C19 Open Discussion Week 41b

From Northjersey.com

‘Historic day’ in pandemic fight as health care workers first in NJ to get COVID vaccine

At 8:10 a.m. Tuesday, with a single needle prick to nurse Maritza Beniquez’s arm, New Jersey began its counterattack on a virus that has killed more than 17,000 of its residents, crippled whole sectors of its economy and shattered the routines of everyone from preschoolers to nursing home residents. 

The shot felt ‘round the state came 286 days after the first patient in New Jersey was diagnosed with the coronavirus disease and nearly a year after reports of a previously unknown disease emerged from central China.

It was administered at University Hospital in Newark, located in the hardest-hit county of this hard-hit state. Since March, the hospital has discharged more than 1,200 coronavirus patients, seen 269 die and lost 11 of its staff members to the disease, including one just last week.

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269 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 41b

  1. grim says:

    “Since when did it become customary to introduce yourself as Dr. for non-medical professionals?”

    Doctors that refer to themselves as Doctor, and work in settings where their staff refers to them as Doctor, are a bunch of pompous assholes. Almost always, if a doctor calls me by my first name, and then introduces themselves as Doctor Lastname, I will not only refer to them by first name, I will continually emphasize their first name using it wherever possible.

    Only real exception is when it’s an older individual, and they have clearly achieved notable stature, and they address me as Mr. Lastname, will I break the rule.

  2. A Home Buyer says:

    Bystander,

    I’m sorry for asking you to waste your time watching something that has an opposing viewpoint to your own that may help you understand the “other side” and why he may be acquitted of the more serious charges when actually brought to trial and evidence presented.

  3. Juice Box says:

    re : pompous assholes”

    Grim —-> https://twitter.com/DrBiden

  4. A Home Buyer says:

    Not wasting my time if the premise starts on logical fallacy that it is ok for police to escort an armed child vigilante into a violent situation. I don’t care about his scout badges, nor the characters of the people shot because there is no reason for him to be there except to shoot people, the inevitable outcome.

    What part of the video did you watch too before turning it off to arriving at this statement?

    Or was watching any part of it too much of giving into the “logical fallacy”?

  5. Bystander says:

    Hb,

    I have better use of 68m plus I don’t like signing into YouTube to view things. One question, does the doc put out the premise that Kyle was trying to protect businesses and he had right to carry AR-15 into that situation? Yes or no.

  6. JUice Box says:

    Some of Covid scientists and doctors I follow on twitter etc some very brilliant people do not use the Dr. handle in their names.

    Then there are others, who bring a whole new level of anti-vax to the party…

    https://twitter.com/drsimonegold

  7. Juice Box says:

    Gun violence is an epidemic in the democratic party and democratic run cities. YES or NO?

    I am curious as to who is to blame for all of the gun violence the democrats inflict on each other.

  8. ExEssex says:

    yOu’lL gIt mAh gUn wHen yOu pRy mY cOld dEad HaNd…..

  9. BRT says:

    Rittenhouse is not going to be found guilty of murder. Realistically, a 17 year old kid has no businesses traveling and taking up arms in the middle of a riot. You even see in one of those clips, one of the older friends of his telling him “I told you three times, to stay back and get over there”. These militia are not police and have no ability to ward off a crowd with non-lethal means…so they let the people there continually push the limit, as they do with police until police tear gas and pepper spray them back. That’s not an option.

    At some point, it appears Rittenhouse put out a fire and that pissed off the pedophile with the shaved head. A chase ensued and you can see Rittenhouse retreat continually. During the retreat, someone else fires a gun. Once the guy catches up to him behind the car, he shoots him. Then immediately calls someone, then as the crowd begins to decend on him, he flees. The crowd immediately chases him.

    The medic with a gun, Gaige Grosskreutz is live feeding the chase and actually makes it up to Rittenhouse and Rittenhouse tells him he’s getting the cops. So, Rittenhouse is fleeing to the police. The crowd catches up, one guy gets in his flying karate kick after knocking him down.

    The next dude, the skateboarder charges with the skateboard in full swing. Rittenhouse fires. He dies.

    Immediately after, Gaige the livestreaming medic with a gun puts his hands up, then immediately goes for the quick draw on him and is too slow. Rittenhouse shoots him in the arm.

    In every case, Rittenhouse was fleeing. The question is how the interaction off camera went with the first shooting. On the second one, you clearly have defense against a guy that smacked him with the skateboard. On the third one, you got a guy drawing on you.

    Listen, the kid may be a goon and shouldn’t have been there (neither should the rest of the militia or rioters) he also probably said a lot of stupid things online, but he’s not going to be found guilty of murder with that evidence.

    At the end of the day, this is the type of crap that happens when there is a riot and the police are not allowed to put it down quickly. And when they make arrests, they don’t lead to charges because they are continually dropped. I wish the prosecutors were so generous when I got a parking ticket for picking up my grandmother in a wheelchair in a no parking zone.

  10. A Home Buyer says:

    Bystander,

    From memory, No it doesn’t. The closest it comes is the author stating his own intentions for one sentence (combating misinformation) and showing Kyle exactly as recorded throughout the night. I have it in my history but I haven’t watched it recently.

    The non video material is his narration of timeline video and minor background information about the key individuals (with everyone except Kyle who the narrator doesn’t cover in any depth outside of the recorded video of that night).

    If it’s absolutely critical that your idealogy not be exposed to such thoughts, let me watch it again tomorrow and confirm the above and I can let you know if it passes censorship.

  11. BRT says:

    Most people haven’t seen this vid. It’s the livestream of the 3rd guy that gets shot.

  12. ExEssex says:

    Honestly not sure wtf that was exactly.
    Kid crosses state lines with that weapon.
    That’ll be what they hammer him on.

  13. ExEssex says:

    Massive Russian hacker intrusion violates government computers.
    Malware access to systems. Going on for months while the dipshit in chief
    continues his leadership charade.

  14. chicagofinance says:

    Every superintendent in NJ is called Dr. xxx

    People referred to my kids 4th grade math teacher as Dr. Martino….. she was the highest paid teacher in the district….. and made less than all the administrators that shuffle paper……

    chicagofinance says:
    December 15, 2020 at 8:36 pm
    Huh? It’s done all the time…..

    Juice Box says:
    December 15, 2020 at 9:37 am
    Since when did it become customary to introduce yourself as Dr. for non-medical professionals?

  15. ExEssex says:

    Buckle Up Buttercups:

    Forecasters predict the storm will hit the Tri-State Area from Wednesday and will continue into Thursday
    The storm could rival snowfall last seen in the Big Apple in 2010 when 20.1 inches fell in Central Park
    New Yorkers were on Tuesday seen stocking up for the bad weather, buying shovels, salt and sleds
    A snow alert has been issued; restaurants will have to stop outdoor dining, effective 2pm Wednesday
    There are travel warnings also in place with forecasters predicting delays, school closures and power outages
    Long-range meteorologist Tyler Roys said the snowfall ‘could be enough to last until Christmas’ in some areas

  16. ExEssex says:

    Yeah an earned Doctorate is a legit achievement,
    The dipshit from Northwestern essentially cancelled
    himself by picking on Dr Biden. Fuuuuuuck that old boomer.
    He and most of you can suck a c*ck… a big thick one like i know you like.

