Shut it down

From the WSJ:

New Jersey Faces Possible Government Shutdown

A government shutdown is still looming in New Jersey after several days of budget negotiations between Gov. Phil Murphy and state lawmakers.

The state government could close at midnight Sunday if Mr. Murphy, a Democrat, and the leaders of the state legislature are unable to reach an agreement. On Thursday, Mr. Murphy rejected a revenue-raising proposal floated by state Senate President Steve Sweeney, who had suggested taxing short-term property rentals, as “a straight shot to the gut of the middle class” that would target families vacationing at the New Jersey shore.

Still, Mr. Murphy said he was optimistic the two sides could strike a deal.

“I don’t want the state to shut down,” Mr. Murphy said. “But everything has to be on the table.”

Mr. Murphy and Mr. Sweeney both want to increase state spending in next fiscal year’s budget for public schools, public-employee pensions and NJ Transit but are in disagreement over how to raise the revenue to pay for it. Mr. Murphy wants to raise the state sales tax to 7% from 6.625% and increase income taxes on millionaires.

Mr. Sweeney, a Democrat, doesn’t support increasing those taxes. On Wednesday he said raising the sales tax would disproportionately burden the poor, while a millionaire’s tax could cause wealthy residents to leave the state.

“Honestly all these taxes really, really bother the hell out of me,” he said.

In lieu of Mr. Murphy’s tax proposals, Mr. Sweeney wants to raise the state’s business tax rate. On Wednesday he also suggested the tax on short-term rentals and increasing the state’s realty-transfer tax to 2% from 1% on homes valued at more than $1 million.

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96 Responses to Shut it down

  1. Hold my beer says:

    Once the shut down ends, won’t the workers get paid for their down time? They’ll basically get extra paid vacation time

  2. grim says:

    House always wins.

  3. Very Stable Genius says:

    @tribelaw

    A president under active criminal investigation of whether he won legitimately and whether he has obstructed that very investigation should not be permitted by a mere Senate majority to designate the justice whose votes could prove pivotal to the fate of his presidency.

  4. grim says:

    Nonsense.

  5. grim says:

    The comments on that tweet read like some of the most absurd tinfoil hat conspiracy theory I ever heard.

    Trump forced Kennedy to resign? Kennedy was in cahoots with Trump because his banker son may have done business with a Trump company in the past?

    Come on.

  6. Very Stable Genius says:

    @Chaya_Sarah

    Sir, hope you’re looking at the latest reporting about the connections linking Justice Kennedy’s son, Deutsche Bank, and DJT. People need to take note, and refuse to let the GOP approve any SCOTUS nominee until Mueller’s investigation concludes.

  7. Leftwing says:

    The Left have totally lost it. Hilarious to watch.

    With all their hysteria everyone should remember that the Repubs ability to jam this through with only a majority is compliments of the Dems.

    Harry Reid pushed through the change from super majority to simple majority for federal appointees in 2013 over the strident objections of then minority leader McConnell, lol.

    This fact is driving the more intelligent and informed Libs absolutely bat sh1t crazy, especially the far left.

    Without Reid and the Dems neither Gorsuch nor this upcoming appointment would occur.

  8. grim says:

    Breaking news on Twitter.

    Democrats urge Muller to investigate whether or not Trump did, in fact, make a pact with the Devil on the boardwalk in Atlantic City in 1984. Democrats believe that this Satanic Pact is still in force today, and is in direct conflict with the Emoluments Clause, putting Trump in violation of Federal Law.

  9. grim says:

    Democrats exercising the nuclear option during the Obama era may be the single most damaging political mistake ever made.

    Their short sightedness is astounding.

    I suspect the Republicans will reverse this decision after Trump makes his appointments.

  10. grim says:

    God forbid Ginsberg has a health issue and steps down, because then Trump would potentially be the most influential president in recent history, creating a conservative supreme court to last at least the next 3 decades.

    All because the democrats…

  11. 30 year realtor says:

    Leftwing, did not buy Mendham property. Chose not to bid.

