Slay the Zombies

From HousingWire:

ATTOM: Zombie foreclosures are ticking down

The amount of vacant homes in the U.S. continues to sit at a lull, slowly ticking down, according to a new data set from ATTOM Data Solutions

In the fourth quarter of 2019, there were 1,527,142 single-family homes and condos left vacant, representing 1.5% of homes in the U.S.

In Q3, 1.6% of homes were vacant in the U.S., meaning there was a small tick down in the vacant home sector in this quarter.

“While pockets of zombie foreclosures remain, neighborhoods throughout the country are confronting fewer and fewer of the empty, decaying properties that were symbolic of the fallout from the housing market crash during the recession,” Teta said.

Washington, D.C. continues to have the highest percentage of zombie foreclosures, at 10.5%. Kansas (7.9%); Oregon (7.9%); Montana (7.4%); Maine (6.7%) and New Mexico (5.8%) are all states that sit above the national average of zombie foreclosures, which is 2.9%.

New York had the highest number of zombie properties, with 2,266. Florida followed with 1,461; Illinois with 892; Ohio with 823 and New Jersey with 398. However, these numbers were all lower than they were in Q3.

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95 Responses to Slay the Zombies

  1. ExEssex says:

    Blah blah blah

  2. 1987 Condo says:

    Jobs: +128,000 –beats ,given GM strike concerns

    U/E: 3.6%

    Wages: +3% yoy

    Big revisions UP for Sept and August

  3. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    The zombies have almost all been flipped within a mile of my house. All have been purchased by new parties and are now for sale after “renovation”. One contractor did an amazing job and probably made $200k. Another one put lipstick on a turd and might have made $10 to 15k after a year of no offers.

  4. 1987 Condo says:

    Pace of job growth in last 3 months now exceeding pace in first 7 months.

  5. grim says:

    Not a bad jobs number.

  6. PatrioticHillbilly says:

    Not only is Obama a total myth and fraud but he also very likely oversaw the criminality that occurred within the intelligence community during the 2016 election and the transition. That includes colluding with foreign governments, spying, fabricating evidence. Clapper has said so.

    It’s the oldest trick in the book that we’re seeing. Accuse the other person first of the conduct that you are guilty of then when they eventually accuse you’ve diminished the credibility.

    The forthcoming Barr and Horowitz investigations are going to spell out exactly how blama and the dnc tried to cheat and steal the 2016 election.

    It’s no wonder the democrat party decided to launch this impeachment sham right before those investigative reports drop.

  7. Fast Eddie says:

    But, but, but… the recession!

  8. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Roaring 20’s 2.o…best economic run of our lifetime. The lying village idiot called this how long ago?

    Fast Eddie says:
    November 1, 2019 at 9:13 am
    But, but, but… the recession!

  9. The Great Pumpkin says:

    And I’m such a liar that individuals were able to figure out who I am and where I work. The only people that didn’t know where I work are the idiots.

  10. PatrioticHillbilly says:

    Eddie some people are seeing recessions everywhere they loo. delusions are a symptom of advanced TDS.

  11. Yo! says:

    Bridge water Commons mall on market

  12. Fast Eddie says:

    Hillbilly,

    The dems are terrified. They haven’t a clue on how to stop him. They know impeachment is truly the hail Mary and hope beyond hope to push him out before 10/2020. They’re absolutely terrified. And what’s astonishing is that the media, the dems, their lackies and the misfit masses are throwing everything they can at him and he’s not only winning on domestic and foreign fronts but he’s doing it practically single-handed.

  13. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I’m still not a teacher. YOU DON’T GET IT, DO YOU?

    Not a teacher says:
    November 1, 2019 at 10:12 am
    I’m not a teacher!
    http://njrereport.com/index.php/2013/11/05/renters-get-new-options/#comment-607978

  14. JCer says:

    It was totally obvious the pumpkin was some sort of government employee from the beginning based on the sheer amount of posts/time spent and defense of government workers, I never took the time to find out definitively what he did for a living. Honestly I would have never pegged him as a teacher, seemed to have way too much free time most teachers I know aren’t reading blogs all day.

