C19 Open Discussion Week 38b

From the Star Ledger:

N.J. scraps COVID-19 state-by-state travel advisory, calls for all travelers to quarantine

With coronavirus cases rising across the country, New Jersey is abandoning the state-by-state formula it has used the last five months to determine its quarantine travel advisory, Gov. Phil Murphy announced Wednesday.

Instead, a day before Thanksgiving, the state is now asking people who travel from any U.S. state or territory except immediate neighbors New York, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, and Delaware to voluntarily self-quarantine for 14 days after arriving.

Murphy is also urging people to avoid all unnecessary travel to and from the state.

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85 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 38b

  1. Phoenix says:

    First.
    On Thanksgiving. A day off work.

  2. Phoenix says:

    A Serious man. Perfect movie to watch this morning.

  3. dentss dunnigan says:

    “This scheme and artifice to defraud affected tens of thousands of votes in Georgia alone and ‘rigged’ the election in Georgia for Joe Biden.”…..Trump destroyed 17 high profile rich Republicans in the primaries.

    Trump destroyed your high profile rich Hillary Clinton.

    Trump destroyed your DemoRat Russia hoax.

    Trump destroyed your DemoRat impeachment hoax.

    Trump is your President and will be for the next 4 years.

  4. Juice Box says:

    Neighbor txted us today, they had to take their son for a COVID test. Seems his headache his only symptom is enough for the nurse Karen to call for a quarantine of 4 other kids but not everyone else who rode the bus yesterday.

    I have a massive free range organic turkey sitting in a brine bag since yesterday, but we cancelled Thanksgiving.

    It’s just a shame I cannot procure some high explosives at Hone Depot. I may toss the Turkey into the fire pit And roast it with whiskey. The local food pantry only wants canned dry goods.

  5. 3b says:

    Juice: What’s for dinner??

  6. Chicago says:

    I suggest Juice Box change his handle to Brine Bag.

    Happy Thanksgiving.

  7. Juice Box says:

    I have all the standard stuff, turkey, stuffing, mashed potatoes, gravy, green beans, dinner rolls, home made cranberry sauce and for dessert we made mini cheesecakes. I can cut the side dishes down in size, so no loss there, but the bird is big, going to feed my dog Turkey everyday, but that won’t be enough.

    It looks like I will have to go all in on Turkey leftovers for a week. Turkey Pasta Casserole, Turkey Enchiladas , Turkey Sandwiches, Turkey Soup And my personal favorite spicy Turkey Chili. I may make a gallon of Chili and freeze it in small containers so I can have it for lunch and take a Tryptophan Nap after…

  8. 3b says:

    Juice: That is impressive. Small gathering this year for us, so we just ordered it all from Maywood Market.

  9. Juice Box says:

    Neighbors kid just took off for Florida this morning. I doubt he will be quarantining when he comes back.

    Governor said the New Jersey Department of Health would follow up with more quarantine guidance “in the coming days” for people returning to the state from holiday travel. Are they getting lists from the Airlines? News says about 200,000 will be traveling through Newark airport this Holiday alone.

  10. Juice Box says:

    Covid Vaccine Survey results on NJ.com

    Seems nobody trusts sSleepy Joe Biden! Lol!!!!

    How much do you trust that a vaccine given emergency authorization by the FDA will be safe and effective?

    I completely trust that it will be safe and effective (2921 Votes, 17%)

    I trust it enough that I will take the vaccine (9343 Votes, 56%)

    I do not trust that it will be safe and effective (4533 Votes, 27%)

    Which of the following will you most trust for advising you to get the vaccine?

    My Healthcare provider recommends it (5302 Votes, 34%)

    Dr. Anthony Fauci recommends it (4933 Votes, 32%)

    My employer recommends it (251 Votes, 2%)

    President Trump recommends it (1320 Votes, 8%)

    The FDA has provided Emergency Authorization (3425 Votes, 22%)

    President-elect Biden recommends it (362 Votes, 2%)

    Do you consider yourself to be a member of one of the following high risk groups (select the best answer)

    Health Care Worker including EMT (961 Votes, 6%)

    Diagnosed with an underlying medical condition (3654 Votes, 24%)

    First Responder such as Police or Fire (542 Votes, 4%)

    Essential Worker such as, Retail, Transit or other Public Facing Employee (2218 Votes, 15%)

    Elderly or living in a nursing home (1762 Votes, 12%)

    Not part of a high-risk group (6040 Votes, 40%)

  11. Hold my beer says:

    We got Texas bbq take out. 2 pounds of meat and 4 pounds of side dishes. Will put a few sweet potatoes in the ninja foodi and make some greens. Much easier than making everything ourselves.

