C19 Open Discussion Week 32b

From MarketWatch:

Americans could owe an estimated $7.2 billion in unpaid rent by December because of COVID-related job losses, Fed study shows

A new study suggests that Americans will owe billions of dollars in unpaid rent by December — but that could mean that the nation’s worst fears about the eviction crisis may not come to fruition. 

Researchers at the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia used payroll, joblessness and unemployment insurance data to create a more precise estimate of how many households nationwide are behind on their rent. The number they produced is far lower than the figures presented by other studies.

The researchers estimated that by December around 1.34 million renter households will be behind on their rent as a result of pandemic-related job losses, which equates to roughly 4.2% of all renter households. Altogether, these households will owe roughly $7.2 billion in rent by December, averaging to around $5,400. 

These households include 2.8 million adults and 1.1 million children. The study also found they were more likely to be include people of color or have a woman as the head of the household.

Previous studies have estimated that as many as 40 million Americans were facing the threat of eviction because they had not managed to make full, on-time rent payments because of the coronavirus pandemic. 

The difference in these estimates comes down to how researchers went about assessing who was behind on their rent. Some early studies made assumptions about which workers were most likely to be impacted by the pandemic based on the field they were employed in. Other studies based their estimates on survey data regarding people’s confidence in their ability to pay rent, essentially assuming that many people who were worried about missing their rent payment would indeed not make it.

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219 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 32b

  1. ExEssex says:

    First! Nice debate.
    More civility. Same lies.

  2. dentss dunnigan says:

    Fri First

  3. ExEssex says:

    “It will go away,” Trump said, offering a rosy assessment of the pandemic’s trajectory even as cases have started rising again across the US and public health experts warn that the US is on the precipice of a dangerous new wave.

    “We’re rounding the corner,” he added.

    “We can’t keep this country closed. This is a massive country with a massive economy,” Trump said. “There’s depression, alcohol, drugs at a level nobody’s ever seen before. The cure cannot be worse than the problem itself.”

  4. ExEssex says:

    New American homes in 2016 were 1,000 square feet larger than in 1973 and living space per person, on average, has nearly doubled. The number of Americans who use the internet increased from 52 to 90 percent from 2000 to 2019. The percentage who use social media grew from 5 to 72 percent from 2005 to 2019.
    But amid these advances in quality of life across the income scale, average happiness is decreasing in the U.S. The General Social Survey, which has been measuring social trends among Americans every one or two years since 1972, shows a long-term, gradual decline in happiness—and rise in unhappiness—from 1988 to the present.

  5. Crushednjmillenial says:

    Eviction . . .

    Gov Murphy has kept his eviction moratorium in place since March.

    He has not ended it for any type of landlord – not 2-family houses, not Luxury housing units with very high rent, etc.

    He also has not given any indication about when it might end (for example, he could have ordered that by Jan. 1, 2021, all rent owed through April 1, 2020 must be paid or the tenant is subject to eviction, by Feb. 1, 2021, rent must be paid up through May 1, 2020, etc.).

    At this point, some tenants owe 7 months of unpaid rent. Can you imagine owning a 2- family house and seeing the guy who owes you 7 months of rent walk by every day?!

  6. 30 year realtor says:

    Despite the eviction moratorium prices of small multi family homes have exploded in North Jersey.

  7. BRT says:

    7 day moving average up to 1000, 3 times what it was at the beginning of Sept. Fall is here, disease transmission is more likely than the light/heat conditions that existed all spring/summer. Rate of transmission crossed 1.3. https://rt.live/us/NJ

    People are going to have to admit to themselves that this idea that cloth masks keep it contained is just not true. Effective distancing is more important and good practices are way more important.

  8. BRT says:

    Is a foreclosure crisis really on the horizon for NJ? If you are underwater, can’t you just sell into this Escape from New York hysteria now and get out from under? This shouldn’t be like 2008 where people were beyond that point with massive home equity loans.

  9. 30 year realtor says:

    If you are currently underwater on your mortgage why would you do a short sale while there is a moratorium on sheriff sales and evictions?

  10. Phoenix says:

    Americans in 2016 were 100 lbs heavier than in 1973 and living space per person they require, on average, has nearly doubled.

    Fixed that for ya. And Fox news posted this, it’s factual, and totally understandable. Another award for the Great State of NJ. Most populated, Highest taxes, and now most hated.
    https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/new-jersey-most-hated-state-america-analysis-allegedly-determines

  11. Phoenix says:

    Christmas is coming soon. Jingle Bells, Jingle mail, send it to the bank. You can take my f en keys, place is full of stank.

  12. BRT says:

    Would you even have to do a short sale with the prices people are getting?

  13. Hold my beer says:

    Phoenix

    It’s amazing to see crowd scenes from the early 70’s and then compare them to today.

  14. homeboken says:

    BRT is accurate here. If you are selling short your house, with this market and with rates this low, then it’s either:

    1. Your home is so bad it’s actually decreasing the value of the dirt or
    2. You over-leveraged via multiple mortgages and spent it on nonsense.

    Either way – you deserve what you get.

  15. ExEssex says:

    At Thursday’s U.S. presidential debate, President Donald Trump falsely claimed in an exchange with rival Joe Biden that China is paying American farm subsidies.

    “I just gave $28 billion to our farmers,” Trump said.

    “[That’s] taxpayers’ money,” Biden, the Democratic nominee, interjected. “[The money] didn’t come from China.”

    Trump objected: “No, no. You know who the taxpayer is? It’s called China. China pays $28 billion, and you know what they did to pay it, Joe? They devalued their currency and they also paid up, and you know got the money? Our farmers, our great farmers, because they were targeted.”

  16. 3b says:

    Median price of a house is up 14.8 percent from a year ago, in the middle of a pandemic. This won’t end well.

  17. 30 year realtor says:

    I was only responding to what BRT wrote.
    Underwater equals no equity.

    If you have not paid since the start of the pandemic you are accumulating principal, interest, property taxes, penalties and legal fees in addition to the real estate commission you will pay to get out. Equity vanishes like a magic trick.

    BRT says:
    October 23, 2020 at 8:08 am
    Is a foreclosure crisis really on the horizon for NJ? If you are underwater, can’t you just sell into this Escape from New York hysteria now and get out from under? This shouldn’t be like 2008 where people were beyond that point with massive home equity loans.

  18. Phoenix says:

    HMB,
    America is going to pork up even more. Now you don’t even have to walk an aisle to fill your face with chips and soda. Walmart and your grocery stores will deliver it right to your door.

    Used to have 28 inch doors, Americans could fit through them. Had to up it to 36 inches in order to get the beer/fast food appendage through later. Soon we will be seeing 44 inch doors in new construction.

    That lady in the video looked like an uncoordinated bear cub. He should have just banged some pots and pans.

  19. BRT says:

    That’s why I was asking. Because I haven’t looked closely enough at the numbers and I don’t know. I see some people getting 100k more than what they paid 5 years ago. I would think that anyone that was in trouble since March could still get out.

  20. Phoenix says:

    Median price of a house is up 14.8 percent from a year ago, in the middle of a pandemic. This won’t end well.

    Yup

    In other news Anderson and Pella are coming out with their new line of windows in 2020. Low E glass, automatic blinds, antibacterial and bulletproof.

  21. BRT says:

    When you tariff another country, there is a cost to ensure there aren’t innocent casualties in the market. The soy farmers were put in a position through no fault of their own. It makes sense to backstop them while they shift production to something else. What would you have us do, let them go bankrupt? I get it if you think the tariffs won’t work and shouldn’t have been done. I would disagree, but to each their own. But helping out the farmers who were put in this position is the right thing to do now that we’ve gone down this road.

    It would have been nice if we didn’t spend 25 years sending all of our production overseas.