    I’ll give credit where credit is due, he was correct in his call on the macro economic trend. But a broken clock is right twice a day, and he has little understanding of economics so I doubt he’ll be right again….

  15. Juice Box says:

    So Trump moves his residence to Florida. NO more 8.2 percent state tax rate and a 3.87 percent city tax rate.

    Butt-hurt Cuomo says “good riddance” and then tells a big fat lie “It’s not like Mr. Trump paid taxes here anyway,” Cuomo said in his statement. “He’s all yours, Florida.”

  16. D-FENS says:

    Cuomo is a dope. Kiss fed $$$ goodbye.

    Having a president live in your state and care about it benefits his constituents.

  17. D-FENS says:

    @GordonGChang
    ·
    1h
    Yes, #China is about to suffer its long-delayed crisis. The calendar in our country says 2019, but there it’s 2008. And this downturn for the Chinese will be a doozy.
    Quote Tweet

    Foreign Affairs
    @ForeignAffairs
    · 11h
    Any country that has accumulated debt, lost productivity, or aged at anything close to China’s current clip has lost at least one decade to near-zero economic growth, writes Michael Beckley. How might China handle the coming slump?
    https://trib.al/7TEv2Nr

  18. Bystander says:

    Yes, the Piggly wiggly is hiring at new locations in Huntsville, Jonesboro, and Chattanoogy..yeehaw.

  19. The Great Pumpkin says:

    He is right at home with all the other dirt bags that move to that state. He is finally home.

    Juice Box says:
    November 1, 2019 at 11:28 am
    So Trump moves his residence to Florida. NO more 8.2 percent state tax rate and a 3.87 percent city tax rate.

  20. D-FENS says:

    Libturd please tell them about the recession and all of the suffering…

    @zerohedge
    APPLE SAID TO EXPECT MORE THAN 200M HANDSETS SHIPPED IN 2020

    So… apple does not expect a recession in 2020?

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-30/apple-plans-to-ship-at-least-80-million-5g-iphones-nikkei-says

  21. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    The economy is booming because we’ve artificially expanded credit for 11 straight years through inflationary mechanisms. Not because the fundamentals are strong. +GDP and employment numbers do a poor job of describing the long term health of the economy.

    We had positive GDP and booming stock markets while we dismantled our entire manufacturing base sending various towns throughout the nation into their own depression.

  22. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I have ocd. You know how much stress participating on this blog put on my life? I can’t do it anymore, I don’t have the obsession or passion that I once did. I was obsessed with the direction of the economy. I was obsessed with the teacher bashing that happened when Christie came to office. You know what it feels like to be the target of every angry tax paying citizen in nj? You know how it feels to have friends and family turn on you because you are a teacher and are somehow responsible for their tax bill? Thanks Christie, that was fun.

    “I know aren’t reading blogs all day.”

  23. ExEssex says:

    9:08 but Obama ain’t getting impeach is he dickhead?

  24. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I’ve been working on completely detaching from google entirely. They just bought fitbit….arg. Two steps forward, 1 step back.

  25. Juice Box says:

    Big Short this time on Climate change.

    “Risk to the housing market from underestimated climate change echoes lessons from the 2008 subprime-mortgage debacle — as does the chance to capitalize on these miscalculations.

    That’s the view of David Burt, whose old firm and its timely escape from the financial crisis just over a decade ago featured in Michael Lewis’s book “The Big Short.””

    “Between $60 billion to $100 billion worth of mortgages for U.S. coastal homes are issued each year. Some 311,000 existing coastal homes will be repeatedly flooded, or lost altogether, within the next 30 years, according to sea-level calculations that the Union of Concerned Scientists publishes. That means the often high-population states of California, Texas, Florida, Maryland, New Jersey and New York are vulnerable, as are retirement destinations including the Carolinas.”