  12. Juice Box says:

    So SCOTUS ruled yesterday in favor of the churches in NY against Cuomo’s ban on gathering of more than 10 people in a church.

    SCOTUS won’t even meet in person for deliberation, yet they deem it ok for 7000 person wedding super spreader events?

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/barrett-casts-first-known-vote-as-scotus-blocks-ny-covid-limits-on-houses-of-worship

  13. Joe Biden says:

    Happy New Year’s all!

  14. Phoenix says:

    So what happened to a “speedy” trial? Let these “officials” show up to work just like the rest of us.

    New Jersey’s top law enforcement official on Wednesday ordered prosecutors to halt all low-level marijuana cases statewide

    Yet the latest directive does not stop arrests, which disproportionately target Black people in New Jersey,

  15. SomeOne says:

    Juice,

    SCOTUS won’t even meet in person for deliberation, yet they deem it ok for 7000 person wedding super spreader events?

    Quite a few Darwin awards possible from the pools of 7k+ groups. They will likely get the equivalent of 70 virgins.

  16. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Lovely…

    “Microsoft rolled out its new “Productivity Score” feature this month, which lets bosses track how their employees use Microsoft’s suite of tools. If that sounds like an Orwellian nightmare in the making to you, you’re not alone—privacy experts are criticizing the company for essentially gamifying workplace surveillance.”

    https://apple.news/AWXxY7R1UTfWvWOPbwSr6UA

  17. Phoenix says:

    Pumps,
    Similar software has been around for years. And probably worse.

  18. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    If by now, you don’t think a generational shift has occurred with how people live and work your brain dead. Or more likely willfully ignorant. This is the Great Depression for this era, everyone will be scarred by it until they die.

  19. Hold my beer says:

    This is where Congress is headed. Blowing whistles and sounding air horns during opponents speech. The pig guts were a bit much. Waste of offal.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/fists-pig-guts-fly-taiwan-062720692.html

  20. 30 year realtor says:

    Truth,

    We are in the Great Depression of our era? That makes Trump this era’s Herbert Hoover.

    What finally brought you around to the realization that Trump wrecked everything? Did you have an epiphany?

  21. Phoenix says:

    HMB,
    Americans just sit back and accept whatever corporations decide is good for us. These chemicals are not benign.
    Our lawmakers would allow cyanide into all of our food if they received a large enough check.

  22. Fast Eddie says:

    The machine is back in place; the swamp is filling as I write… the laxity and stealth unruliness of the libertine party is well-versed in the art of deception. I, like many, have a lot to be thankful for but we’re entering a dark period for the next four years. Adjust and invest accordingly and hope the legislative and judicial branches of government hold the incoming cartel in check.

    As far as 80 million Americans are concerned, we have no president after January 20th. 80 million or more haven’t forgotten the lies, forgery, slander and false accusations by the leftists and will willfully ignore the stuttered stooge that has already announced the appointment of a slew of members from the old guard. Ignore the noise, mock the witless media as they fawn over the senile fool and create your own path forward.

  23. 30 year realtor says:

    Every Republican administration going back to Nixon, with the exception of Ford, has ended in disaster or scandal.

    The Republicans who whine about investigations of Trump have exceptionally short memories. If you like I can recount all the Republican investigations of the past few decades.

    Today’s Republicans are a bunch of whining snowflakes.

  24. 3b says:

    Depression? Not yet, people are out bidding housing prices up to insane levels and spending money in general. No depression yet, but there will be.

  25. Chicago says:

    It’s politics. Everything is posturing for the cameras and reporters.

    30 year realtor says:
    November 27, 2020 at 9:56 am
    Every Republican administration going back to Nixon, with the exception of Ford, has ended in disaster or scandal.

    The Republicans who whine about investigations of Trump have exceptionally short memories. If you like I can recount all the Republican investigations of the past few decades.

    Today’s Republicans are a bunch of whining snowflakes.

  26. Chicago says:

    McConnel is one creepy SOB.

    When Reid was in there. What a pair.

    Reid had dead eyes. The eyes of a murderer.

  27. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    I was talking about the stigma. This will factor in every life decision that people make for the remainder of their life.

    Where to live, work, start a business. Dummy thinks we will get the genie back in the bottle and go back to “normal”.

  28. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It’s always changing, yet it’s not.