  12. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Republicans should be very very scared. Remember the crazies during the Obama years(example—birther movement in which trump was prominent figure in this insane movement). Well those crazies led to the election of Donald trump destroying whatever semblance was left of the Republican Party. I don’t even know what the Republican Party even represents anymore since Trump hijacked it.

    Point is, some crazy lefty is going to come out of this and hijack the Democratic Party. It’s inevitable. Trump is just baiting and baiting these people to the point that they are becoming extremists. This individual will win the presidential election and swing our country in the complete opposite of trump.

    This extreme partisan division is bad news for the country. We need moderates as opposed to crazy extremists. Too much change, too quickly.

  13. 3b hsd says:

    If Muller and co have something it’s time to let the American people know. It’s just going down one rabbit hole after another with nothing. In the meantime Trump has every right as President to carry out his responsibilities including appointing a new Supreme Court Justice. So if Muller has something real now is the time to disclose it.

  14. Very Stable Genius says:

    @Davidgreenwald

    Trump’s campaign manager
    owed millions to a Russian oligarch
    and gave him campaign updates
    and changed the RNC Ukraine policy
    while Russia was hacking Trump’s opponent

    this is one of the craziest scandals in U.S. history and we’re not even really talking about it

  15. grim says:

    Crazy lefty hijack the democrats?

    You mean like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez?

    Sorry bud, already there.

  16. 3b says:

    Screwed up my name on that one. It’s Friday!

  17. grim says:

    If Mueller had something, he would.

  18. Mike S says:

    There is no moderate party left at the federal level.

    State & local has plenty of moderates, but I now see the lefties on facebook going nuts about young politicians who love bernie sanders.

  19. Very Stable Genius says:

    all because her emails

    grim says:
    June 29, 2018 at 8:44 am
    God forbid Ginsberg has a health issue and steps down, because then Trump would potentially be the most influential president in recent history, creating a conservative supreme court to last at least the next 3 decades.

    All because the democrats…

  20. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It’s happening right before our eyes.

    The America I grew up in is dead and gone. Neither democrats or republicans represent the parties I grew up with.

    grim says:
    June 29, 2018 at 8:51 am
    Crazy lefty hijack the democrats?

    You mean like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez?

    Sorry bud, already there.

  21. Very Stable Genius says:

    @nytimes

    “For me, democratic soci@lism is about — really, the value for me is that I believe that in a modern, moral and wealthy society, no person in America should be too poor to live,”

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez told Stephen Colbert

  22. grim says:

    Compromise and centrism is failure according to both parties now.

    The far left and far right both agree on this point, there can be ZERO COMPROMISE.

  23. grim says:

    It would be better if she was from Venezuela or Cuba, they seem to be much better at creating “socialist” dictators.

  24. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Grim,

    You nailed it! How does this not end in disaster?

    It’s like you have two kids. They are siblings, same family and same team. Neither will compromise on their beliefs for this family. How does this family continue to exist?

    Obama and trump fueled this breakup of our family. Our country was not ready for a black president, it has had severe consequences and trump is evidence of that.

  25. 3b says:

    Wealthy elite Liberals love poor people as long as they have don’t have to live with them.

  26. nwnj says:

    You can tell the open borders soci@list face of the Democrat party has no experience. She claims her values are American. Guess she forgot to say Central American. Good luck with that. Better off with the old hag calling the shots.

  27. Fast Eddie says:

    “I believe that in a modern, moral, and wealthy society, no person in America should be too poor to live,” Ocasio-Cortez said.

    The mindset of a submissive and lazy man.

  28. D-FENS says:

    NJ shutdown: Al Gore, Democratic stars ride to rescue Phil Murphy in Trenton budget battle

    https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/columnists/charles-stile/2018/06/28/shutdown-phil-murphy-enlists-elite-democrats/742980002/

    OMG I love this line:

    “Sweeney, the ex-iron worker and bouncer, is not likely to be easily moved by the moral authority of an Al Gore tweet. “

  29. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    This is the lefts own doing. They we’re warned by libertarians of expanding government power and they thumbed their noses at everyone. Then they alineated everyone, lost the house, Senate, and presidency. Now they are witnessing the monster they created.

  30. grim says:

    Al Gore has moral authority?

