What could possibly go wrong?

From the Star Ledger:

Murphy pushes taxpayer-funded bank for N.J. No state has done that in a century. 

Gov. Phil Murphy on Wednesday took the first steps to make New Jersey the first state in a century to open a state-owned bank.

The Democratic governor signed an executive order to form a 14-member board to oversee the taxpayer-funded institution, which was a centerpiece of his campaign in 2017.

The public bank, which would invest millions of dollars in state deposits usually kept in commercial banks back into New Jersey communities and stimulate the economy, would be owned by the state’s taxpayers, Murphy said Wednesday.

“I still believe in the ability of public banks owned by the people of New Jersey to be a force for good in helping small businesses succeed, in providing student loans at affordable rates and opening lines of credit to municipalities needing long-term infrastructure and affordable housing,” the governor said before signing the order at an event in Newark.

The announcement did generate some controversy. The board, which will be chaired by state Commissioner of Banking and Insurance Marlene Caride, is comprised of nine administrative members and four public members, including Derrick Green, who became embroiled in a financial scandal for his political work in Bermuda, which came to light last year. That appointment drew criticism from Republican lawmakers.

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116 Responses to What could possibly go wrong?

  1. grim says:

    Turns out that there aren’t enough places to stuff crony no-show appointments, we need to create an entirely new bank to stuff it full of campaign staffers, patronage positions, and nepotism.

  2. Thursday LongTimeAgo says:

    A long, long time ago in a Hudson County galaxy…….

    I was a treasurer of a small volunteer emergency organization. We had a CD maturing at a the town’s Employee Credit Union. Picked up the check, a week later, our bank says the check bounce, got a replacement check and it went thru. I smell a dead fish, decided to open accounts with Vanguard, instead of going back to it.

    A year later all hell broke loose, the NCUA took over, the FBI investigated. A year later indictment handed out. It seems everyone that was politically in was getting easy loans without ability to pay and many had checking accounts that were continually on overdraft. A local police lieutenant that was indicted with control fraud, dropped dead of a heart attack so he got all the blame for the shenanigans.

    With the State’s bank, I see a lot of loans being made to the shifty, connected , real estate community. I predict within 2 years it will be under FDIC monitoring, like Mariner’s Bank in Edgewater, that belong to Fred Daibes (Developer), it seems all the loans were being given to many of his subsidiaries or people connected with him at arm’s lengths.

  3. 1987 Condo says:

    One NJ legislator was indicating that the goal was to provide banking services for legalized marijuana since US regulated banks can’t facilitate that. A state bank would also be a great way to give directed funding, via loans, to groups/people that Murphy supports and bypass the state legislature.

  4. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    We need a state bank because then we can make million dollar loans to the nieces of nephews of politicians and union bosses.

  5. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I feel you. Automating people out of existence is not fun. Soul sucking indeed.

    Teaching can be fun and a good job, but the politics destroys the job. I am not kidding when I say I have a new job every year. Best part, every year more is on your plate with zero pay increase. It’s a beautiful thing.

    In order to get 100k, you have to put in the minimum (every district is different) of 15 years of pathetic wages to get there. Some districts top out at 75k…no idea how they recruit any competent human being with topping out with that kind of salary. Some take 20 years to get to the top. So it’s not really that great when you factor in the yearly avg over your career. Newspapers broadcast that a teacher is making 100k and people get livid, not realizing that their career avg is pathetic for a competent college graduate.

    “You want someone to teach technology, truth be told a 100k per year salary, summers and weekends off, a pension after 20 years I could leave industry for that. It would more than halve my salary but as bystander can attest there is a lot of pressure to produce the hours and the amount of work asked is crazy, the pay is good but the work is soul sucking. A teacher can at least feel good about what they do, when I succeed, people lose their job…..I automate people out of existence.”

  6. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Thanks for the advice. You are right. I’m a really really nice guy, might not come off that way on this blog for obvious reasons, but I’m as nice as they come. So they are taking advantage of me because they know I won’t fight back. I have to stop taking their nonsense or I’m going to breakdown from the stress. These guys run the ship like it’s china. I’m just so sick of the needless pressure. Is anything going to change? No, but keep beating me up for other people’s bad choices and issues.

    If I’m doing my part, and going all out, why do I have to constantly change because bad students decide to f’k up their life. It’s tiring…

    I should have switched districts and went to the suburbs. I though I could save these kids like a f’en idiot. I’m not that naive anymore.

    Blue Ribbon Teacher says:
    November 13, 2019 at 9:25 pm
    You would be surprised how people don’t walk all over you when you actually stand up for yourself and let them know you aren’t afraid of them.

