Nothing will be done

From the Star Ledger:

Huge change for N.J.: Public worker benefit cuts, merging schools, more toll roads pushed by top lawmaker

Frustrated by endless growth in property taxes and public worker benefit costs, New Jersey’s most powerful lawmaker earlier this year turned to a panel of accountants, economists and budget experts for help.

Their final report is out, and it includes huge plans for change in New Jersey, including merging school districts, adding tolled fast lanes and cutting government employee health care and pension benefits.

State Senate President Stephen Sweeney, D-Gloucester, said he’s trying to prevent New Jersey from confronting billion-dollar budget deficits in the near future.

“New Jersey is at the crossroads. In fact we’re beyond the crossroads. We’re in trouble,” Sweeney said at a Statehouse news conference Thursday.

But these recommendations are likely to face strong headwinds from public labor unions, local government and school officials and Gov. Phil Murphy, a Democrat.

Sweeney said Thursday that New Jersey’s fiscal plights and that of its homeowners are too great to continue on unaltered.

He and state lawmakers will take their report on the road during the summer break leading up to the fall elections to build support.

“We are going to get moving on this now,” Sweeney said, “because time is of the essence.”

The report draws an outline of the powerful Democrat’s legislative agenda.

It’s not clear which of these proposals will become legislation. Many will likely require Sweeney to recruit Republican lawmakers to push through proposals likely to anger unions.

Sen. Steven Oroho, R-Sussex, who sat on the panel, said many of the recommendations have been studied before but now there exists the “political will and courage” to move on them.

The proposals target property tax bills by merging the more than 300 K-6 and K-18 school districts into K-12 regional districts which typically have a lower per-pupil cost.

Under one proposal, state and local government and school employees employees would move to less expensive health care plans. Under another, future retirees would have to contribute to the cost of their health care.

A third still would alter retirement benefits for new employees and those with fewer than five years of public employment. The first $40,000 of their salary would be pensionable, but any salary above that would become part of a retirement plan that acts more like a 401(k) than a pension. Under another iteration, those same workers would be shifted entirely into that hybrid retirement plan.

These proposals would cut increases in pension and health benefit costs by a third, according to the report.

One plan would pledge the New Jersey Turnpike as an asset to the public worker pension fund — and add toll roads to pump new dollars into the cash-strapped pension system.

To raise more money, the state would create express lanes on federal highways such as Routes 78 and 80 that would charge motorists tolls for the convenience of driving on lanes with less traffic. Such lanes are in use in Maryland and Virginia.

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89 Responses to Nothing will be done

  1. grim says:

    You guys thought I was kidding when I said they would sell the Turnpike and Parkway to pay the pension.

  2. 1987 Condo says:

    Not so sure how realistic those high speed toll lanes are here. I have been taking my kids to college in NC since 2012 and have watched the construction of and now have used those lanes in Maryland and Virginia.

    It was a huge multi year construction process and they needed to build multi lanes with flyovers, etc. Virginia “cheaped out” and just built one set of roadway that they have to shut down to change direction based on rush hour flow. That pretty much makes it a mess .

  3. grim says:

    Why not start consolidating counties as well? Seems like a much easier lift to consolidate counties. Sussex and Warren for example. Somerset and Hunterdon, Salem and Cumberland, Camden and Gloucester, Monmouth and Ocean.

  4. D-FENS says:

    People are too afraid of being “Levante’d”

    https://www.nj.com/sussex-county/index.ssf/2018/03/newton_mayor_discusses_his_departure_from_his_teac.html

    He was part of a huge local push to consolidate school districts.

  5. D-FENS says:

    Speak out and make progress on the issue and every local official will use the power of government against you.

    Sweeney has some swagger as he beat back the Teachers union and won re-election. He is a direct threat to them. I think the unions broke records spending money against him in his campaign for the NJ Senate. They actually endorsed his Republican challenger because they hate him so much

  6. grim says:

    Sweeney should have won, he’d have been a better governor than Murphy. Just saying.

  7. 3b says:

    Like grim said great ideas but won’t happen. The state will collapse before there is any real change.

  8. grim says:

    Just give the state to the pension fund.

    Maybe then you’ll see real change.

  9. leftwing says:

    Grim, I was in complete agreement with you. Still am. There is no current income solution to the impending pension mess. Resolution must include a sizable contribution of someone’s LT assets.