  31. nwnj says:

    Can’t these imbiciles on the left make the connection between open borders and lower standard of living for minorities? Willful ignorance or stupidity?

  32. Ex-Essex says:

    Why squawk about the left other than just to sound like a bunch of imbeciles ?

  33. D-FENS says:

    There is no “right” in NJ anymore. They control the legislature, the executive and judicial branches in NJ. The GOP and politically “right” are gone. None of them are left to complain about.

  34. Ex-Essex says:

    You won…the GOP can burn the whole place down. Bets on when the Recession hits and how many will be affected.

  35. nwnj says:

    ESx, it’s amusement. When trump was on the rise with his populist tone, I commented that he was a greater risk to the Democrat structure than he was to the republican. So called pundits and abject mor0ns such as anon didn’t get it. They do now but the party is imploding.

  36. Ex-Essex says:

    I repeat….the idiots (you) won. So stop the bitching. Fools.

  37. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    If we were all GOP cheerleaders, you’d have a point. There’s a difference between loathing the left and supporting the right.

  38. Ex-Essex says:

    Once again your logic is off .

  39. grim says:

    Really wondering if the Republicans should reverse the nuclear option rule.

    Would make a fairly strong pro-America statement.

  40. Orwell says:

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

    The New York Times
    April 23, 2015

    Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal

    By Jo Becker and Mike McIntire

    At the heart of the tale are several men, leaders of the Canadian mining industry, who have been major donors to the charitable endeavors of former President Bill Clinton and his family. Members of that group built, financed and eventually sold off to the Russians a company that would become known as Uranium One.

    Beyond mines in Kazakhstan that are among the most lucrative in the world, the sale gave the Russians control of one-fifth of all uranium production capacity in the United States. Since uranium is considered a strategic asset, with implications for national security, the deal had to be approved by a committee composed of representatives from a number of United States government agencies. Among the agencies that eventually signed off was the State Department, then headed by Mr. Clinton’s wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One’s chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.

     And shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, Mr. Clinton received $500,000 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock.

  41. D-FENS says:

    I visited Gettysburg last weekend. Put a copper penny on the Lincoln monument in the national cemetery.

    It made me think…I’m for whatever strengthens the nation that believes individual rights and equality are it’s most important values.

  42. Orwell says:

    America has not changed, but rather common sense has been expunged by donor cash. Trump is the ine still using cimmon sense. Watch this video of Dianne Feinstein stating how our borders must be secured and how illegals are costing Americans billions of dollars. There are similar video clips of Chuck Schumer and others.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lvRZdNoHEf8#

    That securing our borders and deporting illegals has become a “controversial” topic is the real scandal and cause for concern. A country unwilling to protect its borders and culture will cease to exist. Compare immigration laws around the world, they are far more strict (as in 1,000 times more strict) than our laws.

    ———————————–
    The Great Pumpkin says:
    June 29, 2018 at 8:56 am

    It’s happening right before our eyes.

    The America I grew up in is dead and gone. Neither democrats or republicans represent the parties I grew up with.

  43. Ex-Essex says:

    Pumps….you and most of us on the board never “grew up”

  44. grim says:

    Our politics operate just like our media, on sensational sound bites and outrageous ledes.

    I commented on Facebook a few weeks back about taking centrist positions, and was absolutely shredded by ultra-liberals that called me Hitler, and compared centrist politics to allowing Hitler to commit some genocide, you know, as a compromise.

  45. grim says:

    We’ll devolve into civil war.

  46. grim says:

    Err, un-civil war, because America has no idea how to be civil anymore.

  47. grim says:

    So libs can bitch about conservatives destroying the country, and conservatives can bitch about liberals destroying the country, but the truth is, they are both destroying the country.

    The unfortunate truth of the matter is that this is now a race to the bottom, to extremes, on both sides.

  48. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Now go make my supper.

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  49. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    A presidential candidate under active criminal investigation of whether she wonlost legitimately and whether she has obstructed ….

  50. D-FENS says:

    Nobody’s destroying anything. It’s a problem of the mind.