    I’ve deal with the same nonsense. The difference is, I do things like point out all the chemical safety hazards that can result in tens of thousands of dollars of fines with pictures and email. Or, any time a FERPA violation occurs. When you casually remind your superiors that they are lucky you spotted these things, they know you have the ability to unleash a torrent of fines and lawsuits upon them for their negligence….they go seek out someone weaker to pick on.

  7. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Human nature is a …

    People will never change, always looking to cut corners. Then they tap themselves on the back thinking they did something great. You cheated. Obviously, they see nothing wrong with it.

    “With the State’s bank, I see a lot of loans being made to the shifty, connected , real estate community. I predict within 2 years it will be under FDIC monitoring, like Mariner’s Bank in Edgewater, that belong to Fred Daibes (Developer), it seems all the loans were being given to many of his subsidiaries or people connected with him at arm’s lengths.”

  8. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    In order to get 100k, you have to put in the minimum (every district is different) of 15 years of pathetic wages to get there.

    No you don’t. You get to negotiate your step upon getting hired. If you want to be slave to union negotiations, you will be putting in 15 to 20 years to get there. Of course, most people don’t have leverage to negotiate salary when the position has 800 applicants to it.

  9. Fast Eddie says:

    How can someone claim to be a teacher and post on a forum all day?

  10. ExEssex says:

    The same way a POTUS can claim to be too busy to watch his Impeachment but tweet 60 times about it that day.

  11. Bystander says:

    It is true that teaching is a calling. Clear to me that dufus has no calling for it and just riding it out. He dismisses kids as hoodlums. His passion is rudimentary economics, blind squirrel real esate bias, and denying his ‘kept man’ status.

    As for soul sucking jobs, I generally love what I do, project delivery..when I am allowed to do it. It is impossible when 90% of my day is trying to figure out the visa status for East asians, strategizing how to keep them..then ultimately failing and interviewing replacement roles with lying, sh*tty vendor. Rinse and repeat. The workforce red tape, budget projections and general tediousness of explanation to 10 managers.. this is soul sucking.

  12. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Maybe it takes you long to post, but I knock it out quickly. Just like replying to the emails I get all day.

    Fast Eddie says:
    November 14, 2019 at 10:12 am
    How can someone claim to be a teacher and post on a forum all day?

  13. Fast Eddie says:

    …but I knock it out quickly

    I definitely don’t knock it out quickly. :o

  14. Fast Eddie says:


    This impeachment thing is really backfiring, isn’t it? So, the whistle blower has deep ties to the Bidens and U.S. officials had been urging the Ukrainian government for some time to explain why an investigation into Burisma Holdings was… well… swept aside. Hmmm. This was disclosed by one of the dems star witnesses. LOL!! Oops!!

  15. Fast Eddie says:

    I also never knew that hearsay is admissible and even more damaging than direct testimony. Okay, then.

  16. The Great Pumpkin says:


    I stayed 15 years in an urban district. Almost all leave. No one really hangs around these days. It is what it is.

    I could have left a long time ago. Other districts would take me in a heartbeat. You know how strong my classroom management skills are after working so long in an inner city district? I’ve seen it all..and have learned from it.

  17. ExEssex says:

    10:56 he’s a crook. Stealing $2m from a charity for veterans?
    Get your head out of your ass. Impeachment is another brick in the proverbial wall.

  18. 1987 Condo says:

    I am concerned when I get a NYT update on my phone that says “In dramatic new testimony, a top US diplomat said his aid was told that President Trump cared more about investigating Joe Biden that about Ukraine”

    So a guy that I know heard from a guy that he knows that he felt that someone cared more about something…….


  19. 1987 Condo says:

    In real estate news, WeWork losses double.

  20. ExEssex says:

    Teaching may begin as a calling, but eventually like most jobs, the reality of the whole affair kicks in and it just becomes work. I was incredibly lucky during my tenure in the schools. I’ve had some of the most enriching experiences any teacher can imagine. But in reality unless you have really good kids and a decent principal it’s a crappy experience.

  21. Juice Box says:

    New Jersey currently deposits billions in commercials banks. Politicians with their own source of writing under collateralized loans is just right for New Jersey and it comes at the right time too.

    Can’t get a loan? Well come down to Trenton to wheel and deal. How about a nice lease back on that local sewerage authority no commercial bank would ever underwrite? Heck is guaranteed with a guaranteed stamp of approval. Here at the People’s Republic bank no idea is to small to be funded. Need a loan to buy 40 new new cop cars for the town of Gutenberg? Come on down. How about a Helicopter for the city of Hackensack? Come on down to Trenton and get the loan and make that two Helicopters for Hackensack. What Hoboken needs to build another new waterfront park? Here is a cool $100 million dollar loan to put in some new piers and boardwalks, you can pay for it with parking meters! We will even take quarters as deposits too!