    Of course this pandemic changed how we live, but don’t think for a second that cities won’t make a comeback after this is gone. Humans have short term memory. Understand this.

    Do you think it’s possible to house the world’s population outside of dense cities? Do you think human civilization can support 7 billion people without cities?

    Do you think you can have entire workforce that works from home? Use your head instead of reading the trendy headlines. For a small portion, yes, they will work from home like they always have. The majority are going to be going somewhere to work and it won’t be their house.

    ESP big shots, no big shot money maker is going to be working from home. You can’t get there without developing a network that requires in person relationships. People making big money from home will be the anomaly, not the norm. There will be a negative stigma attached to people that work from home as opposed to in person.

    In the end, the city will still attract the individual that goes to work and is a go getter. (You think people want to work from home in the city? In some small apartment?)Rural will attract what it always has, the second rate worker that will work from home.

    TruthIsTheEnemy says:
    November 27, 2020 at 8:17 am
    If by now, you don’t think a generational shift has occurred with how people live and work your brain dead. Or more likely willfully ignorant. This is the Great Depression for this era, everyone will be scarred by it until they die.

  29. Chicago says:

    They say the most dangerous 5 miles in America are the ones across The NJTP from the airport. However, I would argue it’s and situation that you find yourself in between Chuck Schumer and a camera.

  30. Bystander says:

    4 years of crazy conspiracy, victimhood and insane dishonesty comes to end. Projecting mushroom diks accomplishments won’t matter. One term loser. The fight is for Q crazies now who make up the 80m.

    Sidney Powell is releasing the Kraken? More like smoking the Kraken.

  31. JCer says:

    On the supreme court, based on the law it is the right ruling. Idiots like Sotomayor are totally unconcerned with the law, she has no place on the supreme court her opinions tend to veer entirely into this how I want it to be rather than the intent of the law. So much of this lock down is unconstitutional full stop, there is no provision for this scenario that allows the government to suspend the rights of private citizens under circumstances where there is a virus that kills maybe 1%. Furthermore it’s hard to so unevenly apply the law where you say it’s OK for people to riot but assembly for religious purposed is unlawful. Personally I am doing neither but one cannot help but see how hypocritical the politicians are and how blatantly unconstitutional these actions are.

    “Normal” people cannot be politicians, they would be eaten alive it takes a particular kind of a$$hole to be a “successful” politician.

    Ok 30yr Trump is Hoover, but you are putting your faith in Beijing Biden, we are beyond screwed………

  32. ExEssex says:

    Beyond screwed? Good.

  33. Juice Box says:

    Speaking of screwed. I spent the morning dissembling my kitchen oven door. Two measly screws hold the handle assembly in place, one got loose and I almost ripped the handle off yesterday. Basting a Turkey every 1/2 hour is punishing on oven doors. I also took the time to clean all the glass and components. Amazing how much gunk can get inside an oven door over time.

  34. Very Stable Genius says:

    A donor who gave $2.5 million to a pro-Trump group looking for election fraud wants his money back after disappointing results

    Sinéad Baker
    Nov 27, 2020, 6:51 AM

    A venture capitalist who gave $2.5 million to a pro-Trump group that said it was trying to find evidence of election fraud is now looking for a refund.

    A lawsuit said Fred Eshelman gave vast sums to the Texas-based True the Vote Inc. but was soon disappointed with its efforts.

    True the Vote mounted suits in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin but later dropped them. It says it is nonetheless still investigating fraud allegations.

    Eshelman said he pressed True the Vote for details of how it was spending his money but instead got “platitudes, and empty promises.”

  35. Fast Eddie says:

    Trump’s list of accomplishments are numerous and it kills the democrat followers to the point of blind rage. Trump tarnished the imaginary image of Oblammy and it drives leftist followers insane. The deranged left is a proper term… those who physically attack, destroy, loot and burn. They thrive on false hope, can’t understand why government has yet to supply the answers, weep over the fact that their position and status in life has not changed.

    You’ve had 60 years of promises of transformation which delivered nothing, produced nothing and left you with nothing. As the song goes: “Waiting for someone or something to show you the way.” Now you need to somehow defend the actions of an old, broken man, who, like his followers, has accomplished very little in his 47-year piratic and larcenous career.

    Old swamp creatures like John Kerry is appointed to yet another wasted, useless position… the same John Kerry who said there will be no peace in the Middle East between Arab countries and Israel yet Trump, among his many achievements, has brokered a deal when Obammy was talking about fake red lines.

    Who knows how many “insiders” will be advising the old f.uck. We can only hope for gridlock as those who really make the country go can do so with minimal leftist obstruction.

