C19 Open Discussion Week 25

From Eater:

New Jersey Will Start Indoor Dining on Friday, While NYC Restaurants Still Have No Plan

New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy has announced that the state’s restaurants will be allowed to resume indoor dining starting on Friday. Similar to NYC, the state was originally supposed to resume indoor dining at the beginning of July, but plans were postponed due to concerns about indoor dining and the spread of COVID-19.

To start, restaurants will be limited to 25 percent indoor capacity and tables have to be spaced at least six feet apart, according to NJ.com. Customers will also be required to wear a mask unless they are eating or have underlying health issues, and they will have to provide a phone number if making a reservation in order to help with contact tracing if necessary. 

Taking a similar approach as NYC restaurateurs, New Jersey restaurants have been campaigning hard to push the governor to announce a plan for the return of indoor dining. On Monday, Gov. Murphy said on Twitterthat “reopening responsibly will help us restore one of our state’s key industries” while continuing to fight COVID-19.

Nearby, NYC restaurants are still without a plan for indoor dining. The news now makes NYC the only part of the tri-state area still banned from indoor dining, as Connecticut and the rest of New York state were allowed to start indoor dining earlier this summer. Philadelphia is set to start indoor dining on September 8.

In a press conference on Monday, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said that he is “aware of the competitive disadvantage” that NYC restaurants are at while indoor dining remains off the table in the city. But he’s first watching to see how events like Labor Day and the reopening of schools play out before making a decision, and he’s also monitoring the upcoming flu season. NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio shared similar sentiments last week about waiting to see how things go with the schools reopening before considering a return to indoor dining.

“I want as much economic activity as quickly as possible,” Cuomo said at the press conference. “We also want to make sure the transmission rate stays under control. That is the tension. We’re trying to find the balance, and we’re calibrating every day.”

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456 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 25

  1. Fabius Maximus says:

    Friskies!

  2. grim says:

    Friskies indoors.

  3. homeboken says:

    What was the data point that we achieved that gave the green light to open indoor dining?

  4. NJCoast says:

    Murphy got chilly eating outside at Nicholas the other night.

  5. homeboken says:

    I’m confused – CNN told me that the situation in Minneapolis, Portland, Seattle etc. were mostly peaceful protests? That people were justified in their actions. In fact, the chairman of the house judiciary committee told us that “that it was a myth that only circulated around D.C.”

    But yesterday – Candidate Biden told me that all this violence is Trumps fault?

    What violence?

  6. Juice Box says:

    data point? Not enough corpses. Simply not enough people sick and dying now to win the election decisively.

    Here is the data by me and the State, can the curve be any flatter?

    Hospitalization data for ⁦‪Monmouth County yesterday
    Jersey Shore Med Center= 4 pos,no vents.
    Monmouth Med=2 no vents.
    Riveriview=0 cases.
    Bayshore-1 no vents.
    CentraState=2 with 1 vent.
    Total in hospitals in Monmouth County = 9
    620,000 Residents

    235 in ALL for the State of NJ (9 million residents)

  7. Juice Box says:

    Catholic skool opened up this week, I hear the Ordo Fratrum Minorum will be throwing a big party for labor day to celebrate. Sorry no sisters will be welcome.

    Few families by me have opted to that route, but I know Covid-19 ain’t done yet, and neither are the kiddie diddlers.

  8. ExEssex says:

    8:39

    An armed 17 year-old vigilante driven to another state by his mom with a loaded AR15 is a rabid Trumper.

    Pickup trucks loaded with Proud Boys spraying bear repellent and shooting paint balls while running through crowds in Portland.

    wUt vIoLenCe …. derrrrrrr

  9. Juice Box says:

    Essex – facts please. 17 year old lived 15 minutes away, gun was not brought across state lines, his mommy should have not let him be armed by his “friend”.

    Pickup truck boys were there one night the Antifa have been at it for three months, expect there to be more gun play like last night, as both sides have decided to arm themselves. Mayor of Portland may need to go into hiding as the shooter was apparently stalking him the night before, and last night they tried to burn down his home again.

    Play stupid games win stupid prizes, 62 more days of “unrest” which city burns next?

  10. 3b says:

    Those who committed the violence are responsible for committing the violence. It’s not my fault, Trump made me do it is BS! The Democrats biggest nightmare may come true again, Trump may just win again.

  11. Fast Eddie says:

    oBiDEn wILl sAvE uS

  12. 30 year realtor says:

    62 days of unrest? POTUS says if he loses the election it is because it was rigged! If one of the candidates doesn’t win in a landslide these 62 days are just a warm up for the real festivities. Meanwhile keep telling yourself Trump doesn’t foment violence.

  13. Juice Box says:

    Timing of job change is good for me. Anyone friends with Elon on twitter? He is hiring and well I am available.

    “Russian operatives try to bribe Russian employee at Tesla with $1 Mil (USD) to insert a USB stick Into the company’s network.”

    https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-employee-fbi-thwarts-russian-cybersecurity-attack/

  14. ExEssex says:

    9:06 he’s going to have to. Have you seen America lately?
    Yeah we’re Great again if great means what I think you think it means.
    Divisions tearing families apart, country in tatters economically.
    Huuuuge structural changes and a leader the loooooves cheating at golf.

  15. Juice Box says:

    30 year – I have written about this before. I hope and pray this election is decisive. All swing states etc. Problem is we are in a new paradigm again this time mail in voting.

    You are old enough to remember the hanging chads, the election challenges in the courts are going make that seem like an afternoon in a municipal court watching people plead not guilty to jay walking and demand a trial.

  16. Fat Fast Eddie says:

    9:13 – He’s going to get reelected.

  17. homeboken says:

    30 yr – It’s not going to be close. Trumps support with black and Latino’s are more than double where he was 4 years ago.

    2016 – He won with 8% of the black vote. I know you are good at math, what do you think happens if he gets 20% of the black vote now? There are 5 different polls showing his approval with the black voter is 25%-35%.

    In order for Biden to win, there needs to be a greater erosion in 2016 Trump voters than he is gaining with the black/hispanic voter. I don’t see that happening. The GOP base is solid and there are newly minted republican voters every day.

    This will be a blood bath for the DNC. The polls are even starting to show it and those are essentially propaganda.

  18. 3b says:

    30 year: Are you saying those who are committing violence it’s not their fault? They choose to engage in violence. Blaming someone else is a cop out. And if that’s how you feel than none of us are responsible for anything, it’s someone else’s fault. Or is it some violence is ok and some is not, depending on what side is committing it?

  19. ExEssex says:

    My anthem…….https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to2KasivROc

    here’s to you my little love with blessings from above…..now let the day begin…..

  20. A Home Buyer says:

    A long watch. But informative if your curious about the legal take of the kid in the Kenosa shooting and what likely is going to happen. Completely safe for work, nothing graphic shown.

    https://youtu.be/xMmCAbJT6U0

  21. 30 year realtor says:

    3b,

    You are the guy who is always stressing reading comprehension. No where did I say the things you are assigning to me. I said Trump foments violence. The person throwing the fist, throwing the object or pulling the trigger is ultimately responsible. However people are influenced by rhetoric.

  22. JCer says:

    30yr, that’s a preposterous statement. The violence is the direct result of the democratic politicians and the media politicizing tragedies in an election year when there is a pandemic in progress which has put many younger people out of work…

    It is backfiring in a big way, had they just kept their heads down they could have beaten Trump but now it looks like the Trump team is capitalizing on it and the dem strategy is failing in a big way.

    Trump is a moron but the violence has almost nothing to do with the president or federal policies of any kind.

  23. Libturd says:

    I still think the Right is clutching at straws at this point. You can point to polls, newly minted Republicans or your magic eight ball. None will show you all of those non-voters who stayed out of the 2016 election who have now witnessed the worst president ever do unmistakable damage to our country leaving us mired in a Covid hell as the rest of the world opens up for regular business. Masks are now off in most of Asia now. It must be nice to resume regular society with no cases being reported in their entire countries. Well these former non-voters are going to hit the election sites like never before. How do I know? Because these are the same people protesting in cities all across the country. These will be the swing voters. I find it a near impossibility that Trump has gained much more than he had in 2016 and I’m betting he’ll have less. This is WHAT will determine the outcome. The nonvoters in 2016 versus the Trump gains in 2020. None of this can be measured accurately. But I’m guessing the Trump hatred is a significantly stronger impetus than the Trump loyalty. Especially among all of the federal Republican endorsements for Biden.

    As for the civil unrest. It’s all political. It’s all a nothing burger to the left, but it plays into Trump’s new Law & Order strategy. Unfortunately, even his own side is hardly buying it. Though, as it’s his last ditch attempt at playing populism to his forever-Trumpers who continue to ignore his lying and grift filled term, I expect him to continue to push this hippy protest further and further to the forefront to little effect. It’s funny too. Every time it’s mentioned, he throws in New York, Philly, Detroit. Was in Philly twice in the last month. Please direct me to the violence. All I saw was life as usual, surprisingly with a lot of masks on. Same with New York. It’s all politics. All of a sudden, the Right makes believe that they care about Portland. It’s laughable actually.

    In other interesting tidbits, does Draining The Swamp mean replacing it with the largest campaign contributors? See the head of the USPS.

    Does “Law” & Order mean abusing the same copyright abuse that this administration brags about stopping in China when they don’t get what they want from American artists here? See

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/music/2020/09/01/leonard-cohen-estate-responds-trump-hallelujah-usage-rnc/5663064002/

    Saw about the same number of Biden signs as Trump signs as we drove through Maryland, Delaware, Virginia and especially North Carolina last week. This one is long over. Sorry my Red friends, but the crap you are reading in your echo chamber is just more lies and fake news. You are truly kidding yourselves if you believe otherwise. But feel free to make a fool of yourself further between now and the election. This is not 2016. The alpha male party is over. Hope you grabbed enough puzzies while the going was good.

  24. Juice Box says:

    Anger, fear, aggression……

    Consume you, it will…

    https://tinyurl.com/yxfsgvnv

  25. 30 year realtor says:

    JCer,

    Is the statement you are referring to as preposterous; Trump foments violence? Are you saying the statement isn’t true because you believe he does that? Or is it that you believe rhetoric doesn’t have that effect?

  26. Phoenix says:

    “We are surprised and dismayed that the RNC would proceed knowing that the Cohen Estate had specifically declined the RNC’s use request, and their rather brazen attempt to politicize and exploit in such an egregious manner ‘Hallelujah’, one of the most important songs in the Cohen song catalog,”

    Ha Ha Ha. Surprised and dismayed at what? That Trump or anyone else with money would be the least bit afraid of the spineless toothless American justice system when it comes to civil court? That’s a laugh. That song resonates with people-they will think he was “justified” in doing it. The courts will do nothing to him of any substance.

  27. crushednjmillenial says:

    Libturd . . . you said you were in Philly and “please direct me to the violence.”

    I was in Philly within the last month. There was still plywood on storefronts on Walnut Street, which I saw with my own eyes. I also saw protest/riot graffiti on private property, with my own eyes. Disgusting to see both.

    These storefront windows were smashed by rioting looters LIVE on television, immortalized on youtube and social media, and re-tweeted to the whole world, after local Dems allowed a police station to burn down in Minneapolis. After local Dems like DiBlasio made statements to the effect of the anger is understandable and after Dems like him forgot all about Covid somehow as soon as protests started up. After local Dems had the local prosecutors drop the rioting charges. And, after national Dems were either silent or tacitly encouraging it.

    Amy Johnson, the 42-year old female mom undecided swing voter in the suburbs of East Lansing, MI, in my opinion, is horrified by the political violence and burning buildings. She wanted the Dems to say, all along, since !!June!! : “We condemn any and all political violence in the US. Peaceful protest is sacred and protected. However, a single smashed storefront window, in the name of a political message, is UNACCEPTABLE in the US. The rioters should be prosecuted, and they are not entitled to any legal protection for their disgraceful behavior. The Democratic Party is hopeful every single thief, property destoryer and assailant caught on video is jailed. Period.”

  28. Phoenix says:

    Keep your eye on the youth.
    They are the direction your country is going in.
    The hole in the ground is where you are headed.

  29. 30 year realtor says:

    Should have proof read that. Are you saying that you don’t believe Trump makes statements that foment violence? Or do you believe rhetoric is not capable of causing such results?

  30. Phoenix says:

    crushednjmillenial,

    Trump just stole the rights to a song when told he could not have them.

    What message does that show the youth when it comes to being a law abiding citizen?

    The president says it’s okay to steal, guess that makes it okay.

  31. 3b says:

    30 year: Sorry I am not buying it. Trump forments violence or Biden or anyone else is just an excuse to commit violence and somehow feel justified. Peoples lives are being destroyed because of this violence on top of the pandemic. And it needs to be loudly condemned by both parties.

  32. Libturd says:

    Trump’s populism (through hatred of immigrants, woman, blacks (or call it support of white supremacists)) created the protest culture. The so-called violence (as 200K people die of Covid “mainly” due to Trump’s mishandling of the pandemic as well as his continued incompetence) in these recent hippy protests pale in comparison to any “real” violent protests. Especially considering that the only deaths from this violence have been committed by a Trump disciple so far. But make like shooting paintballs and burning down federal court buildings is equal to teargassing crowds so you can have a press conference at a Church that wanted nothing to do with you.

  33. 3b says:

    Lib: I will be staying home again on Election Day. Trump , Biden, Hillary makes no difference to me. The real candidates for change were pushed aside again. But, the violence is hurting Biden and the Democrats. And there does not seem to be any real enthusiasm especially with the young for his election.

  34. homeboken says:

    30 yr – The lack of a proper police force presence, failure of local leadership and failure to prosecute rioters for 3 months foments violence.

    Weakness attracts aggression, it’s a natural law. Rioters know where the police are weak and will ramp up their aggression in areas they know they can exploit.

  35. 30 year realtor says:

    JCer,

    Trump loses based on vote count/electoral college but it takes a few weeks to tabulate the results. Protests spawn in many areas of the country and some looting and violence occur. Does Trump’s statement about the election being rigged have anything to do with the protests, looting and violence?

  36. Phoenix says:

    What is the difference between shoplifting a shirt or stealing a song? Both are theft, right?
    But only one gets handcuffs and their face slammed into the hood of a police car.

    Don’t worry, your youth are watching and are connected 24-7.
    They are learning from you boomer.
    Mommies on Facebook reaching out to other mommies about their excessive use of alcohol- what a laugh. The same MADD mommies are the drunks now instead-outpacing men in drinking. Time to start DADM- Dads against drunk mommies.

  37. Libturd says:

    It’s over. All lies, all the time by the worst president ever.

    I’ll take corporatocracy, as much as I can’t stand it, over this lying bullsh1t any day of the week.

  38. 3b says:

    30 Year I believe rhetoric stirs peoples passion and it does contribute to violence, but those people have the choice to not engage in it. They are just as bad as Trump or anyone else engaging in the rhetoric.

  39. Phoenix says:

    “Weakness attracts aggression, it’s a natural law. Rioters know where the police are weak and will ramp up their aggression in areas they know they can exploit.”

    Kim Jong-un.

  40. homeboken says:

    On a related note – Watching Biden squint at his teleprompter during prepared remarks, losing his place and going on mumbling rants is not helping his cause. Neither is not taking a single question during these live events.

    But the DNC sees the writing on the wall – They can’t win with Joe in the basement, so it’s time to go “all-in” and wheel him around the swing states. Let’s see if Joe can fight until Nov 3 without challenging anyone to a push-up contest or telling his base that “they ain’t black”

  41. Phoenix says:

    “They are just as bad as Trump or anyone else engaging in the rhetoric.”

    He is the president of the United States of America. Not some 17 year old kid from the sticks.
    He sets the example. The most powerful man in the free world. Nukes at his disposal.

    What he says or does is different than an ordinary individual.

  42. Phoenix says:

    ” Watching Biden squint at his teleprompter during prepared remarks, losing his place and going on mumbling rants is not helping his cause.”

    Thanks boomer for your other spectacular choice of leader for the United States of America.
    You’re batting 100.

  43. Phoenix says:

    “It’s over. All lies,”

    Yup.

  44. 30 year realtor says:

    Biden says there are radical extremists on both sides. Everyone knows this is the truth. Yet many people here comment as though this isn’t true. Trump not only states that all extremists are on the left, but everyone on the left is an extremist. To believe what Trump is saying in this regard you would have to be either stupid or blind. Where do you guys line up, stupid or blind?

  45. Libturd says:

    I’ve also noticed that the indoctrination of our children by parents is much stronger on the left than on the right. In speaking with kids of Trump disciples, most of them are on the fence. Kids of liberal parents are already wearing puzzy hats. This will not bode well for the future of the red team that just sold it’s future on a reality TV actor whose catch line was, “You’re fired.”

    Thighland? Ask 1o0 ten-year old kids how to pronounce Thailand and you’ll be lucky to find one who doesn’t know how to pronounce it. It’s a friggin’ embarrassment.

  46. crushednjmillenial says:

    Libturd . . . I suppose politics is ultimately the idea that different people see things differently, and emphasize or de-emphasize the importance of different things differently.

    My personal take, just in my opinion, is that the biggest swing voter in the US is the suburban middle-aged woman. Her husband and father are already voting for trump if she is in a swing state. Her younger sister and her liberal co-worker are already voting for Biden, no matter what. I just personally believe that the MI, PA, and WI suburban middle-aged woman is going to have a harder time to pull the lever for BLM than Trump.

    And, I believe that the Dems could have maneuvered easily to avoid the impression that voting for Biden is equal to voting for more burning buildings and things thrown at police. I wrote on this site months ago that pessimism about Trump’s re-election chances seemed overblown given the looting, and how viscerally distasteful looting is to most Americans.

    Btw, it doesn’t matter what I think of the looting personally. I live in NJ and this state is going Biden 2-to-1. Amy Johnson in suburban Kenosha or Suzy Smith in suburban Tampa is going to decide this thing.

    Finally, “real violent protests” are not acceptable in the US. Political violence is not acceptable in the US. I feel pretty strongly that this a middle, centrist position that 80 or 90% of the US would agree with. Maybe I am wrong, but I hope not. We have strong free speech, and it is though free speech including peaceful protest, that political objectives in the US may be freely sought, 24-7. All violence should immediately be proceeded efficiently through the criminal justice system.

  47. Phoenix says:

    “is that the biggest swing voter in the US is the suburban middle-aged woman.”

    Karen chooses the next President. Proves my point it will be Trump.

    Hahaaaahaaa.

    We are soooooooo screwed.

  48. Libturd says:

    There are extremists on both side. Both equally dangerous as they all ignore facts and truths. But it’s the content of the narratives that they produce that is the really scary stuff.

    Should Biden be condemning the hippy protests? Absolutely! Should Trump be making sure the post office can handle the mail in ballots effectively? Absolutely! But at the end of the day neither does either. And that’s the real problem. And the extremists love every minute of it while the other 90% of us are embarrassed by these cult followers.

  49. Phoenix says:

    “and how viscerally distasteful looting is to most Americans.”

    Does that include looting songs like hallelujah by the sitting president, or is that okay?

    Asking for a friend..

  50. 3b says:

    Phoenix: Point taken. I will revise just as bad as Biden engaging in rhetoric. For the record, I was a Bernie/Warren supporter. I despise both parties and have been saying that for years.