  22. Juice Box says:

    Condo – in this WOKE brave new world we live in hearsay is admissible at criminal trials, never mind Federal Rule of Evidence 801(d)(2)(a), that is a rule white man put in to keep us from power.

  23. 30 year realtor says:

    Fast Eddie, If you are so well versed in the law, then you understand this is not a trial. This is an investigation. The hearsay gets investigated. This is commonly know as a “lead”. The lead will get followed up and evidence may be found. It is like putting together a puzzle.

    Since you are so smart you also realize that the whistle blower is no longer of consequence. Everything stated in the whistle blower report has been proven true and corroborated by superior sources. What difference does it make who the whistle blower is or what their politics are?

  24. Fast Eddie says:

    I’m not versed in the law, I’m telling you what I learned. One of the democrat hit men operatives said hearsay is sometimes more reliable than direct evidence. And I realize it’s not a trial because if it was, all this would’ve been dismissed by now. “I heard it through the grape vine” is not direct evidence… at least I thought it wasn’t but then again, this is the hysterical rantings of a bunch of lunatics formerly know as the democrat party.

    Sure, keep investigating that lead but not too closely because it may lead to the Bidens and they’re dealings with foreign powers for favors. That’s the real high crime and misdemeanor here… not the fake bullsh1t stirred up by a group in denial.

    Everything stated in the whistle blower report has been proven true and corroborated by superior sources.

    Superior Forces!! Do they have super powers? LOL!! That’s like my great grandmother saying, “They say.” When asked who “they” are the response is, “Those People.” The whistle blower report… LOL! Put that one next to the Mueller Report. LOL!!

  25. Fast Eddie says:

    I found the testimony of the democrats’ star witness:


  26. 30 year realtor says:

    The only argument the Republicans can make that is based in reality is, Trump did all the things he is accused of but it does not rise to the level of impeachment. Everything being said about this matter by Republican leaders in the House, Senate or by the POTUS is a lie or intended to distract. Trump and his associates have been caught red handed.

    The lies are obvious and insulting. Amazing how the Republicans have gone off a cliff following Trump and are willing to obviously compromise their integrity by lying for him. Even more amazing are those who eat up the bullsh*t with a spoon and spout it back as if it were fact.

    Regarding Biden, the Republicans were in control of House, Senate and Presidency for 2 years following the 2016 election. If Biden and Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election were such burning issues, why didn’t they start an investigation?

  27. 1987 Condo says:

    Perhaps I am cynical, but I do not think the current Ukraine issues even rises to the level of the Iran-Contra Affair, which did not get to impeachment level. If violating a direct congressional law (Boland Act), selling 1,500 missiles to Iran and funding cocaine trafficking terrorists is not impeachable..then….

  28. 30 year realtor says:

    Next week Gordon Sondland. He knows Trump and has spoken with him directly regarding the matter in question. Sondland has already amended his initial testimony. Next week his choice is likely to be, tell the truth or face indictment.

  29. 30 year realtor says:

    1987 Condo, what rises to the level of impeachment is a far more interesting argument than the BS currently being spouted by the Republicans. It may even have merit.

  30. D-FENS says:

    What is he being impeached for exactly? Can you point to a law that was violated?

  31. Fast Eddie says:

    If Biden and Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election were such burning issues, why didn’t they start an investigation?

    Isn’t what this current “investigation” is really all about? And who could launch another investigation when we had Russian Collusion Part 1, Stormy, the poor illegal immigrants, Kavanaugh and other hysterical antics of the deranged left fueled by headlines of the overwhelming, radical mainstream media? Do you the snowflakes to overdose?

  32. D-FENS says:

    Ukraine already had the Javelin missiles:


    KYIV — The United States has confirmed to RFE/RL its delivery of American-made, Javelin antitank missile systems to Ukraine in a move that is welcome in Kyiv but will almost certainly enrage Moscow amid a four-year conflict that pits Russia-backed separatists against Ukrainian national troops.

    “They have already been delivered,” a U.S. State Department official confirmed on April 30 in response to an RFE/RL query on the handover of Javelins.

  33. ExEssex says:

    2:06 why don’t you tuck that tiny p@nis you’re packing between your cheeks and continue to sniff the McDonald’s F@rts of some two/bit wanna-be grifter.

