their involvement increases the odds something gets built there.

    Good brokers won’t be put out of business by technology. Amazon, a technology company with a large in house real estate staff, routinely uses brokers when looking for new warehouse locations.

  21. joyce says:

    Lindsey Graham continues to be a piece of sh!t, above and beyond his ignorance of Fb and the internet.

    He can’t comprehend the difference between marketplace interactions and the invented boogeyman of self-regulation. Then he asks if Zuckerberg would help potentially craft regulation… as if that wouldn’t just be indirect self-regulation, moron.

  22. chicagofinance says:

    I have no formed opinion about Booker……surprisingly, I have only really ever seen in him in sound bites….. that said, I was absolutely shocked that he seemed overwhelmed by the moment when asking his questions of Zuckerberg. He really is unpolished….. he should make a career out of being Senator and leave it there. he does not have the presence that evokes confidence of the electorate. Disappointing, although I can do without his race baiting crap. he is not even Obama-lite

    No One says:
    April 11, 2018 at 9:18 am
    NJ’s own Corey Booker sounded like the race and class obsessed guy that he is.
    I only listened to about 30 minutes of it 5:30 to 6.

  23. Libturd questioning the gender of Hillary's Cankle fluid. says:

    Grim,

    Since we are helping Gator’s brother move out, we have driven past Riverton a lot lately. They seemed to have stopped pushing the dirt around and the weeds are growing back. I wouldn’t be surprised if this one never gets started. Perhaps, they’ll build another gigantic ministry like the one that is already there? As for flooding fears? I think it is elevated enough to not cause tidal surge issues.

    Personally, there’s industry all around and the GSP and Route 9 must make an awful lot of road noise. Why would anyone want to live there? The only decent amenities nearby is the XXXV Gentleman’s Club and the sinking movie theater.

  24. The Great Pumpkin says:

    They killed the mega mall idea and switched it to mixed use waterfront pedestrian model at the end of 2017. New partner in the project convinced the team to rethink the mega mall concept.

    “We can no longer just lease space to retailers who just sell stuff. They will fail and we will fail,” said the new partner’s Mark Toro.

    Juice Box says:
    April 11, 2018 at 9:26 am
    I have been posting about the Sayreville site for a few years now, there are no more bulldozers practicing pushing dirt around anymore. I guess that money to impress investors dried up, is this project funded? I haven’t heard that it is.

  25. Juice Box says:

    The dirt moving and the pc pipes and surveyor markouts are all to impress investors to invest. This project ain’t funded it took government intervention to for a third time in a NJ mall project Xanadu aka Canadu.

  26. Libturd questioning the gender of Hillary's Cankle fluid. says:

    So which comes first Blumpy?

    Riverton or Wage growth?

  27. Libturd questioning the gender of Hillary's Cankle fluid. says:

    I call it Xanadon’t.

  28. 3b says:

    Lib Ask Diane she will know the answer.

  29. Californicator says:

    I think NJ like every other state is trying to “handle their shit” unfortunately like almost every other place incompetence and cronyism continue to win. Will it ever change? No idea. But the simple fact that most of America is completely retarded, greedy, and arrogantly misinformed should scare you more than ever….

  30. Californicator says:

    …at least in Jersey you can blame the water….other states don’t have that excuse.

  31. Bystander says:

    3b,

    …or Lurks McGee. I think that it Blumps other agreeing alter ego.

  32. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Genius, I bet you think I posted under the name Diane. You can’t comprehend that people willingly choose to live in nj and enjoy it because you are so obsessed with hating on nj. There are lots of people like me living in nj and loving it. Amazing that negativity prevents you from seeing this.

    Grim can confirm, I don’t post under other handles.

    3b says:
    April 11, 2018 at 10:11 am
    Lib Ask Diane she will know the answer.

  33. Fast Eddie says:

    But the simple fact that most of America is completely retarded, greedy, and arrogantly misinformed should scare you more than ever….