  17. Grim says:

    PhD and EdD are not equivalent

    Sorry.

    At best it should be considered something more like an MBA.

  18. Grim says:

    Tons of online EdD programs with as few as 42 credit hours.

    14 classes gets you a doctor title? Sign me up.

  19. Juice Box says:

    BRT – your point is a kid should not have been there with a gun is correct. He is charged as an adult and will go to jail so someone could get elected. It is infact really insidious, there for some reason no more civil disobedience and no more marches? What has really changed since Nov 3rd? It’s seems to me now like “magic” all the grievances are resolved….

  20. ExEssex says:

    Recent LinkedIn report highlighted the cities that have seen an influx of newcomers between April and October 2020
    Austin, Texas was ranked the number one destination, followed by Phoenix, Arizona, Nashville, Tennessee and Tampa, Florida
    Conversely, Hartford, Connecticut, New York City, and the San Francisco Bay Area have lost the most residents during the pandemic
    Data shows cost of living played a major factor in where people decided to move
    Tesla CEO Elon Musk recently announced he had moved to Austin after criticizing California officials’ handling of the pandemic
    In August, podcast host Joe Rogan revealed he was moving to Texas’ state capital, to ‘have a little bit more freedom’

  21. ExEssex says:

    An EdD is an administration degree and yeah most of the Karen’s that get them
    Wish to be called Dr.

  22. Juice Box says:

    re: Austin

    I know a real baller just moved from NJ to Austin, she was a stay at home mom for a decade, spent high school in San Fran and was valedictorian even with her broken English as “China” is her heritage… no issue getting a great job there..

    Elon’s starship is about 200 miles south…Lots of land there to move a car company….

  23. Juice Box says:

    re: Storm

    Printed my Christmas cards at Costco this year. 100 for about $26 with envelopes, in and out quick but it was a mad rush there. It was crazy at the Post office for stamps as I have family all over and cannot get international stamps at Costco.

    Had to spend more time than I would have liked with aging men and women who should be home, there was even a blue hair sighting. The silent and boomer generations are gonna die soon without a vaccine, they cannot stay home no matter who tells them too.

  24. njtownhomer says:

    Elon is trying to get the semis built in a suburban borough nearby Austin, also his AI chips are being designed there. He got all the goodies from the state, back when he got the launch-pads for spaceX for free. That said, ATX is becoming the next SF. It was already expensive and crowded. Fun for young but bad school systems. After this year there won’t be any true locals left in the city.

    BTW, I got a PhD, and use my title when necessary. But that dickhead and Murdock’s sent a message to Biden’s. There will be more to come.

  25. Fabius Maximus says:

    Ok, a lot to process here.
    The guy that wrote that piece is a Mysoginist Ahole. Comments from his former students paint a picture of the big chip on his shoulder that he only has a BA and that he hates his female students.
    I am sure I can get a PhD from TrumpU, but as it not accredited to anything it’s worthless. Yes there was a lot of fraud in the in Ed Diploma mills. But if her degree is accredited, it has standing. As to the arguement that it needs to be an MD or physical science to be real, that is complete BS. The most impressive PhD I worked with was an English major. I was working with him as he was computer illiterate. He was researching language structure. When I started a course on Compiler Construction and hit the part of language Syntax and Semantics, you could plug his writings in 1 for 1.
    Grim. 42 credits, yea that’s nothing, given your previous multiple masters, I’m sure you can get that number down with course credit. So lets have Dr Grim.

    I met a lot of student teachers the past few years (long story) the main thing I got from the science teachers was, they had done their masters in engineering with thesis and that was a lot easier than what they had to do for the edTPA for their masters.

  26. BRT says:

    Correction 14 fluff classes

  27. BRT says:

    I met a lot of student teachers the past few years (long story) the main thing I got from the science teachers was, they had done their masters in engineering with thesis and that was a lot easier than what they had to do for the edTPA for their masters.

    My wife was in a PhD Chemistry program and got her masters in teaching simultaneously from TCNJ at night. She was able to do so because the latter was a complete joke. Just about every education program is a joke.

    And a PhD in English far far far outweighs a crappy EdD.

  28. JCer says:

    Essex the gun never crossed state lines. Yes the kid had no business being there, without the gun he likely would have been dead though. The videos show irrefutable proof of self defense, the prosecutor should be hung by his thumbs for even bringing this case. Frankly the governor and other political figures in Wisconsin should be liable for the deaths and destruction. They allowed these situations for political purposes, they failed to disburse these riots what the hell did they expect? Did they expect people to allow their businesses to be torched? Armed conflict was inevitable when the government failed to enforce the law, everyone was armed and violent acts were being committed…..

  29. grim says:

    Dr Grim looked into doctoral programs earlier this year and made the mistake of entering my email for more info.

    To which I received dozens of cold recruiting calls and aggressive emails for EDD programs. Zero doubt that these were commissioned salespeople.

    Pretty much what I needed to know about these programs.

  30. Grim says:

    Suppose I should be content with demanding that people refer to me as Master, on account of those degrees.

  31. BRT says:

    As I said before, maybe some people missed it, but every gym teacher turned superintendent has an EdD and refers to themselves as “doctor”. We as a society ridicule them all the time. Why would that perception change? A doctor in “educational leadership”. I wish you worked with these people. All of those fluff courses they take peddle lies and disproven methodology developed by a bunch of people who never set foot in the classroom and drew ridiculous conclusions from their limited flawed data. It’s basically the equivalent of a masters in voodoo.

  32. BRT says:

    The real scam is Nova Southeastern University. Basically a diploma mill. All the admin were getting their EdDs from there in 2008. The state universities realized there was money to be made and crafted their own “accelerated virtual” programs.

  33. BRT says:

    He should have never been there to begin with. Imagine as a parent if your 17 year old said I’m going to defend the gas station from rioters.

  34. grim says:

    Where the f is the brine?

  35. 3b says:

    Salt and water.

  36. Bystander says:

    “without the gun he likely would have been dead though”

    ..and without the AR 15, little Charles Bronson does not show up. I don’t need a documentary to show me the crux of problem. Outlaw the deadly toy.

  37. 1987 Condo says:

    I called all my instructors in college “professor” regardless of degree….

  38. D-FENS says:

    More likely that he wouldn’t have shown up if there wasn’t a riot. Crux of the problem.