  36. ExEssex says:

    Keep that list Eddie along with the one Santa makes.

  37. Bystander says:

    ..and Carter brokered peace between Egypt and Israel. Is that how he is remembered? Not like peace is fleeting in ME anyway. A price of paper has really mattered..one term loser
    .repeat until it stinks in.

  38. Bystander says:

    Trump’s little list of accomplishments fits on his little desk. What a buffoon.

  39. Fast Eddie says:

    I get the disappointment on the left, it’s understandable. What I can’t understand is why you think the progressives are going to do anything that benefits the good of the country or why they’re going to fulfill any promises. How many times can one be duped?
    Extortion in the form of higher taxes and distribution is not a plan, it’s placating the masses in exchange for power. And again, why would any man clamor for a support system and safety nets if one is capable? It goes against the nature of what it means to be a man. But, I suppose weakness comes in all forms.

  40. D-FENS says:

    Mine had holes at the bottom. I soaked a small rag in windex, attached it to a dowel and used it to clean the inside of the glass.

    Not as thorough as disassembling the door but good for interim cleanings.

    Juice Box says:
    November 27, 2020 at 12:05 pm
    Speaking of screwed. I spent the morning dissembling my kitchen oven door. Two measly screws hold the handle assembly in place, one got loose and I almost ripped the handle off yesterday. Basting a Turkey every 1/2 hour is punishing on oven doors. I also took the time to clean all the glass and components. Amazing how much gunk can get inside an oven door over time.

  41. 3b says:

    WFH is the future and it’s here now. It’s not going away all the hysterics by one person won’t change that. The days of high priced commercial and residential real estate in and near cities is coming to an end. The cities will have to readjust and be come competitive those of us who work in corporate America understand this. In the end it will be a good thing.

  42. Very Stable Genius says:

    MORE STORIES
    PIERS MORGAN: Put your toys back in the stroller and admit defeat, Mr President – or your increasingly sad and pathetic sore loser antics really will make you Diaper Don.

    On Thanksgiving day, footage emerged of President Trump playing a round of Thanksgiving Day golf and hitting a tee shot into a lake at the Trump National Golf Club in Sterling, Virginia. ‘Oh s**t’ he exclaimed after playing the shot, closely followed by the words: ‘I hate this f***ing hole.’ Others around him chuckled, but Trump remained stony-faced. He was absolutely furious.

    Day by day, hour by hour, his presidency and power is being diminished. And the longer he goes on squealing about a ‘rigged and fraudulent’ election, and the more he throws his toys out of the stroller about the election being ‘stolen’ from him, the smaller and more ridiculous he becomes.

    The cold hard reality is that come January 20, whether Trump wants to concede or not, and regardless of whether he turns up at the Inauguration, he will no longer be leader of the world and Joe Biden will become President of the United States.

  43. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Do you really believe your own bs or just messing with me?

    The days of high priced real estate coming to an end…you are one funny guy.

  44. Phoenix says:

    “he will no longer be leader of the world.”
    WTF? The president of the United States is not leader of the world. He is the president of the United States.

  45. 3b says:

    No BS. You are stuck in the past. You have no idea what’s coming down the line with WFH. I have so many friends and relatives in corporate America, and so much is coming with WFH. As noted the days of high priced commercial and residential real state prices are coming to the end. Plan accordingly.

  46. 3b says:

    Why do we say leader of the Free world back in the Soviet iron curtain days, but why now? Seems to me the leader of the unfree world is China, who controls us economically , and under Biden that subservient relationship will be restored.

  47. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You just don’t get it. You really don’t. You think a place like New York City is going to stop growing because of WFH? Dense urban areas are the future, not the past.

    You might think living in some cheap rural area is paradise, but most human beings don’t agree. That’s why they drive up the price of real estate in cities.

  48. Very Stable Genius says:

    LIVE
    Updated
    Nov. 27, 2020, 3:52 p.m. ET17 minutes ago
    17 minutes ago

    Transition Live Updates: Appeals Court Rejects Trump Election Challenge in Pennsylvania

    The ruling by the Third Circuit Court of Appeals was a complete repudiation of President Trump’s effort to halt Pennsylvania’s certification process. Mr. Trump committed to leave the White House in January if the electors vote, as expected, for President-elect Joe Biden on Dec. 14.