    I posted the other day a few characteristics showing how NJ resembles a banana republic. Add the sale of critical infrastructure to fund current accounts.

    Is there a bank-the-eight ball shot that a Sweeney aggrieved by Murphy and the teachers union can create an unholy alliance with NJ Republicans to ram through any of these proposals? Or at the very least, neuter Monty Burns? Stay tuned, it’s only your future well being….

  10. leftwing says:

    “Just give the state to the pension fund.”

    That is a great idea. The productive part of the population would head for the hills. The pension funds would drive it into the ground.

    Then everyone could come back when the place is a total shitshow at a substantial discount, with no pension mess.

    Classic “pump and dump” against these union fcuks.

  11. grim says:

    First step is NJEA lawsuit in South Jersey to be resolved per Janus, meaning union dues become optional, and they get stripped from being payroll deductions.

    When teachers are writing checks to the union every month, you’ll see a little bit more accountability and likely a pullback from overt political activities. Likewise I expect that the vast majority of Republican teachers in NJ, might actually opt out of the union.

    I’m an outsider, but I’ve got to imagine the more conservative teachers across NJ cringe at being forced to support the union’s political activities. The anti-Sweeney campaign left a lot of people with a bad taste in their mouth.

  12. D-FENS says:

    If Sweeney can get Republicans on board with his ideas, they might be able to override a Murphy Veto.

  13. D-FENS says:

    NJEA took a shot at the king and missed.

  14. grim says:

    Easiest places to sell a home in NJ:

    Hudson County city is N.J.’s ‘easiest’ place to sell a home, study says

    1. Union City (26.5 average days on market)
    2. Morristown (31.3 days)
    3. Garfield (34.3 days)
    4. Passaic (34.4 days)
    5. Wallington (37.6 days)
    6. Maywood (38.0 days)
    7. Bayonne (41.2 days)
    8. Lodi (42.2 days)
    9. Elizabeth (43.3 days)
    10. Jersey City (43.9 days)

  15. grim says:

    NJ will swing Republican again after Murphy.

  16. Juice Box says:

    Tweet from Govenor Phil.

    “Today in Newark I addressed recent @NJTRANSIT delays and cancellations.”

    Sure ya did…nobody was fired, sickouts will continue the union will bring you to your knees…

  17. D-FENS says:

    For those that say NJ is “blue”…it’s the independents that have the majority. Politicians would do well listening to them.

    1.8 million registered Democrats
    1.1 million registered Republicans
    2.6 million registered “unaffiliated”

    grim says:
    August 10, 2018 at 9:26 am
    NJ will swing Republican again after Murphy.

  18. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Whoever stated this Camden model was coming for the rest of the state was dead on.

    “Fully empower county governments to provide police services for localities.”

  19. Juice Box says:

    Moran’s article.

    “Murphy is a vintage liberal who treats the fiscal crisis like an unwanted visit from a reviled relative during a vacation.”

  20. D-FENS says:

    Consider the messenger…Moran himself is a liberal

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  22. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You know that Murphy is responsible for all this change that is coming. He beat Sweeney in the race to governor. This has caused Sweeney to become bitter and hold a grudge. Now, Sweeney is a conservative’s Dream, and the only reason is because he wants to stick it to Murphy. Never underestimate the power of hate. You better thank all the people that voted for Murphy, or none of this would be happening.

  23. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Teachers unions will never let this happen.

    The teacher’s union is powerless.

  24. Nwnj says:

    I think consolidating is a long shot but school enrollment is dropping massively in a lot of suburban areas and the unions took a hit. The per pupil costs are shooting through the roof and there is less resistance to the change. I could see the consolidation picking up steam.

  25. D-FENS says:

    Sweeney is Governor now

  26. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    If you wanted to truly increase school funding with no cost, repeal every Christie “accountability” measure involving teacher evaluations. Each district created a bloated administration to handle all those observations. They are each paid $110k to $130k a year. And they don’t hold anyone accountable. Most of them aren’t even qualified to evaluate anyone’s teaching.

  27. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Does this plan for switching pensions to 401k only apply to teachers? What about others like police, politicians, and firemen?

  28. Yo! says:

    Brian Stack in Union City is the most effective politician in New Jersey.

  29. 1987 Condo says:

    “Likewise I expect that the vast majority of Republican teachers in NJ, might actually opt out of the union.”