  51. Phoenix says:

    The two opposite sides in a nutshell.

    https://youtu.be/ZX5MHNvjw7o?t=5

  52. Juice Box says:

    re: “suburban middle-aged woman?”

    You mean Karen? They are all lumpy and angry right now. Going to be interesting to see how this plays out with that angry bunch.

    They all need to detox from too much cheap Chardonnay and just want to go back to gorging annually 10 times a day on the Anthem of the Seas and dressing up once a month for the local Mom’s group gathering at the local watering hole with the other Karens for a B-day celebration to discuss the latest episode of real house wives blech.

    Who is going to promise them a return to their cul de sac sense of normalcy?

  53. homeboken says:

    Young people lean liberal – No shock there. They move to the center as they realize the folly of youthful idealism in the real world.

    The biggest swing will be the minority voter. Nationwide, there are well organized movements at work that are presenting an alternative to the Blue Only scenario that the urban voter had for the last 40 years. Here’s a list to consider:

    Last year each city had a Republican mayor:
    Seattle – 1964
    Minneapolis – 1957
    Portland – 1952
    Chicago – 1927
    D.C – Never

  54. Phoenix says:

    I was a Bernie/Warren supporter.

    So was the youth. But boomer refused to go there. Kid is dusting off hundreds of spotted lanternflies that boomer imported from China in order to pad his stock market gains.

    Bad choices for many years is going to cause the implosion. Gen Z is so connected by the time a boomer types 3 letters the z has them figured out. Why do you think they are so afraid of TikTok? 6 year old kid making boomer look like an idiot-can’t handle it.

    It’s all out in the open now and the youth sees the hypocrisy. They see lying cops, judges, teachers, clergy-and presidents. Kids learn about censorship then have a president censor the platform they are all using. Each little tidbit a lesson.

    As for the rioters, they are now learning the techniques of street fighting and police tactics-plus the public’s response to it.

    Should all be interesting. Too bad boomer did not bother to set a good example for their youth all of these years. Too self centered I guess.

  55. Phoenix says:

    “suburban middle-aged woman?”

    Here is your swing voter.

    Maybe the candidate who will give her “more cheese” will win.

    https://youtu.be/ukqLXMWLcoA?t=9

  56. Bystander says:

    Biden should head to Mount Pleasant, WI. He would be a fool not to call out the FoxConn disaster. Hammer Dumpy’s lies to American people. More corp tax giveaways and local debt – big show about his “great deal” then zero substance three years later.

    President Donald Trump boasted of a “blue-collar boom” in his State of the Union speech, but in one corner of Wisconsin where residents were promised a swell of much-needed manufacturing jobs, they have been left waiting.

    Three years ago, Taiwan-based electronics giant Foxconn was lured to the Milwaukee suburbs by former Gov. Scott Walker, a Republican, and his GOP allies, with $4 billion in tax breaks.

    In return, Foxconn promised to hire 13,000 people, the bulk of whom would work in a factory assembling high-tech liquid crystal display screens at a new plant in the town of Mt. Pleasant.

    The facility is scheduled to open in just a few months and Wisconsin residents are still unclear what kinds of jobs will be offered by Foxconn. In recent years, the company has said it might turn the facility into a research hub staffed with scientists and engineers instead of factory workers.

    Lawmakers like Wisconsin Assembly Minority Leader Gordon Hintz said they are increasingly skeptical that Foxconn will live up to its promises.

    “We’re three months from the opening of something that the state is hoping will be a success and we have no idea what they’re going to do there,“ said Hintz, who is a Democrat.

    Foxconn’s hiring is “far, far behind the timeline of the original plan and there is no evidence the company will create anything close to the 13,000 jobs promised when the project was announced,” wrote Marc Levine, professor emeritus and founding director of the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee’s Center of Economic Development, in an email.

    “Nor does anyone know precisely what the company will even do in Wisconsin,” Levine added. “It is, by any reckoning, an economic development mess.”

  57. homeboken says:

    Bystander – If a company is lured back to a state with tax incentives, in exchange for new jobs for that state. That’s the right intent.

    If the company fails to deliver those jobs, then every cent of the incentive should be repaid, with interest and penalties, due immediately. I also support an additional “sin-tax” on the company that fails to deliver agreed upon jobs within the agreed upon period of time.

  58. homeboken says:

    Further to above – I don’t know the Fox Conn story but it sounds like this is an issue that was negotiated between Wisconsin and FoxConn.

    How would you propose the federal government step in to assist?

  59. Phoenix says:

    The wind turns like a dagger, the rain falls like a hammer
    The sky has grown dark but it’s not too late
    The weather crashes down, what’s lost cannot be found
    The night is closing but it’s not too late

    It’s not too late, it’s not too late
    It’s not too late, it’s not too late
    The atmosphere is lethal but I will fear no evil

    The ocean rolls like thunder, the tempest pulls us under
    The dogs are howling but it’s not too late
    As broken structures rust, false idols turn to dust
    All lies in ashes but it’s not too late

    It’s not too late, it’s not too late
    It’s not too late, it’s not too late
    The atmosphere is lethal but I will fear no evil

    In the dark before the dawn, the echo of the siren song
    Dies away like a ghost, as the day breaks

    It’s not too late, it’s not too late
    It’s not too late, it’s not too late
    The atmosphere is lethal but I will fear no evil

  60. Libturd says:

    It’s a good debate today.

    Was in North Carolina with a Trump family (that wore masks btw as dad is a firefighter and mom a public school teacher (and more center politically) and we did talk politics a bit, but not too much as it always ended where we started, as one would expect. Their kids parroted dad’s views. None-the-less, we are all very close friends.

    If there was anything I took out of it all, it’s that the father sounded like he never turned any news source on besides Fox. Everything was Antifa this, Obama that, AOC this, Bernie that. Communism, Social1sm, and Guns. I asked him point blank, how has Trump improved his life and how had Obama hurt his life? He said, it’s nice to be heard. Obama didn’t hear him. I repeated the question asking for his day to day changes. He agreed, not much was different under either. Then he mentioned that Harris might not have proper citizenship to be veep. He then went into Antifa to which I told him that in my all years, I never met a member, though I knew a lot of tea partiers and even some Proud Boys. He then huffed off all pissed off.

    For sure, this will be an interesting election.

  61. Libturd says:

    “I also support an additional “sin-tax” on the company that fails to deliver agreed upon jobs within the agreed upon period of time.”

    You would never get a deal. Never! It’s easier to buy off a politician than risk paying a sin-tax.

  62. njtownhomer says:

    “suburban middle-aged woman?”

    terrific point. I have a bunch in my neighborhood, not that they would swing it for NJ, but their peers in MI, WI, PA would.

    Most of the Reagan republicans, still emotionally pulling for GOP, but their kids are almost on progressives, sharing pictures of NBA/NFL players and displaying solidarity with BLM.

    Future is between connected and unconnected. It makes a big difference of what they are connected to. However, many are connected socially so they see all the hypocrisy. The indebtedness and these will make them shy away from the goodies of liberal economics.

  63. No One says:

    I never liked the Hallelujah song, Trump continues to ignore the rules when it suits him, and this also shows his poor taste in music. Or maybe Ivanka’s.
    It’s one of those pseudo-spiritual songs that attempt to sound deep but look at the lyrics and you can see it’s not really. Definitely more appropriate to keep that song with the Democrats.

  64. Fast Eddie says:

    “We’re three months from the opening of something that the state is hoping will be a success and we have no idea what they’re going to do there,“ said Hintz, who is a Democrat.

    They should learn a lesson from AOC who delivered thousands of Amazon jobs to Long Island City! Umm… nevermind.

  65. ExEssex says:

    12:03 Her move prescient wasn’t it Eddie? Imagine giving that douchebag Bezos billions in tax incentives only to have WFH come and close those huuuuuuuge offices in Queens……….see how that works?

    aNy qUeStiOns…..?

  66. ExEssex says:

    kNeEl bEfoRe ZoD.

  67. Bystander says:

    Did NYC even notice, Ed? Merely a blip and AMZ still brought thousands of jobs to NYC. Mount Pleasant and WI pinned its hope and dreams to the project. The tax incentive sh*t needs alot more control and accountability. Maybe you and ‘boken missed it. Trump held WH event to announce “great deal”. He attends groundbreaking. He owns this mess politically. Lots of local debt taken for infrastructure, roads and even funneling water from lakes for screen manufacturing. Will FoxConn pay for that too? What a sham.

    Trump was a major cheerleader for the Foxconn project, which was announced at a White House ceremony in 2017 and was promoted as proof of his supposed ability to revive American manufacturing.

    Trump even took part in the in the June 28, 2018, groundbreaking ceremony with Walker and company founder Terry Gou at the site of the firm’s LCD manufacturing campus.

    Hintz, in a column published in the Wisconsin State Journal Monday, said taxpayers have already shelled out $151 million — mostly for new roads and infrastructure — for the Foxconn project. But the company has not given any indication it intends to create the kind of manufacturing jobs that people in Wisconsin desperately need.

    “The longer Foxconn is vague about its plans for any viable project in Wisconsin, the more Wisconsin taxpayers should be concerned,” he wrote.

  68. njtownhomer says:

    AMZN has grown “Tremendously” in NYC area. This is even without the incentives they were gonna get it if it was for most local politicians. They will move in more and buy more properties on the cheap. Let the free market solve the problem, don’t throw incentives when you dont need it.

  69. ExEssex says:

    kNeEl bEfoRe ZoD………..!!!!

  70. Juice Box says:

    Foxconn?

    They are currently moving the work AKA slave wages out of China to Mexico, India, Vietnam to escape Trumps tariffs and keep the labor arbitrage going.

    Biden wins? Jobs move right back to CHINA. Trump is on message here, people do get it. Biden folks get it too he won’t win on labor and jobs we all know where and when he was on NAFTA and other distrous legislation that killed the American manufacturing jobs during his tenure.

    What can Biden promise? Vapor Jobs that don’t exist. He can talk green energy jobs all he wants as he never voted for any legislation to kill them or actually create them either.

  71. Fat Fast Eddie says:

    “The longer Foxconn is vague about its plans for any viable project in Wisconsin, the more Wisconsin taxpayers should be concerned,” he wrote.

    Sounds like he’s jealous. Doesn’t Hintz know this will be more tax dollars to loot in order to con a few more victims in exchange for votes? And I wonder how many jobs were created in the construction of new roads and infrastructure? The dems hate that this much progress has been made!! Doesn’t the right know that symbols over substance is the political standard?

  72. Juice Box says:

    I have had a few co-workers land at Amazon in the last year, they are going after every vertical in their battle vs Microsoft for cloud supremacy.

  73. Bystander says:

    Right, Ed..then those “evil tax-raising” Dems will be vilified for paying for it. The hypocrisy is astounding.

  74. TuesdayDepressing BettingDay says:

    My 2 cents bets, is sort of a chain reaction of dominos falling. First domino is our credibility backed by our military. A house divide can’t win in a far off physical and day to day war that is not a war of survival

    1- Trump wins barely after weeks of back/forth. 2)During this time China will invade Taiwan and win in very effective manner. 3) The effects of the win will finish off military and economic US credibility. 4) Massive world wide military and economic instability worldwide as dump on USD/Treasuries/ Assets. 5) Gives cover to Democratic House & Senate Impeach & Remove pronto. 6)Pence takes over and old GOP asserts itself over Trumpism as discredited by failures and scandals. 7)Dems in interline warfare as total failure of neoliberal/corporate 3rd way democrat ideas vs reality in ground, helped along by nature (all the septa/octagenarian leadership). 8) The US will look more like eastern europe after communism collapse, a plutocratic corporatists state in all but name, but higher emigration vs immigration, and the police issue becomes a minor as you get merging of criminal gangs within police force and local political parties like Mexico (many State Police are divisions of the Cartel).

  75. Fat Fast Eddie says:

    TuesdayDepressing BettingDay,

    And a partridge in a pear tree.

  76. leftwing says:

    “What was the data point that we achieved that gave the green light to open indoor dining?”

    “235 in ALL for the State of NJ (9 million residents)”

    Whew. Thank goodness we got beneath that all important 236, 0.003% number…..Hope we don’t hit 239 mid-week…..

    “Flattening the curve” is what was agreed. There were always going to be infections and deaths, the goal was to delay the spread so as to not overwhelm the hospitals and cause deaths due to capacity constraints.

    Absolutely criminal the Left politicized C19 to try to lever it against DJT by focusing on eradication…….and that NYC restaurants are still closed.

  77. Fat Fast Eddie says:

    And isn’t beautiful that Trump signed four executive orders as Pelosi gets @ss f.ucked by MSNBC and PBS. Whats the matter, you old, f.ucking hag, your plan backfired? She wanted money for illegal al1ens and known felons. And you believe that a middle of the road voter is going to back these piece of shit c0cksuckers? F.uck you.

  78. leftwing says:

    “Pickup trucks loaded with Proud Boys spraying bear repellent and shooting paint balls while running through crowds in Portland. wUt vIoLenCe …. derrrrrrr”

    Hey dumbass, they sprayed and painted when they were prevented from driving through by the rioters.

    Ooops, sorry…I forgot….you libruls are all for protest, so long as you agree with it.

  79. Bystander says:

    Going to lots of bored, angry mid-westerners this fall. The reality of no football has not even hit them yet. Even Dumpy trying to save face. Biden should be hitting these surrounding areas hard and blaming Orange clown’s failures for taking away their “precious”.

    -Columbus, OH
    -Ann Arbor, MI
    -East Lansing, MI
    -Madison, WI
    -State College, PA
    -Minny, MN

  80. Libturd says:

    “Absolutely criminal the Left politicized C19 to try to lever it against DJT by focusing on eradication”

    Also absolutely criminal that the right didn’t take it seriously, killing tens of thousands more than it should have and made wearing a mask a leftwing conspiracy. I might add, leaving a path for the left to politicize it for their gain once people finally admitted the pandemic was an issue and that we all should be wearing masks.

  81. TuesdayDepressing Betting Day says:

    Marc Faber wrote something in the late 90’s about how saw changes coming to the US because the wealthy decided that they were not going to pay for social services cost. Faber is an old swiss perv, living in Thailand. But his mindset is that of European global money. Asian Global money is more locally loyal. In short they saw opportunity took it and are leaving.

    For his views this is from wikipedia –

    Faber drew criticism on October 17, 2017, after including controversial and widely criticized as racist remarks in the latest print edition of his investment newsletter.

    In the October edition of Faber’s Gloom, Doom and Boom Report, he criticized “liberal hypocrites” and ongoing efforts to tear down “monuments of historic personalities.” He opined that the U.S. grew successful because white people held power.

    “Thank God white people populated America, and not the blacks,” Faber wrote, according to an excerpt of the print newsletter obtained by Business Insider. “Otherwise, the U.S. would look like Zimbabwe, which it might look like one day anyway, but at least America enjoyed 200 years in the economic and political sun under a white majority. I am not a racist, but the reality – no matter how politically incorrect – needs to be spelled out as well.”[28] He further defended statues of Confederate figures calling them “honorable people whose only crime was to defend what all societies had done for more than 5,000 years: keep a part of the population enslaved.”[29] Faber defended his comments in a subsequent statement to Business Insider, adding that he is “naturally standing by this comment since this is an indisputable fact”.

    “If stating some historical facts makes me a racist, then I suppose that I am a racist. For years, Japanese were condemned because they denied the Nanking massacre,” Faber said.[30]

    Faber was subsequently asked to resign from the boards of Ivanhoe Mines, Sprott Inc. and NovaGold Resources. U.S-based Sunshine Silver Mining Corp, Vietnam Growth Fund managed by Dragon Capital, and Indochina Capital Corporation also dismissed him, Faber told Reuters. CNBC, Fox Business, and Bloomberg TV said that they do not plan to book Faber in the future. Faber continues to stand by his remarks.[31][32]

  82. leftwing says:

    “If one of the candidates doesn’t win in a landslide these 62 days are just a warm up for the real festivities.”

    Oh yeah. Better believe it. Already bought the popcorn to watch. Gonna be ugly, way too many center-right people have been pushed way too far watching cities burn while the Left politicians defend it and call them every type of -ist if they dare to speak up.

    Absolutely amazes me it took two months for a group of citizens to come into a city under Leftist siege to engage in hand to hand fighting. Would have bet sooner. Gonna get REAL ugly post election, I’m thinking worse than late 60s riots.

    “Meanwhile keep telling yourself Trump doesn’t foment violence.”

    Show me one major Left politician who has called out the protestors by name….they don’t and can’t…..they will lose the deal they had to make with the far Left after kneecapping Bernie again….

    Saw last night Biden say the violence is happening in “Trump’s” America….it was overlaid on a video of a woman with a microphone announcing the shooting death in portland to the crowd who broke out in applause as she continued to say into the megaphone “more to come”. I’ll find the video and post it, she was by demographics very obviously a trump supporter /s/

    Why can Bernie not tell the Portland protesters to go home?

  83. TuesdayDepressing BettingDay says:

    The point about Marc Faber is, if we don’t take care of each other the world won’t. And at this point a lot of vested interest are making sure that we hate each other.

    Only thing that can turn it around is a “Fight for Survival War event”. Where are those space aliens with their big spaceships when you need them?

  84. Bystander says:

    I went to one of these schools. You are literally talking 100K coming for a game, thousands more not going in (just for fun) and million plus watching on tube. It is absolutely in-grained into economy, mentality, pride and culture of the state. The NFL is secondary. Take this away and all bets are off. By end of Sept, they will be frothing with madness, watching SEC and ACC. They will be looking for someone to blame.

  85. JCer says:

    leftwing, the more I see, the more it appears dems are the thought police. They learned all they needed to know from the Stasi, NKVD, and KGB. It’s peaceful protest when they are burning buildings for a reason they cannot articulate, blocking traffic, killing people(yes there have been people killed in the protests including children and people of color). But any counter protest is met with a violent response. Political violence is abhorrent and cannot occur in a democracy, so far the left has been the more guilty party. As for vote by mail it is totally unnecessary, the experts are saying voting in person is safe, we have absentee ballots for those who have risk factors the keep them away from the polls, universal mail in voting seems ridiculous.

    I certainly hope China doesn’t invade Taiwan, it likely means war with China. We cannot allow such a move of aggression, China is already acting like N@zi Germany and this a totally an invasion of Poland like move. If Trump is the president I’d expect an invasion of Taiwan would be met with a bombing attack on Hong Kong or Beijing.

  86. leftwing says:

    And, btw, there were a lot of Biden reports I was watching….the guy is really not all there….I’m not being political…I’ve just not seen him since I don’t know when other than the Dem debates where he was hidden given the large crowd….

    I used to think the “Monday Night Massacre” where the DNC took out all the competing candidates to Biden right before Super Tuesday voting was to consolidate support….after seeing Biden speak repeatedly I think instead they were scared sh1tless that Super Tuesday would have narrowed the field to three or four candidates, and no way in hell could Biden be on a stage with that much exposure….

    I actually feel sorry for him….I don’t think he’s a bad person, just someone who has done bad things (as any five decade powerful l1beral would have). As someone with parents in their mid-80s, it’s painful to watch him just cognitively…exit, I guess, midsentence.