    Who controls the narrative?

  34. Californicator says:

    Wut?

  35. Juice Box says:

    Riverton AKA The Pointe AKA Luxury Pointe has been ongoing since 2007……

    Old promotional Video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG1m81dWfuY

    the latest video…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1n6qfs8AdU&feature=youtu.be

    The orginal project was started in 2007 tens of millions pumped into cleaning/capping the lead contamination etc.

    Was supposed to be 2.2 Billion dollar project…Prudential was the original investor, then O’Neill Properties bought them out in 2008, now they had to bring in PGIM Real Estate after losing tens of millions.

    Orginal Plan was something like this.

    1.2 million square feet of retail space; 2,000 upscale waterfront townhomes and luxury apartments; 32,000 square feet of Class A office space; and 1,250 hotel rooms. Additional community amenities will include a 45,000-square-foot community and fitness center, a 9,700-square-foot facility for fire and EMS services and a 10,000-square-foot performing arts center, as well as a rooftop solar farm.

  36. JCer says:

    The site would have been built years ago and Sayreville would have been enjoying tax revenue if they didn’t insist on disneyworld being built there. My late father and his partners put together a proposal to redevelop and cleanup that site 20 years ago, I even think they even had an agreement with the mega-pastor to relocate. They wanted to do industrial, warehouses and light manufacturing. Their contention was the site was far too polluted and in way too congested area to really be attractive for anything else. They were going to build it without any government subsidy or pilot. When they chose the mall proposal my Dad told me they, being the government and the other developers didn’t understand just how contaminated that site was, they’d never get it totally clean and the idea of having large groups of people there was very questionable. The thought that people will actually be living there is very questionable.

    The problem in NJ IS the government, they really have no clue how to run things and think taxes are the answer. We should scrap on income tax code and just use PA’s tax code, I think with analysis we’d see the tax revenue wouldn’t change but we would be a more appealing state for the wealthy, we then need to cut state government expenses and kill the Abbott program, lets hand out vouchers in the urban cities to see if we can destroy the public school system in places like Newark, they are past reprieve, you could give them a billion dollars and it would go up in smoke in 6 months and the kids still wouldn’t be able to read.

    Pumpkin yes the current scenario makes sense for some people to live here but how long does that last? How long can the government keep squeezing blood from a stone? Once NJ is no longer regionally competitive the businesses leave, the rich leave, and the welfare state explodes….please look at CT and one point it was the undisputed choice for the wealthy, you had big business, hedge funds and everyone in between opening their doors and doing business. NJ and CT are the same place rich suburbanites, good schools, formerly low taxed havens within commuting distance of NYC, poor urban centers,now they are high tax h*llholes.

  37. Bystander says:

    I picture Blump in a basement surrounded by hand puppets, each stating what an economic genius he is.

  38. Juice Box says:

    More on the cleanup AKA capping of the lead paint quicksand….You can now hurry up and buy your Hoboken like condo there and take your Chris-Craft Boat to Manhattan for work…..

    “We were unaware of the depth and consistency of the material that was in the lagoon,” Mr. O’Neill Jr., 29, said. “In some places it turned out to be 10 feet thick of this acidic paintlike substance, like quicksand.”

    The solution was to inject 38,000 tons of portland cement into hundreds of cells in the lagoon, an operation that took a year and a half and has now created a stable site where Bass Pro Shops can build. Remediation on other parts of the site is continuing, and some environmental permits are still pending, Mr. O’Neill Jr. said.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/09/realestate/commercial/a-project-reclaims-an-abandoned-stretch-of-new-jersey-coast.html

  39. 3b says:

    Pumps I ain’t buying it. All of a sudden we have Diane show up last night who moved to NJ 20 years ago for the opportunity. Now Diane has millennial children who stay here because of the opportunities. Yes Diane and her children acknowledge the high taxes but it’s the price you pay. And Diane s children don’t want to move to the south or the southwest or anywhere else blah blah.