    Might? Don’t even think you need to be Republican. Teachers in my wife’s district can not wait to dis-enroll.

  30. 3b says:

    The suburban towns with rental apartments are seeing an increase in school enrollments it’s happening in my town. Garden apartments that formerly housed old people young married couples and the occasional divorced mom are now packed with immigrant families with children. We have another 70 units coming on line early next year. They have added extra kindergarten classes.

  31. 1987 Condo says:

    Of course Murphy signed a bill earlier in the year only allowing folks to dis-enroll within a 10 day period of their anniversary date, so that should add to confusion and probably keep folks paying dues for perhaps another year.

    https://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/05/murphy_signs_law_expanding_public_worker_union_rig.html

  32. 30 year realtor says:

    List of easiest towns to sell in is populated by mostly popular priced communities. Very logical.

  33. 1987 Condo says:

    My “solution” to teacher pension issue:

    1. Implement “hybrid” as suggested. you can not go straight to 401(k) because employees are currently contributing like 7% to the fund so you do not want to lose that.

    2. Re-allocate current school funding (Abbott??) to include a pension contribution

    3. Bond, bond, bond

  34. 3b says:

    Redfin stock dramatic sell off after CEO says housing demand will continue to decline in August and September even in the most popular markets.

  35. chicagofinance says:

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  36. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    No solution is complete without people taking haircuts on their pension.

  37. joyce says:

    The sad truth is even if we get whatever reforms each one of us prefers, it won’t reduce the insane tax burden that comes with living in this state. It will, at best, slow the rate of increases.

  38. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Joyce,

    Truth!

  39. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    I can’t remember the last time I’ve been in the high traffic areas of NJ. Our families (which is everyone, except my wife’s sister in NH) now live in Warren, Somerset, and Hunterdon counties. We pretty much travel routes 94 and 206, the rare exception being a pre-Thanksgiving 2AM run down 95 and over the GWB (that’s when we stop at the White Castle on Piaget).

  40. ExEssex says:

    Happily taking a run at Pension #2…..LAUSD style….spread the risk across two States. Love it when a plan comes together.

  41. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Imagine the high decibel uproar…in Florida.

    No solution is complete without people taking haircuts on their pension.

  42. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    I knew you didn’t have enough money to keep up the payments on your used BMW girls car.

    Happily taking a run at Pension #2…..LAUSD style….spread the risk across two States. Love it when a plan comes together.

  43. Yo Pumkimpie says:

    The post below are cynically related

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    August 10, 2018 at 10:45 am
    Does this plan for switching pensions to 401k only apply to teachers? What about others like police, politicians, and firemen?

    And

    Yo! says:
    August 10, 2018 at 10:48 am
    Brian Stack in Union City is the most effective politician in New Jersey.

    And Stack could be if he waived both his pension rights to his multiple jobs (UC Commissioner, UC Mayor (yep 2 different salaries), State Senator, and possibly past jobs (all public) meter maid, building inspector, county freeholder AND resigned one of his 2 elected position, which he has held both pre 2007 – grandfathered.

    Otherwise, he still a Hudson County Chavez/Trump style Con man that has not been indicted YET.

  44. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Topper (from yesterday) regarding 1000 mg of ibuprofen at one time:

    You may be confusing 1000 mg of Acetaminophen chased with 3 or 4 martinis. 1000 mg of ibuprofen is regularly prescribed for muscle injuries. I had a rib cage injury about 20 years ago and was prescribed the same. I asked the doctor what the difference was between the prescript1on and taking 5 over the counter t@blets. He said, “Nothing”. People trained in sports injury know “RICE” – Rest, Ice, Compression, Elevation. In addition, hitting that injury early with a high dose of ibuprofen is recommended, followed by very small doses, is the way to go. Five t@blets at the onset, followed by 1 t@blet every four hours four more times is way more effective than 2 t@blets each four hours over the same time period, in fact it works out to 200 mg less.

    Expat – that dosage of ibuprofen is near OD level. That’s crazy. Be careful brother.

  45. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    IRS settles with Tea Party groups for 3.5 million. So, we basically are admitting we weaponized the IRS for political purposes, but not the FBI? Right….

  46. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    LOL!!! I showed my wife this commercial yesterday and then searched the internet. Nobody figured out that this spot featured Tony Little, yesterday. I guess they finally did today. Still not articles. Patrick’s commercials are hilarious!