  87. leftwing says:

    “Or is it some violence is ok and some is not, depending on what side is committing it?”

    Give this man a prize!!

  88. Libturd says:

    The answer is painfully obvious, so I am guessing you just want to hear it from someone on the left. The reason the leaders on the left won’t condemn the hippy protests in Portland and Seattle is that the hippies are pretty much protesting the right’s populism (xenophobia, misogyny, racism). Since these protests were born out of social injustice, especially the newer BLM movement, it is difficult to knock down a protest without alienating some supporters.

    I, as well as the vast majority of the left, is against the destruction of public property. These protests are members of the most extreme left. My guess is that these morons would not be happy even if Biden was elected. Which is why I label them hippies. They do not represent the left. Though the right is hell bent on making their supporters think the left supports their violence, which they do not. Of course, if you want to say these fools are representative of the left. Then I can assume the entire law & order right is in support of the asshole who murdered two of the protestors.

    Correct?

  89. Fast Eddie says:

    Also absolutely criminal that the right didn’t take it seriously, killing tens of thousands more than it should have and made wearing a mask a leftwing conspiracy.

    Unlike Cuomo and Murphy escorting the elderly into assisted living death camps?

  90. Libturd says:

    Yes. I agree Eddie. These two should be hung from their scrotum as well.

  91. Bystander says:

    30 year,

    It is easy to be on the R side. No one should complain as this is America. If someone on other side protests brutality and violence, then the litmus test for their protesting behavior is Gandhi. If windows are shattered or some looters appear then immediately they are all violent protesters and getting shot and killed is expected, even lauded. I had a guy on FB commenting on Jewell movie and how media was to blame. It devolved into how Democrat protesters are being fed by CNN as a globalist conspiracy to break apart America through leftist violence. Did one person mention that Eric Rudolph was the Atlanta bomber who killed and injured because of anti-abortion and anti-gay anger? Of course not. It destroys their Qnon bs narratives, like many here.

  92. Libturd says:

    The abortion thing I get, but don’t agree. The anti-gay thing? Well that’s up there in the David Koresh department.

  93. leftwing says:

    “It is backfiring in a big way, had they just kept their heads down they could have beaten Trump…”

    I can’t believe it either. During C19 I swung from expecting Trump to win again to yielding that he was definitely losing. Not so sure now….These idiot Dems are going to blow two in a row….they were literally dealt a pair of queens into a dealer six and they decided to…split them.

    “Especially among all of the federal Republican endorsements for Biden…”
    Absolutely zero effect Lib. Seriously, none whatsoever for the targeted R voter.

    I’ve never seen such anger – actually downright rage – among your typical placid voter. Suburban Republican housewives? Holy lord…..Dems would have had them sown up, worst case sitting this election out which is also a Biden win…..At a gathering last weekend with five couples, absolute middle of the road, apolitical types….four of the five WIVES were debating politics and citing Fox…Known these people for the better part of a decade and never heard any opinion and was really amazed at the Fox references…asked about both, they tuned in to politics and Fox within the last two months….they – in their own words – were pissed at being fed blatant bias and then if they dare question any part of it being called disgusting names. My social circle is not that large – kids gone – but in the last six weeks I’ve been a reference for three separate gun/pistol permits…again, total middle of the road types….these guys admit they can’t really tell you why they are getting firearms, and that any scenario they could sketch out is so improbable as to not even be relevant…bottom analysis after probing they are pissed and this is one tangible way they can express their displeasure without being shouted down and labelled…..again, middle of the road typically apolitical suburban dads….

    Dude, this is happening in NEW JERSEY. If these wives and fathers feel this way, what do you think is being discussed behind closed middle class doors in MN? WI? OH? MI?

    Unbelievable, they are filming Hillary-The Sequel…….

  94. BRT says:

    I said it a month ago, they were playing not to lose like a team up by 15 in the 4th quarter.

  95. homeboken says:

    If minority voting patterns continue on their current path, NJ will be a swing state in 2024.

  96. Bystander says:

    Violent right wing protesters. I guess the left gun owners should just mow some down. Such violence warrants it

    “In 2017, violent acts against abortion providers more than doubled from the year prior, according to data compiled by NAF. The group recorded 1,081 violent acts, the most since the group began tracking these incidents.

    Last year, the group recorded another new record high: 1,369 reported violent acts, including 15 instances of assault and battery, 13 burglaries, 14 counts of stalking and over a thousand episodes of illegal trespassing.”

  97. Juice Box says:

    Both sides use fear

    Fear is the path to the dark side. – Yoda

  98. No One says:

    Biden will carry NJ for sure.
    But my wife does hear unsolicited support for Trump from her doctor’s nurse, our pest control guy.
    Tucker Carlson is providing talking points for middle age and up people who watch Fox. Mostly white, I think. They hear CNN and most of the media, and the Dems declare them guilty of racism and demanding unequal treatment for them, and telling them to stay inside for a year, while other favored groups are allowed to go out looting, set fires, resist arrest and shout racist speech outdoors. Technically, I guess Diblasio is against lawbreakers, and may have vocalized words to that effect, but people with brains can clearly observe that law and order is far from being a priority for him.
    Nobody knows who will win. The kindest result for the country from my perspective would be for Trump to win, then pass away in his sleep, so that Pence can preside less divisively. (Though Dems and their media would immediately declare Pence second-worst president ever).

  99. crushednjmillenial says:

    Bystander . . . regarding condemnation of political violence on the right, the terrorist who drove into protesters in Charlottesville committed one of the most repugnant political acts on US soil in the last twenty years. (As you all likely recall, he drove the grey muscle car).

    His actions are political violence. His actions are terrorism. If I was the judge at his criminal trial, I would be 99.99% likely to sentence him to death (assuming he was mentally fit to stand trial, and that the law permitted sentences of death for his crimes). If not death, then it would be life without parole.

    The President did not condemn his violence strongly enough. If the rightist protests included violence or property destruction for multiple days and the President continued to fail to denounce the political violence, then I believe the Republicans would have alienated many swing voters.

  100. Juice Box says:

    All of this call for “unrest” by the leaders of the left had led to riots in many cities not just Portland. It’s not all about Portland, we see stories everyday in NYC and other nearby cities of lawlessness. Most do to high unemployment 25% or so in some areas of NYC etc, but not all.

    Then there are the far flung places like Kenosha or Houston where open carry is as common as walking the dog, you can expect trouble when people are armed, they aren’t throwing punches or rocks they are slinging lead when confronted with the fight or flight response.

    Then we hear people today are arming themselves at an alarming rate around here? As pointed out by left-wing the Housewives of New Jersey are getting pistol permits?

    I may need to move to Canada and let you all shoot it out.

  101. D-FENS says:

    Probably fake right?

    @PpollingNumbers
    ·
    1h
    Among Black Voters:
    Biden 66% (-23 vs 2016 results)
    Trump 28% (+20)

    Among Hispanic Voters:
    Biden 56% (-10)
    Trump 41% (+13)

  102. leftwing says:

    “Should Biden be condemning the hippy protests?”

    Funny, my recollection of hippies were non-violent love-ins and trippy drugs while listening to jam music…..not setting ablaze dozens of parked cars and federal buildings….sure you don’t have them confused with other splinter groups of that era?

    You may want to re-examine your 1960s history…..April, 1968 – election year – major US cities burn after race riots in Minneapolis. A laughingstock of a politician, Nixon, defeats favored centrist (George) Romney in the Republican Party…he primarily uses a new political medium (TV) to promote a ‘law and order’ platform in the general election to appeal to what he called a ‘silent majority’ of voters who were hesitant to express support for him and angered by violent radical groups including the Black Panthers. He faced Humphrey, the Dem candidate, who was not that party’s first choice, who was a long time Washington politician, and who was the 38th VP of the US. Nixon won resoundingly although not without controversy as it was alleged he used Chinese connections to influence American policy in October before the election….Oh, and although in the end it wouldn’t have changed the outcome there was fringe third party candidate that based on racial overtones swung some States that otherwise had gone Dem…..

    I mean, c’mon, history rhymes, those who ignore history, etc but this is crazy….you don’t even need to change some names from 1968 to 2020………So, yeah, you keep calling Biden hands down. I’ll need to google to see who your 1968 counterpart was….and anyone have a Kanye update other than the fact that he was accepted onto the VA ballot two hours ago?

  103. SmallGovConservative says:

    Bystander says:
    September 1, 2020 at 12:19 pm
    “Did NYC even notice [Amazon reversing course on NYC as second HQ] , Ed? Merely a blip…”

    For anyone that considers themselves a reasonable person, being a Dem must be very challenging; it means constantly having to say “it doesn’t matter” (when you know it does) when presented with never-ending examples of Dem governance malfeasance.
    – AMZN not coming to NYC with a second HQ? Doesn’t matter, just a blip…
    – Shootings have surged nearly 80% across NYC so far this year? Doesn’t matter…
    – 450 Big Apple businesses were looted or damaged during recent protests? Doesn’t matter…
    – NJ to borrow $9 billion and raise gas tax instead of reducing cost of govt? Doesn’t matter…
    – 55 shot, 10 dead in Chicago this past weekend? Doesn’t matter…
    – Minneapolis officials estimate $150 million worth of damages? Doesn’t matter…
    – Dem congresswomen spread anti-semitic content? Doesn’t matter…

    I could go on and on, but why bother mentioning Detroit, Baltimore, Portland, etc…

  104. leftwing says:

    ^^^^^or tell me why the fcuk do YOU think they pushed Joe out of his basement?

  105. leftwing says:

    above was for my prior post, not Small’s….

  106. D-FENS says:

    If Kanye pulls enough black voters away from Biden in swing states he will have decided the election.

  107. Dink says:

    “2016 – He won with 8% of the black vote. I know you are good at math, what do you think happens if he gets 20% of the black vote now? There are 5 different polls showing his approval with the black voter is 25%-35%”

    Get over it, you guys said the same thing in 2016. He’s not getting more than 10% of the black vote as much as you would like to believe it may happen by cherry-picking outlier poll numbers.

  108. Libturd says:

    Exactly Dink.

    The right can have their make believe conspiracies and fun for there’s two months left before we get to see Trump act like the complete imbecile that he is when he loses the election. Can’t wait to read his tweets then.

  109. homeboken says:

    Dink – Disagree. There are two dozen minority men and women that have won their primary races and are challenging long-standing Democrat congressional seats.

    They may not win this year but in 2 more years? Or 2024?

    You can call them outliers but there are 5 seperate polls that show Trump north of 20% with black voters. Are all 5 of them outliers? I will pull the list together when I have time to prove it. But 5 polls by definition, can’t be “an outlier”

  110. homeboken says:

    Even if Dink is right, if the GOP wins 25% of the black vote on a regular basis, the DNC can’t win the WH for years. Unless they suddenly get the youth to turn out and overcome it, which hasn’t happened in my lifetime.

    It’s a trend that should be alarming the DNC. Race pimps like Sharpton and their ilk are getting exposed. The minority community is sick of it.

    Showing up with a frozen turkey at Thanksgiving isn’t enough anymore. These citizens want opportunity, they want school choice. The DNC is losing them fast.

  111. Libturd says:

    “The DNC is losing them fast.”

    Outside of school choice (which is really about getting the government to pay for rich kid’s private school), what does the RNC offer the black man?

    Serious question.

    The only Black Republicans that I know are all independently wealthy and want to stay that way.

  112. Bystander says:

    Small,

    ..and if it was during Obama, you would be putting all violence on his presidency. I will blame Trump, see how easy that is..

  113. Fast Eddie says:

    What does the DNC offer the black man?

  114. homeboken says:

    Trump offers school choice,
    Trump has alrady accomplished permanent funding for HBCU’s, First Step Act prison reform but most importantly Opportunity Zone Investments (Tim Scott’s baby).

    OZ investments have been crushing it. I’m not going into details but I worked on several deals that utilized this program. Interest in these investments was massively over-subscribed.

  115. LurksMcGee says:

    2:28 Leftwing, I’ve been seeing those similarities since 2016. At this point, I’m just trying to time a war. Might be better at that than timing the market.

  116. Juice Box says:

    Gov Cuomo out walking his dog with no mask.

    https://twitter.com/BJLoVerde/status/1300763678434889730

    Like a mobster his slogan has been “Wearing a mask is about respect”

  117. leftwing says:

    “There are two dozen minority men and women that have won their primary races and are challenging long-standing Democrat congressional seats.”

    Smokin’……!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S_Xl2eOeeY

    You may be familiar with her but watch it all the way through…so many did she just say that moments.

    I particularly like how she gives the Dems a poke in the eye by calling it the ‘Democrat’ Party.

  118. ExEssex says:

    3:27 representation.

  119. Fast Eddie says:

    Essex,

    That was the mantra 55 years ago. The AA community is finally realizing they were/are being used.

  120. JCer says:

    Fast Eddie, the libs don’t get it. Both Biden and Harris locked black men up for drug crimes in a way that was absolutely and totally racist and classist. The democrats offer despair, the majority of people black, white, latino, asian, purple, whatever want the same things. First and foremost opportunity, opportunity to earn a good living, good schools and safe communities. So far the dems are offering welfare and offshoring of jobs(guess what happens with very stringent enviro rules and green energy mandates), safety in cities(given the lip service to “defund the police”) is not their forte, and education is not a strong point either given how tied the democrats are to the teachers unions.

    Trump is giving lip service to criminal justice reform and as witnessed by his cabinet he has given prominent roles to people of color. Biden essentially insulted blacks and latinos. Trump points to higher employments rates for minorities in his term. You tell me, I think some of the vote is up for grabs between Biden being who he is and saying what he has said, watching cities burn and in general most of your black and hispanic people are actually very traditional it strikes me Biden gets fewer black than in 2016, how many less remains to be seen.

  121. Fast Eddie says:

    Kimberly Klacik is what AOC would be if she had logic and common sense.

  122. leftwing says:

    …..And a nice caboose

  123. leftwing says:

    Lurks, lol, with you brother.

  124. TuesdayDepressingBet says:

    Homeboken,

    You got to be kidding regarding the OZ. Read the Florida papers, Tim Scott’s friends are the ones getting it, and the developments are all in upper class/well off areas.

    This is like NB Mayor/State Senator Sacco getting UEZ for the area development in northern Tonnelle Avenue, now owned by a REIT, specifically the property owned by APA Trucking (Imperatore aka the only non-unionize trucking in NJ until the Feds took over the Teamsters in NJ).

    That UEZ made the value of the property go up, same applies for the OZ. It has nothing to do with helping “a brother”. I would expect nothing less, coming from Scott a giant in the field of Medicare and Insurance just a 0.1 cm away from fraud.

    To all of you sniping partisans. Please realize that in this blog are many experts in the dark arts. So we can smell it a mile away, frankly homeboken https://youtu.be/LQCU36pkH7c

  125. Libturd says:

    I didn’t research it to need to know it was BS, TDB. As much of the partisan sh1t here is. Same with school choice. The Red team is all about not funding public schools and calling it choice. We are not THAT stupid. We are the ones who know how to pronounce Thailand.

  126. Libturd says:

    Two different parties, same corrupt sh1t. Both enriching their friends and contributors.

  127. Phoenix says:

    Left-wing,
    And all along I thought it was Janie’s got a gun.
    Guess it’s now Karen’s got a gun.
    Better give her more cheese 🧀 or else.

  128. Juice Box says:

    Turd – most of the parents I know sending their kids to charters in Hoboken are hard left and I mean barking mad left, so much so they don’t give a damm what anybody thinks and write all kinds of nastiness on Facebook. One I know ran for BOE was soundly defeated by the machine.

    We don’t need to defund schools by me. The under-performing schools in the cities is a different issue, the decades have passed with no improvement and untold amounts of money wasted. Home rule needs to go and regional districts need to be created already and well busing too. Little Karen and Little Tony out on the bus and little Shinice and little DeShawn in on the bus, all chose by lottery of course. Oh and the teachers get rotated around the region too so they don’t all pool up in the “better” schools.

    Never happen with home rule, instead of improving the schools and the lives of the children, well we ain’t doing that.

  129. ExEssex says:

    tRuMp hAd a mInI-sTrOke

  130. Juice Box says:

    Grim -They should have waited. Fed is about to spray money like a crop duster on all local governments via the Municipal Liquidity Facility.

  131. Juice Box says:

    Only reason I say it is because they did not fire the real waste. They fired mechanics? That is crazy…just like an airplane folks…

  132. Fabius Maximus says:

    So AOC should run under the GOP umbrella. That’s funny. The problem that lady from Baltimore will face is comments like this. They like Cory in Baltimore.

    https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1300622368918982664

    That whole Fox interview was a train wreck. Choke holds to choking on the Golf course. WTF!

  133. Fabius Maximus says:

    So we started with the Right Wing, hiding under the shadow of the left in these protests. Umbrella man smashing windows with a hammer. The Booga boys looking to start CW2/

    What you are now seeing is a morphing. The right are now coming out of the shadows and are now starting to fight the left. They are the ones bringing arms to the protests. No-one on the left will arm up at the risk of the LEOs firing back at the crowd.

    The oath keepers are now saying their mission is not to have the LEOs uphold their oath, but for the Militias to be allowed to form and roam freely upholding justice.

    This kid is now the poster child. He was “justified” It was self defense. His legal defense fund is massive and he has Rudys lawyers representing him. The right are holding him up a beacon. That will work right up to the point they dont need him anymore and they will drop him like a stone.

    There is a reason this is in the Mid to North West and the deep south. That is where these RW wingnuts are most virulent.

    Donnie will keep fanning the flames as he knows this Law and Order message and general fear mongering shores up his base and works for the middle. Its Welfare Queens and Crack Addicts multiplied.

    Yes you are seeing a lot of open Trump support, it was always there, but now its OK for them to come out as full racist. They don’t have to hide it anymore. There is another side of this. I have a lot of friends that have voted GOP since they got the vote in the 80s and they are pulling the lever for Biden. The Biden GOP vote keeps growing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=124&v=EF4KcunfvCg

    I still give this a 60% chance we get a clean election, but I think that number is about to drop significantly.

  134. joyce says:

    “No-one on the left will arm up at the risk of the LEOs firing back at the crowd.”

    Didn’t the Rittenhouse shooting end with an exchange of gunfire before he walked to police?