    Sorry Pumps it’s just too much of a coincidence that Diane shows up. You are Diane and possibly Lurks too.

  40. Fast Eddie says:

    NJ and CT are the same place rich suburbanites, good schools, formerly low taxed havens within commuting distance of NYC, poor urban centers,now they are high tax h*llholes

    Solution? Elect a governor who wants to raise more taxes.

  41. 4b 3b z5 says:

    3b,

    This is Diane, Lurks and Pumps at tea with crumpets

    https://youtu.be/h6E-xjxAM4s

  42. LurksMcGee says:

    3B,

    There are some things I agree with Pumpkin on. Other things, not so much.

    Like living on a double yellow line road. (I couldn’t help it)

  43. JCer says:

    Yes the acid pit, nobody really knows what was in the pit. My dad and his partners were brownfield developers and if there is one thing experience tells you in that business was that old industrial sites are dangerous places to go digging you’ll never know what it is you’ll find. A hundred years ago the solution for getting rid of industrial waste was sealing it in a steel drum, digging a hole and burying it…if you were lucky…if you were unlucky they just threw it in a swamp or dumped it straight into the ground. In the case of an acid pit like the one NL had next to the parkway, one has no idea what else was thrown in there by any number of the industrial operators in the past hundred years. My dad even though it was quite likely there was radioactive contamination in the pit. The people living there might grow permanent orange afro’s from the contamination, high end residential on a superfund site…only in NJ does that fly!

  44. JCer says:

    Yes Eddie, welcome to the apocalypse people truly are that stupid. Did anyone think the millionaires in NY, NJ, and CT couldn’t just relocate for 6 months to FL and eliminate a huge tax liability? Phil Murphy might as well be one of the horsemen of the apocalypse. Gov Murphy and Malloy are too busy planning how free Community College, bike lanes and huge tax increases are the road to prosperity!

  45. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Diane’s first post involves wanting everyone to leave.

  46. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Diane’s children can move to Portland of Seattle

  47. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Grim can confirm, I don’t post under other handles.

    You admitted you posted under “Lost”. Typically, a good liar needs to keep their stories straight. Basically, anyone willing to talk to you in a positive manner is you. Even anon & Fabius don’t bother defending you.

  48. Libturd questioning the gender of Hillary's Cankle fluid. says:

    “possibly Lurks too”

    LurksMcGee is too creative of a name for the Great Blumpkin.

  49. joyce says:

    couldn’t just relocate for 6 months to FL and eliminate a huge tax liability?

    JCer,
    Would you happen to know off the top of your head if someone wants to declare FL (or other state) as their official residence but doesn’t spend 6+ months there because they spend e.g. 5 months there, 4 months in another state and 3 months in a 3rd state… if that’s ok?

  50. Hold my beer says:

    Pumps using 2 aliases is not the kind of threesome anyone would be interested in

  51. chicagofinance says:

    A couple of items regarding this project at Sayreville….

    The GSP exit ramps and interchanges are already 80% or more built out. Once you go down The Shore for the first time this season, you will see all the work that has been done.

    Part of the discussion around the populace for this site relates to New York City. However, NYC is code for Staten Island. Essentially the assumption is that anyone over there will consider this destination as #1 over anything else. The way the developers refer to these people is completely out of step with their identity. Without saying it explicitly, the plan is the mouthbreathers have inflated real estate values and wages that are in line with this area…… so you can have a family of 4 with mom/dad, son & daughter in the household living home in their 20’s from Staten Island. It is not crazy to think this group can pull down $250,000-$350,000 as 4 adults. They will spend that wad at Riverton……. a bunch of tatted up dreck….. yeech, but this thing may work. I don’t know whether I can ever set foot there though…..