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/climate-change-will-break-the-housing-market-says-david-burt-who-predicted-the-2008-financial-crisis-2019-11-01?mod=bnbh

  26. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Come on, not being fair. I called the economy years in advance with specific years it would take place. How is that relatable to a broke clock when you are calling for specific years? Maybe I know nothing about economics, but how do you explain the call then?

    “I’ll give credit where credit is due, he was correct in his call on the macro economic trend. But a broken clock is right twice a day, and he has little understanding of economics so I doubt he’ll be right again….”

  27. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Climate change is nothing to worry about, right?

    Juice Box says:
    November 1, 2019 at 1:05 pm
    Big Short this time on Climate change.

  28. Juice Box says:

    Essex – re: impeachment

    Big whoop two United States Presidents have been impeached previously by the House Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton and neither was convicted by the Senate.

    Won’t be any different this time and if anything it will just raise the stakes 367 days from now.

    My opinion is the Dems need to find a better candidate and soon.

  29. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I’ll gladly buy someone’s oceanfront property at a 75% discount with the stipulation that I must hold it for 30 years.

  30. ExEssex says:

    1:12 Trump is completely rotten. He’ll serve time.
    NY State will see to that. Fuuuuuck him.

  31. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – I know of several mad scientists who are going to fix Global Warming it in our lifetime by using microalgae and CRISPR gene editing tech. They are now actively working on make a super algae that will eat all the excess CO2 and release it into the oceans.

    Nothing will go wrong right?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=72&v=nM65NcMXsE4

    https://phys.org/news/2019-03-scientists-evolutionary-clock-high-co2-tolerant-microalgae.html

  32. Juice Box says:

    ExEssex – does your opinion include finding a better candidate?

  33. chicagofinance says:

    JC: hypocrisy aside, I am more of a pragmatist about behavior and risk bearing.
    Bottom line, the Obamas have enriched themselves through public service, but they are not so affluent that they can take a sure fire loss of an uninsurable $15M-$16M on a secondary residence. He was President. He had access to all manner of information about the climate, risks, future probabilities. Talk is cheap. Putting money down is no gamble. It is a pure reflection of personal beliefs and values.

    #1 he does not believe in catastrophic climate change
    #2 he is so arrogant that he is willing to signal it publicly without shame

    JCer says:
    October 31, 2019 at 11:11 pm
    Chi, yes, yes he is. He is why I am no longer a democrat. After his first term I realized just how dishonest he was

    The incredible hypocrisy of telling people to watch their carbon footprint, etc then going out and buying huge homes with massive energy footprints in vulnerable coastal areas….I really question going into the white house basically broke and leaving with the money he has now. Even the Clinton’s don’t live as conspicuously as Obama, their home in Chappaqua is much more subdued than any of the palaces being purchased by the Obamas. At least Carter practiced what he preached, Obama wants all of us to eat gruel and live in cardboard box while he has 5 9000 sqft homes.

  34. Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls says:

    Thanks BRT. It is such a sick economy that the FED is cutting interest rates as the market is hitting record highs. Anyone want to tell me the last time this occurred? I am thinking probably never. QE off, whoops. Get that QE back on and stat. Worst of all, when you look at much of the job creation, it’s in the public sector. The recession isn’t coming. It is here. It’s only a matter of time before the bottom falls out. And it will.

  35. Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls says:

    In other news. I put my nearly 15 year old golden doodle to sleep this morning. It wasn’t a hard decision. After all, I’ve always been in support of death panels. Vet offered me the option to figure out if it was cancer, or renal failure, or a partial blockage or a host of other things that was making him emaciated. I opted to not find out. He was already two to three years past life expectancy. Let me run BCBS. I’ll make them millions!

    He was a really good dog. Sad to see him go, but he’s had diarrhea for 9 days now. It’s enough.

  36. ExEssex says:

    1:21 don’t care. Anyone including libs deceased Doodle is a better fit for POTUS.

  37. Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls says:

    Deceased Doodle 2020!