  135. Juice Box says:

    Fab- look you have a gift horse…….Nate already has lost hope, better find a better data analyst.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/

  136. BRT says:

    This is a better move. Look, I get it. Some people are in a position where they themselves cannot be exposed or someone living with them cannot. But in any other profession, you would be told you aren’t getting paid if you don’t come in. There are a number of teachers out there that don’t want to come to work but still feel entitled to their salary.

    https://www.nj.com/education/2020/09/school-district-doubles-daily-pay-for-subs-after-denying-teachers-requests-to-work-remotely.html

    A school district in Atlantic County is more than doubling its substitute teacher pay rate to $225 per day after preventing staffers from instructing classes remotely due to family health concerns, according to the local teachers’ union.
    The K-12 Hammonton school district is offering a hybrid schedule, consisting of in-person instruction and remote learning, starting Sept. 8. Teachers already are on the job, having reported Monday for the first of five preparation days.
    While individual students will attend classes in person no more than 2 days per week, teachers are being required to instruct classes via recorded lessons and online assignments from the school buildings every day, including on Wednesdays when all classes will be virtual, said Hammonton Education Association president Anthony Angelozzi.
    Angelozzi said at least 20 teachers cited health concerns involving family members, in requesting scheduling accommodations, but that the district responded with a blanket denial on Aug. 28 — the same day that the district posted a revised job ad for substitute teachers at a rate of $225 per day for all and noted the coronavirus pandemic.
    The prior rate was $100 for those with a state teaching certificate, and $90 with a substitute teacher certificate.
    “It is a disgrace how staff members who requested remote teaching accommodations based on the health conditions of family members were led on for a month believing those accommodations would be granted, only to be denied days before the start of the school year,” Angelozzi said in a written statement he plans to read at Thursday’s school board meeting in Hammonton.
    “Now, those staff members are scrambling to make the choice to go to work and risk the harm of a family member or take a federal leave that could possibly create a financial hardship and leave students without a teacher. The district solved its staff shortage issue by denying employees with vulnerable family members and increasing substitute teacher pay to $225/day,” Angelozzi said in the statement, which he shared Tuesday with NJ Advance Media.
    Hammonton Schools Superintendent and Sam Mento, president of the Hammonton school board, did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
    A spokesperson for the New Jersey Schools Boards Association said her organization does not have statewide data on substitute teacher pay rates.
    “We have been hearing, anecdotally, that districts are having a hard time finding substitute teachers, although we don’t have direct knowledge of what districts are offering to pay substitutes this year,” the spokesperson, Janet Bamford, said on Tuesday.
    A recent report from the EdWeek Research Center found that, prior to the pandemic, U.S. schools were filling just 54 percent of the approximately 250,000 teacher absences per day — and that 12 percent of teachers say the pandemic may prompt them to leave. It recommended raising substitute teacher pay and providing professional development opportunities, such as alternative credentialing programs for substitutes seeking to move up to a full-time teaching job.
    In Morris County, the Morris School District is offering long-term substitute teachers, or those working at least 10 days, the same $195 per day as before the pandemic, said district spokeswoman Jennifer van Frank. A statement on the district’s website reads, “There are significant obstacles to fully staffing our buildings, and we are in need of multiple long-term substitute teachers.”
    As of Monday morning, while more than 190 school districts across the state have indicated they want to begin the 2020-2021 school year with all-remote learning, the rest either plan to fully reopen or start the school year, like Hammonton, with a hybrid mix of in-person and remote learning.
    Hammonton is among the districts requiring teachers to report to school building even when students are learning from home.
    Angelozzi is a 10th grade history teacher and in his second year as the local union’s president.
    In questioning the decision to reopen the buildings, Angelozzi said the district has agreed to pay bus drivers overtime to clean school buildings due to not having enough custodians, and that the air filters are below the recommended MERV 13 level.
    “District officials have expressed in meetings that it will be a matter of days or weeks before we have positive Covid tests in the school district and have to shut down. In the meantime, staff members and students will stress about their safety and wellbeing while in school buildings,” he wrote in his prepared statement to the school board.
    Angelozzi said some teachers are planning to attend the school board meeting on Thursday to discuss their concerns.

  137. grim says:

    Just offer the subs permanent jobs as teachers.

  138. A Home Buyer says:

    Joyce,

    No, it did not.

    The last individual, who received the nickname bye-ceps because of his arm injury, pulled a pistol, charged the suspect, pretended to surrender, charged again and was shot before running away.

    He never fired though and was the only other individual with a gun that opposed Rittenhouse that can be identified.

    There was gun fire by “others” in the area of Rittenhouse before the first conflict between himself and the first deceased (who was chasing him from what video shows and first have account says he grappled for the gun). That shot may have been an integral component to why his chaser and Rittenhouse engaged the way they did and elevated the stakes. That individual has not been identified yet.

    The videos also seen to indicate gunfire elsewhere in the distance during the time Rittenhouse kept trying to run and evade.

    The shooting in Portland however, that was by an alleged Antifa member against a Patriots prayer member / supporter but details are less known at this point.

  139. chicagofinance says:

    Here is the swing voter and her man with the cheese……..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VXZ8RfeHe0

    Phoenix says:
    September 1, 2020 at 11:15 am
    “suburban middle-aged woman?”

    Here is your swing voter.

    Maybe the candidate who will give her “more cheese” will win.

    https://youtu.be/ukqLXMWLcoA?t=9

  140. Fabius Maximus says:

    Joyce,

    I went through most of AHBs video. The last guy that was shot in the elbow pointed a Handgun at Rittenhouse. HE did not fire. There were other gunshots in the area, but there is no indication that any were directed at Rittenhouse .

    That law guy is being slightly selective. This will probably hinge on what happened before between the kid and the first guy. Why was the first guy tracking him down.

    There are other parts of the statute that are more relevent.

    (2) Provocation affects the privilege of self-defense as follows:
    939.48(2)(a)(a) A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack, except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. In such a case, the person engaging in the unlawful conduct is privileged to act in self-defense, but the person is not privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person’s assailant unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant.

    (3) The privilege of self-defense extends not only to the intentional infliction of harm upon a real or apparent wrongdoer, but also to the unintended infliction of harm upon a 3rd person, except that if the unintended infliction of harm amounts to the crime of first-degree or 2nd-degree reckless homicide, homicide by negligent handling of dangerous weapon, explosives or fire, first-degree or 2nd-degree reckless injury or injury by negligent handling of dangerous weapon, explosives or fire, the actor is liable for whichever one of those crimes is committed.

    I assume there will be more charges coming. The high priced lawyers might get him off, but this is not open and shut.

    Its funny that people in here saying that these rioters deserve what they get by being there in the first place. Do that not then imply that Rittenhouse is responsible for his actions as well.

  141. Fabius Maximus says:

    Juice,

    Nate is still trying to recover from his 2016 calls.

  142. Fabius Maximus says:

    AHB

    With the Portland incident, don’t rule out Friendly Fire!

  143. BRT says:

    This is the best video showing close ups, slow motion, and focusing in on details. Probably the best analysis I’ve seen and best part is, not some stupid guy talking about what’s happening. It’s all video from angles, slow mo, close ups, and highlighting.

    It points out a lot of details you wouldn’t normally catch.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t_sThVYAQA&feature=emb_title&bpctr=1599011338

  144. Fabius Maximus says:

    Donnies

    The best response I found to Donnies re-up of a conspiracy theory of the flight full of people in dark clothing. Antifaonaplane

    https://twitter.com/CarlMDontCare/status/1300917985461374977

  145. A Home Buyer says:

    Fab,

    I’m pretty sure that you and I would not be able to agree on the color of the sky, eventually arguing over its specific shade. (specifically over firearms I’m pretty sure we would be fairly in alignment on a lot of rather issues)

    With that said and hoping to keep the civil, other footage of Kyle throughout the night suggests that he was there tending first aid to injured protesters.

    While also not confirmed, what was supposed to have led up to this incident was Kyle bringing a fire extinguisher to another gentleman who extinguished a flaming dumpster who the protesters ignited and we’re moving towards some unspecified location. Reportedly towards a police area.

    This is all highly speculative and has not been confirmed, however there was video of Kyle running with what appears to be a fire extinguisher for a brief second in and out of frame along with him talking pre-shooting now what was going on that night supporting this narrative.

    The deceased, their past and their actions that night also tend to suggest that they were looking for a fight, at times getting into shoving matches with some of the armed counter protesters and telling them to “shoot him”. There is video of that.

    I shouldn’t have to say that that doesn’t justify anything, driving the prosecution has really got their hands full on proving anything in this case.

  146. joyce says:

    Forgive me for not being more specific, I was really only referring to the shots that sounded like they were very nearby at the end… sounded like two people shooting at something or each other and not an exchange between Rittenhouse and another person at point blank range.
    0:27 – 0:33 in this video
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iryQSpxSlrg

    It was in response to the erroneous comment by Fabius.

  147. joyce says:

    Fabius

    The last guy that was shot in the elbow pointed a Handgun at Rittenhouse. HE did not fire.

    Was this person a right or left winger?

    There were other gunshots in the area…

    From whom, the right or the left?

    Its funny that people in here saying that these rioters deserve what they get by being there in the first place. Do that not then imply that Rittenhouse is responsible for his actions as well.

    Who said that?

  148. Fabius Maximus says:

    AHB,

    Defense will have a heavy lift as well, but the big dog legal defence is coming to town.

    You do make an interesting note. If the first guy was up in the face of armed counter protesters earlier and they didn’t shot him, the self defense bar goes higher. What happened before will be a big part of this. Followed by why did he run away from the first scene and not just put it down and tend first aid to the guy he just shot.

    Its a tragic situation all around. This kid just ruined his life regardless of the legal outcome. We also have the mother that drove him and I assume drove him home and whoever gave him the gun if it wasn’t his.

    This is going to be a long drawn out case and it will be a media circus as usual.

  149. Fabius Maximus says:

    Joyce

    Left or right is unknown at this point.

    As to the last point, 3b made it earlier today.

    “They choose to engage in violence. Blaming someone else is a cop out. And if that’s how you feel than none of us are responsible for anything, it’s someone else’s fault. Or is it some violence is ok and some is not, depending on what side is committing it?”

    Rittenhouse chose to go armed and used deadly force. Is it self defense or justified. I’m letting the courts decide. But the point still stands.

  150. joyce says:

    You seem less confident now than a few hours ago. What changed?

    Fabius Maximus says:
    September 1, 2020 at 7:40 pm

    No-one on the left will arm up at the risk of the LEOs firing back at the crowd.

  151. joyce says:

    I’ll rephrase. Who said this?

    Its funny that people in here saying that these rioters deserve what they get by being there in the first place.

  152. Chicago says:

    The key to 2020 & 270 electoral votes.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dls75wfDXSc

  153. JCer says:

    Fab, not so sure you are right the defense seems pretty easy, he was fleeing an angry mob, shots were fired things were thrown at him…..

    You are not getting a murder conviction in light of the facts, no honest court could convict. There is no premeditation, given the circumstance manslaughter is as severe as it will get. The last person shot had a fire arm, the second guy was assaulting him and the first guy was chasing him. Remember the prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, the defense only need to introduce doubt. As our legal system is designed a conviction should be more difficult to get than an acquittal. Given the case and evidence you will not get a jury to agree to convict for murder.

  154. JCer says:

    Joyce, I’d make the statement that chasing an armed assailant and attacking them is not bright idea and usually ends in someone getting shot. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

  155. ExEssex says:

    A new tax on millionaires, a 22.5% gas tax hike (bringing the total increase to 250% in 4 years), and now a tax on high frequency trades: it is becoming obvious to most – except perhaps the state’s democratic leadership – that New Jersey is now actively trying to drive out its tax-paying population and top businesses with a series of draconian measures to balance its deeply underwater budget, instead of slashing spending.
    The state-imposed limitations on commerce, mobility and socialization due to the covid pandemic have also not helped.
    And in case it is still unclear, the trend of New Jersey’s ultra wealthy residents fleeing for more hospitable tax domiciles which started with David Tepper years ago, is now spreading to members of the middle class.

  156. Fast Eddie says:

    On Tuesday, data from IHS Markit and the Institute for Supply Management (ISM) both showed the sharp rebound in the U.S. manufacturing sector continued in August.

    In August, the ISM’s purchasing managers’ index (PMI) stood at 56, a level indicating expansion in activity within the manufacturing sector and the third straight month of a reading above 50.

    Another win for Trump.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/manufacturing-ism-pmi-v-shape-recovery-morning-brief-101337148.html

  157. homeboken says:

    A maskless Speaker Pelosi was recory in a CA salon getting services.

    Her office released a comment to paraphrase -speaker Pelosi did go to the hair salon but was not aware that she was violating any local orders.

    The woman that is literally in charge of our national laws said that.

    This is the kind of hypocrisy that drives people towards Trump. It seems like a small thing but crap like this ends up doing damage to the perpetrator.

  158. Nomad says:

    Wolf has some good data on rent trends around the country. Reported in other places NYC movers so busy they can’t take on more customers.

    https://wolfstreet.com/2020/09/01/rents-plunge-in-san-francisco-new-york-other-expensive-cities-college-towns-texas-oil-patch-also-hit-incentives-surge-but-in-18-cities-double-digit-rent-increases/

  159. joyce says:

    Ok…?

    I agree with that statement.

    JCer says:
    September 2, 2020 at 12:32 am
    Joyce, I’d make the statement that chasing an armed assailant and attacking them is not bright idea and usually ends in someone getting shot. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

  160. AP says:

    Woke up thinking of this one for some reason..

    “Hurts my ears to listen
    Burns my eyes to see
    Cut down a man in cold blood, Shannon
    Might as well be me…”

    https://youtu.be/HRuaRcqvnzc

  161. Juice Box says:

    Never let a crisis go to waste.

    The high frequency trading tax has to be something Gov Murphy’s buddies are looking to capitalize on. HFT traders are the market makers today, an HFT tax would make it no longer profitable and would move that power back to the investment banks.

    As if data centers cannot be moved as well, it isn’t too much work to bring it back to NYC or anywhere actually.

  162. Juice Box says:

    From the Pelosi story, the quotes from the eSalon owner about San Francisco. I know that neighborhood pretty well Pacific Heights lots of money. Seems everyone is leaving town.

    “No one can last anymore,” she said. “I have also lost 60 percent of my clientele because everyone is fleeing the city.”

    Kious said that the area where her salon is located has turned into “a third world country,” saying that “every other storefront is completely vacant and shut down and boarded up.”

    “And because of the shutdown, and the store closures, we’ve lost people, my clients, and my employees, and that is due to the politics in San Francisco,” she said, adding that the homeless population is “everywhere” and “defecating” all over the city.

    “It has gotten so extreme,” she said. “It is so night and day from what it was a year ago, that everyone is fleeing.”

  163. Juice Box says:

    Polls and more damm polls, they all are wrong like 2016?

    New national Atlas Intel poll revealed that a stunning 28 per cent of black Americans plan on voting for President Donald Trump.

    https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers

  164. homeboken says:

    This one if for Phoenix –

    There is a new richest woman in the world. Her name is Mackenzie Scott.

    What did she do to become the richest woman in the world? She divorced the richest man in the world. I;m sure getting such a huge equity stake in AMZN was totally justified, I am sure she did so much to earn the $60+ billion.

    Nice job Mackenzie.

  165. homeboken says:

    Juice –

    RealClearPolitics Poll of Average “Betting Markets” (real $ wagrers on election outcome)

    Trump 49.7%
    Biden 49.8%

    Trump recent surged buoyed on the rise in black Americans that plan on voting for Trump at 28%.

  166. Juice Box says:

    It’s all lies Homeboken the polls and wager spreads all lie. Drumpf cannot beat sleeping Joe.

    I actually believe Biden should go back and select a different VP candidate. There were several other women that might have moved the polls and wager spreads in his favor.

    It’s not too late…

  167. Juice Box says:

    Fab must have never heard of the John Brown Gun Club, the white supremacy fighters, they are armed, heavily armed.

  168. Libturd says:

    Home…and Leicester won the PL a few years ago by a mile. Never trust the betters. It’s all in their hearts, not in their brains.

  169. Juice Box says:

    Leadership? Now? We cannot have freeking leadership now!

    CDC blocks ALL evictions nationwide until the end of the year: Government’s sweeping order to stop the spread of COVID will protect 43 million renters”

    “Millions of renters will be able to stay in their homes under new order
    Applies to those who do not expect to earn more than $99,000 this year
    Renters must file declarations warning eviction would leave them homeless
    Renters will still owe accrued rent and the order does not prevent the ‘charging or collecting of fees “

  170. Libturd says:

    The JBGC are fine. They are much more like the Hell’s Angels than the stupid Proud Boys. JBGC are not looking for a fight. There is a big difference there. The Proud Boys have simply watched a little too much Jerry Springer.

  171. Libturd says:

    Come January 1st, I’m raising my rent by 4.25%. It’s what Montclair told me to raise it by due to their new rent control ordinance. I will raise it 4.25% a year until the ordinance is removed.

  172. JUice Box says:

    Gotta wonder whats next. CDC blocks all layoffs do to Covid-19?

  173. Chicago says:

    AAPL market cap rose above the value value of the entire Russell 2000.

  174. Juice Box says:

    1.9 billion iphones out there collecting a vig on every app and purchase.

    Wonder what happens when people figure out there are cheaper options?

  175. 3b says:

    Juice: Biden should have picked Warren. She was by far the better choice whether or not one agrees with her politics. It would have energized the young voters, and scared the crap out of the bought and paid for special interest groups.

  176. Libturd says:

    Speaking of endless taxes. You will all notice a new charge when you renew your registrations by credit card. They are now charging a surcharge which they did not before. Gas tax goes up at the end of the month. Sept. 13th, GSP tolls go from $1.50 to $1.90. Turnpike is going up at a steeper rate.

    Of course, let’s not forget the 4 billion in borrowing that will probably cost us 10 billion to pay back.

    This state is so fukced.

  177. homeboken says:

    Lib – That was a fun year for EPL. I agree with you, bettors are generally not using their brains more than emotions. But it is a data point that someone is risking their money on such a wager.

    On the soccer front – my son’s team has been back in action since July, slow phase in but they were able to play their first and second tournaments the last few weeks. It’s just nice to see some kids back out on the fields.

    I do feel terrible for the hockey kids. I guess it’s just the fact that the rink is indoors that is causing the lag in full return to play? Was going to have my oldest start up this year but I can’t see making the investment (time and $) until things open up a bit more.

  178. Juice Box says:

    Covid-19 vaccine plan is out. 4 phases.

    Looks like the homeless and the prisoners will get vaccinated it before the children.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/01/health/coronavirus-vaccine-allocation-nas/index.html

  179. 3b says:

    Lib: I thought it was 10 billion in borrowing?

  180. Fast Eddie says:

    Gas tax, NJT and GS Parkway increases, $4 billion borrowed… all at the bloodied hands of yet another useless democrat.

  181. D-FENS says:

    Joe Biden didn’t pick anybody. Kamala’s campaign is loaded with former Clinton people. This is Hillary’s second shot at the white house.

    3b says:
    September 2, 2020 at 9:07 am
    Juice: Biden should have picked Warren. She was by far the better choice whether or not one agrees with her politics. It would have energized the young voters, and scared the crap out of the bought and paid for special interest groups.

  182. D-FENS says:

    That’s what the law called for. The supreme court made the treasury prove there were revenue shortages due to coronavirus and only allowed them to borrow the amount of the shortage.

    3b says:
    September 2, 2020 at 9:28 am
    Lib: I thought it was 10 billion in borrowing?

  183. Libturd says:

    The hockey thing makes no sense and that’s not my bias talking. The kids are wearing what is the near equivalent of space suits. All rinks have decent air exchangers (can’t say the same for restaurants or movie theaters as they need to exhaust the Zamboni discharge, most, which are NG. Most rinks would provide 7 feet of separation for 50 people if they were simply standing in a circle around the rink boards. Of course, many rinks have stadium seating making spectating even more possible. Rules say, no parents allowed in. The rules are no scientific whatsoever. They are sitting 10 kids for half the game in a locker room, without the air exchange and where they can’t even watch half the game. Yet, a movie theater can open, (most likely) with a snack bar that will promote the removal of masks.

