C19 Open Discussion Week 16b

From CNBC:

Pending home sales spike a record 44.3% in May, as homebuyers rush back into the market

Pending home sales spiked a stunning 44.3% in May compared with April, according to the National Association of Realtors.

That is the largest one-month jump in the history of the survey, which dates to 2001. It beat expectations of a 15% gain. Sales were still 5.1% lower compared with May 2019, however.

Pending sales measure signed contracts on existing homes, so it shows that buyers were out shopping during the month of May. Sales had fallen 22% for the month in April, as the economy shut down to slow the spread of the coronavirus

“This has been a spectacular recovery for contract signings, and goes to show the resiliency of American consumers and their evergreen desire for homeownership,” said Lawrence Yun, NAR’s chief economist. “This bounce back also speaks to how the housing sector could lead the way for a broader economic recovery.”

The supply of existing homes for sale at the end of May was nearly 19% lower annually, according to the NAR. Single-family housing starts in May were not as strong as expected, although building permits, a measure of future construction, did gain some steam.

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238 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 16b

  1. Juice box says:

    1st

  2. grim says:

    Restaurant community in NJ are fuming.

    Many already purchased food and supplies for the upcoming weekend, in anticipation of reopening at partial capacity. Talked to a few owners who said they spent thousands of dollars gearing up. Not only food, but rehiring workers, hiring new workers, interior modifications for social distancing, having furniture moved to storage, etc etc etc. A number of folks I know opened outdoor seating capacity only in anticipation of the additional indoor capacity, since outdoor alone won’t provide enough revenue to justify opening.

    Yet Murphy is going to keep the beaches open this weekend (Florida is not), yet Boardwalk amusements are being permitted to open? Casinos?

    Oof.

  3. Juice Box says:

    People aren’t wearing masks and social distancing and Phil ain’t having it.

  4. Juice Box says:

    All the famous places got complaints too D’Jais Bar, Donovan’s Reef is Sea Bright, people aren’t social distancing on the boardwalks. The mayors of those towns aren’t cracking down so our governor is punishing the restaurants.

  5. leftwing says:

    Grim, shows the idiocy and randomness of the Murphy’s actions, which I have been banging on since, oh I don’t know, mid-March?

    The biggest miss is the simple connection to the real working world of restaurants…they stock food no later than the preceding Monday.

    The preparatory labor and rehiring hurts, but there are now a bunch of places with no outdoor seating and thousands of dollars of purchases made yesterday they can’t any sell any longer that will spoiler in their coolers…..

    Science and data, my arse. Made up and pulled from a hat is more accurate.

  6. Juice Box says:

    By far it’s the young crowd too, all they need to do is wear BLM shirts and say they are protesting and problem solved, virus won’t infect them because they are righteous and the woke.

  7. leftwing says:

    In the same vein of executive stupidity….

    Stepped on a flight yesterday for the first time since C19. Continental ‘segments’ deplaning, calling only five rows at a time to get their bags and exit while the rest of passengers remain seated. They announce several times it was for ‘passenger safety’ and that ‘social distancing of six feet is essential’ on exiting, again for safety.

    Since I was mid-plane, as I sat there waiting for the rows in front of me to collect their overhead bags I made note that my knees and elbows were literally one inch from my fellow passenger in the middle seat, and my mouth about 18 inches from his and 24 inches from the persons seated in front and behind me.

    So let me get this straight…..we need to take 20 minutes to deplane by row to social distance for passenger safety, but there was no safety issue seating people 1-18 inches apart for the entire two hour flight duration?

    It is this type of blatant idiocy – on display daily by our Governor Jackass – that has many parts of the population turning a deaf ear to their entreaties. They’re fools, prima facie.

    I almost made a recording. Figured someone will class action the airlines eventually. Great piece of evidence….Continental to passengers, by announcements and actions: we acknowledge as we cram together that you must stay six feet apart for safety.

  8. Juice Box says:

    Governor Jackass broke the rules and went inside a restaurant to get shelter from the rain, technically it says no indoor dining so he is OK, but then complained that his wallet got soaked, meanwhile the restaurant owners are getting soaked and he had to buy a new wallet. Apparently had time to sign autographs too why isn’t that against the rules?

  9. Juice Box says:

    So for the 4th I am having a small family gathering of about 15 people and three dogs. I may light some fireworks if I can get my hands on the good stuff, still working that out.

  10. grim says:

    NJ set to miss their big contact tracing ramp launch date.

  11. leftwing says:

    Jersey Dilemma….

    There are people here much more adept at solving the specific question of the best way to newly mortgage a 900k house to 650k.

    Related though, the more you are comfortable sharing the more advice you may get from some of us who have been through it.

    My first questions to you would be are there kids, where are they going to want to stay, how many nights will they be staying with you, are there child support and alimony, have you factored those payments into home affordability and mortgage qualifications, is the divorce amicable or not, is this the final asset you are dividing and everything else is settled or are you at the front end of the process……

    In that vein, aside from the practical matter of paying the after tax, out of pocket monthly cost of support and alimony you now have a brand new material monthly obligation that needs to be disclosed to lenders without a commensurate increase in income….while this obligation is not on your credit reporting it is discoverable…this point leads to my question on how well you and your soon to be ex- are cooperating and where you are in the process……it is much easier to rearrange financial affairs prior to the final order than, say, going out in today’s environment with brand new monthly obligations to refi a home……

  12. leftwing says:

    grim, all good info, but can I play these imminent tracing misses to make money in listed securities….random gifts are nice, but better if they come wrapped with a bow on top :)

  13. Phoenix says:

    Have you all learned your lessons yet? You should have become public employees. Teachers checks and pensions still cashing. Judges checks come in the mail. Murphy is getting paid. And Pumpy is enjoying the summer off after a hard few months on Zoom as he sips on a froze daiquiri at the pool on your dime.

  14. leftwing says:

    “Take me back I’m tired of the twenty first century”

    Having four decades of adulthood under my belt I can state with certainty that the 80s and 90s are severely underrated.

    They blow the doors off the aughts and 10s……

  15. Phoenix says:

    The look that is in for men this year

    https://bit.ly/2VuxXw4

  16. Phoenix says:

    And if you want to class action, hire that guy. He means business.

    “I almost made a recording. Figured someone will class action the airlines eventually. Great piece of evidence….Continental to passengers, by announcements and actions: we acknowledge as we cram together that you must stay six feet apart for safety.”

  17. Juice Box says:

    MTA subway ridership data still shows down 80% for all of last week.

    Where did those 4 million strap-hangers go?

    Friday, 6/26/20 1,103,755 -79.9%

    Thursday, 6/25/20 1,082,286 -80.3%

    Wednesday, 6/24/20 1,067,358 -80.6%

    Tuesday, 6/23/20 1,050,364 -80.9%

    Monday, 6/22/20 999,745 -81.8%

  18. The Great Pumpkin says:

    1. Pending home sales (contracts) rebounded sharply in May, topping economists’ forecasts

    3. Next, we have a couple of updates on consumer credit.
    • Mortgage lending has remained relatively stable even as credit cards and auto loans tumbled during the crisis.
    • Household delinquencies are expected to rise further, especially without additional government assistance.

    5. Morgan Stanley expects an additional $1 trillion in fiscal stimulus.

    6. The impact on household net worth has been much less severe in this recession than after 2008. That’s mostly due to the stability of the housing market and the rebound in stock prices.

    10. Inflation expectations have rebounded.”

  19. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Wave of Corporate Failures Stays at Bay—For Now
    Some on Wall Street are starting to wonder if the anticipated crush of corporate failures will ever arrive

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/wave-of-corporate-failures-stays-at-bayfor-now-11593509402

  20. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “India bans Tik Tok. The country banned dozens of Chinese mobile apps, including WeChat, as part of its response to a border clash earlier this month which left 20 Indian soldiers dead.”

  21. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “Who needs offices? Employers like Facebook are becoming excited about the long-term prospect of remote working, mostly because of the money it saves. But decades of setbacks suggest a bumpy road ahead. In the past, IBM, Best Buy and other companies scrapped work-from-home experiments after finding that telecommuting diminished accountability and creativity.

    But maybe this time really is different, because of the combination of a major health crisis and better technologies like Zoom. Some retailers, expecting that work from home is here to stay, are revamping their offerings to concentrate on a new kind of workplace clothing: the Zoom Shirt.”

  22. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The Long, Unhappy History of Working From Home
    As the coronavirus keeps spreading, employers are convinced remote work has a bright future. Decades of setbacks suggest otherwise.

    Three months after the coronavirus pandemic shut down offices, corporate America has concluded that working from home is working out. Many employees will be tethered to Zoom and Slack for the rest of their careers, their commute accomplished in seconds.

    Richard Laermer has some advice for all the companies rushing pell-mell into this remote future: Don’t be an idiot.

    A few years ago, Mr. Laermer let the employees of RLM Public Relations work from home on Fridays. This small step toward telecommuting proved a disaster, he said. He often couldn’t find people when he needed them. Projects languished.

    “Every weekend became a three-day holiday,” he said. “I found that people work so much better when they’re all in the same physical space.”

    IBM came to a similar decision. In 2009, 40 percent of its 386,000 employees in 173 countries worked remotely. But in 2017, with revenue slumping, management called thousands of them back to the office.

    Even as Facebook, Shopify, Zillow, Twitter and many other companies are developing plans to let employees work remotely forever, the experiences of Mr. Laermer and IBM are a reminder that the history of telecommuting has been strewn with failure. The companies are barreling forward but run the risk of the same fate.

    “Working from home is a strategic move, not just a tactical one that saves money,” said Kate Lister, president of Global Workplace Analytics. “A lot of it comes down to trust. Do you trust your people?”

    Companies large and small have been trying for decades to make working from home work. As long ago as 1985, the mainstream media was using phrases like “the growing telecommuting movement.” Peter Drucker, the management guru, declared in 1989 that “commuting to office work is obsolete.”

  23. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Cont.

    Telecommuting was a technology-driven innovation that seemed to offer benefits to both employees and executives. The former could eliminate ever-lengthening commutes and work the hours that suited them best. Management would save on high-priced real estate and could hire applicants who lived far from the office, deepening the talent pool.

    And yet many of the ventures were eventually downsized or abandoned. Apart from IBM, companies that publicly pulled back on telecommuting over the past decade include Aetna, Best Buy, Bank of America, Yahoo, AT&T and Reddit. Remote employees often felt marginalized, which made them less loyal. Creativity, innovation and serendipity seemed to suffer.

    Marissa Mayer, the chief executive of Yahoo, created a furor when she forced employees back into offices in 2013. “Some of the best decisions and insights come from hallway and cafeteria discussions, meeting new people and impromptu team meetings,” a company memo explained.

    Tech companies proceeded to spend billions on ever more lavish campuses that employees need never leave. Facebook announced plans in 2018 for what were essentially dormitories. Amazon redeveloped an entire Seattle neighborhood. When Patrick Pichette, the former chief financial officer at Google, was asked, “How many people telecommute at Google?” he said he liked to answer, “As few as possible.”

    That calculus has abruptly changed. Facebook expects up to half its workers to be remote as soon as 2025. The chief executive of Shopify, a Canadian e-commerce company that employs 5,000 people, tweeted in May that most of them “will permanently work remotely. Office centricity is over.” Walmart’s tech chief told his workers that “working virtually will be the new normal.”

    Quora, a question-and-answer site, said last week that “all existing employees can immediately relocate to anywhere we can legally employ them.” Those who do not want to go anywhere can still use the Silicon Valley headquarters, which would become a co-working space. Quora declined to say how many employees it has.