  22. Hold my beer says:

    Phoenix

    Instead of going on a diet, Americans get a bigger SUV and house.

    When I was pumping gas the other day I had the misfortune of looking into the fast food parking lot next door just as a morbidly obese woman wearing a tiny pair of shorts and with thighs bigger than my waist decided to bend over from her waist to look at her front tire of her giant suv. She had vertical strips of fat on her hamstrings that looked like bark on a 200 year old oak tree.

  23. 30 year realtor says:

    Now that we are nearing the end of the campaign, was homeboken correct on a single one of his hysterical predictions?

  24. Phoenix says:

    “A new study shows that for each pound of body weight lost, there is a 4-pound reduction in knee joint stress among overweight and obese people with osteoarthritis of the knee.

    Researchers say the results indicate that even modest weight loss may significantly lighten the load on your joints.”

    Hello, Door Dash…

  25. Phoenix says:

    We all know which gender decides the type and size of the house. It’s cheaper to keep her, right??

    Some economist really needs to examine that statement because it does not really seem accurate at least today anymore.

  26. 30 year realtor says:

    I have been divorced for about 20 years. Divorce was a very expensive proposition and worth every penny!

  27. leftwing says:

    “If you are selling short your house, with this market and with rates this low, then…
    Either way – you deserve what you get…”

    I think this blog concluded over a decade ago after the 2008 debacle that no one got what they deserved…..

    You think we are actually going to reverse the long running trend of less and less personal accountability, especially with a forthcoming Blue Wave?

    Liability forgiveness for everyone….no amount too large or small, no claim too spurious….

    Between the collapse of financial assets and rampant inflation you will be totally fcucked but, hey, some Leftist assclown will make you feel better by mouthing the words “fair share” during the carnage. From an $11m Vineyard mansion or similar…

  28. Fast Eddie says:

    Median price of a house is up 14.8 percent from a year ago, in the middle of a pandemic. This won’t end well.

    I have two neighbors who have siblings/relatives ready to buy my house. It’s tempting but I have no plans on moving anytime soon. I don’t see rates moving anytime soon, as well. Regardless, you’re either on the sell side/buy side with every transaction. Unless I move out of state, it’s a wash.

  29. Phoenix says:

    Does she not care about all of the trauma she caused? Judging by her reaction, was this really “accidental?” And if a man “accidentally” did this, wouldn’t he be in jail-or lit on fire in the streets?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/femail/video-2180800/Video-Mom-hysterical-accidentally-flashing-daughters-Zoom-call.html

  30. Phoenix says:

    Eddie,
    We need rich people to stay in NJ. You can’t go. Who else will pay for the thin blue line and the zooming couch potatoes.
    We will see your resolve soon when Comrade Murphy sticks an 18G in your left AC and drains another couple of pints out of you. That marrow of yours is really productive. Now all we have to do is get your annoying accountant’s foot off the IV tubing so the blood flows faster.

    Thank you for your contributions to the retirees of NJ. We appreciate it.
    BwaHHHHaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Signed Pumpy.

  31. 3b says:

    Fast: I think it is madness, and it won’t end well. We just hired another person who is outside of NY metro area, last year that would have been a nyc position. People paying 500k for an 80 year old colonial or cape with 12k in property taxes or more, and needing two incomes. All to be close to nyc when their job may be permanently work from home, or they might not have a job. I have seen some of these buyers and they ain’t spring chickens, and with a couple of young kids too. As I said this won’t end well.

  32. 1987 Condo says:

    42-4

    Missed the debate..but did Biden say anything? Just read through the NY Times fact check and noticed they had 42 checks on Trump and 4 on Biden.

  33. Crushednjmillenial says:

    Just an anecdote . . .

    I have a friend who has a job in a NYC small tech firm. His boss, the rich comoany owner, likely makes $500k – $1.5m per year and has been a Manhattan resident for his whole career.

    During COVID, the rich boss moved down to Florida with his family to be closer to his retired parents and get away from Manhattan since everyone has been work from home. Well, the boss has decided to buy a house in Florida and will not be returning to NYC. When the pandemic is over, he will fly in once or twice a week for meetings and such, but otherwise will just be another remote worker.

    Just anecdotal, I don’t think WFH spells doom for nyc area real estate markets, but the wealthy are going to certainly disperse around the us and world a bit faster than they would have without COVID.

  34. homeboken says:

    Tony Bobulinski – say his name 30 year. Say it.

    He is the TB that was a 20% equity owner with H (Hunter) JB (james Biden) and “the big guy” who Bobulinski confirms is, without question, Joe Biden.

    Again, I’m not trying to convince anyone. You TDS maniacs are willingly voting for a POTUS candidate that has sold out the country.

    I don’t suspect you will change your mind. But just know that we all understand what is going on here.

    Can the media drag Joe’s corpse across the line?

  35. Juice Box says:

    “More civility. Same lies”

    Yes Joe told a real whopper. The laptop is Russia, Russia, Russia!

  36. Bystander says:

    30 yr,

    Of course none it came true bc it has been desperate smear campaign. Hunter is a pile of sh$t but he is not the first (or last) in a long line of scummy children from political families. If he committed crime then get him but expect this is die off after election bc it was mostly used to smear Joe. Last night was 40m of real debate but Biden started to wipe floor with him on Healthcare and Taxes (“I did not know I prepaid taxes” LOL..WTF). He went bizarro on ‘least racist person in this room’. This country is in a world of hurt. Joe is not changing it but having big mouth out will stop racist base inflammation and insane/divisive twitter rants. Country needs this more than anything. I fully expect saddest behavior from Nov to Jan. Cultists will go off rails and Dumpy will inflame it all.

  37. Fast Eddie says:

    Looking at O’Biden as just a candidate and trying to understand his policies, I saw a man much older than his years, trying to explain policies in very general terms. “We must do better, we must HAVE a plan… etc.” And all of these plans come at an enormous cost. But they were soundbites and nothing more. When discussing his “plan” for Covid or anything, for that matter, it was high level generalities. He withered as the night when on, looking at his watch during the latter portion, at times sounding really feeble and trying to fill time. He looks and sounds really old. He had a week to rest and he just doesn’t exude anything that resembles leadership. He had a half century (wow) to make a difference and now he’s trying to convince you he has the solutions? And all this, not even mentioning that there is a third person collaborating the fact that he was indeed peddling foreign influence with total disregard of ROI.

  38. Juice Box says:

    Tony Bobulinski just provided corroborating evidence of the bribe to the Biden family, and gave all of his information to the Senate directly this week.

    Somebody needs to be arrested.

    Per the Senate Report.

    On August 8, 2017, $5 million was wired from a Chinese CEFC-affiliated investment vehicle to a Delaware LLC, which spent the next year transferring nearly $4.8 million directly to Hunter Biden’s firm, according to Senate investigators.

    https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC_Finance_Report_FINAL.pdf

  39. Fast Eddie says:

    They need to put Tony B. in witness protection asap.

  40. homeboken says:

    Also, I know we have a lot of Polish folks here, you’ve got to respect the integrity of a guy like Bobulinski.

  41. Phoenix says:

    China gave America Covid-19 as payback for electing Trump.

  42. Phoenix says:

    “We’re on a mission from God.”
    Donald Trump.

    Oops. Dan Aykroyd. Sorry.

  43. 3b says:

    Trump was subdued and conducted himself better than the 1st debate. And he was right in mocking Biden on his BS patronizing folks sitting around the kitchen table nonsense. Biden is a 47 year career politician, and Trump for all his flaws and there are many is not, it’s why he was elected, good or bad. This belief that all will be well when Joe takes office is BS. Yes the hysterics and chaos will be gone, but that’s it nothing fundamentally benefiting the American people will happen. Biden is a bought and paid for politician. He and Pelosi, and Mc Connell and all the rest of these old career politicians need to leave.