  34. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I still try to save them, but I am no longer naive to who they really are. It’s not my fault if I can’t save them. That’s why I will still support educational opportunity for these Abbott kids. They deserve the opportunity, but if they don’t take it, we can’t feel sorry for them. You have to play the hand you were dealt. Pity party will only bring you down.

    Can’t stress it enough, but watch “The Wire” about education. See how that cop turned teacher came into the profession? He cared so much, but there is only so much you can do as an individual. That series depicted the problems with inner city education. It was on point.

    “He dismisses kids as hoodlums.”

  35. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Thomas Jefferson believed that a new constitution should be developed every 19 years to fit the needs of the current generations. I think he was on to something. Every generation has different needs and perspective. Don’t agree, OKAY BOOMER. LOL

  36. Joe says:



    Seriously you are out of your league intellectually on this blog with tripe like that.

  37. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Dead people should not be driving the process of current generations in fulfilling the needs of the social contract.

  38. 30 year realtor says:

    Which way do you want this. Either Ukraine and it’s politicians are corrupt and not worth listening to or they are the POTUS’s alibi. Which way do you prefer that? Or does the context make a difference?

    D-FENS says:
    November 14, 2019 at 2:17 pm
    U.S. envoy Sondland did not link Biden probe to aid: Ukraine minister


  39. 30 year realtor says:

    The language Schiff used yesterday to describe the crimes is specifically.

    “High crimes and misdemeanors” is a phrase from Section 4 of Article Two of the United States Constitution: “The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.”

    D-FENS says:
    November 14, 2019 at 2:03 pm
    What is he being impeached for exactly? Can you point to a law that was violated?

  40. Juice Box says:

    re:Ukraine and it’s politicians are corrupt and not worth listening to”

    Yes and Yes.

    I think Trump is dirty but this dog won’t bark folks. They need to find where the bodies are buried to beat him in 2020.

    There has to be another lawyer, whore, or dirty mobbed up business person in the NY Metro willing to squeal with enough pressure.

  41. Juice Box says:

    30 year – any argument made that the Ukrainian’s felt pressure is contradicted by their President stating otherwise. Why not call him in the testify or his aides?

    There is also a voice recording somewhere, NSA, SBU in Ukraine heck even the Rus*s**ian’s might have tapped the call. It time for Congress to stop p**us*s*yfooting and subpoena the NSA copy. There is even admission that the NSC was using voice recognition software on this call, then there is NSC scribe who was present in the situation room taking notes they should be called up as well.

    Seriously this hearsay testimony is ridiculous and would never be allowed.

  42. ExEssex says:

    2:59 what would it take for you to kiss my whole ass?

  43. Joe says:


    Just more ignorant nonsense from a weak and pathetic old man.

    You are fake news.

  44. 30 year realtor says:

    Juice Box, Why would you believe any Ukrainian politician over the US Ambassador? The Ukrainians have motivation to protect their interests and are unconcerned with anything else in relation to the US.

  45. Juice Box says:

    Bill Taylor’s testimony under oath in a court of law would be deemed that hearsay and inadmissible. Think about subjective interpretation 3rd party.

    Let’s ignore that for a minute, compare what he said to what another person who was on the call testifies too. Which one do you give more weight to?

  46. Juice Box says:

    re” kiss my whole ass.

    Might be allot of work. When you sit down with your iPhone in your back pocket does it turn into an iPad?

  47. 30 year realtor says:

    Juice, You have me confused. What about Taylor’s statement of US policy is at question? What about the Taylor’s testimony about the back channel’s policy is hearsay? If what Taylor testified to about the back channel policy is true, how can you believe anything Ukrainians say that is contrary to Taylor’s testimony. The only hearsay here is who was driving the back channel’s policy, not what that policy was.

    Next week it is highly likely that Sondland will take away any doubt about who was driving the back channel policy with first hand knowledge. If this investigation continues past 12/10 and Bolton is permitted to testify, all questions should be put to rest about the hearsay testimony.

  48. Libturd, the Master Beta says:

    30-year. You are simply wasting your time. The simple truth is, Trump threatened to (and most likely) withhold aid in exchange for an investigation into his number one political opponent in the coming national election. Everything else is is lies, deflection, almost entirely unrelated and at best is poppyc0ck. Of course, the lying-est liar in chief will continue to lie as it’s his only strategy. From bullsh1t steaks to bankrupt cas1inos to making believe he’s a rich guy so badly that he had to play one on TV. The president is such an ignoramus, he implicated himself! And the doofus’ who cheer for him and give him an unlimited book of passes are just as ignorant as he is. So stop wasting your time. It’s not necessary. He will be impeached and then nothing will happen. And the truth, between you and me, is that I hope Biden and everyone related to the DNC gravy train also get dragged through the mud (Trump’s big mistake). For a ticket of Warren/Sanders is the only thing that will save this corrupt country. Sadly, as long as Biden stays in his cave. He wins the nomination and the ignoramus who thinks he is saving the country by blaming all of its many, many woes on Mexicans will get another 4 stupid years of business promotion.