  38. Bystander says:

    Sorry Lib. That sucks but better to end suffering..and vet bills. The whole industry is sham of guilt and obscene gouging. I paid $750 just to put a cat down a few years back. They applied fluids, did x-ray and said I could MRI to figure out if large mass was cancer. I declined and they said you should put her down and it was certainly cancer. Added another $250 for putting her down. Real nice industry there.

  39. Fast Eddie says:

    Anyone including libs deceased Doodle is a better fit for POTUS.

    As long as your wife is supporting you, why do you care? Does your wife’s line of work depend on government control and involvement?

  40. Fast Eddie says:

    Worst of all, when you look at much of the job creation, it’s in the public sector.

    Minus 20,000 federal government jobs for October.

  41. Fast Eddie says:

    Yes, the Piggly wiggly is hiring at new locations in Huntsville, Jonesboro, and Chattanoogy..yeehaw.

    Food services and drinking establishments are indeed up. People have more discretionary money to spend.

  42. ExEssex says:

    2:23 – Wife’s got nothing to do with my disdain for Trump.
    She’s against his dumb ass too. It’s simple really. Some of us still have some standards.

  43. Juice Box says:

    Sorry about your dog lib. They really are man’s best friend.

  44. Fast Eddie says:

    Some of us still have some standards.

    You mean like when Oblammy used the DOJ and FBI to abuse the FISA process to obtain a court order to surveil Trump campaign advisers? Or when Oblammy was briefed on the Steele dossier? Or targeted conservative groups via the IRS?

  45. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You don’t need me to tell you that this time is different. The economy has evolved. What applied in the past does not apply to now.

    Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls says:
    November 1, 2019 at 1:41 pm
    Thanks BRT. It is such a sick economy that the FED is cutting interest rates as the market is hitting record highs. Anyone want to tell me the last time this occurred? I am thinking probably never. QE off, whoops. Get that QE back on and stat. Worst of all, when you look at much of the job creation, it’s in the public sector. The recession isn’t coming. It is here. It’s only a matter of time before the bottom falls out. And it will.

  46. ExEssex says:

    3:12 I know you can’t help being stupid. But you can own the fact that you support a traitor and scumbag.

  47. Juice Box says:

    ExEssex ” better fit” is not necessarily a candidate that can win.

    Even with her failings Hillary is a better candidate than the bunch running now. Warren’s soak the rich tax plan is out and it’s straight up wealth confiscation. Bernie is about to have another heart attack and Biden well he can be forgetful and doddering.

  48. Bystander says:

    By me, same establishmemts are open for past 20, 30, 40 years, Ed. Dumpy has not done a thing but follow the Fed’s juice like BO.

  49. Bystander says:

    Fixed, dufus

    “The economy has devolved to the Fed. What applied in the past does not apply to now.”

  50. chicagofinance says:

    Stu: Here is a reporter from the APP that I have talked to from time to time…. I’m sure he would respond to your story. He is a nice guy. Chi

    Michael Diamond
    • 1st
    Business reporter at Asbury Park Press, specializing in the New Jersey economy
    23h
    Hi all: I’m working on a story about health care costs and am trying to find consumers to talk to about it. Are your insurance premiums going up this year? Do you have to pay more out of pocket? Let me know if you can help. I’m at mdiamond@gannettnj.com

  51. ExtraStupidEssex says:

    You mean Hillary?

    “But you can own the fact that you support a traitor and scumbag.”

  52. 30 year realtor says:

    Eddie,
    If it is proven that there was a back channel foreign policy for Trump’s personal political gain and financial enrichment of Giuliani, are you concerned? If the investigation shows a clear quid pro quo regarding the aid to Ukraine and investigation of Biden, what should be done?

  53. JCer says:

    DJT is a scumbag no doubt but nothing he has done has been traitorous…….
    Just because you have an ideological difference of opinion doesn’t mean laws were broken or the interests of our nation were not put first. Structurally the economy is still broken but that trend started in the 1970’s.

  54. joyce says:

    That is a very fair question, and one that you won’t get an actual answer on… just finger pointing at other/previous politicians (“You mean like when Oblammy…”).

    To be fair, I never understood why people (not saying you) accept the premise that once a politician is no loner in office there unlawful activity doesn’t matter anymore.