    Adam D’Angelo, Quora’s chief executive, said that he and the rest of the leadership team would push against the notion that remote workers were second class by working remotely themselves. All meetings would be virtual. The future of work, he wrote, would be a paradise for the rank and file.

    Quora said 60 percent of its workers expressed a preference for remote work, in line with national surveys. In a Morning Consult survey in late May on behalf of Prudential, 54 percent said they wanted to work remotely. In a warning sign for managers, the same percentage of remote workers said they felt less connected to their company.

    One very public setback for remote work was at Best Buy, the Minneapolis-based electronics retailer. The original program, which drew national attention, began in 2004. It aimed to judge employees by what they accomplished, not the hours a project took or the location where it was done.

    Best Buy killed the program in 2013, saying it gave the employees too much freedom. “Anyone who has led a team knows that delegation is not always the most effective leadership style,” the chief executive, Hubert Joly, said at the time.

    Jody Thompson, a co-founder of the program who left Best Buy in 2007 to become a consultant, said the company was doing poorly and panicked. “It went back to a philosophy of ‘If I can see people, that means they must be working,’” she said.

    The coronavirus shutdown, which means 95 percent of Best Buy’s corporate campus workers are currently remote, might now be prompting another shift in company philosophy. “We expect to continue on a permanent basis some form of flexible work options,” a spokeswoman said.

    Flexible work gives employees more freedom with their schedules but does not fundamentally change how they are managed, which was Ms. Thompson’s goal. “This is a moment when working can change for the better,” she said. “We need to create a different kind of work culture, where everyone is 100 percent accountable and 100 percent autonomous. Just manage the work, not the people.”

    But it is also a moment, she acknowledged, when working can change for the worse.

    “It’s a crazy time,” Ms. Thompson said. “When you’re a manager, there is a temptation to manage someone harder if you can’t see them. There’s an increase in managers looking at spyware.”

    Remote workers might be free of commuting costs, but they are traditionally more vulnerable. Jeffrey Gundlach, who runs the Los Angeles investment firm DoubleLine Capital, said in his monthly webcast that he had started seeing his newly remote staff in a new light.

    “I kind of learned who was really doing the work and who was not really doing as much work as it looked like on paper that they might have been doing,” he said. With “some of the supervisory, middle-management people,” he added, “I’m starting to wonder if I really need them.”

    At the beginning of the year, the unemployment rate was low and workers had some leverage. All that has been lost, at least for the next year or two. Widespread remote work could consolidate that shift.

    “When people are in turmoil, you take advantage of them,” said John Sullivan, a professor of management at San Francisco State University.

    “The data over the last three months is so powerful,” he said. “People are shocked. No one found a drop in productivity. Most found an increase. People have been going to work for a thousand years, but it’s going to stop and it’s going to change everyone’s life.”

    Innovation, Dr. Sullivan added, might even catch up eventually.

    “When you hire remotely, you can get the best talent around and not just the best talent that wants to live in California or New York,” he said. “You get true diversity. And it turns out that affects innovation.”

    Mr. Laermer, the public relations executive, is more cautious about the implications of the crisis. In March, when he shut down his office, he anticipated disaster — like what happened on Fridays in 2017, but five times worse.

    Instead, things have been pretty good. He even hired a few people he had never met, via Zoom, “and they’ve been phenomenal.”

    What changed? Well, the technology, including Zoom, is better. Moreover, “we have rules now,” he said. “You have to be available between 9 a.m. and 5:30 p.m. You can’t use this as child care.”

    But he said he was not trying to get out of his office lease.

    “Companies are saying working from home is working so well we’re going to let people work from home forever,” he said. “It’s good P.R., and very romantic, and very unrealistic. We’ll be back in the office as soon as there’s a vaccine.”

  24. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    The NJ Pandemic Response team workers who tried to whistleblow on Murphy that he doesn’t consult anyone with the proper science/medicine background on their decisions couldn’t even get their story picked up by NJ.com.

    They are now on twitter. Apparently, Murphy tried to get their twitter account shut down and he’s been trying his hardest to figure out who they are. Here’s a few of their messages.

    https://twitter.com/NjPandemic

    Isn’t is strange that @NJDeptofHealth
    employees found out about this literally yesterday? Forget about transparency to the public… Even the experts in your own agencies are blindsided by your decisions during this pandemic.

    That’s because these decisions are made with no scientific basis, and no pre-defined thresholds of any metric. It was politically expedient for the Gov to do this “proactively”. Meanwhile, we (and his Commissioner) find out on the back end and are asked to justify. We say NO to this arbitrary nonsense.

    He is only opening things that will make his political base happy while still putting on a show around “stages” that McKinsey was paid millions to make up on the back of a napkin. NONE OF HIS REOPENING ANNOUNCEMENTS WERE INFORMED BY STATE EPIDEMIOLOGISTS- WE WOULD KNOW!

    The nonsense coming from @GovMurphy
    , commish and others about NJ having a low transmission rate is stupid. Experts know that when enough people get infected there is a peak and a trough (which you can modify with social distancing etc) but that has to happen. NJ’s peak will be much worse than these other states who are going up now for the first time, and history will show our leaders failed. Being already at the trough of your distribution after you already screwed up majorly should not be cause for celebration. Again, political messaging.

    What an unbelievable, arbitrary set of school opening guidelines that were released today. If the governor thought to consult his public health experts, we never would have recommended the restrictions you are seeing. You either believe it will be safe to go back to school or you say it isn’t safe and recommend universal access to virtual learning. anything in between is BS and literally made up by political messaging people and the recent college grads from McKinsey.

  25. Phoenix says:

    Murphy is the Governor. He makes the rules right now that you are to follow.
    Funny how so many like to see people prosecuted taken down for not following rules and “complying” but when they don’t like the rules and laws they feel entitled to break them.

  26. The Great Pumpkin says:

    If WFH became a reality, and everyone did it, the economy is over. It will prob take down society with it too.

    You would literally destroy an insane amount of jobs. You would destroy more than half of the jobs in existence. For example, car industry would be destroyed. Everything from car part stores to supply lines would be destroyed. Insane amount of jobs. Then you would end up destroying the energy industry, god knows how many jobs that would destroy from janitors, to engineers, to managers, to sales.

    Cities would be destroyed. There really would be no need for them anymore.

    Talk about doomsday scenario. Yea, so never going to happen…

  27. Pumpkin SeesTheLight says:

    Yep, is a new world. I’ts not pretty.

    But with no manufacturing, 70% of the economy being services, a locust boomer decrepid, senile, idealess, morally, intellectually and now financial bankrupt generation still gasping its last virus ridden fluid filled breaths to stay in corporate and government power.

    This is a time for something like this https://youtu.be/_RaRC6YuYCQ
    Closest we got it Elon Musk, a dreamer Gen X – Electric Auto (Done), Space X (in progress ).

  28. grim says:

    IBM blaming loss of creativity on work from home.

    lol

  29. 3b says:

    WFH is here to stay. The cities will have to adjust accordingly.

  30. Juice Box says:

    I laughed at that one too.

    Pumps – I will give you credit you have a one track mind and can always find information to support your position on WFH.

    Covid19 guarantees we stay home, their is no immunity to potential liability lawsuits related to employee illnesses. A waiver won’t cut it either.

    Reality Pumps is Moscow Mitch and his business backers want immunity and the trial lawyers don’t. Guess who Pelosi stands with?

  31. The Great Pumpkin says:

    How do you grow the economic pie under an economy that is based on service? We are heading towards uncharted territory.

    For example, when I get a haircut, it’s not creating wealth, it’s only transferring it. Service doesn’t grow the pie (only way it can, say I get someone to cut my grass and I use that time to create something of value, then it grows the economy). Point being, if the majority of activity in the economy is service based, how do you have strong economic growth?

  32. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Adjust? Why would they exist in a WFH environment? Why would you need cities? I don’t think you grasp the consequences at play here, all you are focused on is saving money as opposed to death knell on our society.

    Not all progress is good…

    3b says:
    June 30, 2020 at 11:13 am
    WFH is here to stay. The cities will have to adjust accordingly.

  33. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I have severe OCD in case you haven’t noticed. It has its positives though, really let’s me think deeply about an issue by obsessing over it.

    “Pumps – I will give you credit you have a one track mind and can always find information to support your position on WFH.”

  34. homeboken says:

    I hear many saying that WFH is here to stay and cities will have to adjust accordingly.

    How do you recommend a city, like NYC, adjust accordingly?

    Hotels, restaurants, Broadway, museums, 5th avenue shopping, etc. etc. All these industries depend on the millions of commuters and tourists that arrive each day. There is no “adjustment” to that loss of daily human flow.

    Or do we think that maybe, just maybe, once the DNC wins the WH and Congress, that some of these governors and mayors may suddenly decide, it’s time to come back. Just don’t do it before the DNC can take credit for it.

  35. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Home,

    Based on human nature…that’s a pretty good theory.

  36. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You think exporting manufacturing jobs hurt? Grab your popcorn.

    “Hotels, restaurants, Broadway, museums, 5th avenue shopping, etc. etc. All these industries depend on the millions of commuters and tourists that arrive each day. There is no “adjustment” to that loss of daily human flow.”

  37. grim says:

    Work from Home in the new world does not mean employees live everywhere any anywhere. The new world work at home is about leveraging proximity in a hub and spoke model. Where employees can commute and travel to the office for meetings, training, onboarding, etc. Employees can work out of offices some percentage of time. It’s about balancing culture and relationship with flexibility and BCP provided by a remote workforce. This model addresses the gaps that companies previously faced with going 100% remote workforce.

    This is the model going forward, make no mistake.

  38. homeboken says:

    Grim – I agree and it is precisely the model my firm is employing for the short-term, likely long-term.

    None of the industries I mentioned above can survive on that model. Let’s say staff comes into the HQ for 2 days per week. That means that daily human flow will be down by 60%.

    What restaurant, hotel, bar, theater, etc can survive on that sort of revenue drop? The next question is – If there is no nightlife, no social life, no culture, no great food available – then what exactly is the advantage of being in NYC?

  39. homeboken says:

    Edit – industries should have been “cities”

  40. 3b says:

    Home Adjust accordingly means just that, however it plays out. Just like the loss of manufacturing jobs, those cities and towns adjusted accordingly and in many cases that included decline. Companies are not going to just come back to the city because of the hotels and bars and restaurants, and throw in the defunding/disbanding of police in some cities, and coming back is not an attractive offer.

    As for creativity before the pandemic many firms had already been geographically dispersing their teams in multiple offices, so WFH really does not matter when many are already dispersed at least in some industries. As well the cost savings are compelling and firms will not ignore that. Finally many of the younger employees with children want it, assuming the kids go back to school at some point. It’s a quality of life issue.

  41. homeboken says:

    I can’t listen to Phil Murphy speak without immediately thinking of:

    “The beatings will continue until morale improves”

  42. Juice Box says:

    re: “death knell”

    Bell has already rung. A recovery likely will Be L-Shaped..as in long long time

  43. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The destruction of our cities and economy to save short term money for corporations? This is progress? What you describe below is a better quality of life?

    Remember the bright idea to export manufacturing and its effect. The destruction of small towns and rural economy to save short term money for corporations. How that work out for middle America?

