So Who Is The President – Week 1

From the Washington Post:

A stomach-churning night of counting leaves the outcome in the balance

Whatever people thought they knew about the state of the presidential race a few weeks ago went out the window on Tuesday, turning Election Day into a tense night of counting and indecision and proving once again that there are no easy elections in a divided America.

Instead of President Trump prematurely declaring victory based on incomplete results from Election Day voting, or former vice president Joe Biden blowing out the electoral map on the strength of a massive blue wave of early votes, Election 2020 instead produced a night of nail-biting, stomach-churning results — with the possibility that the outcome would not be known for days.

With so many states undecided, it wasn’t clear whether this election would be a repeat of 2016, a shocker to the world and demoralizing to the Democrats, or something closer to 2018, when the Democrats’ seemingly slow start eventually became a wave that flipped the House. Either outcome seemed possible with so many states not called. As the night went on, the prospect for a close outcome in the electoral college continued to grow.

There was one clear echo from 2016: The three Northern states that secured Trump’s victory — Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin — appeared poised to play the decisive role again this year. But unlike many other states, none of the three began counting the massive numbers of early votes until Tuesday, meaning it could be days before the identity of the winner is known.

With the election in the balance, the counting of the mail ballots in those Northern states likely will result in legal challenges that could affect which ballots are and are not counted. The president has complained about mail ballots, claiming falsely that they are rife with fraud, and Republicans have sought to limit the time for ballots to arrive to be eligible for counting.

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465 Responses to So Who Is The President – Week 1

  1. LurksMcGee says:

    Ahem…… first

  2. grim says:

    So are we saying that Trump is effectively in the lead, having the current lead in PA, GA, MI, and NC?

    Blue wave did not materialize in any way. Texas and Florida certainly did not deliver. Oh why o, why o, did dems ever hope for Ohio?

    Trump positioned far better than any polls really predicted, no? On the flip, Biden far worse than predicted (but maybe still good enough). Nate Silver really seemed to be hedging HARD the last two weeks.

    Even if Trump loses, there is a big mindset shift needed here. Neither side getting the electoral votes would be a f*cking disaster.

    Let’s hope for late Friday?

  3. A Home Buyer says:

    It’s almost like there is a silent majority (outside of the massive population blue citadel’s that swings the popular vote) who do not agree with Democrats and are afraid to voice their opinions.

    Who’d have thunk?

    Guess we find out in a few days.

  4. Juice Box says:

    213 (called for Trump so far) + 20 (PA) + 15 (NC) + 16 (GA) + 3 (Alaska) +1 (Maine) = 268
    Win Nevada and end up at 274.
    Or
    Win Michigan and end up at 284.
    or
    Win Wisconsin and end up at 278.

  5. Juice Box says:

    A Home Buyer – Silence is the only option. If you speak out against the far left they will want to cancel you via your employer. Companies will not keep you If you say something controversial online in social media. If you say anything that might be against what the left is pushing for. For example to say You are against biological males completing as females in high school sports online. Someone will contact your employer and complain, you will be cancelled.

  6. BRT says:

    Seems like the race is over. It’s kinda like when a baseball team has 8 games left in the season and they are only 7 out. Yeah, it’s mathematically possible until time runs out or the other team wins just one game.

  7. Chicago says:

    BRT. Really? I thought mail in skews heavily Biden

  8. Chicago says:

    Michigan will be in by the end of today.

  9. Grim says:

    Anything based on historicals or polling is highly suspect in the current election.

    What hard data do we have that in this election, mail ballots skew democratic?

  10. Nomad says:

    Chi,

    It does. Look what happened in WI the last hour or so with Green Bay and Kenosha mail in votes. Biden +20k now in WI.

    10 jumped up a bit, anything to make of it?

  11. 30 year realtor says:

    Early ballots including vote by mail were largely votes by registered Democrats. According to reports much of the remaining vote is from population centers which typically vote Democratic. If this is correct it would favor Biden.

  12. A Home Buyer says:

    This election is being decided by Michigan and Nevada.

    Both are going to be nail bitters.

  13. Comrade Nom Deplume, Embracing the Suck says:

    “Fabius Maximus says:
    November 3, 2020 at 11:05 pm

    I’m still at 30% as PA going to the courts and the GOP will try and steal it.”

    Stopping thieves from taking your stuff is now stealing. Got it, Winston. At least you’re consistent.

  14. nomad says:

    Hover over a state to see current counts. There is also a range of estimated total votes. Most of the remaining votes will be mail in sans I believe Wayne Co. which counting resumes this am.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-us-election-results

  15. Comrade Nom Deplume, Embracing the Suck says:

    FWIW, this will be a Biden win after all the mail in votes are counted (and counted again until they get the result they want in SEPA, Allegheny and Madison) but he is clearly denied a mandate. The markets will rejoice at that.

  16. Comrade Nom Deplume, Embracing the Suck says:

    Nomad,

    Nice toy, thanks. PA is interesting in at least one respect: Chester County went for Clinton in 2016 but is holding for Trump. That’s a surprise, perhaps because college students at WCU and Cheney weren’t there to skew the totals. In the conservative T, only one real surprise and that is Dauphin County. Centre and Lackawanna are blue but that is State College and Scranton so that is expected.

    The perennially dirty counties in SE PA, MontCo, DelCo and Philadelphia are trending true to form.

  17. Nomad says:

    Comrade,

    DT +675k in PA. Going to need a big mail in volume with like 75% for JB. Not sure that is doable.

    I think Biden wins WI, MI, NV and maybe GA. Last night around 1:30 am, Frank Luntz thought senate would end at 50-50.

  18. Libturd says:

    I think we’ll have the best outcome for America, IMO. Senate R and White House D. Sadly, this is the best way to keep the swamp from ruining our country.

  19. BRT says:

    I dunno, it’s so chaotic I don’t know what to think anymore.

  20. Comrade Nom Deplume, Embracing the Suck says:

    Nomad,

    I disagree. Remember which counties we are talking about. Philadelphia is long famous for dirty elections and I don’t expect any difference. With the exception of where I have lived, DelCo is one of the biggest poverty pockets in the state, so Biden.

    I shouldn’t have been surprised about Dauphin as that is where Harrisburg is. State Gov zombies voting.

    The big question now is whether #bluebailout happens in 2021. That will be the Yuge fight.

  21. Libturd says:

    Nomad. A little back of the envelope math says it won’t even be close in PA. Last night, with 10,000 of the mail-in ballots counted, it went 80/20 Biden/Trump. There are 2.5 million mail in ballots. That’s 2 million to 500k. Do the math. Not the bias.

    Once again, it’s going exactly as predicted. Except I thought maybe Minnesota would fall and it didn’t. Always expected Florida, Ohio and Texas to go red. Not sure why so many people think Trump has it.

    Of course absentee ballots skew blue. Most the red team doesn’t believe Covid is any more than a Chinese hoax.

  22. Chicago says:

    Adding to 30y’s points about mail in.

    Also note that mail in would suggest a concern about exposure to COVID. Also skews toward Biden. Not bad and white, but an element adding to skew.

  23. Chicago says:

    Black and white

  24. Comrade Nom Deplume, Embracing the Suck says:

    There is still a senate runoff in Georgia and I think that if Biden is deemed the winner, it helps Loeffler. Money is going to pour into that state but Ossoff was defeated in a head to head and the jungle primary was heavily diluted on the GOP side. And with only one race, it will be harder for dems in the Atlanta suburbs and Athens to steal it. If Loeffler runs as a moderate and as a foil for divided government, she retains the seat.

  25. Comrade Nom Deplume, Embracing the Suck says:

    LIbturd,

    If your math holds, then the dems in Harrisburg and Philly won’t even need to steal it.

  26. Chicago says:

    Stu. It’s not all areas around Philly. It won’t be 80/20 Biden. More like 65-35. But that is probably not enough. PA likely goes Red

  27. Phoenix says:

    USA is like Centralia, P.A.

    No matter who wins, the fire is burning underground.

    But now it is spreading closer to an armory and a refinery.

  28. Comrade Nom Deplume, Embracing the Suck says:

    Annnnd, I’m out. Gotta call Harrisburg and argue with someone (not that I will get anyone today, they’re all still hung over or tired from shredding Red ballots).

  29. LurksMcGee says:

    Chicago 8:34

    Reminds me of this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akg5RcYl7DU – Blapples

  30. Nomad says:

    Lib,

    I think PA will be a lot closer but time will tell. I get where you are coming from.

    On another note, Miami-Dade and the Cuban vote is as they say, unique to the country. DT pursued and won this segment within the county with an aggressive radio ad campaign which isn’t terribly expensive. Simple, inexpensive & effective.

    Comrade, what is a blue bailout?

  31. 3b says:

    How did the polls get it so wrong? No blue wave not even close. Dems chose an old 47 year corrupt politician, and people did not buy it. Trump even made strong inroads with Black and Hispanic voters.

  32. 3b says:

    Nomad: Money to bailout democratic run states.

  33. Chicago says:

    Lurks. NICE

  34. grim says:

    James Carville pimping the Pappy Van Winkle was the highlight of the night.

  35. BRT says:

    How did the polls get it so wrong? No blue wave not even close. Dems chose an old 47 year corrupt politician, and people did not buy it. Trump even made strong inroads with Black and Hispanic voters.

    Two reasons.

    1. They are run by biased people
    2. Trump voters don’t admit they vote for him

  36. Libturd says:

    3B, the blue wave might have happened if Biden ran a campaign. He was worse than HRC!!!

  37. Libturd says:

    BRT you are right on both counts, though the polls were spot on, within error (which Trump admittedly did make up the 1-3 points of in nearly every race). If you have all of the error in the polling to Trump, Biden still won it. This is pretty much what happened last time, it the spreads were closer in 2016. This is why I was willing to bet on it.

    The senate polls were horribly off. But the electoral college is doing exactly what they said it would.

  38. Chicago says:

    GA in play it seems. Trump loses that and he’s fuct

  39. Fast Eddie says:

    Michigan turning blue. If it sticks, PA, GA and NC don’t matter. Well, there’s Nevada but that looks to be blue as well.

  40. crushednjmillenial says:

    “Fulton County pipe burst” will be the sarcastic code phrase for election stealing, going forward.

  41. Libturd says:

    I think the stock market called it last night when they had to halt the Nasdaq futures. You get your oversized stimulus with Biden, but it won’t be packed (or should I say PACked?) with campaign contribution thank you gifts as it will still have to pass the senate which is still controlled by the red team. This is probably the best scenario for the market. With that said, I still think there’s a 50/50 chance the market crashes. The job creation number this morning was pretty terrible.

  42. 30 year realtor says:

    I am going to roll a big, fat joint of Sweet Island Skunk and celebrate NJ legal weed! Smoke em if you got em!

  43. Fast Eddie says:

    With an O’Biden win, the only positive is that Covid is no longer.

  44. Libturd says:

    “With an O’Biden win, the only positive is that Covid is no longer.”

    Silly narrative. I expect the numbers to explode after all of the stupid lines at voting places. I imagine PA is going to be a disaster.

    You know what would be cool? If you knew the party each infected adult was registered to.

  45. Fast Eddie says:

    Silly narrative.

    See every liberal media outlet for the last four years.

  46. 30 year realtor says:

    Eddie,

    If you believe covid is a hoax, you are a bigger idiot than I initially believed.

  47. crushednjmillenial says:

    If Biden wins, CNN, MSNBC, and the NYT will drop their Covid coverage by 90%.

  48. ExEssex says:

    Pappy Van Winkle FTW!

  49. Phoenix says:

    One undeniable change however, is the introduction of COVID-19-specific questions on life insurance application forms. “Insurers are of course asking a few more questions and underwriting has tightened in some areas, especially for those with diabetes, asthma or who might be overweight,” says Walker.

    This means that when you run a life insurance quote, you’ll need to answer questions such as:

    Within the last 30 days have you:

    tested positive for coronavirus?
    been advised to self-isolate?
    had any symptoms of coronavirus?
    been in direct contact with anyone who has been diagnosed with or who is suspected of having coronavirus?’
    If you answer yes one or more of these questions, your life insurance application is likely to be postponed – how long for will depend on the insurer but it’s often around a month (after the point of recovery if you actually contracted the virus).

    And if you have suffered particularly serious symptoms, for example if you were hospitalised, your application could be postponed for longer.

    It’s crucial you answer these and all other questions honestly however, and don’t fail to disclose pre-existing conditions. If you ever make a claim and your insurer discovers you were dishonest, it may well be rejected.

  50. 3b says:

    So now we will have drunk drivers and pot heads driving. How do you check for under the influence with pot?

  51. ExEssex says:

    3b that’s tough because of the residual of smoking.
    The good news is people will be driving slower.

  52. Phoenix says:

    “How do you check for under the influence with pot?”

    Left lane @ 45 mph. Either a pot smoker or a New Yorker.

  53. grim says:

    Watching the percentages tick up, looks like a Biden win now.

  54. Fast Eddie says:

    3b,

    Don’t forget the legal possession of specific amounts of blow, heroin and psilocybin. Oregon is touting the latter as psilocybin therapy. This is your father and grandfather’s new America. I’m ashamed that we let them down. How do you drive blasted on mushrooms?

  55. Phoenix says:

    There is a thing called Uber. If we could only convince the drunk stay at home mommies to use it, but then it’s hard to Uber over to the local school and pick up your kids.

  56. Phoenix says:

    “Oregon is touting the latter as psilocybin therapy.”

    All worried about drivers? What “drug” was the guy in the Ford pickup truck on when he decided it was “normal” to ram his truck into a SUV following behind the Biden bus?

    Maybe some medication might have helped him.

  57. Phoenix says:

    Boomers want the tax money from weed, it’s why they voted for it. Anything to line their pockets like Scrooge McDuck.

  58. 30 year realtor says:

    The War on Drugs is a losing proposition. Decriminalization and treatment is substantially less expensive and should reduce crime.

    Driving under the influence? Police have video. If they are truly impaired, it will be obvious enough.

  59. Fabius Maximus says:

    What a pun

    Will Roscoe@Goodish_Will

    And this is the way it ends.
    Not with a bang but with a WI/MI/PA.

  60. Phoenix says:

    Jersey Strong. Guess the other mommies in that town can relate about what it’s like to be drunk and driving.

    “A school board member in Essex County claimed an election victory on Tuesday, two weeks after police said they found her drunk and sleeping in her car near a public school, though some ballots are still being counted.
    The latest results Wednesday morning show that Belleville school board member Erika Jacho has received the second most votes in the six-way race for two board seats.

    Jacho has 2,799 votes and Frank Velez III has 3,072 votes. The next closest contender has 2,435 votes. School board terms in Belleville run for three years.

    “So far, I’m informed that I did win,” Jacho said in a Facebook video posted about 10 p.m. “Thank you for voting. I look forward to another three years of volunteering in our community. Thank you for believing in me and trusting me.”

    https://www.nj.com/politics/2020/11/nj-school-board-member-charged-with-dwi-2-weeks-ago-claims-victory-in-re-election-bid.html

  61. Phoenix says:

    “Gotta call Harrisburg and argue with someone (not that I will get anyone today, they’re all still hung over or tired from shredding Red ballots).”

    That’s one hell of an accusation.

  62. Fast Eddie says:

    Driving under the influence? Police have video. If they are truly impaired, it will be obvious enough.

    How did your son die, Phil?

    He was coming back from soccer practice and somebody high on mushrooms hit him head on.

  63. Phoenix says:

    How did your son die, Phil?

    He was coming back from soccer practice, got pulled over, forgot to put the car in park, it rolled back and he was lit up.

  64. Fabius Maximus says:

    Well that explains Miami Dade.

    This is back in court at noon. Expect Donnie will be warming up the PardonSharpie for DeJoy.

    USPS failed to deliver 27 percent of mail-in ballots in South Florida
    https://twitter.com/joncoopertweets/status/1324025754397671426

  65. ExEssex says:

    11:15 i’m glad you’ve found a new topic of outrage. ;)

  66. chicagofinance says:

    What the life insurance companies do is declare the contract invalid and return all the premiums to you. They don’t reject the policy; the act as if it never existed.

    I think the September 11th Victim Compensation Fund was actually funded with liability insurance premiums that were returned. Not sure of the source, but some combination of the airlines, the Port Authority. I shouldn’t talk. I don’t really know.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11th_Victim_Compensation_Fund

    Phoenix says:
    November 4, 2020 at 10:46 am
    It’s crucial you answer these and all other questions honestly however, and don’t fail to disclose pre-existing conditions. If you ever make a claim and your insurer discovers you were dishonest, it may well be rejected.