  44. Fabius Maximus says:

    1987

    https://twitter.com/maeganvaz/status/1319476492900982784
    CNN’s
    @ddale8
    just a few mins ago: “For a fact checker, you’re kind of sitting there w/Biden. Occasionally you’re like oh that’s wrong. With Trump you’re like the ‘I Love Lucy’ episode in the chocolate factory. You don’t know which one to pick up because there’s just so much.”

  45. 3b says:

    Crushed: Agree to disagree, but I believe WFH will definitely impact nyc metro area real estate prices, the ridiculous premium can no longer be justified.

  46. Juice Box says:

    Tony Bobulinski is meeting with the US Senate investigators today on capitol hill and there is complete media blackout.

    Here is the official letter from Chuck Grassley asking for the records yesterday.

    https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/RHJ%20CEG%20letters%2010_21.pdf

  47. D-FENS says:

    Who built the cages Joe?

    Fabius Maximus says:
    October 23, 2020 at 10:37 am
    1987

    https://twitter.com/maeganvaz/status/1319476492900982784
    CNN’s
    @ddale8
    just a few mins ago: “For a fact checker, you’re kind of sitting there w/Biden. Occasionally you’re like oh that’s wrong. With Trump you’re like the ‘I Love Lucy’ episode in the chocolate factory. You don’t know which one to pick up because there’s just so much.”

  48. Phoenix says:

    Mc Connell does not look so well. I know that look.
    Would you want to get on an airplane if your pilot looked like that, or like Nancy Pelosi, or RBG?

    What the hell is it with all of these older Americans that they just can’t step down when most of them are one sneeze away from an ICU?

    I get it, shuffleboard is not in fashion anymore, but can’t you find someone else to do the job? I mean, we don’t use Betamax anymore either. Mc Connell was too old for Betamax when it came out and would have needed a kid to program it for him.

  49. D-FENS says:

    Trump: Here’s my coronavirus plan

    Media: Trump has no coronavirus plan.

    Biden: Here’s my coronavirus plan

    Trump: Um, you just described my plan that we are already implementing

    Media: Trump has no coronavirus plan

  50. leftwing says:

    “110g Wow. A hedge fund dude steals 10x this much every day and will never spend a day in jail.”

    Yeah, I’m thinking it’s less about the drug cash and more about the 50,000 doses of heroin and eight confirmed fatal ODs…

    “Can the media drag Joe’s corpse across the line?”

    For sure. They’ve totally prostituted themselves. NYT and CBS are no longer anything near bastions of news or objectivity. They’re downright laughable. But the mean, bad Orange Man will be gone.

  51. Fabius Maximus says:

    So was the big Tony B announcement that the WSJ Journalistic side, threw the WSJ Opinion writers under the bus.

    Donnie did not have a good debate

  52. Fast Eddie says:

    D-FENS,

    Exactly.

  53. leftwing says:

    “Country needs this more than anything. I fully expect saddest behavior from Nov to Jan. Cultists will go off rails and Dumpy will inflame it all.”

    I certainly hope so. Go absolutely scorched earth. Leave nothing standing on Jan 20.

  54. D-FENS says:

    Cocaine Mitch likes two things. Trafficking cocaine and confirming supreme court justices. He’s all out of cocaine.

    Phoenix says:
    October 23, 2020 at 10:42 am
    Mc Connell does not look so well. I know that look.
    Would you want to get on an airplane if your pilot looked like that, or like Nancy Pelosi, or RBG?

    What the hell is it with all of these older Americans that they just can’t step down when most of them are one sneeze away from an ICU?

    I get it, shuffleboard is not in fashion anymore, but can’t you find someone else to do the job? I mean, we don’t use Betamax anymore either. Mc Connell was too old for Betamax when it came out and would have needed a kid to program it for him.

  55. Phoenix says:

    about the 50,000 doses of heroin and eight confirmed fatal ODs…

    It’s to numb your mind from the reality of American life. And for some the OD’s are better than stepping in front of an NJ Transit train or jumping off a parking garage.

    Funny thing, saw an Amber alert. Dad took his kid. Made me think Was he really a bad father, or did a messed up system with a lying ex and a lousy greedy attorney or psycho judge do him in? We talk so much about the “maternal instinct” but why would a guy risk so much to see his child for a couple of hours? Kidnapping is a serious charge.

    And his buddies. Wow. What kind of friends do you have to have that will come armed, suit up in body armor, and risk years in prison for you to see your kid for a couple of hours. Now those are friends.

  56. leftwing says:

    Fast Eddie says…Looking at O’Biden as just a candidate and trying to understand his policies…He had a half century (wow) to make a difference and now he’s trying to convince you he has the solutions? ”

    Your analysis is fatally flawed because you are trying to apply logic, facts, and reason.

    There is one – singularly one and only – bottom line on Biden winning.
    Biden is not DJT.

    It does not matter what/whom he is. All that matters is the mean, bad, scary Orange Man will be gone and part of the population for some reason will be able to sleep better. Kind of like your five year old afraid of monsters in the closet at night.

    That is why you are getting Joe. The only reason. Mind bending, but true. No more mean nasty tweets. People will like us again.

    Election politics worthy of a Middle School. LOL.

  57. Phoenix says:

    D-Fens, there is literature to support your theory, but I don’t think his hands look like that from cocaine.
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22257455/

  58. Phoenix says:

    True or false? Greatest Generation paid their taxes. Boomers refuse to pay. But they get fatter and fatter, need bigger houses and cars, and plenty of Chinese goods to make them feel good about themselves.

    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/nov/15/bernie-sanders/income-tax-rates-were-90-percent-under-eisenhower-/

  59. leftwing says:

    Re: media blackout

    Same, no results in that piece of garbage, rag New York Times….

    Although something did hit from 1976 for a jazz quartet. Maybe it was the dude’s dad LOL.

    Sad if it weren’t so frightening.

    https://www.nytimes.com/search?query=bobulinski

  60. 3b says:

    Juice: Does not matter what happens, it will be rationalized away.

  61. Libturd says:

    “Also, I know we have a lot of Polish folks here, you’ve got to respect the integrity of a guy like Bobulinski.”

    Who are you kidding. Mr. B., if any of this bullsh1t is true, was stiffed by Hunter who made some back door deals. If Trump did this, like him not paying taxes, he would say it shows he was smart. And Trump’s Chinese bank account that he claimed was closed and is still open? Pass, pass, pass, pass.

    All of these rich fukcs are deplorable. Not sure why we keep electing them.

    “Biden is a bought and paid for politician. He and Pelosi, and Mc Connell and all the rest of these old career politicians need to leave.”

    3B. You are exactly right again.

    I watched that debacle last night. My takeaway is this. If Trump didn’t spend the last four years placating his base of mostly illiterate dumbasses with stupid Tweets, empty promises and endless lies, he would have been reelected easy. Instead, he buries his legitimate and necessary attempts at draining the swamp and balancing the playing field behind endless playground name-calling, bullying and a level of crassness never exhibited by any leader anywhere. The stupidity of the Democrats to run a pathetic establishment ticket of Biden/Harris can only be trumped by Donald’s inability to shut the F up for five seconds. The Republicans are going to pay some price for letting this perennial failure hijack their party.

    Onward to 4 years of corporate payback and backfilling the swamp with more establishment assh0les. Whoopee. This is how bad it has become.

  62. 3b says:

    Phoenix: I am no fan of the boomers and I am a tail end one myself. I think they are the most self centered, self absorbed, and over medicated generation yet.

