C19 Open Discussion Week 10c

Return to normalcy? We have the first signs of a return to normal weekly driving patterns in New Jersey. Almost want to call it a return to sinus rhythm after a period of afib. Maybe the patient isn’t dead just yet.

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80 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 10c

  1. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The amount of money out there is insane. These people don’t give a damn about property taxes or cost of a home. They have unlimited money. Anyone that thinks the rich would move because of 50,000 property taxes, just don’t understand how much money is out there.

    “With this $350,000-a-month rental, one Los Angeles developer is betting wealthy renters will skip their European vacations this year in favor of souped-up mansion stays.

    And Ardie Tavangarian’s latest creation is nothing short of souped-up. The six-bedroom mansion perched in the Pacific Palisades sits on roughly an acre of land, and features a fully stocked wine cellar, spa and movie theater. The master suite, accessed via a retinal scanner, has a custom-designed roof that retracts to reveal the sky, either entirely open or through glass. And guess who lives next door: Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson!

    If megamansions aren’t your thing, an Egypt-born entreprenuer by the name of Charif Souki is selling his Colorado ranch for $220 million. The chairman of Tellurian, a liquified natural-gas company, said he turned the 813-acre property just outside Aspen into something of a “mini country club” for his family. It’s so large that some of Mr. Souki’s friends who were visiting from France before the coronavirus lockdown are still sheltering in place at the ranch months later. “We confined in paradise,” he told Mansion’s Katherine Clarke. Read the full story here.”

  2. grim says:

    Man, fighting the anti-vax trend on ReopenNJ is tough work.

  3. grim says:

    Although this gem makes it so enjoyable..

    The Trump administration on Friday rolled out a hyper-ambitious plan to develop and manufacture hundreds of millions of Covid-19 vaccine doses by the end of 2020, outlining an aggressive process that, if successful, would shatter conventional wisdom about the typical process for developing vaccines for emerging infectious diseases.

    At a Rose Garden press conference, the president and his deputies acknowledged their goal, dubbed “Operation Warp Speed,” was lofty. Trump said the project was “risky and expensive.” Gustave Perna, a four-star general who oversees logistics for the U.S. Army, called the task “Herculean.” Moncef Slaoui, the pharmaceutical executive Trump has appointed to lead the initiative, said the goal was “extremely challenging.”

  4. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Just thinking about property taxes and what’s the answer. Think I figured out a possible solution.

    Why do property taxes go up? Because the richest part of our population(55 and over) run up the bill and then take off when the bill comes due. If all these retirees didn’t leave for cheap tax locations, the taxes wouldn’t have to be so high, as they would still be helping to pay the cost they created and used for their quality of life/making money.

    So have the cost of property taxes follow people no matter where they go. You can’t run up the bill and pass the buck onto the younger generation. No, you are responsible for it. You voted for all these bonds, well, you pay for it. You enjoyed the benefits of all those new schools, new roads, new parks, etc., well time to pay for it.

    Don’t pass the buck to the new generation that doesn’t get the new infrastructure or new schools, and has to actually pay for new investments to upgrade old schools and infrastructure.

    That’s the problem with people and society, they are always trying to get someone else to pay for their quality of life. Kick that can down the road..want the shiny new, but don’t want to pay for it.

    In the end, if we tie the yearly cost of property taxes with no way to escape, maybe they will do a better job of holding the govt accountable, since they can’t run away after driving up the cost.

    Probably too late for this, but that’s what should have been done. I hope all those 50 and older crowd understand what kind of dirtbags they are for driving up the cost of the bill for decades, and then bailing when the cost comes due. Pretty f’ed up.

    Since all these people that drove up the costs in the northeast left, it’s only fair to have a federal bailout. Raise the taxes on the locations making a living off rich retirees from the north, they shouldn’t get a pass on the costs. Make a law that anyone who is 5o and older, and left the northeast for a cheap tax location in the south pays up. Those are your costs, not this current generation’s cost. Pay up. You created it, now pay for it.