  52. D-FENS says:

    Steve Scalise questioning of Zuck

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGEWvRE9vSY

    Scalise is a Computer Science major

  53. D-FENS says:

    Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act

    What if Facebook is in fact favoring content….are they no longer a neutral party providing a platform?

    https://www.eff.org/issues/cda230

    Section 230 says that “No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider” (47 U.S.C. § 230). In other words, online intermediaries that host or republish speech are protected against a range of laws that might otherwise be used to hold them legally responsible for what others say and do. The protected intermediaries include not only regular Internet Service Providers (ISPs), but also a range of “interactive computer service providers,” including basically any online service that publishes third-party content. Though there are important exceptions for certain criminal and intellectual property-based claims, CDA 230 creates a broad protection that has allowed innovation and free speech online to flourish.

    This legal and policy framework has allowed for YouTube and Vimeo users to upload their own videos, Amazon and Yelp to offer countless user reviews, craigslist to host classified ads, and Facebook and Twitter to offer social networking to hundreds of millions of Internet users. Given the sheer size of user-generated websites (for example, Facebook alone has more than 1 billion users, and YouTube users upload 100 hours of video every minute), it would be infeasible for online intermediaries to prevent objectionable content from cropping up on their site. Rather than face potential liability for their users’ actions, most would likely not host any user content at all or would need to protect themselves by being actively engaged in censoring what we say, what we see, and what we do online. In short, CDA 230 is perhaps the most influential law to protect the kind of innovation that has allowed the Internet to thrive since 1996.

    Link to our infographic illustrating the importance of CDA 230
    Click here for our infographic about the importance of CDA 230.

    CDA 230 also offers its legal shield to bloggers who act as intermediaries by hosting comments on their blogs. Under the law, bloggers are not liable for comments left by readers, the work of guest bloggers, tips sent via email, or information received through RSS feeds. This legal protection can still hold even if a blogger is aware of the objectionable content or makes editorial judgments.

    The legal protections provided by CDA 230 are unique to U.S. law; European nations, Canada, Japan, and the vast majority of other countries do not have similar statutes on the books. While these countries have high levels of Internet access, most prominent online services are based in the United States. This is in part because CDA 230 makes the U.S. a safe haven for websites that want to provide a platform for controversial or political speech and a legal environment favorable to free expression.

  54. Libturd questioning the gender of Hillary's Cankle fluid. says:

    Same crowd that shops at Jersey Gardens might inhabit Riverton is what Chi is saying. And Riverton’s closer proximity to Jersey Gardens than to Xanadon’t might allow JG to survive after Xanadon’t opens. Though I expect Xanadon’t to have that same Belmar crowd (but with a few non-Italian Jerseyites mixed in) as JG attracts.

  55. Fast Eddie says:

    Gee, an awful lot of “follow-up” is needed to Scalise’s questions. Zuck wasn’t aware of an algorithm created to slant the news feeds towards a liberal bias? If Zuck was unaware, maybe he needs to step down as the CEO.

  56. Fast Eddie says:

    Jersey Gardens is far beyond the Belmar crowd. :o

  57. The Great Pumpkin says:

    When are the morally corrupt drunk off greed going to stop running away from their obligation to society?

    JCer says:
    April 11, 2018 at 11:34 am
    Yes Eddie, welcome to the apocalypse people truly are that stupid. Did anyone think the millionaires in NY, NJ, and CT couldn’t just relocate for 6 months to FL and eliminate a huge tax liability? Phil Murphy might as well be one of the horsemen of the apocalypse. Gov Murphy and Malloy are too busy planning how free Community College, bike lanes and huge tax increases are the road to prosperity!

  58. Fast Eddie says:

    When are the morally corrupt drunk off greed going to stop running away from their obligation to society?

    Stop pulling the lever for democrats, dismantle public schools, offer vouchers and alternatives and make town services private, a la carte selections.