    30 year realtor says:
    November 1, 2019 at 4:47 pm
    Eddie,
    If it is proven that there was a back channel foreign policy for Trump’s personal political gain and financial enrichment of Giuliani, are you concerned? If the investigation shows a clear quid pro quo regarding the aid to Ukraine and investigation of Biden, what should be done?

  55. JCer says:

    30 yr some how what you are describing was the exact action of Joe Biden as VP in Ukraine…….
    Somehow Trump is accused of what was done by Biden, that coincidence strikes me as a bit odd.

  56. JCer says:

    They don’t seem to have anything credible on Trump, it is the same tired testimony of people not directly involved who all have political motives. As the siting president Trump has every right to ask a foreign government to investigate any american doing business there, including his political rivals. The opposition needs to prove quid pro quo, they don’t have it the mere appearance of malfeasance doesn’t meet the legal standards…..

  57. 30 year realtor says:

    JCer,
    Biden was carrying out the policy of the US and European allies. There was no request for an investigation of a US citizen by a foreign power for personal political gain. It was a leveraged request to fire a corrupt prosecutor.

    The situations are only alike in that both involved Ukraine.

  58. Juice Box says:

    First impression folks. Trump has it. Anyone here think Biden recovers?

    Bernie or the Injun…

    Better fire up a new candidate quick.

  59. chicagofinance says:

    30: Trump is a scumbag; the call was improper; the insituation of quid pro quo is correct……. HOWEVER, Ukraine did not comply and STILL GOT THE MONEY. So I’m not really sure what is the malfeasance….. scummy? yes; improprer? yes; illegal? gray area but probably; impeachable? I guess, but I don’t think it really rises to that level…… Trump is a steaming pile of garbage no question, but he should stay….at least on this one….

    30 year realtor says:
    November 1, 2019 at 5:30 pm
    JCer,
    Biden was carrying out the policy of the US and European allies. There was no request for an investigation of a US citizen by a foreign power for personal political gain. It was a leveraged request to fire a corrupt prosecutor.

    The situations are only alike in that both involved Ukraine.

  60. ExEssex says:

    Trump has it. Syphilis?

    Because that would explain a lot.

  61. D-FENS says:

    The foreign assistance act actually requires the President to hold military aid if it is being spent improperly or for corrupt purposes. It is literally his job.

  62. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    So if Joe Biden used his influence to his son a high profile job in Ukraine and the aid sent to Ukraine somehow makes its way back into his pockets….how do we as Americans go about getting this investigated?

    Or are we just supposed to look the other way?

  63. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Scary stuff. Trump needs to stop riling this crowd up so much. People like me are the ones that will be stuck paying for it as they raise taxes to obscene levels.

    “70% of millennials said they’d be somewhat or extremely likely to vote for a social!st candidate, according to a recent YouGov poll.
“

  64. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “Erasing student debt would be a small stimulus but would create a ‘moral hazard,’ Moody’s says”

    https://apple.news/Awbwn8EjlRFeC8Gcv7YWuuQ

  65. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Makes sense.

    “Trump’s legal move to Florida may indeed be about taxes, as Trump himself suggests, but just not about paying taxes, which Trump doesn’t do. Instead, the move seems inspired by attempts to disclose Trump’s taxes, which the President also very much does not like to do.

    New York has been aggressive on the front of trying to shed light on Trump’s taxes: The state legislature passed a law facilitating Congress’s access to Trump’s state-level returns, and the Manhattan district attorney, Cy Vance, has been pressing the case for access to Trump’s returns in court.
    New York State Attorney General Letitia James has also proven to be a talented and persistent thorn in Trump’s side, specifically on the tax disclosure issue.”

    “As for Florida? Well, aside from the fact that the Sunshine State has no state level income tax to disclose in the first place, it is also controlled by friendly Republicans, such as former attorney general Pam Bondi, she of the refusal to open an investigation into the Trump University scam fame.
    In Florida, Trump can work on his tan while not worrying about any tax forms being disclosed to anyone. We should all be so lucky.”