  67. chicagofinance says:

    They don’t reject the CLAIM; they act as if THE POLICY never existed.

  68. Fast Eddie says:

    11:15 i’m glad you’ve found a new topic of outrage. ;)

    Nah, I still can’t stomach the left, their weak ideology, their f.ucked up image of what America should look like and the damage they’ve done to people for decades. Btw, the republicans have a super majority in the highest court, gained seats in the house and retain control of the senate. ;)

  69. Juice Box says:

    BREAKING Wisconsin Elections Commission Administrator says on @NBCNews: “All of the ballots have been counted.” Joe Biden has won Wisconsin by 20,697 votes.

  70. chicagofinance says:

    The Trump mommies in Colts Neck do pick ups at the Primary School doing blow on the dash of their Yukons…… no sh!t….

    Phoenix says:
    November 4, 2020 at 10:59 am
    There is a thing called Uber. If we could only convince the drunk stay at home mommies to use it, but then it’s hard to Uber over to the local school and pick up your kids.

  71. Fabius Maximus says:

    WI called.
    Joe by 20K

  72. chicagofinance says:

    You know that kid was kicked out of Andover and now goes (I think) to RBC in Red Bank? If not, maybe Ranney……. my Chicago classmate’s son was kicked out of Andover in the same bust and is finishing up high school in Prague.

    Phoenix says:
    November 4, 2020 at 11:17 am
    How did your son die, Phil?

    He was coming back from soccer practice, got pulled over, forgot to put the car in park, it rolled back and he was lit up.

  73. Juice Box says:

    Wisconsin had 3,684,726 active registered voters on November 1, 2020.

    Seems they had an incredible 88% turnout.

  74. chicagofinance says:

    You short QQQ 11/3, you lose bichez

  75. leftwing says:

    “What hard data do we have that in this election, mail ballots skew democratic?”

    Don’t forget people use the term “mail ins” to encompass all outstanding ballots.

    Early voting was predominantly more Dems – keeping in mind there was also a large slug of independents depending on jurisdiction.

    Equally important, however, is there are jurisdictions with provisional ballots that were cast and dropped off last night. Those are loosely put in the “mail in” bucket and skew Repub.

    Unless you’re talking Detroit or Miami Dade I wouldn’t place any bets on the final skew of everything sitting around in unopened envelopes.

  76. 3b says:

    Juice: Apparently more votes in Wisconsin than registered voters.

  77. Juice Box says:

    No I posted from their website. Registered voters is 3,684,726

    Turnout is about 3.3 million

  78. SomeOne says:

    Is it a done deal for Biden if he wins WI, MI, and NV? Total seems to be 270 — no PA needed?

  79. Juice Box says:

    Wisconsin will do a recount. Law is the margin required is 40 votes in a race with fewer than 4,000 votes or 1% in a race with more than 4,000 votes.

  80. Juice Box says:

    Maybe a recount in Nevada too.

  81. Bystander says:

    Scott Walker does not think so.

    Former Republican Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker suggested in a tweet Wednesday that Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden’s lead in the crucial battleground state was too steep to be overturned in a recount.

    “After recount in 2011 race for WI Supreme Court, there was a swing of 300 votes,” Walker, a Trump ally, tweeted. “After recount in 2016 Presidential race in WI, @realDonaldTrump numbers went up by 131. As I said, 20,000 is a high hurdle.”

    After recount in 2011 race for WI Supreme Court, there was a swing of 300 votes. After recount in 2016 Presidential race in WI, @realDonaldTrump numbers went up by 131.

    As I said, 20,000 is a high hurdle. #Election2020 https://t.co/CEr82eiCWH

    — Scott Walker (@ScottWalker) November 4, 2020

  82. Juice Box says:

    Reid Epstein
    Reid Epstein, in Madison, Wis. 13m ago

    The margin needs to be less than 1 percent for a recount in Wisconsin. Trump will have to pay about $3 million for it unless the margin is less than one quarter of 1 percent. See Wisconsin results ›

  83. No One says:

    Looks like Biden will win unless a recount finds tens of thousands voted twice, in person and by mail.
    As long as the senate doesn’t fall to one party rule, I can probably survive the damage if that can tame new legislation though I wouldn’t put it past a couple of RINOs to flip Democrat for lots of prizes.
    It also creates an opportunity for more thoughtful Republican leadership in the future.

  84. joyce says:

    Juice Box,

    Will Nebraska’s 2nd Congressional District be the margin of victory for Biden?

  85. chicagofinance says:

    Interesting….. in addition to 30Y’s, mine and the below comments, it appears that mail-in ballots are counted sequentially by receipt, with the election day ones coming last. As was seen around the country, the late vote skews heavily Trump.

    Who knows WTF will happen? However, it is kind of crazy that Trump could carry OH, PA & FL and still lose.

    leftwing says:
    November 4, 2020 at 11:54 am
    “What hard data do we have that in this election, mail ballots skew democratic?”

    Don’t forget people use the term “mail ins” to encompass all outstanding ballots.

    Early voting was predominantly more Dems – keeping in mind there was also a large slug of independents depending on jurisdiction.

    Equally important, however, is there are jurisdictions with provisional ballots that were cast and dropped off last night. Those are loosely put in the “mail in” bucket and skew Repub.

    Unless you’re talking Detroit or Miami Dade I wouldn’t place any bets on the final skew of everything sitting around in unopened envelopes.

  86. Seanm123@gmail.com says:

    Joyce your guess is as good as anyone’s.

    Popular vote count is around 138 Million vs 129 Million in 2016. About 3 Million votes separate the candidates just like 2016.

  87. Libturd says:

    Sean…we see your epidermis.

  88. Libturd says:

    In other news…NJ number up to > 2,400 new cases of the Chinese hoax.

  89. Hold my beer says:

    Libturd

    El Paso put up 3,100 all by itself today. That’s like NJ getting 40,000 cases in a day. And El Paso’s hospitals are getting overrun by covid cases.

    https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/2020/11/04/el-paso-covid-coronavirus-cases-all-time-high-spike/6158753002/

  90. grim says:

    Who knows WTF will happen? However, it is kind of crazy that Trump could carry OH, PA & FL and still lose.

    Still watching the counts trickle. That looks to be exactly the case.

  91. BoomerRemover says:

    It’s been what? Twelve years since my first fateful visit to this forum.

    You have all lost your sh1Y since the NJRER reboot. Though I realize this blog has become less about the core themes and more pumps’ stream of thought punctuated by check ins with old regulars, I still feel like there’s been a lot of unmasking happening.

    People who used to see eye to eye viewing each other in a different light since each hoisted their respective party flag up for all to see.

  92. Hold my beer says:

    Biden takes Wisconsin.

  93. Hold my beer says:

    BoomerRemover

    I voted for Phoenix,

  94. Fast Eddie says:

    (Reuters) – Wall Street breathed a sigh of relief on Wednesday, as the latest U.S. election tallies pointed to a divided government that made the prospect of tax hikes advocated by Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden unlikely.

    A reason for optimism. Let the old bast@rd shit his pants all day long, now. A gain in the House, a hold on the Senate. The new green deal? lol! Right.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/analysis-wall-street-cheers-u-185727830.html

  95. Fast Eddie says:

    Maryland, South Dakota and Louisiana approved sports betting; a few states want more pot to smoke; one or two states legalized blow. mushrooms and heroin… when are we setting up the red light districts? From now on, I will refer to Joe O’Biden as President Potter.

  96. ExEssex says:

    Eddie the red team did muuuch better than anticipated.

  97. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Another win? Can’t blame Trump for everything anymore. Music to my ears. Let’s see how well AOC does without a target like Trump around.

    Never in my life, have I seen such petty baby sh!t from the media and democratic party establishment. Since day 1 of Trump’s winning election, it has been a nonstop verbal abuse of the President of the United States. They have obsessed over getting him out for a very long time. What losers. He’s gone now, are you happy? Are people like Lib going to be okay now? All the fat tarts crying about Trump going to be happy now?

    Best part, racism will no longer be talked about anymore. We can go back to life without racism being brought up on a daily basis as a silent attack on the president. Remember, if you voted for Trump, you are racist…talking about lemmings.

    Fast Eddie says:
    November 4, 2020 at 2:43 pm
    (Reuters) – Wall Street breathed a sigh of relief on Wednesday, as the latest U.S. election tallies pointed to a divided government that made the prospect of tax hikes advocated by Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden unlikely.

    A reason for optimism. Let the old bast@rd shit his pants all day long, now. A gain in the House, a hold on the Senate. The new green deal? lol! Right.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/analysis-wall-street-cheers-u-185727830.html

  98. Fast Eddie says:

    Essex,

    I agree. And now you have an old bast@rd who has his hands tied and will get ALL the blame for every little blip. Who’s the left gonna hammer now? And then the midterms are usually a bloodbath for the head cheese man in charge. The red team gained seats in the house, in two years will most likely take over… and then, the investigations begin on top of it all. The left would have been better off with a Trump win. And what about the markets and the economy? Sustainable for four years? Oops, is that a cliff up ahead?

  99. njtownhomer says:

    from twitter , so true

    “A GOP Senate almost certainly means we are heading for two years of de facto austerity, which means a deep recession in the rosiest of scenarios.”

    2 years of progress will most likely be lost. Lock it up the country for good. 2222 mid-terms will be quite interesting.

  100. Hold my beer says:

    Fast

    The left will blame Moscow Mitch. And social media platforms. Everyone has a bogeyman.

  101. relo says:

    Think I read the following here… Every nation gets the government they deserve. Have at it dems.

  102. No One says:

    Pumpkin, sorry to tell you that after getting rid of their number one bogeyman, the Dems and media will find fault with the rest of the country, its people, history, and constitution. Wealthy white men will be targeted first for reparations and struggle sessions and I think you qualify.

  103. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    Lawyer up, fight tooth an nail, and never concede until everything has been settled by the courts. We just saw a national election executed under “make it up as you go along”. Many many challenges yet to raise.

    And if that’s done, and you run out of lawsuits, then turn the entire intelligence and justice apparatuses on Biden and his administration. Spy on their homes , associates and a anyone else you can. Harass the shlt out of them with merit less investigations. No due process afforded. Poison the incoming administration the way obama and Hillary tried to do.

    Initiate a spare no expense, Boundryless special prosecutor packed with rabid partisans against Biden and his 47 years of stealing from us.

    Once that’s done then ride off into the sunset.

  104. chicagofinance says:

    Basically it looks as if all those Californians fled to Colorado, Nevada and Arizona and took their voting cards with them. It cost Trump as any one of those places would have made the difference. Trump loses 270-268? He is going to lose his sh!t.

  105. chicagofinance says:

    I completely disagree with that…..

    ExEssex says:
    November 4, 2020 at 3:03 pm
    Eddie the red team did muuuch better than anticipated.

  106. joyce says:

    Should gambling be illegal?

    Fast Eddie says:
    November 4, 2020 at 2:50 pm
    Maryland, South Dakota and Louisiana approved sports betting; a few states want more pot to smoke; one or two states legalized blow. mushrooms and heroin… when are we setting up the red light districts? From now on, I will refer to Joe O’Biden as President Potter.

  107. chicagofinance says:

    Not a bad call….. all things considered, I think we got a very compelling outcome.

    One thing is clear though…….. in addition to losing 270-268, Trump has to also know that if there was no COVID, he would have completely wiped out Biden in a cakewalk.

    chicagofinance says:
    November 3, 2020 at 11:22 am
    I think it is really close. Essentially, whoever can pull the greater number of dirty tricks will win the day.

    The only thing that remains to be expressed is the level of outrage that the country feels about what has happened to our cities. The vote is going to be a confidential opinion for the masses to see. The only better metric is how people invest money, but that is imperfect as well.

    I am interested.

  108. Phoenix says:

    “And if that’s done, and you run out of lawsuits, then turn the entire intelligence and justice apparatuses on Biden and his administration. Spy on their homes , associates and a anyone else you can. Harass the shlt out of them with merit less investigations. No due process afforded.”

    Don’t forget take your Ford F250 and run them off the road into a ditch..

  109. Comrade Nom Deplume, Embracing the Suck says:

    “Phoenix says:
    November 4, 2020 at 11:12 am
    “Gotta call Harrisburg and argue with someone (not that I will get anyone today, they’re all still hung over or tired from shredding Red ballots).”

    That’s one hell of an accusation.”

    First, I used to live in Philly–I know how this works.
    Second, I couldn’t get anyone in Harrisburg. I guess they are on the front lines still.

  110. Comrade Nom Deplume, Embracing the Suck says:

    “Don’t forget take your Ford F250 and run them off the road into a ditch..”

    Nah, just piss them off and when they cut you off and emerge from their car, shoot them.

  111. Phoenix says:

    Illegal is only legal if someone is willing to prosecute for it and sentence one for it.

    Without a prosecution or a sentence, illegal means nothing.

    Law interferes with what is moral and right.

  112. Phoenix says:

    CND,
    Now that you live in Pa, you can do that. Best you can do here is give them the finger.

  113. Comrade Nom Deplume, Embracing the Suck says:

    “Comrade, what is a blue bailout?”

    Massive federal aid to cities and states but the criteria for the aid will skew such that all of the benefit goes to democratic strongholds, much like Obama’s stimulus was a wealth transfer to Dem constituencies.

    Readers of this page will recall that I harped on this years ago

  114. Comrade Nom Deplume, Embracing the Suck says:

    “Illegal is only legal if someone is willing to prosecute for it and sentence one for it.

    Without a prosecution or a sentence, illegal means nothing.”

    Which is why they can always get away with it. Just ask Eric Holder

  115. Comrade Nom Deplume, Embracing the Suck says:

    “CND,
    Now that you live in Pa, you can do that. Best you can do here is give them the finger.”

    Yep. Which is why we don’t see a lot of that here. ANTIFA and BLM yakked about taking the suburbs; that just got a lot of snickers from suburbanites, especially in ChesCo and Bucks.

  116. Bystander says:

    NBC officially calls Michigan to Biden.

  117. Phoenix says:

    “Which is why they can always get away with it. Just ask Eric Holder”

    Which is why it’s a farce. Why people don’t trust the system. Why they are now reaching out to get social justice w/cancel culture instead of an attorney, D.A., or Judge.

    Post a tweet, costs nothing. Boom done. Much more efficient, inexpensive, and destructive.

    Ok, Karen. Now you know why. Stop it already.

  118. Libturd says:

    Shame you can’t Venmo booze.

  119. Fast Eddie says:

    Should gambling be illegal?

    Keep the masses stoned, bloated and sedated. Give them more bread and circuses. It’s a win-win situation because you get to tax the plebeians even while they’re losing.

  120. Fabius Maximus says:

    Shame you can’t Venmo booze.

    You will always get some that wont pay the bet off. I’m still waiting for someone to settle up on Obama.

  121. 3b says:

    Democrats should have run over Trump, instead it looks like Joe will squeak by with a win. Had they picked a stronger candidate they would have, but they offered more of the same , a retread 47 year career politician. It’s going to get worse before it gets if it gets better. Perhaps secession is back on the table again.

  122. 3b says:

    California voters side with Uber and Lyft, in agreeing that their workers are gig employees and not entitled to protection and benefits of regular employees. Interesting.

  123. joyce says:

    Eddie,
    You are the most patriotic, red-blooded freedom hating American. Very interesting combination. My grandmother loved to gamble… I want to live in the same country that my grandmother knew and loved.

  124. SomeOne says:

    3b,

    Perhaps secession is back on the table again.

    Well… Didn’t take long.

  125. SomeOne says:

    Chicago,

    in addition to losing 270-268, Trump has to also know that if there was no COVID, he would have completely wiped out Biden in a cakewalk.

    I wish it were a landslide for Biden. However, I can understand the pain of Trump’s campaign getting this close to winning a second term and losing it. That may hurt more than a landslide would have…

  126. Juice Box says:

    re: “I wish it were a landslide for Biden” and I wish they ran a better candidate.

    Crazy to think if Joe gets 271 then there could be a real fight in the Electoral College. There is a chance here of faithless electors to tip scales as as recently the last election in 2016 there were 10 faithless electors. Hillary lost 5 and Trump 2. The others were for VPIn fact they could tip the scale for just the VP only.

    This is getting crazy time now.

    Trump just tweeted out he is herby claiming states.

    “We have claimed, for Electoral Vote purposes, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (which won’t allow legal observers) the State of Georgia, and the State of North Carolina, each one of which has a BIG Trump lead. Additionally, we hereby claim the State of Michigan if, in fact,…..”

  127. Juice Box says:

    Crazy time in Detroit.