    D-FENS says:
    June 28, 2018 at 3:13 pm
    @normmacdonald
    The idiot sees the world as Good vs Evil. The cynic sees the world as Evil vs Evil. The truth that no one seems able to see is that the world is, and always has been, a battle of Good vs. Good.

  51. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Should be on the top of any form to become a registered Democrat.

    It’s a problem of the mind.

  52. Very Stable Genius says:

    @paulkrugman

    And meanwhile, the tax cut.

    Remember, the story was cut->investment -> larger capital stock -> higher wages.

    So far nothing happening on first link of chain

  53. Very Stable Genius says:

    Gary, you don’t care about minorities. you are panicking cause Privilege free ride can only take you so far. it ain’t what it used to be poor baby
    turn Fox News off and compete in the real world

    nwnj says:
    June 29, 2018 at 9:21 am
    Can’t these imbiciles on the left make the connection between open borders and lower standard of living for minorities? Willful ignorance or stupidity?

  54. Fast Eddie says:

    I am not nwnj.

  55. grim says:

    Having just recently visited the poor countryside of an Asian country, easily considered 3rd world.

    In the grand scheme, being born in America is privilege, period.

  56. Fast Eddie says:

    Gary, you don’t care about minorities.

    Listen, you cunt mother f.ucker, my family put out more money and time for underprivileged kids through their business than all your p.ussy whining f.uck friends combined. My father came from nothing, worked 40 f.ucking years without as much as a whimper and he and my Mom thought about people before anything else. F.uck you. F.uck you and f.uck you.

  57. Fast Eddie says:

    So far nothing happening on first link of chain

    Apple says the new tax law will help it contribute $350 billion to the U.S. economy over the next five years.

    It says it will create 20,000 new jobs and open a new campus.

    Apple expects to pay about $38 billion in taxes for the horde of cash it plans to bring back to the United States.

    That’s one company alone.

  58. yome says:

    God Bless America- Land of the Free

    “Having just recently visited the poor countryside of an Asian country, easily considered 3rd world.

    In the grand scheme, being born in America is privilege, period.”

  59. Very Stable Genius says:

    agreed! yet the extreme right wingers are hellbent on destroying it all

    we won’t let them. ever

    grim says:
    June 29, 2018 at 12:17 pm

    In the grand scheme, being born in America is privilege, period.

  60. D-FENS says:

    Postcard sized 1040EZ forms are the destruction of America…they are a sign of the apocalypse people!

  61. grim says:

    Destruction of H&R Block and Intuit (Turbotax) maybe.

  62. leftwing says:

    “…creating a conservative supreme court to last at least the next 3 decades.”

    “all because her emails”

    All because of Clinton paranoia and hubris…

    Paranoia to constantly need to go outside the rules.

    Hubris to use extraordinary efforts (Comey, June 2016) to sweep it under the rug.

    You would think after decades of paranoia/bad response they would have learned.

    If they didn’t push Comey out there to ‘clear’ her, the constant drumbeat of her emails would have just been background cacophony and she may very well be President.

  63. joyce says:

    grim,
    Do those companies rely on EZ filers for a significant portion of revenue?

  64. D-FENS says:

    Joyce, the article also states the postcard will replace the 1040, 1040A and 1040EZ. I misspoke in my post…

  65. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Here’s something I learned a long time ago. When attacked, before reacting, turn it around and imagine they just said that same thing about themselves. If their comment makes perfect sense directed inward, it probably means nothing directed outward.

    agreed! yet the extreme right wingers are hellbent on destroying it all

    we won’t let them. ever

    grim says:
    June 29, 2018 at 12:17 pm

    In the grand scheme, being born in America is privilege, period.

  66. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I’m in Boston today. Going to enjoy some historical sites on this beautiful day. I’m a lobstered out from Maine. Fireworks on the Harbor tomorrow. Boston does the 4 the better than any city.

  67. nwnj says:

    I should have figured when I mentioned imbiciles it would strike a nerve with anon.

  68. Ex-Essex says:

    America ain’t what it used to be. Or issss it….?!?!?

  69. Ex-Essex says:

    “Imbeciles” is the proper nomenclature

  70. Ex-Essex says:

    Mother Russia … we left that shithole in the 19th Century. Let’s not let them ruin America.