    “Home Adjust accordingly means just that, however it plays out. Just like the loss of manufacturing jobs, those cities and towns adjusted accordingly and in many cases that included decline. Companies are not going to just come back to the city because of the hotels and bars and restaurants, and throw in the defunding/disbanding of police in some cities, and coming back is not an attractive offer.”

  44. grim says:

    What’s ironic is that I think what Murphy did was more a reaction to Texas and Florida, as opposed to reacting over New Jersey.

    Why stop there? Why not reverse and close the beaches for the July 4 weekend?

  45. Juice Box says:

    WFH is here to stay through next year as the schools are planning on not reopening full time in the fall, with some variation of week on week off to limit classroom size and maintain social distancing.

    Parents will need to be home to watch them as well we know full time live in day care is too expensive.

  46. homeboken says:

    Grim – logic has not been a part of the shutdown conversation from day 1.

    Walmart = Safe ; BestBuy = Dangerous
    Liquor Store = Safe ; AA meetings = Virus Spread!
    Supermarket = Safe ; Schools = DEATH!!
    Protests for race cause = Safe ; Protest to open your business = Grandma Killer!

    The list goes on – It’s not about logic or safety, and it seems like it never was.

  47. njtownhomer says:

    I am fully supporting Murphy on the pause. This Mon on the beach (avoiding weekends) see most people are trigger away to take the masks off. Restaurants are very hard to monitor and make sense to limit the indoors. He is clearly monitoring Germany way, with the lack of Fed guidance.

    People should really look at the Euro way of limiting the spread. Clearly NJ was on a good tract but it could be really backlash in the shorttime. Politicizing this is very easy, but it should not have to be. Perhaps after Pence, they will put some veil to the Orange guy which will suppress the dissidents.

    WFH will be as Grim’s description. Even IBM a few years back moved WFH to a partial manner, 3/5 office + 2/5 remote ways for their remote workers. It was also a way to get rid of the dead wood which they still have a lot.

    There will be SFH (school from home), WFH (work from home) all partial possible around 50% for a few years. So we should be getting ready to adjust.

  48. crushednjmillenial says:

    In my opinion, the worst political decision of the whole Covid-19 debacle, to date, was the federal unemployment top-up. Rather than making the payment connected to unemployment, the Feds should have used a UBI model. Everyone gets $x a week for 4 months, whether you are working or not. If so, more of the populace would have demanded that the political leaders re-open more quickly and our economic hit would not have been as bad as it has been.

  49. crushednjmillenial says:

    On their twitter account, the whisteblower Dept. of Health employees wrote “[the NJ Governor] is only opening things that will make his POLITICAL BASE happy . . . .”

    Who is happy about the pace of NJ re-opening? It seems to me that the pace of re-opening has benefitted only the following groups:

    -amazon/walmart/target at the expense of small retailers
    -politicians hoping to avoid blame for not having the hospitals prepared over the economy
    -grocery stores (maybe) and take-out restaurants at the expense of sit-down restaurants
    -people who can claim unemployment (with $600 extra per week) at the expense of business owners and the balance sheets of federal, state, and local government
    -the medically-vulnerable at the expense of the non-medically-vulnerable and the whole economy

    Meanwhile, in a widespread manner, profits are down. Commissions down. Bonuses down. Selling the company – down. Continued employment for so many is shakier, if they haven’t been fired already. Everyone’s wallet is lighter, but can you imagine the feeling of a business owner that is slowing going bust from the arbitrariness of the re-opening. Somehow, I suppose, the mortgage deferrals, insurance deferrals, credit reporting deferrals, etc. are keeping enough people away from explosive anger about this though.

  50. homeboken says:

    Crushed – Re: mortgage deferral and eviction moratoriums

    When eviction becomes legal again, it will pick up pace and fast. We succeeded in putting a cork on evictions for 90 days now with enhanced unemployment benefits and removing the owners ability to evict.

    Collection loss did uptick but only to about 4% across nationwide portfolios. People were still paying the rent. Unless there is another round of stimulus and soon, there will be a wave of evictions, forbearance and defaults. All will be driven by collection loss.

  51. Juice Box says:

    174 on ventilators in NJ out of 992 Hospitalized for Covid19.

    Will have to see how the treatment regimen has changed.

  52. joyce says:

    I do not agree with a lot of what Murphy did. It would be easier to judge one way or another if they released more information. More information in general as well as the benchmarks they are using for their decisions. In and of itself, I do not have a problem changing/backtracking… but why not explain it with some data.

    njtownhomer says:
    June 30, 2020 at 1:28 pm
    I am fully supporting Murphy on the pause. This Mon on the beach (avoiding weekends) see most people are trigger away to take the masks off. Restaurants are very hard to monitor and make sense to limit the indoors. He is clearly monitoring Germany way, with the lack of Fed guidance.

    People should really look at the Euro way of limiting the spread. Clearly NJ was on a good tract but it could be really backlash in the shorttime. Politicizing this is very easy, but it should not have to be. Perhaps after Pence, they will put some veil to the Orange guy which will suppress the dissidents.

  53. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Crushednjmillenial coming out with some strong posts today. Made some good points.

  54. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yea, I see WFH playing out with meetings early in the week. Then personal productive work done at home on Friday or both Thursday and Friday. That’s the new work I believe.

  55. Juice Box says:

    FPUC (Federal Pandemic Unemployment Compensation) is ending July 25, 2020, that extra $600 a week of government cheese is going to make all the difference for 25 million collecting it now.

    It’s increasingly looking like there won’t be anywhere near enough labor demand to hire them back anytime soon as businesses are closing and many won’t be back ever.

    Here a list of things that Congress needs to address now before it all really goes to hell.

    – $600 unemployment benefit
    – State & local $
    – Stimulus checks part 2
    – Small biz $$ bailout
    – Biz “liability shield” – covid19 infections
    – Infrastructure, bridges to nowhere?
    – Payroll tax cut – will raise PCE
    – COVID insurance 4 biz? Perhaps a new gov insurnace program
    – China response? Sanctions? Travel Restrictions? WTO?
    – Return to work bonus in lieu of $600 week
    – Extend eviction/foreclosure moratorium – six months nationally?
    – Hazard pay for docs, nurses and first responders (they deserve it)
    – Do hospitals need more $$ if elective surgeries cease again?
    – Contact tracing – seem bunk according to Grim..
    – NOL deductions revisited?
    – Vacation deduction/credits? Yeah we all want a vacation.
    – Capital gains cuts? Bling for the rich?
    – Something on childcare? Dedcution? Gonna need more if schools don’t open

  56. Libturd says:

    They may want to consider reopening the courts too. D’s case, by federal law, was supposed to be settled in 45 days max, 30 days preferred. We are well over a year now. And so is every other case. I feel terrible for landlords with sh1tty tenants.

  57. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Because they don’t have any data. The competent people within the departments that they are supposed to rely on are completely in the dark from the Murphy admin. The experts in the field literally found out about his decision the same time we did.

    It may be the right decision, but it’s clearly not based on science or expert advise. With respect to Fl, Tx, and California, it’s pretty clear people stopped violating social distancing practices even prior to the “opening up” if you look at the Rate of Transmission value which began to rise above 1 back in April.

    There’s no common sense here. And, businesses cannot navigate this flip flop. Why did we wait so long to let people eat at a picnic table outside? Why couldn’t we let the barbers cut people’s hair outside? Why can we congregate en mass to march for justice but my two kids cannot congregate on an empty playground?

  58. ExEssex says:

    Ah yessssss. Dispensary run today.
    So convenient. You guys’ll dig it the most.

  59. chicagofinance says:

    Suburban Jews love their weed.

  60. leftwing says:

    “Apparently had time to sign autographs too why isn’t that against the rules?”

    Why would anyone near being in their right mind ever want an autograph?

    NJ voters get the politicians they deserve……..

  61. Hold my beer says:

    Dallas and Tarrant counties each had 600 cases today. Dallas had a record 20 deaths. I’m sure those 2 counties will be putting up 2,500 to 3,000 a day around July 15th or 20th. My neighbor had a pool party the other day that was packed. Another person on my street had a party that was so big both sides of the Street for over a block were lined with cars.

    Everyone I saw today was wearing a mask. Still had a few Einstein’s wearing it without covering their nose.

    Ironic the same people protesting closing things are almost always the same people refusing to wear a mask.

  62. Libturd says:

    Want some perspective? Costa Rica, a country of 5 million has had 15 deaths in total. We have terrible leadership in this country. The absolute worst in the world.

  63. Grim says:

    Costa Rica cases are spiking, new records every day.

  64. ExEssex says:

    6:12 Lowell Bro’s. Best so far out of …. lots.

  65. Fabius Maximus says:

    Out in Montauk at the moment. Busy but quieter than normal. Lots of vacancy signs so availability July 4th weekend is a first. A lot of help wanted signs as well so I guess a lot of seasonal workers didn’t show. Lots of mask wearing. Those that aren’t have them in their hands. No sign of Karen or Kevin. Its quite pleasant apart from the storms.

  66. Fabius Maximus says:

    Lib

    I’m on the other side of that coin. I want the courts shut as long s possible to run the Clock on my district. You can go virtual Mediation if that can speed up the process for you.

  67. Any questions? says:

    112 injured or killed in 83 shootings over 9 days in NYC: ‘I haven’t seen anything like this in my entire life’

    https://1010wins.radio.com/articles/112-victims-reported-in-83-shootings-over-9-days-in-nyc

  68. Libturd says:

    We are way past mediation. This case is taking so long, there is a good chance D will be done with his private school and back into the public school by the time the case is over. We are long past mediation. In our mediation session over a year ago, they offered us what it cost for them to educate him publicly. No transport. The whole reason we pulled him is because they weren’t educating him appropriately. What he has done in his first year in private school is incredible. What he did in his first two years in public school is not noticeable.

    Grim, their spike is like a Wayne Hills impromptu graduation party.

  69. Libturd says:

    It’s Summer in the city. Newark has had Summers like these. How many of these shootings are white on black? Oops!

  70. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Lib,

    Check plug lately…winner in the end, huh?

  71. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I day traded it for profit, but wish I held.

  72. Fabius Maxmus says:

    Lib,

    I have Gators email somewhere I’ll reach out offline. With a pulled placement I really hope you gave them the 16 days notice before signing the contract. If not shut up shop And take what you can get. No notice to the district is an automatic loss.

  73. Fabius Maximus says:

    Now can Jersey Mikes delver one of their new BLM sandwiches out to me here on the Island or do I have to wait to I get back to NJ!
    https://twitter.com/yassir_lester/status/1278141632613769216?s=21

  74. Juice box says:

    Sleepy Joe lying thru his teeth when asked about a cognitive test.

    I’ve been tested and I’m constantly tested,” Biden responded.
    “All you’ve got to do is watch me, and I can hardly wait to compare my cognitive capability to the cognitive capability of the man I’m running against,” he said.

  75. Juice Box says:

    fab – Mato= kill in Spanish. This means B L killer sandwich, you can bet
    There will be blowback.

  76. grim says:

    Contact tracing – seem bunk according to Grim

    Largely bunk, HIPAA prevents this from being effective. The fact that you can not communicate to the potentially exposed patient where, when, or who might have exposed them, makes the whole thing come across as a scam, fishy. To which the follow up is, give me all the names, addresses, and phone numbers of everyone you’ve been in contact with?

    Right.

    The fact that the US has done nothing to stop robocalls has trained the US public to ignore inbound phone calls from numbers they don’t recognize, so in the rare chance someone actually answers, the whole approach of keeping information secret for privacy reasons, and then flipping it on it’s head and asking to divulge tons of personal information, just comes across wrong.