  5. grim says:

    Tax pension payments as in-state income, even for out-of-state recipients.

  6. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Keep up the good fight! Those people are morons.

    grim says:
    May 23, 2020 at 8:16 am
    Man, fighting the anti-vax trend on ReopenNJ is tough work.

  7. grim says:

    Balance of trying to gain some credibility, then going in for the kill.

  8. The Great Pumpkin says:

    No brainer..

    I just don’t think it’s fair to allow generations to drive up the bill and then take off when it is due… that’s worse than robbing a bank.

    grim says:
    May 23, 2020 at 8:46 am
    Tax pension payments as in-state income, even for out-of-state recipients.

  9. The Great Pumpkin says:

    F’d up part, we won’t be able to do this. They will have driven up the costs in low tax areas. So by the time we get to that point, can’t run to some low tax location because there will be none left.

  10. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Remember, these are legacy costs. Nothing to do with the current generation paying it. Federal bailout, or get these 50 and older crowds to pay for it. They are legacy costs, enough said.

  11. Fast Eddie says:

    Pumpkin seed,

    You’re nauseating. I can’t scroll past your posts fast enough.

  12. D-FENS says:

    But how do I get the microchip from Bill Gates vaccine out of my body once he puts it there?

  13. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Sorry, get carried away thinking about the generational theft that takes place in this country.

  14. 1987 Condo says:

    Hey, do I get an exemption from all this above since I have paid NJ School property taxes for 34 years and sent both my kids to private school k-12 and then to college out of state?

    also, my 22 year old daughter likes all those age related restrictions mentioned above, except she thinks the cut off age should be 40. Crazy Gen Z’er

  15. Libturd says:

    If 5G is spreading the virus, why can’t I get 5G on my phone? So is Dr. Fauci a hero or a zero? I guess it depends on whether or not he corrects the moron in chief or not.

    We are a nation of morons.

  16. leftwing says:

    “Hey, do I get an exemption from all this above since I have paid NJ School property taxes for 34 years and sent both my kids to private school k-12 and then to college out of state?”

    No, but you do get a free mental health examination ;)

  17. 3b says:

    1987 Property taxes are not high because of generational theft BS. They are high because of all the money spent on the schools. Every school spending referendum in my town was approved over the last 30 years. Massive additions and renovations.

    The realtors and school board members all said it will make your houses worth more. The younger boomers late 50’s early 60’s and Generation X residents voted in favor. The old timers voted no. Consolidate the schools on a county level and consolidate towns.

  18. The Great Pumpkin says:

    87,

    It was just thoughts…

    Point is, fed bailout is warranted. A lot of this cost was created by individuals that have moved to cheap tax locations. They have helped those economies at our expense. So it’s only right they give back.

  19. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Who used those shiny new schools? Who approved those bonds? Who’s kids got into great colleges because of those schools? Who now cries about high taxes and bails out to other states like a locust migration.

    3b says:
    May 23, 2020 at 9:45 am
    1987 Property taxes are not high because of generational theft BS. They are high because of all the money spent on the schools. Every school spending referendum in my town was approved over the last 30 years. Massive additions and renovations.

  20. homeboken says:

    Fab – from yesterday. If you don’t see that the once impenetrable stronghold that the Dems had over the minority voter base is fracturing, then you should consume a little media outside of CNN and MSNBC.

    There are about a half dozen grassroot movements that seek to educate the true impact that decades king allegiance to the DNC produced.

    Look up #Blexit, #walkaway and now #youaintblack.

    These are not going to swing huge numbers of the minority vote, but they will swing enough to make this election totally lopsided.

    The DNC can right the ship very easy but they have to chuck Biden overboard. Put Michelle in there and Trump will get trounced.

  21. 3b says:

    Homeboken The problem with Democrats is they seem to believe they know what is best for minorities, but they have never actually talked to them never mind lived with them. Many minorities are very conservative both politically and socially.

  22. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Those people lived it up in jersey from 1970-2005. They took out a lot of bonds and legacy costs to invest in the state during this timeframe and drive up the price of their real estate dramatically. They then cash out on real estate and skip out on their bill. How is that not generational theft? How is that not screwing the future generations of the northeast?