    The truth is, the only places that are opening are the ones with the strongest lobbies. What a surprise.

  184. BRT says:

    Lib, no set of rules or safety guidelines has made sense since March.

  185. Libturd says:

    Thanks D. Exactly. May only have to borrow 4 billion. Still waiting for the tax and spender to make a single full liability payment as he promised.

    As for the Harris pick, I said the DNC looked at the polls and thought they had enough room to give up some margin by putting another DNC ass kisser in. Harris was, by far, the most DNC gravy train supporting candidate available without asking Howard Dean to have a sex change and run.

  186. Libturd says:

    And using the polls as a data point. That’s fine. But give it a few weeks for the RNC convention bump to wear off. That’s a data point too.

    Still 100% confident that the Trump haters will outnumber the new supporters at a huge margin.

    Keep in mind, as ballots begin being mailed, the narrative strongly shifts to lying about momentum and deceptive datapoints. The goal of the right is to make it less likely for a swing voter to pull for Biden. If they claim Trump is going to win, that swing voter may just stay home. Oldest play in the playbook. I expect more BS (like the fake black vote polls) than ever before.

  187. Chicago says:

    The first true viral video that Took someone out. It was a short time later that you tube made it easy and secure to grab content.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RwkNnMrsx7Q

  188. Phoenix says:

    Homeboken,
    She was a lady. She accepted less than half without an argument.

    “This one if for Phoenix –

    There is a new richest woman in the world. Her name is Mackenzie Scott.

    What did she do to become the richest woman in the world? She divorced the richest man in the world. I;m sure getting such a huge equity stake in AMZN was totally justified, I am sure she did so much to earn the $60+ billion.

    Nice job Mackenzie.”

  189. Phoenix says:

    “Harris was, by far, the most DNC gravy train supporting candidate available without asking Howard Dean to have a sex change and run.”

    Now that’s funny.

  190. Phoenixs says:

    Real reason Huawei phones are practically banned in the USA.
    Same with TikTok. Don’t mess with the mob.

    “1.9 billion iphones out there collecting a vig on every app and purchase.

    Wonder what happens when people figure out there are cheaper options?”

  191. ExEssex says:

    I gotta admit I’m bored with the vitriol and division.

  192. Juice Box says:

    In this episode of “Will it sell”, we have the new listing of of a spacious 2 BR condo in downtown Portland Oregon, last sold for $840,000 in 2017.

    Close to all the nightlife action with nightly fireworks shows and street performers.

    Asking price is $999,000

    Will it sell?

    https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/09/portland-mayor-says-hell-move-after-protest-outside-his-condo-building-draws-arrests-widespread-calls-for-change.html?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=oregonian_sf&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

  193. 3b says:

    Defens: Thanks. I missed that.

  194. Juice Box says:

    re: ” bored”

    Tweet out your address that there will be a live performative activism there to the locals. Should make for a fun evening.

    https://twitter.com/hashTag/laprotests?f=live

  195. 3b says:

    And yes the 4 billion will probably cost 10 billion to pay it back. But hey we are NJ, chock full of smart highly educated sophisticated and savvy residents. We are the best of the best! Everyone and every state should seek to emulate us.

  196. Juice Box says:

    Borrowing payments today in the NJ budget is only 4 Billion annually. We can get that with a new HFT Tax no worries it’s for the children.

  197. Libturd says:

    I’ve replaced most of my Amazon purchasing with Alli Express. It’s all made in China anyway. Might as well knock out the middleman.

    Pretty much everything you buy that contains either metal or plastic can be had on Alli for about half to 2/3rds of what it is on Amazon. The more popular the product, the cheaper you will find it as more Chinese factories are making it. And the more you buy from them, the more coupons they offer.

  198. Libturd says:

    A perfect example is that I needed a replacement battery for an old laptop. Amazon had it for $125 making it not worth it. Alli had it for $27. Just be prepared to wait nearly three weeks for it to arrive (sometimes longer).

  199. Juice Box says:

    I am still waiting for a Wish order from May, delivery date was supposed to be June 20th. Tracking says Sept 8th now. I would say it isn’t coming and I want my $10 back but hey I have to wait and see.

  200. ExEssex says:

    Progressives “green new deal” crowd gets incumbent 74 year-old over a young Kennedy spawn.

  201. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Nomad,

    From you article. Is it no coincidence that rent peaked in 2015? Guess what age the oldest millennials were turning in 2015…that’s right 35. They were starting to get married, have kids, and move away from renting to owning. If only they listened to pumps..

    Just remember, just like they drove up rents in cities, they will now drive up the single family housing market like lemmings.

    “In San Francisco, the median asking rent for 2-bedroom apartments dropped 3.3% in August from July, to $4,070, bringing the decline since May to 8% and the 12-month decline to 15%. Since the peak in October 2015, the median asking rent for 2-BR apartments has now dropped 18.6%.

    Peak-rent in San Francisco occurred in October 2015. Rents then dropped by about 10% over the next 18 months or so before the “Trump bump” fired up the whole situation again, and rents rose. 1-BR rents touched their October 2015 peak in June last year, but 2-BR rents never got close. That “Trump bump” has now been unwound two-fold.

    Despite the 20% drop since peak, San Francisco remains the most expensive city to rent in, among the largest 100 rental markets in the US, according to Zumper’s data. However, rents in the most expensive zip codes in Manhattan and Los Angeles exceed the rents in San Francisco’s most expensive zip code.“

  202. The Great Pumpkin says:

    People like you have destroyed a lot of jobs in America with your obsession with cheap over quality and American jobs. Thanks! 👍🏻

    Libturd says:
    September 2, 2020 at 10:33 am
    I’ve replaced most of my Amazon purchasing with Alli Express. It’s all made in China anyway. Might as well knock out the middleman.

    Pretty much everything you buy that contains either metal or plastic can be had on Alli for about half to 2/3rds of what it is on Amazon. The more popular the product, the cheaper you will find it as more Chinese factories are making it. And the more you buy from them, the more coupons they offer.

  203. The Great Pumpkin says:

    On the tax discussion.

    It’s just like Lib, most want something for nothing, too bad it don’t work like that. If the people making the most money don’t pay up, who will? The guy already living in debt, getting by paycheck to paycheck, is going pay higher taxes to pay off what it costs to run this country? It has to come from somewhere, either corporations or the people becoming billionaires off the backs of said corporations. No other way.

    It’s either that, or cut off the military completely. Let those corporations and billionaires protect their wealth and position without the help of the U.S. taxpayer.

  204. Libturd says:

    The Wayne Preschool janitor is back. Catch ya guys later.

  205. Juice Box says:

    Essex – nobody likes gingers.

  206. Fat Fast Eddie says:

    (Reuters) – U.S. President Donald Trump has overtaken Democratic rival Joe Biden to stand as the favorite to win the 2020 U.S. Presidential election on Europe-based betting exchange Betfair, the exchange said on Wednesday.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-overtakes-biden-favorite-win-103801132.html

  207. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Aww, my lil baby lib. Thought you had thick skin.

  208. Libturd, exhibiting downward pressure, like with a plunger says:

    Go choke on a urinal puck.

  209. Juice Box says:

    fight, fight, fight!

  210. ExEssex says:

    I just wanna say wfh is the bomb. I’m now 100%.

  211. 3b says:

    Ex: It’s not even a discussion anymore at my company as to when we are going back, or in what fashion. Only thing we do know definitely is that our already WFH days are being expanded.

  212. Libkin says:

    See? You all should have listened to me. I told you all WFH would become the standard. While you’re at it, might I remind you that the pancake batter in a can phenomenon is just around the corner. You’ll see. We just need China to create a disease that strikes cereal, sausage and Pop-Tarts.

  213. The Great Pumpkin says:

    WFH is the standard? It’s being expanded? Lmao…

  214. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Lib,

    What about PLUG? Admit your head was in your a$$ on that one.

  215. The Great Pumpkin says:

    If the virus is to blame for people leaving the city, how come rent peaked 5 years ago? Why did nyc sales price peak in 2017?

    Millennials are the biggest buying bloc in America. They are like the boomers, and they will be drive pricing as the boomers once did.

    Look at the boomers….they drove up suburban housing from 1980’s to their peak buying years in early 2000’s. They then abandoned the big houses and either moved back to the city or built their new dream home in some cheap retirement location. No wonder cities and cheap locations were the biggest beneficiaries of real estate appreciation during this period. ESP cities, they had the two largest demographic groups (millennials and boomers) supporting pricing in places with “walkable” locations.

    Now millennials are in control of the market. They are the biggest bloc and will dictate what goes up in the housing market based on their spending patterns. They all want the American Dream, a home with a backyard for their family to grow in.

  216. Fat Fast Eddie says:

    Dr. Anthony Fauci predicts that a coronavirus vaccine will be developed by the end of 2020.

    “I believe that by the time we get to the end of this calendar year that we will feel comfortable that we do have a safe and effective vaccine,” Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said on NBC’s “TODAY” on Wednesday.

    He added that in a number of vaccine trials, there is “enough data that you would really feel comfortable it was safe and effective for the American public.”

    https://news.yahoo.com/fauci-predicts-safe-effective-coronavirus-125200399.html

    The support, teamwork, professionalism and efficiency this administration illustrated in going from a total unknown to a vaccine is absolutely unprecedented! You have a previous administration arguing over the correct bathroom to use compared to a historical medical advancement in record time! Truly astonishing.

  217. Libtard says:

    Every tech name is doing what Plug Power did. I’ve had more two and three baggers in the last three months then I’ve had in the 40 years of my trading. With that said, it is why I am now only about 1/4 at risk in my stock market investments which have now surpassed my real estate investments in value. We all don’t need to be reminded of what happens to pigs. Or is it different this time?

  218. Juice Box says:

    Eddie – Fauci has been trying to develop an AIDS vaccine for 35 years. No luck. Cold virus (which is a corona virus) no luck. Line up every year for a vaccine that may only be 50 effective? Might be better off taking supplements, keeping weight down, cut off the crap food etc.

    Grim pointed out reinfection is happening, so the jury is still out on immunity overall, different strains have been developing continuously.

    https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global

    We should have much better treatment as well, that is where the money is going anyway not in vaccines except for this one that is.

  219. Juice Box says:

    Anecdotal – A friends son out on Long Island got covid-19. He is late 20s and in excellent heath, does marathons etc. He had a stroke.

    Docs are recommending surgery for a brain aneurysm now. He is getting every test under the sun to see if it was actually Covid that caused it or not, before deciding on surgery.

    Stay away, wash hands and wear a damm mask please.

  220. Libturd says:

    “Stay away, wash hands and wear a damm mask please.”

    Exactly. It’s really that simple.

  221. joyce says:

    And do not put sick people into Nursing homes.

  222. Libturd says:

    That helps too. :P

  223. 1987 condo says:

    In other news I picked up my 2021 Crosstrek with bigger engine. Smooth.

  224. 3b says:

    Juice: I read that it is a mistake people make, in not getting the flu shot, as you can get the shot and still get the flu. But if you get the shot and still get the flu it’s not as severe as not getting the shot and getting the flu, if that makes sense.

  225. ExEssex says:

    WFH is so much easier.

  226. ExEssex says:

    Just Picked up a large sized Aeron chair….
    Feels just like I’m back in Silicon Alley.

  227. 3b says:

    Ex Essex It certainly is, and so much more civilized and productive.

  228. SomeOne says:

    Essex, if you don’t mind sharing… where did you get it, and roughly how much?

  229. JCer says:

    Juice scary stuff indeed. It is interesting how COVID seems to effect people so differently, for some it is very serious and for others it is relatively minor. It ripped through my office in Feb/March, some folks(older) died, others were really sick, and others did not really get sick yet have the antibodies.

    We already know coronavirus vaccines are tough we may get something that works for the current strain but it is always a mutation away from being a problem. You can ask veterinarians about it, there are more than a few lethal coronaviruses that animals can get. In poultry IBV has been a costly problem, there are vaccines and they really don’t work that great. Therapeutics are needed in addition to the vaccines. Indomethacin requires more investigation, perhaps if we can nebulize remdesivir and give it early we can reduce complications close to zero. Unless the disease can be eradicated with a vaccine it will keep rearing it’s ugly head.

  230. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Over time, this isn’t much of a concert. Evolution requires viral attenuation to the downside so the virus has more chance to spread. Viruses in general always become less deadly as they mutate. Those that die are gone and those that fought it off easily usually have an easier time fighting off secondary and tertiary infections.

  231. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Ahh, that’s why people don’t want their kids learning from home. It’s so much better, right? Yet, they want in person learning and socialization. Apply the same idea to a business. That business is your child, do you really trust it in the hands that only know each other through zoom? I sure as hell would’t trust my business to that.

    3b says:
    September 2, 2020 at 2:24 pm
    Ex Essex It certainly is, and so much more civilized and productive.

  232. Libturd says:

    I can second what BRT said. I know a dude who was in prison and claims to gave gotten it three times. He said the third time it was a cold. He did say it may have never fully healed between exposures. I didn’t go into detail how he knew he was exposed, since it would break the bro code.

  233. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Business is about trying to be on the advantage side. How does a company grow in the wfh environment in direct competition with a business that provides an optimum collaborative environment? How? They are going to get killed. Business is about advantages, and if your competition goes to WFH, they are dead meat when it comes to competing with businesses that are not.

    If you don’t agree, look at it like this. Princeton and Harvard take different approaches. One provides remote learning and the other the traditional. In the long term, which students will be more productive and why?

  234. ExEssex says:

    2:31 Design Within Reach has an outlet store here. I got this one for $400.
    It doesn’t have arms which is better for me.

  235. Juice Box says:

    Humm

    “Mount Sinai identifies drugs that could prevent COVID-19 replication”

    1st one is a common blood pressure drug. – amlodipine
    2nd one is -loperamide aka OTC Imodium AD
    3rd one Terfenadine is an antihistamine now off the market
    4th one Berbamine is a natural herb from from traditional Chinese medicine

    “In a preprint paper posted to BioRxiv, the researchers explored viral sequences using PCR analysis, RNA sequencing, and bioinformatics. They identified four compounds that could block replication of the novel coronavirus, namely amlodipine, loperamide, terfenadine, and berbamine.”

    https://www.modernhealthcare.com/supply-chain/mount-sinai-identifies-drugs-could-prevent-covid-19-replication

  236. 3b says:

    WFH is here to stay!
    WFH is here to stay!

    Say it loud and say it proud!
    Say it loud and say it proud!

  237. Juice Box says:

    Essex – re: “It doesn’t have arms which is better for me”

    Too much secretary spread?

  238. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Moreover, kids could get covid 20 times over and never get sick. 10 years from now it will be another common cold. In the meantime, certain segments of the population are vulnerable.

    The immune system does forget over long periods of time which is why booster shots are given.

  239. Walking says:

    As companies go wfh, I have a feeling you will be able to pick up some nice furniture and enterprise printers on eBay for a few bucks.

  240. Hold my beer says:

    I got me an AKRacing Chair a few months ago from amazon. So comfortable

  241. JUice Box says:

    I bought my son one of those AKRacing chairs, maybe I should steal it from him and give him some milk crates to sit on.

  242. Bystander says:

    3b,

    In my Pjs, cranking some tunes, churning out emails..how does a company grow? It grows the bottom line, mf-er. None of that expensive Vornado real estate, baby. I would hate to be tied to that sinking ship.

  243. Hold my beer says:

    Juice

    It improves productivity. I Can sit in it for hours and not get muscle fatigue or backaches. We got one for my son 2 years ago and he practically lives in it and it still looks new.

  244. Juice Box says:

    Beer – Stop already, we all know we can be productive only if working in an office building.

  245. Walking says:

    I picked up some knoll life chairs from the family that does office cleanouts in fairfield nj. They are ok the seat base is made of thin plastic and one of them cracked from the kids messing around.

  246. Juice Box says:

    So here is the plan.

    Rent a truck and drive around buy up all of the Imodium AD from the stores and start selling it at a 1000% markup on e-bay as a cure for covid-19. Will sell with complimentary toilet paper too, as a bonus, so will need to round up all of the toilet paper too. I bet there are some hoarders out there looking to sell it on the cheap.

    Who is in I need some people to hit up pharmacies all over in ever state.

  247. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yea, that’s the type of employee I want to invest in. These companies are f’ed that fill their ranks with people that don’t have the ambition to get out of their PJ’s. WFH a really sucks the life out of you. All that energy is not there. And the employees with substance abuse problems are getting f’ed up beyond belief while they are supposed to be working. What can go wrong with WFH?! Lol

    “In my Pjs, cranking some tunes, churning out emails..how does a company grow?”

  248. Walking says:

    Juice I’m at the wayne uhual. Due to the amount of people leaving the state they don’t have any tricks for 3werks.

  249. 3b says:

    WFH It’s the way!
    WFH It’s way!

    Ain’t going back to the old days!
    Ain’t going back to the old days!

  250. Bystander says:

    It feels good to be a real man with some scruff, a hole in my favorite T, and being the main bread-winner. The family beta male sub would never understand. I bet his daughter makes more selling lemonade on the super highway. Just watch out for those cars flying onto lawn.

  251. Juice Box says:

    Walking – No trucks? Plan B then, just like the Westies in Hell’s Kitchen used to do, go fast car preferably a Monte Carlo SS, 4 AM drive it into the front windows, smash and grab the Imodium and TP, and gone in 60 seconds. Trunk on a SS can hold several bodies so plenty of space.

  252. Bystander says:

    Walking,

    Looking for Wayne tricks? I hear there is lonely married lady who might be looking for some ahem, extra in-cum.

  253. Hold my beer says:

    Question for the board. Would you rather

    A: have a tumor the size of a nickel cut out of your face by a doctor
    Or
    B: be trapped for a day in an elevator with the most annoying person you know?

    I’m going with choice A

  254. SomeOne says:

    Eddie,

    The support, teamwork, professionalism and efficiency this administration illustrated in going from a total unknown to a vaccine is absolutely unprecedented! You have a previous administration arguing over the correct bathroom to use compared to a historical medical advancement in record time! Truly astonishing.

    What was your opinion when Bin Laden was killed vs the “we will have vaccine soon, mission accomplished”?

  255. leftwing says:

    “The ranking looked at 39 statistics to give states a letter grade and a score out of 100. New Jersey earned a B-plus and a score of 87.3, earning high marks for the amount of money it spends per pupil…The Garden State expanded its razor-thin margin over Massachusetts, its nearest rival in the overall rankings, from a few hundredths of a point in 2019 to nearly a whole point this year. It maintained its 5.9-point advantage in school finance…”

    So because we tax our citizens to death to send buckets of dollars to be set aflame in urban school systems we are “best”?

    Embarrassing analysis of this sort is anywhere, let alone in an education magazine.

  256. Juice Box says:

    bucket loaders left wing. When weighed in $100 bills, a billion dollars weighs approximately 11 tons!

  257. Juice Box says:

    October Surprise!

    CDC documents say states should prepare to distribute Covid-19 vaccines as soon as late October

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/02/health/cdc-covid-19-vaccine-distribution/index.html

  258. Fast Eddie says:

    What was your opinion when Bin Laden was killed vs the “we will have vaccine soon, mission accomplished”?