    AARP has done a fantastic job educating the older American public about covid-19 scams.

    The simple fact of being able to communicate who, where, and when would go a long way to establishing immediate credibility, but that’s hugely illegal, regardless of the fact that the other who provided the contact details.

    Would be far more effective to tell everyone with a positive test result to pick up the phone and call everyone they’ve been in contact with. 100%. Unequivocal. Do your own contact tracing.

  77. Juice Box says:

    Re: “ Do your own contact tracing.”

    Isn’t that how HIV positive people inform those who they might have infected?

  78. Hold my beer says:

    Got fast food takeout last night. Noticed one of the cashiers every time she spoke she stuck two fingers under her mask to pull it away from her mouth. And another genius had his nose hanging out of his mask. Made sure to microwave everything when I got home. No use talking to the manager since he was communicating with them. Bonus some sort of health inspector was there too witnessing this and said nothing.

    I do not feel comfortable getting subs or anything you can’t nuke like frozen yogurt or sushi. Any takeout gets nuked 30 seconds or more so steam comes off.

  79. Libturd says:

    I always said that population density and heat had no impact on spread. This was learned in Wuhan.

  80. grim says:

    MTX Group, snicker. Shocker why contact tracing is failing in Texas.

    They undercut Accenture by $15 million on a $300+ million contract.

    Which tells me someone from the state leaked the Accenture bid to them, because it’s impossible they got that close in the pricing.

  81. Libturd says:

    I doubt it’s food prep though too reheat everything and do not order in cold food. I’m guessing going maskless in the grocery store is the most common place to pick it up. I always said that the hording caused the massive spike here. I still can’t believe that when it was initially running through the population here, the vast majority of people ran out to the supermarkets to wait on huge lines together both outside and inside the store.

    I will NOT wait on any line. This is where exposure time becomes a bigger issue than just being exposed.

  82. Fast Eddie says:

    Don’t fight the inevitable. We’re all going to get it eventually. Unless… a vaccine arrives sooner rather than later.

  83. Libturd says:

    MTX Group is a complete joke. It’s kind of like McKinsey in that they sell services (mainly to governments) which they should be able to both develop and perform themselves. I question what the hell most government workers even do outside of teachers, cops and firemen.

  84. Hold my beer says:

    grim

    2-3 months ago residents of that same area were bragging about no corona in their county and its a city issue blah blah blah. Those rural counties are weird. Unless you’re from one of them it is very easy to tell you are not local.

    Usually all the men are dressed in camo or cowboy attire complete with boots, hat and a holstered knife on their belt and they just look and move differently than people from the suburbs. Facial hair from the 1860s is pretty common too. Its a great place to recruit extras for westerns or civil war movies. My wife is always shocked when she would go with us to go hiking or fishing in one of the state parks less than 1 hour from us.

  85. Hold my beer says:

    Fast Eddie

    My supplements may not save me but my skin is now as radiant as a disney princess.

  86. Fast Eddie says:

    Beer,

    You’re glowing? lol.

  87. Fast Eddie says:

    CHOP has been chopped. But…but… I thought this is for justice and equality!!

    https://www.yahoo.com/gma/seattle-police-clear-chop-zone-arrests-mayors-executive-124601033–abc-news-topstories.html

  88. Juice Box says:

    Three large scale phase three vaccine trials have started. We should have an something soon for those at risk.

  89. Hold my beer says:

    Fast Eddie

    Like Snow White

  90. Juice Box says:

    Eddie – the “protesters” went to the Mayor’s house in Seattle, once it is you and yours at risk the tune changes.

  91. Fast Eddie says:

    “Four shootings — two fatal — robberies, assaults, violence and countless property crimes have occurred in this several block area.”

    Anything Trump is infinitely better than some sociological engineering project. The media fed this whole protest thing where destruction of any object, building or monument became disguised as free speech and equality. The Republicans now have a dumpster full of links, quotes and images for their campaign and must outline how the left will ride Biden like a red-headed mule to champion their ’cause’. None of this has anything to do with rac1sm or inequality and has everything to do with justice and order.

  92. grim says:

    China approving the vaccine for military use is a major next step. They’ve probably already given it to a thousand soldiers.

  93. grim says:

    I may or may not have something to do with twenty something thousand contact tracers around the world. Who knows? Either way.

  94. Libturd says:

    25,000 was the number they were hiring (that I read).

  95. ExEssex says:

    11:18 you should probably start considering the fact that Trump might lose.

  96. Fast Eddie says:

    Essex,

    And if loses, who does the media and entertainers bash or blame for the world’s ills? Remember, Oblammy had eight years to remove monuments and champion the cause of the poor and destitute. What happened?

  97. Juice Box says:

    It would make for great TV if instead of debates the two candidates took a live cognitive test.

  98. joyce says:

    Libturd,
    If standing in a line, i.e. amongst other people in close proximity, increases the risk of transmission… how does population density have no impact?

  99. joyce says:

    Would be the highest rated show ever. Hell, make it a PPV. Wouldn’t that be awesome.. Trump PPV, win or loses the election he’ll have a nice parting gift.

    Juice Box says:
    July 1, 2020 at 12:27 pm
    It would make for great TV if instead of debates the two candidates took a live cognitive test.

  100. Libturd says:

    “If standing in a line, i.e. amongst other people in close proximity, increases the risk of transmission… how does population density have no impact?”

    Come on now. We all don’t live 6 feet from each other. Once city folk locked down, it stopped spreading.

  101. crushednjmillenial says:

    While there is plenty to point to as negative within the current presidential administration, I am at a loss for why most on this site are so bearish about his re-election chances.

    Simply, I would personally imagine that the recent riots and monument destruction sway more swing voters toward the Republicans than toward the Democrats. And, I would imagine that the visceral images of the riots and monument destruction have much more impact than the slow burn of uncouth behavior, Russia investigation, kids in cages, me too, and the handling of Covid to date.

    As of today, I haven’t followed it closely, but the Afghan bounty story could turn into something that does sink his re-election chances (i.e., the Republican base and Republican-leaning voters are pro-military, so if the president knew about this in 2019 and didn’t take action, then it would be very politically damaging). Also, the economy could be much worse by October and early November. If Covid does turn into a one million+ US fatalities happening, I wonder if the blame can be successfully cast from the administration to China. Finally, there are always potential October surprises. But these four prospective issues seem, to me, to be more negative for the president’s re-election chances than anything else over the last few years.

  102. Libturd says:

    None of this matters Crushed.

    Trump will lose mainly because a lot of people didn’t vote for HRC because she blew. Those who made that mistake last time and had to endure 4 years of a guy making believe he knows what he is doing, will not make the same mistake again. Especially since Biden is not ownded quite like HRC was.

    This one was over long before Covid and the riots.

  103. joyce says:

    Right, but we didn’t fully lock down ala Wuhan. We didn’t weld shut any doors. If it was being spread in the few remaining open businesses or in neighborhoods/apartment buildings, wouldn’t more densely populated areas have more people going to shoprite and home depot?

    Libturd says:
    July 1, 2020 at 12:58 pm
    “If standing in a line, i.e. amongst other people in close proximity, increases the risk of transmission… how does population density have no impact?”

    Come on now. We all don’t live 6 feet from each other. Once city folk locked down, it stopped spreading.

  104. ExEssex says:

    12:27 I’m not 100% sure you are readying yourself here.

  105. Libturd says:

    Joyce,

    Yes. You take me too literally when I don’t even have enough time to proofread. When this thing was out of control in the tri-state, everyone said it wouldn’t spread due to lack of population density. I said, that’s crapola. You are just as likely to get the flu in East Bumfukc, Montana as you are to get it in NYC.

    That’s what I meant. It just takes time to spread.

    Wear your masks properly. Don’t touch them or your face once you go out in public, but especially in tighter quarters inside. Sanitize your hands when you back to your car. Wash your hands with warm water and soap when you get back home.

    Simple stuff that teenagers and people in their 20’s can’t seem to grasp.

  106. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I just picked up takeout from a local eatery. They had customers eating inside at one of the tables. This is a place who’s signature dishes aren’t really made for takeout purposes. I suspect they are in a dire position and can’t afford to turn down business.

  107. 3b says:

    Lib Biden is just as owned as Hillary.

  108. Juice Box says:

    Another 20 weeks of state unemployment benefits coming.

    “The state extension kicks in after claimants exhaust up to 26 weeks of state unemployment plus 13 weeks of federal Pandemic Emergency Unemployment Compensation (PEUC),” the Labor Department said. “The additional 20 weeks of benefits brings to 59 the maximum number of weeks an eligible claimant may receive in benefits at this time.”

    Workers will be automatically enrolled into extended benefits as their federal extension ends, the agency said. They do not need to contact an agent or reapply for benefits.

    The benefits extension is kicking in because the state has hit benchmarks set by the federal government, including a high rate of unemployment, which was 15.2 percent in May, the state said.”

  109. Fast Eddie says:

    Simply, I would personally imagine that the recent riots and monument destruction sway more swing voters toward the Republicans than toward the Democrats.

    Folks, we have a winner!

    2% of the population rioting, looting, protesting and burning is backed by 98% of the media.

  110. Walking says:

    Lincoln will be history soon. His statue is coming down in several states

  111. Perth Amboy knows says:

    re: crushednjmillenial at 12:58 pm

    These things are decided in the aggregate; think “are you better off than 4 years ago?”, “tired of winning?”. Opinions are formed in the aggregate and no single issue has a predominant impact other than at some point tipping the balance in your thinking.
    We are presently consumed in an internal fight caused by, and inflamed by the replacement of kindness and character by greed and power as the defining barometer in society; caused by generational warfare, ideological extremism, and selfishness. All decisions will be made and won by the highest bidder which brings me to Fast “chubster” Eddie as the tell: his hideous, oh so trendy split level makes him think he’s living the life – buy a BMW 330ixDrive did we? Used doesn’t really count Fast Chubby but as a measure of your accomplishment, which is soooo important to you, we get what you want us to think about your “success” – btw he thinks Home Depot’s Moon Glass #S420-2 in the bathroom is a nice color – scary.

  112. Walking says:

    I wonder if a miracle vaccine in October sways voters back to Trump? Im seeing more female suburban never trumpets stating they will vote Trump if the democratic party keeps getting pushed around. Biden can pull it off, he is calming and polished which Trump is not. But if Biden can’t control the millenials, and if history is correct that youngster don’t vote we may have a surprise Trump victory again

  113. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I now know two people have who have unfortunately taken their lives during these past months. One, age 24, another age 42, the latter leaving behind wife and kids. The latter never showed any signs of depression during the 30+ years I knew him.

  114. 3b says:

    Juice but no continuation of extra 600.00 from Fed.

  115. 3b says:

    What’s the problem with Lincoln?

  116. Walking says:

    lincoln- from what I understand, there may have been some back room negotations trying to avoid war, keep slaves, save the union. When talks fell apart Lincoln freed the slaves hoping they would join the union.

  117. Fast Eddie says:

    Pithy Amboy,

    his hideous, oh so trendy split level makes him think he’s living the life…

    4,000 Sq. ft. Center Hall Colonial, get it right. And the BMW was paid for, in full, with one signature.

  118. chicagofinance says:

    I was just thinking that it must be nice protesting in a park while getting paid. The best would be a WFH govt employee on payroll protesting the government.

    So 2020.

    Juice Box says:
    July 1, 2020 at 2:09 pm
    Another 20 weeks of state unemployment benefits coming.