  59. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You guys are insane if you think I post under other handles. Just as insane as you are when it comes to nj’s economy dying….delusional. High taxes do not destroy economies as much as you wish it were true. All taxes do is redistribute money. Could it be harmful, sure, but don’t think for a second that a society/economy can not be great under a high tax system.

    3b says:
    April 11, 2018 at 10:50 am
    Pumps I ain’t buying it. All of a sudden we have Diane show up last night who moved to NJ 20 years ago for the opportunity. Now Diane has millennial children who stay here because of the opportunities. Yes Diane and her children acknowledge the high taxes but it’s the price you pay. And Diane s children don’t want to move to the south or the southwest or anywhere else blah blah.

    Sorry Pumps it’s just too much of a coincidence that Diane shows up. You are Diane and possibly Lurks too.

  60. JCer says:

    Pumps it doesn’t matter, they have it and you don’t. Why are they running? If I made a million a year and Murphy wanted to take 11% I’d run too. Think about this for a second if you could move your business across a state line, pay less for everything, deal with far more accommodating government officials, spend the winter in FL and save on taxes to boot would you not? Pumps it’s not about paying a fair share it’s about being fleeced so the so called “Progressive” governor can give money away to voters.

    Joyce the key metric is spending less than 183 days in a given state, it gets hairy but as I understand it there are qualitative tests but they really only come into play when it’s murky, the state the person spends the most time in would be considered the state of residency most likely. Now in practice unless you are rich the most states will not chase a person for income tax if they are there for less than 6 months and their main address and everything is sent to their declared residency. I’m no legal expert I just know a bunch of rich people who have done so, the big test is 183 days, but if I spend 170 days in NJ and 160 days in FL, there is a good argument that I’m still a NJ resident, it can get hairy.

  61. D-FENS says:

    I suppose that’s what Cruz was getting at. If they want section 230 immunity under the CDA, they must NOT be filtering political speech…only offensive content. It may be argued if they did, they are no longer a platform but a content provider…much like a newspaper editor.

    Fast Eddie says:
    April 11, 2018 at 1:07 pm
    Gee, an awful lot of “follow-up” is needed to Scalise’s questions. Zuck wasn’t aware of an algorithm created to slant the news feeds towards a liberal bias? If Zuck was unaware, maybe he needs to step down as the CEO.

  62. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    On the Riverton web site why is “372,500 vehicles per day” a selling point?

    In this other article they claim 600,000 vehicles per day and even more in the Summer.

  63. grim says:

    I’ve let out a ton of information about Facebook moderators.

    They aren’t Infosys employees or IT professionals.

    They are also hiring 10,000 more, to bring the number to 30,000.

  64. The Great Pumpkin says:

    And what are you going to do with the poor, elderly, and people unable to find a job( it’s a fact that there are not enough jobs to go around and def not enough high paying jobs to go around)? Stop blaming democrats for trying address these problems….republicans are the ones who ignore these major issues. They act like if you ignore it, the problem will magically fix itself on the back of the free market. Absolutely morally corrupt.

    Fast Eddie says:
    April 11, 2018 at 1:21 pm
    When are the morally corrupt drunk off greed going to stop running away from their obligation to society?

    Stop pulling the lever for democrats, dismantle public schools, offer vouchers and alternatives and make town services private, a la carte selections.

  65. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Soci@lism works great until you run out of OPM.

    Phil Murphy might as well be one of the horsemen of the apocalypse. Gov Murphy and Malloy are too busy planning how free Community College, bike lanes and huge tax increases are the road to prosperity!

  66. Libturd questioning the gender of Hillary's Cankle fluid. says:

    “society/economy can not be great under a high tax system. ”

    Oh it can. But you NEED to tax the wealthy too. Under our current system, you don’t. And it’s set up that way.

  67. Libturd questioning the gender of Hillary's Cankle fluid. says:

    Intentionally.

  68. Californicator says:

    1:21 no more school for you Timmy…

  69. Californicator says:

    Bootstraps People…we need bigger ones we need better ones. If the kids want a future then let them serve the Country and learn to throat punch those commies.