    Bystander says:
    December 16, 2020 at 8:49 am
    “without the gun he likely would have been dead though”

    ..and without the AR 15, little Charles Bronson does not show up. I don’t need a documentary to show me the crux of problem. Outlaw the deadly toy.

  39. D-FENS says:

    I’m not commuting anyway. Gassed up the generator and got the suicide cord at the ready. Overseas co-workers are online during a Typhoon, out of state co-workers are online during wildfires and hurricanes. Gotta compete.

    grim says:
    December 16, 2020 at 8:32 am
    Where the f is the brine?

  40. ExEssex says:

    7:59 it is an artificial hierarchy fed by the notion that a degree will get you places.
    Friend of mine completed an online counseling masters, program was not accredited and impressed no one leaving that teacher stranded in the classroom with no hope of becoming a counselor.

  41. ExEssex says:

    Picked up a gorgeous little inverter generator last month, thing is so quiet, runs forever on a tank (economy mode) and saved my food in the fridge.

  42. JCer says:

    BRT hell no, I’m sure the kids parents wouldn’t have wanted him there. No sane person thinks this is a “good idea”. But the ACLU and left are on the wrong side of history here. Lawless riots because a domestic abuser(Jacob Blake) disobeyed a restraining order and engaged the police with a knife. That’s the first thing, then a stupid kid decides he is going to play hero and puts out a fire arsonists start, these arsonists then pursue him and intend to inflict harm he shoot three in clear self defense. All three are scum, with a history of bad acts, ranging from child molestation to domestic abuse who would no doubt had an issue harming or killing that kid. If anything the last person shot should have been prosecuted for attempted murder, Rittenhouse got the shot off faster. The government should be disbursing violent riots, instituting a curfew and prosecuting the violators.

    Order must be maintained, it remains the Democratic politicians in WI politicized all of this and allowed all of it to unfold quite predictably imho. Prosecuting and libeling a kid who was defending himself is the final straw of dishonorable actions, he made a bad choice that night to play hero but he still has the right to defend himself. The democrats have weaponized the institutions of government for political purposes. Anyone who isn’t seeing this is blind, for all of the “bad actions” of Trump I haven’t seen anything close to this level of corruption, incompetence yes, petty self dealing..yes, childish behavior..certainly. Even the election, the disregard for election law as written, the difference in policy between democrat controlled cities and rural areas. Whether or not there was actual fraud in some places just the tweaks in process and operational differences between democrat controlled cities and republican areas could have flipped the vote and yes it is unlawful.

    the “brine” we have Murphy, if it 50 degrees he is salting the heck out of the roads, giant snow storm they aren’t prepping for…….It makes sense his governance has been an operational horror show. The guy couldn’t run a gas station let alone a state, what is it that he was doing at GS?

  43. ExEssex says:

    I think Biden is acutely aware of the harm lawlessness and defunding talk does.

  44. BRT says:

    The guy couldn’t run a gas station let alone a state, what is it that he was doing at GS?

    My guess is the same thing as most people high up. Taking credit for those working him. Unfortunately, in government, they don’t have as much incentive to do a good job

  45. BRT says:

    Listen, people on both sides have been artificially programmed to believe their side’s narrative. It’s gotten to the point where I can’t even read news articles anymore. As far as videos go, I want the raw video, unedited and I want all the events leading up to something. I refuse to take a side until I see the evidence with my owns eyes rather than someone’s second hand account with their political spin layered onto it.

  46. Chicago says:

    Harvard PhD dissertation in Voodoo.
    https://scholar.harvard.edu/amcgee/home

    BRT says:
    December 16, 2020 at 7:59 am
    I wish you worked with these people. All of those fluff courses they take peddle lies and disproven methodology developed by a bunch of people who never set foot in the classroom and drew ridiculous conclusions from their limited flawed data. It’s basically the equivalent of a masters in voodoo

  47. ExEssex says:

    Adam’s dissertation research examines how representations of voodoo in American pop culture help to perpetuate anti-black racist beliefs. Emphasizing film and television, as well as literature and cultural ephemera, Adam argues that voodoo serves as an outlet for the expression of white racist anxieties about the presence of black people in the Americas.

  48. ExEssex says:

    Want to experience “racism”…? Be a new teacher in a title 1 school.

  49. Grim says:

    In Europe, the title of Professor is more prestigious than Doctor.

  50. Bystander says:

    D,

    Why your side is completely f-ed up? It is not a child vigilante’s job to show up with AR 15 to protect property that does not belong him. We pay billions a year for trained military. Let them deal with it. Pure BS.

  51. Juice Box says:

    So that is the end of outdoor dining until about March 31st. If they don’t get another Federal PPP bailout the restaurant business will be gone.

  52. Phoenix says:

    “Picked up a gorgeous little inverter generator last month, thing is so quiet, runs forever on a tank (economy mode) and saved my food in the fridge.”

    The best kind. And many models (well, at least Honda) will let you daisy chain a couple together for extra power when you need it. They make special gas caps that will allow you to use outboard motor fuel tanks. And if you really want it to work great for low money, use this APC automatic transfer switch. It’s sweet for those who can’t afford a 10k dollar automatic system.

    I don’t know if they even make a permanent installed inverter generator. Maybe natural gas is so cheap why bother. But when you are lugging fuel cans (when you can get them filled) economy makes a difference.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2B4Vvz9Xqw

  53. Phoenix says:

    Professor sounds more dignified than Doctor for someone without an MD.

  54. Phoenix says:

    In his defense, Murphy did seem to get the salting right this time.

    That online “Salt like SaltBae course” paid off handsomely.

  55. ExEssex says:

    The EdD degree isn’t really a traditional “professor” it is really an administrative degree and is required by most places to rise to the rank of leader in school districts. It’s definitely an achievement in a positive sense. But an Admin degree which is more a vocation than an academic pursuit.

  56. BRT says:

    Why your side is completely f-ed up? It is not a child vigilante’s job to show up with AR 15 to protect property that does not belong him. We pay billions a year for trained military. Let them deal with it. Pure BS.

    Many wanted trained personnel to come in and get the situation under control right away. That idea met incredible political resistance.

  57. Juice Box says:

    Bystander – re: Let them deal with it.

    That kid should not have been there and should not have been armed. Adults YES, children NO. One does wonder what would happen if people came to burn down your business or home. What would you do if law enforcement did nothing?

    They sent in 250 National Guard initially and 200 federal agents, in addition to the local police but apparently they were not protecting the businesses. That car dealership was torched the night before Rittenhouse showed up, apparently the car dealership owner requested “help” to protect what remained as the cops and guard were simply not doing it.

    They are still looking for the arsonists BTW, ATF has a few listed here with rewards.

    https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/atf-offers-5000-reward-information-about-persons-interest-kenosha-arson-investigations

  58. Dr. Fast Eddie says:

    “China and Iran both long for the good ol’ days of the Obama administration, when China had free rein, and Iran was delivered pallets of cash.