    “The state extension kicks in after claimants exhaust up to 26 weeks of state unemployment plus 13 weeks of federal Pandemic Emergency Unemployment Compensation (PEUC),” the Labor Department said. “The additional 20 weeks of benefits brings to 59 the maximum number of weeks an eligible claimant may receive in benefits at this time.”

    Workers will be automatically enrolled into extended benefits as their federal extension ends, the agency said. They do not need to contact an agent or reapply for benefits.

    The benefits extension is kicking in because the state has hit benchmarks set by the federal government, including a high rate of unemployment, which was 15.2 percent in May, the state said.”

  119. chicagofinance says:

    All that matters are the critical swing voters in a series of important counties in FL, OH, PA, MI, WI.

    It probably comes down to how much Trump gets blamed in FL for the COVID blow-up, and how bad the riot stuff plays in suburbs of Pittsburgh, Philly, Detroit, Cleveland, Madison etc.

    Seriously…… you couldn’t have scripted a worse way to conduct yourself as President than Trump in the last six weeks. Tweeting “White Power”? WTF? idiot

    crushednjmillenial says:
    July 1, 2020 at 12:58 pm
    While there is plenty to point to as negative within the current presidential administration, I am at a loss for why most on this site are so bearish about his re-election chances.

    Simply, I would personally imagine that the recent riots and monument destruction sway more swing voters toward the Republicans than toward the Democrats. And, I would imagine that the visceral images of the riots and monument destruction have much more impact than the slow burn of uncouth behavior, Russia investigation, kids in cages, me too, and the handling of Covid to date.

    As of today, I haven’t followed it closely, but the Afghan bounty story could turn into something that does sink his re-election chances (i.e., the Republican base and Republican-leaning voters are pro-military, so if the president knew about this in 2019 and didn’t take action, then it would be very politically damaging). Also, the economy could be much worse by October and early November. If Covid does turn into a one million+ US fatalities happening, I wonder if the blame can be successfully cast from the administration to China. Finally, there are always potential October surprises. But these four prospective issues seem, to me, to be more negative for the president’s re-election chances than anything else over the last few years.

  120. chicagofinance says:

    Here is a bitter question for Sleepy Joe…..

    Constantly tested? Hmmmm….. why exactly the fcuk do you need to be constantly tested you moron?

    Juice box says:
    July 1, 2020 at 6:07 am
    Sleepy Joe lying thru his teeth when asked about a cognitive test.

    I’ve been tested and I’m constantly tested,” Biden responded.
    “All you’ve got to do is watch me, and I can hardly wait to compare my cognitive capability to the cognitive capability of the man I’m running against,” he said.

  121. grim says:

    I don’t think Biden and Trump debate at all before the election.

  122. Fast Eddie says:

    Pithy Amboy,

    All decisions will be made and won by the highest bidder

    That is correct. And the BMW is a 2018 with 15,000 miles on it. See, the difference in cost between that car and a new one will be used for further investments… thereby increasing my wealth leading to more comfort and greater security. That’s what the bloodsucking appendages on the left fail to comprehend nor have the ability to achieve.

  123. joyce says:

    Should have bought a Toyota and invested the difference

    Fast Eddie says:
    July 1, 2020 at 3:17 pm
    Pithy Amboy,

    All decisions will be made and won by the highest bidder

    That is correct. And the BMW is a 2018 with 15,000 miles on it. See, the difference in cost between that car and a new one will be used for further investments… thereby increasing my wealth leading to more comfort and greater security. That’s what the bloodsucking appendages on the left fail to comprehend nor have the ability to achieve.

  124. Fast Eddie says:

    Should have bought a Toyota and invested the difference

    How do you think I got to this level?

  125. 3b says:

    It’s much more than gaffes with Biden, but the media constantly give him a pass.

  126. Walking says:

    Interesting that chop was taken down today in Seattle after the liberals mayor house was published and protestors marched to her home. Apparently that was over the line

  127. Libturd says:

    3b,

    Owned. Yes. They all are, so my mistake. But, Biden hasn’t been running around the world taking monstrous donations for a questionable foundation in exchange for immediate favor.

  128. homeboken says:

    3b – Media gives Biden a pass.

    No kidding!! Question from Trump’s (KMac) presser vs Biden presser

    1. Is the president happy that the south lost the civil war?

    2. VP Biden, what will you do to unite the country?

    Anyone that takes any main stream media outlet seriously is a damaged person. That includes CNN, FOX, MSNBC, et all. Tucker Carlson is pretty good, at least recently, though he has gone off the deep end in the past.

    Grim – I agree, there will not be 1 debate. DNC will blame GOP and vice versa.

    I want it to be law – If you are a POTUS nominee of the DNC or GOP or other major party, you legally must appear at 3 debates or you don’t go on the ballot.

    All debates should be in an empty studio, no audience, no moderator. Just a time keeper and 2 candidates conversing for 60/90 minutes.

  129. joyce says:

    Tucker Carlson is a joke.

  130. ExEssex says:

    BMWs are just cool. At least most of them.
    I’ve not owned a huge one. The smaller ones are really fun to toss around.
    My favorites are restored classics. I have had few older cars I have lovingly rebuilt.
    There’s just something about vintage cars. It takes some $$$ to keep the old ones running. Status? OK, but they’re also a blast to drive. I’ve never been that into Toyota’s.
    I do have a newish 2018 Outback 3.6l and that’s a wonderful car with all the bells & whistles. It’s “the” car to drive in a rain or snowstorm. Super stable and just mechanically perfect. Wife drives an adorable little Mercedes SUV. The BMW? Once that is out of warrantee you’ll want to keep a small pot of money around for maintenance. Trust me.

  131. Phoenix says:

    “2% of the population rioting, looting, protesting and burning is backed by 98% of the media.”

    All of it could have been avoided if the “so called” justice system did it’s job. People are waking up to the fact that it is America’s biggest joke and they are the punch line.

    I am fully convinced that the only place to get justice in America is social media.
    If that’s the venue, let it play there. I’m game.

    Don’t hate the playa, hate the game.

    In other business:

    Mask up greedy boomers. The kid’s are not dying from this. And they don’t care about you cause you don’t care about them or their future, only about yourself. You are the reason for all of the debt, overpriced housing, expensive college costs, All of this money and resources are being spent so a handful of you get to breathe a few years longer, so be grateful for all of the dollars in debt America is dumping on the youth so you get your Medicare. A little humility could go a long way.

  132. chicagofinance says:

    jj Lives:
    A coronavirus patient in France suffered a four-hour er5ction due to a blood clot that may have been triggered by the illness, doctors have warned.

    The 62-year-old man experienced the painful condition known as priapism while in the intensive care unit at a Le Chesnay hospital, according to a case report in The American Journal of Emergency Medicine.

    Doctors initially applied an ice pack to the area, but after four hours his er5ction still had not disappeared.

    Using a needle, they instead decided to drain the blood from his peni$ and discovered that it was full of blood clots, the report said.

  133. chicagofinance says:

    left: WTF is this?
    The key consideration in our decision to reopen is public health, and so I would like to take a moment to explain, in particular, the findings of the epidemiological modeling. The analysis, done by Operations Research and Information Engineering Professor Peter Frazier and his team, showed that residential instruction, when coupled with a robust virus screening program of the form we intend to implement, is a better option for protecting the public health of our community than a purely online semester. This counterintuitive result stems from the expectation, borne out in our student surveys, that a large number of our students would choose to return to Ithaca even if we were wholly online; and they would live together and socially interact without the mandatory virus screening tests and behavioral requirements (described below) that Cornell can impose if students are enrolled as part of a residential semester.

    https://covid.cornell.edu/updates/20200630-reactivate-campus.cfm

  134. SomeOne says:

    Chi,

    I was just thinking that it must be nice protesting in a park while getting paid. The best would be a WFH govt employee on payroll protesting the government.

    This is probably not the forum where most posts seem to be made during work hours, and not much activity on weekends.

  135. JCer says:

    Phoenix, that’s such a cop out, the riots have nothing to do with criminal justice. N0 one even waited to see what the criminal justice system would do. It is very difficult to have a criminal justice system that is both fair and effective.

    In reality the riots were a result of boredom from COVID/unemployment and an election year that not only had democrats ignoring the riots but rather actively encouraging them.

    The data we have directly undermines the whole notion of BLM. BLM takes the tact under the guise of racial justice and a notion that literally no one is disputing(that black lives matter) to advance certain politicians. The goal of BLM is to install soci@list candidates, nothing else, they have no platform for police or criminal justice reform whatsoever. In fact they are telling folks to vote for Biden a guys whose record on criminal justice isn’t so good(didn’t he co-sponsor the 1994 bill that sent tons of black folks to jail for crack?). Trump is a moron but the democrats are in charge in the districts where these incidents are happening , what does voting a democrat in as president have to do with localized instances of police brutality? None of this passes the smell test, these riots are about politics….

  136. Libturd says:

    Want to debate with Biden? Show us your taxes! Sucks, doesn’t it? What does Trump have to hide?

    See how this works? You all gave him one of a million passes.

    In other news. Those protests were not orchestrated. Black people are pissed. You just don’t live among them, so you don’t realize the sh1t they have to go through. There’s been some excellent public shaming (which I don’t believe is effective) in Montclair on Facebook lately.

  137. Phoenix says:

    “N0 one even waited to see what the criminal justice system would do.”

    Really?? People have been waiting for years for the criminal justice system to do something. Lawyers, police and judges are a bunch of cretins who can’t seem to do anything right as their system is built by layers and layers like a house you painted the doors over 30 times and then you complain when it no longer opens.

    Perfect example of your justice system, Jeffrey Epstein. His death guaranteed that plenty were going to escape justice. The entire system is corrupt.

    America is now getting it’s just deserves. Too bad that as well is going to fall on the youth. Good job, boomer!

  138. ExEssex says:

    Supreme Court will decide re: Trump’s Taxes.
    Based on the last two weeks, I’m optimistic.

    Release those taxes Trump. He’s been brought down
    A few pegs this quarter. Guess what? It’s nothing compared
    to how Trump will feel after a route this election.
    Trump is running on “experience” now….yeah. Right.

  139. ExEssex says:

    Route = rout

  140. JCer says:

    Phoenix, do you have an answer on how to fix it that won’t either allow criminals to escape justice or send innocent people to jail? You tell me how do we fix the criminal justice system? I’d love to know, go to some other countries where the legal system is far worse you’ll be begging for the US legal system. Any system run by men will be inherently flawed, identify real problems and come up with real solutions, until then STOP COMPLAINING! Frustration and anger are fine but it needs to be channeled in productive ways. The riots were allegedly about police brutality not the court system……

    As for Epstein, do think he was just some guy? The guy was an intelligence asset or maybe even agent. Yes he used paper sheets to kill himself, that is totally plausible! He was killed to keep it quiet, his little operation had a lot of dirt on a lot of powerful people, given what he was looking at he would have divulged everything to lessen his sentence going to trial wa snot an option, they already got him freed once they probably could not do it again.

    Lib that is quite the pronouncement but you have no evidence to back that assertion. BLM did organize the protests, the founders of which have ties to notable marxists and George Soros. There certainly is circumstantial evidence connecting the two. Furthermore if this had anything to do with actual black people perhaps the riots wouldn’t be 80% white people. Black people have been angry for years about their treatment by police, why did Floyd set this all off? COVID is the first potential answer but I do believe politicians played a part. BLM is an organized movement who coordinated these protests with the financial backing of Soros’ political movement. I used to live in the hood, I have seen the black experience up close and personal.