  49. The Great Pumpkin says:

    High-end New York real estate exists in its own microcosm, reliant on strange, nonlinear math. It’s as divorced from ordinary constraints as the needle towers that have risen to contain it. Even in the depths of the financial crisis, in 2008, the ultra-rich kept on building. They bought properties at cut-rate prices and turned them into luxury rentals. Or let them stand empty, assuming the market would recover. Or acquired them from China or Saudi Arabia, sight unseen, thinking the city was still a safe place to park a few million. Or just ignored the economy altogether, believing it could do them no harm. In the early months of the pandemic, there was much talk of wealthy New Yorkers fleeing the city. The market was down over all, but by fall the luxury market was rebounding: one firm sold twenty homes for more than four million dollars in the last week of September alone. “Nothing about what we do is sensible,” Ellison said. “No one does what we do to an apartment for value or resale. No one needs it. They just want it.”

    https://apple.news/AFQmKjG4KQxGR38AcSywM7Q

  50. SomeOne says:

    Pumps, are you invested in NYC RE? Are you adding to the investment?

  51. SomeOne says:

    Eddie,

    I get the disappointment on the left, it’s understandable.

    You’ve been the one that’s been a bit unhinged

  52. 3b says:

    Some: He has family in the commercial real estate business, that’s why he cares.

  53. njtownhomer says:

    give me my money back

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/27/fred-eshelman-sues-pro-trump-true-vote-election-lawsuits/6440272002/

    so many followers of today will slowly move to the other side with all swamp actions are exposed, insiders tell their story. Get popcorn subscriptions and wait for Jan 20 for start.

    Graham will be the first senator to complain about him.

  54. 3b says:

    Those of us who work for corporate America our entire careers understand. Those who do not should not be commenting, as they have zero reference.

  55. chicagofinance says:

    Let me where this Target is on Black Friday, and I will drop what I am doing and going there immediately………
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt9FG9YjBMM

  56. BRT says:

    For Jennifer Connelly or the selection of compact discs?

  57. BRT says:

    Even in the depths of the financial crisis, in 2008, the ultra-rich kept on building

    The printing press spigot went into Wall St. and all it’s residents. It never turned off. Now all of those residents have fled to Long Island, the Hamptons, New Jersey, or the southern counties of New York.

    The city already had 400,000 residents permanently leave an their entire NJ commuting workforce has been told, work from home. Between the virus, the ransacking of businesses, the lockdowns, and WFH, and the worst mayor in the country, you have the perfect storm to crush every bit of appeal that the city had from a business standpoint.

  58. 3b says:

    BRT: Even while NYC was booming companies were starting to exit the area. Geographically agnostic is the term now. NYC, Chicago, Kansas City, Atlanta, does not matter, if you have a laptop it does not matter.

  59. D-FENS says:

    Don’t take down the plywood yet. CNN is slowly breaking it to their viewers.

    https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1332499247346888704?s=21

  60. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You are sick. Anything that hurts north jersey real estate. You have some personal angst towards north jersey real estate.

    When you were going on and on for years that the suburbs were dead and that people only wanted to live in the city, I said you were wrong and full of sh!t. Did your corporate buddies tell you that suburbs were dead? And I had no business telling you that you were wrong because I don’t work in corporate, correct?

    Yet, here we are again, you now taking the position that the city is dead and never coming back. Really unbelievable how you always cling to the wrong position.

    You accuse me over and over of being biased in why I take my position. You said it 6 years ago, and are still saying it now….understand that I’m correct. What’s bias have to do with being correct?

    Your bias sends in the wrong direction on real estate over and over. Wake up.

    3b says:
    November 27, 2020 at 10:35 pm
    Those of us who work for corporate America our entire careers understand. Those who do not should not be commenting, as they have zero reference.

  61. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Do you understand that NYC is the economic heart of our nation. It’s always changing. Companies always come and go. Companies that are slowly dying move out to and try and prolong their existence. They are replaced by new companies taking over their positions. Tech is quickly taking over NYC, wake up and smell the coffee.

    Think about it. Does a trendy tech head want to live and work in some small town? No, these are people that are geared for city living. They feed off the energy.

    At the end of the day, tech is coming for their seat at the throne of the American economy which is NYC.

    3b says:
    November 28, 2020 at 9:30 am
    BRT: Even while NYC was booming companies were starting to exit the area. Geographically agnostic is the term now. NYC, Chicago, Kansas City, Atlanta, does not matter, if you have a laptop it does not matter.

  62. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Are you really taking the position that NYC is going to die? Really?!

    Miami and Vegas have been hit harder than NYC over and over through every economic cycle, and they always come back bigger and stronger. If they can do this, how can you doubt NYC?! That’s like saying Paris or Tokyo are dying. No ducking way.