    Last week, China Foreign Minister Wang Yi told U.S. senior executives, including from General Motors, Caterpillar and Visa, that he hopes for less U.S. “interference” in Chinese affairs in the coming years.

    “The most urgent task at the moment is that both sides should work together and remove all kinds of interference, to achieve a smooth transition of China-U.S. relations,” Wang said, according to CNBC.

    And China believes that a Biden administration would give them exactly that.

    This was confirmed by Di Dongsheng, vice dean of the School of International Relations at Renmin University of China, during a lecture he gave well after November’s general election.

    Di’s lecture included references to the Biden family, including Joe Biden, and he was optimistic about China’s ability to thrive under an incoming Biden administration.

    “During the U.S.-China trade war, [Wall Street] tried to help, and I know that my friends on the U.S. side told me that they tried to help, but they couldn’t do much. But now we’re seeing Biden was elected, the traditional elite, the political elite, the establishment, they’re very close to Wall Street, so you see that, right?” Di asked the audience.

    Reverting to the days of “the political elite” in Biden’s case would mean not just allowing the Chinese government to once again run roughshod over American interests, it would also allegedly enrich the Biden family.”

    https://www.kkoh.com/news/joe-biden-the-manchurian-in-waiting/

  59. Dr. Fast Eddie says:

    What’s interesting in that video of O’Biden from the NY Post link above is how coherent he seemed to be in 2013 as opposed to now. He’s declined so much in just seven years. It’s like a different person. G0d help us.

  60. ExEssex says:

    Well, he beat Trump like a drum.

  61. 3b says:

    Just read a financial advise article in MarketWatch. Guy is in his late 50s and has 600k In student debt finishing his 4 degree!! Wants to buy a house next year, and looking for advice!! Two of the degrees are MBA and JD!! If this article is legitimate it’s shocking and staggering!! Is this the student loan debt people want cancelled!!

  62. BRT says:

    3b, it’s not uncommon. When I decided I didn’t want to go to med school, mostly, it was a financial decision. The math just didn’t make sense for what I was looking at. My father’s practice went from him pulling in $600k a year down to $175k a year. At the time, (2001), it would have been 250k in loans then they compound during your residency. There were kids I was friends with that ended up with $150k undergrad, $250k med school, then compounded it during residency. It ballooned to 500 or 600k. Then they get murdered on malpractice insurance and pretty soon, what was supposed to be surefire lucrative career doesn’t get them much more than an upper middle class lifestyle. Of course, if they went and became a heart surgeon or cancer doctor, that’s a different story, and they would have been millionaires.

  63. BRT says:

    Also, one of my neighbors is in his 50, now another $200k in the hole after getting his masters from Princeton. He thought it was going to open up all kinds of doors that it didn’t.

  64. ExEssex says:

    11:36 MD opportunities in pharma are significant.

  65. 3b says:

    BRT: Understand. Good call on your part. It’s just mind blowing to me that people in their 50s are carrying around this amount of debt! The guy in the article is in the education field and currently finishing is PHd ironically enough. What is the point?? And this guy is supposed to be well educated!! I guess it depends on how you define educated that’s for sure!!

  66. Grim says:

    MBA is largely a practical, administrative degree as well.

    Many people, like me for example, have a more traditional Masters degree paired up with the MBA.

    Absurd premise that the equivalent of a second Masters degree should be counted as a Doctorate.

  67. Grim says:

    Please refer to me as Master Grim, any less is demeaning to my superior status.

  68. Juice Box says:

    Essex – We all know Trump defeated himself, Biden just had to show up with a pulse on election day. Time and again in business, politics, and his personal life Trump has exhibited a destructive streak that has led to his eventual humiliation.

    This time around instead of listening to the experts Trump chose to argue with those experts every chance he got over Covid-19 response and did not lead like he was elected to do. The Bob Woodward interviews were just beyond foolish. It cost him his support among the white women voters who put him in office in 2016.

    Biden has his work cut out for him, the economy is being held up right now by the FED and the FED only as Congress again has failed to do what is needed to keep people working and keep the system running, which is earning and spending, simply money changing hands, because it has fallen off a cliff.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M1V

    It’s crazy what is going on. The NYC subway system just borrowed 3 Billion from the Fed to keep the empty trains running, no fares, no money changing hands folks. This cannot continue forever, it will collapse.

    No end in sight to the Fed’s balance sheet.

    https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/bst_recenttrends.htm

    11 lending programs due to Covid-19

    Municipal Liquidity Facility
    Main Street Lending Program
    Commercial Paper Funding Facility (CPFF)
    Primary Dealer Credit Facility (PDCF)
    Money Market Mutual Fund Liquidity Facility (MMLF)
    Primary Market Corporate Credit Facility (PMCCF)
    Secondary Market Corporate Credit Facility (SMCCF)
    Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility (TALF)
    Paycheck Protection Program Liquidity Facility (PPPLF)
    Central Bank Liquidity Swaps
    Temporary Foreign and International Monetary Authorities (FIMA) Repo Facility

    We are going to be really hurting if we stay in lockdown for another year. They need to get massive teams of inoculators trained and working now, as well as fixing whatever supply chain issues exist in creating billions of doses of the various Covid-19 vaccines.

  69. Libturd says:

    “Listen, people on both sides have been artificially programmed to believe their side’s narrative. It’s gotten to the point where I can’t even read news articles anymore.”

    Exactly.

  70. Juice Box says:

    re: “Listen, people on both sides have been artificially programmed to believe their side’s narrative. It’s gotten to the point where I can’t even read news articles anymore.”

    This unreality has come to a end, and the Reload of the Matrix has begun. This is not the first reload and won’t be the last.

  71. Grim says:

    Speaking with many small business owners, staggering amounts of EIDL loans were taken.

    Arguable that the Feds own Main Street now.

  72. 3b says:

    Juice: And when will inflation rest it’s head? Inflate the debt all away?? So we will have 3 bedroom capes in Fairlawn selling for a million dollars with 10 percent mortgage rates?

  73. Juice Box says:

    Here is an article on the NY Subway system the MTA.

    It’s actually worse than I said.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-12-14/new-york-mta-maxed-out-its-fed-credit-line-so-now-what

  74. 3b says:

    I got an MBA years ago. It was good. But I learned far more at GS in all my years there than any MBA.

  75. Juice Box says:

    3b – We cannot create the demand to drive inflation, without putting money in the hands of the consumers to spend, and they must spend it, not to pay debt either. A check should have gone out for Christmas spending.

    What we have is deflation, the money printing is only masking it. Paying people to run empty trains is just one example.

  76. 3b says:

    Juice: Understand. But the talking heads are talking inflation on the horizon, if that’s what they hope to achieve then that’s what we will have with housing prices. I agree everyone should have got a check for this holiday season. As for borrowing, I am getting offers left and right for credit cards. I got one from PayPal which I have used to buy on line. I applied as a goof on line just to see. Took about 2 minutes to be approved for a 10k credit line. It’s madness!