  70. JCer says:

    Lib, to quote Leona Helmsley, taxes are for the little people. The more we push a complex tax code the easier it is for the wealthy to develop tax avoidance strategies. If you want everyone to pay make the top tax rates even lower and eliminate all deductions until then tax attorneys will always figure out how to exploit the loopholes.

  71. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Bingo!

    That’s why I can’t comprehend why people defend the rich and the ultra cheap taxes they pay, but claim otherwise. If they are so f’en overtaxed, how the fu!k did you accrue millions or billions of dollars? Overtaxed my a$$, biggest myth out there. People simply drunk off greed, entitled, and feel they should not have to pay taxes and keep every got damn dollar. They then blackmail the taxpayers by threatening to leave when the bill is due.

    These people are nothing more than selfish criminals.

    Libturd questioning the gender of Hillary’s Cankle fluid. says:
    April 11, 2018 at 1:41 pm
    “society/economy can not be great under a high tax system. ”

    Oh it can. But you NEED to tax the wealthy too. Under our current system, you don’t. And it’s set up that way.

  72. A Home Buyer says:

    Obviously starting the additional taxes with dual income financial analyst households with rental properties who are absolutely killing it in New Jersey.

  73. chicagofinance says:

    You don’t have to be that rich to have NJ come after you, and it is becoming easier for them to build a case that you are an NJ resident. Where do you spend Thanksgiving, Christmas, other major holidays? Where are your doctors, dentists, other personal services providers? They can and will subpeona your EZPass records.

    JCer says:
    April 11, 2018 at 1:24 pm
    Now in practice unless you are rich the most states will not chase a person for income tax if they are there for less than 6 months and their main address and everything is sent to their declared residency. I’m no legal expert I just know a bunch of rich people who have done so, the big test is 183 days, but if I spend 170 days in NJ and 160 days in FL, there is a good argument that I’m still a NJ resident, it can get hairy.

  74. Yo! says:

    Every year, I get a bill for underpaid taxes from NJ Treasury, citing the reconciliation of credits with NY State. I work in NY. Usually a couple hundred bucks so I just paid it.

    This year I got a bill for $8,000 saying I underpaid 2010 taxes. So I fought it, sent in my 3 2010 tax returns (US, NJ, NY), and a few weeks later got a corrected bill saying I owed $80 which I paid.

    WTF?

    I never get these bills from NY State.

  75. Bagholder says:

    ‘The U.S. government ran a $209 billion budget deficit in March as outlays grew and receipts fell, the Treasury Department said on Wednesday.’

    Didn’t see this mentioned.

  76. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Let’s start with incomes over a million a year first. If you are not paying 50% or more on an income of a million dollars or more a year, you are the problem! How many of these bastards are not even paying 20% on this income made from passive investments? Criminal.

    Just pass it all down to the upper middle class worker busting their a$$ and carrying society….biggest sucker in this game.

    Workers get forced to pay taxes automatically out of their paycheck. All these business fu!ks crying poverty from the so called high taxes hide how much of their earnings? Enough is enough, just pay what you are supposed to pay instead of passing the buck onto middle class workers. So messed up, yet nobody talks about this. Just cry that taxes are too high.

    A Home Buyer says:
    April 11, 2018 at 2:39 pm
    Obviously starting the additional taxes with dual income financial analyst households with rental properties who are absolutely killing it in New Jersey.

  77. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “If we were jacking the deficit to help out people who need it, you wouldn’t hear a peep from me. Instead, the GOP is jacking the deficit to give tax breaks to the wealthiest 1%. No thanks. Vote ’em out in 2018 and 2020.”

    “Right? If we were fixing schools and giving people homes the repubs would riot. But give the corps their payday and its all hunky dory. Traitors to the American people the whole lot of them.”

    https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/8bjdot/us_government_posts_209_billion_deficit_in_march/

  78. A Home Buyer says:

    You make double to triple my household income.