    The only reason those current cheap taxes areas exist; they are the last frontier. No one lived there. They are currently doing to those areas what they did to Cali, chi, det, and the northeast. Driving up the cost of real estate with all this investment using bonds till one day the costs get to the northeast level.

  23. leftwing says:

    I’m with homeboken and will take the same bet. Biden is not on the top of the ticket on Nov 3. Bottle of grim’s finest hooch in payment.

    The tell – the black cat in the matrix – was Klobuchar and Mayor Pete pulling out the night before Super Tuesday. As I said when it happened, it was engineered to avoid a drawn out primary process and contested convention. And that K and the Mayor would be rewarded…I will take side bets that K gets the VP nod.

    What happened? The change in the superdelegate rules that fcuked Bernie in 2016 threatened the Dem power structure again…one of the changes was that superdelegates can no longer vote on the first ballot. (Democratic superdelegates are DNC insiders, governors, and members of Congress).

    The Dem power structure needed to take Bernie out before the convention. Biden was the tool. In that sense if he works, great. If not, he’s a placeholder and someone else tops the ticket. All the DNC cares about is that the someone else is not Sanders. Biden, as the ultimate insider, would step aside for the good of the Party if given dignified cover.

    https://www.270towin.com/content/superdelegate-rule-changes-for-the-2020-democratic-nomination

  24. 3b says:

    Left According to the NYT , Warren is top
    Of the list for VP now.

  25. D-FENS says:

    Want to be pissed off? Look at Governor Murphy’s 2019 property tax bill. 1/2 of what it was in 2018.

  26. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The minute the population of an area doesn’t have enough new people coming in to keep up with the borrowing, it falls under. To pay for all these costs, always have to have a growing population.

    Is capitalism really just a Ponzi scheme or pyramid scheme? Serious question. Is our costs for society really based on the need for a growing population to support payment?

  27. ExEssex says:

    9:33 that was the deal in my old town in Essex co. K-5 was good town them dropped off an f’ing cliff in middle school. High school showed no end to the plummet. Though a few kids care out of there beautifully we knew the middle school was terrible. So, my kid went to Chatham Day School (CDS) for those years. It wasn’t cheap, but she did well and learned a lot. As for the big population of high IQ Hebrews in town? They all go Yeshiva route k-12. No rebates.

  28. leftwing says:

    For anyone who thinks my above post are rantings of a madman recall the history of the Dem party and superdelegates…

    In 1968 Humphrey ‘stole’ the Dem nomination despite not running in a single state primary. He got trounced in the general election by Nixon. The Dem insiders specifically wanted to take power away from people voting in the primaries so for the first time they created a category of convention delegate called a superdelegate comprised of party insiders. They represent anywhere from 15-20% of the convention vote – the swing vote at the convention, determining who gets the nomination.

    Superdelegates have played their role before, with controversy…

    In 1984, Hart won CA in the final primary denying Mondale enough primary delegates for the nomination. The day after – in June, well before the convention – Mondale made some calls and got 40 superdelegates that morning to pledge to him. That put him over and gave him the nomination. Repeat – in 1984, forty DNC insiders determined the candidate on a morning in June.

    In 2016, Hillary gained her momentum by rounding up superdelegate pledges during the primaries. News outlets reported her primary count including these ‘votes’. Accurate totals had Bernie leading the popular vote and primaries but by reporting these unelected DNC insider pledges all reporting showed her with an insurmountable lead and suppressed turnout for Bernie.

    This cycle, the race between Bernie and Joe was heading for a contested convention and second ballot. No way the DNC could have that happen. Giving Joe the nomination through unelected insiders for the second time over Bernie would have sent his backers running in the general election. So, they engineered the takeout the night before Super Tuesday through the primaries.

    Joe is a placeholder and loyal soldier. If the DNC power structure wants him aside, he’ll play ball and bow out.