  49. Juice Box says:

    30 yr I watched it yesterday and found him credible. He testified about allot of things, like how Obama refused to give the Ukrainians lethal weapons and Trump was much tougher on Russia and gave the Ukranians lethal weapons to fight back where Obama puss**ied out.. What his said was a member of his staff gave a 3rd party account of a previously unknown Trump phone call between Gordon Sondland who had called Trump on the phone from a restaurant and asked about “investigations” the aide was supposedly “listening” in a restaurant to a cell phone call. Where is this aides direct testimony? Why and when will he be called up? He did not say which or when or who it was inferred that it was for Ukraine etc still all hearsay.

    Let’s see what Sondland says when he is called up first party testimony no more hearsay.

    You would not want to be convicted on hearsay and neither should Trump even if he is as real scoundrel.

  50. 30 year realtor says:

    Aide testifies behind closed doors tomorrow.

  51. Libturd, the Master Beta says:

    Trump should be impeached over that letter Erdogan alone!

    You can make fun of all of Obama’s policy positions until you are blue in the face. But, Trump truly is not fit for office. Especially not if you have to be 35 for he has the mentality of a 5 year old and the negotiating skills of a 2nd grader.

  52. joyce says:


    Joe says:
    November 14, 2019 at 3:56 pm

    You are fake news.

    Joe says:
    November 14, 2019 at 2:59 pm

    Seriously you are out of your league intellectually on this blog with tripe like that.

  53. D-FENS says:

    Thank you for the fifth grade social studies lesson.

    Which high crime or misdemeanor specifically?

    30 year realtor says:
    November 14, 2019 at 3:25 pm
    The language Schiff used yesterday to describe the crimes is specifically.

    “High crimes and misdemeanors” is a phrase from Section 4 of Article Two of the United States Constitution: “The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.”

    D-FENS says:
    November 14, 2019 at 2:03 pm
    What is he being impeached for exactly? Can you point to a law that was violated

  54. grim says:

    I just want to know when I can get a 6 figure board appointment in a foreign country because of my father.

    As shitty as Trump is, it’s clear that the Bidens are equally as shitty, they are just better at hiding their quid pro quo.

  55. grim says:

    What’s even shittier is, both of these “leaders” can flap their lips about no laws being broken, and no impropriety. But the truth is, they both committed quid pro quo for personal gain.

    They are both criminals – and both the best their respective parties could put forward.

  56. ExEssex says:

    5:53 Trumps daughter literally has an office in the Whitehouse.
    Nepotism seems to be fairly blatant here wouldn’t you say?

  57. grim says:

    Please make political family dynasties illegal.

    Term limits too.

  58. Juice Box says:

    Essex – Trump’s daughter and son in Law forgo their White House salaries to be a senior advisor to the president. This position was created by Bill Clinton in 1993 for Rahm Emanuel and later talking head George Stephanopoulos.

    Fact is it’s better this way they are out in public working for Women’s issues and Strategic planning instead of behind close doors doing back room back channel dealings. But hey let’s say they are lining their pockets too like Hunter Biden was.

    It wasn’t long ago they said Kushner was going to be indited in Robert Mueller’s investigation, yet nothing came to pass their either just lots of teeth gnashing. There’s no direct evidence he has profited from his position in the White House or put personal financial interests ahead of the interests of the American public.

  59. Juice Box says:

    It’s time for Congress-critters to get a taste of their own medicine, but it was a different time after a long war with Roosevelt when the Twenty-Second Amendment passed and was certified by the states. There is no will today to do that to the Reps and Senators.

    So for now we are stuck with Pelosi, Schumer other Dinosaurs from the 1990s but good news is some of the dinosaurs like Rep. Peter King from Long island is retiring after 26 years.

    I’d rater see money taken out of politics. With that you might get more honest answers from Politicians, but alas money makes the world go round and some say the root of all evil.

  60. 3b says:

    The average monthly salary in Ukraine is about 300.00 dollars. Hunter Biden got paid 50,000 a month to sit on the board of an oil company with no background in really anything. And yet the Dems remain silent. Screaming about the Russians and that awful dictator Putin but silence on the Chinese dictatorship and their concentration camps and their violence in Hong Kong. The Dems are self righteous hypocrites and the Reps are just as bad.