  66. Nomad says:

    Grim,

    Do you think BYOD is going away, not tomorrow but over the next few years? Just listened to John Chen interview BOA CEO and the subject came up (interview at crackberry.com). I also see on Blackberry website they now have their security running on Punkt phones.

  67. Juice Box says:

    but CNN had BETO winning over Trump 52% to 42% in their Poll? with such a landslide winning ahead of him why would he quit now?

  68. Juice Box says:

    Blackberry strength was it’s Email and calendar integration for businesses.Their servers that were installed on premise to sync email and calendar and address book access. Today with the cloud that is no longer needed as Google on Microsoft provide the sync services for Free. There was also a vpn tunnel setup with blackberry servers that could be used for data and apps, that also is not needed with the cloud and apps today, Salesforce, Workday etc.

    Security from Apple and Android has also caught up you only need App security today as full device security MDM is no longer needed as Apple and Android now provide that for free.

  69. 30 year realtor says:

    Once again the only similarity between this and what Trump did is both were about Ukraine. Using the influence of a relative in elective office to obtain employment should be illegal, but it is not. Investigate away! Just do not attempt to conflate this with Trump’s Ukraine situation. However, please feel free to investigate the Trump children and see how they have leveraged their father’s position for profit.

    Blue Ribbon Teacher says:
    November 1, 2019 at 10:03 pm
    So if Joe Biden used his influence to his son a high profile job in Ukraine and the aid sent to Ukraine somehow makes its way back into his pockets….how do we as Americans go about getting this investigated?

    Or are we just supposed to look the other way?

  70. 30 year realtor says:

    Clearly you have no understanding of what this is really about!

    D-FENS says:
    November 1, 2019 at 8:42 pm
    The foreign assistance act actually requires the President to hold military aid if it is being spent improperly or for corrupt purposes. It is literally his job.

  71. Fast Eddie says:

    Another so-called bombshell, fake fiasco will die in the Senate no matter how hard the deprived, neutered, limp and insane left tries to make a case of it. This is their mission and has been for the past three years. To endorse and vote for the current version of the democrat party is to label yourself a loser, weakling, weed, mouse, wimp and snowflake.

  72. PatrioticHilllbilly says:

    Employment. Lol. Fake news spin. That’s a KICKBACK, which is illegal, and there were more. Fair game to investigate whether Biden is running for office or not.

    And the Ukraine story is broader and more intertwined. Bama and the dnc used Ukrainian sauces to find trump on dirt. They didn’t find anything on trump but that’s what brought the heat on manafort.

    Remember, accuse the person first of what you are guilty of. That part is really not in dispute. Read the politico story from 2017.

  73. PatrioticHillbilly says:

    Bug eyed shiff and these clowns will never conduct public hearings. They have too much to hide. This whole thing is a sham.

  74. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Ok, but who should order the investigation. That’s my question?

  75. ExEssex says:

    Profile of Trump Voters:

    Authoritarian Personality Syndrome

    Authoritarianism refers to the advocacy or enforcement of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom, and is commonly associated with a lack of concern for the opinions or needs of others.

    Social dominance orientation

    Social dominance orientation (SDO)—which is distinct but related to authoritarian personality syndrome—refers to people who have a preference for the societal hierarchy of groups, specifically with a structure in which the high-status groups have dominance over the low-status ones

    Prejudice

    It would be grossly unfair and inaccurate to say that every one of Trump’s supporters have prejudice against ethnic and religious minorities, but it would be equally inaccurate to say that many do not. It is a well-known fact that the Republican party, going at least as far back to Richard Nixon’s “southern strategy,” used strategies that appealed to bigotry, such as lacing speeches with “dog whistles”

    Intergroup contact

    Intergroup contact refers to contact with members of groups that are outside one’s own, which has been experimentally shown to reduce prejudice.

    Relative deprivation

    Relative deprivation refers to the experience of being deprived of something to which one believes they are entitled.

  76. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Basically, the sentiment seems to be, we shouldn’t be able to investigate presidential candidates for corruption.