  71. joyce says:

    Yes, you are old.

    The Original NJ ExPat says:
    June 29, 2018 at 2:53 pm
    Here’s something I learned a long time ago. When attacked, before reacting, turn it around and imagine they just said that same thing about themselves. If their comment makes perfect sense directed inward, it probably means nothing directed outward.

  72. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Pumps – Didn’t you grow up with a criminal father who was ultimately deported? Maybe your America was not so hot?

    The America I grew up in is dead and gone.

  73. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    I concur, joyce. I am old. Care to tell us anything about your 2018 Spring Break?

    joyce says:
    June 29, 2018 at 3:22 pm
    Yes, you are old.

  74. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    The funny thing is, Pumps – I just wind him up and watch him jump across the table and fall on the floor. joyce – I just dispatch her easily. Not a fun toy at all.

  75. Very Stable Genius says:

    @abogada_laura

    My 5-yr-old client can’t tell me what country she is from.
    We prepare her case by drawing pictures with crayons of the gang members that would wait outside her school.
    Sometimes she wants to draw ice cream cones and hearts instead.
    She is in deportation proceedings alone.

  76. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Trump is going to get at lest a third SCOTUS nomination. Ginsburg, who you can store in a thimble now, will just wither away into dust on Trump’s re-election.

  77. joyce says:

    As brilliant as you are [sic], surely you can think of something better than that? Waiting to be dispatched … maybe you’ll do it via drunken posts around 3am again.

    The Original NJ ExPat says:
    June 29, 2018 at 3:56 pm
    I concur, joyce. I am old. Care to tell us anything about your 2018 Spring Break?

    joyce says:
    June 29, 2018 at 3:22 pm
    Yes, you are old.

  78. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    You win.

    As brilliant as you are [sic], surely you can think of something better than that? Waiting to be dispatched … maybe you’ll do it via drunken posts around 3am again.

  79. Very Stable Genius says:

    @DanRather

    To give in to despair, to be paralyzed by inaction, is to let them win.
    I’ve seen generations of Americans not give up on our better angels.
    It may take time.
    There will be setbacks.
    But more often than not, the arc of the moral universe bends toward justice.

    #steady #courage

  80. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Dan Rather can’t find boner pills that work anymore.

  81. Very Stable Genius says:

    the Original NJ ExPat and leftwing seem to have a drinking problem?

    who else?

  82. Hold my beer says:

    What’s the frequency Kenneth?

  83. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Jean Rather constantly stocks up on Duracells at Costco.

  84. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    joyce just likes to imagine me drunk. When my uncle used to take me to the Meadowlands he educated me on what a betting opportunity a “class drop” is.

    the Original NJ ExPat and leftwing seem to have a drinking problem?

  85. Very Stable Genius says:

    @MMFlint

    Switching coasts today… I will be on Bill Maher tonight for the season finale of his HBO show. We have much to discuss and things to say that many don’t want to hear. Be not afraid! We will find the portal and take you with us to a world without Trump!

    10pm ET LIVE

  86. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Like, “We’re losing so bad!! We should just give up!!”

    Switching coasts today… I will be on Bill Maher tonight for the season finale of his HBO show. We have much to discuss and things to say that many don’t want to hear.

  87. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    BTW, I actually liked Michael Moore when he used to be normal person. His last wife said she wouldn’t leave him if he could ever see his own dick without a mirror. He couldn’t make it happen.

  88. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    I made that up. Pretty funny, though, right?

  89. Hold my beer says:

    Don’t like Bill Maher. Strikes me as smarmy. He is no jon stewart.

  90. Hold my beer says:

    Expat

    I thought you were talking about yourself.

  91. leftwing says:

    “the Original NJ ExPat and leftwing seem to have a drinking problem?”

    Hey, where did that come from? My only drinking problem is a cellar full of first growths and outstanding cabs without a special lady to share.

    LOL, last time we did butts and ribs, you had four middle aged knuckle heads knocking back 97, 99, and 07 caymus ss, dalle valle, diamond creek and some chateau margaux over a smoker in a back yard.

    Cognitive dissonance.

    Gotta keep cracking the cabs, even the best get old…..

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