    No one is talking about Trump, he’s a sh*t sandwich, just don’t tell me to vote for another sh*t sandwich to fix things….it’s nonsense. Again back to politics and politics that really have little to do with the subject at hand, there is no known solution at the federal level for these problems.

  141. BoomerRemover says:

    Yeah, that guy Tucker Carlson is pretty good. All that other programming is just scripted garbage. But this Tucker guy, now here is man providing a service for the people! Speaking the truth which nobody else dares to speak. What a man what a man, what a mighty good man. And you’re right he was a paranoid moron but “now he’s good”.

    Homeboken, you are but a high functioning ret@rd

    Also, and unrelated to the above, I always find it funny when someone here finds themselves on the receiving end of a gut punch and pens four paragraphs defending themselves. Who – other than the person whose mind you are not going to change with you long winded piece – cares?

    Stonks go up. NJ RE is forever. Sit back and relax. Even clot threw in the towel.

  142. Phoenix says:

    “The riots were allegedly about police brutality not the court system……”

    I disagree. But that is okay. And yes, one solution would be to start that every court becomes a tribunal. No one muppet judge gets to make a decision by himself/herself. Cops/judges/attorneys caught lying, no second chance-straight to the unemployment line-you want that power-you better be as clean as a semiconductor factory or out you go. No second chances either. And why does NJ have money for police with military weapons when many towns still don’t have body cameras-which, by the way needs to be accessible like it is in other states. You have money for cops in school, you have money for cameras.
    You want a start, I gave you one.

  143. Phoenix says:

    “As for Epstein, do think he was just some guy? The guy was an intelligence asset or maybe even agent.”

    Bwahaaahaa. Agent my tookus! Dude was a pig that had dirt on other pigs. Justice would be that he would have been held safely and watched carefully, then investigated and interrogated. If you can fire a missile from a drone and kill a guy, you could have watched him. They are dirty as hell and if you believe otherwise so be it.

    If that is going to be the justice system, then let it hit the streets. I will gladly watch the show from a distance as I no longer have any skin in the game that I can do anything about. I now just see it all as a form of entertainment, just like George Carlin said.

    I’m just waiting now for round 2 when this adrenaline overdosed economy takes a giant dump. You can only fake it for so long.

  144. Libturd says:

    JCER,

    Why is it that nothing can happen organically? Why is everything a Soros lead conspiracy from the Left.

    When I watched all of those dimwits at the Tulsa Trump rally, without masks (and brains apparently), I didn’t say, “Maybe the 3,000 in attendance only went as a result of Covid or Koch Brother sponsorship.” The truth is, if anything, Covid kept the number of protesters down. I would have gone if I felt it would be Covid safe enough.

    Isn’t it possible that white dudes like me are just as pissed off as black people after watching the Floyd murder? Or after reading about the Jeter case and countless other times in which cops took justice into their own hands when handling black men?

    Why is this so hard to understand? White people don’t protest the police when black people shoot each other because that has nothing to do with the police.

    The looting had nothing to do with the protests. Only dumb white racist narratives piece the two together. The looting was crimes of opportunity, which never ever pay.

    The statue thing? Big effin’ deal. We can live with or without them. Personally, I think they should be saved and placed in museums. And perhaps Washington and Lincoln are taking it a little too far. But we are talking about a very few handful of people looking to rip those down.

    There is a ton of racism still in this country. Enough to win an election on. I will not argue any further. The right wing narratives are getting tiresome. The party will be set back immeasurably by Trump. Everything else is a copout. You elect a lying populist xenophobe, you should expect some push back. Bannon as campaign manager? I’m surprised white robes weren’t required dress at the inauguration.

  145. Phoenix says:

    And those police cameras-not necessarily for “bad”police, but for evidence collection for civil and criminal cases. Just look at all of the Karens that are caught on camera. That is critical evidence that needs to be recorded, and an officer wearing them is a good solution. I would gladly pay a tax increase to fund cameras for all police officers in N.J. This is good for both them and for the public. It’s a necessity way before additional weapons. What’s it gonna cost, 20 bucks per resident??

  146. homeboken says:

    Seriously, half the population doesn’t pay a penny in tax. And what are we gonna find on Trump’s? That he has huge deductions from depreciation and LP interes investments? So what, if it isn’t illegal, who cares. And by the way, if they were illegal, they’d be leaked already. You think the IRS gave Trump a pass for the 60+ years he filed taxes and wasn’t president?

    Biden is terrified of debating. You can hear the fear in his voice when he has to go off script. He is so weak.

  147. Phoenix says:

    Karen calls the cops and lies.
    “the white woman accuses her male neighbor of pushing her, allegations the man’s wife can be heard off-screen denying. Several neighbors soon arrived to watch the commotion.

    In the video, another white neighbor denies the accusation that the Black man had pushed the white woman as she is on the phone calling police after she refused the couple’s request to leave the area.”

    Prosecutor, get to work and charge her with a crime. Or are you going to wait for social media to do your job for you?

    https://nj1015.com/permit-karen-calls-cops-on-black-neighbors-on-their-own-property/

  148. joyce says:

    it is better a hundred guilty persons should escape than one innocent person should suffer.

    JCer says:
    July 1, 2020 at 8:35 pm
    Phoenix, do you have an answer on how to fix it that won’t either allow criminals to escape justice or send innocent people to jail?

  149. Phoenix says:

    Joyce,
    Another reason all police should be wearing body cameras.
    The more data the better.

  150. joyce says:

    Some departments don’t even have dash cameras in their patrol cars.

  151. leftwing says:

    “Show us your taxes! Sucks, doesn’t it? What does Trump have to hide?”

    In the nicest way possible, go fcuk yourself.

    It’s none of your business. Release of presidential tax returns is voluntary, and was started (voluntarily) only 45 years ago.

    Every president’s return since that time is automatically aud1ted. Including the Orange Idiot’s returns.

    You just want v0yeurism. Fine. Go to a p33p show, or hang out near exit 42 on I78 for a bl00dy auto crash you can ogle. But regarding anyone’s personal finances including the jakass’s…fcuk off.

  152. ExEssex says:

    bUt hE’s a bIlLiOnaIRe

    TrUmP cAn’t bE bOuGhT

    He’s knee-deep in Russian money laundering.
    His taxes will show where his revenue cones from.
    The people need to know why Putin seems to own Trump.

  153. JCer says:

    Lib organic riots don’t break out across the country, and again in the Jeter case you keep bringing up I highly doubt race was a factor as the officer who was convicted in that case was a very dark latino probably Dominican.

    After the Floyd, alleged murder I would have expected localized protests, maybe a little rioting and a few protests across the country but no real rioting. What we saw was somewhat different, global protests with agitators, which side the agitators are from isn’t clear but it certainly was purposeful. Furthermore it will go to trial and I fully expect the outcome is that it was not murder, excessive force was used but the intent to kill was not there, even intent to harm might be hard to prove. Floyd had a speedball in his system, enough fentanyl to take down an elephant, and COVID. His condition was such that it was quite likely a not intoxicated/ill person would not have died. Until it goes through the courts we simply do not know what happened outside of the clips we’ve seen in the media. The neck hold was unwarranted, the force used was excessive, the lack of aid administered to Floyd as he was dying was terrible.

    Joyce, it’s easy to say that but rule of law is fundamental for a society to function. The law is largely set up to put the burden of proof on the prosecutions. Wrongly accused people usually suffer from 2 things, first very bad luck, they don’t have a clear alibi or evidence that corroborates their innocence easily which means their defense needs to essentially discredit any evidence the prosecution has so they are very dependent on their attorney who is probably not good. The point being crimes must be investigated and punished which always leaves a chance for people to be wrongly convicted. Now in the interest of offering reform how about serious financial restitution for those falsely convicted or even prosecution?

  154. Neck says:

    Jc, 8:46 on the guys neck and no intent to harm or kill. Seriously, think about that for a minute. If initially it was to subdue him, like for a minute or two at the most, maybe cop felt it was his best tool at the moment but 8+ minutes.

    Riot participants for the most part opportunists taking advantage of the situation. Left, right whatever, the are seizing the moment for their own agendas none of which related to Floyd.

    PS – woman in Montclair, is she married? I think JJ could help her as she is in need…

    https://latestbios.com/usa/susan-g-schulz-permit-karen-bio-wiki-age/

  155. homeboken says:

    Boomer – thanks for you comment, it’s always interesting to find someone who disagrees with me.

    It’s really great when I get to learn something from a new opinion. For example, you like to call people “ret@ards” when you don’t agree with them. Even when it’s a really serious debate about cable TV personalities, neat!

    I hope you find some happiness in your life. It can’t get any worse, I promise you. When you call people “ret@rds” on the internet, it means you are pretty close to bottom. Things should start looking up for you soon. Good Luck!

  156. leftwing says:

    Chi, saw that communication from Ithaca….didn’t read it entirely but at least it does attempt to use actual science, data, fact and analysis. Hopeful for an institute of higher ed.

    Much better than simply making sh1t up as they go along like these elected political neanderthals do. Beach good. Parks bad. Me smart. Where TV camera? Ugh.

    Fundamental to their analysis is an assumption that makes sense and I’ve certainly observed first hand from my boys’ college age peer groups….college aged kids are going to head back to campuses and live in groups in homes without any effort to maintain good C19 prevention practices whether or not classes are in session.

    Conclusion they draw is for the community widely defined it is better to isolate, occupy, test, and educate these students about C19 by keeping campus and classes open (on a modified schedule) rather than have the unoccupied hoards roving from house party to house party up and down Eddy Street….

    Can’t say I necessarily disagree….

  157. leftwing says:

    The entire loss of reason among left leaning otherwise rational people regarding anything even tangential to DJT is mind boggling….

    “Riot participants for the most part opportunists taking advantage of the situation. Left, right whatever…”

    Uh, no. Not whatever.
    The backgrounds of the ‘opportunists’ you so politely whitewash with euphemism is clear…unless I’ve missed all those clips of Young Republicans running off with HDTVs in the early morning hours…

    “The looting had nothing to do with the protests. Only dumb white racist narratives piece the two together.”

    Oh, I see. Violence and mayhem by a certain group is not so, because they are of a certain group. Bad behavior by someone from the other group is not just a boorish dustup between neighbors because she is not part of the certain group. In both instances, the certain group unquestionably gets a pass but the other group are racists. Heads I win, tails you lose, you racist pigs. I get it now, thanks for actually saying that out loud…..no irony in your thoughts at all….

    “He’s knee-deep in Russian money laundering.” Uh, OK.
    “His taxes will show where his revenue cones from.” Uh, OK.
    “The people need to know why Putin seems to own Trump.” Uh, OK

    You should look really hard at the Zapruder film, around 1:43 I swear I see a flash of orange (hair) on the grassy knoll. And I was on flightaware a few days back and saw Air Force One land inexplicably in the middle of the Nevada desert too…….

  158. leftwing says:

    And, just because. It feels right. LOLOL.

    Good day, all.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSuregWhlWk

  159. homeboken says:

    Lib – Trumps tax returns.

    IMHO, the only reason we haven’t seen Trump’s tax return is bc they will reveal that he is, in fact, not a billionaire. It’s ego, nothing more. There is zero chance that anything illegal is happening. The IRS would have found it, remember Trump entered the political space in mid-2015. Obama was still President, the IRS was utilized in many ways to out dissidents, see Tea Party movement. If there was anything illegal, we would already know. Further, if there is anything illegal now, I want to know. So I agree, release them.