  61. ExEssex says:

    5:12 Joyce do your thighs rub together when you walk?

  62. joyce says:

    The snark was directed at Joe… stick to youtube music videos.

    ExEssex says:
    November 14, 2019 at 6:34 pm
    5:12 Joyce do your thighs rub together when you walk?

  63. ExEssex says:

    7:30 I’m sorry dear.

  64. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “With Development Everywhere, Harrison is Ready for its Closeup”


  65. D-FENS says:

    Seems like an important thing to report. Not seeing Ambassador Taylor’s quote son this anywhere.

    Ambassador Bill Taylor said that he had “no reason to doubt” Ukrainian President Zelensky when he said that he felt no pressure from President Trump regarding aid, during the House Intelligence Committee hearing on 11/13/2019


  66. D-FENS says:

    One of these is quid pro quo… the other is not.

    “If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. “

    “Whatever you can do, it’s very important that you do it
    if that’s possible.”

  67. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I remember on Med School interviews at Robert Wood Johnson, they talked about what campus you could end up on. One of them was Camden and the entire room gasped. The Dean, who was giving the presentation said “you know…some people think that this is soon going to be Hoboken of western NJ”. This was 2002.

  68. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You have to admit, nj’s cities have become much safer over the past 20 years.

  69. Juice Box says:

    #2 and #4 on Amazon’s best sellers. It pays to bash the snowflakes.


  70. Pumpkin Strickland says:

    Hey, I pumpkin I found video of your students visiting your house,


  71. PatrioticHillbilly says:

    The impeachment is a sad pathetic hoax conjured up by the TDS alliance.

    What the fake news is calling quid pro quo was known as diplomacy in the past.

    Evidence already in the public purview indicates Biden and the dnc were contributing to corruption in the Ukraine and not diminishing it. They are not immune to investigation because there is an election next year.

    And all the poor but hurt bureaucrats. They get a taste of what the rest of the country feels about them-that they are worthless and self promoting-and they start crying foul.

  72. Juice Box says:

    Here we are again 353 days until the next election and we are back to a form of mental illness on both sides of the isle, it happens every election cycle. It’s real mental discomfort experienced by a people when their beliefs clash with new evidence or information presented that is contradictory to what they believe, what they really and truly believe.

    This mental discomfort will increase an order of magnitude as billions of dollars are spent to sway hearts and minds as the election cycle ramps up.

    My suggestion to those feeling this mental discomfort already is to seek a way to reduce it, but do so in a healthy way. No amount of drugs or alcohol will help, only resolving the mental conflict between your belief and reality will do it.

    How you go about doing it is a journey you do not have to do on your own. Seek out others those with the credentials that can help.

    End of PSA, back to singing mud….

  73. PatrioticHillbilly says:

    Juice it’s so comical the way the language is used and distorted to rile up the tds people.

    Hello nearly every legislative or diplomatic activity is quid pro quo. You hand out public money and you get publicity, a kick back whatever. When you start looking at it that way they are all crooks, and I don’t disagree.

    It was the same way with the collusion hoax. Fake new start chanting the same thing over and over, tds folks start foaming at the mouth. Hello, folks our elections are for sale and there is foreign influence everywhere.

    It happens all the time but they are selectively outraged because trump offends their pc sensibilities.

  74. ExEssex says:

    Yeah remember when Obama stole $2m from his charity?

  75. ExEssex says:

    Week after week, data pointing toward a U.S. housing market crash keep turning up. Just last week, the National Association of Realtors (NAR) gave us evidence of a U.S. housing market bubble when their chief economist Lawrence Yun pointed out that “income and wages are not rising as fast and will make it difficult to buy once rates rise.”

    And now, another piece of data from ATTOM Data Solutions reaffirms that we are truly in the midst of another housing bubble.

  76. The Great Pumpkin says:

    How can we be in a bubble when there is a willing group of buyers to support current pricing? Yes, prices might stagnate, but no way in hell are we in a major bubble. Drop prices 20-30% and it will be an all out feeding frenzy replicating piranhas eating their meal. The rich with no where to put their money will be boasting loads as they jump on the opportunity.

  77. Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls says:

    The butt you are referring to is spelled with two ‘t’s Hillbilly Braniac.

    “The Dems are self righteous hypocrites and the Reps are just as bad.”

    More profound words have rarely been uttered.

  78. ExEssex says:

    AOC has a bangin’ body. Oh yaaassssssss mama.