    I’m glad he was whacked, that was my opinion. I felt even better when Hamza bin Laden, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, Abu Hassan al-Muhajir, Qasem Soleimani and Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis was greased under Trump!!

  259. 3b says:

    Bystander: it’s a beautiful thing, being able to comfortable all day, and still get to sleep an extra hour! Still logged on at 7:30 A. M. And then there are the glorious days when there are no meetings, no interruptions, and not listening to the idle chatter, and moaning or complaining. Then of course it’s nice to be able to use my own bathroom. I don’t have to be grossed out by the filthy pigs who don’t wash their hands or flush!

  260. ExEssex says:

    WFH rulezzz You have a DWR outlet in Paramus.
    I’d look there for office furniture. On an unrelated note:

    SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) – Police unions and other law enforcement organizations went into overdrive to thwart a measure that would have added California to the majority of states that can end the careers of officers with troubled histories. It failed as lawmakers scrambled to wrap up their work, and while the nation’s most populous state still has no way to permanently remove problematic officers, a number of other police reforms passed.

    With lobbyists and lawmakers mostly isolated by the coronavirus pandemic, it became a battle of phone calls, colorful graphics and Instagram posts from law enforcement organizations to counter celebrity tweets pushing lawmakers to rein in police brutality after the death of George Floyd last May in Minneapolis..

  261. ExEssex says:

    3:31 I like to sit and play guitar sometimes.
    The arms get in the way.

    Market was on fire today.

  262. ExEssex says:

    2:53 my first company sold computer gear and I was there for the forks growth from $7oom to $1.5b in sales….today they are a $37b company. ALL of that business conducted over the phone or computer.

  263. ExEssex says:

    Forks = firm’s

  264. grim says:

    CDC documents say states should prepare to distribute Covid-19 vaccines as soon as late October

    Given the fact I went through two screening calls or the Pfizer vax trial, was approved, and am still waiting for a call back to be admitted and stuck – my guess is that the current phase 3 trials are having zero problems finding 30k participants.

  265. Walking says:

    Juice, there was so much to loose in a monte carlo. Like ones virginity.

  266. Walking says:

    Bystander, very funny. Trick or treats in Wayne.

  267. Fabius Maximus says:

    Grim,

    So Donnie has pulled us out of WHO and therefore any access to any vaccine developed outside of the US.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccines-covax-exc/exclusive-vaccine-group-says-76-rich-countries-now-committed-to-covax-access-plan-idUSKBN25T39P

    So this leaves us with a US vaccine or (I suspect) a back door Russian variant. The CDC and the FDA are being railroaded to bypass normal controls to make a vaccine available by Nov 1st.

    This is pure politics. Donnie wants a vaccine available by Election Day. Doesn’t care if it works, or if it has side effects, as long as there is bread and circuses for the masses.

    If you are willing to stand first in line, good luck to you.

  268. Fabius Maximus says:

    I think I flagged this up in here back in 2015/16. This whole thing stinks.

    https://www.justsecurity.org/72262/the-trump-alfa-bank-server-mystery-resurfaces/

  269. grim says:

    Rushed? Coronavirus vaccine research has been taking place since SARS in 2002, so there was roughly 18 years of work done pre-pandemic in preparation for this. In fact, sars-cov and sars-cov-2 share the same ace2 binding approach, even though their spike proteins are slightly different. So, it’s safe to say, we would absolutely not be in the position we are today with regards to vaccine development if SARS-1 didn’t happen. SARS-1 and related research was a godsend.

    Even putting all the prior work that enabled this aside, the research being done into a sars-cov-2 vaccine will represent the single greatest investment into a single vaccine, and likely one of the greatest public health achievements in the history of mankind. Never in history, have so many of the worlds greatest minds, been working collectively towards the same goal. This is unprecedented. Worth also mentioning the last two decades of research, investment, and breakthroughs into new vaccine technologies, which again, were massive enablers. Hate to say, but the timing of sars-cov-2 was good. 25 years earlier and there would have been absolutely no hope for rapid vaccine development.

    Your position is absurd, tinfoil hat territory.

    Keep in mind that other than small pilot plant production, complete facilities need to be designed, built, and certified to produce these vaccines. Nobody is even close to be able to turn on the lights in a production facility. You can approve whatever you like right now, but it’s irrelevant. It was a project to produce enough vaccine to even run the trials, let alone create enough doses for anything meaningful. Nonsensical to even consider cutting phase 3 trials short if production capacity doesn’t yet exist. Also consider the supply chain challenges to even get to the point of running full production. Phase 3 trials are not the critical path. Yes, these facilities are currently being built, or existing production capacity is being retooled, which first requires shifting existing vaccine production elsewhere. None of this is easy, or fast. Even if you were to approve something, for purely symbolic reasons, trials would still continue, approval doesn’t mean research is stopping.

  270. Bystander says:

    On a lighter blog note, new Action Park documentary. What a trip down memory lane. Place was legendary in 70s and 80s. I remember tennis ball mini-tanks or something. What a time to be alive..or not.

    https://youtu.be/mqg48h_uKYM

  271. grim says:

    I feel like that’s an integral, formative part of what is NJ psyche and culture.

  272. grim says:

    The Rock’s entire family has the virus

    And why waste that amazing opportunity to not promote your Tequila brand to millions of people for free?

  273. ExEssex says:

    Hey you could get covid and hand out shots on the corner in Clifton and become a legend. That and the vaccine would guarantee you immunity.

  274. Juice Box says:

    trump must have seen the bloomberg paid for HBO promoted video calling his landslide win only to be erased by mail in ballots. Voting twice would surely screw up mail in ballots.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.axios.com/bloomberg-group-trump-election-night-scenarios-a554e8f5-9702-437e-ae75-d2be478d42bb.html

  275. homeboken says:

    Juice – Bill Barr gave a good interview with Wolf Blitzer, where he said the same thing. So this is clearly the GOP line of attack.

    Vote by mail, sure, just do it as early as possible.
    On election day, show up and vote in person. If the system is working, you shouldn’t be allowed to vote twice. But the voting rolls won’t be updated, we all know this, so it becomes “provisional”.

    The problem, states like NJ, will in-person polling places be open on election day? I don’t know where that currently stands

  276. Juice box says:

    Takeaway from video is Hillary’s warning do not concede on election night

    “The group is also trying to sensitize state and county elections officials, news and social media organizations, and the courts to the perils of premature results — and to the possibility of Trump and his team applying challenges and political pressure to reject a high share of mailed-in ballots counted after election day.”

    new Jersesy has done it’s part as of last week you legally cannot vote on a machine unless you are disabled.

  277. Juice box says:

    Homeboken law was changed last week to eliminate or stall court challenges. it’s now one polling place at a minimum per town all votes are provisional except For disabled who will be allowed to vote on a machine.

    Will they release mail in voting tallies early to swing the remained of voters, you betcha

  278. 1987 Condo says:

    Action Park: I was “banned for life” from the water speed boat attraction. I apparently missed the wave in and took an “illegal” extra lap during which I was “waked” by another speedboat and my boat then sunk..I guess that did not make them happy.

  279. ExEssex says:

    This Country is soooooo screwed up right now.

  280. ExEssex says:

    Maga thoughts: “Who cares if the Country implodes, we owned the Libs”

  281. homeboken says:

    Tump/CDC executive order putting an eviction moratorium in place until year end has sent a tremor through the lending markets. The FHFA already had these restrictions in place for any FNMA/FRE/FHA backed loan. But this broader action, that was made without any additional stimulus to unemployed renters, has confirmed what all landlords and lenders were afraid of – Renters can stop paying rent for 2020, you can’t kick them out.

    The rent will be due at some point and the legality of the lease remains in tact. But good luck figuring out the last 4 months of the year AND good luck getting the rent out of a tapped out renter come 2021.

    Most renters are not thrilled with the idea of just stealing their housing but they aren’t stupid either. The math is easy to figure out, the 4th quarter will be messy unless additional stimulus $ get approved.

  282. 1987 Condo says:

    Regarding not being part of the WHO vaccine deal, I think it protects the US from having to “share”…I believe the US has already pre-purchased hundreds of millions of shots from each of the major potential providers..I dont think “we” want to share those..

  283. Juice Box says:

    Oh they are shifting existing lines and making the vaccine now. Did any forget the resurrection of Kodak as a “pharmaceutical company” using the Defence Production Act (DPA) to make generics?

  284. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Remember this when he starts pressing the city and tax payers for a new stadium. F’k this guy.

    “When we came in here, we did make a lot of changes. So there were two different levels. Some of those things were changes that needed to be done for a while. And some of those are just responding to the current environment of limited fans. And listen, it’s very difficult times and we’ll have to see what comes,” Tepper said of the decisions. “I doubt that we’ll have full fans this season and listen, it’s difficult decisions, and I mean it’s decisions that keep me up, that still keep me up. But the question is: What’s right for the organization and what’s right for the individual and the long term? That’s what you have to think about when you’re running an organization. I don’t take one person lightly.”

    The staff changes impact the organization across departments and salary levels. Affected departments include security, community relations, ticketing and entertainment. The hope with the moves was they would minimize the future changes that the company has to make going forward.

    Tepper is the founder and CEO of global hedge fund Appaloosa Management and is the richest owner in the NFL, worth an estimated $13 billion, according to Forbes. The Panthers wanted to have a limited number of fans for their first home game this season Sept. 13, but the team was denied an exception for the game by the state. The new Charlotte MLS team, Charlotte FC, was supposed to kick off its inaugural season this year, but that has been pushed back to 2022.

    When asked further about his decision to let go of a significant number of employees, Tepper defended the move.

    “I decide on these decisions based on what’s good for the organization and what’s good for the individual. It’s not good to have an individual sit there idle for a year or a year and a half or two years with nothing to do inside the organization,” Tepper said. “You’re basing this purely on a financial question, this is a human question, and every individual’s an individual … Sometimes difficult decisions, sometimes there’s still the right decision. It may not seem the right decision for everybody involved at the time, but they’re still the right decision.”

  285. homeboken says:

    Ex – I regret that premise entirely. The MAGA folks would be perfectly fine if we voted in person, like we have done for 240 years now.

    I see your opinion but it is entirely faulty.

    The state of NJ says – Let’s change rules and traditions and allow mass mail-in voting. Then when half our residents develop a counter strategy to ensure they get a legal vote, we accuse them of trying to destroy the country.

    How about we just go back to in-person voting? And please spare me the “Science!” claims. People have been about 85% back to normal living for months.
    Removing my ability to vote in person, as I am accustomed to, is voter suppression. Change my mind.

  286. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yea, look at what you were selling…computer gear. Enough said. You weren’t creating anything. The market was growing and you were a door to door salesman except through the phone or internet. Of course this job prob has already been outsourced by the greedy f’ks like Tepper.

    ExEssex says:
    September 2, 2020 at 7:50 pm
    2:53 my first company sold computer gear and I was there for the forks growth from $7oom to $1.5b in sales….today they are a $37b company. ALL of that business conducted over the phone or computer.

  287. homeboken says:

    regret = reject. good one.

  288. homeboken says:

    Tepper is total effin jackass – He believes he is being altruistic by allowing his employees go find meaningful work elsewhere? This is a sickness. The guy is so convinced that he is doing the moral thing that he will explain his decision in the media and expect people to believe it.

    Here is your pink slip. I know you can’t pay your rent or feed your kids but now you are free to go pursue real meaningful work. You’re welcome.

    Freak.

  289. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Jersey! I love this state and always will. Too many haters…like you.

    Was an excellent documentary.

    Bystander says:
    September 3, 2020 at 7:14 am
    On a lighter blog note, new Action Park documentary. What a trip down memory lane. Place was legendary in 70s and 80s. I remember tennis ball mini-tanks or something. What a time to be alive..or not.

    https://youtu.be/mqg48h_uKYM

  290. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “From Liberty Bonds to Coronavirus Bills
    U.S. debt has reached its highest level compared to the size of the economy since World War II and is projected to exceed it next year, the result of a giant fiscal response to the coronavirus pandemic. The Congressional Budget Office said Wednesday that federal debt held by the public is projected to reach or exceed 100% of U.S. gross domestic product, the broadest measure of U.S. economic output, in the fiscal year that begins on Oct. 1. That would put the U.S. in the company of a handful of nations with debt loads that exceed their economies, including Japan, Italy and Greece, Kate Davidson reports.

    The surge in borrowing so far isn’t creating angst among investors or hampering the U.S.’s ability to borrow more. Investors have gobbled up U.S. Treasury assets, drawn to their relative safety. Moreover, interest rates are expected to remain low, suggesting the government still has plenty of room to borrow.”

  291. Libturd says:

    “My guess is that the current phase 3 trials are having zero problems finding 30k participants.”

    Nor will there be any problem achieving herd immunity even though the numbers of people who claim they won’t take it are incredibly high. Lots of people lie. Probably more do than don’t.

    Homeboken, I vote at the Women’s Club in Glen Ridge. When I go on an average year, there are easily 100 people in a large room that was built in a home over 100 year’s old. This is a general election. I expect that number to swoon to 200 or 300 or even more. This will be repeated across polling places all across the country. It is simply not pandemic safe. To deny this is to be lying to yourself. Though, I will not deny that mail in balloting is an advantage to the Democrats since REAL SUPPRESSION occurs every single election, mainly in the South where Red states like to put their polling places where poorer citizens are not willing to pay for public transit (or where it isn’t available) to vote. We have always been able to absentee vote. It is not illegal for people to opt to use it. Stop being undemocratic. Voting should be made as easy as possible. In many countries, it is illegal NOT to vote.

  292. Juice Box says:

    Allot of the Phama manufacturing is in India and they don’t want to share either folks, maybe half the doses they make or maybe not.

    It’s every country for itself, especially with the “unprecedented” amount of money being tossed around by all governments to win this race to produce an efficient vaccine. WHO was designed for global cooperation but like the UN it has failed somewhat in it’s mission to unite the world. It isn’t just Trump either folks his America first platform to move manufacturing especially Pharma back to the USA looks great on paper but taking work back from India or elsewhere has roiled some of the other world leaders as well.

  293. ExEssex says:

    8:36 lots and lots of computer gear.

    The same stuff that makes WFH so easy.

  294. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Juice,

    Good point, that’s why world trade has a dangerous side. Its path usually leads to war.

  295. Juice Box says:

    I do want to point out again something that will come-up in the debates when they happen. Sleeping Joe’s record on American manufacturing jobs is abysmal.

    Biden voted for NAFTA “the giant sucking sound” and permanent normal trade relations with China and as VP he backed the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

    This is middle class voters in swing states, and unemployment is still running high. He can promise Green Energy vapor jobs but that is about it. He will get crushed on jobs record.

  296. Grim says:

    There was little to no mRNA vaccine production capacity globally. Much of this is new build. Lonza and Moderna facilities in the US are billion dollar investments.

  297. ExEssex says:

    8:36 during one year I believe it was 1994 my ceo was on the cover of Forbes,
    standing in from of my sales team.

    In 1995 I went to the super bowl and partied with Ross Cooley from Compaq.
    Kmart was my big client at the time….Troy, MI booooyah

  298. ExEssex says:

    Pumpkin reminds me of every other “C” student that went into teaching after college with literally no life experience, limited intellect, and a profound desire to “ teach”.
    Zero life skills .

  299. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Maybe, I’m wrong, and the economy will be based on WFH. I just don’t see it. As much as people complain about it, deep down inside they like going to work and getting out of the house. Only when its taken away, do you realize it.

    Imagine 4 years into this type of work from home environment. 4 years of mostly sitting in your house, or work….I don’t know how it will be looked at after that many years; would it be your home or place of work?

    The really bad part, the lack of exercise. Add on top of that, people constantly eating. It’s just not healthy to be home all day. It’s fine for a little bit, but years, and you are going to see some negative consequences come about.

    ExEssex says:
    September 3, 2020 at 8:58 am
    8:36 lots and lots of computer gear.

    The same stuff that makes WFH so easy

  300. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Don’t think of it from your perspective. Think of it from a 20 year old perspective. Is it healthy for them to be sitting home during your peak social years? How much screen time can you get before you get depressed? An idea of a date is going on a zoom date?

    Obviously, the youth are rebelling against this. They are going to bars and social gatherings. They want to live and be around people. Of course there are nerds and anti social types that never live a day in their life. Too scared to leave their house…and prob still living with their parents.

  301. Juice Box says:

    Grtim – The sling blades at McKinsey advising Jared have this all planned out, “tech transfer”” they are calling it, part of Project Warp Speed.

    Money is being helicoptered everywhere.

    https://www.fiercepharma.com/manufacturing/catalent-pumps-50m-into-indiana-fill-finish-capacity-covid-19-vaccine-contracts-hand

  302. Grim says:

    We find that our employees are exercising more at home.

    How do we know?

    A huge number of our employees are part of a quarterly fitness competition – we all form teams, wear trackers, and compete. Participation and activity now through the roof. People simply have more time now.

    Suspect people are eating better as well.

  303. Juice Box says:

    Wanna feel old? Click on the picture below of Johnny Knoxsville.

    https://tinyurl.com/yye2zfak

  304. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I bought an investment property before 20 years old….zero life skills.

    ExEssex says:
    September 3, 2020 at 9:06 am
    Pumpkin reminds me of every other “C” student that went into teaching after college with literally no life experience, limited intellect, and a profound desire to “ teach”.
    Zero life skills .

  305. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Like lemmings jumping on the latest diet fad, let’s see how long that lasts.

    Why are you such a big proponent of WFH? How are you benefitting?

    Grim says:
    September 3, 2020 at 9:16 am
    We find that our employees are exercising more at home.

    How do we know?

    A huge number of our employees are part of a quarterly fitness competition – we all form teams, wear trackers, and compete. Participation and activity now through the roof. People simply have more time now.

    Suspect people are eating better as well.

  306. 3b says:

    WFH is hear today!
    WFH is here today!

    Makes for such a pleasant day!
    Makes for such a pleasant day!

  307. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Grim,

    Are you for remote learning or in person instruction? Why?

    P.s. I already know your answer. So if learning is optimum in person, how is WFH optimum when it comes to work? I guess if your job requires no thinking or learning…

  308. 3b says:

    Grim: We have something similar at my place. I always exercised before this, but now I am exercising even more. Get up early in the morning go for a run. No stressing about finishing fast to get home and shower to catch the pos nj Transit train. It’s a huge quality of life difference.

  309. Juice Box says:

    Speaking of health I have my doctors visit this afternoon, had blood drawn on Monday. Surprisingly even though it’s free LabCorp did not push the covid-19 antibody test on me at all.

    Blood pressure is excellent, resting heart rate is good. I have lost a few pounds and I am definitely eating better no more fast anything for breakfast or lunch, and I haven’t had gas station sushi in ages.

  310. Refi says:

    Hey guys.. looking to Refi to a 15 year fixed got quoted 2.375 with $3500 closing costs in NJ. If anyone knows where I can get a better rate plz chime in… my credit score is 839. I asked about the free appraisal but was told it’s “decided by the computer”

  311. 3b says:

    Wow!! In all the years here, I have never heard anyone say what was just said about grins job, nor do I ever recall him criticizing anyone else’s job. A line has certainly been crossed. Self awareness is so important, and sadly some people don’t have it.