  77. Saturday FastEddie says:

    Eddie, what you are hoping for is called “political cleavage” look it up. We are becoming a centrifugal democracy. What it means is not a civil war per se. But a lack of recognition of other elected person’s legitimacy. You saw a small example with Moscow Mitch refusal to recognize Obama’s due Supreme Court Justice appointee.

    There is a very likelyhood that Trump will win, because what the people want, the Democratic Party machine won’t give (Medicare For All, Tariffs, Jobs, Tough immigration rules) and they prefer another Trump term than give in their ways.

    A second Trump term post non-convicted impeachment, means Trump will feel like Superman and is going to do whatever he feels like. That is the point you are going to see the Centrifugal effect in action. Trump might order stuff to happen, but people will say “Make Me”. You saw a taste of that with “El Chapo’s” son in Mexico in the last 2 weeks.

    Below is reference,

    Political cleavages are permanent political divisions among citizens. Since the 1960s, the concept of cleavage has become current in the social science research concerned with the formation of European party systems. Contrary to the American experience, in which parties and party systems reflected mobile sectional divisions, in Europe they were considered to be the freezed expression of either socioeconomic or ethnic-religious cleavages. The postindustrial transformation and the process of sovranational integration of the last decades of the twentieth century challenged the cleavage structures of European societies, opening new divisions based on territorial interests and coalitions as it has been traditionally in United States. Does this require a less European-oriented reformulation of the theory of political cleavages?

    Republicanism: Impact on Social Thought

    M.E. Vatter, in International Encyclopedia of the Social & Behavioral Sciences, 2001
    See also:

    Cleavages: Political; Corruption: Political and Public Aspects; Equality and Inequality: Legal Aspects; Equality: Philosophical Aspects; Freedom/Liberty: Impact on the Social Sciences; Freedom: Political; Institutionalization; Machiavelli, Niccolo (1469–1527); Montesquieu, Charles, the Second Baron of (1689–1755); Political Representation; Power in Society; Power: Political; Republicanism: Philosophical Aspects; Revolutions, History of; Revolutions, Theories of; Rousseau, Jean-Jacques (1712–78); Rule of Law

    Faction: Political

    J.M. Hansen, in International Encyclopedia of the Social & Behavioral Sciences, 2001

    A second influence on the propensity toward factionalization is the structure of political cleavage within the society (Lipset and Rokkan 1967). In Belgium, class divisions cut across parties that are organized primarily on the basis of language and religion. In Italy, economic and regional differences fueled factions within a confessional party whose raison d’etre is the establishment of the Roman Catholic Church. In Sweden, by contrast, religious homogeneity and a dominant secularism caused religious disputes to recede well behind the class divisions that are the basis for the political parties (see Cleavages: Political).
    Consociationalism

    R.B. Andeweg, in International Encyclopedia of the Social & Behavioral Sciences, 2001
    1 The Consociational Explanation

    Deep social cleavages, whether they are based on ideology, religion, class, language, or ethnicity, generally are regarded as unfavorable conditions for stable democracy (see Cleavages: Political). The risk is limited when cleavages are crosscutting (e.g., when members of a particular ethnic group belong to different social classes), because this is supposed to generate cross pressures which have a moderating effect on social conflicts (see Cross-pressures: Political). The risk is greatest when social cleavages coincide and reinforce each other (e.g., when all members of a particular ethnic group belong to one social class, and all members of another ethnic group to another). However, there are democracies that maintain political stability despite coinciding cleavages. In the late 1960s and early 1970s case studies of several such countries revealed a common pattern: social conflict was not moderated by crosscutting cleavages at the mass level, but by cooperation between the social segments at the elite level (e.g., Lehmbruch 1974, Lijphart 1975, Steiner 1974).