    But as far as bigger houses, Mc mansions, that seems to me to be more of a generation x older millennial thing, not so much boomers. With the exception of two friends of mine, none of the rest of us live in houses that can be described as Mc mansions. And the ones being sold in my town are certainly not being bought by boomers. The boomers are leaving. My boomer neighbors, mid 70s have lived in the same house since 1966, and raised 4 kids there, in a 3 bed 1.5 bath house.

  63. 3b says:

    Lib: Agreed. And all these people that will be glad to see the back of Trump, should temper their joy, look what we are getting instead. Sad and pathetic.

  64. homeboken says:

    Re media blackout – CNN and MSNBC have only slightly addressed the Biden crime family but followed it up as “baseless smear campaign” and “without a shred of evidence”.

    There is a laptop with emails, texts messages, photos, videos. Phones with WhatsApp messages , call records and more.

    There are 2, named sources that have gone publicly on record, that they were a part of these schemes and are sharing information and evidence that they can corroborate.

    Just bc you choose to ignore the evidence, it doesn’t mean it goes away.

    If this was Don Jr. And POTUS, he would be impeached/removed in a unanimous vote and he should be.

    If any GOPrs are involved, I can any them in jail too. I don’t care about party politics when it comes to this stuff.

    I agree with above – burn the whole system down, including huge pieces of our “intelligence” communities.

  65. BRT says:

    Here’s the definition of propaganda:

    information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.

    Can you even characterize a single media outlet that doesn’t fit into that realm at this point?

  66. Libturd says:

    Home,

    Trump caused this media blackout. Even before being elected, it was his Bannon led strategy to crucify the press. Even FOX turned on him in the last year. You must destroy the press if you want to use conspiracy theory to brainwash your base. He really is a bozo. Then again, who feels the need to embellish their properties with 100 foot Trump foot long Trump logos?

  67. ExEssex says:

    Getting ready NJ….you may be next…

    Before Proposition 13, local property taxes were the main source of K-12 funding. California school districts had a great deal of autonomy. They had their own tax bases and set their own tax rates. The state guaranteed a base level of funding for each pupil and districts used their local taxes to increase funding to the desired level.

    On average, local property taxes made up 60 percent of school funding, while the state kicked in around 30 percent, according to UC Davis professor Thomas Timar. The quality of public schools was determined by local preference and how much a district could pay.

    In the late 1960s, for instance, the Baldwin Park Unified School District in Los Angeles County spent $577 per pupil. Meanwhile, Beverly Hills spent $1,231, though it taxed itself at half the rate. The reason for the disparity was clear: In Baldwin Park, total assessed property value translated to less than $4,000 per child, while in Beverly Hills, it equaled over $50,000 per child.

    By the 1970s, California’s Supreme Court found this system of funding violated the state’s Constitution. To bring the system into compliance, the state stepped in to reduce disparities between districts.

    ‘They Cut Maintenance, Assistant Principals, Librarians’

    Legislators were working to follow the court’s order when voters approved Proposition 13.

    Because Proposition 13 slashed the tax rate, property tax revenue dropped by almost 60 percent in the year after it passed. “In one fell swoop it really decimated the amount of money available to schools at the local level,” says San Diego State University professor Jennifer Imazeki, who studies the economics of K-12 education.

    The state stepped in to make up some lost local funding, and though a hefty budget surplus cushioned the blow initially, cuts were inevitable. “They immediately dropped summer schools and adult education,” says State Board of Education President Michael Kirst, who was also at the board’s helm in 1978 when Proposition 13 passed. “Then they cut vocational education and counseling. They cut maintenance, assistant principals, librarians.”

    Charles Woodson was an elementary school student in Oakland in the years after Proposition 13 passed.

    “School back then was really, really rough,” he says. “There wasn’t a lot of structure. Each year I had a different principal.” He remembers teachers coming and going, and an exasperated substitute teacher telling his class: “I’m never coming back here again!”

    “I learned how to survive,” Charles says, “but I can’t tell you that I learned how to read and write and do arithmetic.”

    https://www.kqed.org/news/11701044/how-proposition-13-transformed-neighborhood-public-schools-throughout-california

  68. ExEssex says:

    10:56 people aren’t scared of Trump, they are embarrassed by him.

  69. The Great Pumpkin says:

    How old is he? How old are the kids? He’s prob done making big money.

    Coastal Florida have always attracted this type? This is nothing new. If he was still obsessed with growing his business, he would stay in NY. He’s past that point, and someone more ambitious and competitive will soon replace him and his business in NYC. That’s how it has been for over a 100 years in NYC market.

    WFH will bring changes, but it’s not destroying cities, it will actually make them stronger and more desirable over time. You are not going to have 325 million people living spread out in this country in rural areas. Once this pandemic is over, the population will continue its path to hyper dense urban living. In 50 years, the nyc market population will be much higher than it is now. It’s inevitable.

    “Well, the boss has decided to buy a house in Florida and will not be returning to NYC. When the pandemic is over, he will fly in once or twice a week for meetings and such, but otherwise will just be another remote worker.

    Just anecdotal, I don’t think WFH spells doom for nyc area real estate markets, but the wealthy are going to certainly disperse around the us and world a bit faster than they would have without COVID.”

  70. Fast Eddie says:

    I’ve done better under the last four years than the previous 15 years. I’ve advanced career-wise, my investments are growing, my company had a banner year, we’re not bogged down in any major, global conflicts, there’s been peace-signings in the middle east with recognition of Jerusalem, we have energy independence and have advanced an unprecedented response to a global pandemic. But now, you want to go back to the comfort of being unnoticed, fed tag lines and one-liners, creating wish lists, rejoining with global partners so that WE can supply them with American dollars so that we feel wanted and accepted. Your fathers and grandfathers would be slapping you counterculture pacifists like ignominious street urchins if they were alive.

  71. ExEssex says:

    Eddie the end is nigh….how long can the gubmint keep pumping trillions into the bond market to the economy afloat?

  72. Phoenix says:

    Eddie,
    It appears your hemoglobin level is still okay. I’ll take 2 more pints from your right arm this time. I need more of your blood. You can afford it.
    Phil Murphy.

  73. 3b says:

    Fast: I agree with Essex, the Fed won’t be able to sustain this, and I don’t blame Trump, the Democrats would have done the same thing.

  74. Phoenix says:

    Eddie,
    You, as a NJ Resident, owe your part of 200 BILLION dollars to the retirees of N.J., who provide you with the amenities and the wonderful things you receive from being a state resident. You love living in NJ so much-that you are turning down massive profits on the potential sale of your house. This is due to your love of NJ. Please do your part and send your payment to those hard working folks who make your life in NJ the paradise that keeps you here as a loyal resident.

  75. Phoenix says:

    how long can the gubmint keep pumping trillions into the bond market to the economy afloat? ”

    As long as they want. And you will go along for the ride.
    Now take your seat, be quiet, listen to and respect your master.
    And if you choose not to, some men in blue will come to visit you. Do not resist. Resistance is futile.

  76. 3b says:

    NJ is a financial basket case. Down there with LA for lowest credit rating, when it used to be AAA. Best and brightest my ass!

  77. ExEssex says:

    Besides as Lib would say: it’s not what you make it’s what you keep.

  78. JCer says:

    Honestly, I watched the debate. Trump crushed Biden, basically pointing out Biden had 8 yrs as VP 47 years in politics, his entire career and has managed to fix none of the issues mentioned. He got the feeble old man to admit he plans on “ending the oil industry”. Trump did what he had to he didn’t look insane, which for Big Orange Man is always a challenge.

    He was right the Chinese have had to absorb a lot of the tariffs or risk losing orders, the consumer has born little of the expense it has all been eaten by China and the importers. Yes we had to turn around and pay the soy farmers but what are you going to do. China will be back, the reduction in soy purchases only partially had to do with the tariffs. My thought is the swine flu that reduced their herd by a third or more really reduced the amount of feed they needed to import, the Chinese consumer is doing with less pork as a result. If they could produce more meat they would and they’d be buying american soy to do so, since they have no animals to feed the soy is not terribly useful to them.