  312. 3b says:

    Juice: What is gas station sushi?

  313. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Hope you are still singing this when you are not WFH because your job was off-shored easily due to the WFH platform.

    Oh right, you don’t have the ability to think long term. You realize how difficult it is to learn online, right? So you will be too old to even be able to learn something new if it all goes to WFH and you need a new job. The training will be too difficult to learn something new for most people.

    3b says:
    September 3, 2020 at 9:20 am
    WFH is hear today!
    WFH is here today!

    Makes for such a pleasant day!
    Makes for such a pleasant day!

  314. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – re: “zero life skills” at 20.

    So hard on yourself Pumps. We all know by the time you were twenty you were hit in the face with more balls than Mike Piazza. It also takes allot to teach tennis and not
    partake in the Ridgewood real houswives.

    Me and Mrs. Jones
    We got a thing goin’on
    We both know that it’s wrong
    But it’s much too strong
    To let it go now

    We gotta be extra careful
    That do we don’t build our hopes up too high
    Because she’s got her own obligations
    And so, and so, do I

  315. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Says the guy who brings my wife’s occupation into our debates.

    What line did I cross? How did I create a line? Wtf?!

    3b says:
    September 3, 2020 at 9:26 am
    Wow!! In all the years here, I have never heard anyone say what was just said about grins job, nor do I ever recall him criticizing anyone else’s job. A line has certainly been crossed. Self awareness is so important, and sadly some people don’t have it.

  316. Juice Box says:

    3B – that is a setup and you know it. Don’t google.

  317. Libturd says:

    Isn’t it a school day in Wayne?

    That’s right, the janitors were let go.

  318. grim says:

    Why are you such a big proponent of WFH? How are you benefitting?

    Happy employees make for good business.

  319. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Are you a real person? Or just f’ing with me?

    3b says:
    September 3, 2020 at 9:23 am
    Grim: We have something similar at my place. I always exercised before this, but now I am exercising even more. Get up early in the morning go for a run. No stressing about finishing fast to get home and shower to catch the pos nj Transit train. It’s a huge quality of life difference.

  320. Fast Eddie says:

    I hate WFH every day. Maybe two days per week but not every day. There’s no collaboration, no discussing issues, not able to walk over to someone’s office or cube for a question or discussion… the whole element of human transaction is missing. This is not healthy. And I think about the collateral damage it does to all jobs associated with an office structure, transportation, food services, supporting roles in every capacity and it’s just not healthy.

  321. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Are they happy after you offshore their job?

    grim says:
    September 3, 2020 at 9:32 am
    Why are you such a big proponent of WFH? How are you benefitting?

    Happy employees make for good business

  322. Libturd says:

    I heard gas station sushi was banned due to covid.

    Remember the adage, he who eats half price sushi will always pay twice.

  323. Juice Box says:

    Eddie – you can’t go in even if you want to? We have a few teams working in the office and Security has not stopped me yet. They will next month however! lol!

  324. grim says:

    We repatriated more than 10,000 jobs to the US due to covid, leveraging work from home as a mechanism to make the business case work.

  325. Libturd says:

    Speaking of WFH, heading into Union to do some work that can’t yet be done remotely. Working with Xerox today to change that.

    Isn’t it amazing how much time you and your employ get back not being leashed to a NJ Transit train?

  326. The Great Pumpkin says:

    For how long before the mechanism doesn’t work and you go back to outsourcing?

    grim says:
    September 3, 2020 at 9:35 am
    We repatriated more than 10,000 jobs to the US due to covid, leveraging work from home as a mechanism to make the business case work.

  327. Fast Eddie says:

    Juice,

    I have to submit a ticket if I want to go to my building to get something from my desk.

  328. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Ahh, helping them to offshore your job. Nice.

    Libturd says:
    September 3, 2020 at 9:36 am
    Speaking of WFH, heading into Union to do some work that can’t yet be done remotely. Working with Xerox today to change that.

  329. BRT says:

    P.s. I already know your answer. So if learning is optimum in person, how is WFH optimum when it comes to work? I guess if your job requires no thinking or learning…

    There comes a point in a persons life in which they are capable of operating on their own. K-12 ain’t it. I would hope someone reaches this point by their 30s.

  330. grim says:

    Investing heavily in innovation, technology, automation, and artificial intelligence as part of the story to keep jobs on shore.

    As we increase automation, complexity of remaining workload begins to increase significantly (as the easy stuff gets automated). This naturally requires a higher skillset, higher wage employee. These higher value workloads tend to naturally stay onshore.

    The other factor is BCP. Covid exposed who was swimming naked. Geographic distribution alone is no longer the gold standard for bcp.

  331. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You might not realize it, but one day you are going to miss that train ride and commute to the city. If you weren’t filled with such negative energy, you could have enjoyed it in the present.

  332. Fast Eddie says:

    In other news, my investments have skyrocketed past the previous Covid highs. Amazing what dollar cost averaging and assets set to reinvest can do for you.

  333. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Fast,

    My wife’s 401k has doubled since its lows earlier in the year. Incredible and scary. Lol

  334. 3b says:

    Fast: All of that can still be done just in a different manner, and in a more relaxed environment, and less room for distraction. And it can be scheduled, and no disrespect but I am not a fan of just walking over to someone and interrupting them. Then you get the people that come over and never leave. I have seen the workplace evolve over the years, from years on a trading desk where you could not be any closer, to an office environment cubes/offices. I also remember when people would hang around after work, dinner drinks etc That’s not the case anymore the commuters in my office in and out, both parents working. Need to catch that train or else. As for the young people headphones on all day from what I see. And not big into the art of conversation. As well I don’t know about your job, but my industry has been geographically dispersing for a number of years prior to the pandemic. So for instance my team now consists of people in 4 NY area offices only one in the city and one office in Atlanta. So even if we do go back in some fashion we are split up anyhow. And Zoom and e mail will be how we communicate, just like WFH, so what’s the point of being in an office and wasting 3 to 4 hours on a shitty commute? As for the socializing I get it some people need it, many others don’t. To your point about others who depend on office workers, I understand that, but it’s not going to change WFH. NYC will have to reinvent, and it’s partly the city’s own fault, they priced themselves out of being competitive.

  335. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I get it and appreciate it for the time being.

    I just know how this story ends for Americans. It’s either going to be war or working for a job that can’t support your living standard. WFH will absolutely destroy the American economy. Only a limited amount of corporations will benefit, while the majority of people will suffer under limited economic opportunity.

    grim says:
    September 3, 2020 at 9:42 am
    Investing heavily in innovation, technology, automation, and artificial intelligence as part of the story to keep jobs on shore.

    As we increase automation, complexity of remaining workload begins to increase significantly (as the easy stuff gets automated). This naturally requires a higher skillset, higher wage employee. These higher value workloads tend to naturally stay onshore.

    The other factor is BCP. Covid exposed who was swimming naked. Geographic distribution alone is no longer the gold standard for bcp.

  336. homeboken says:

    Eddie – I love WFH, I don’t miss going into the office at all.

    I do however, really miss, going on the road to see my clients. I would spend more time in a client office than my NYC HQ previously.

    Not being able to go see my clients has cost me a serious chunk of change this year. My business is one of that last few financial jobs that is stuck in 1985 technology wise. Commercial real estate.
    It is so old school, that I had a big NYC deal closing on March 17. No one felt comfortable signing electronically OR going to a closing together.
    I drove banker’s boxes of documents around Manhattan. Buyer Lawyer, Seller Lawyer, Title Agent, HUD NYC office. It could have been done in 20 minutes electronically, but….

  337. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Screens are already destroying these people. Becoming so anti-social. Now imagine what WFH will do to them. Going to be a lot of depressed people in the future. Living their one and only life through a screen.

    “I also remember when people would hang around after work, dinner drinks etc That’s not the case anymore the commuters in my office in and out, both parents working. Need to catch that train or else. As for the young people headphones on all day from what I see. And not big into the art of conversation.”

  338. 3b says:

    Juice: You are going to miss NJ Transit, come on admit it!

  339. The Great Pumpkin says:

    If you don’t enjoy it, you are right. Just stay in your house all day and never leave. Cool story!

    3b says:
    September 3, 2020 at 10:02 am
    Juice: You are going to miss NJ Transit, come on admit it!

  340. Fast Eddie says:

    The hours wasted on a commute, I get. The quality of life being home is a positive, no doubt. I’m finding that my roughly eight hour working day is now a ten hour. No problem, I still get to do things around the house. But, regardless of whether I’m old school or not, the human interaction and grabbing a small conference room to discuss issues is a missing element that is/was an advantage when everyone was in the office. I never needed the after hours work drink thing that much, there’s just pros and cons of being remote full time as opposed to being in the office.

    As for what I do and what my company does… well, if we ever have another GTG, I will explain all, but can’t do it here.

  341. 3b says:

    WFH What do you know!
    WFH What do you know!

    No more to the office we will go!
    No more to the office we will go!

  342. grim says:

    I do however, really miss, going on the road to see my clients. I would spend more time in a client office than my NYC HQ previously.

    Same here, sales visits especially.

  343. 3b says:

    Fast: Fair points, adult discussion back and forth. I put in more hours too, but much more flexible in how I do it. Not having the commute alone frees up so much more time.WFH is another evolving process but it’s not going anywhere. I remember old timers back in the late 90s saying e mail would never replace the personal connection of a telephone call, well it did. In my office my phone could sit for weeks without it ever ringing. All e mail, and now Zoom and e mail and Microsoft teams.

  344. grim says:

    On the phone right now with a big jersey pharma company.

    Senior exec just said they have no plans to bring people back to the office until end of 2021 earliest, and they are not ruling out 2022 depending on how the next few months play out.

    2022.

  345. Juce Box says:

    re: “sales visits especially”

    Bada Bing on the company credit card?

  346. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You are grounded. You are not allowed to leave work, I mean your home. Which one is it? Do this long enough and your brain will eventually look at your home with as much disgust as you have for your work office. Just wait.

    Even if you switch jobs, what’s the difference? Still stuck in the same exact cage. Different job, same damn setting. People? What does that matter, you don’t care about people you never met in person. I really really hope I’m right for my daughter’s sake.

  347. grim says:

    …and by on the phone, I mean Teams, not the ringy thing.

  348. grim says:

    Bada Bing on the company credit card?

    I used to enjoy the wine and dine, do it enough and it’s boring. I’d rather go to a diner with my family than a $2k fancy shmancy dinner with clients.

  349. Juice Box says:

    Teams aka Skype was one of Microsoft’s winning purchases, a paltry 8.5 billion in 2011 and now they have turned it into one of the biggest phone companies around.

  350. grim says:

    I don’t miss spending every few weeks in Miami though, I really don’t care for Miami.

  351. Juice Box says:

    re” do it enough and it’s boring”

    Obviously you were going to the wrong places. Lunchtime down off Canal St back in the day was always fun.

  352. The Great Pumpkin says:

    2022? Seriously?

    I have to look into this. If most companies take this position, I’m selling my stocks and investment properties. The economy is f’ed. Oil is going to get destroyed. The lack of demand in the economy is going to be downright scary. Dominoes…

  353. 3b says:

    I have to say I really like Teams. I was part of the beta testing before we rolled it out to the whole company.

  354. Hold my beer says:

    Pumps

    I can see you’ve never done the nyc commute. I can’t think of anyone I know who enjoyed it. Most people were tired, stressed, and felt trapped.

  355. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – even you know not to try and fight the tide. Right or Wrong the management consultants have all re-tooled their decks to promote massive employee satisfaction, wellness at zero cost to the company from WFH. The savings is massive on the expense side of the balance sheet. All that matters in life is yield, which means you will have no choice but to yield your position.

  356. 3b says:

    I used to enjoy the dinners, but they did become a pain after a while, especially since you had to be back in the trading desk by 7:30 the next morning. One time it was so late, I took the town car home, made a pot of coffee, showered and got back on the train into work.

    My favorite was the Post House, 65 between Lex and Park , it was a fantastic steak and pork house. Best creamed spinach. It closed a few years ago, due to changing tastes.

  357. Hold my beer says:

    Fast Eddie

    You miss the office banter? Don’t take this the wrong way, but I have never thought of you as a people person.

  358. grim says:

    Ate at one of the Bobby Flay joints once with Mark Hurd and a small crew from Oracle, was a good time. Pretty sure Gary Vaynerchuck was with us too, funny since we knew each other from the blog. Can’t remember if he came to dinner, I think so. Too long ago.

    We would do our big client events in Vegas, I was always on deck to entertain clients after the corporate dog and pony show was over. One of our c-suite guys gave me his corp card to take out a few big clients, because I told him my cards were sure to get declined. I think that was a $7,000 tab by the end of the night.

  359. 3b says:

    Hold:?Aint that the truth! Miserable broken down trains, no heat in winter, or AC in summer, then lights and be stuck, or no lights and move. A soul sucking experience, and then arrive in falling apart Hoboken terminal, a national historic landmark!

  360. Hold my beer says:

    3b

    Even ordinary life stuff like getting a haircut, grocery shopping, getting your car worked on or going to the doctor was stressful. It either had to be on a weekend after a 65-70 hour week of commuting and work, or you have to take a day off. Like a rat running on a wheel.

  361. Fast Eddie says:

    All e mail, and now Zoom and e mail and Microsoft teams.

    email is gone pretty much as well. Now, it’s zoom and slack and lately, Microsoft teams.

  362. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Don’t believe me. Look at our national debt because of what WFH did to our economy. Killed so much demand. The country was able to replace that demand through stimulus programs and welfare. Rates are at zero. If this lack of demand goes till 2022, and you can’t replace it with stimulus programs, the economy is in trouble.

    We have a govt order in place that you can’t evict tenants, think about that for a second.

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    September 3, 2020 at 10:23 am
    2022? Seriously?

    I have to look into this. If most companies take this position, I’m selling my stocks and investment properties. The economy is f’ed. Oil is going to get destroyed. The lack of demand in the economy is going to be downright scary. Dominoes…

  363. Fast Eddie says:

    Beer,

    I am a people person, believe it or not. lol.

  364. 3b says:

    All of our entertainment was in Manhattan, The Post House, Morton’s,The Palm, Keens, La Cote Basque,,Il Mulino. Sammy’s Roumanian was always a laugh. Then of course there were times where there was after dinner entertainment, Scores, Hogs and Heifers. That stuff is all gone now.

  365. 3b says:

    Fast:Agreed e mail dying out. Teams takes care of it all. I got used to it quickly.

  366. Juice Box says:

    I don’t miss commuting to the city. One of the worst experiences is sitting on a bus stuck in traffic next to someone with the nastiest of BO, especially when there are no other seats free.

    Then there were the creeps that would stare the whole ride, they used to take my good looks as a sign that I was easy. Look lady if you wanna get with me, you gotta get with my friends, and make it last forever, friendship never ends.

  367. grim says:

    Never had to daily commute into the city. But, I’ll tell you, there is something special about taking the ferry from Hoboken or Edgewater to Wall Street.

    I’d take client meetings in the city just to be able to hop on that ferry ride.

  368. grim says:

    Last ferry ride to pier 11 was February 9th.

    Liberty Street.

    Love walking around NYSE/Trinity/Fed.

    Just won that deal by the way.

  369. homeboken says:

    NY Waterway – The sophisticated commute.

    I’d take client meetings in the city just to be able to hop on that ferry ride

  370. grim says:

    I mean, as long as this is a big reminisce session.

    Being able to spend a day at Bloomberg HQ, and get a personal tour of the whole place, including being able to walk the newsroom floor, studios, while they were broadcasting, was pretty awesome.

    That was a place completely built for employee interaction.

  371. Juice box says:

    We shut down a startup we purchased in Dumbo. I used to spend a whole day getting there and back on NY Waterway and the NY water taxis. We have another one in Manhattan too that was just spun off as well.

    Don’t get me wrong I love to visit the city it is so alive especially in nice weather, but not five days a week of commuting drudgery.

    The vibe that was NYC is gone for now. It will come back it always does, perhaps when the tourist come back.

  372. 3b says:

    Grim: Ferry is nice. I would take it occasionally, monthly ticket from Hoboken cost more than my train commute. My whole career has been in the Wall Street area.

  373. 3b says:

    Grim and Bloomberg has great snacks and coffee!

  374. 3b says:

    Juice: All the cool neighborhoods are gone in NYC, all regentrified -and Disney fied. I used to see all the tourists at Times Square and just don’t see the attraction. NYC will be back in some form, but it will have to compete with other cities. I assume it won’t have all those tourist stores selling NYPD shirts!

  375. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3b,

    You take it for granted. Again, you don’t appreciate it. How many places in this country look like Times Square? ESP at night? For people that didn’t grow up around here, only seeing it on movies or tv, it’s pretty amazing to witness in person.

    Do you understand a lot of the country is boring. Not much character to speak of.

    There’s no place like New York. You either love it or hate it. I love it and always will.

  376. homeboken says:

    Tech market (and all markets) seem to be in correction mode today. Is this the start of a larger downswing or is it time to BTFD?

    Lots of savvy investors here – What do you think?

  377. 3b says:

    I love NYC born and raised, a real New Yorker, not a blow in. Or someone who visits on occasion. You just wouldn’t understand, but that’s no surprise.

  378. Juice Box says:

    Last big dinner I was at was with a Google exec in NYC. They were paying and the expensive wine was flowing. They are pushing real hard for the Microsoft business, prob is their tech ain’t there yet and they really cannot compete with AWS as their folks are the Borg.

  379. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    September 3, 2020 at 10:45 am
    Don’t believe me. Look at our national debt because of what WFH did to our economy. Killed so much demand. The country was able to replace that demand through stimulus programs and welfare. Rates are at zero. If this lack of demand goes till 2022, and you can’t replace it with stimulus programs, the economy is in trouble.

    We have a govt order in place that you can’t evict tenants, think about that for a second.

    homeboken says:
    September 3, 2020 at 11:23 am
    Tech market (and all markets) seem to be in correction mode today. Is this the start of a larger downswing or is it time to BTFD?

    Lots of savvy investors here – What do you think?

  380. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    September 3, 2020 at 10:23 am
    2022? Seriously?

    I have to look into this. If most companies take this position, I’m selling my stocks and investment properties. The economy is f’ed. Oil is going to get destroyed. The lack of demand in the economy is going to be downright scary. Dominoes…

  381. 3b says:

    Juice: Experience wine? Years ago we used to order 200.00 dollar bottles of Opus, not that I could tell the difference between that and a 20 dollar bottle!

  382. Walking says:

    3b , I think people who shutdown their computer at 2:30, and don’t look at work until 8am next day will not understand what you are talking about. Try and imagine a job where Friday you close your laptop and don’t check your phone until Monday. You leave the office by 3, no matter what just hit the fan and say I’ll take a look at that Monday.

  383. chicagofinance says:

    Looks like I top ticked the market here……

    Chicago says:
    September 2, 2020 at 9:04 am
    AAPL market cap rose above the value value of the entire Russell 2000.

  384. Libturd says:

    I rest peacefully in this market. It was only a matter of time.

  385. 3b says:

    Walking: Agree. That’s always been my issue with a certain someone on this topic. They speak with such authority as if they have years of exposure. And then lectures us who actually do it and have years of experience and are actually doing the WFH, that we are wrong, and we don’t know what we are talking about. The lack of self awareness is astounding to me.