    By looking at both the mass level and the elite level, a fourfold typology of democratic regimes was developed, as shown in Fig. 1. The situation of a homogeneous society and competing elites is most conducive to stable democracy. The United States and the United Kingdom serve as examples of such ‘centripetal democracy.’ One might argue that the combination of social homogeneity and elite cooperation guarantees stability even more, but the lack of democratic choice in such a ‘depoliticized democracy’ is likely to lead to antisystem opposition. The situation that is most dangerous for stable democracy is where society is divided deeply and the leaders of the social segments compete. Classic examples of this ‘centrifugal democracy’ are Weimar Germany and the French Fourth Republic. Consociational democracy represents the situation in which deep social divisions are prevented from destabilizing democracy by elite cooperation.

    The list of countries that are claimed to be or to have been consociational democracies gradually has expanded and now includes Austria (1945–66), Belgium (from 1918), Canada (1840–67), Colombia (1958–74), Cyprus (1960 and 1963), Czechoslovakia (1989–1993), India (1947 to the late 1960s), Lebanon (1943–75 and after 1989), Luxembourg, Malaysia (1955–1969 and since 1971), The Netherlands (1917–67), and Switzerland (since 1943), with contemporary Canada and Israel being classified as semiconsociational. The European Union has also been described as consociational. As can be seen from the dates, consociationalism has disappeared in many cases, either because it failed (often because of international interference: Lebanon, Cyprus) or because it was so successful in accommodating the social cleavages that it rendered itself superfluous (e.g., in Austria and the Netherlands). Because of the latter cases, consociationalism is sometimes seen as a transitional phase.

  78. PatrioticHillbilly says:

    That’s part of the democrat goal here. Prevent Barr from getting to the bottom of the bama biden dnc malfeasance.

  79. Mike S says:

    BYOD is definitely not going away, and I do not miss carrying 2 phones everywhere.
    I use blackberry for work as an app, it is perfectly synced up with my calendar, email, skype, etc.. It is actually pretty great.

  80. 30 year realtor says:

    Fast Eddie, Politicians, even Republican senators are more concerned about reelection than anything else. If public opinion shifts against Trump the outcome you anticipate can change in a heartbeat.

  81. 3b says:

    How is Austria defined as a consocialnationaism state.

  82. 30 year realtor says:

    Eddie, you have an unusual focus on masculinity in your political views. Is there something you want to tell us?

  83. ExtraStupidEssex says:

    The democrats are all about fake news.

  84. redted says:

    He considers his fat whiny man-baby president to be “alpha”. Tells you all you need to know. This is the true TDS.

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  86. chicagofinance says:

    Agreed, but don’t segregate Republicans……they are all culpable…. they are all bottomfeeders, locusts and leeches.

    30 year realtor says:
    November 2, 2019 at 11:29 am
    Fast Eddie, Politicians, even Republican senators are more concerned about reelection than anything else. If public opinion shifts against Trump the outcome you anticipate can change in a heartbeat.

  87. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I just filled 5 brown shopping bags with peppers from my yard in anticipation of the frost. The “leftovers”. This warm weather was a dream for growing produce this year.

    Still getting tomatoes too.

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  89. D-FENS says:

    Don’t make me laugh. It’s you who is confused.

    You are seeing what you want to see.

    30 year realtor says:
    November 2, 2019 at 9:07 am
    Clearly you have no understanding of what this is really about!

    D-FENS says:
    November 1, 2019 at 8:42 pm
    The foreign assistance act actually requires the President to hold military aid if it is being spent improperly or for corrupt purposes. It is literally his job.

  90. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “The great counterfactual of the Trump Presidency is how much faster the economy would be growing without the damage of his trade protectionism. Wednesday’s report of lackluster 1.9% growth in the third quarter shows again that you can’t escape Adam Smith’s revenge for indulging in bad economic policy for political goals.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/adam-smiths-revenge-11572475800

  91. grim says:

    That’s a stretch.

  92. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Agreed. It’s been balanced in my opinion. He added tax cuts and reduced regulation which counters the negative effects of the trade war. Long term, we are way better off as there is no such thing as free trade (and never will) and we now show strength at the negotiating table which is everything.

    grim says:
    November 3, 2019 at 5:26 am
    That’s a stretch.

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