  47. The Original NJ ExPat says:

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  48. The Original NJ ExPat says:
  49. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    It’s going to eventually come out that Obama jigger-nigged the entire government that was supposed to be the “most transparent administration ever.”

    IRS settles with Tea Party groups for 3.5 million. So, we basically are admitting we weaponized the IRS for political purposes, but not the FBI? Right….

  50. joyce says:

    I’m very familiar with RICE therapy. The doctor who coined it is either trying to hawk a new book, or just no longer believes in it.

    http://www.drmirkin.com/fitness/why-ice-delays-recovery.html

    When I wrote my best-selling Sportsmedicine Book in 1978, I coined the term RICE (Rest, Ice, Compression, Elevation) for the treatment of athletic injuries (Little Brown and Co., page 94). Ice has been a standard treatment for injuries and sore muscles because it helps to relieve pain caused by injured tissue. Coaches have used my “RICE” guideline for decades, but now it appears that both Ice and complete Rest may delay healing, instead of helping.

    In a recent study, athletes were told to exercise so intensely that they developed severe muscle damage that caused extensive muscle soreness. Although cooling delayed swelling, it did not hasten recovery from this muscle damage (The American Journal of Sports Medicine, June 2013). A summary of 22 scientific articles found almost no evidence that ice and compression hastened healing over the use of compression alone, although ice plus exercise may marginally help to heal ankle sprains (The American Journal of Sports Medicine, January, 2004;32(1):251-261).

  51. joyce says:

    Not only didn’t Tozzi fall the officers’ orders, he “approached/charged at them.”

    So, why didn’t they shoot hom? Isn’t that SOP?

    https://www.nj.com/warren/index.ssf/2018/08/chest-flexing_sheriffs_officer_loses_his_porsche_a.html#incart_2box_nj-homepage-featured

  52. ExEssex says:

    1:47 i’ve Got two BMWs at home. The M is paid for. Cash.

    The 328 (4 Cyl) turbo…that’s the commuter car currently it’s a blast.

    Btw your posts lately? Cringe inducing.

  53. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    joyce – from this haphazard rant I really don’t get if you are dry or moist on the subject and the science behind it. My money is on dry.

    I’m very familiar with RICE therapy. The doctor who coined it is either trying to hawk a new book, or just no longer believes in it.

    http://www.drmirkin.com/fitness/why-ice-delays-recovery.html

    When I wrote my best-selling Sportsmedicine Book in 1978, I coined the term RICE (Rest, Ice, Compression, Elevation) for the treatment of athletic injuries (Little Brown and Co., page 94). Ice has been a standard treatment for injuries and sore muscles because it helps to relieve pain caused by injured tissue. Coaches have used my “RICE” guideline for decades, but now it appears that both Ice and complete Rest may delay healing, instead of helping.

    In a recent study, athletes were told to exercise so intensely that they developed severe muscle damage that caused extensive muscle soreness. Although cooling delayed swelling, it did not hasten recovery from this muscle damage (The American Journal of Sports Medicine, June 2013). A summary of 22 scientific articles found almost no evidence that ice and compression hastened healing over the use of compression alone, although ice plus exercise may marginally help to heal ankle sprains (The American Journal of Sports Medicine, January, 2004;32(1):251-261).

  54. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    ExEssex – We’re all so proud of you.

    i’ve Got two BMWs at home.

  55. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    ExEssex – just keep makin’ the payments and your kids will be oh so proud.

  56. ExEssex says:

    That makes me feel really good.

    Is the “we” you are referring to your multiple personalities?!

  57. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    ExEssex – So, to consolidate your claim(s) to fame – you have two BMW’s in the driveway? (Deep Sigh) – I’m thinking that your urgency to let us know that, urgently, drops you a little bit below Pumps. I don’t know. It’s close to a tie.

  58. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    I have a 2008 Kia Sedona. 250 hp. 3.8L V6

    See how that works?

  59. ExEssex says:

    How much cum do you plan to guzzle this weekend exPutz…?

  60. joyce says:

    Expat,
    What is wrong with you, seriously? All I did was post an article from the “creator” of RICE therapy.

    Take the well deserved advice from others on here and unplug for a while. Mmmkay p-dubs?

  61. grim says:

    You know I used to love cars.