  386. Juice Box says:

    3B – My wife is from Cali, we dream of buying a few acres in Napa to retire, problem is the fires and well scrub-land there is a million an acre. Whenever someone was paying I would spend some time picking the expensive stuff to try it until they objected to the price. I am far from a wine connoisseur, I like 14 dollar stuff and in my opinion can taste better than some aged $500 a bottle french slop, I have had.

    They way it’s going I may have to go breaking bad, this time the show will be making wine.

  387. Hold my beer says:

    Most of the country can’t compete with the thrill of living on a highway

  388. chicagofinance says:

    homeboken says:
    September 3, 2020 at 11:23 am
    Tech market (and all markets) seem to be in correction mode today. Is this the start of a larger downswing or is it time to BTFD?

    Lots of savvy investors here – What do you think?

  389. chicagofinance says:

    Front running the normal post Labor Day back from the beach barf up of stocks….. wasn’t there some wh0lesale vaccine news yesterday? Any excuse……
    BTFD? We have been in deep end of the pool sh!t for months…….

  390. chicagofinance says:

    Consider this market the same as a cas!no, except that the expected return is positive as opposed to negative odds.

    The best place to BTFD would be the retail driven names that have inexperienced Portnoy-fanboys and their Robinhood apps…… not too hard to figure those out….

  391. chicagofinance says:

    Just remember that at any time a big boy can come and try to crush these kids….. keep am eye on the major indeces recomposition and the stressors put on those names….just because an announcement was made does not equate to the exact point where the rubber hits the road……

  392. chicagofinance says:

    recomposition……… reconstitution is a better word

  393. chicagofinance says:

    Already it looks as if BTFD is in process….. just remember Trump is watching this all day……

  394. 3b says:

    Juice: Napa valley is beautiful understand why you would want to do it, but drawbacks as you note. I have had excellent 15 dollar bottles of red wine,don’t see why anyone would spend 200.00 or more. The Irish boy making wine! Just like the eye talians!!

  395. Bystander says:

    Boken,

    Regarding Tepper post..I am not shocked by the resident dufus talking out both sides of his mouth but given your political views, I am a little shocked. This is capitalism, same as any other organization and something your side promotes. Why are you upset? This stuff happens everyday, everywhere. I was told by Rs that these people should be punished for not acquiring education and real skills. What’s your view here? I hate tax cut, continued bailout of corporatocracy, Fed shenanigans…it creates people like Tepper at the expense of savers, non stock owners and limited risk takers. Orange clown does not share that view at all. He wants to give more. Dems have been for removing tax cuts, raising rich, more capitalism regulation. Sorry not getting it from your post.

  396. BRT says:

    I have a friend who owns 4 acres in Amwell. He turned his property into a vineyard. Makes great wine in his cellar. I can’t tell the difference. Funny thing, people in the neighborhood keep asking him if he sets them up professionally. They all want a vineyard in their yard as well.

  397. Juice Box says:

    I guess Trump will be in NYC soon.

    Gov. Cuomo says: Trump ‘better have an army to protect him if he comes to NYC’

  398. Walking says:

    Trump in nyc? Is it time to start designing the library ? Perhaps some slot machines between the books.

  399. homeboken says:

    Trump doesn’t need an army to walk the streets of NYC. I would bet that if he asked, he could get several hundred NYPD to escort him around. They aren’t really fans of Mario Jr. or Billy D-bag.

    As for my Tepper post – It’s not political. I understand the need for lay-offs, I also understand that labor arbitrage is a real thing. What I find disgusting about Tepper is the tone in his explanation and the forum where he expressed it.

    Even if he believes he is doing to moral thing by letting his employees go, a smart man doesn’t take to public forums and exclaim his morality.

    I’ve been on the losing end of lay-offs 2 times, so maybe I have a soft spot. But those were corporate level layoffs. Cost of doing business.

    Laying off stadium workers, janitors, any hourly wage earner and thinking that you are doing them a favor is what I object to.

  400. Hold my beer says:

    Cuomo and Trump have similar personalities. Maybe that’s why they loathe each other. Not many old guys like looking in the mirror.

  401. WFH! says:

    Trade deficit largest since 2008. MTA ready to puke. Selling for rent signs and window soap in the city Now is a good way to make a buck.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/lisaabramowicz1

  402. SmallGovConservative says:

    WFH! says:
    September 3, 2020 at 2:05 pm
    “Selling for rent signs and window soap in the city Now is a good way to make a buck.”

    That was a given, the day that DeBlasio was elected.

  403. Libturd says:

    I’m going long squeegies.

  404. leftwing says:

    “My business is one of that last few financial jobs that is stuck in 1985 technology wise…I drove banker’s boxes of documents around Manhattan. Buyer Lawyer, Seller Lawyer, Title Agent, HUD NYC office. It could have been done in 20 minutes electronically, but….”

    LOL. I’m of a vintage that was reared actually flying documents down to DC on a shuttle to get an offering filed with the SEC. Everyone watching the clock, junior guy on the deal team sitting there with a R/T ticket and a few big bags…pre-EDGAR…..Lib, are there even trips to the printers these days…..it’s been so long….good food, booze, and loved the pool table….

    “My favorite was the Post House, 65 between Lex and Park , it was a fantastic steak and pork house.”

    Oh yes. Much less known and smaller than the bigger names but fantastic food. personal favorite.

  405. Libturd says:

    Leftwing, I can relate.

    I used to jog to the last FedEx office that took 8:15pm guaranteed overnight deliveries. I never did the plane courier thing, but we did have some office guys do it periodically. And I know about those conference rooms at the printers where anything you could ever want was at the beckon call. Those days are so long gone. the late 90s was the schiznit!

  406. leftwing says:

    “Did any forget the resurrection of Kodak as a “pharmaceutical company” using the Defence Production Act (DPA) to make generics?”

    I am balls deep my fourth short position in this name lol. Crazy. Keep it coming…..this company is so dead….

  407. leftwing says:

    M E M O R A N D U M

    To: The Fcuking Fool

    From: The Blog
    _______________________

    Are you seriously re-posting your own posts an hour after you put them up?

    Hint, when we don’t reply it means you and your posts are irrelevant, not that we didn’t them.

  408. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “Younger investors being margined out. They were paper millionaires many of which are fighting for their financial lives. In the meantime the market’s barely down.”

  409. Juice Box says:

    More reporters than supporters for Sleeping Joe

    #Kenosha

  410. Bystander says:

    Thanks, boken. I agree that is wrong which is why I tend to agree with Bernie and AOC on whether billionaires are right thing for American capitalism. You should be rewarded for education, working hard, creating ideas and overseeing huge responsibilities. At some point, the system just allows too much concentration. It feeds narcissism disorder and they think they are deities. Fed has completely wiped away risk and therefore humbleness at corp exec level. I see it at my IB. The arrogance and lack of empathy is fascist level. They feel no responsibility for rewarding employees hard work, constantly nickel and dime our health plan and generally communicate feeling that you are lucky to be employed. We had two major process owners quit this week, at same time as a middle finger. Our workforce plan/vendor negotiator and our budget oversight director. They were very smart, worked 16 days and handled all kinds of bs exec level requests. Both mid to late 50s and it looks like they are stepping down from corp world. Completely fed up with exec arrogance. One lives alone in PA and other moving from NJ to DE and will take easier job. Execs act like no big deal. This is crushing for our current and future hiring strategies and financial controls. We need someone to b&tchslap executives and start holding them accountable instead of kissing their hairy white rears with Fed bailouts (stock pumping), Fed tax cuts and ridiculous state tax incentives.

  411. Juice Box says:

    re: “are billionaires are right thing for American capitalism”

    Sure they are one of the richest just tried to buy the election with 1/2 Billion of his own money and failed. Now he is using his vast wealth to swing the election via PACs and massive amounts of money to influence the mail ballot outcome.

    None of that would be possible without American Capitalism.

  412. Libturd says:

    This president is truly the antithesis of a prick.

    Besides ignoring all artist copyrights at the convention including Elton John and Leonard Cohen’s wishes, the Law & Order president has also now misappropriated a video of a group of black lawyers and professors representing the HBCU as footage for a public housing segment. The footage is used in a package praising Trump on public housing, but the video is from a meeting with leaders of Historically Black Colleges and Universities in February 2017. Like everyone else, they are suing the president, most likely to no avail.

    There really is no level to which this moron will go to lie. Really. And if this does not prove his racial ignorance. Then you are ignoring reality.

  413. Libturd, feeling kind of stupid says:

    Sorry. Used antithesis wrong.

  414. Juice Box says:

    Nah Trump really is easy going. He is a billionaire with big hands after all.

  415. Juice Box says:

    Tesla has lost about a fifth of its value in three trading days.

    Did Elon go from the fourth-richest person in the world to the third yet?

  416. WFH! says:

    Bye Bye Hilton Time Square. No tourists or business travelers. White collar job cuts to accelerate. Cinch up your Sabelts.

  417. Fabius Maximus says:

    PSU football doctor: 30-35 percent of COVID-19-positive Big Ten athletes had myocarditis

    https://www.centredaily.com/sports/college/penn-state-university/psu-football/article245448050.html

    Given that the recovery is 3-6 months, its hard to see how any college sport can play this year.

  418. Juice Box says:

    re: “Cinch up your Sabelts”

    Nah PPP Part Deux is coming cocaine Mitch just needs his taste first.

  419. Juice Box says:

    Fab -put your underwear back on you can get myocarditis from the Flu too.

  420. 3b says:

    Left Post House was the best! The food unmatched in my opinion. The decor, ambience, and of course we always got a table even without a reservation because of who we worked for and all the times going there. Then hanging in the bar for after dinner drinks and cigars. Those were fun days.

  421. Libturd says:

    Hoping for one more big down day tomorrow and I’ll be heading back into the water for PPP part 2.

    It’s an election year.

  422. Libturd says:

    I worked for printers so it was the Palm if in midtown or Old Homestead if nearer to the presses downtown. I missed those meals.

    Was once flown up in a private jet to a paper plant in the UP of Michigan. Might have been Mead. They put us up in their own B&B which was also the residence of the only French awarded 3-Star Michelin chef living in America. She was near retirement and sick of the restaurant scene. I remember eating lots of edible flowers and ice cream/ sorbets shaped exactly like the fruits and flavors they mimicked. The private jet I was in seated 5, each in their own fully rotating captain’s chairs. The trip took 1 hour and 15 minutes from the time I left my driveway in Montclair to our arrival at the mill. I couldn’t get to my office on Varick quicker regardless of means of transportation.

  423. Juice Box says:

    Lib- I always knew there was a printed paper mafia that existed from my days back in Verizon. Met a few that did all kinds of printing, one guy bragged about making a mint on all kinds of financial paper, there was even one guy who had a lock on phone books.

    I will give ya credit for hanging in there Lib, when I toss my mail in the garbage I promise not to think of you..

  424. Libturd says:

    Financial print was quite a business. Still doing it, but the big money is stealing from the taxpayer these days. It’s really quite sad. People in government simply don’t care what things cost. Day one of our trial for D’s education starts tomorrow. Depending on the the outcome, we may be able to go public about a pattern that wastes huge amounts of taxpayer dollars in nearly every smaller school system.

  425. Juice Box says:

    S*H*I*T almost forgot.

    Went to Doc today, gonna live longer need to drop a few more lbs etc,blood work all well. Don’t come back for a while, tired of seeing you etc.

    Anecdotal – Doc says he has seen not seen any Covid-19 patients in 2 months, he looked dispondent as the hospitals down here in Monmouth are empty, did he look dispondent behind his mask? This is a Doc that would bill a dead guy for taking his temperature. He lives at the hospital like batman just staking a perp, all covid-19 testing needs a script even the antibody test, so no wonder LaboCorp did not promote it.

    Anyway I reminded him mowing the grass and pulling a few weeds does make a difference in attracting new patients.

  426. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Most hospitals are empty. My doc is cold calling people to come in. The day my district cancelled in person, the local hospital had zero covid patients. People don’t understand that we are at minimum cases and baseline for 3 months now.

  427. Juice Box says:

    Lib- trial? Cahones I don’t like those but glad you got em.

  428. 3b says:

    My brother back in the day was one of those junior guys, spending nights at the printer waiting for official statements to be done.

  429. leftwing says:

    Lib, great story on the UP…get there faster than midtown lol…..

    3b, you’re from the guv’s former firm? How’d they let him in the door? Seriously.

  430. ExEssex says:

    My last gig as an infrastructure guy was helping to size and selling a large IBM server to Bowne.

  431. Bystander says:

    JB,

    I agree but money does not buy the presidency as Dumpy showed us. It is out of control Fed and greasy lobbyist to politician hand that needs a slap, all to benefit of big execs. Sheet, we paid Nikki Haley to give a speech but I’ve been f-ed on raise for two years, soon to be three.

  432. crushednjmillenial says:

    Taking the train to NYC once (like, for one day per year) is a fun, magical experience. You see beautiful sights – natural and man-made – and the daily spectacle of the street scenes of life unfolding as you whiz by on your way to the Global Capital.

    Taking the train to NYC every darn day is terrible. You’ve seen the same stuff sailing by a hundred times before. You’re keenly aware that the commute is 1 hour+ each way, each day. Your feet are possibly wet because it is raining or snowing out. All the idiots coughing and blowing their noses around you are disgusting (and that was before Covid). Plus, worst of all, the delays and delays – track problems, signal problems, congestion, and whatever else goes wrong with trains. Then, you might need to finish off your commute with a spin on the NYC subway and its smelly homeless denizens (and that was bad enough before Covid, too).

    Same with driving – it is great when you need to drive to a new place for a meeting or interview. Gets annoying quick when you need to trudge through dangerous and infuriating gridlock five days a week coming and going.

  433. 3b says:

    Left: It was a partnership when I was there, different firm. I never knew him when I was there, and don’t know how long he was there. But when it was a partnership it was a wonder place. We worked and worked hard, failure not an option. And we were rewarded handsomely! I can honestly say I was proud to work there, of course back then they were almost never in the news, and only people in the industry knew the firm. Anyone else thought it was a law firm or a jeweler. Ironically I did know Corrine when he worked there, and he was great! I don’t know what happened after he became governor of NJ, must be the water. He had a nasty divorce too, and his ex got the Hamptons house, which he supposedly loved. After the divorce was final she tore it down. Corzine came from a modest background. Father a Minister, Mom a teacher.

  434. 3b says:

    Crushed: Agreed, those that actually do or did the commute understand. It’s not some romantic train ride on a beautiful antique train rolling through the bucolic countryside.

  435. crushednjmillenial says:

    I caught 5-10 mins of Biden speaking today on CNN while I was eating lunch around 3:30.

    If he always sounded like what I heard, I think he’s heading toward an easy win. He wasn’t engaging or inspiring. Indeed, he was downright boring.

    Nonetheless, today, he sounded like a normal old guy, rather than a lost old man who had lost his marbles long ago. Based on the way his campaign was hiding him until recently, I didn’t think he was capable of giving remarks like he did today. I heard him make cogent statements, without a teleprompter, about education, mental health, tax reform, and a few other issues.

    Nothing he said would make any crowd rock with thunderous applause, but for example he was able to say something like “I believe we need to fund schools in low-income districts more. Title I schools are what the federal government labels certain low-income area schools. We currently fund these schools with $15B per year. I plan to raise this to $45b per year, because I would like to give low-income students more opportunity.” Holy moly! Agree or disagree with the policy, that is at least a cogent thought.

    He also put some emotion into denouncing violence/looting. He was standing up the whole time.

  436. ExEssex says:

    Once I stayed on the train too long, it was a gorgeous spring day and I just lost track….Had to walk back on the tracks two stations……Yeeeeeeesh. It was nuts.
    Glad that I was wearing my Eccos.

  437. 3b says:

    Left: Murphy was there when I was there but I was gone before him. I spent 17 years there, and Murphy according to Wikipedia spent 23.

  438. ExEssex says:

    Joe’s OK. His wife was/is a smoke show.

  439. Juice Box says:

    All, new paradigm, best part is it ain’t set in concrete. Get what you want and need. No better time than now to bargain.

  440. Juice Box says:

    3b- if my better half stays she joins the 25 year club….

    I would prefer to be rich and sail away but avast I may need to be a pirate and that is allot of broken english.

  441. 3b says:

    Juice: 25 years in one company is rare today. Understand though you gotta do what you gotta do!

  442. chicagofinance says:

    I don’t want to come off as callous. Are you a revenue center or cost center? It is pretty simply……. the top of the income statement rules….. the rest of it has to deal…. the problem is that the top line is not as big as it needs to be…… you are being given a message….. all due respect….

    Bystander says:
    September 3, 2020 at 3:04 pm
    I see it at my IB. The arrogance and lack of empathy is fascist level. They feel no responsibility for rewarding employees hard work, constantly nickel and dime our health plan and generally communicate feeling that you are lucky to be employed. We had two major process owners quit this week, at same time as a middle finger. Our workforce plan/vendor negotiator and our budget oversight director. They were very smart, worked 16 days and handled all kinds of bs exec level requests. Both mid to late 50s and it looks like they are stepping down from corp world. Completely fed up with exec arrogance. One lives alone in PA and other moving from NJ to DE and will take easier job. Execs act like no big deal. This is crushing for our current and future hiring strategies and financial controls. We need someone to b&tchslap executives and start holding them accountable instead of kissing their hairy white rears with Fed bailouts (stock pumping), Fed tax cuts and ridiculous state tax incentives.

  443. Bystander says:

    Chi,

    I understand – I am a cost, in regulatory tech. I am not expecting world but no corp can ask people for 12 – 16 hr days then f&ck everyone on raises/bonus. It is how the exec decides to spend money not that money is not there. Tons of money spent on management reporting teams and tools to scrutinize us more. Expensive vendor software to map all our costs and projects. Even hiring a dozen Agile coaches when they have sponsorship/agreement from business side to support transition. It won’t work. They are going to lose major staff. I count 4 exec directors leads that are existing. That is about 25% turnover. We are on our third group leader this year. They cut expensive business SMEs years back and now IT knows more than their business counterparts. Bad situation. You start hemorrhaging IT and they will have zero resources that know a damn thing on how global regulatory systems work, nor how to maintain them. He stifling promotions and turning everything to cheap resources..it won’t end well.

  444. Bystander says:

    don’t have sponsorship.

  445. Libturd who? says:

    I’m approaching 22 years at my employer. It shows. I am becoming the sole SME on all of our still running archaic systems. :P Like Datalogics. Installed in 1991 and still used in 2021. It’s kind of outrageous really. People call me regularly to ask why and how we use/used about ten different VAX based programs. Somehow I remember. I can’t remember anything short-term, but long-term, I’m like a sponge. It sounds completely crazy, but I remember plenty about my nursery school.

  446. Libturd says:

    Apparently, I can’t remember to not use my real name in posts.

  447. Juice box says:

    don’t worry rain man we will get you a Quantas flight to Costa Rica when the time comes.

  448. Hold my beer says:

    Libturd

    My grandfather was like that too. Could remember conversations from 60 years ago, But couldn’t recognize anyone in the room with him or remember the names of his kids

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