    But if we are trading documents as a price to enter debate – Would Biden agree to open the files contained in the U of Delaware library? Seems like a fair trade. If the goal is for full exposure, which I hope it is, then let’s see all the dirty laundry. Perhaps neither man is worthy of the office. Let’s find out.

  160. 1987 Condo says:

    Jobs: Up 4.8 million
    U/E 11.1%

  161. homeboken says:

    1987 Condo says:
    July 2, 2020 at 8:31 am
    Jobs: Up 4.8 million
    U/E 11.1%

    We can’t have this, too much improvement during the election cycle. New crisis mode initiated. I predict an eventful Independence weekend.

  162. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It’s sad, can’t celebrate this, that gives the other political party a chance at re-election. Must maintain image that it’s all going to hell.

    homeboken says:
    July 2, 2020 at 8:33 am
    1987 Condo says:
    July 2, 2020 at 8:31 am
    Jobs: Up 4.8 million
    U/E 11.1%

    We can’t have this, too much improvement during the election cycle. New crisis mode initiated. I predict an eventful Independence weekend.

  163. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Even Cramer knows the pumpkin was right about his roaring 20’s 2.0 call.

    “The economy was red hot going into covid. with the exception of restaurants (social distancing) and sports it seems there is a resumption…”

    https://twitter.com/jimcramer/status/1278674574377394181?s=21

  164. Juice Box says:

    Shutdown is back! Employment numbers are going to tank again! Covid19 daily cases hit 52,609 yesterday eclipsing all numbers, so politicians have their justification.

    California 44,863 new cases in a week
    Arizona 24,629 new cases in a week
    Texas 45,105 new cases in a week
    Florida 51,174 new cases in a week

  165. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – it’s not that you are right or wrong, it is your incessant need for an attaboy do perhaps to OCD or other diagnosed ailment, (perhaps the sins of your father? Even Luke Skywalker got over it)

    Would you like me to send you in the mail a framed picture of a real life attaboy? Someone who needs constant praise?

    https://tinyurl.com/y9ve37hf

  166. 30 year realtor says:

    Only a moron would be speaking optimistically about the economy when efforts to contain the pandemic have spun out of control. How does one forecast economic improvement when infection rates, hospitalizations and deaths are about to explode? Doesn’t matter if the politicians open or close the economy. It is not up to them. Now the virus will dictate what happens to the economy.

  167. homeboken says:

    30 – The virus dictates nothing. It is not some sentient being that understands what impact it has on its host.

    We, human beings, dictate what happens to us. The virus is an important point to consider, perhaps it is the most important point.

    The virus knows three things – replicate, spread when possible, die. There is no agenda with a virus. The agenda is set only by what the people will allow.

  168. Juice Box says:

    Ladies and gentlemen may I present the 47th president of the Unites States.

    Checks all the boxes for Biden, and she has enough to pull in allot of votes from a broad spectrum of the voting public.

    Gonna be tough for Mike Pence to debate and or attack this one.

    1) Woman
    2) of Color
    3) War Hero
    4) Not batshit crazy as in too far left
    5) No skeletons
    6) Probably has not paid off her student loans yet
    7) Extremely well spoken iverall especially on women and veteran issues issues etc

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/service-shaped-sen-tammy-duckworth-post-white-house/story?id=71565576

  169. joyce says:

    JCer,
    The maxim is a principle on which our justice system is allegedly founded. It is why we are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. Your idea of serious financial restitution is already available, the problem is it’s too difficult of a process to navigate and more importantly the restitution comes from the taxpayer and not the ones responsible. In my opinion, most wrongly convicted (and 100% wrongly prosecuted) cases are because the police and prosecutors acted criminally, lazily or with bias. Most people are convicted via plea bargain. Judges have a hand in this broken process, too.
    Some of the reform ideas you asked for have been mentioned … make it easier to fire all people in the criminal justice system when they repeatedly make “mistakes” or lie on a report or in court, remove qualified immunity, etc.

    With all of the racial tension lately, legitimate and otherwise, it made me think of the Duke Lacrosse case. Do you remember that the prosecutor caught conspiring with a witness (among other reprehensible actions) was given a one day jail sentence? If I recall correctly, the families of the players received out of court settlements with the university and I don’t think anything from the county/taxpayers. The cop involved in “steering” the investigation a certain way wasn’t punish at all… but he ended up committing suicide years later.

  170. homeboken says:

    ” The agenda is set only by what the people will allow.”

    As an example – See the stories of young people, college students especially, that have returned to their off campus apartments to spend their summer. They are gathering, infecting each other and recovering. They do not wish to spend another 3 months in their parents house when they are not in a high risk category. So they are living their lives.
    Those of us that are older or more at risk scoff at this behavior. How can they be so irresponsible? Yet here we are, watching the under 30 crowd race back to normal life.
    Frankly, I am amazed they participated in a voluntary lock down for as long as they did.

  171. Phoenix says:

    “The point being crimes must be investigated and punished which always leaves a chance for people to be wrongly convicted.”

    Amy Cooper aka Central Park Karen know this as well, along with Karen from Montclair. Both women claimed an attack when there was none. And so far nothing but crickets from law enforcement. Lying is a very good tactic to use as it has no repercussions for the accuser outside of social media. Lazy D.A’s and judges are never going to prosecute as it is work for them.

    When it happens to you things will become clearer.

  172. 1987 condo says:

    On the surface, Lt. Colonel Duckworth seems impressive.

  173. 30 year realtor says:

    The under 30 crowd race back to normal life? How do you define normal? Still facing a pandemic. States rolling back their reopening. Travel restrictions against US citizens by other countries. Massive unemployment. No clarity on quality or duration of immunity from COVID-19 infection. Vaccine still uncertain.

  174. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Lmao…still blaming

    “Harvard grad blames Trump supporters after ‘stab’ video costs her Deloitte job”

  175. Juice Box says:

    87 – Condo – She has been groomed for it since at least 2005 and spoke at the DNC convention for Obama 08 even though she lost the 06 election for congress and finally won a seat in 2013, she is part of the Obama circle and political machine. You can expect the party leaders to pick her for Biden as well he will be too busy trying to figure out if he took the correct medication today.

  176. The Great Pumpkin says:

    30,

    After the election, all the fear will be gone if a democrat wins. You will feel safe again, I promise.

  177. 30 year realtor says:

    Pumpkin,

    I don’t know who’s comments you are reading because I haven’t said anything about the election or politics. All I have said is the virus is now out of control and will dictate what happens with the economy in the near term. This is my view no matter how the election turns out.

  178. The Great Pumpkin says:

    30,

    Fair enough. I was simply pointing out how the virus has become a partisan issue. There should be no politics involved, yet here we are.

  179. homeboken says:

    Jeffrey Epstein’s confidant Ghislaine Maxwell arrested in New Hampshire, FBI says.
    ……
    Are we still doing death pool predictions? I think Ms. Maxwell just got very “suicidal”

  180. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – ding ding attaboy!

    Here is your certificate to frame..

    https://tinyurl.com/y6uahcg5

  181. Juice Box says:

    homeboken – more importantly SDNY!

    Must be a lots of freaking out now in certain circles. How did this happen before the election? This was supposed to happen after the election dammit!!!

    Anyone still think Barr was playing with the latest SDNY move?

  182. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I can’t believe there is no talk about the correlation between these protests and the rise in the virus again. Before the protests, no one was really worried about the virus anymore. I guess packing streets tighter than an nfl football game with screaming people is not a good idea.

    Yes, so let’s shut the economy back down again after this.

    And you expect me to not take the position that the democrats are conspiring to spread the virus and hurt the economy in an election year? How can they take such a hypocritical approach…shut down businesses, but support massive protests and riots. Wow, just wow. I’m not a conspiracy guy, but this is hard to ignore.

  183. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Lmao….cheers!

    Juice Box says:
    July 2, 2020 at 10:13 am
    Pumps – ding ding attaboy!

    Here is your certificate to frame..

    https://tinyurl.com/y6uahcg5

  184. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – don’t get nervous now when I post this, but allot of people won’t be going back to work in the office.

    It’s for the children after all, they need to stay home and learn on Google classroom this fall……

    “Last week, I received an email from my children’s principal, sharing some of the first details about plans to reopen New York City schools this fall. The message explained that the city’s Department of Education, following federal guidelines, will require each student to have 65 square feet of classroom space. Not everyone will be allowed in the building at once. The upshot is that my children will be able to physically attend school one out of every three weeks.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/02/business/covid-economy-parents-kids-career-homeschooling.html

  185. 30 year realtor says:

    Anyone willing to give me 10 to 1 odds an a wager? The bet is Trump resigns before his term is completed and he is pardoned by President Pence. If interested, who holds the money and how much action will you take?

    All this SDNY talk has me thinking of the number of potential indictments Trump could be facing as a private citizen. If he loses the election he could resign before his term is completed and be pardoned by President Pence. For Trump it is a no risk, win/ win proposition.

  186. Phoenix says:

    Ghislaine Maxwell arrested. Let’s see how well our justice system does with this one.

  187. Juice Box says:

    30 yr – Think about this. Did Barr fires Berman about 11 days ago because he was sitting on this for perhaps a year? Epstein and Gishlane were fixtures for decades on a certain rarefied Manhattan circuit of rich and powerful who were infact mostly Democrats.

  188. Juice Box says:

    Interesting press conference Acting SDNY AG Audrey Strauss says indictment covers activities from 1994-1997, FBI leadership and NYPD leadership both spoke.

    Good stuff Prince Andrew was called out to testify too.

  189. JCer says:

    Joyce, what is currently available to those wrongfully convicted is a pittance and not terribly easy to get, I’m talking about something punitive. Fortunately people rarely have the latitude to operate independently, there tends to be an organization behind them, doing the right thing needs to be incentivized. What happens now as the wrongfully accused get exonerated, goes to get some restitution it takes a while there is red tape, lawyers and the amount is a pittance in MANY, MANY states. 18 states don’t have any restitution laws, in many others it’s a pittance in IL it’s capped at 200k. The state steals 20 years of your life and all you get is a lousy 200k, your old not employable anymore have missed out on life and the ability to earn money and that’s what all you get. Not only should there be reasonable compensation but it should be automatic.

    The prosecutors offices should be judged based on how much restitution and how many wrongful accusations they make. Part of the problem is that two sets of rules apply dishonest actions by the defendant would be perjury yet a prosecutor or police officer doing the same would likely not be punished. It seems many times it is the victim of the crime who identifies falsely the perpetrator, the truth is in many of these cases the prosecution doesn’t need to do much besides put the victim on the stand if they identify the accused as the perpetrator. Unfortunately a first hand account from the victim is the gold standard for a jury barring exculpatory evidence, often it doesn’t even matter if the victim is credible.

    Phoenix the problem in those situation is what is the crime? An unlawful statement to a police officer? The burden of proof is on the prosecution and the penalties for this are not huge. They did not file charges nor make a police report and it is largely subjective and going to be one persons word against the others.

  190. joyce says:

    JCer,
    We agree the process for restitution is too difficult or insufficient, but again even if it was along the lines you suggest it the renumeration is coming from the wrong place.
    Also sounds like we agree that there is a horrible double standard that doesn’t hold police, prosecutors and judges accountable when in fact they should be held to a higher standard.
    I agree and disagree with the comments on witness/trial … the root causes are back at the charging/plea bargaining stage.

    Lastly, yes lying to a cop or false report is a crime. It might not have a huge penalty at times, and yes it requires them to do some work. It is less subjective when it’s caught on camera.