    Shut up and pay your fair share of my rebates and stamps.

    (Proverbial speaking of course. I no longer live there.)

  79. No One says:

    Why should anyone have the majority of their marginal earnings taken from them? By what ethical standard?
    I’d like to hear the opinions of Pumpkin, Dianne, and Lurks

  80. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Grim,

    Is there anyway to confirm that I’m not posting under these other handles?

  81. A Home Buyer says:

    If you post from your home computer, cell phone, and work computer you could appear as independent individuals.

    Troll.

  82. Californicator says:

    Now About that Blue Wave I predicted:

    When House Speaker Paul Ryan told his colleagues on Wednesday that he would retire at the end of the year, he signaled what many Republicans are already thinking: Midterm elections will be rough for the GOP if it wants to keep its majority.

    Ryan insisted he did not think vulnerable congressional seats and close races were “going to hinge on whether Paul Ryan is speaker or not.”

    “I gave it some consideration, but I really do not believe whether I stay or go in 2019 is going to affect a person’s individual race for Congress,” Ryan said. “Look, if we do our jobs — which we are — we’re going to be fine as a majority.”

    But the feeling is not mutual for some Republicans.

  83. 3b says:

    Cal I would not be so sure of that blue wave!!

  84. 3b says:

    Pumps you are definitely Diane and more than likely lurks.

  85. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You are sick.

    Let’s use this as an example.

    “The 2016 nominal median income per capita was $31,099. The mean income per capita was $46,550.”

    If you make a million or more a year, look at how much more you are making than the avg. We will use the median since that’s more accurate in this case. At the 1 million mark, you make 32 times what the avg individual makes. So at 50% tax rate, you are still left with 500,000 which is 16 times more than the avg individual before they even pay a dime of taxes.

    Your type doesn’t want to see a better society for all, instead you want a flat tax that applies to all masked in the idea of equality. The only thing your thought process seems to miss is that your pay is not anywhere near equal. When you are making that kind of money, you can throw the rest of society a bone by paying a higher percentage of your earnings?

    No One says:
    April 11, 2018 at 4:13 pm
    Why should anyone have the majority of their marginal earnings taken from them? By what ethical standard?
    I’d like to hear the opinions of Pumpkin, Dianne, and Lurks

  86. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Just think how much it costs to higher the people to help you dodge taxes. For as much as this help costs, these guys still do it. Why? Because they are saving so much that they can pay these costs. They think they are getting over on the govt, when in reality they are just getting over on their fellow citizens that make much less than them. The govt is nothing more than the people, when you pull shady moves to avoid your tax bill, you are just screwing over your fellow citizen.

  87. Yo! says:

    Governor Murphy paid $5,950,000 for his Middletown house in 1998. Any idea what that would fetch today 20 years later?

  88. Californicator says:

    ….the people will always prevail….

    -Milton Friedman

  89. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Pumps – why don’t you just work hard and get yourself up to $1 million per year. Then you can voluntarily pay as much tax as you need to make yourself feel good. Step 1 – study hard and get that GED.

  90. Lurks McGee says:

    This is going to be tough while trying NOT to sound like Pumpkin but here goes.

    While I don’t think someone’s “hard earned” money should be taxed heavily, I also dont think the WAY money earned is equal. Sure, you could risk a lot by earning on your investments, but I’d wager that thosr earnings should be taxed MORE than current rates and even wages.

    To Pumpkin’s point, it is a disservice to society as a whole. Many ridiculously wealthy people realize this at the end of the game and give it all away at the end. In reality, it’d be better if they just gave it away over time in the form of taxes to ensure better roads, schools, etc. The efficacy of government is a separate conversation though.

    I’m prepared for the firing squad and I don’t live on a double yellow road.

  91. Californicator says:

    It puts the lotion on

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