    Listen, the economy goes through up and downs, as does the city that is the economic heart of our nation. It’s not a linear line of growth.

    BRT says:
    November 28, 2020 at 8:04 am
    Even in the depths of the financial crisis, in 2008, the ultra-rich kept on building

    The printing press spigot went into Wall St. and all it’s residents. It never turned off. Now all of those residents have fled to Long Island, the Hamptons, New Jersey, or the southern counties of New York.

    The city already had 400,000 residents permanently leave an their entire NJ commuting workforce has been told, work from home. Between the virus, the ransacking of businesses, the lockdowns, and WFH, and the worst mayor in the country, you have the perfect storm to crush every bit of appeal that the city had from a business standpoint.

  63. 3b says:

    Suburbs dead , yes they were, that was then, this is now. Covid/WFH has changed everything. Those of us that have spent our careers in corporate America understand how quickly things have changed, as opposed to those who have zero experience in corporate America and are howling at the moon as they don’t like what is happening as they personally may be negatively impacted by it. Stop living in the past; it’s a whole new world out there child.

  64. Phoenix says:

    HMB,
    Best stuff comes from Harlan county, Kentucky. Ask for Dickie Bennett. But don’t mess with Raylan.

  65. BRT says:

    Are you really taking the position that NYC is going to die? Really?!

    Miami and Vegas have been hit harder than NYC over and over through every economic cycle, and they always come back bigger and stronger. If they can do this, how can you doubt NYC?! That’s like saying Paris or Tokyo are dying. No ducking way.

    Listen, the economy goes through up and downs, as does the city that is the economic heart of our nation. It’s not a linear line of growth.

    This isn’t a cycle. It’s a major upheaval and dramatic shift. The writing is on the wall, those people that bought are never coming back. All my neighbors who worked in the city the past 20 years haven’t stepped foot in the city since March. Whatever businesses that were there in your nice sections were completely ransacked by the riots. The restaurants were bludgeoned over the summer by the mayor. All nightlife is closed for an entire year. It’s collapsing prices followed by stagnation. The city is begging for a bailout. It’s not too big to fail…because it already has.

  66. BRT says:

    Oklahoma’s new boom

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/one-reddest-states-became-nation-120904908.html

    I wouldn’t call this new. 25 years ago, I saw a documentary that claimed that weed was Oklahoma’s #1 cash crop.

  67. Phoenix says:

    No money has been invested in NYC infrastructure in years. It’s all old crap being poorly patched by overpaid lazy workers that cannot hold a candle to the original builders of the buildings and structures that make NYC famous.

    Way too many leaches riding on the backs and work of craftsmen that did it so well it lasted the test of time.

  68. The Great Pumpkin says:

    BRT,

    You are not looking at the big picture. You don’t get it by now? Every business that leaves/dies will be replaced and reinvented bright shiny and new. Every person that leaves will be replaced with a more younger ambitious go getter trying to make their place in this world.

    Same exact thing is happening in Cali. The only ones leaving are the ones who already made it. The has beens. There are plenty of other people hungry and ambitious in silicone valley that haven’t made theirs, and will now take advantage of the opportunities opening up to go get theirs.

  69. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You can’t just replicate the economies of Silicon Valley and NYC virtually. You can’t. When will you people understand this?

  70. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Among residents, city officials, and businesses, the big question is whether the pandemic has permanently made Silicon Valley’s mix of startup-friendly features obsolete, or whether the disruptions of the virus have simply provided an opportunity for a certain class of people to make a lifestyle change.
    “Candidly, some of those leaving have already found great wealth here in the Bay Area ecosystem, and so they have the privilege of leaving and declaring some other city ‘the next big thing,'” said Ron Conway, the founder of SV Angels who’s been called “the godfather of Silicon Valley.”
    Conway helped architect San Francisco’s tech-friendly reputation as an investor and through alliances with politicians like the late mayor Ed Lee, who passed one of Conway’s pet issues, a temporary payroll tax break that let Twitter and other San Francisco-based companies off the hook for millions of dollars.
    Not all of Silicon Valley is packing up, of course, and some VCs are poking fun at the departure headlines on Twitter. Some of this year’s exits are temporary – Bloomberg Beta’s Roy Bahat briefly moved his family to Wisconsin to help Joe Biden win the election – and the permanent exits are a win for some groups. Housing advocates say that after years of worsening tech-catalyzed income inequality, they won’t miss the leavers, and lower office and housing rents could attract newcomers and entice residents to stick around.

    https://apple.news/AMHCx8w66S2Wsdjo-fa_-kw

  71. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Exactly what I said. The minute those businesses or people left, they opened up opportunities to new ambitious people that will reinvent Silicon Valley and NYC to remain on the cutting edge of the WORLD economy. Get ready to see the fruits of their labor. Out of darkness comes light.