  191. Ithink_ithink says:

    Gp, 10:24a, nope. Protests are not conducive; not understanding and denying either virus or racism tho…

    https://www.nber.org/papers/w27408.pdf

    https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-07-01/experts-see-little-evidence-that-protests-spread-coronavirus

  192. chicagofinance says:

    Watch Hunter Biden go down…… cops a plea to take down dad….. dad claims dementia and has no memory….. President Duckworth pardons everyone including Maxwell on inauguration day 2021.

    Juice Box says:
    July 2, 2020 at 10:17 am
    homeboken – more importantly SDNY!

    Must be a lots of freaking out now in certain circles. How did this happen before the election? This was supposed to happen after the election dammit!!!

    Anyone still think Barr was playing with the latest SDNY move?

  193. ExEssex says:

    Puleeeeaze take Nepotism Barbie with you .

  194. homeboken says:

    Experts….Thank god for the experts, what would I do without an expert telling me how to live or what to think…

    Ithink_ithink says:
    July 2, 2020 at 2:04 pm
    Gp, 10:24a, nope. Protests are not conducive; not understanding and denying either virus or racism tho…

    https://www.nber.org/papers/w27408.pdf

    https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-07-01/experts-see-little-evidence-that-protests-spread-coronavirus

  195. Hold my beer says:

    Dallas county had over 700 new cases today. Tuesday was the first time Dallas broke 600.

    Took 92 days to get to 300 cases a day. 21 more to hit 700. I’m guessing another 7-10 days to hit 1,000 a day.

    And my neighbor had another pool party the other day.

    And the 4 major cities of Texas have 4 of the 5 highest positivity rates in the country.

    https://www.wfaa.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-updates-july-2-dallas-fort-worth/287-47cf0d71-b98a-4c16-8c9f-95d89a20e365

  196. Hold my beer says:

    Herman Cain hospitalized with corona

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-ally-herman-cain-attended-125653947.html

    Was at the Tulsa rally and was in Arizona too.

  197. Fast Eddie says:

    Essex,

    I bought a two year extension on the BMW. I was told repairs are a mint so I went with a two year deal. Security, I guess. But I have to say… it is by far the nicest machine I’ve ever driven! Once the warranty comes due, I’ll trade it in for another one. I was leaning toward the Mercedes and was swayed towards the BMW. I’m glad I did!

  198. Juice Box says:

    It is really crazy out there. What do we call this nonsense with the people that don’t want to wear masks? Is it Covid19 syndrome or is their another name for this craziness? Lock-down lunacy?

    Just back from taking my kids to get their hair cut at a local chain to get them ready for camp. We booked online as they won’t take a reservation over phone and I was texted what time to arrive etc. We show up and only two people working as some have not returned for various reasons. So small line on the board perhaps two or three ahead of me so and I am told to come back, because no seating anymore inside to wait inside and the Fire Marshall is up their as*s. So I was told 2o minutes or so, so no big deal to me so we go run a few errands and I buy my kids a some candy at a local store.

    In the meantime some guy shows up might as well be co-morbid Ken, fat fker no appointment, he did not want to make an online appointment, did not want mask on, and demanded to know exactly and I mean exactly what time he was getting his hair cut, was very nasty to the women working and demanded they call corporate when he was not satisfied. This escalated and one male customers sitting in the chair got up and got involved and the cops were then called to defuse situation.

    F-king people already, yeah it’s been four months we are all stressed but the women who cut hair for a living have been without an income for four months already so give it a rest, if you are that angry at lock down and masks go protest at the Governors house heck I’ll even spring for your bail if you get pinched. Cut the crap wear a mask and stop being a buffoon.

  199. chicagofinance says:

    Dude: go here….. bring cash…. super old school….
    http://www.cardners.com/

    Juice Box says:
    July 2, 2020 at 4:21 pm

  200. chicagofinance says:

    buy Surf Taco afterwards…… pre-Covid Steve would always have his Surf Taco cup and re-fill all day long using the back door of the restaurant….. hilarious…. total character….. kind of like a Jersey Cliff Claven obsessed with the Giants.

    chicagofinance says:
    July 2, 2020 at 4:34 pm
    Dude: go here….. bring cash…. super old school….
    http://www.cardners.com/

    Juice Box says:
    July 2, 2020 at 4:21 pm

  201. Hold my beer says:

    Corona has gotten so bad that the Governor has just ordered masks be worn while in a commercial space or building open to the public in counties that have had 20 or more cases.

  202. homeboken says:

    Eddie – I went BMW for my most recent car purchase. I am never driving anything but From now on. It’s a beautiful machine and amazing ride.

  203. grim says:

    Our new Subaru Ascent is awesome, great truck. Loved my X3M too, but in the end it was a money pit.

  204. Juice Box says:

    Chi- been there a few times wife does not want to go there she does not have a sense of humor for old school so we go to the place up the road. My Kids love Surf Taco we are there quite a bit. I think’s it’s just ok but what do I know I don’t eat chicken tender tacos.

  205. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Okay, so why have social gathering guidelines in place if protests have no impact on the spread? Does that make much sense to you?

    I don’t know what or who to believe anymore when it comes to the virus. All I know is that the virus cases were going down significantly, then the protests happened, followed by rapid rise in positive cases. Maybe the protests had nothing to do with it, but it sure doesn’t seem that way.

    Ithink_ithink says:
    July 2, 2020 at 2:04 pm
    Gp, 10:24a, nope. Protests are not conducive; not understanding and denying either virus or racism tho…

    https://www.nber.org/papers/w27408.pdf

    https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-07-01/experts-see-little-evidence-that-protests-spread-coronavirus

  206. The Great Pumpkin says:

    So what’s the problem with outdoor concerts or outdoor sporting events? Why shut down beaches?

    I’m so sick of the partisan bs. Can we get sensible answers not rooted in political bs?

    “Most of the protests, at least in my jurisdiction, were outside,” and the virus does not spread as well outside, Roberts said. “And I would say 50% of those at the protests were wearing a face mask.”

  207. Juice Box says:

    Solution is we should all work and live outside.

  208. Hold my beer says:

    Juice Box

    It was the sausage sally and cardiac carl types mist likely to give me dirty looks when I was wearing a mask before they became mandatory.

  209. homeboken says:

    If outside is safe – then I expect my district to prepare for outside school instruction for Sept and October. We can bring portable heaters, big tents, etc.

    Buy us a few more months to develop treatments, vaccines, or herd immunity.

    But that won’t happen will it? Why would we ever do anything creative?

  210. grim says:

    Solution is we should all work and live outside.

    Until skin cancer starts to spike.

  211. Bystander says:

    Herman Cain, Tulsa attendee, in hospital with COVID.

  212. 1987 condo says:

    The ride on my 2019 Forester, new global platform, is tremendous, plus 35+ mpg hiway.

  213. The Great Pumpkin says:

    BMW’s are so much fun. Yes, it’s a premium price to buy and fix, but it really is a different driving experience. If you enjoy driving, it’s a no brainer.

    The f80 generation of m3 is a perfected hybrid race car/daily driver that is as reliable as a civic. Just service the fluids and good to go.

    New generation m3 will have an all wheel drive version.

  214. ExEssex says:

    Catching a beach day with the missus and daughter before the weekend closure.
    I’m 15 miles from the beach. Whenever I get out here it’s a completely different world.
    Lots of folks out – RVs lining the water front. Gorgeous gorgeous day.
    The weather is sheer perfection here. Happy 4th.

  215. Ithink_ithink says:

    Homeboken, leave it to the experts, kindly take off your seat belt, thanks so much rebel.

    Gp, all proximity is local; outside at the beach breath does the same thing your breath does in winter, but further.

  216. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I lived in Manasquan when Surf Taco first came out. All my HS friends were raving about it so we went. I wasn’t impressed and never went back. I’m not sure if anything has changed because it’s been like 20 years. My goto spot at the shore was always a big secret. Jose’s in Spring Lake. When they first came out, they barely spoke English but the place was amazing and you just ate a picnic table outside. They Americanized their menu but had a separate section for the real Mexican stuff. But after a hot day on the shore, you go there and get the fried ice cream.

    http://josesspringlake.com/home/menu/

  217. chicagofinance says:

    Easy parking…. good food for Mrs…. order ahead and pick -up..
    http://www.kitchorganic.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/KO-LUNCH-MENU-79.pdf

    Juice Box says:
    July 2, 2020 at 5:03 pm
    Chi- been there a few times wife does not want to go there she does not have a sense of humor for old school so we go to the place up the road. My Kids love Surf Taco we are there quite a bit. I think’s it’s just ok but what do I know I don’t eat chicken tender tacos.

  218. chicagofinance says:

    Was thinking of doing Red Rock….. place was built for summer 2020…
    https://redrockrb.com/#menu

  219. Juice Box says:

    Red Rock seems like it would work. I may take my wife out this weekend, Birravino has a decent out door space too.

  220. Hold my beer says:

    Dallas just announced it will report more than 1,000 new cases tomorrow and if people don’t change their behavior and act the way they did on easter and memorial day we will have a catastrophe.

  221. joyce says:

    Which experts? The ones that pulled multiple 180’s from a couple of months ago; the ones that said the NJ governor is not listening to them; or the ones that said the lock down is the experiment with no data to back it up not the other way around (quarantining only vulnerable)?

    Ithink_ithink says:
    July 2, 2020 at 5:55 pm
    Homeboken, leave it to the experts, kindly take off your seat belt, thanks so much rebel.

  222. joyce says:

    vulnerable and sick*

  223. The Great Pumpkin says:

    That menu looks awesome. Going to give it a try one day.

    chicagofinance says:
    July 2, 2020 at 6:07 pm
    Was thinking of doing Red Rock….. place was built for summer 2020…
    https://redrockrb.com/#menu

  224. EnjoyFir3works says:

    You know, you guys sold me on Duckworth. I was not going to vote except Biden/Warren or Sanders. What sold me is the fact she is not a locust boomer. She’s a millennial that has paid the price of boomer stupidity and knows what will be required.

    Hold your beer,

    Don’t worry, there won’t be any Sausage Sally and Cardiac Carl left in Texas. The Texas Tribune had an article how the Texas Department of Health is not releasing figures, they clammed up. Politics of course. But FEMA just activated March NYC crisis pay rate for medical staff to the Laredo area. This is very appropriate https://youtu.be/hhiTMClWh5s?t=20

    You know Beer, nature does not tolerate stupid, and it seems there are plenty there. Also because it goes for the old fogies the young people are blowing it off. I can’t blame them. A rotten generation like the boomers needs to go ASAP.

  225. Hold my beer says:

    I’ve been too optimistic. DFW will be putting up NYC in April numbers in a few weeks

    https://www.wfaa.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-updates-july-2-dallas-fort-worth/287-47cf0d71-b98a-4c16-8c9f-95d89a20e365

    The nice thing about this area is you can gain 20 pounds and still be thin compared to everyone else.

  226. Mike in waiting says:

    You guys better get ready for another spike in the tri-state area. I do this for a living Respiratory Therapist. You may remember me…………..

  227. Juice Box says:

    Mike thanks for the heads up. Current Covid data is about 1/8th of what it was beginning of April. 8000 vs 1000 hospitalizations.

    Going to keep Grandma home maybe even my place for the a while.

    Have a happy 4th and thanks for all of your hard work.

  228. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I’m scared, daddy. Help$!!

  229. ExEssex says:

    STFU Donny (jr)

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