  77. Juice Box says:

    3B-

    Right now we have a county in New Jersey that is number 1 in the nation.

    I have been looking at some BLS stats, it’s trailing data so.

    June 2020- Atlantic, NJ, had the largest over-the-year percentage decrease in employment (-34.2 percent). Within Atlantic, the largest employment decrease occurred in leisure and hospitality, which lost 33,336 jobs over the year (-75.2 percent).

    Ten Largest Counties

    All of the 10 largest counties had over-the-year percentage decreases in employment. In June 2020, New York, NY, had the largest over-the-year employment percentage loss (-18.8 percent). Within New York, leisure and hospitality had the largest employment decrease with a loss of 208,495 jobs (-66.1 percent).
    (See table 2.)

    NY boroughs like the Bronx have had up to 25% unemployment for a while now. Those people won’t be living the dream and buying a 3br cape in Fair Lawn anytime soon, it’s more like stay in the six story walk up on Jerome Ave for life.

  78. D-FENS says:

    Every man, woman and child should be issued an AR-15 in their choice of color.

    Bystander says:
    December 16, 2020 at 10:02 am
    D,

    Why your side is completely f-ed up? It is not a child vigilante’s job to show up with AR 15 to protect property that does not belong him. We pay billions a year for trained military. Let them deal with it. Pure BS.

  79. BRT says:

    The way I see it, inflation comes around once all those trade deficit dollars return. They were returning to certain asset classes. Stocks and City Real Estate. Who knows what happens now that city real estate seems to be falling off the side of a cliff. Do they acquire more? Do they move their money elsewhere?

  80. Juice Box says:

    Snowflakes are falling here now in Monmouth County and the air has that crisp feeling that it is going to snow like crazy.

    It should be picking up everywhere in Northern NJ soon.

    https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/new-jersey/weather-radar

  81. BRT says:

    BRT: Understand. Good call on your part. It’s just mind blowing to me that people in their 50s are carrying around this amount of debt! The guy in the article is in the education field and currently finishing is PHd ironically enough. What is the point?? And this guy is supposed to be well educated!! I guess it depends on how you define educated that’s for sure!!

    I know a ton of them. Some of the guys I went to grad school with were in their late 40s. Then, they get their PhD in Chemistry at age 50 and wonder why no school wants to hire them for a tenure track position. Some people have no concept of the fact that they have a shelf life. I abandoned the idea of working in Pharma very quickly after 2008 and two years of teaching. By then, I was 30, and had no shot of getting my foot in the door with all the companies downsizing or moving to Texas. I still tried to apply but abandoned it once I discovered how much money is in tutoring and also the bargaining power that teaching physics gives you when you negotiate. The rest of my friends either followed the companies to other states or settled for a 2nd rate job in NJ. Bunch PhDs in Chemistry/Engineering making $65k a year at best. It’s sad.

    Btw…the least talented students I worked with in Pharmaceutical Engineering all ended up at the FDA.

  82. D-FENS says:

    Are we in for a lot of cold weather afterwards? If so I might buy a roof rake. I remember the ice dams from several years back building up on the roof.

  83. Juice Box says:

    D-FENS – Looks that way down into the teens in Northern NJ, some thawing maybe Monday. My neighbor was out tuning up his portable generator, the 45 mph winds could take down some branches and electrical lines. I ran my portable generator a few weeks ago it should be fine. I have about 10 gallons of gas on hand, enough for a day or two at around 0.22 GPH.

    My gas fireplace only heats the family room so if the power goes out we would sleep there.

  84. 3b says:

    Juice: My Sister owns a 3 Family house in the Bronx, Pelham Bay section, that a Zillow says is worth just under one million! She is seriously thinking of selling and getting a condo. Pelham Bay is still a relatively nice area, but the public schools are another story, and the local Catholic grammar school just closed. I told her if she gets anywhere near that, take it and run!!

  85. Juice Box says:

    3b – There is always Co-Op city..I hear you can no longer smell the garbage from the Pelham Bay Landfill after they capped it a few years ago.

  86. ExEssex says:

    MD and PharmD in pharma gigs are well compensated.
    Not talking about lab work, more HQ type work which yes still
    Exists in NJ.

  87. 3b says:

    Juice: She is close to co-op city, but she will go to lower Westchester, and maybe a small place in Florida. Co op city is a gloomy looking place, but the buildings are well maintained. Big waiting list, a lot of Jewish people moved there when it opened from Parkchester. They are all pretty much gone now. It’s predominantly minority now. The Bronx is predominantly minority as well. Pelham Bay landfill gone, has not been a smell in years; all grassed over and trees.

  88. Libturd says:

    “As for borrowing, I am getting offers left and right for credit cards. I got one from PayPal which I have used to buy on line. I applied as a goof on line just to see. Took about 2 minutes to be approved for a 10k credit line. It’s madness!”

    I’ve made $2K in about 45 minutes opening up four online checking accounts. It’s interesting looking how each bank operates. The larger banks try to make their money on the overdrafts. The way they intentionally deceive new account holders into allowing their accounts to overdraft (with huge fees for when they do) is simply gross. The smaller banks actually explain the overdraft opt-in policies the way they should then hide the $2.50 per ACH transaction fees. I was so mad at BBVA for trying to charge me $2.50 for a transfer from their bank to my Chase account that I called them up, told them how dirty this policy was, especially for an online only account and then just pulled the money from the account from Chase rather than pushing it in. I then left one penny in the checking and savings account rather than closing them.

    On the credit card front, I took advantage of both the Marriott Bonvoy 100K points deal and United Airlines 60K mileage deal during Covid. Both are easily worth $1200 a piece.

    Chase Credit Cards are great. Applying is like two clicks if you have a Chase account already. They also let you shift your available credit from older cards to new ones if you ask them too. As for opening account limits, I am usually given about 15K from new banks and 30K from existing banks. I actually have over $300K in available credit card debt. This should come in handy when I’m on my deathbed and a $200,000 operation or drug can extend my life by a few months.

    Happy shoveling all. My blower, thrower and generator all started on the first pull and the snowblower carrier is in the hitch ready to drive over to the multi in the morning.

    14″ for these parts easy.

  89. Libturd says:

    I nearly forget to mention. That Rakuten/GrubHub deal was the greatest one ever. Every time we ordered take-out food during the pandemic, we were paid back about $95. This is on any food order over $30. Of course, we didn’t want to screw the restaurants, so we always tipped crazy generously so they could share in the dumb Internet Tech Stock money too. Rakuten and GrubHub were the big losers here. I don’t think any of you guys took advantage since I didn’t get a single reference credit. We did it about five times.