    The fun question to ask…if it happens who tops the ticket? Will the VP step up, or will they put someone else over her (emphasis on her with an eye toward the swing states).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate

  29. Chicago says:

    Warren is death. Klobuchar would at least grab my attention. She got a touch too much Hillary in her, but she would be capable when Biden has career ending gaffe. We all know it is coming.

  30. ExEssex says:

    10:43 I grew up with kids like Klobitcher I d advise against it.
    Dumb, coddled, short, angry midwestern bitches are the worst.

  31. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Suburbs don’t have shiny new schools. They have 80 year old buildings with failing roofs and walls. Leaks all over the place.

  32. leftwing says:

    “Left According to the NYT , Warren is top Of the list for VP now.”

    No chance and please.

    No chance because she alienates most swing voters in the six states that determine the next President. No way the Dems are dumb enough to have an uber-leftist, Northeastern liberal, boomer, party insider on a ticket topped by Biden (who is basically a more centrist, male version of what I just described).

    Please…for the above reasons. Red wins.

    If Joe tops the ticket he has to have someone that appeals to the swing states (mostly midwest and NC/FL), suburban moms, and millennials. Warrens hits, what, maybe a 30 out of 100 on that scale?

  33. leftwing says:

    “Dumb, coddled, short, angry midwestern bitches are the worst.”

    Wow. Even worse than dumb, coddled, social xray thin, entitled, tennis skirted NNJ princesses?

    I should just go gay.

  34. ExEssex says:

    11:09 naw, just go to PA.

  35. leftwing says:

    Canada. Randomly met a few Canadian women over the last months. Healthy, wholesome, fun, outgoing, honest, easy on the eyes…should have looked north of the border originally.

  36. Phoenix says:

    Essex,
    And just think anytime you want hang a flag or something on the outside all you need are magnets.

  37. Libturd says:

    Left,

    You are right about the superdelegates. It’s an absolutely abhorrent tool of the DNC. It exists for no reason besides to keep the gravy train rolling through the repeated election of only establishment Dems.

    Nonetheless, it does not prove that Biden is a placeholder. I think you are letting your wonkiness get the best of you. If your party could fall in love with a former reality show host with a history of business failure and absolutely zero political experience.
    Then the bar has now been set lower than a limbo game in hell.

    In 2016, no one thought Trump would be THIS bad. In 2020, THIS bad is a known quantity. A wet fart could be that idiot this time around. Unless the Democrats nominated Michael Douglas, I think you are overthinking this a bit.

    Oh, and we’ll take your action as well.

    Chi, want in?

  38. Libturd says:

    Grim,

    Though you are probably right that the increase in cases in NJ are still in nursing homes. The counts are completely screwed up. It’s been a week since they pulled the plug on our local cop, yet he has still not been added to the Essex County count, even after our “counter” has repeatedly asked the county to fix the mistake. We’ve heard the same issues are occurring in Montclair, where non-infermed deaths are not being counted. Why? I have no frigging clue. But I am 100% certain that it’s going on to some extent.

  39. 3b says:

    Blue: I don’t know about your area, but in northern Bergen Co, millions have been spent on school renovations and additions.

  40. homeboken says:

    Left – I hadn’t thought about the Super Tuesday Bernie screw job and since that theory confirms my boss, I like it! Only partly kidding.

    The thing I can’t figure out, when they get Biden to step aside his replacement has to be someone VERY flashy. Because it seems to me, having a few million primary voters simply ignored seems like a tough sell to not disenfranchise them for the general. How do we expect that to work?

    Does Biden need to contract an illness or something where people say “that’s so sad, of course he cant run”. So how do you keep the small amount of enthusiasm from the center of the Dems and also pull the Bernie voter when he gets railroaded again.

  41. 3b says:

    Canadian women are very friendly and down to earth, even the French women in Quebec. They don’t seem to have that self inflicted angst.

  42. homeboken says:

    Bias* not boss

  43. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Blue: I don’t know about your area, but in northern Bergen Co, millions have been spent on school renovations and additions.