  72. The Great Pumpkin says:

    There’s room for Austin and Nashville’s of America to grow, but let’s not mistake them for taking over NYC’s or Silicone Valley’s position in the economy.

  73. NYCisBack ButNotREPrices says:

    Pumpkin,

    Miami is the place to go when the revolution happens in your latin american country. 60 years ago Castro, in the last 20 yrs Chavez/Maduro. Name your dictator or revolution de jeur and someone is always moving in/out of Miami.

    Vegas, well they are degenerate gamblers, hookers, and drug dealing. Frankly, someone from Vegas should redo the NJ online gambling advertising campaign, all those people they have on those commercial look like on the way to or out of rehab.

    What made NYC was the creative edge and concentrated wealth, which have dispersed. I don’t agree on riots, deBlasio in previous comments, because the point of NYC was to be always edgier, threatening and unsafe. If you want feel good safe go to Garden State Plaza. As Bill Burr said it https://youtu.be/OXkKyqucjIo?t=70

    The whole point of living in NYC was to participate in stuff like this, as the crowd you are going to find in your Wayne hood will require you to od on p3ck3r pills as they are not appealing https://www.tmz.com/2020/11/22/nyc-sheriff-underground-swingers-club-party-broken-up-covid/

  74. Juice Box says:

    Pumps -I know a New Yorker who just moved to Austin. NYC is out for now..

  75. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Juice, yes, for now. This quote gets it.

    “Everyone either thinks San Francisco is the center of the universe or it’s dead,” venture capitalist Ann Miura-Ko, who’s now in Austin, told tech journalist Eric Newcomer in his Wednesday newsletter. “It’s just super annoying because anyone who has been here for over one cycle knows it always comes back and it always also falls out of favor.”

  76. ExEssex says:

    Family member just bought a place near Charleston steps to the water.
    Wasn’t cheap, but they think it’s a sound investment. That area is apparently
    smoking hot price-wise. I’m checking out (for fun) FL water access places
    and am blown away with what you can get down there. If you like boating, there isn’t a better bang for the buck than gulf coast.

  77. 3b says:

    Juice: NYC will have to compete with other areas including real estate prices. It’s no longer on top and won’t be.

  78. OG NYCisBack ButNotREPrices says:

    Ex-Essex, Florida is the real estate of a jet printer. Cheap printer and expensive ink cartridges. What is going to get you with those water access places is flood/hurricane insurance. If you pay cash and you can afford to rebuild/go without insurance then ok.

    The one thing that will keep NYC on top is edgier creative talent, but it is anathema to high real estate prices. So the creative talent in musical, visual, performance and all other arts with concurrent low real estate values – think 70’s & 80’s.

  79. Chicago says:

    Stu: Check this out.