    One of these days, I’m going to happen upon an infinite loop of reference bonuses that will drain a tech stock’s market cap directly into my Robin Hood account.

  90. Juice Box says:

    Lib – “infinite loop” incase anyone was wondering what is going on with Bitcoin

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4masjd4Jos&feature=emb_logo

  91. Libturd says:

    Phoenix,

    $7,000,000 in damage sounds like such a significant number until you realize that this represents 1/287,000 of Apple’s value or 1/40,000 of last year’s profit.

  92. 3b says:

    $600.00 to 700.00 stimulus checks to all coming with I assume income limits.

  93. Juice Box says:

    3b – Lots of free money for everyone. The $600 is nothing.

    The are going to pass the $900 billion Covid-19 relief bill and another $1.4 trillion appropriation bill before they run out of money on Friday, this prevents Fed Gov from shutting down until like next year..

    Trump could be a real Scrooge here and pocket veto it and leave an even bigger mess for Ole Sleeping Joe. Trump wanted one thing for Christmas and he is not getting it changes to the Section 230 law from 1996 written when the internet was in it’s infancy. The protections they have in the USA they do not enjoy elsewhere in the world, and nobody should really have blanket immunity.

  94. Libturd says:

    Well, they’ll skip me again, but I don’t need it. I still don’t get this blanket stimulus bullsh1t. I’d much rather see the family that is now homeless get $10K and the worker at Amazon to get nothing.

  95. 3b says:

    Lib They are just throwing shite together! I hate them all!!

  96. Juice Box says:

    Limit is $75,000 for single and $150 for married filing jointly.

    I could use some government cheese too to go with my $2.99 a bottle 3 wishes….I have to finish off that case before I move onto bathtub gin.

  97. 3b says:

    Juice no liability protection in the bill against Covid lawsuits.

  98. Juice Box says:

    They racked up a record debt last year 4.2 Trillion and we are already into physical 2021 and they will be starting off with a bang.

    Debt Held by the Public at the end of November 2020: $21.3 trillion
    Debt Held by the Public at the end of November 2019: $17.1 trillion

  99. Juice Box says:

    3B – it’s being done at the state level already. Case in point NJ Legislature and Gov Murphy gave blanket protection to nursing homes in April!.

  100. 3b says:

    Juice I must have missed that. No stimulus money for us either.

  101. chicagofinance says:

    I had personal Bonvoy Amex, and opened a Business Bonvoy Amex.
    Each gives 15 stays, and I have Gold Status, so Marriott corporate kicked in 13 stays in 2020 for COVID, so I was at 43 stays…. I had travel early in the year, so I had 7 stays and I am now at 50 giving me Platinum Status. For COVID, Marriott is also holding over 2020 status to February 2022. I just need 3 more years of Platinum status for lifetime.

    I sure this pales in comparison to Master Grim’s mega road warrior stature. I assume he is the equivalent of George Clooney in Up In The Air.

    Libturd says:
    December 16, 2020 at 3:33 pm
    On the credit card front, I took advantage of both the Marriott Bonvoy 100K points deal and United Airlines 60K mileage deal during Covid. Both are easily worth $1200 a piece.

  102. ExEssex says:

    You folks know Biden can pardon his son right?

    Just checking.

  103. Juice Box says:

    Essex – State crimes cannot be pardoned by the president, Joe Biden would need to convince aka “bribe” the governor of the state that the crime occurred in to do it. No worries, there will be no charges, he will skate, prosecutor discretion, no prosecutor who wants to get promoted will bring charges.

  104. Juice Box says:

    OH BTW from what I have read Hunter did some real Russian style money laundering, wires to banks in Cyprus etc, must have a great law firm to structure the payments from the Ukraine to avoid raising suspicion and avoid paying taxes.

  105. Juice Box says:

    Chi – does that mean a free Rub and Tug for every Marriott stay too or are you too shy to ask the concierge and would rather call the number from the back of the magazine?

  106. Juice Box says:

    Might as well tell a story.

    When I was back in college I made a living parking cars at a few Marriott and Hilton hotels in Bergen County. All weekend stuff. Fri, Saturday, Sunday etc from afternoon until closing. Weddings of all rich folks any faith you can think of, bat mitzvahs from all flavors of Jews, and a few interesting things like the Giants team meetings the night before a game when Parcells was coach.

    I cannot count how many times we saw women go into the hotel and leave an hour later. We used to joke about it, the football players ok I get it, but really at a wedding?

  107. ExEssex says:

    6:51 well maybe Trump will warm a cot at Rikers.

  108. BRT says:

    One of these days, I’m going to happen upon an infinite loop of reference bonuses that will drain a tech stock’s market cap directly into my Robin Hood account.

    When we were buying victoria’s secret beauty products in 2006 and flipping them on ebay, we figured out how they programed the phone in coupon on the receipt. Idiots asked you to enter in the code and in the code, it had how much the coupon was supposed to be worth. We just changed the value and started getting things for free. Each purchase led to another receipt and another coupon. The rate limiting step was you were on the phone for 5 minutes.

    1992 Topps baseball cards had scratch offs to win gold packs. We took all the scratch offs, shined a laser through the back and turned every one of them into a winner. We had them shipping us crates of those gold cards in. We pulled something like 20 Brien Taylor (the 18 year old kid who signed for a million dollars with the yanks) gold rookie cards. Then the jerkoff goes and gets in a bar fight and ruins his entire yankee career before it got started. Fast forward to today, the entire lot is worthless.

  109. joyce says:

    Libertarian takes stand against bad bill
    https://www.nj.com/politics/2020/12/bill-to-protect-judges-following-killing-of-nj-federal-judges-son-was-just-blocked-by-rand-paul.html

    No wait, he just wants to be included in the special protected class

  110. crushednjmillenial says:

    Presidential Election Margin over the last few elections . . .

    Below is a list of the difference between presidential election winners and losers, in the states that were closest and gave the winner the electoral vote margin necessary to win:

    2020: 42,918 (GA-16; AZ-11; WI-10) [Biden, 306; Trump 232]
    2016: 77,744 (PA-20; MI-16; WI-10) [Trump, 306; Clinton 232]
    2012: 429,522 (FL-29; OH-18; VA-13; NH-4) [Obama, 332; Romney 206]
    2008: 994,143 (7 states) [Obama 365; McCain 173]
    2004: 37,547 (IA-7; NM-5; NV-5) [Bush 286, Kerry 252]
    2000: 537 (FL-25) [Bush 271; 266]

  111. crushednjmillenial says:

    Comments re Presidential Election Margin . . .

    Before I looked at the numbers, I thought Biden’s current win was going to be closet election margin in living memory except for 2000. It turns out that I didn’t know that Bush barely snuck in for re-election in 2004.

    It is crazy that each side can spend over a billion dollars on tv airtime, print ads, billboards, internet marketing, planted media stories, doorknocking, etc. Plus, everyone talks about the elections amongst their family and friends. And, it comes down to how a few tens of thousands of people vote, in a country of hundreds of millions of people.