  79. Juice Box says:

    Bobulinski lawyers just said he will be meeting with FBI today instead of Senate investigators, the Senate investigators meeting was pushed for the criminal investigation instead.

    Lying to the FBI is a crime folks. You think Bobulinski is going to lie about “the chairman” Joe Biden?

  80. Juice Box says:

    Biden and Harris are fracking liars.

  81. Fast Eddie says:

    So, O’Biden wants to crush mom and pop stores by making them pay higher wages and then bail them out with the taxpayer’s dime. O’Biden said government needs to give aid to small businesses. Can someone explain this economic plan?

  82. D-FENS says:

    Uhhhh that’s a stretch…

    Libturd says:
    October 23, 2020 at 11:36 am
    Home,

    Trump caused this media blackout. Even before being elected, it was his Bannon led strategy to crucify the press. Even FOX turned on him in the last year. You must destroy the press if you want to use conspiracy theory to brainwash your base. He really is a bozo. Then again, who feels the need to embellish their properties with 100 foot Trump foot long Trump logos?

  83. 3b says:

    Juice: It’s gets more interesting.

  84. Phoenix says:

    “the Chinese consumer is doing with less pork as a result”

    It’s the Americans that could do with less pork.

  85. 3b says:

    Jcer :I thought Trump did ok too, And he has been right on China, and at least made an effort, as opposed to Obama and all before him, and Joes long career in Washington.

    I also laughed when Joe said he would make the Chinese follow the rules? Really Joe??

    Also interesting in that in addition to calling Kim one, He also called Putin and Xi thugs. Seems unpresidential to me.

  86. D-FENS says:

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-sudan-to-join-uae-bahrain-in-recognizing-israel

    President Trump announced Friday that Sudan will start to normalize ties with Israel, making it the third Arab state to do so as part of U.S.-brokered deals in the run-up to Election Day.

  87. D-FENS says:

    @joelpollak
    ·
    9m
    Peace between Sudan and Israel is very important for symbolic reasons. Sudan hosted the Khartoum conference of the Arab states after the 1967 war in which they issued the 3 “no’s”: no negotiation, no recognition, no peace. To see that reversed today is remarkable. A sign of hope!

  88. Fast Eddie says:

    I also laughed when Joe said he would make the Chinese follow the rules? Really Joe??

    LOL! Right? Is he going to draw a red line in the sand? Scold them? Send them to bed without supper? lmao!!

  89. Phoenix says:

    Blank home healthcare of Alpine, NJ treats caregivers with the respect, dignity and the appreciation they deserve. We pay the going rate, get a mortgage, you should qualify for a cardboard box near the town dump.

    $14.00 – $16.00 per hour for CHHA’s

    Not sure why Granny’s children or grandchildren don’t want to watch you anymore, but they are willing to pay 3x as much and we will keep the profits. Covid pay is included in the rate above. You will need to provide your own N95 should you want one.

  90. D-FENS says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQfGnDtv0z0

    ExEssex says:
    October 23, 2020 at 11:43 am
    10:56 people aren’t scared of Trump, they are embarrassed by him.

  91. Phoenix says:

    “Jcer :I thought Trump did ok too, And he has been right on China, and at least made an effort, as opposed to Obama and all before him, and Joes long career in Washington.

    I also laughed when Joe said he would make the Chinese follow the rules? Really Joe??”

    Agreed.

  92. Phoenix says:

    Taming China now is not going to be easy, if possible at all. You invited them into your best universities, allowed them to purchase land and corporations in America, outsourced your industry to them, and made them financially much stronger. They have strategically taken over hard assets around the world. And they are aggressive.

  93. Phoenix says:

    And yeah, all happened under the Boomers watch.
    Chart tells you all you need to know about them.

    http://www.wmfc.org/uploads/GenerationalDifferencesChart.pdf

  94. 3b says:

    Phoenix: And Joe Biden along with the rest of the bought and paid for politicians sat back for years and did nothing. And now he is going to build it back better??!! He is just as full of it as those who say Trump is.

  95. JCer says:

    Eddie I agree, seems like a bizarre economic plan. Crush small business under regulation than give them a bailout, seems like a circuitous way to redistribute funds. Between talk like that and killing the oil industry I’m not sure how anyone can support this guy, I get it he is not Trump but is he an improvement? At least with Trump he gets out of the way of businesses. Will the “Big Guy” be getting 10% of the money redistributed through the government?

  96. 3b says:

    Phoenix: Agreed it did. But lots of boomers suffered too, when their good manufacturing jobs were all sent overseas. But hey they were told there would be new and better jobs, but they did not materialize. But hey always jobs available for washing old people at 10 bucks an hour.

  97. Phoenix says:

    3b,
    You are preaching to the choir. I’m no Biden/Kamala fan. But Trump is a disaster as well. Voting this election is like choosing to be shot in the head or thrown off a cliff. The end result is the same.

    Hopefully Norad spots Nancy Pelosi on radar and shoots her broom down on Halloween.

    I could see all of them getting together and singing the Monster Mash.

  98. 3b says:

    Phoenix: I Agree. He is a disaster, but he is not a politician and that in my mind is the huge difference, a man that has spent 47 years in politics is the answer to the problems that led to the election of a man like Trump, and now his the solution?? The solution to Trump? Not a big hurdle to jump, or the solution to the problems created in the first place that led to someone like Trump being elected? It’s a fecking joke!!

  99. Hold my beer says:

    Does NJ still use those big voting books and old school voting machines? The ones that you have to sign so the volunteer can compare your signature to the one in the book?

    Texas drivers licenses have a bar code on the back that gets scanned to check you in and verify you.

  100. JCer says:

    Phoenix, China can be brought to heel but it will require sacrifice. They are vulnerable, we built them up way too much, allowed them to acquire and steal too much technology all of this happened under Bush and Obama, I’m not certain that this was a mistake I think these politicians willingly allowed it. They still have a huge population with too many young men not enough women and not enough domestic food production, an economic recession could sow unrest and cause the CCP to collapse. People will accept repression provided the quality of life for 99% is good and getting better, in China life has improved immensely, if it starts regressing people will turn against the party. Those in HK already because of their longstanding freedom are resisting the CCP. We need to wage economic warfare against China and we need to mess up their neo-colonial aspirations in Africa. We need to isolate them from their trading partners in Europe, and I think we might be able to sanction them over their camps for the Uyghurs but it is all predicated on everyone breaking their dependence, we unfortunately rely way too much on China for goods. If we can break their economy and even put them in a slight recession I think we can destabilize the whole country and put the CCP focus solely on controlling the domestic situation which will be their undoing….

    I’m pretty sure this is the scenario Peter Narvarro and Gordon Chang have been playing out we just haven’t been able to really execute it effectively. Partly this is why China has been eating the tariffs, the action hasn’t been aggressive enough.

  101. ExEssex says:

    No, he’s not a politician he’s a conman. Seriously.
    He’s not very smart and apparently doesn’t understand how tariffs work.
    One can understand after watching him for his first term how he has managed
    to fail at everything he tried. Now, he is appealing to the Country’s own failures. Those who are filled with anger and anti-American sentiments disguised as Nationalism. People who look for scapegoats. Sound familiar?

  102. 3b says:

    Hold: Yes they do, but our bagels are better, and we are more sophisticated and cultured and savvy then the people in Texas, except maybe for Austin.

  103. 3b says:

    Jcer : I agree , but it won’t happen, as the politicians are bought and paid for by the corporations and their profits will be hurt. It in turn will be said it’s impacting low income people who will have to pay more, and so we can’t do it.