    They just blocked the view of the absentee count room from the Press.

    https://streamable.com/kbk8el

  128. Juice Box says:

    Rudy Giuliani going off on Philly and Wisconsin. Lawsuits filed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5flrG2jzyLo&feature=emb_logo

  129. Fabius Maximus says:

    Juice,

    The stream is from inside the room. There is a line of press down one side of the room. Makes me think they are not blocking the press. Lets see if the well armed show up.

    Here it comes 2000 all over again. Except this time it wont be one state.

    I don’t think Joe ends up at 270. I think GA will called for him tonight, NC and PA will drop for him later in the week.

  130. Hold my beer says:

    Do you think the Dems will realize they need to run someone from the Midwest or South (See Carter, Clinton, Obama). Even Gore the bore almost won, and would have if he had won his home state. Northeast Dem candidates haven’t won since JFK.

    Instead they keep running establishment candidates from the Northeast Dukakis, Kerry, HRC, and now Biden.

  131. Fabius Maximus says:

    We are heading into Mortimer Duke territory. I think this is getting called faster than they were expecting.

    3B the reality is that Joe is not a weak candidate. He put up record numbers. He eclipsed HRC and even O in places. The first candidate to crack the 70 mil mark.
    Donnie upped his numbers as well.

    The reality is it’s a polar nation and a lot of people pulled the lever for Donnie and thats not changing. This is the new GOP and it will be up to the next GOP candidate to try and hold onto Donnies base.

  132. Fabius Maximus says:

    We are heading into Mortimer Duke territory. I think this is getting called faster than they were expecting.

    3B the reality is that Joe is not a weak candidate. He put up record numbers. He eclipsed and even O in places. The first candidate to crack the 70 mil mark.
    Donnie upped his numbers as well.

  133. Phoenix says:

    Guiliani needs a bottom row of teeth. Would make chewing much easier. And fix that overbite already. It’s not like you can’t afford health insurance.

    I would understand if he were poor.

  134. chicagofinance says:

    You are a hopeless hack. Why do you post such patent nonsense? Just a troll……. grow up…..

    Fabius Maximus says:
    November 4, 2020 at 6:15 pm
    3B the reality is that Joe is not a weak candidate.

  135. Hold my beer says:

    Biden is a lousy candidate and he picked a lousy running mate. If Biden actually does become President, I bet Harris will be viewed the same way Cheney or HRC are within a year or two. Why pick a career politician from California instead of someone from a swing state?

  136. Phoenix says:

    HMB,
    Boomers felt like he was one of them. It’s not the youth that chose him that’s for sure.

  137. BRT says:

    I’m skeptical of the actual record voter turnout. I do think more people likely voted than previous election…of course. But I think there was plenty of ballots mailed for college kids at home who might have had no intention of voting and mom/dad fill them out for their kids and mail em out. Grandparents too. Hopefully not dead people. Probably balances out between both Rep and Dem households doing this.

  138. Phoenix says:

    BBQ, BEER and a Ketamine dart.

  139. 3b says:

    Fab He most certainly is a weak candidate he should have steamrolled Trump everywhere. He is a tired old corrupt politician more of the same from your Democratic Party. It would be nice for a change if you were not so disagreeable.

  140. ExEssex says:

    Looks like more stasis in the gubmint. Count yourselves lucky.

  141. 3b says:

    Someone: Don’t read into my comment if you are to assume that I am so right wing nut advocating secession. For students of history like myself this is a topic, and has been discussed over the last 20 years or so due to the growing divide in this country. As for myself I have suggested that going forward the USA might be better off as a confederation like Canada. Times change, empires come and go. No one ever seriously thought the USSR would disappear. There is no guarantee that the USA will continue to be viable in its present form going forward. Look where we are today.

  142. SomeOne says:

    Juice,

    Crazy to think if Joe gets 271 then there could be a real fight in the Electoral College. There is a chance here of faithless electors to tip scales…

    It believe it can be quite a volatile situation if faithless electors tip the scales. If there is resulting prolonged civil unrest in the US. It would be a very long wait for any buy-and-hold type person to see reasonable returns.

  143. SomeOne says:

    3b,

    I am not sure how viable secession in general is for any one state or a group of states. Maybe with lowered federal taxes, the states may start drifting away in terms of quality of life, and even in terms of culture. It may be closer to a EU like situation, but where overwhelming majorities in every state speak English.

    Or, it will one nation under military-industrial complex and a lot of debt.

  144. 3b says:

    Someone: Don’t know at this point, but the system is not working in its current form. And a serious conversation might be in order before real violence breaks out at some point in the future.

  145. Phoenix says:

    Hope these New Yorkers have some money to spend after overpaying for that NJ crap shack. Many businesses are closing so could use the stimulus.

    NJ Boomers are funny, they vote to give NJ tax breaks to veterans, then sell their house and leave that “tax break” for the new homeowner to pay, then scoot off to Boomerville Bradenton where the tax they voted for they will never have to pay.

  146. Phoenix says:

    Rudy Giuliani needs to take his heart meds, pick up the phone, and see if Borat’s daughter is free tonight.

  147. Phoenix says:

    Hell hath no fury like a white woman inconvenienced.

  148. Fabius Maximus says:

    Its articles like this where I get my 30% prediction from.

    Donnie canceled his WI recount.

    https://twitter.com/radioboy34/status/1324078166340763649/photo/1

  149. Phoenix says:

    America only cares about who won. How they did it does not matter. If you are looking for honesty and ethics you came to the wrong continent.

  150. Fabius Maximus says:

    My kid just nailed a 94th percentile on the SSAT verbal. Maybe I’ll throw an application into Andover for Sh1ts and G1ggles.

  151. Phoenix says:

    This one claiming to be a victim of her husband. Oh please sweetheart, you know exactly what you were doing. You got cancelled by the same tactic your gender perfected and used on Al Franken- who by the way was trying to help your gender. Man up, grow a pair, accept the fact you are out, and leave with grace like Al did.

    https://bit.ly/38cUEMI

  152. BoomerRemover says:

    Kate Hill should own her inner freak. There were some good times, deal with it.

  153. Phoenix says:

    Kate Hill should own her inner freak. There were some good times, deal with it.

    Her “inner freak” as you call it, is fine with me. Nothing wrong with kinky.

    She should, however, accept being cancelled. Her gender should not give her a pass.

  154. Libturd says:

    Biden is a terrible candidate. But the Trump hate is the reason for the record numbers. Anyone who welches on their bets with me will forever be struck with such bad karma that you will have wished you simply made a bet with the mob.

  155. Phoenix says:

    “Biden is a terrible candidate. But the Trump hate is the reason for the record numbers.”

    Have to say I agree with this statement. People are very polarized.

  156. Phoenix says:

    Trump will sue claiming “Force Majeure” like he has done before. He will claim Covid is an act of God, affected the voting so he should be declared Grand PooBah.

  157. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I’ll say it again. Anyone find it weird that tech companies pushing working from home as the future are buying up office space?

    “Tech giants snap up office space even as workers huddle at home
    Silicon Valley’s spending spree offers hope to a sector in crisis

    Technology companies are expanding their offices in Britain even as they tell thousands of employees to prepare for further months of working from home.”

    https://apple.news/AfW8-gDoITWOU3L7plI8tGQ

  158. 3b says:

    Trump hate and yet the popular vote is quite close. He certainly was not a fluke as was said in 2016. Even if he ultimately fails to be re-elected, this is not going away.

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  160. Phoenix says:

    “Even if he ultimately fails to be re-elected, this is not going away.”

    Centralia, Pa.

  161. grim says:

    Trump hate and yet the popular vote is quite close. He certainly was not a fluke as was said in 2016. Even if he ultimately fails to be re-elected, this is not going away.

    CNN is going to need to rethink it’s news strategy in a post-Trump world.

  162. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Nail in the coffin on this movement. The only reason companies opened up to the idea is because they could save money. Good luck having the industry adopt remote work at the same prices or higher.

    “Social media site, Reddit last week became the latest in a slew of tech companies to take a decisive stance on the issue, announcing that it would not cut the pay of its 600 U.S. employees regardless of where in the country they choose to live.”

    https://apple.news/ApNIAmRDDS6e7AQtJbahzvg

  163. The Great Pumpkin says:

    At the end of the day, the only people that really want to work remotely are the nerdy antisocial types, or the older career individuals, past their prime, now focusing on family, and the next part of their life. Any cool cat that is career driven is going to want to work in an office with actual interaction with their co-workers.

    Bottom line, business is a competition. What business will be better at adapting and creating new ideas to survive: the remote work based workforce business or the in person based workforce business? Easy money is on the remote workforce getting destroyed. It’s impossible to compete in the long term. Only bs jobs will be sustainable remotely. One’s that don’t require a team or human interaction to complete said task.

  164. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Why do you think colleges came about? Bringing intelligent smart people together. Remote work goes directly against this principle.

    Go ahead, take a classroom of smart individuals. Have one classroom work remotely, and one classroom in person. Which group will be more successful in the long term? Who’s going to change the world; the group that doesn’t know each other, or the in person group that has developed key relationships with each other? Aka the one’s talking to each other through the screen or the one’s speaking to each other in person (backed by thousands of years of evolution building our bodies to interact efficiently in person with other human beings)

  165. The Great Pumpkin says:

    We were never meant to live our life through screens…

  166. D-FENS says:

    Wisconsin reported 89% voter turnout? Is that real? I don’t recall any state ever getting that rate.

  167. Hold my beer says:

    Pumps

    You have been a wart on the taxpayers’ rear your whole career. You know nothing about corporate life.

  168. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    6 out of 10 uinion households in MI voted for Biden. I cave to assume they included public worker unions, since it would take a special kind of stupid to vote for a guy who spent the last 50 years taking money from lobbyists and sending your jobs overseas.

    Reminiscent of the brain dead state of nj. Re-electing the same Obama turds and do nothing representatives. Consistently the weakest representation in Washington, they do a great job of preserving the status quo, which I guess is their top mandate.

  169. BRT says:

    Colleges didn’t have the option to go virtual in the late 1700s. When I was in grad school, we collaborated with a Danish group by phone/email. I published a paper with them. I didn’t meet any of them until a year after I published and they were at a scientific conference. This was 2003. Same goes for collaborators at UPenn, Harvey Mudd, and University of Chicago.

  170. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Hold and BRT, send your kids to college remotely. Only online classes. Put your money where your mouth is.

  171. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I’m union, and I voted trump.

    I’m not jumping on the rigged election, but these people have a point. You can find multiple cases of voter fraud through mail….right here, in beautiful Paterson nj is one example. People are messed up, that’s all you need to know.

    That’s why I don’t know why the democrats didn’t open up live in person voting. Could have done it outside, and there would be no issue right now. Instead, you took the dumb approach. Good job.

  172. Juice Box says:

    re: Wisconsin (I am not saying that anything illegal happened).

    Here is a report of some very large voter turnout in Milwaukee, including precincts that reported more votes than registered voters, and many at or near 100% of registered voter turnout.

    “The City of Milwaukee reported record turnout of 84 percent Tuesday; 243,144 of 288,833 registered city voters cast a ballot.

    Biden defeated Trump in Milwaukee 195,034 to 48,110, a margin of 145,916. He won 80 percent of the city’s total vote.”

    Of the city’s 327 voting wards, 90 reported turnout of greater than 90 percent; 201 reported turnout higher than 80 percent.

    https://mkecitywire.com/stories/564495243-analysis-seven-milwaukee-wards-report-more-2020-presidential-votes-than-registered-voters-biden-nets-146k-votes-in-city

  173. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yes, you were working with an “in person” group, sharing out with another “in person” group. Let’s try to compare apples to apples.

    BRT says:
    November 5, 2020 at 8:22 am
    Colleges didn’t have the option to go virtual in the late 1700s. When I was in grad school, we collaborated with a Danish group by phone/email. I published a paper with them. I didn’t meet any of them until a year after I published and they were at a scientific conference. This was 2003. Same goes for collaborators at UPenn, Harvey Mudd, and University of Chicago.

  174. 3b says:

    Speaking of nerds who says cool cats??

  175. Juice Box says:

    Was there ballot harvesting via mail in or drop box voting. Probably some and it may not have risen to the level of “illegal” but enough to swing the election in some states?

    It going to be extremely difficult to prove either way, the Democrats in the cities are organized with committee people and ward representative who do work hard all year long to get the vote out. Not saying it’s illegal in any way it’s just how it is done, they go door to door in many communities.

  176. BRT says:

    This is comparing apples to apples. And I might have talked to my boss once a week. Once we started using skype, this became a lot easier. With the things in place now, it just got even easier. I’m not sure why you think this is impossible. You teach right. Those kids salivate at the chance to pick up their phones and drown out the world.

  177. BRT says:

    I’m going to send my kid to trade school.

  178. D-FENS says:

    If I believed Biden won fair and square then fine…no skin off my back. Not my preferred candidate but my sense is the Legislative and Judicial branches of government will keep each other in line.

    What keeps me up at night is I can’t shake this feeling that there is widespread fraud in the urban areas of these swing states. If it isn’t exposed and people don’t go to jail over it…I can’t say I will ever trust another election in this country.

  179. leftwing says:

    Plumbing. Or HVAC.

  180. D-FENS says:

    The other thing that worries me is that Biden will get us into another never-ending military conflict somewhere else in the world.

    ISIS, Al Queda etc…I just don’t worry about that stuff anymore since Trump was at the helm. Seems like most of those things were winding down and the direction was that troops were coming home.

    I just don’t think Biden has the skillset to correctly handle that region.

  181. Juice Box says:

    I think McConnell and Trump made a big mistake. They did not capitalize on the the need for money before the election and could not get a deal done with Pelosi.

    They should have supported a partial bailout of the State and local governments to get the Trump “signed” stimulus check out before the election. Nothing swings the vote more than a nice $1200 worth of free money to the poor folks.

  182. Phoenix says:

    This is what rabid feminism looks like. Some poor sucker in the future will put a bun in this one and it will backfire horribly on him.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8916565/Foul-mouthed-anti-Trump-protester-spits-police-officers-face.html

  183. D-FENS says:

    McConnel couldn’t get the votes. Senators from red states would not vote for it. Blue state bailouts were a poison pill.

    Juice Box says:
    November 5, 2020 at 8:49 am
    I think McConnell and Trump made a big mistake. They did not capitalize on the the need for money before the election and could not get a deal done with Pelosi.

    They should have supported a partial bailout of the State and local governments to get the Trump “signed” stimulus check out before the election. Nothing swings the vote more than a nice $1200 worth of free money to the poor folks.

  184. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You have two options.

    Start a business remotely or start a traditional business. You can only hire, train, and speak to your employees through the screen if you go the remote route.

    Which one will you put your hard work and money behind? Why?

    That’s the real test for remote work. When you actually have to train employees and teach them remotely from scratch. Right now, every single business has established itself through the traditional model. No one trained entire workforce or started their business remotely.

  185. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3b,

    Would you buy a house remotely? And you would hire an entire workforce for your business remotely?

  186. Juice Box says:

    D-FENS

    re” “military conflict” and “skillset to correctly handle that region”

    Yes but Secretary of Defense Hillary Clinton does. She is willing to drone strike a journalist and was able to convince the UN via UN Security Council Resolution 1973 and the NATO to turn a simple No Fly Zone into an all out bombing campaign of Libya of over 3,000 targets hit in 14,202 strike sorties.

  187. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I just don’t understand when Trump was saying for months that he will call it rigged… they did nothing about it. Now you are going to mock the guy for following through.

    Should have used parks as outdoor voting locations. Should have known this ballot system wasn’t going to work.

    It’s pathetic, what kind of country are we that we don’t know who won the election two days later in the year 2020? Total wtf moment. Embarrassing.

  188. Phoenix says:

    “McConnel couldn’t get the votes. Senators from red states would not vote for it. Blue state bailouts were a poison pill.”

    Because red states think they are the only ones that work. United we stand, divided we fall. You could have worked towards the middle.
    Instead you gave the keys of the kingdom to a TV celebrity. Wow.

    So what’s it gonna be folks?

  189. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Great future. Just put the gun to their head now.

    “Those kids salivate at the chance to pick up their phones and drown out the world.”

  190. Juice Box says:

    D_FENS – not sure of that. Pelosi of course baited them for many months.

    Trump’s “Go big or go home!!!” on stimulus was the final directive and went unheeded by the Senate. He was right to push as most of the CARES Act benefits expired months ago. Trump imagined his signature on those 160 million checks right before Election Day.

    It might have made the difference in some swing state cities where there is high unemployment for example Milwaukee has highest unemployment of any city in Wisconsin.