    Finally, I don’t even hear right wing media discussing the fact that Trump only needed to 21,500 people to vote differently to have won re-election. Even with the pandemic, mail-in voting, Trump’s weekly putting his foot in his mouth, etc.

  112. ExEssex says:

    Another legend at the old Capitol:

    https://youtu.be/B3JmtMCJ0ok

  113. D-FENS says:

    crushednjmillenial,

    It’s become clear that voting in the United States is a way to launder the impacts of foreign and domestic influences. Non-Transparent vote counting, counting votes any way you please regardless of rules/laws, and traditional and social media brainwashing determine the winner.

    Trump got luck the first time and shocked the world…We’ll never see an outsider become president again in our lifetimes.

  114. D-FENS says:

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/here-are-your-state-by-state-restrictions

    State by state restrictions. Is it my imagination or are the states that have effectively or completely shut down small businesses the once who would need Federal bailouts for state budgets the most?

    A person might get the impression small businesses are being held hostage in order to procure Federal money to balance state budgets.

  115. BRT says:

    Yes, but once they get the “bailout”, it’s going straight into their underfunded pension funds and politically connected pockets.

  116. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Tech owners that carry the Republican ideology created Austin. That’s the tech that left Cali. What they forget, most of their highly educated work force lean left. They simply are turning Texas blue, and there is no stopping it now. Wonder how long before an income tax comes to Texas to support a school system and society a liberal can raise their family in?

    Also, Musk went to Texas because it’s a better location for car manufacturing. Like a previous poster stated, Texas basically gave him the key to the house. That’s his state now, he owns them, they do what he wants. They are his tool to use now.

    ExEssex says:
    December 15, 2020 at 10:16 pm
    Recent LinkedIn report highlighted the cities that have seen an influx of newcomers between April and October 2020
    Austin, Texas was ranked the number one destination, followed by Phoenix, Arizona, Nashville, Tennessee and Tampa, Florida
    Conversely, Hartford, Connecticut, New York City, and the San Francisco Bay Area have lost the most residents during the pandemic
    Data shows cost of living played a major factor in where people decided to move
    Tesla CEO Elon Musk recently announced he had moved to Austin after criticizing California officials’ handling of the pandemic
    In August, podcast host Joe Rogan revealed he was moving to Texas’ state capital, to ‘have a little bit more freedom’

  117. The Great Pumpkin says:

    On the topic of inflation. It’s coming. When this pandemic ends, going to unleash spending of the likes that we haven’t seen in a long long time. Ton of pent up demand waiting to be unleashed. Most people saving a ton of money from no vacations and not going anywhere. Wait till it is unleashed.

    3b,

    Yes, inflation is going to hit real estate hard. Better believe it. 3 bed Fair Lawn home is destined to be a million. It’s inevitable. Roaring 20’s 2.0 is coming…just wait.

  118. ExEssex says:

    9:42 and still I could not care less. Musk is a schmuck. His crappy cars are everywhere here. Dell was the first tech success in Austin. Assembling PCs and selling them? Barely high tech.

  119. ExEssex says:

    People leaving CA? It’s a bummer for some schools who compete for kids.
    Less traffic works for me. I just wonder what is going to happen to the plethora of plus $2m homes currently on sale near LA.

  120. ExEssex says:

    9:47 the homes you see for $1m can easily be $600k and LESS if no one buys them.

  121. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yes, but why would that be the case? I just can’t see the supply of buyers stopping. Real estate serves so many functions from wealth builder, inflation hedge, place to park money, and the most important….place to live that directly impacts your quality of life.

    Of course, it could all come crashing down, but that means the end is nigh. If a million dollar home is suddenly selling for 500k, the economy is finished and there is nothing that can save it.

  122. Fabius Maximus says:

    A long, but good read.

    A Game Designer’s Analysis Of QAnon
    https://medium.com/curiouserinstitute/a-game-designers-analysis-of-qanon-580972548be5

  123. ExEssex says:

    10:31 dunno. Maybe growth clipped by huge tax shortfalls, dying local businesses, another reset due to another event. You name it. Sometimes winters drive people south or southwest and the never look back. When $500k won’t buy you
    a shack in a decent area of CA you know the bubble is real.

  124. Phoenix says:

    Take away the tax break and there would only be 3 Teslas on the road. Those cars are just a tax break for those that can afford them.

    Then again, new technology is expensive.

  125. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Essex,

    Valid points.

    My take is that American real estate is cheap in comparison to the rest of the world. In relation to the earning power of the top half of population(remember half of our population makes big money, while the other half does not…..home ownership rate is only around 60%), these prices are supported. Esp when you add in long term low rates….

    If places like Canada, New Zealand, and Australia haven’t busted….I’m not worried about American real estate.

  126. 3b says:

    If a million dollar home drops to 500k that means it was overinflated due to reckless money policy by the Fed. Period. If it drops to 500k the economy is resetting and getting rid of the speculation. It’s what we need a complete reset it should have happened a decade ago.

  127. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Also, you have to account for growth in the economy when looking into future pricing. If real estate prices fall by 50%, that means the economy didn’t grow. Do you really negative growth in the economy over the next 10 years?

    I believe in my roaring 20’s 2.0 position, I see zero chance of negative growth from where we currently stand. U.S manufacturing has hit bottom, it will now move up with the injection of technology. Bio tech has enormous potential to grow the economy. I can go on and on. We are on the verge of something special, just have to get this pandemic the hell out of the way of wicked growth.

  128. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3b,

    How is current pricing in nj based on speculation? It’s the market driving it. People are highly cautious and banks are highly cautious with loans. Face it, real estate is going up because the American economy continues to grow and grow. It’s creating a hell of supply of wealthy buyers to support it.

  129. leftwing says:

    “A person might get the impression small businesses are being held hostage in order to procure Federal money to balance state budgets.”

    You would be correct except that would indicate thought, analysis, and intent.

    I vote instead for pure incompetence in the jurisdictions…..

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/17/nyregion/new-york-ppe-refunds.html

    Maybe they can the sex toys in lieu of the medical supplies from that one ‘supplier’…

  130. Phoenix says:

    “I vote instead for pure incompetence in the jurisdictions…..”

    Never suspect malice when ignorance remains a possibility.

  131. 3b says:

    Juice: Joe is gonna build it back better. Same guy that watched while it all went overseas in the first place.

  132. ExEssex says:

    1:32 it didn’t “all” go overseas.

  133. Walking says:

    It didn’t all go overseas,
    You got that right. It came back as 4 hour shifts at the Amazon warehouse.

  134. Dr. Fast Eddie says:

    Build back better. LOL. How miniscule and empty.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJXKie2xCoQ

  135. ExEssex says:

    Dr please report to the psych ward we need lab coat & clipboard returned to the nurses’ station. Dr. Fast Eddie please return to the psych ward, it is time for your medication.