  104. chicagofinance says:

    Ex: trying to decide which is better……
    (1) The Weeknd – Blinding Lights (1 Hour Version)
    OR
    (2) The Weeknd – Blinding Lights (10 Hour Looped Version)

  105. 3b says:

    Essex I don’t disagree, but again not a politician, but a politician who helped create rate the problems that led to Trumps election is now the guy who can solve the problems. Yeah, perfect sense!! And if we are being honest.

  106. chicagofinance says:

    Does DraftKings have over/under on number of days before Hunter “OD’s”?

    Fast Eddie says:
    October 23, 2020 at 10:20 am
    They need to put Tony B. in witness protection asap.

  107. ExEssex says:

    1:23 ballers only

  108. chicagofinance says:

    The post of the day with the least incremental value to the thread.

    Fabius Maximus says:
    October 23, 2020 at 10:37 am
    1987

    https://twitter.com/maeganvaz/status/1319476492900982784
    CNN’s
    @ddale8
    just a few mins ago: “For a fact checker, you’re kind of sitting there w/Biden. Occasionally you’re like oh that’s wrong. With Trump you’re like the ‘I Love Lucy’ episode in the chocolate factory. You don’t know which one to pick up because there’s just so much.”

  109. chicagofinance says:

    Here is Mitch McConnel from C-Span yesterday…..
    https://youtu.be/0APF3SO9tqE?t=213

    Phoenix says:
    October 23, 2020 at 10:42 am
    Mc Connell does not look so well. I know that look.
    Would you want to get on an airplane if your pilot looked like that, or like Nancy Pelosi, or RBG?

  110. Juice Box says:

    Hunter’s other corrupt partner and board member of Burisma is up next. Devon Archer knows where the bodies are buried. Will he cut a deal? He is expected to be sentenced to 30 months in prison just like the other corrupt former business partner Bevan Cooney who has flipped.

  111. Fast Eddie says:

    I’d love to enter the mind of a liberal and see how they process logic. It’s like trying to reason with that pumpkin sitting on my front porch. I frequently find myself attempting to frame things in a way that liberals understand and then I quickly realize they just don’t know what they don’t know. Aside from that gut punch and curve ball known as Covid, Trump is actually one of the two best presidents in my lifetime. If makes you wonder what the other guys were doing during their time in office… especially the blather, piffle and sales talk from the last administration. My G0d, how woeful the Oblammy administration was looking back on it.

  112. ExEssex says:

    Liberals tend to see things from several points of view.
    Conservatives? Not so much.

  113. Fast Eddie says:

    Liberals tend to see things from several points of view.

    You mean several points of view the way CNN, MSNBC, CBS and NPR see things? And don’t come back with FOX is the same because FOX is a result of the aforementioned. Just like Trump lost money to come to DC to save the country and help people while O’Biden came to DC to make money off of foreign enemies.

  114. 3b says:

    Essex: I don’t agree, in fact I find them very intolerant to other people’s point of view. Some tend to be very hypocritical and a few I know are closet racists.

  115. Bystander says:

    First one term president in 40 years..an abject failure whose insane rhetoric will be laughed at for generations. Dumpy’s narcissistic personality disorder will be studied in psychology classes as prime example of weak, feeble minded getting sucked into cult of personality. This brown stain on R party won’t be bleached so quickly. House and Senate turn blue. His legacy will be setting Obama/Biden house party, the Sequel. Time for Rs to go back into cave and re-think what they believe and who they are. Shameful

  116. Bystander says:

    Sorry, first one term in 30 years..

  117. Hold my beer says:

    3b

    LOL

    I went to an asian mall to vote figuring there wouldn’t be too many non mask wearers there. Only 1 non mask wearer. But since I was wearing two masks it averaged out to a mask per person. I went into the asian grocery in the mall and got some groceries and a 6 pack of Tiger beer from Singapore.

  118. Phoenix says:

    “China can be brought to heel but it will require sacrifice.”
    Yeah, so who gets to sacrifice? Boomer can run out and buy a new car. Boomer’s house is paid off he doesn’t need anything anymore. Boomer probably has the last television he ever needs. So who’s going to sacrifice? The youth of course. They’re the ones who are going to have to suffer for everything Boomer did. And they’re stuck with the de bt that Boomer created.

  119. Phoenix says:

    We waged economic war against Japan also. Economic war can easily turn into real war. Go ahead keep cutting everybody off and see what happens. And of course there won’t be one boomer willing to fight. Easy to talk to talk but not walk the walk. And America was able to occupy a country once, it’s America itself, and it required killing almost every last Indian that existed there. So yeah I guess we’re capable of it.

  120. Phoenix says:

    Chicago, the sooner the better. Of course he probably has narcan on hand. Honestly the guy’s a traitor.

  121. Phoenix says:

    The kiddies I work with taught me some new terms I never knew before. Hi Asian, fancy Asian, and jungle Asian. Guess they have their own former racism as well.

  122. Phoenix says:

    High

  123. Phoenix says:

    I’ll vote for whoever gives us term limits for all politicians and judges, plus who advocates for body cameras for all police officers.

  124. Phoenix says:

    67° late October in NJ. Wasn’t like that when I was a kid. But it is pleasant.

  125. ExEssex says:

    I’ll vote for someone who will put in some safety nets.
    Depression 2.0 it’s coming folks.

  126. ExEssex says:

    2:08 I’ll agree with you in terms of media we’ve got bias there. For sure.

  127. Hold my beer says:

    It’s 53 here in north Texas. Had to put on my big boy pants for the first time in 7 months

  128. Juice box says:

    Some triggered snowflake Finally stole the neighborhood Trump sign.

  129. Hold my beer says:

    Clorox wipes are on amazon. 3 packs of 75 count each for mid November delivery

  130. leftwing says:

    “10:56 people aren’t scared of Trump, they are embarrassed by him.”

    That’s just…..pathetic.

    “Eddie I agree, seems like a bizarre economic plan. Crush small business under regulation than give them a bailout, seems like a circuitous way to redistribute funds.”

    To understand this otherwise circuitous logic one needs to remember that the Liberal mind is first and foremost about control. Economic growth is not the endpoint. Through that lens it all makes sense….control by way of regulation, then more control by providing the financing to mitigate the regulation.

  131. Juice Box says:

    Re: “ China can be brought to heel”

    Not so sure about that, read up on how they are overfishing the oceans, they take approx 40% of the worlds catch and it’s way underreported. They just overfished the Galápagos Islands for Christ’s sake. There is now a fleet of 2700 Chinese trawlers off the cost of Japan in Japanese waters illegally and Japan does not to start a war over it. The coast of Africa is also a problem now too. They locals say the stripped the ocean of all of it’s fish, and they have no Navy or Coast Guard to stop them.

    There was a story out of California recently of Chinese tourists and residents stripping the tide pools bare of mussels and other marine life off a California shore line something like 50 people cited for it by the police.

  132. ExEssex says:

    BALTIMORE — As millions of Americans deal with coronavirus infections, millions more struggle through the pandemic’s economic impact. A survey taken during the height of the health crisis finds COVID-19 may have pushed more people to want government to play a bigger role in their lives. Researchers in Maryland say the number of people wanting sweeping changes in government policy skyrocketed as the virus spread.

    A team from Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and the Johns Hopkins University SNF Agora Institute say support for an active government role in society jumped over 40 percent between September 2019 and April 2020. The World Health Organization declared COVID-19 a global pandemic in March.

  133. Juice Box says:

    Still a media black out on Joe Biden and the money coming from China. From the press conference yesterday at the debate ,Trump’s guest Tony laid it all out. Biden is lying.