  191. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Send your kids to a trade. So you are advocating for them to learn a skill, interact with people, and not spend their life locked away in their house behind a screen? Got it.

  192. D-FENS says:

    This election is absolute chaos. People don’t trust mail in ballots.

    Here’s a scenario for you.

    Imagine the vote count shows Biden the winner (and it looks like it will). Then imagine the state legislatures in these swing states that have republican majorities decide they don’t trust the vote count…I believe they have the authority to send delegates to the electoral college that pledge to vote for Trump.

    Probably unlikely…but possible.

  193. Fast Eddie says:

    What keeps me up at night is I can’t shake this feeling that there is widespread fraud in the urban areas of these swing states.

    There undoubtedly was fraud but the conservatives and those that lean right will get over it quickly and get back to work. This won’t be a narrative for four years, there won’t be a takeover of city streets, nothing will be burned and Trump supporters will not contract a deranged syndrome. The republican party and it’s followers will learn and move on.

    The republican party is now the party of the hardworking class; Black, Hispanic, White… those who love classical America and the opportunities it offers. The democrat party has become the angry party; a party of misfits distraught over their lot in life… a bitter, indisposed, malevolent group of sour and viperous clans.

    Witness the fact that they lost seats in the House and still have no majority in the Senate. O’Biden was a powerless entity anyway, even more so with no help from the legislative branch.

  194. D-FENS says:

    I think it was more that they didn’t want to reward failure and fiscal irresponsibility.

    Phoenix says:
    November 5, 2020 at 9:01 am
    “McConnel couldn’t get the votes. Senators from red states would not vote for it. Blue state bailouts were a poison pill.”

    Because red states think they are the only ones that work. United we stand, divided we fall. You could have worked towards the middle.
    Instead you gave the keys of the kingdom to a TV celebrity. Wow.

    So what’s it gonna be folks?

  195. 30 year realtor says:

    Fast Eddie,

    Won’t contract a deranged syndrome? What do you call Q Anon? How do you explain the endless right wing conspiracy theories being expressed in this thread about the election?

    What does a “classical America” mean?

  196. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Fast,

    That was beautiful. Well said.

  197. D-FENS says:

    Election officials in districts accused of voter fraud should be bending over backwards to demonstrate that the process was open and bi-partisan to regain voter trust.

    I am seeing the opposite…and Democrats brow beat anyone who dare question how votes are being counted.

  198. Juice Box says:

    BDS – Biden Derangement Syndrome.

    Time to write a book….

  199. 30 year realtor says:

    D fens,

    Which is it? Was it the voting process? Is it the way the votes are being counted? Was it fraudulent ballots? Do you just parrot whatever Trump says? Is it anything and everything because you fear that Trump may have lost? But of course Republicans have no syndrome.

  200. BRT says:

    Why don’t you make Trump look like a fool by making everything as transparent as possible?

  201. D-FENS says:

    https://twitter.com/realJuanCaro/status/1324226324349751297?s=20

    30 year realtor says:
    November 5, 2020 at 9:23 am
    D fens,

    Which is it? Was it the voting process? Is it the way the votes are being counted? Was it fraudulent ballots? Do you just parrot whatever Trump says? Is it anything and everything because you fear that Trump may have lost? But of course Republicans have no syndrome.

  202. D-FENS says:

    @willchamberlain
    A poll watcher in Philly was just wrongfully prevented from entering the polling place

    https://twitter.com/willchamberlain/status/1323615834455994373?s=20

  203. D-FENS says:

    There are countless anecdotal examples like this all over social media. I don’t see any of them directly addressed. Like BRT said, instead of brow beating me into submission…perhaps they could go out of their way to restore trust in the process. If it’s so secure, it would only make Trump look like a fool right?

  204. Juice Box says:

    re” “districts accused of voter fraud”

    By who? Rudy Giuliani lawsuit won’t go anywhere. He has no ability to question anyone to us the power of a prosecutor to cut a deal for someone to squeal, he has no evidence.

    There is no illegal activity if there is no investigation by the legal authorities. In the States in question this would be the State Attorney General or the Feds.

    What happened in Hoboken in 2018 ballot harvesting case was investigated by the Feds but that is ONLY because Democrats were willing to turn on their own. Frank Raia was a Democrat looking to take advantage of the pay of votes program they had for decades in Hoboken that everyone knew about but nobody could prove and they turned on him, one of their own turned and he went to jail but is out already on early Covid-19 release.

    What happened recently in Paterson with Ballot Harvesting that caused a whole new election to happen? Not likely, there won’t be time even if a judge somewhere orders one.

  205. Fabius Maximus says:

    Glad to see everyone working through their 5 stages of grief.

    Eddie Ray, saw this and thought of you with your “I’m going to head to Trenton to bust some heads” for CC.

    https://twitter.com/Alysson/status/1324252988853112832

  206. Fabius Maximus says:

    So are we “Stop the Count!” or “Count the Vote!” Asking for a friend.

    https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1324200240694648834

  207. Phoenix says:

    “I think it was more that they didn’t want to reward failure and fiscal irresponsibility.”

    You mean like the Republican “Bridge to Nowhere?” Bwahha. This is the problem with Republicans, they do the same stupid stuff Democrats do, are just as corrupt, but can’t admit it.
    It’s why I’d rather shred a ballot then vote for either side.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravina_Island_Bridge

  208. 3b says:

    Even if Biden wins and it looks like he will, it’s still a loss for the DEMS. It should have been a landslide it was not, we were told expect a blue wave , not even a ripple.

    And although there is much to dislike about Trump and although he is an embarrassment, no politician could have stood up to the onslaught he endured for the past 4 years. Biden May have won but it’s a Pyrrhic victory.

  209. Nick997nick13@yahoo.com says:

    My issue with the election so far is the lawless nature of it. States have long standing election laws and when the election was not done in accordance with established law it should be challenged. That includes no in person voting, automatic mail in voting, late voting, poll monitoring laws. Lots of illegal voting and processes in those cases.

    Also, the election has a date for a reason, and that reason is integrity. By denying people the ability to vote in person on the known date you’ve denied me my rights.

    Bring on the lawsuits.

  210. Phoenix says:

    Boomers. Given a beautiful country. WW2 was over, we were the leaders of the free world and looked up to. Like children that are spoiled they ran roughshod at the toy and candy store, fattened themselves like gluttons and blew the whole thing.

  211. 30 year realtor says:

    Does “classical America” predate the civil rights acts of the 1960s? Does it predate same sex marriage? Does it still have country clubs that exclude Jews? Fast Eddie, if you are going to use this term you need to define and own what it means.

  212. Nick997nick13@yahoo.com says:

    Murphy has entirely completed the transformation to politician. Taking credit for legal MJ.

    3 years in office and an election ballot question later and he’s taking credit.

  213. Fast Eddie says:

    What does a “classical America” mean?

    Classical America is the place that our fathers and grandfathers fought for, defended and then went on to build the greatest country in history. Something the oddballs can’t comprehend. Keep your quixotic delusions of some all-inclusive, utopian dream to you and your collective, counter-culture commonage. I’m sure it’s a blithe existence in your world. As for QAnon, I still don’t know what it is as I don’t watch fake news conspiracies. So, whatever that theory, idea or premise is, I’m sure it’s yet another outlying fringe, scream-in-the-darkness shriek by the progressive misfits.

  214. 30 year realtor says:

    Nick,

    Be specific about what you are trying to imply. What was illegal? Who was denied the right to vote in person and where?

    Odds are you have no knowledge of election law anywhere and are just another Trump parrot.

  215. 30 year realtor says:

    Eddie,

    I was direct with you. You refuse to be direct with me.

    Misfits? Conform or there is no room at the table for you? Exactly who does this apply to? Who gets to decide? What happens when others decide you are the misfit?

  216. ExEssex says:

    F-U Trumpers

    Supporters of President Donald Trump chanted “stop the count” and “count those votes” in separate protests outside ballot-counting stations in Phoenix, Arizona, and Detroit, Michigan.
    Videos showed a crowd outside Detroit’s TCF Centre on Wednesday chanting “stop the count” and “stop the vote.”
    However, his fans outside the Maricopa County Election Center, Arizona, where Trump is trailing Biden, were filmed chanting “count those votes.”
    The Trump campaign is also filing lawsuits in Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Michigan to stop the battleground states from counting remaining votes.
    Trump falsely claimed victory on Wednesday and made claims of “major fraud” without providing any evidence.

  217. 30 year realtor says:

    Excuse me. Please replace misfit in my previous comment with oddball.

  218. Nick997nick13@yahoo.com says:

    If you have a law, such as in pa, the ballots must be received by X date/time and the ballots are not received by then, they are invalid. Counting them is illegal.

    In nj, the law requires mail in ballots to be requested, they were sent to everyone.

    All these democrat governors put their thumb on the scale where they could, it will be fought. I wouldn’t put anything past the look in MI.

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  220. Libturd says:

    “What keeps me up at night is I can’t shake this feeling that there is widespread fraud in the urban areas of these swing states.”

    Or perhaps the minorities in these “urban areas” continue to be empowered by our government’s unwillingness to listen, even after they caused massive property destruction to try to gain an ear. Perhaps THAT was the impetus?

    As for the vote count in Wisconsin? I’ll believe it when I see it that 40K more people voted than existed. Twitter is not a valid news source. All of these complaints from the right are completely unfounded in any truth. I watched an hour of the news last night (I shouldn’t have). Trump calling states his before the count was completed. Trying to send federal troops in to intimidate the counters. Lies of there not being a Republican monitor in polling places, when there most certainly was. It was too much to watch.

    Who are the radicals now? I would say it’s the Trump asshole supporters that are requiring armed escorts for the ballot counters to be able to leave their facilities. Stopping traffic on bridges. Selfishly flaunting covid. Fukc all of them. Trump created this mess and you all know it. Bannon as a campaign strategist? Just shut the fukc up already. It’s truly embarrassing and pathetic to listen to all of you sore losers.

  221. Juice Box says:

    The fact is the Democrats have has had the numbers for many years now to win, the mail in ballot drive due to the fear of contacting Covid-19 was all they needed to get more mail in ballot participation from their base.

    The independents swung this time to Biden because they are tired of seeing Trump injected everyday into their lives via the news and social media. I mean Trump is the number one topic on Facebook and has been for a long time now. People have grown weary of watching him and hearing from him as he just has no filter and won’t shut F up.

    Some of us thought we would be “mourning” his death due to covid-19 by now actually. That is just another reason why the independents and some republicans voted against him he survived and actually bragged about it while many did not survive and many of us are still fearful of dying if we catch Covid-19, just one of the many reasons.

  222. Libturd says:

    And if you didn’t know it. The Chinese Hoax that wouldn’t be worse than the typical flue and that would have been over by Easter is running rampant over Wisconsin worse than any state in the country. Perhaps THAT explains their high voting numbers. Bunch of parroting morons here. Patriots don’t wreck the country the last time I checked.

  223. 3b says:

    Should have been Bernie or Warren.

  224. 30 year realtor says:

    Nick,

    Pollyanna want a cracker?

  225. Libturd says:

    And if you really want to get me going?

    Your “greatest” president ever, who resided over the “greatest” economy ever and who got the “greatest” number of blacks and latinos to vote for a Republican just lost to a senile old man who can hardly complete a sentence and who essentially didn’t run a campaign.

    Be very proud!

  226. Fast Eddie says:

    …there is no room at the table for you? Exactly who does this apply to?

    It applies to those who have disdain for this country yet have a hand out, claiming an entitlement while claiming to be a member of some cause as long as it doesn’t inconvenience them. Hard-working Blacks, Hispanics and newly arriving legal immigrants are the new wave and are becoming new members of the Republican party. Trump broke new ground, something that has been attempted by the Republican party for years. He achieved it and the left cannot get the disgusting taste out of their mouth that he achieved so much under a relentless onslaught for over four years. No one could have sustained it and yet, he did. Even in victory, you leftists somehow feel defeated. What does that tell you?

  227. Juice Box says:

    Lib – I will agree that twitter is not a valid news source, it’s not journalism it’s just lots of people reacting emotionally online to their own fears and doubts fanned by the many many Trolls out there. Really no different than a year 1995 AOL chat room or a BBS “bulletin board” from the earlier era.

    The voter turnout in Wisconsin is however incredible. The left might want to give that 17 year old kid shooter from Illinois an award for best vote driver of 2020. Even Barack Obama did not get them to vote in such large numbers.

  228. 3b says:

    Lib: Fair points. But we can turn it around and say a lunatic with no political experience, who is an out of control egomaniac, barely lost to a former Vice President with years of political experience. Can the Dems be really proud of that?

    Should have been Bernie or Warren.

  229. 30 year realtor says:

    Eddie,

    You concede the election?

  230. Fast Eddie says:

    You concede the election?

    It’s done!!! Move on!! You got what you wanted… an old, senile, half-century hack of a politician without a resume. How’s that for irony? Numerous candidates couldn’t beat out stumbling Joe. Here is your new face of an unidentifiable party. Good luck!

  231. ExEssex says:

    10:00 Trump has shown more “disdain for this Country” than anyone in the last decade.

  232. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Trump took the political establishment (run by both democrats and republicans) by storm. They took him too lightly and he beat them in 2016. They weren’t letting anything to chance this time around. That’s what we just witnessed.

    So voter fraud can/does happen and it most likely happened in this election. Will anything happen, no, trumps card has already been written by the establishment.

  233. Phoenix says:

    If I were to be a politician, I would primarily run on one thing, the economy. Money makes people feel better. The lack of it makes people angry and defeated. And most don’t want “handouts,” they want jobs that pay a living wage. Let the gun people keep their guns. Let the LBGtqxyz do their thing. Who cares what month what group wants to celebrate whatever they call themselves? Keep your churches, but yes, they should pay taxes.

    Everything else is secondary-and as the voting even shows-this includes the pandemic. Voters overwhelmingly thought the economy was more important than the pandemic. Why? Who wants to live being broke?

  234. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Look at Bernie, establishment took him out twice. He’s such a good loyal soldier for keeping his mouth shut. Wonder what the cost was to keep his mouth shut and do as told?

  235. Fabius Maximus says:

    Lies of there not being a Republican monitor in polling places, when there most certainly was. It was too much to watch.

    I accidently caught a few minutes of Hannity last night. He had some legal talking head legal analyst going on about Eric Trump being told to keep more than 100ft away. The guy was going on about what poll observers can do in a polling place. He fails to mention that Fredo is not an actual poll observer. So those rules don’t apply to him and he has to stay 100ft away.
    The lawsuits in PA are the same BS. Donnie is filing because he is being denied “Meaningful Access”. What he doesn’t mention is the the reason he does not have observers in the locations is because the local party never applied for any. They were probably too busy tying flags to the back of an F150 than to actually file paperwork.

    As usual we get a big fanfare for meaningless BS, that will quietly be withdrawn in a few days.

  236. D-FENS says:

    Verify every vote

  237. 3b says:

    Ex The people like Biden and the rest of the bought and paid for political hacks who sold this country out over the last 30 years are worse. Trump is gone? What now? Build it back better? It’s a joke.

  238. Fast Eddie says:

    He fails to mention that Fredo is not an actual poll observer.

    What does Chris Cuomo have to do with anything?

  239. Phoenix says:

    “Look at Bernie, establishment took him out twice. He’s such a good loyal soldier for keeping his mouth shut.”

    Boomers did not want him, he was pro-youth. Boomers want everything for themselves and use the youth as fodder, this is why they think 18 is to immature to drink alcohol, but yet is perfect for sending them to war to kill children in other countries.

    We talk about how we put children first, but no, they are tools of the adults. And yes pumpy, Teachers are guilty of using them too in order to profit.

  240. The Great Pumpkin says:

    On the positive, trump did what he was meant to do. Fix bad trade deals, fix our military, put in policies to grow the economy long term, and make the country aware of the wolf in our back yard known as China.

    Those career politicians should all be lined up and shot. They are traitors. They sold us out to China to enrich themselves. China would never ever sell out its workers by moving their manufacturing base to another country. No idea how people like Biden, Obama, Clinton, or Bush (both)live with themselves.

  241. Libturd says:

    3b, I’ve been consistent all along. Biden is truly the 19th worst out of the 20 candidates in the primary. He is the most corporate owned of the 20 of them, but Williamson was truly a hippy-dippy so crazy takes last.