    Sure, the population has increased. In nearly every case, the addition is tethered to a building from 1940. Those were necessary costs to support the population growth. Your local likely isn’t making it rain. All that abbott money and school development money, it goes straight to the ghetto and they build schools that are 10 times nicer than your local. I’ve worked in two of the most wealthy towns in the state. Both buildings have been completely falling apart and there’s no money to fix it. Of course, there would be no problem if they didn’t have to send half of their money over to the nearest abbott.

    Our districts operate on half the budget that the abbotts do.

  44. ExEssex says:

    California is at about $9k per pupil now statewide.
    Comparing that to the $21k NJ spends.

  45. 3b says:

    Blue 2 grammar schools in each town, and each one has had 3 additions over the last 25 years. The 3rd one barely passed as they swore after the second one that would be it, than came back in less than 2 years with a 3rd one. The high school was built in the early 60s and has had 40 million in additions and renovations over the last 20 years. Ironically Bergenfield which is close by and people here turn their noses up at, has very similar SAT scores last I checked, and in fact Bergenfields math scores were higher. I don’t argue that the Abbotts take the lions share, but that will never change.

  46. Libturd says:

    Houses of Trump worship must open!

  47. Phoenix says:

    “California is at about $9k per pupil now statewide.
    Comparing that to the $21k NJ spends.”

    What would the figure be if we paid the 200 BILLION that is owed to the retirees?

    Or do the last of the boomers expect to skip out and leave the debt to those they suckered into buying in NJ?

  48. Phoenix says:

    “Houses of Trump worship must open!”

    They have faith in Medicare to pay their bills. And it will.

  49. 3b says:

    Biden also said in his interview yesterday, that he has been endorsed multiple times by the NAACP. They in turn released a statement saying they are a non-partisan organization, and have never endorsed anyone running for President. Yet another gaffe, or just another lie or perhaps just nit picking. Trump is deranged, but Biden? I agree he won’t be the candidate.

  50. 3b says:

    Phoenix: Talented people are attracted to high price areas, that was explained yesterday. So just move if you don’t like it.

  51. Phoenix says:

    3b,
    I wish I could.. a child keeps me here.
    But even you have to admit 21k per year is absurd. And even more absurd since that does not include a balanced budget.

  52. 3b says:

    Phoenix: I agree. I was being sarcastic, as some believe it’s a small
    Price to pay to live amongst so much talent!

  53. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Blue 2 grammar schools in each town, and each one has had 3 additions over the last 25 years. The 3rd one barely passed as they swore after the second one that would be it, than came back in less than 2 years with a 3rd one. The high school was built in the early 60s and has had 40 million in additions and renovations over the last 20 years. Ironically Bergenfield which is close by and people here turn their noses up at, has very similar SAT scores last I checked, and in fact Bergenfields math scores were higher. I don’t argue that the Abbotts take the lions share, but that will never change.

    Every town’s different. I can tell you my building is completely falling apart. So are the elementary schools. I actually grew up in Bergenfield and half of my friends graduated from that school. Bergenfield is a weird town. When I was there in the 80s, every HS kid would f*ck around and try to scare the elementary and middle school kids. Then, minorities of all kinds moved in. But everyone pretty much got along. The school system has always had a decent leadership behind it. That being said, I went to Franklin Elementary School on Prospect Ave. The building I was in still had the old “Boys” sign for a boys only school. The 1st were in an early 1900s style building.

    But ride by Absury Park HS. Neptune. New Brunswick. All pristine new buildings with gigantic gyms and all kinds of murals. Atriums with 60 ft high ceilings. Marble floors. If the suburbs even got a small percentage of that make it rain money, all their problems would be solved. Instead, Asbury gets to perpetually spend $30k a per kid every year to eternity.

  54. 3b says:

    Blue: True every town is different. We were a well run town, with reasonable taxes which was all thrown away with out of control spending. It has not done anything for SAT scores one way or the other. We also have an issue with kids from out of district between no enrolled in the schools, but can’t talk about it. The Abbots are a huge drain all the atriums and pools won’t address the real issues in those districts. And we of course the corruption in those districts.