  79. chicagofinance says:

    Another great NY Post Headline:
    “P0rnHub starts screwed after PayPal pulls out”

  80. chicagofinance says:

    No, but I do remember him spending $15M to buy beachfront property that will be underwater in 10 years according to Greta Thunberg.

    ExEssex says:
    November 15, 2019 at 10:12 am
    Yeah remember when Obama stole $2m from his charity?

  81. Juice Box says:

    Billy Baroo, Ooooh Billy Billy Billy


    If you have not learned by now when I say both sides of the isle means just that.

    I do not take sides I simply keep score.

  82. ExEssex says:

    11:18 Yeah but that’s not exactly illegal now is it ?
    Yet somehow stealing from a charity is ok with you.

  83. Juice Box says:

    Chi problem with ExEssex he is simply confused and perhaps sometimes overwhelmed.

    He did not check with snopes first, that dog won’t bark on CNN anymore.

    “neither Trump, nor his children Ivanka and Eric, nor his foundation, were found to have “stolen” or kept any of the donations, and so none of them “admitted to” any such actions. The New York Supreme Court explicitly acknowledged that all the funds raised for veterans groups had ultimately reached veterans groups”


  84. Libturd, the Master Beta says:


    I know, anyone who does not suck Trump’s little d1ck is obviously a closet Democrat. The typical ignorant Republican defense. Fake news. Blah, blah, blah.

  85. Juice Box says:

    I want anarchy bring Bernie in and burn it all down.

  86. D-FENS says:

    NUGGET: The Dem decision 2 retire “quid pro quo” & embrace “bribery” followed a DCCC study showing the word resonates more in battlegrounds

    It’s also clearly stated in the Constitution as grounds 4 removing POTUS. Could we see it in impeachment articles?

  87. D-FENS says:

    When i comes to “bribery”…what do you think the founders meant when they wrote that in Section 4 of Article Two of the United States Constitution?

    Is it to mean the President bribing another nation to infulence them? Or does it mean a foreign source or nation bribing a US President?

    Just saying…

  88. ExEssex says:

    11:23 I am actually underwhelmed. Drain the swamp! Lock her up!

  89. 30 year realtor says:

    Stone found guilty.

  90. 30 year realtor says:

    I would imagine the Stone verdict would be weighing heavily on the mind of Gordon Sondland right now.

    Stone facing a possible 30 year sentence. Wonder if he is considering turning states evidence to save his hide.

  91. Juice Box says:

    He was a nutbag to begin with.

    I wonder when they finally get Assange extradited here perhaps this winter will he spill the beans on who and how did wikileaks get the leaked DNC emails to begin with?

  92. 30 year realtor says:

    Cohen, Manafort, Gates and Flynn…President Trump always said he would hire the finest people. LOL

  93. ExEssex says:

    Right about now I’m enjoying a foggy morning, a bong hit of some fine Cali Canni and season 4 on Longmire. Life is goooood.

  94. Juice Box says:

    30 year your forgot about Rick Gates he cooperated and now that the Stone trial is over he will be sentenced as well.

  95. Libturd, the Master Beta says:

    The leaked DNC emails were the greatest. No homo!

  96. Joe says:

    Blame a foreign county for all their problems while constantly interfering in the affairs of other nations. The typical ignorant hypocrite Democrat defense. Fake news. Blah, blah, blah.

  97. Juice Box says:

    For those keeping score.

    I find it almost incomprehensible that the press barely covers how Trump supports Ukraine with the sale of lethal weapons when Obama would not. President Obama decided not to (sign) authorize the US government sale or financing of lethal weapons to Ukraine in 2014.


    The Javelins Trump sent early this year (before this latest bribery kerfuffle) serve as a tool of diplomatic leverage in negotiations with Russia on a setting up a UN peacekeeping force to be set up in Donbass.

    That is real leadership and diplomacy and help for Ukraine’s people in the conflict zone of Donbass where Obama and his proxy Biden utterly failed. Maybe if Hillary won they would have continued to deny that lethal aid to the Ukraine, aid they were begging for that they did not get and Obama would not ever send, that allowed Russia to march right in and kill many Ukrainians.

    But hey that story well it’s lost for all time now, fk Trump at all costs so what about Ukraine. The loser here will be some people nobody really cares about and the news won’t report on….

  98. D-FENS says:

    Javelin’s are hand held anti tank missiles. If the Ukrainians have them, there’s no fcuking way the Russians or any foreign army can take and hold territory there.