    Listen, the best thing that could have happened did. Nothing will help bridge the divide more than the result we are going to get. We all know the DNC sucks and the country is in huge trouble anyway due to our continued mishandling of Covid. It’s like that paper from GS said that I got from a friend in February. Free countries with distrust in their corrupt governments are going to fail as will their economies while Asian countries with much more faith in their governments will control it to the benefit of their economies. The research was quite brilliant. It must be nice to have the kind of wealth that makes you privy to such smart authors. I just have a friend on the inside. He’s not even that wealthy.

    For those not aware, Grim’s Hooch Lab will allow you sign up for a Tiki party. Win or lose, let’s find a night for those who put booze on the line with me so we can all get drunk and realize that both parties suck. Grim, are the tents still up?

    Who was it? D-Fenze, Homeboken and Left Wing? You free tomorrow night? It’s gonna be 70 tomorrow. Should be a beautiful evening to shoot the sh1t.

    We’ll also know by tomorrow for sure.

  242. 3b says:

    Phoenix: I am a tail end boomer and I would have voted for Bernie or Warren. Don’t paint us all with the same brush.

  243. Phoenix says:

    D-FENS says:
    November 5, 2020 at 10:24 am
    Verify every vote.

    Wouldn’t matter. If you lost a second time you would still think it was rigged. Years ago I raced a guy. Beat him 4 times. Kept wanting to race, could not accept my car was faster. I’m convinced if I raced him 50 times he still would have not believed this.

    This could have easily been solved had the democrats put up a candidate that is 2 breaths away from life support.

  244. Phoenix says:

    3b,
    You, and many others, are exempt. Tail end boomers were the ones that the day they applied to the job they were the “second tier.” Got lower pay, got less benefits, the “real” pension plans ended the year before they started. This happened to many of them as the locusts before them were chowing down heavily.

    So there are exceptions. Within the boomers as well. But as a group, this is the deal.

  245. Phoenix says:

    This could have easily been solved had the democrats put up a candidate that is 2 breaths away from life support.

  246. 3b says:

    Grim please unmod.

  247. Hold my beer says:

    I wanted Bernie to be the choice. I wonder what the other candidates were offered to drop out and narrow the field to Biden and Bernie. How many will wind up as Cabinet heads or other high ranking positions?

  248. Fabius Maximus says:

    What does Chris Cuomo have to do with anything?

    I would suspect Credentialed Press.

  249. Phoenix says:

    Boomers did not want Bernie. God forbid you educated your youth. Senior property tax breaks, free visits to state parks and penile implants, free donuts and coffee all while driving your Lexus SUV to your shore house was more important than giving the youth assistance for a college education and birth control. Nope, instead you had to pad the bill with exorbitant interest rates so you could afford your big homes and your Murphy like veneer grilles.

  250. leftwing says:

    “…state legislatures in these swing states that have republican majorities decide they don’t trust the vote count…I believe they have the authority to send delegates to the electoral college that pledge to vote for Trump…”

    I addressed this here a few weeks ago discussing contested elections…Governing law is below, apologies for the Wiki but it is the easiest distillation of very complicated and untested code from the 1800s…

    Competing slates of electors will likely not be the problem, the Electoral Count Act of 1887 was established specifically for that reason so it addresses it fairly well (governors certify, and loopholes around that are difficult).

    Certification keys off of final determination in accordance with laws in effect before election day. My guess is that if there were to be a challenge – a ballsy, black swan type move – that is where the challenge would come from. Some States, like PA, passed new laws prior to Election Day and had them withstand judicial scrutiny through the State’s highest court. Other states, not so much.

    The remedy in that instance is rejecting the slate of electors in total for that State. Basically if Michigan, as an example, did not appoint its electors in accordance with its own laws then on December 14 a Senator and Member may motion that Michigan’s electors’ votes are thrown out. The process around that potentiality is described below.

    More likely may be faithless electors, although I seem to recall some discussion that there is law in place now that effectively allows a State to replace a faithless elector to assure his vote reflects the election outcome of the State. Haven’t researched that, although I may depending on circumstances as we approach 12/14…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_Count_Act#:~:text=The%20Electoral%20Count%20Act%2C%20or,Congress%20following%20a%20presidential%20election.&text=The%20District%20of%20Columbia%20appoints,to%20the%20Twenty%2Dthird%20Amendment.

  251. Phoenix says:

    Interest rates for student loans… And yes they are criminal. Along with how you manipulated kids with college degrees for things you damn well knew were not going anywhere. Yeah, this film describes the filthy education systems in America. Bite me Pumpy.

    https://www.pbs.org/video/frontline-college-inc/

  252. 3b says:

    Lib: I agree. I responded in detail but something I said through me in moderation.

  253. ExEssex says:

    10:57 thanks for that! Will watch.

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  255. Fast Eddie NeedsmoreBlow says:

    Eddie. Lay off the mind altering substances.

    Just think of JPM BOA GS Boeing United Airlines & Health Insurance, and any other corporate behemoth you fanthom to think about that spews out in advertisements “we are part of our community and really care about it” when you spew your baloney below.

    …there is no room at the table for you? Exactly who does this apply to?

    It applies to those who have disdain for this country yet have a hand out, claiming an entitlement while claiming to be a member of some cause as long as it doesn’t inconvenience them.

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  257. leftwing says:

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  258. ExEssex says:

    10:57 Well I have news for you that Frontline isn’t a “FU Pumps” moment.
    It’s a systematic demon that has permeated the system and it’s a shame.

  259. ExEssex says:

    “…..Once you have accreditation you qualify for the student loan system….”
    A school with accreditation is worth $10m….according investors. Bottom line, in a ‘for profit’ college environment there are people getting Riiiiich off of an underserved community. But is it a win/win..? Kids get an education. The big question is what is that diploma worth? Univ of Phoenix > Podunk C.C.

  260. Phoenix says:

    ex,
    Yeah, I know it isn’t. Pumps I’m sorry. Just got carried away.

  261. ExEssex says:

    Great story though…..ARGOSY University for example…..Student loans….”the most collectible debt”….

    On February 27, 2019, the US Department of Education stated that they were cutting off federal funding to Argosy University. … All Argosy campuses were officially closed on March 8, 2019.

    I love the way some of the schools hide behind some “Godly” mission…..shameful.

  262. Phoenix says:

    Ex,
    There was plenty of filth to go around. This kind of crap destroys people’s lives when they are just starting out.
    Like these 2 criminal judges in Pa. Same county Biden grew up in.
    Why should they trust the old goats of America? They don’t have any ethics anymore. How many old goats down the shore claimed their shore homes were their “primary residence” during Sandy?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal

  263. ExEssex says:

    Does Everest College still exist?
    As of 2016, 19 ECMC-owned Everest locations remain in operation. At least 10 more campuses were closed or in the process of closing in 2016. The Canadian branches were not purchased by ECMC and remain closed. Following significant downsizing, Everest graduates still express concerns that their degrees are worthless.

    “Corinthians” college is the parent of Everest.

  264. Phoenix says:

    I love the way some of the schools hide behind some “Godly” mission…..shameful.

    It’s all for the kids. Yeah, sure it is. Today’s women are complaining now that they actually have to watch their children. Like it’s some kind of chore.

  265. ExEssex says:

    11:57 It’s a mix of entitlement, dishonesty and frankly desperation.
    People seem to think they deserve to live a certain way. They want to crush valour, the mirrored walls, the stench of pierre cardin in the carpet. It’s gold plated bullsh@t.
    Yet somehow “some” people cannot survive in the current America without cheating, lying and screwing their ‘neighbors’…I’ve watched some of it continue to be normalized over the last four years. Tax debt? That’s for the little guy. P.S. Arne Duncan is a useless turd.

  266. Phoenix says:

    Ex,
    It’s old, but that is a good vid. Hope you enjoyed. Time for me to head to the salt mines and do that thing only republicans do, work-and pay taxes./s

  267. Phoenix says:

    Republicans cheat on their taxes so freeloading Democrats are starved of money.
    Then everyone else with a W2 pays full freight and then some.
    No love for those folks. Be glad you have a job.

  268. Bystander says:

    Biden just upped his lead in Nevada by nearly 4k votes. The ironies of all ironies, is that FoxNews has already called Arizona so would they not be the first to call election for Biden??

  269. Hold my beer says:

    Nom

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  270. Libturd says:

    So for tomorrow night, I got Left Wing and Gary (Fast Eddie messaged me) so far and Gator is in too. Will try to reserve a 6:45 to 8:45pm slot.

    Homeboken and Jcer? What say yuse? And you crackheads better wear masks.

  271. Bystander says:

    Nevada will take votes with a postmark of Nov 3 through Nov 12. You want to focus on election fraud, watch the thousands of Trump votes that will magically appear with Nov 3rd forged. The stupid Dumpy clowns will probably write “sent November third but UPS man did not take it. Please cownt”

  272. Libturd says:

    I meant D and Homeboken. I don’t think JCer was silly enough to bet.

  273. D-FENS says:

    Key phrase here is “in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct”

    Each state now uses a popular vote to send “electors” to the Electoral College, but they have the power to use any method they like.

    In theory, they could send the electors they want.

    Article II. Section 1

    Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors, equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or person holding an office of trust or profit under the United States, shall be appointed an elector.

  274. D-FENS says:

    MI, PA, WI, AZ, & GA all have Republican majority Legislatures

  275. D-FENS says:

    It is not the voters that have the power to send electors to the Electoral College…it is the Legislatures.

  276. Fabius Maximus says:

    3b, the Irish Press are not holding back.

    A liar and a cheat to the bitter end.
    https://twitter.com/BrentToderian/status/1324406000607059969

  277. Libturd says:

    Talk about election stealing attempts.

    Appointment confirmed for tomorrow night at Silk City. 6:45 pm. Gator and I should be there on time. Kid has a home game at Floyd and drop off is at 5:45pm. We’ll grab a bite and will head over. I still have a few free burritos from Chipotle, so maybe we’ll do that on the way.

  278. NJGator says:

    @Lib – If there are going to be more than 4 tomorrow, we need to reserve an extra table. This ain’t Cuban Petes.

  279. Fabius Maximus says:

    Lib,

    I would show up for Tiki Time, but I think if I did, there would be a lower turnout.

    Grim, if on the off chance people do payup for me, put them on hold and send them down to Sharon, the next time she hits you up for her school fundraiser.

  280. chicagofinance says:

    What kind of comment is this? You are a complete troll.

    Fabius Maximus says:
    November 5, 2020 at 9:33 am
    Glad to see everyone working through their 5 stages of grief.

  281. Fabius Maximus says:

    D-FENS

    Part of the legacy of Bush Vs Gore is that it set a precedent. Kavanaugh telegraphed it in his majority opinion a few week back. The State Legislatures can send who they want to vote how they want. Question is, would they have the stones to send a delegation to vote for Trump if the Secretary of State declares the state to Biden?

  282. Libturd says:

    And maybe some broken bottles.

    Nah. You would cancel out Fast Eddie.

  283. Fabius Maximus says:

    Slow day at the shop Chi?

    No clients to complain about?

  284. Fabius Maximus says:

    I think Gary would suddenly discover a big bag of socks that he urgently needs to pair.

  285. D-FENS says:

    PA secretary of state already declared Biden the winner before a single vote was counted. Seems a tad inappropriate. PA legislators are calling for his resignation.

    Oct 31, 2020

    @JoshShapiroPA
    If all the votes are added up in PA, Trump is going to lose. That’s why he’s working overtime to subtract as many votes as possible from this process.

    For the record, he’s 0-6 against us in court. We’ve protected voting rights. Now, ignore the noise—vote!

  286. Libturd says:

    https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/04/fact-check-wisconsin-did-not-have-more-votes-than-registered-voters/6166062002/

    For those who believe Twitter, pissing dossiers and pissed off business partners.

    Just finished Borat. Joe might be creepy, but Giuliani is a downright disgusting pervert. Somehow, he is still one of Trump’s lead lawyers.

  287. Libturd says:

    “@JoshShapiroPA
    If all the votes are added up in PA, Trump is going to lose. That’s why he’s working overtime to subtract as many votes as possible from this process.”

    And the legal grounds for his resignation are?

  288. ExEssex says:

    1:45 it’s your digestive system though Silk City should cleanse whatever Chipotle should introduce…..have fun ya bastawds.

  289. D-FENS says:

    They still will not let observers into Philly ballot counting centers after being given a court order.

    https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1324409681163538432?s=20

  290. 3b says:

    Fab: That’s no surprise all my relatives and my wife’s relatives despise Trump, they don’t understand how Americans voted for him. They think Obama is a God , and Bill Clinton too. At least with Clinton I can understand, there would have been no peace process without him. The Irish don’t like Republicans/Conservatives, and yet they vote for that shower in Fianna Gael. Two center right parties that’s why I combined their names. And of course one of them famous for Section 31 back in the 70s. Their so called Labor party is a joke, and they won’t vote Sinn Fein because of their past. Their independents seem pretty worthless as well.
    So they have their own problems.

  291. D-FENS says:

    Why are ballot counting centers acting this way? If the process is legitimate there should be nothing to hide.

  292. chicagofinance says:

    A lie.

    Fabius Maximus says:
    November 5, 2020 at 10:24 am
    I accidently caught a few minutes of Hannity last night.

  293. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    And who sponsored the lobbyist legislation that trapped people in hopeless student loans?

    It’s no wonder the stock market has shot up. They got their man.

    A lot people have said they want an outsider. Someone who isnt beholden to the swamp.

    We had that. And when the establishment closed ranks did what they could to destroy him, those same people took the bait.

  294. Fabius Maximus says:

    Oh the irony!

    If NV goes for Joe, Fox is stuck being the first to call it for Joe or have to reverse their call on AZ. No wonder the MAGA heads are freaking out and chanting Fox News S0cks

    https://twitter.com/KevinMKruse/status/1324435658551791618

  295. Libturd says:

    Why are ballot counting centers acting this way? If the process is legitimate there should be nothing to hide.

    Like Trump’s taxes?

    Shame they didn’t request a monitor before the election, no?

  296. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It’s alright, being a teacher, I’m used to it. I survived the “Christie years.”

    I’m right there with you. I believe in doing the right thing. Too bad there are a bunch of workers in any field and any title, letting human nature get the best of them and doing the wrong thing. When you have a job to do; do it and do it to the best of your ability. Too bad a bunch of losers waste their energy trying to get out of working or figuring out a way to get someone to do their job. People want a “good” society, but fail to do their part to make said system good.

    Always tell my students; if everyone chose to do the right thing and treat others the way they want to be treated, the world will be a good place. It’s on you and me, based on our actions and choices, whether we get to live in a good world or not. So make the right the choice for the greater good.

    It’s like when I go to the supermarket. I return the shopping cart, not because I’m getting anything out of it, just because it is the right thing to do.

    Phoenix says:
    November 5, 2020 at 11:52 am
    ex,
    Yeah, I know it isn’t. Pumps I’m sorry. Just got carried away.

  297. Libturd says:

    Perhaps instead of shutting down bridges, Trump’s minions should have spent a little bit of time crossing their T’s and dotting their I’s.

  298. chicagofinance says:

    gutless coward…..

    Fabius Maximus says:
    November 5, 2020 at 1:56 pm
    I would show up for Tiki Time, but I think if I did, there would be a lower turnout.

  299. chicagofinance says:

    Outdoors, right? Well ventilated?

    Libturd says:
    November 5, 2020 at 1:45 pm
    I still have a few free burritos from Chipotle, so maybe we’ll do that on the way.

  300. 3b says:

    Where is Silk City?

  301. Comrade Nom Deplume, Embracing the Suck says:

    “Hold my beer says:
    November 5, 2020 at 12:39 pm
    Nom

    Do any models have the ability to generate their own electricity so they keep running if their is a power outage?”

    I’ve never heard of such a thing.

  302. Libturd says:

    Chi,

    Not sure if their tent is still set up, but they are really Covid crazy. My wife knows the bartender and she wouldn’t work there if it wasn’t. This is Grim’s place we are talking about. Not some gym in Bellmawr. Would be great if you made it.

  303. Libturd says:

    3B, google silk city distillers

  304. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Office buildings will not meet the same fate as regional malls, whose business has been systematically eroded by Amazon.com Inc. and the rise of e-commerce over the last decade, Vornado Realty Trust Chairman and CEO Steven Roth said Nov. 4.

    “There is a school of thought that says that work-from-home is to office values as Amazon is to retail values,” Roth said during the Q&A segment of the company’s third-quarter earnings call. “The answer is that that’s something that we talk about every day.”

    Citigroup analyst Michael Bilerman posed the question to management, citing retail landlords’ pat responses to similar questions about Amazon and other online retailers in the early days of e-commerce. The market seems to indicate a similarly disruptive trend may be developing around remote work, the analyst said.