    What’s up man, hey yo what’s up
    Yeah what’s going on here?
    I’m sick and tired of 5-0 running up on the block
    You know what I’m saying?
    Yo, Snow they came around here looking for you the other day
    (Word?) Word, bust it
    Informer, ya’ no say daddy me Snow me I go blame
    A licky boom boom down
    ‘Tective man a say, say daddy me Snow me stab someone down the lane
    A licky boom boom down
    Informer, ya’ no say daddy me Snow me I go blame
    A licky boom boom down
    ‘Tective man a say, say daddy me Snow me stab someone down the lane
    A licky boom boom down
    Police-a them-a they come and-a they blow down me door
    One ee come crawl troo, troo my window
    So dey put me in de back de car at de station
    From that point on me reach my destination
    Where the destination reachin’ outta East Detention, where dey
    Looked down me pants, look up me bottom, so
    Informer, ya’ no say daddy me Snow me I go blame
    A licky boom boom down
    ‘Tective man a say, say daddy me Snow me stab someone down the lane
    A licky boom boom down
    Informer, ya’ no say daddy me Snow me I go blame
    A licky boom boom down
    ‘Tective man a say, say daddy me Snow me stab someone down the lane
    A licky boom boom down
    So, bigger dem are they think dem have more power
    De pon di phone me say dat one hour
    Me for want to use a once an’ now me call me lover
    Lover who me callin an’ a one Tamei
    An’ mi love er’ in my heart down to my belly-a
    Yes say daddy me Snow me I feel cool an’ deadly
    Yes the one MC Shan an’ the one Daddy Snow
    Together we-a love’em is a tor-na-do
    Informer, ya’ no say daddy me Snow me I go blame
    A licky boom boom down
    ‘Tective man a say, say daddy me Snow me stab someone down the lane
    A licky boom boom down
    Informer, ya’ no say daddy me Snow me I go blame
    A licky boom boom down
    ‘Tective man a say, say daddy me Snow me stab someone down the lane
    A licky boom boom down
    So, listen for me, you better listen for me now
    Listen for me, you better listen for me now
    When-a me rock-a the microphone, me rock on steady-a
    Yes a daddy me Snow me are de article don
    But the in an a-out a dance an they say where you come from-a?
    People dem say ya come from Jamaica
    But me born an’ raised in the ghetto that I want ya to know-a
    Pure black people man that’s all I man know
    Yeah me shoes are a-tear up an’a me toes just a show-a
    Where me-a born in are de one Toronto, so
    Informer, ya’ no say daddy me Snow me I go blame
    A licky boom boom down
    ‘Tective man a say, say daddy me Snow me stab someone down the lane
    A licky boom boom down
    Informer, ya’ no say daddy me Snow me I go blame
    A licky boom boom down
    ‘Tective man a say, say daddy me Snow me stab someone down the lane
    A licky boom boom down
    Come with a nice young lady
    Intelligent, yes she gentle and irie
    Everywhere me go me never lef’ her at all-ie
    Yes-a Daddy Snow me are the roam dance man-a
    Roam between-a dancin’ in-a in-a nation-a
    You never know say daddy me Snow me are the boom shakata
    Me never lay-a down flat in-a one cardboard box-a
    Yes-a daddy me Snow me-a go reachin’ out da top, so
    Informer, ya’ no say daddy me Snow me I go blame
    A licky boom boom down
    ‘Tective man a say, say daddy me Snow me stab someone down the lane
    A licky boom boom down
    Informer, ya’ no say daddy me Snow me I go blame
    A licky boom boom down
    ‘Tective man a say, say daddy me Snow me stab someone down the lane
    A licky boom boom down
    Why wo ee, why wo ee, an’ wo ee an’ wo ee
    Me sitting ’round cool with my dibbie-dibbie girl
    Police knock my door, lick up my pal
    Rough me up and I can’t do a thing
    Pick up my line when my telephone ring
    Take me to the station black up my hands
    Trail me down ’cause I’m hanging with the Snowman
    What I’m gonna do? I’m backed and I’m trapped
    Slap me in the face and took all of my gap
    They have no clues and they wanna get warmer
    But Shan won’t turn informer
    Informer, ya’ no say daddy me Snow me I go blame
    A licky boom boom down
    ‘Tective man a say, say daddy me Snow me stab someone down the lane
    A licky boom boom down
    Informer, ya’ no say daddy me Snow me I go blame
    A licky boom boom down
    ‘Tective man a say, say daddy me Snow me stab someone down the lane
    A licky boom boom down
    Diggity dum, diggity diggity dum, an’ wo ee, an wo, an wo ee

  80. leftwing says:

    My data set is small and self selecting but likely larger than nearly all on here regarding youngsters (22-30 yo) in tech….Colorado. Every one of them regardless of background. Other than the ones that go back ‘home’. It is THE destination.

    The reality of tech expanding from the bay Area is that they have literally exhausted every sentient being with a decent degree and 3.0 average that was willing to move to SF or Seattle. These companies are coming East – or to Austin, Nashville, etc – not because of the inherent benefits of these areas as they exist today but because they cannot find any one else to come West at even the most extreme overpayment of comp. They’ve hired the vast majority of eligible and qualified bodies. The marginal cost of enticing the remaining cohort is too much.

    True story, edited for discretion. From one of my better friends who is making the job offer shortly. A well known but what would be considered mid-range at best major ‘tech’ corp is offering a kid two years out of a non-descript school with an arts degree in CS $180k guaranteed for their PM (not development) team locally…..Two years out of a local college with a BA…..

    Anyway, more importantly, just got back into town and E! is playing 30Rock. I forgot how funny and well written that show was….plus half the sh1t they put on there wouldn’t clear PC censors these days.

    Cheers All.

    Oh, and brought back Bambi in a cooler. My niece (17) got one by bow and nailed one with a rifle when the season started Tues. Was able to get it cleaned and butchered. Venison for all.

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