    Evidence was provided to the FBI today.

    https://m.theepochtimes.com/hunter-biden-partner-says-he-discussed-china-deal-with-joe-biden_3549559.html/amp?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=digitalsub&__twitter_impression=true

  134. Fabius Maximus says:

    Juice,

    Or the sign owner called Uncle after last nights debate.

    Meanwhile in Jersey. GOP losing in the courts
    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/23/trump-campaign-lawsuit-new-jersey-431626

  135. Juice Box says:

    Fab – All the other signs are still there, no uncle. I
    Mentioned two years ago a retired police officer in town here was arrested for stealing signs during the mid-term. It’s part of the democratic playbook down here

  136. Fabius Maximus says:

    Borat is making a joke of this administration. Not that its that hard.

    https://twitter.com/BoratSagdiyev/status/1319663161071431691

  137. Fabius Maximus says:

    Truth/Small,

    This is pretty much what I said in here.

    “Many people on this website were extremely vocal about their skepticism that far right agitators were provoking violence in Minneapolis and elsewhere during the post-George Floyd protests. More documentation from police that precisely that was going on”

    https://twitter.com/WesleyLowery/status/1319694779052154883

  138. ExEssex says:

    This time it’s going to be diff’rent
    https://youtu.be/Xq428DZI-eg

  139. chicagofinance says:

    right back atcha:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-Fr9KSKf0Q

    ExEssex says:
    October 23, 2020 at 6:50 pm
    This time it’s going to be diff’rent
    https://youtu.be/Xq428DZI-eg

  140. Juice Box says:

    Fab – no skepticism from me, far right and far left each have their share heavily armed crazies.

  141. ExEssex says:

    Do you think we enjoy hearing about your brand-new million-dollar home when we can barely afford to eat Kraft Dinner sandwiches in our own grimy little shoe boxes and we’re pushing thirty? A home you won in a genetic lottery, I might add, sheerly by dint of your having been born at the right time in history? You’d last about ten minutes if you were my age these days.

    Douglas Coupland, Generation X: Tales for an Accelerated Culture

  142. chicagofinance says:

    Gahan hit with giant inflatable banana:
    https://youtu.be/c9OrLpkrFmo?t=119

  143. crushednjmillenial says:

    “When tenants are evicted, they often move in with other family members . . .”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-22/landlords-launch-legal-attack-on-cdc-eviction-ban

  144. crushednjmillenial says:

    3B and Pumpkin . . .

    Good points. I think my view is in between your two views on the effects of WFH on NYC-area real estate values.

  145. 3b says:

    Crushed The difference between my view and that other one, is that unlike him, I have spent my entire career in corporate America, the other one has not. And as such has no real foundation to have an opinion on the subject. Additionally, the other ones spouse is the primary bread winner, an is employed by a commercial real estate company. So the other ones opinion is biased and suspect.

  146. ExEssex says:

    As President Donald Trump jetted across the country holding campaign rallies during the past two months, he didn’t just defy state orders and federal health guidelines. He left a trail of coronavirus outbreaks in his wake.

    The president has participated in nearly three dozen rallies since mid-August, all but two at airport hangars. A USA TODAY analysis shows COVID-19 cases grew at a faster rate than before after at least five of those rallies in the following counties: Blue Earth, Minnesota; Lackawanna, Pennsylvania; Marathon, Wisconsin; Dauphin, Pennsylvania; and Beltrami, Minnesota.

    Together, those counties saw 1,500 more new cases in the two weeks following Trump’s rallies than the two weeks before – 9,647 cases, up from 8,069.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/10/22/trumps-campaign-made-stops-nationwide-then-coronavirus-cases-surged/3679534001/

  147. joyce says:

    5 / 36 = 13.8%

  148. Phoenix says:

    Mitchies wife is Chinese. Why would that rich Chinese woman marry old turkey neck? Damn it looks like the Chinese infiltrated the American upper echelon.

  149. JCer says:

    Juice, you are making my point. The Chinese are Neo-colonialists, they view the rest of the world as dirty people who they can r@pe. The world needs to stand up to China, Trump is Churchill to Bush/Obama/Biden who are basically Chamberlain. We are empowering a truly evil regime over there, how many people are being detained in Chinese camps, they are pushing their borders and are openly hostile to neighboring countries. China is roughly equivalent to 1930’s N@zi Germany. Before you all get on me Churchill was a drunk and not well receive by many in Britain but he was the man for the time, without him Britain would have fallen. Trump is uncouth and just a horrible person, his behavior is reprehensible but we need a leader who will stand up to China not see how much money he can grift off of them.

  150. JCer says:

    Phoenix, McConnell’s wife is from Taiwan. Those are our Chinese even though we abandoned them……

    McConnell is a piece of cr@p, he needs to go as well. We shouldn’t have all these dinosaurs living in the congress for 50 yrs.

  151. ExEssex says:

    Donald Trump bizarrely claimed that if Joe Biden wins the White House senior citizens will have no AC in the summer or heat in the winter.

    The president attacked his rival’s climate plans at a campaign rally in the Flordia retirement community of The Villages.

  152. Dismal statistics, given that the American economy is one of the most diversified national economies in the world and has held the leadership in the global economy for the last 100 years.

  153. Juice Box says:

    Essex – I have been saying for months now Biden cannot run on his record. He can only lie and deny.

    Yesterday in Florida Trump reminded senior citizens of what Bernie Sanders pointed out in the debates.

    Joe Biden is a liar when it comes to senior citizens benefits. As Vice President Joe Biden also worked for a spending bill deal that would have cut federal spending by $2 trillion, including programs like Social Security and Medicare.

    At a March 15 Democrat primary debate, Sanders tried to pin down Biden’s past statements.

    Sanders: Let me ask you a question, Joe. You’re right here with me. Have you been on the floor of the Senate, you were in the Senate for a few years, time and time again talking about the necessity, with pride, about cutting Social Security, cutting Medicare, cutting veterans programs?

    Biden: No.

    Sanders: You never said that?

    Biden: No.

    Sanders: All right, America, go to the website right now, go to the YouTube right now.

    Here is Bernie’s video.

    https://youtu.be/txPOUQbsdhs

  154. D-FENS says:

    Why is that bizarre? Biden told us he wants to eliminate cheap energy

    ExEssex says:
    October 24, 2020 at 1:46 am
    Donald Trump bizarrely claimed that if Joe Biden wins the White House senior citizens will have no AC in the summer or heat in the winter.

    The president attacked his rival’s climate plans at a campaign rally in the Flordia retirement community of The Villages

  155. Juice Box says:

    The cheap energy is natural gas. Florida generates 77% of its electrical energy from Natural gas, without the fracking there will be no gas. Option would be to go back to burning coal, fuel oil, or Increase nuclear. I have never heard of solar panels on a house being able to continuously power air conditioning, maybe with several Tesla power walls and a large solar farm in your yard.

  156. Juice Box says:

    The in ground heat pump systems look attractive. This old house did an episode in upstate NY on well based ones. $25k all in install, newer vibration based drilling smaller rigs etc that can fit in any yard. Still need allot of electricity for the pumps and forced air but no natural gas for heat, works in reverse in winter.

  157. Juice Box says:

    Here is the system and the video from This old house.

    https://dandelionenergy.com/affordable-geothermal-this-old-house

  158. Phoenix says:

    Biden is right on this, but very long term. Boomers are fine sucking down oil and gas, but remember Jed Clampett? Yeah shooting at some food, and up through the ground came the bubbling crude. Yeah, well now you are drilling deeper and deeper in more places for fat a** boomers and their wives to drive Yukon XLs and heat their 6k sq ft homes. All fracking means is natural gas is harder and harder to get to-and eventually that won’t work-plus the “proprietary” aka “lets not tell people what toxins are in it” fracking fluid is polluting the underground water which your children and their children are going to need.
    The more I think about it, maybe Covid was sent from God to rid the planet of these oversized grazing boomers in order to save itself.