    “It was obviously unthinkable that hundreds of billions of dollars of value could be destroyed, but lo and behold, it has happened,” Roth said of the retail real estate market. “It’s obviously unthinkable that all the automobile companies could go broke, but along comes Tesla. So we are very respectful of the question that you ask, and we think about it daily.”

    Roth went on to defend the long-term viability of commercial office product. The “human condition speaks to collegial work” that plays out best in office space, he said. The office market will get “nipped around the edges” to some degree, but it is not going the way of malls, Roth added.

    “If you work from your kitchen table, and your kids are crawling at your feet, and you are not with your colleagues — that’s not a great outcome,” he said. “If you are ambitious and want to get ahead, you can’t get ahead from your kitchen table. You have to be in the office with your colleagues. If you are a manager and you have 20 people in your department that work for you … I don’t know how you manage that.”

    Vornado shares sold off around 6.00% on Nov. 4 as the broader markets rallied in the immediate aftermath of the U.S. presidential election. The company collected 93% of rents due during the third quarter, or 95% including rent deferrals, and wrote off roughly $13.9 million of receivables arising from the straight-lining of rents, according to the company’s Nov. 2 earnings release.

    This article was published by S&P Global Market Intelligence and not by S&P Global Ratings, which is a separately managed division of S&P Global.

  305. Phoenix says:

    Just wear 95 masks and drink through two micron straws.

  306. Libturd says:

    Back away from Twitter D. The dude is only opening envelopes.

    How Vote By Mail Ballots Are Counted
    We welcome and encourage members of the public to visit our office and observe how we process and count ballots.
    Once ballots are returned to Yolo County Elections, the ballot will follow several steps before being tabulated and added to results:

    1. Sorting: Yolo County Elections utilizes a mail sorting machine provided by Runbeck Election Services, Inc. This machine will first scan the returned ballot packets for the voter’s signature. It will also scan a barcode to acknowledge receipt. Once the signature has been verified or challenged, the verified ballot packet will be cut open by the machine. Challenged ballot packets will be held in secure storage, not to be counted, until the challenge has been cured and the signature verified.

    2. Signature Verification: Before any ballot is counted, we must compare the signature provided with the signatures on file in the voter’s record. Our staff look for similar characteristics, such as height, slant, and spacing of letters. If the signatures match, the ballot packet will go next to opening. If not, the ballot packet is flagged for further review. This requires the voter to resolve the issue before their ballot can be counted. Many challenges occur simply because the voter did not sign the return envelope. Most others are because the signatures do not match closely enough. If there is an issue of any kind, Yolo County Elections contacts the voter by letter, as well as by phone and email if we have that contact information on record. All instructions the voter needs to resolve the issue are included and our contact information is highlighted strongly for anyone with questions.

    3. Opening: Opening is one of the most manual steps in the process. Working in teams of two, openers work batches of 600 at a time. First, they remove the voted ballot from the return envelope. This is the moment in which the voter’s identity is forever severed from their ballot and their selections. Next, once all return envelopes have been emptied, they are zip tied together. Finally, ballots are unfolded and inspected to ensure they will go through the scanner with no issues. Ballots with physical damage are sent to Ballot duplication teams of two who will manually duplicate the ballot.

    4. Scanning: A machine scans the ballots, front and back, and stores the digital image on our secure, closed system for tabulation.

    5. Ballot Review: Once ballots are scanned; ballot review staff work to review all questionable marks and to ensure votes are counted as the voter intended. Staff use the Voter Intent Manual from the California Secretary of State’s Office to consistently determine voter intent across county.

    6. Tabulation: Tabulation occurs after 8 p.m. on Election Day when initial results are produced and made public. Ballots continue to be processed, votes counted, and results shared until the election is certified. Certification periods differ based on the type of election and range from 28 to 30 days.

    7. Results: Initial results are posted to the Yolo County Elections website around 8:15 p.m. on Election Day and generally include results from vote by mail ballots received by our office prior before Election Day. Following the initial posting, updated results are posted on based on canvassing progress and will be announced on the county’s social media platforms.

  307. Libturd says:

    2100 new Corona cases in NJ

  308. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Steve Roth is one of the smartest guys in real estate. The guy saw retail going down before everyone and sold most of it off.

    At the end of the day, our homes can’t be this everything model. Residential and commercial exist for a reason. Don’t take your work home with you…it won’t end well in the long term. Your employer shouldn’t use your home to conduct their business unless they want to pay up for it.

    Remember, this WFH setting being currently presented to you is not the one you will get in the long term. They will make so many changes to nickel and dime you, that you will be stuck in an environment like UBer. Everyone is a consultant on a need based basis. Since you are home, they will create a model where you are only paid when you are working down to the minute. They will track everything you do and see what they can eliminate and leave you with a full time job that is now part time consultant. Don’t be stupid people!! It will not end well..

  309. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Like how did they convince a bunch of the population to offer up their own vehicles on a low compensation model. These people ruin their own cars and barely make a profit for all that time. Can’t fix stupid. Now these same morons want to offer up free space in their own homes to make their employer money? Can’t make this sh!t up.

  310. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Rent is rent. If you want me to use a space in my own home to conduct your business, then pay me rent. I also want to be paid for internet, heat, and air conditioning for said space in my home.

    Wake the f up, people!!!

  311. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Or continue to be taken advantage of…just don’t cry about it. People are their own worst enemy. They make terrible choices.

  312. 3b says:

    Lib: Found it , Clifton. Thanks. I might stop by.

  313. D-FENS says:

    Dude gave a ballot the finger, then crumpled it up and threw it in the trash. Which step in the process is that?

    Libturd says:
    November 5, 2020 at 3:28 pm
    Back away from Twitter D. The dude is only opening envelopes.

  314. 3b says:

    Someone is off their meds again.

  315. Libturd says:

    D. I tried to warn you.

  316. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3b,

    What do you get out of offering up your home to your employer at no cost?

  317. chicagofinance says:

    Were they delivered here? yum!
    https://winelibrary.com/beers/67979-corona-24oz-cans

    Libturd says:
    November 5, 2020 at 3:30 pm
    2100 new Corona cases in NJ

  318. Hold my beer says:

    Nom

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/jan/17/new-boiler-generates-electricity

    Our old place in Jersey had an old gas powered boiler that could create electricity to run itself so we had heat even if there was a blackout. Not enough to do anything else but there are new ones that can help power your house. Don’t know if they can run if there is a power outage.

  319. Libturd says:

    For what it’s worth, a gas burner requires the most minimal amount of electricity for it to run during a power outage. You will need enough juice to power the flu vent motor and just a trickle of power for the protection circuitry. I’m guessing you could buy a 12 volt battery, leave it on top of the furnace and make the most simple transfer switch. I run an extension cord from my old reliable 4000 watt Champion that I bought during snowlaween back in 2011 and just put the wires that run into the junction box into the two holes in the female side of the extension cord. Yeah, there’s a breaking ball.

  320. Libturd says:

    Meant boiler. Not burner. Forget running a forced air system on a $300 generator.

  321. Phoenix says:

    Lib, don’t forget the circulating pump.

  322. SomeOne says:

    D-FENS,

    If I believed Biden won fair and square then fine…no skin off my back. Not my preferred candidate but my sense is the Legislative and Judicial branches of government will keep each other in line.

    What keeps me up at night is I can’t shake this feeling that there is widespread fraud in the urban areas of these swing states.

    Reminds me of WMD in Iraq. Curious about what you were supporting at that time.

  323. Clouseau ShouldHaveUsedTOr says:

    Fast Eddie, Truthie, and a few other in here. Why do I think eventually one of you is going to end up like this.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/05/nyregion/james-kobel-nypd-racism.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage&section=New%20York

    Pumpkin, no one cares about you, you are like below, but will know it was you when the school burns down.

    https://youtu.be/Vsayg_S4pJg

  324. ExEssex says:

    “…if you count the legal votes, i easily win…”
    Douchebag

    Trump

  325. ExEssex says:

    Imbecile-in-Chief continues to ruminate on his “victory” while spouting about suppression. What a schmuck.

  326. Refinery Weirdomagic says:

    My special weirdomagic powers let me see the future of tomorrows little get together at the refinery. The guy in the bike is Pumpkin.

    https://youtu.be/tuFu9-bfnQk

  327. ExEssex says:

    F’in Catalina Wine Mixer:

    https://youtu.be/fs0uLXodDVA

  328. SomeOne says:

    Trump sounding very sad.

  329. Phoenix says:

    Chi,

    You think a guy who spits in a cops face is going to walk like she did?

    I just don’t get it, but at least it’s out there for all to see. I guess as a society it’s okay for women to do anything to a man, now they can do it to the police as well.

  330. njtownhomer says:

    It was such a monumental moment today. Cry baby! Such a stain that will be remembered.

  331. chicagofinance says:

    The release is not a woman thing. It’s a New York State/DeBlasio thing….

    Phoenix says:
    November 5, 2020 at 7:03 pm
    Chi,

    You think a guy who spits in a cops face is going to walk like she did?

    I just don’t get it, but at least it’s out there for all to see. I guess as a society it’s okay for women to do anything to a man, now they can do it to the police as well.

  332. Phoenix says:

    Still bad. It’s not okay.

  333. chicagofinance says:

    Here is a snippet of how a Facebook post starts. A guy with whom I went to high school…….. the pure sanctimonious trash this guy posts is stunning…. I dare not even draw attention to myself over there…..

    “So … I have had a bit of a re-think.
    Yes … a close vote this election GENERALLY suggests a moral degradation of our country that is disconcerting … “

  334. Fabius Maximus says:

    And he just lost the NYPost

    Downcast Trump makes baseless election fraud claims in White House address
    https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1324506154148515842

    So now with GA about to declare, Nero is going to start lighting fires. At this point Gary, MAGA greatness is about to start burning the Republic to the ground.

  335. 3b says:

    Well at least it appears to be over and we can return to the Nirvana we all lived in prior to Trump.

  336. JCer says:

    On the boiler, I have the Utica, its crap. My contractor who put them in says he’d not do the high efficiency stuff in his home. Unless you have an indirect water heater or a very modern efficient zone system it takes an absurd amount of time to recoup the investment. Also factor your modcon boiler only lasts ~10-15years while a cast iron boiler probably lasts 20 and will require fewer repairs. I’ve already had blower bearings go bad in both, the modulating gas valve has failed in both, moving parts are expensive and failure prone. Look at your energy costs, going from 82% efficiency to 94%, what kind of savings are you looking at and how many years is the payoff? I’d go to lower efficiency equipment but cannot get the requisite boiler to my basement, the cast iron ones are incredibly big and heavy.

  337. Hold my beer says:

    3b

    If you want Nirvana you should move to Texas. Lol

  338. JCer says:

    Lib you can run air handler and furnace on cheap generator but not compressor motor. I ran my whole house 3 weeks ago on my harbor freight generator, heat, radiators, warm air system, dishwasher, washing machines, lights, television, etc using my bootleg back feed that came with the house. Using the microwave while running everything else was the only time the generator seemed stressed. Not bad for ~$500, I joke with friends that have with the whole house unit and they spend more on annual maintenance than I paid for my generator! Probably not but close I think they pay around $300 every year for their service call/oil change etc. I’m going on 3 years and the pos hasn’t missed a beat, we lose power 1-2 times a year. The only time it’s a problem is the summer no ac is brutal, thankfully we only experienced that once. Can’t bring my self to spend 10-15k on a proper backup generator.

    My neighbor tried to do the suicide cables once when the power was out for 4 or 5 days and almost burned his house down so I really don’t suggest it, must have plugged into two outlets on the same leg and the extension cord caught fire. At the minimum if you get a generator plug you can add it to a 50amp breaker in your panel which will cover a 50 amp connection, this can be done for less than $100.

  339. JCer says:

    On the election, something does seem off here. Not go go all qanon on everyone the CIA was behind the impeachment and has been involved in a lot of shaninigans involving elections in countries around the world. I wouldn’t put it past then to interfere with the election. The vote count in Wi raises a few eyebrows, notice they don’t dispel the notion their are more votes than voters in Milwaukee, just Wisconsin in general. As someone whose seem Hudson county up close, election fraud is a way of life there so it wouldn’t surprise me if there were fraud….Trump might have won the election.

  340. Comrade Nom Deplume, Embracing the Suck says:

    JCer,

    Did a lot of research and I am going with my original thinking which is replacing the antique oil burner/domestic HW coil with standard cast iron 84% and an indirect. I was going to go with separate gas HW heater but I figure that the system will add fuel costs versus a single unit.

  341. Lay-off theCheap WinoWine says:

    Damn it another rabid lunatic.

    JCr come on be more creative. With a name like JCr – how about Frank “I’m the Law” Hague’s evil cloned along with Tony Musto’s ghost and Nick Sacco’s evil twin Skippy Sacco rigged the votes in Wisconsin by altering the Cheddar Cheese.

  342. ExEssex says:

    9:08 not even close.

  343. Juice Box says:

    Did some more research on the high voter turnout in WI.

    The massive absentee numbers and overall extremely high voter turnout seems To be due to moral injury. What happened during their primaries This year was so fundamentally wrong that it tore at the fabric of how they are perceived by themselves and how they felt the rest of the world looks at them.

    Their primaries were a mess, and called a laughing mess by Trump.The legal challenges all the way to the US Supreme Court in the primaries and the fact that in places like Milwaukee only 3% of the polling places were open do to Covid-19 fears as the primary fell on the first week of April.

    Their moral injury was so strong that Wisconsin voters were moved to act and request massive numbers of absentee ballots as well as vote in person in the general election.

    Here is more on the process that occurred in Milwaukee could it have been rigged? No indication yet that it was.

    https://urbanmilwaukee.com/2020/11/04/absentee-ballots-give-biden-lead-in-wisconsin/

  344. Juice Box says:

    As far as GTG maybe when Covid is over… The USA just reported 102,831 new Covid-19 infections in 1 day. That’s an all-time high Folks. NJ is also up to 2k a day now.

    It’s going to be a long winter in lockdown. I may just start stocking up again tomorrow for the inevitable run on supplies.

  345. Phoenix says:

    Did a lot of research and I am going with my original thinking which is replacing the antique oil burner/domestic HW coil with standard cast iron 84% and an indirect.

    Less efficient, but simpler and more reliable. It’s the move I would make.

  346. ExEssex says:

    Biden takes the lead in Georgia.

  347. Juice Box says:

    Nom – you can make up for the energy use of a less efficient system. Older homes have crappy insulation in the attic. You can cut the Energy bill. allot by re-insulation the attic.

    https://www.thisoldhouse.com/insulation/21018131/read-this-before-you-insulate-your-attic

  348. 30 year realtor says:

    Is this how the POTUS behaves in a Classical America?
    In Torrent of Falsehoods, Trump Claims Election Is Rigged https://nyti.ms/38fqSGZ

  349. 30 year realtor says:

    Is this how former presidential advisors behave in a Classical America?
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/twitter-bans-steve-bannon-account-fauci-wray-beheaded/

  350. leftwing says:

    Lib, I’ll see you guys there at 645.

    D/Fabs…

    Take a closer look of the Act re: competing slates. The reference to the Legislature is they dictate the rules (laws) under which electors are chosen, not the electors themselves. The Act was drawn up specifically to address the 1876 election where there were competing sets of electors from individual states. Governors certify now. The only look Congress has in accepting or not the electors is whether the slate sent was from the proper authority under the Act (which includes the laws in place in the State at the time of the election).

    Re: Bush v Gore, that’s where this Act which was enacted over competing slates came into play with the Supremes over a recount. There was not a competing slate nor any involvement of the FL Legislature in Bush v Gore. The Court also did not ‘shut down’ the count as a final remedy. After finding that the recount as proceeding violated the Equal Protection Clause they looked at remedies including extending the deadline for a recount and standardizing the methodologies. What they found was that FL law required a slate of electors be sent under the timeline required in the Act (for Safe Harbor) which deadline was literally the next day. Since a completed recount however constructed could not possibly occur FL had no alternative but to send the original slate and FL shut down the recount as it was then superfluous.

    It’s these types of machinations about which state laws were in place when combined with the equal protection protection clause and the requirements under the Act that would seem to be the avenue this time around as well….one of the facts on the ground influencing the Court’s decision in Bush v Gore was that different individual ballots were being treated differently…this election actions like certain voters in some jurisdictions in a state receiving ‘help’ in correcting deficiencies in their ballots while others did not would seem ripe to form an equal protection challenge. Plus so many operating decisions were made on the fly and likely were not properly legislated potentially leaving that avenue of attack open.