  55. leftwing says:

    “Biden also said in his interview yesterday, that he has been endorsed multiple times by the NAACP.”

    He also said in the interview he was considering “multiple” black woman for Veep….

    After that first comment he was pulling anything out of his arse to backpedal…LOL, I picture about four staffers all in front of him and behind the camera waving frantically after the first comment to which Biden just keeps puking out “multiples” of anything related to blacks…

    So our 2020 choice is between President “Just Beautiful” and Senator “Multiples”?

    Gotta find me a sweet Canuck and settle down with her.

  56. leftwing says:

    “You are right about the superdelegates. It’s an absolutely abhorrent tool of the DNC. It exists for no reason besides to keep the gravy train rolling through the repeated election of only establishment Dems. Nonetheless, it does not prove that Biden is a placeholder.”

    Agree. Likely just a side benefit, engineering the primary win for a candidate that would likely step aside if asked. Think that would have happened with Hillary? Fcuk no, the Party would rather wrestle a mother bear for her cubs.

    On the existence of the DNC superdelegates and how far they will go to railroad Bernie they are still shooting his corpse to make sure he’s dead.

    Example: NY Dems through some legal transitive logic cancelled their primary and decided to award all the delegates to Joe. A Federal judge had to issue an order to force NY Dems to actually run their primary. Anyone want to guess how many NY Dems are superdelegates?

    The people I really feel sorry for are Bernie’s supporters. The are being so bamboozled by the Dem Party and their knowledge doesn’t even scratch the surface of how corrupt the Dem’s process is. If Bernie won 65% of the primary vote – clean – he still was never going to be the candidate.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/05/us/politics/ny-presidential-primary.html

  57. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    The only thing I’ve seen significantly increase scores in a town is a mass migration of Asians into new construction townhome communities.

  58. Phoenix says:

    Bernie got the Henry Wallace treatment.
    History repeats itself.

  59. 3b says:

    Blue I don’t doubt that. And I am sure that would be the case in any district.

  60. 3b says:

    Left And Biden s use of the word ain’t like he is trying to keep it real in the hood , as if Black Americans are incapable of using correct English. Of course I am
    Just nit picking.

  61. Phoenix says:

    3b,
    Just for you, instead of the typical Karen of the day, I’ll provide you the Canadian woman of the day. What a difference a border makes.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gon541/love_at_first_sight_in_the_middle_of_pandemic/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

  62. leftwing says:

    “And Biden s use of the word ain’t like he is trying to keep it real…”

    I can’t wait until they are forced to let him out of the basement, like for a Prez debate against DJT. Pure comedy.

    YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, MAN?!

    Lol.

  63. leftwing says:

    Lol. Thanks on the Canuck. Cutie.

  64. No One says:

    Does Biden have binders full of black women, like Romney did?

  65. 3b says:

    Phoenix Yes what a difference! Thank you!

  66. ExEssex says:

    Listen here you jive turkey…

  67. leftwing says:

    lol.

  68. The Great Pumpkin says:

    2800 sq ft home for over 3 million. Property taxes are 28,000. My question, why are the property taxes so high if the schools are at Florida level/cost. Probably have limited services. Forgot to add…hoa is 546 a month.

    Affluent areas are just high cost no matter what state it is.

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/50-Spadefish-Ln-Ocean-Reef-FL-33037/45832193_zpid/

  69. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Blue is right. Too bad it will never change.

    Get rid of affordable housing law, eliminate Abbott school funding formula, and end county govt. Easier said than done, but that would help a lot. Pretty much political suicide to take this on as a white politician. They will throw the race card at you.

  70. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Exactly what I was saying about WFH. It will destroy the mental health of society.