    But I hate people. They ding your doors, smash their shitty cars into you.

    Now I don’t care, I won’t own an expensive car because I can’t deal with the frustration that assholes cause.

    My next car will be a 10 year old bear up F body diesel.

    Nirvana.

    The Honda is good, but I need to be in a mental state where I can plow my car into an idiot and not care at all.

  62. ExEssex says:

    The climate here means cars last longer, the speedy thoroughfares mean you need good brakes. Comfortable seats are a must!

  63. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    joyce – what is wrong with you, seriously? I go months without thinking of you and that continued into today. Give it a try.

    Take my advice and try to appraise your life away from the mirror and NJ REreport.

    Expat,
    What is wrong with you, seriously? All I did was post an article from the “creator” of RICE therapy.

    Take the well deserved advice from others on here and unplug for a while. Mmmkay p-dubs?

  64. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    also…cunt.

  65. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    joyce – stop beating around the (hairy gray) bush – just put my name out there. Grim knows my name. Nom knows my name. Chi knows my name. Lib knows my name. Clot knows my name.

    Cross the line, you’ll feel good.

  66. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Workers see their paychecks get smaller as inflation continues to rise – CNBC
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  67. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Job creators holding back the economy from greatness by being overly selfish. Give some raises out. Think of it as a longterm investment in the economy. Not rocket science.

    “Lack of real worker pay growth has been a key missing link for an economy that otherwise looks powerful.”

  68. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Anyone’s take?

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  69. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It helps explain why this culture of turning the head for cops and their families occurred. This officer was clearly coming to intimidate these other officers into not doing their job.

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  71. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Cry baby. Makes a bet, loses, and then wants his money back.

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  72. The Great Pumpkin says:

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  73. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Cry baby. Makes a bet, loses, and then wants his money back.

    Short seller sues Tesla, Elon Musk, claiming buyout tweets were fraudulent – Ars Technica
    https://apple.news/AhrDebtIgQmCvpnbg9f_Zow

    Didn’t know you were a supporter of market manipulation.

  74. The Great Pumpkin says:

    A true investor understands their bet. This individual should know what he is getting himself into with shorting Tesla with Musk in charge. That’s why Lib won’t Short this…too much risk.

  75. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I had two 6 months bouts of Physical Therapy the past 2 years at Trinity Rehab. No ice, no elevation. Warm up, stretches, strengthening, followed by manual myofascial release. Also did the shockwave therapy.

    Definitely more effective than my PT 15 years ago.

  76. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    A true investor understands their bet. This individual should know what he is getting himself into with shorting Tesla with Musk in charge. That’s why Lib won’t Short this…too much risk.

    A true CEO also understands what they are allowed to say on twitter.

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  78. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “With supply falling as demand abates, there is little reason to expect prices to fall enough to change the picture. In the meantime the Federal Reserve’s commitment to continue raising interest rates points to a further erosion in affordability, and so, if anything, a further drop in demand, albeit at a slower pace than recently. It looks as though the economy will have to find sources of strength other than housing.

    There is, however, in this otherwise disappointing news a silver lining of sorts. Because people have backed away in response to higher prices and deteriorating affordability, there is no sign of speculative froth. In the runup to the crisis of 2008-09, people bought despite high prices and low affordability on the, as it turned out false expectation that prices would rise and they could make a profit. Today’s responsiveness to price and affordability speaks to a more balanced and less dangerous attitude and also offers comfort that at least there is little risk of a speculative bubble.”

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  79. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Why can’t they do the right thing? It’s for the health of our economy for god’s sake. This is opening a door for Democratic social!sm. Is that what this country wants…social!sm? Doing a damn good job of pushing the populace in that direction. Makes me sick.

    “The prospects for wage growth ought to be good, given the tighter labor supply. But American companies have made an art form of not sharing the wealth with workers. Productivity growth has vastly outstripped real wage growth since the 1970s, according to Deutsche Bank research. Yet employees are working harder and smarter and not getting commensurately remunerated, while corporations have a record share of the national wealth. That is to say, workers have been getting ripped off.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/06/opinion/clouds-darken-trumps-sunny-economic-view.html

  80. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Once fine lines are crossed, it’s hard to stop. Once these movements start, good luck! They will be coming for the farm now instead of the bone. So let social!sm in because you saw no negative consequences that come from ripping off workers.

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