  159. ExEssex says:

    Trump’s idea of an energy policy is to not exercise and deplete his human power module.

  160. Phoenix says:

    Florida is one giant nursing home.

  161. ExEssex says:

    I love how the board wants to paint Trump as anything more than the blithering imbecile that he is. Lock him up ! Lock him up !

  162. Phoenix says:

    China is going to take Taiwan. Just a prediction.

  163. Phoenix says:

    That “imbecile” is the current president of the USA whether you like it or not. And there is a very good chance it will continue.
    Of course there is a price that will be paid for all of this. Be prepared to lock and load.

  164. ExEssex says:

    He’s done. F’in moron will lose.

  165. ExEssex says:

    GOP has only one hope….voter suppression.

  166. Juice Box says:

    Essex polls in swing states say it’s closer than you think. If the democrats picked a better candidate without so much baggage it would be no contest.

  167. Phoenix says:

    “If the democrats picked a better candidate without so much baggage it would be no contest.”

    What do you expect from the old people and the boomers today? 2 crypt kickers for potential president, and a house and senate whose combined age is higher than the combined age of a typical Norwegian cruise ship manifest.

  168. Juice Box says:

    Swing state mail in ballot data. Lots of in person voting needs to Still happen.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/15/mail-in-ballot-tracker-us-election-2020

  169. Fast Eddie says:

    LMAO!

    I’m surprised I didn’t read this yesterday. You dems are so intelligent. Coyotes are bringing children over the border. LOL!! How f.ucking stup1d do you have to be to not immediately decipher how the term was being used even if you never heard it before?

    https://twitter.com/SophNar0747/status/1319524700721192967

  170. 3b says:

    Juice: The Dems picked a candidate that allowed trump to be elected in the first place! A corrupt old man! As Joe would say Come On!!

  171. 3b says:

    Essex when Trump is locked up him and Biden can share a cell! He is corrupt, and you know it , but you can’t bring yourself to admit it.

  172. Chicago says:

    FabMax regrets being born in the wrong century.

    100 years too late.

    https://nypost.com/2020/10/24/the-twisted-sex-lives-of-nazis-and-the-women-who-loved-them/

  173. Juice Box says:

    12:30 PM on a Saturday and I am in Shoprite to pick up a few things after soccer matches this morning, average age here look to be 75 yrs old several comorbid Kathys and Kens on scooters too. Darwin in action…

  174. ExEssex says:

    Youth vote alone will deliver FL .

  175. ExEssex says:

    It’s not as much about “Biden” as you might think. The bench of talent think mayor Pete, Kamala, and all the other Obama leftovers will take the reigns of power and oust Mr Orange-face.

  176. Fast Eddie says:

    Youth vote alone will deliver FL .

    MSNBC just said Trump is +2 in Florida which means +7 in reality. I’ve been watching CNN and MSNBC a little bit today and it’s Covid, Covid, Covid and nothing else. They won’t show O’Biden rallies or whatever they are because no one is there. But O’Biden is winning (eyes rolling). Ohio and NC is wrapped up, Minnesota flipped red for the first time since Reagan, Florida is red and after O’Biden’s “we hate oil” phrase, Pennsylvania just turned red after it being a toss-up,

  177. Fast Eddie says:

    The bench of talent…

    LMAO!!

  178. 3b says:

    Essex : Kamala talented?? Based on what?

  179. ExEssex says:

    One week. That’s all yer boi has left. Drink it in.

  180. ExEssex says:

    Universal Basic Income is coming and the rich are gonna pay for it.

  181. ExEssex says:

    I see the Trump caravans driving through town honking today…
    Demographic: White, some college, stupid.

  182. Juice Box says:

    Universal Basic Income? Other than Iran where else does that exist? It’s called welfare here.

  183. BRT says:

    Yes, Donnie will contribute $750 to ubi. Brazos won’t contribute anything until his company posts a profit.

  184. ExEssex says:

    2:57 once the Depression starts you’ll be whistling a different tune.

  185. Juice Box says:

    Depression? How does that happen? Are the banks are all of a sudden going under? Not going to happen as long as they print until the cows come home or we are all dead. The whole world runs massive deficits, no depression anywhere even in Europe which is a basket case compared to the good ole USA.

  186. Fast Eddie says:

    Universal Basic Income is coming and the rich are gonna pay for it.

    What American man would even think of something, let alone say it on a public forum for many to see? How humiliating to root for something like this.

  187. Fast Eddie says:

    Geezus, O’Biden looks and sounds so f.ucking old.

  188. Fast Eddie says:

    Listening to the O’Biden speech, he’s straining so much.

    Here’s the crux of the speech:

    Look, folks… blah, blah, blah…
    Look, folks… blah, blah, blah…
    Look, folks… blah, blah, blah…
    Look, folks… blah, blah, blah…
    Look, folks… blah, blah, blah…
    Look, folks… blah, blah, blah…
    Look, folks… blah, blah, blah…
    Look, folks… blah, blah, blah…

  189. Fast Eddie says:

    Holy shit!! A 20 minute speech for O’Biden?? Omg, that’s it??

  190. 3b says:

    Essex: For a guy who is so sure his boy is going to win, you seem to becoming undone. And you voted for a corrupt racist politician, who is also a liar, and has been lying for years, and yet somehow he is better than Trump??

  191. ExEssex says:

    The only real Americans are voting for Biden.

  192. ExEssex says:

    “[Trump’s] running out of time. Ballots are already being cast,” Kondik says. “His approval rating has not been horrible, but not especially good… The 2018 midterms were bad for him. In 2020, it’s been a difficult year for the country. An unpopular incumbent losing in this kind of year makes sense to me.”

  193. 3b says:

    Essex So real Americans are racist, as in desegregation equals jungle?

  194. ExEssex says:

    Nope those are fake-ass Americans.

  195. 3b says:

    Essex: So Biden is a fake ass American as he is a racist!

  196. ExEssex says:

    I don’t consider anyone racist. Race is a construct.

  197. ExEssex says:

    Money > Race

  198. 3b says:

    Essex Don’t deflect Son, your boy Biden is a racist and corrupt, and a liar. In fact he is all the things you say Trump is, and yet you are voting or already voted for him.

  199. ExEssex says:

    Go Dodgers!

  200. JCer says:

    On the topic of China invading Taiwan, I certainly hope not. It will be WWIII if they do, we would either have to defend Taiwan or roll over and allow China to take it. Issue being it is directly analogous to the annexation of the Sudetenland and Austria, you allow the Chinese to take Taiwan and they will be further emboldened, they will eventually invade other neighboring countries.

    Here’s the problem with UBI, taxes et al. At some point people like myself and others who have been busting our a$$es to earn that Cheddar, will stop working so hard, so Biden makes the threshold 400k I’ll be sure to work less and not earn over 400k.

  201. Chicago says:

    UBI exists in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Alaska.

  202. njtownhomer says:

    I look forward to the end of this election and reading more interesting discussions, instead of Trump Biden garbage. We have enough of this from conventional media.

    Anyone seriously think, any candidate will solve the current issues? This unfair corporate mentality needs to be jolted dramatically if the future is any better than this.

  203. homeboken says:

    Well, one candidt is universally HATED by the life-long politicians and career test suckers in DC. The other is universally LOVES by the same people.

    I’ll take the guy that is hated by DC establishment all day. Why? DC establishment is the center of all problems in this country not ever being solved. Promise, delay, and campaign on fixing it next time. Repeat, ad infinitum.

    Anyone seriously think, any candidate will solve the current issues? This unfair corporate mentality needs to be jolted dramatically if the future is any better than this.

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