    Issue is with this argument I don’t know what kind of remedy one would argue except throwing out the entire slate. That action is actually provided in the Act, ie. any state’s set of electors can be rejected when the Electoral College votes are counted. Again, a super black swan event with very low likelihood. Further, if nullifying an entire state’s vote actually came before SCOTUS no way I put the probability of that flying at as close to possibly zero one can go…

    Bottom line, the Presidential election is over. If you don’t like the outcome you should be working on 2022 and 2024 right now, not looking in the rear view mirror.

  351. 30 year realtor says:

    Fast Eddie or any of the other cult members who comment here, denounce the type of behavior the POTUS and his followers are engaging or you are complicit. This type of behavior represents a clear and present danger!

  352. Hold my beer says:

    Only way trump gets to 270 is if he drops 50 pounds

  353. SomeOne says:

    30 year,

    … denounce the type of behavior the POTUS and his followers are engaging or you are complicit.

    You may have to wait another 30 years :)

  354. 1987 Condo in S.C. says:

    Jobs: +638,000

    U/E: 6.9%

  355. Fast Eddie says:

    … denounce the type of behavior the POTUS and his followers are engaging or you are complicit.

    I’ll denounce it when someone asks Joe if he ever met Tony Bobulinski. And, of course, this was a squeaky clean election, no fraudulent ballots, everything on the up and up. That’s why those upstanding poll counters in Philly felt no need for anyone to watch them.

  356. Hold my beer says:

    Biden takes the lead in Pennsylvania.

  357. Libturd says:

    The counters are extremely unlikely to cheat. Before the ballots come in is where the hi-jinx is much more likely to occur.

  358. Libturd says:

    You can never let a bully win! Glad the country did the right thing!

  359. Phoenixs says:

    I could not watch the first Borat. But this second one is funnier for some reason even though it’s the same type of humor.

  360. Comrade Nom Deplume, Embracing the Suck says:

    “You can never let a bully win! Glad the country did the right thing!”

    The “right thing.” Let’s examine that.

    This country is being asked to accept what, by all appearances, is a perversion of the democratic process and the installation of a president by (allegedly) corrupt means in order to remove a president who the establishment considers to be the wrong person for the job (which, ironically, is the point of an election). Put differently, the left and its establishment feels that the ends justify the means.

    We have replaced Jeffersonian Democracy with Machiavellian expediency.

    To those leftists who disagree, explain why the vote should not be examined? (and there is precedent for this from 2000) If there is nothing to hide, why hide it?

    The right has a point when they say they refuse to accept Biden, that he is an illegitimate president (again, there is precedent since the left refused to accept Bush and Trump as legitimately elected).

    The question is, what now?

  361. Juice Box says:

    Ballot harvesting is done before the counting. But reality is people who who have never requested a mail in ballot or voted by mail did so because of the fear Of catching Covid-19 by leaving their home other than necessary. Waiting on long lines is now mentally not an option for many, just too afraid. In NJ we did not have to request ballots because our legislature and governor quickly changed the law so we all received mail in ballots. I even got a mail notice back that my ballot was received and processed.

    I mentioned moral injury, Covid-19 in many ways has changed our society. I would say Many people being more active online than before has allot to do with it. There of-course is the good and bad with that, as the disinformation spread is instant as we get the pop up message from our phones, so What did we Find out from this election? We are still a very polarized county and the two party system is still intact, and will stay that way long after all of us a dead and buried.

  362. Bystander says:

    4 years of insanity, lies, chaos, scandals and generally eating much of this board’s cult BS..all crumbling now. Projecting greatness on a fascist who simply rode decade Fed money printing campaign, poured gasoline on it with unneeded tax needs and called it “greatest economy ever”..pure nonsense. Go back your holes now and rethink what Republican values you have. You supported a lying one term failure, nothing will change that perception. Just like right’s view of Carter as total failure but he was a decent man who ended up doing a lot of good in the world. Trump will be wearing a suit that matches his fake tan. Special call out to that hypocrite schizo Blumpy who posts Trump’s “accomplishments”. Guess what d*ickhead, you can make those changes and not be a the biggest lying, insulting, racist ego-maniac to ever sit at 1600. In other works elect a decent candidate that has a plan, and stop your policy of electing “one that makes the libs cry the most”. I hear some young dipshit in NC is one of those candidates. Watch that moron’s rise as the racist cult members have nothing left to fill their hearts but blame and anger. I will break out the popcorn and watch them haul his big Orange a$$ out over next few months. We have a long road ahead and Biden is not the answer but getting adult vs inflamed tweeting baby is a great and necessary start.

  363. SomeOne says:

    Eddie, please don’t be so quick to concede.

    You can demand resolution for how Ross Perot and his big money tilted the election to Clinton, Whitewater, Waco, Monica Lewinsky, Vince Foster, Hillary’s emails, Obama’s birth certificate, Obama’s free cell phones, Hillary’s vote supporting Iraq war (seems like she is more at fault than GWB and Cheney).

    Oh, there’s the pizza parlor. What about verifying that Obama did capture Bin Laden.

    You have several lifetimes worth of rebuttal, so you can relax.

  364. grim says:

    Feels like this is getting called this afternoon.

  365. leftwing says:

    “Fast Eddie or any of the other cult members who comment here, denounce the type of behavior the POTUS and his followers are engaging or you are complicit. This type of behavior represents a clear and present danger!”

    Not a cult member as my positions and posts demonstrate, including my post immediately preceding yours.

    I will, however, PROUDLY wear the badge of complicity.

    Until and unless there is equal treatment….

    I will happily applaud should Trump protesters taking over the downtown of an American city, controlling access, and shutting down buildings until the Left’s identical actions are treated equally.

    I will happily applaud Bannon calling for ‘beheadings’ until C-level ‘celebrities’ holding a bloodied President’s severed head are treated equally.

    I will happily applaud everything DJT says from a podium until the common carriers of opinion begin banning the Left for identical transgressions.

    The hypocrisy and unequal treatment by those in power is clearest and most present danger, and I am absolutely fine in supporting anyone standing up to those ‘bullies’ no matter how crude. Or how marginalized. Frankly, especially when marginalized.

    But that’s just me. I understand others may be fine letting those with the levers of power run roughshod over anyone who doesn’t agree with them.

  366. Phoenix says:

    Just follow the law. What choice do you have. If the law says recount, it’s what you do.

    Personally I did not vote. And since with everything else in life there is a bit of cheating, my guess is that there was some from both sides. Not enough to skew the results.

    Get a recount. However, I don’t believe the end result will change. America has spoken.

    I thought Trump was going to win. I concede defeat (although not pro Trump) I am bipartisan in I saw some good Trump was doing along with things I disliked, and saw some good things that Biden could do along with things I disliked. For me to vote I needed a third party. I’m fine with my decision.

  367. Comrade Nom Deplume, Embracing the Suck says:

    Leftwing,

    Interesting and thoughtful analysis. Not sure I agree with all of it but I enjoyed the read.

    Here’s a thought: State law governs the conduct of elections but I don’t see why it should govern the conduct of FEDERAL elections. I see no constitutional impediment to Congress passing laws for the conduct of a federal election (president, legislative), and either conducting that election alongside the state elections or funding states to conduct them consistent with federal law (which sort of happens now). At worst, the Feds can run their elections completely separately from the States by requiring registration consistent with federal law and opening polls at federal facilities and expanding the voting window–not an optimal solution but it is one that removes state control completely.

    A uniform process for vote collection, counting and Federal oversight would go a long way toward ending this as an issue.

  368. D-FENS says:

    In PA, the Executive said ballots could be counted if they arrived after election day…because coronavirus. The dem leaning judicial branch in PA affirmed this. This is in direct contradiction to laws set forth by the PA Legislature. This is the basis of Trump’s challenge there. He has the constitution on his side.

    Regardless of outcome, it’s an opportunity to restore integrity and trust in elections.

    leftwing says:
    November 6, 2020 at 8:05 am
    Lib, I’ll see you guys there at 645.

    D/Fabs…

  369. No One says:

    Trump was always going to claim fraud. In his own screwed up little head, it’s impossible for him to lose other than someone cheating him. So he came into the election looking for an excuse. I don’t doubt that there’s some election fraud to some degree in some places. I don’t even know what states do when someone mails in their mailed ballot early in the week, then shows up in person to vote, effectively voting twice. And of course Dems have forever been against voter ID laws. It doesn’t surprise me that big city bureaucracies are also inefficient and potentially corrupt at counting votes. But unless the Trump team can provide specific evidence of large volume fraud, there’s no case to make, and surely no case that can win. But Trump doesn’t care about proof, this is all about his own vanity. As soon as most Republican politicians see he will be losing his power, they will breathe a sigh of relief and cast him off. A few true believers may be willing to go down with Trump’s sinking ship. The interesting question is who and what in the Republican party will fill the vacuum. The Fox organization will likely be instrumental in answering that question. The next big real political fight is the GA senate election.

  370. chicagofinance says:

    So now we can begin the meat and potatoes portion of our meal…..

    What kind a miscreant laden retreads and SJW’s are going to appear in Biden’s cabinet?

    Warren for secretary of the Treasury?

  371. leftwing says:

    “Feels like this is getting called this afternoon.”

    Agree. watch the Senate though. Most talking heads even CNBC are taking the angle of “no big deal now” if it goes Blue. from a purely market perspective could not disagree more.

  372. crushednjmillenial says:

    NJ Gerrymandering . . .

    I am hopeful that in the next congressional re-districting, NJ does away with the jagged lines of our congressional districts.

    We could have county-based districts that (based on my look at the county population numbers) would look like this (from North to South) (but, obviously, the below list rounds the numbers a bit):

    CD -1: Bergen (the Eastern 7/9ths side of Bergen)
    CD-2: Passaic plus some parts of Western Bergen
    CD-3: Hudson plus some parts of the Eastern 1/8th of Essex
    CD-4: Most of Essex (the Western 7/8ths of Essex)
    CD-5: Morris plus Sussex, Warren, and Hunterdon
    CD-6: Union plus Somerset
    CD-7: Middlesex
    CD-8: Monmouth and Southern Middlesex
    CD-9: Mercer and Burlington
    CD-10: Ocean, Coastal Burlington and Northern Atlantic County
    CD-11: Camden and Gloucester
    CD-12: The Southernmost 750k people of NJ (Salem, Cumberland, Atlantic, Cape May)

    Under this scenario, all current congresspeople keep the central population center of their district, except Malinowski and Bonnie Watson Coleman might need to move a few towns over or something. Union County would no longer be split amongst the 7th, 8th, 10th, and 12th districts.

  373. leftwing says:

    “I see no constitutional impediment to Congress passing laws for the conduct of a federal election (president, legislative)…A uniform process for vote collection, counting and Federal oversight would go a long way toward ending this as an issue.”

    Agree, especially with the high volume use of the USPS this go around. At a minimum the processes there will be overhauled and codified and your suggestion is the house right next door.

    Two ‘agrees’ right in a row….I’m pretty agreeable right now. Likely because my other open browser tab is open to Silk City looking at what I may bring back home tonight.

  374. Comrade Nom Deplume, Embracing the Suck says:

    Phoenix,

    Without a recount and some commonly accepted legitimacy to the process, this is, for all intents and purposes, a coup d’etat. Yes, I am aware that a coup is traditionally the seizure of power by force and nondemocratic means, but what is the functional difference between a military coup that removes a head of state and a party-led manipulation of the vote?

    I think that this can be challenged by citizenry in a new resistance. I predict funded lawsuits that challenge the election indirectly by challenging Biden executive orders. The thinking is that the order is null and void if the Executive is without authority to issue it, and that challenge to authority would be that Biden was never properly elected. Losing effort because that requires challenging state certifications.

    Another avenue would be that–challenging the state certifications themselves and going after the secretaries of state and election officials for derogation of their duty. It would be a way to force an examination of the vote and undermine the perceived legitmacy of a President Biden.

  375. Libturd says:

    It’s all going to be alright, from my perch, in Costa Rica.

    Pura Vida bitches.

    attendance at Silk City looks like

    Fast Eddie, Left Wing, Gator, Your’s Truly. With potential cameo’s by ChiFi, 3B and a centrist from Montclair (probably a closet Republican) Steve Smith who fortunately has not found this site, but who I spar with locally and I won a smoked brisket from to go with my booze.

    D-Fens (Moose!) gave me the unequivocal, he’s not going (or at least not paying until they catch Trump with the White house soap and shampoo in his travel bag). Homeboken, what say you? Might as well join us and make it a full-on pile on.

  376. Dink says:

    Not so fast on calling. Trump has already claimed the commonwealth of Pennsylvania and I believe federal law defers to those who call dibs on electoral votes. No backsies! Suck it libs!

  377. leftwing says:

    “Warren for secretary of the Treasury?”

    Depends on Senate outcome, and the GA runoff only happens on 1/5.

    Ditto for Bernie.

    Any appointment of those two gets them replaced in the Senate by Republican governors…….

  378. D-FENS says:

    In 2000 Gore refused to concede and spent a month in court…the left hailed him as a hero. Some of the margins in these swing states are razor thin. Trump deserves to have his legal challenges heard. The system would benefit from more scrutiny…and trust.

  379. Fast Eddie says:

    Someone,

    Eddie, please don’t be so quick to concede.

    Don’t patronize me. Don’t indulge me, pamper me or console me. There’s nothing to feel sorry for and I certainly don’t need a safe room, coloring books, a f.ucking puppy or appeasement. I’ll keep cutting my path and may even feel a shred of sympathy for those unwilling malcontents, too frail to create more than they consume and too afraid to stand on their own.

  380. RentL0rd says:

    D-FckENS –

    Gore was a gentleman and conceded gracefully. Can you say the same about your douche?

    Give democracy (which means every vote counts) a thumbs up, STFU and leave.

  381. leftwing says:

    “As soon as most Republican politicians see he will be losing his power, they will breathe a sigh of relief and cast him off.”

    Happening already. There are crickets every time he speaks now. Zero support. Toomey, PA Senator and favorite of conservatives (upper and lower case ‘c’) threw Trump hard under the bus on CNBC this morning.

    Listen, recounts will not close any gap so the only avenue is nullifying electors’ slates. While that is clearly allowed when Congress meets to open the Electoral College votes it has effectively a zero chance of happening.

    The only probability lower than that is any SCOTUS nullifying millions of American presidential votes from specific States. It’s just not going to happen.

    Move on.

  382. D-FENS says:

    It’s not a democracy.

    RentL0rd says:
    November 6, 2020 at 10:10 am
    D-FckENS –

    Gore was a gentleman and conceded gracefully. Can you say the same about your douche?

    Give democracy (which means every vote counts) a thumbs up, STFU and leave.

  383. Juice Box says:

    Some great lines from this clip. Scorsese’s gangs of New York, is a masterpiece.

    We have come a long way folks.

    “In this great county of ours even the hop fiends get to vote”

    “Twice only twice you call that doing you civic duty!”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg8E6AEeVtI

  384. Libturd says:

    “In PA, the Executive said ballots could be counted if they arrived after election day…because coronavirus”

    No D, they need to be postmarked by Tuesday to count. Try not to be so deceptive. It was unbecoming of the POTUS and nearly every BS claim by his supporters and it doesn’t suit you well. And it’s not Coronavirus. It’s necessary due to the intentional reduction in staff at the USPS that is now run by one of Trump’s largest campaign contributors. Yeah, I know Obama started to reduce headcount there, but at this point it’s so cut to the bone that small businesses are using UPS and FedEx since the service has slowed to a crawl. Gator got mail yesterday sent from Harrisburg PA post-marked October 2nd.

    For a supposedly civil, bible and liberty-loving party. The amount of sore losers and threats of violence (from the law and justice pumpers) I am seeing here and on social media is worse than disturbing. This election was not stolen. It was lost due to the incapability of the asshole in chief to shut his lying trap for more than 5 seconds. Good riddance to him, his dumbass plagiarist wife and the rest of his family of losers.

  385. RentL0rd says:

    Oh right, not a democracy. White votes count more, right D-Fens?

    I thought we went over this already as a country.

  386. Fast Eddie says:

    Thank G0d the long, dark winter will not happen now that O’Biden is prez.

  387. ExEssex says:

    “….angels dispatched from Africa….”

  388. ExEssex says:

    Here’s your party Ed:

    https://youtu.be/qehn7cNIIps

  389. leftwing says:

    “Oh right, not a democracy.”

    Not ever a democracy. And specifically not intended to be….

    Look at history, the founding documents, and the federalist papers.

    Or make it easier on yourself and simply recite the pledge of allegiance….