    “Nadella, however, seems concerned that remote work robs employees of participating in a full-fledged community, and might have deep psychological consequences. “What does burnout look like?” He rhetorically asked the Times. “What does mental health look like? What does that connectivity and the community building look like? One of the things I feel is, hey, maybe we are burning some of the social capital we built up in this phase where we are all working remote. What’s the measure for that?””

    https://insights.dice.com/2020/05/19/microsoft-ceo-not-huge-fan-remote-work-covid-19/

  71. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “As the economy enters what our economists forecast as the worst recession in the post war era, the market is telling us not to worry. And it is dangerous to ignore the market,” Subramanian said.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/21/its-dangerous-to-ignore-the-market-bank-of-america-sees-1-trillion-in-cash-to-fuel-stocks.html

  72. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Those reddit comments get it.

    “I could not have said it better myself. I love me some NJ. The NE in general tbh. I have a multi bedroom 2br house with a huge front and back yard but all the points you made are why this part of the country is not for me. I’ve lived in multiple different states and the COL is low but then you go outside and you’re… here. Crappy food, clothes sticking to your skin, everything closes earlier than it does in the NE metropolitan areas, and the hurricanes. Good lord, the hurricanes. And the bugs are also a nightmare.”

    “Good for barbecue and chicken down south, but yeah you’ll never find the variety we have here. In South Carolina I went to the top rated bagel shop and got a bacon, egg and cheese. Absolute trash.

    Edit: In Raleigh I also ordered a chicken parm sub and they gave it to me with lettuce, tomato and onion on it!”

  73. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Are schools really that bad? I mean I had some coworkers who came from these rural areas and they seem to get jobs in NJ no problem

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    HumanDrinkingTea
    12h
    I think it’s important to understand the selection bias involved in what you’ve experienced. You only meet the people who manage to make it “out” of these (presumably) low-income rural areas. Many people don’t have the resources (or education) to make that happen.

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    126CK_1981
    12h
    Yes, the schooling system down south is quite bad. There’s little money because they don’t collect as much in taxes here, so there’s little investment in the education and future of children. It’s a perpetual cycle that never ends. Don’t get me wrong, there’s plenty of stupid people here, but in the South it’s far worse. There were plenty of good colleges in the state I was in, but the problem is a lot of people don’t progress beyond high school so they’re stuck with the poor education that they received in K-12.

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    anniemg01
    11h
    The schooling is bad. We are going to move because I don’t want my children going to school here anymore. The teacher turnover is like nothing I have ever seen before. No tenure means people constantly leave, even in the middle of the year. I am at three schools and at least 3 people left at each school mid-year this year. Most eleme

  74. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Because those residents are the ones responsible for driving up the bill and bailing. Open your eyes..

    “From @WSJopinion: Why should taxpayers in Florida and other well-managed states pay higher taxes to rescue an Albany political class that refuses to restrain its tax-and-spend governance?”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/should-florida-bail-out-new-york-11589746538?redirect=amp#click=https://t.co/Xbs0w1EpO1

  75. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Talk about manipulating stats to fit your agenda. No kidding, when you have a large continued growth of new residents, what do you expect? Florida, wait till population growth stops happening at such a large rate, or all together, you will be in the same exact situation as NY. Your governing style is nothing special. You are doing nothing different than NY, except you have a large population growth rate. When that ends it’s over..

    “De­moc­rats in Al­bany are claim­ing to be vic­tims of events that are out of their con­trol. But they have in­creased spend­ing by $43 bil­lion since 2010—about $570,000 for each ad­di­tional per­son. Flor­ida’s bud­get has in­creased by $28 bil­lion while its pop­u­la­tion has grown 2.7 mil­lion—a $10,400 in­crease per new res­i­dent.”

  76. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “Remind me of this when the next big hurricane hits a “well managed” red state. After all, why should people from NY subsidize them living on beautiful beaches?”

    “Even though this is from 2015 — it is still relevant:
    “According to the U.S. Census Bureau, Florida had a debt of $33,315,277,000 in fiscal year 2015. The state debt per capita was $1,646. This ranked Florida ninth among the states in debt and 45th in per capita debt”.”

    “Half of NY retires in Fla. so self, should we bail self out? Sure we should. Snowbirds aren’t called snowbirds for nothing.”

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