  99. ExEssex says:

    1:04 the Dems have started a War they’ll never win.
    But this ‘ll be an asterisk on his Presidency. He’s not going anywhere.
    Look for a close election on 2020z

  100. Libturd, the Master Beta says:


    Sorry that the Dems won’t give the Trumpster a pass like his supporters do for his many, many blunders.

  101. D-FENS says:

    Crimea would never have been annexed.

  102. Libturd, the Master Beta says:

    Fake news again. The Fed is only acceptable when revealing positive news. I know, I know.

  103. JCer says:

    Juice I agree 1000% on the Javelins.

    Here is the issue at hand is trump a tremendous orange douche, without a doubt. Did he pressure Ukraine to investigate a political foe, yes. Was there quid pro quo, questionable. Unless there is a direct witness, transcript, etc this is a losing argument. It becomes really apparent the Biden was involved in some real sh*t. 1m dollars a year to Hunter Biden, that is not some trivial payment in the Ukraine, gangsters were paying for results not influence. Democrats are treading on dangerous ground if the Rand Paul succeeds in getting testimony from the whistle blower and Hunter Biden they will have 2 choices incriminate themselves or perjure themselves.

    The entire Ukraine Euromaiden uprising etc firmly falls on the Obama admin and doesn’t look good. Basically we overthrew the government of Ukraine because Putin outbid us in financial aid(800m vs. 15b plus discounted petroleum products(oil, nat gas)).

    Biden and Clinton had blackrock on the ground and US mercenaries were inflaming the conflict. Let us not remember how we armed and financed literal nazis. I know quite a few people from Ukraine, many identify as Russian and even those who identify as ethnic Ukrainians would tell you Crimea nor Donbas region are actually Ukraine, most willingly admit the countries current borders are artificial created by the soviets post WWII. Western Ukraine is Poland and eastern Ukraine is Russia. That helps understand the Russian attitudes towards Ukraine. Ukrainian Nationalism is largely and invention of German Nationalists, a group we commonly refer to as Nazi’s.

  104. Juice Box says:

    JCER – Lost again in the news was the fact Biden was not a candidate until he announced Apr 25, 2019. Giuliani was over in Ukraine all the way back in June 2017 investigating Hunter Biden.

  105. 3b says:

    Crimea was always Russian. Kruschev an ethnic Ukrainians who was head of the Soviet Union gave it symbolically to Ukraine as it was all the Soviet Union anyway at the time. When the Soviet Union collapsed , Russia was weak at the time and agreed that current borders of the old Soviet Republics would not be altered. Meanwhile the west expanded NATO right to Russia’s door step while the Warsaw Pact was dissolved. Putin became head of Russia and took it back as Ukraine wanted to join NATO and there was no way he was going to allow Crimea to remain as part of Ukraine. Western Ukraine was and is historically Ukrainian and has always been when under Polish/Austrian control , but with a Polish population in the cities particularly Lviv. Eastern Ukraine was and is a mixture of Russian and Ukrainian.

  106. 3b says:

    I wanted Bernie to win in 2016. It would have scared the crap out of the bought and paid for special interests.

  107. chicagofinance says:

    Great quote:
    “When schoolchildren start paying union dues, that’s when I’ll start representing the interests of school children.”
    — Albert Shanker, former President of the United Federation of Teachers

  108. Fast Eddie says:

    I was busy making money today, once again paying my fair share to support the lesser information crowd. I understand the incantations of the left have moved from quid pro quo to bribery. It’s difficult keeping up with the mockery. Usually the lefty, looser oddballs ride a made up fable for a few weeks before it dies a miserable and deserved death. It’s hard to keep up here… Stormy, The Comey Crumble, Kavanaugh, Avenetti, Scaramucci, Dead Immigrants, Russian Collusion I, Russian Collusion II and who knows what other venereal disease the left invents! So, when is the impeachment vote (snicker… snort…)?

  109. ExEssex says:

    Eddie from the rest of the retirees and lay-a-bouts I say Dilly Dilly!
    May the Cheeto Prez continue his reign of stupidity and arrogance.
    He is truly a man of the sheeple.

  110. D-FENS says:

    Someone send a javelin to 3b’s neighbor. He sounds annoying.

  111. 3b says:

    3b is not annoying just a history buff. And when people speak of European history they need to know what they are talking about.

  112. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “Prices fell shortly after and she feared she got a bad deal, until she remembered a piece of advice from her grandfather: “The only days a stock price really matters are the day you buy it and the day you sell it. The same applies to real estate.””

  113. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “Why boomers, not millennials, are fueling the urban apartment surge
    Wealthy empty nesters looking to downsize are flocking to high-rises; in an aging nation, it’s only the start”


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