  390. Phoenix says:

    “I am absolutely fine in supporting anyone standing up to those ‘bullies’ no matter how crude. ”

    I second this wholeheartedly.

  391. 3b says:

    Senate stays red, GA Republican wins the run off. Nothing done which is what Wall Street likes, as in no repeal of Trump tax law. Fed continues to destroy the markets and our currency, house of cards, more stimulus of some sort. Covid coverage will decline since Biden wins President. My take on things.

  392. No One says:

    I’d like to attend tonight but I’m nearly an hour away and rarely drink.

  393. RentL0rd says:

    I agree it’s not a true democracy as long as we have the electoral college. In that vein, we are also “not the greatest country”. So, either we quit saying these words or if we say it, we up hold democratic values. Which is: EVERY f’in VOTE COUNTS. Mail-ins, Absentee, Military… EVERY SINGLE ONE!

  394. crushednjmillenial says:

    Trump needs to fight this as long as he can. Not because he can win, it is 99.9999% likely that he will not.

    He needs to fight this because the longer it drags on, the more it will look to his base like he was robbed. Also, if he can get the US Supreme Court to rule that the deadline for PA votes is RECEIPT by Tuesday, November 3, then he will win the 20 electoral votes of PA, denying Biden 300 electoral votes. By denying Biden 300 electoral votes, Trump can trump for the rest of his life about how the “close election” was “stolen.”

    He needs a recount in WI, because it will take time. He needs to find even one single dead voter who voted in the urban Midwest and then run with that as far as it can take. The liberal media will hem and haw, but their protestations will be muted because at the end of the day Biden is in. Similarly, Biden doesn’t need to push too hard, because he will be POTUS on Jan. 21.

    This all in the coming weeks will motivate his base to keep their attention and adulation on him. Thus,Trump can remain a stronger kingmaker within the Republican party, prosecuting him is more politically-toxic, and he has more attention to whatever media property and ventures is next for him. The establishment Republican party needs to stand back and let Trump go nuts on this (and fund it, even if they zip their mouths in public), becasue, in my opinion, it fires up R’s for the 2022 midterms. And, 2022 congressional districts will be gerrymandered again in R’s favor, because Biden did not deliver a blue wave to the statehouses.

    In sum, this is all political theatre and positioning for what’s next.

  395. SomeOne says:

    Eddie,

    Thank G0d the long, dark winter will not happen now that O’Biden is prez.

    It seems that you associate all your financial well being with which team is in power, and also your dark lord is is about to. Your thoughts on your personal long, dark winter?

    One tip: if you do well, say it is due to policies of Trump. If you do badly, blame Biden. Rinse and repeat.

  396. Phoenix says:

    “In PA, the Executive said ballots could be counted if they arrived after election day…because coronavirus. The dem leaning judicial branch in PA affirmed this. This is in direct contradiction to laws set forth by the PA Legislature.”

    So let’s suppose this is in a Republican state. Would it be wrong? Is this an issue where legal “Trumps” common sense? How many people are having trouble renewing registrations, licenses, inspecting cars. Legally they all deserve tickets. Common sense says let people slide as 1/3 of MVC’s are closed due to Covid.

    The “Founding Fathers” are dead, and things have changed over the years. What Pa. is doing is reasonable and fair, to give a small amount of latitude in order for votes to arrive. Every state should have done the same thing. Would that then have been okay?

  397. Hold my beer says:

    If the left stole the election, what happened to the Blue Wave in the Senate? Why did the dems lose seats in the house? Why didn’t red and battleground state legislatures turn blue?

  398. Fast Eddie says:

    It seems that you associate all your financial well being with which team is in power, and also your dark lord is is about to. Your thoughts on your personal long, dark winter?

    Can someone other than “Someone” translate this into English?

  399. Phoenix says:

    Tonight’s get to go if you can’t make it for some reason.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fXe2HII-iA

  400. RentL0rd says:

    Beer,

    Republicans operate like a cult. They flooded right wing medium – Rush Limbaughs, Steve Bannons, Fox News, Brietbart, etc. to a low IQ populace with conspiracy theories, anti-science, anti-education rhetoric for a very long time. We now have a big population of zombies with no capability of critical thinking.

    Flame away… but that’s the unfortunate world we live in.

  401. Libturd says:

    3B,

    You are right on everything but Covid coverage. Covid was not a tool of the Democrats to hate on the Republicans. Though, the Republicans (through their willingness to walk the plank with their supposed savior in The Donald) DID choose to downplay the seriousness of it while it is probably going to end up the most important and society-changing event of our lifetime.

    I said this at the start, but know we are way too stupid of a country to do it. It could still be done now, but there is no political will from either party. After the current wave subsides probably some time in April, for 28 days:

    1) close the borders

    2) everyone except “real” essential workers (police, fire, medical) stay in their homes

    3) The military can deliver rations and scripts

    4) Send every family a check for $5,000 which is the median income in America

    After the four weeks, put contract tracing into place with imprisonment for failure to comply.

    Open the borders, but quarantine all visitors for two weeks (in our empty hotels) at the expense of the traveler.

    Boom done. This is umpteen times cheaper and easier than what we are currently doing. But there is no political will nor are our citizens willing to do what is necessary.

    We are a really dumb country.

  402. Phoenix says:

    Lib,
    You will never stop the wealthy with their private jets from going anywhere they want anytime they want.

  403. Phoenix says:

    In that scenario do I get a check for 5k even though I am working?

  404. Libturd says:

    Absolutely. Make it 10K per person instead of family and it would still be cheaper than the way we are handling this.

  405. Phoenix says:

    Plus it would help jumpstart the economy.
    https://youtu.be/k9DO26O6dIg?t=135

  406. SomeOne says:

    Eddie,

    A polite way to ask if you will take a big financial hit. You claimed you did badly under Obama and did very well under DJT.

    Will you follow DJT’s art of the deal of Chapter 11?

  407. crushednjmillenial says:

    Lib’s Covid plan . . .

    Lib, it would be maybe 1% of Americans that would agree to such a draconian set of restrictions. Your plan has no chance of really being implemented, no matter who is in power, against THIS virus. Maybe something like that would be palatable to the American public if we faced a contagious virus with the potential to kill 10-20% of the US population (like 30 to 60 million Americans).

    Parenthetically, even with a really, really deadly 10% population killer, I somewhat doubt that we can seal the country tight enough.

    THIS virus, at its deadliest, in the earliest days, was poised to potentially, possibly, maybe kill 1-3% of Americans (so, 3 million – 10 million). Avoiding 10 million dead Americans warranted a one-month soft lockdown and spending what was necessary to expand hospital capacity to the max.

    By the time late April rolled around, it started to become scientifically likely that this virus would kill maximum, maximum 1% of Americans. Avoiding 3 million dead Americans warranted the lockdown of certain, specific high transmission superspreader activities (no stadium events indoors, no packed bars, slowly re-opening other indoor activities).

    By now, I don’t know if many scientists believe that this virus will kill .5% of Americans in a single year (because we have better treatments, and people are complying with some social distancing, masks, handwashing, etc.). Avoiding 1.5 million dead Americans warrants the lockdown of the high-transmission superspreader activities and leaving most social distancing mandates to the States. The Feds might reasonably mandate no in-person, indoor visitors to nursing homes during the months of October – April. Severe advisory for high-risk groups. National mask mandate for anywhere in public except outdoors where social distancing is possible.

    Realistically, 500k Americans will not likely die this winter from Covid. Each death is a tragedy, but we are not willing, as a society, to pay $10-20 million per life saved.

  408. Hold my beer says:

    Its not like Trump lost because of 500 votes in 1 state and that state’s governor was Biden’s brother. I mean I could see why people would be upset if something like that happened.

  409. Libturd says:

    Funny on the youtube Phoenix.

    Love both of them.

  410. 3b says:

    Lib:I should clarify on Covid. What I should have said it will lessen in intensity as the media believes Biden and the Dems will handle it better. That of course remains to be seen.

    As for money send everyone 18 and over a check for 10k! It doesn’t matter as its all going to collapse at some point anyhow. Might as well hand out money and help people!

  411. ExEssex says:

    11:41 ain’t THAT the truth.

  412. Libturd says:

    Crushed.

    It’s not about the cost per life saved. It’s about the return to a normal economy that benefits more than just the wealthier among us. There is no doubt we are headed straight into the greatest recession of our lifetime. This one is going to be a real doozy.

    I recently opened an escrow for my lower unit. The banker of course tried to sell me Chase Private Client services as my net worth screams for financial advisement. I told the banker I ran two investment clubs and they couldn’t touch my returns. He then asked me how my multi was doing. I told him that this was the first time in 21 years that it took over a week to fill a vacancy. He said he was not surprised as many small multi owners in town have decided to sell once they couldn’t legally evict non-paying tenants and he said the big guys in town are hanging on by a thread and have already started to fail. He mentioned that they are in significantly worse shape than the small guys because they are all over-leveraged. I’m starting to see the for-lease signs everywhere I go and I know a lot of my friends are concerned about their jobs. Restaurants and similar service businesses are all about to close again and they won’t survive the winter. The cost to society of letting this pandemic run unabated is just too great.

    Trust me. It will be cheaper to stop it than not to. Mark my words.

  413. ExEssex says:

    Or just take the $10k off the $80k bill the IRS sent me last XMas.

  414. ExEssex says:

    11:57 This. I know another guy, very very bright businessman par excellence. He tokd me the other day basic income was coming. If based purely on the fact that automation will displace millions.

  415. Phoenix says:

    “but we are not willing, as a society, to pay $10-20 million per life saved.”

    Nope. But I can tell you for sure that 1-2m bills are not uncommon anymore in hospitals for many patients.

    The Six Million dollar man used to be able to do great things with superhuman strength and bionic vision. Now he is just an old man in an ICU.

    Jaime Sommers on the other hand….

  416. Phoenix says:

    “Or just take the $10k off the $80k bill the IRS sent me last XMas.”

    Trump’s accountants can get that down to 750.oo for you. Give them a call.

  417. 3b says:

    Ex Essex: I agree it is coming. And a lot of smug white collar types who believe they are indispensable will be shocked! Then they can clean old people for 10.00 an hour like all those blue collar workers who watched their jobs being outsourced over the years.

    Boomers blow!!

  418. RentL0rd says:

    Beer @ 11:41. This!
    Exactly this. Stop with the conspiracy theories. Enough with this sh1t!

  419. D-FENS says:

    Utah Attorney General

    Sean Reyes
    @SeanReyesUT
    ·
    Nov 6, 2020
    Despite months of predictions about a “blue wave,” @GOP kept the Senate & expanded seats in the House. Biden & his allies know @POTUS will win if only verified, #legal votes are counted. We are making sure that happens but looks like courts may have to decide that. #RuleOfLaw
    Sean Reyes
    @SeanReyesUT
    On personal leave time to help prepare and support litigation in several states dealing with compromised election process.
    11:02 AM · Nov 6, 2020 from Salt Lake City, UT

  420. D-FENS says:

    Freedom over absolute safety….every time.

    Libturd says:
    November 6, 2020 at 10:55 am
    3B,

    You are right on everything but Covid coverage. Covid was not a tool of the Democrats to hate on the Republicans. Though, the Republicans (through their willingness to walk the plank with their supposed savior in The Donald) DID choose to downplay the seriousness of it while it is probably going to end up the most important and society-changing event of our lifetime.

  421. D-FENS says:

    The election has been compromised

  422. crushednjmillenial says:

    Dumpster Fire: The Dems’ Showing in House and Senate Races in 2020. I enjoyed and agreed with this article.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/04/dems-post-mortem-election-2020-434044

  423. crushednjmillenial says:

    NJ CD-2: AP calls Van Drew (R) winner this hour.

    3 incumbent Dems might be getting kicked out of NY’s 27-member congressional delegation (Rose, Suozzi, and Brindisi).

  424. 3b says:

    Just send us the 10k check!

  425. ExEssex says:

    WFH is fine but beyond that the freelance nature of work out west is a bit unsettling.
    Welcome to the twenty-first century. You are useful as long as 1. There is a budget 2. You are actually useful.

  426. joyce says:

    I’m still amazed how you and Fabius can “objectively” interpret every thing in such crazy ways.

    Comrade Nom Deplume, Embracing the Suck says:
    November 6, 2020 at 10:02 am
    Phoenix,

    Without a recount and some commonly accepted legitimacy to the process, this is, for all intents and purposes, a coup d’etat. Yes, I am aware that a coup is traditionally the seizure of power by force and nondemocratic means, but what is the functional difference between a military coup that removes a head of state and a party-led manipulation of the vote?

    I think that this can be challenged by citizenry in a new resistance. I predict funded lawsuits that challenge the election indirectly by challenging Biden executive orders. The thinking is that the order is null and void if the Executive is without authority to issue it, and that challenge to authority would be that Biden was never properly elected. Losing effort because that requires challenging state certifications.

    Another avenue would be that–challenging the state certifications themselves and going after the secretaries of state and election officials for derogation of their duty. It would be a way to force an examination of the vote and undermine the perceived legitmacy of a President Biden.

  427. joyce says:

    Even without the electoral college it wouldn’t be a democracy.

    RentL0rd says:
    November 6, 2020 at 10:42 am
    I agree it’s not a true democracy as long as we have the electoral college. In that vein, we are also “not the greatest country”. So, either we quit saying these words or if we say it, we up hold democratic values. Which is: EVERY f’in VOTE COUNTS. Mail-ins, Absentee, Military… EVERY SINGLE ONE!

  428. 3b says:

    It was never meant to be a democracy. The founding fathers were terrified of democracy; they believed it was mob rule. It is or is supposed to be a constitutional republic.

  429. Juice Box says:

    New Jersey voter turnout was only 57% and everyone was mailed a ballot.

    NY and CA were even lower!

    Think about that one for a second.

    Provisional count is next week.

  430. Bystander says:

    First up fun, Donald J Quixote will chase his fraud wind mills alone. Hey Don, the craps game is over and R people are leaving the table. Get ready to get thrown under the bus.

  431. 3b says:

    Juice: count me in that low voter turnout! My ballot went in the recycle bin! So even in blue trump hating states turn out was low. Guess a lot of people looked at the choices and said no thanks, or just did not give a shit either way.

  432. Bystander says:

    I love it. Rs talking about circling around their warrior Don during this time. Mark it down, a one term loser will be tossed aside. This is not Reagan, red hat dolts. He makes Carter looks like Lincoln.

  433. joyce says:

    Every vote counts and should be counted. If rules require or allow for the possibility of a recount, then let that play out. It won’t change the outcome unless the margin is in the hundreds of votes which looks unlikely. Plus, Trump would need to recount and win multiple states… won’t happen. The courts are open (fortunately and unfortunately at times) for legitimate lawsuits. That co-equal branch needs to adjudicate accordingly assuming no legitimate evidence of fraud/illegal/improper behavior is presented.

  434. Hold my beer says:

    Bystander

    Is this you? NSFW

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAEcCgiXMac

  435. SomeOne says:

    D-FENS,

    Freedom over absolute safety….every time.

    What are thoughts on no-knock warrants, patriot act, and qualified immunity for police?

  436. D-FENS says:

    Bad, bad, bad

  437. ExEssex says:

    2:34 a true New Yorker right there.
    Glad too see he’s still the same !

  438. RentL0rd says:

    D-F’ens, there are many psychiatric facilities you can check into. Make sure you wear a mask.

  439. Libturd says:

    This election was not compromised. Perhaps you simply have BDS?

  440. ExEssex says:

    No, he’s been listening to the president’s eldest son who took to Twitter to throw what has become a Trump family tradition: an impotent shit fit. “The best thing for America’s future is for @realDonaldTrump to go to total war over this election to expose all of the fraud, cheating, dead/no longer in state voters, that has been going on for far too long,”

  441. Libturd says:

    Lefty, may be a few minutes late. Just madness between D’s ninja and his brother’s hockey game. We should be there by 7 at the latest.

  442. Hold my beer says:

    Biden to Trump tonight

    “Go get some boxes.”

  443. njtownhomer says:

    Where will be the Trump Presidential library/museum? Any guesses? I’d say Doral Miami Golf to maximize the incoming traffic and profits.

  444. Bystander says:

    Njtown,

    Closer to Martinsville IN would make sense. Free hoods at door. Pence bible study wing should contain separate entrances for men and women. Can’t risk any satanic flirtation.

  445. Hold my beer says:

    Njtown

    He can takeover an abandoned clown school. It will have golden toilets and dozens of TVs streaming Fox News and a kfc in the basement. And parking will be billed in 45 second increments

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