  136. ExEssex says:

    BTW:

    Russian hackers got into nuclear weapons stockpile’s computer network, breached Los Alamos laboratory’s defenses and may have secrets of how to disrupt nation’s electricity grid, officials reveal – as FBI abandons compromised computers

  137. Phoenix says:

    Well, America’s best and brightest go into finance instead of IT.

    What did you expect?
    .

  138. D-FENS says:

    Fcuk that sh1t. Elon musk is gangsta

    https://youtu.be/fAz8rLQmbKw

    My kind of guy.

  139. BRT says:

    Build back better

    We don’t need to build back remember? America is already great.

  140. Phoenix says:

    Karen shops @ Petco. Another one that uses the police as a weapon when she is recorded being a naughty girl.

    https://youtu.be/vsY9xoiqztM

  141. 3b says:

    Looks like that Karen is younger than some of the others. Millennial Karen’s vs Gen X and Boomer Karen’s compare and contrast. And yes it will be on the final.

  142. ExEssex says:

    Congratulations Republicants on your epically bad year on complete and total failure.

  143. joyce says:

    Karen, for sure. And what’s wrong with the camera man? He inserts himself into the situation, fine no problem recording the incident. But he claims she’s endangering his life as he has multiple health issues, then stay away genius.

    Phoenix says:
    December 17, 2020 at 8:38 pm
    Karen shops @ Petco. Another one that uses the police as a weapon when she is recorded being a naughty girl.

    https://youtu.be/vsY9xoiqztM

  144. 3b says:

    So we have Dems and Repubs calling each other feckers and motherfeckers. The decline continues.

  145. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I agree. Grow up. Have some class…

    3b says:
    December 17, 2020 at 9:47 pm
    So we have Dems and Repubs calling each other feckers and motherfeckers. The decline continues

  146. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You have to pay taxes. What’s fair, well that’s opinion. What’s efficient, well that’s common sense. Your biggest earners have to reinvest some of their winnings in the community/economy. Cut throat is needed, but so is empathy. Winner takes all is bad for everyone including the winner.

    Phoenix says:
    December 17, 2020 at 9:45 pm
    Did anyone ever believe otherwise?

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tax-cuts-rich-50-years-no-trickle-down/

  147. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Reward hard work, don’t try to get over on the worker. Punish laziness, but not hard work. I don’t care what job it is, pay the incentive like capitalism says, so we get the most out of productive people. High taxes are just as punishing as not rewarding hard work. Somewhere along the lines, wealthy people lost sense of this virtue. Reward hard work or it’s not capitalism, it’s robbery.

  148. Fabius Maximus says:

    I hope Elon is not relying on Solar Winds to get that ship to Mars.

    Wonder how many in here get that joke.

  149. Fabius Maximus says:

    Here is todays Trifecta in one one Tweet

    https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1339764464695078913
    America is under cyberattack by the Kremlin—one of the most comprehensive we’ve ever seen. Meanwhile, a man who secretly plans deals with the Kremlin (Trump) is staging a coup—while a man with years of secret meetings with Kremlin agents under his belt (Flynn) demands martial law.

  150. Phoenix says:

    America is just one giant divorce with every politician being a lawyer.

    It’s not going to end well.

  151. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “The curse of genius

    We see exceptional intelligence as a blessing. So why, asks Maggie Fergusson, are so many brilliant children miserable misfits?”

    https://www.economist.com/1843/2019/04/29/the-curse-of-genius

  152. Fabius Maximus says:

    Just leave this for perusal.

    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jan/09/facebook-posts/many-more-criminal-indictments-under-trump-reagan-/

    I did say many years ago that Donnie would eclipse Ronnie even given Iran Contra.

  153. ExEssex says:

    11:25 why ?

    because most of their teachers probably don’t interest them.
    Schools are unforgiving factories of maladjustment.
    Bored? Alienated? Forced to “pay attention” .

  154. Dr. Fast Eddie says:

    Yet Crickets from this administration.

    Because they’re going to call you up and explain every covert plan, discussion and operation for your approval.

    The left is insufferable, beyond words. The progressive movement, the ideals of the s0c1al movement have weakened the fabric of this country far more than any foreign adversary. You have a president-elect dealing with our number one foreign enemy in pay for play exchanges; a tampered election; a democrat rep sleeping with a spy and it’s a return to the fake stories that had no grounds to begin with. The democrats and their supporters are a dreadful, painful, weak, intolerable, invidious bunch of know-nothing and do-nothing dolts. You represent nothing that illustrates achievement and success, nothing that represents pride of country, nothing that symbolizes courage and strength. You whine like cunts! I cannot stomach any of your kind. You’re repulsive beyond belief.

  155. Grim says:

    US is pretty silent on all the hacking and spyware we’ve got going on in Russia.

    Most likely Russia found a way to exploit the back door the NSA forced Solarwinds to deploy.

  156. Dr. Fast Eddie says:

    Master Grim,

    US is pretty silent on all the hacking and spyware we’ve got going on in Russia.

    Gee, you’re kidding? And here I thought everything CNN and MSNBC says is the only go-to sources for the “real” news.

  157. Grim says:

    Lol, NY outdoor dining – not permitted to use restrooms.

  158. Juice Box says:

    Grim bingo – We have a fearsome cyber offense paired with a weak defense.

    Another tibit most of the Federal money for “defense” is going to the military budgets. CYBERCOM apart of the NSA too, huge annual budget to protect just the Defense Department networks. Huge amounts of money spent and it seems for mostly cyber offensive capabilities.

    https://www.lawfareblog.com/cyber-budget-shows-what-us-values%E2%80%94and-it-isnt-defense

  159. Juice Box says:

    3rd party supply chain attacks were invented here. We would intercept network gear during shipping UPS/FEDEX etc and load their own version of CISCO IOS on it.

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/photos-of-an-nsa-upgrade-factory-show-cisco-router-getting-implant/

  160. Grim says:

    I imagine systems and networks of critical importance are air gapped.

  161. Grim says:

    Government that is.

  162. Juice Box says:

    NY outdoor dining, no bathrooms allowed.

    It’s worse than that the new rules say customers cannot enter restaurants at all — even to pick up a takeout order; only curbside pickup is allowed.

  163. D-FENS says:

    The solarwinds thing sounds more like China to me.

    I wonder if the google outage Monday was related.

  164. D-FENS says:

    Google must have TONS of redundancy built into their systems. Only way for ALL of it to go out at once is if it was Google themselves bringing it down….perhaps to scrub their systems of that stuff.

  165. leftwing says:

    “Yet Crickets from this administration.”

    LOL. I guess the Feds could run an online poll over who is more stupid…..Podesta for exposing the entire DNC emails to Russia by using “password” as his password OR the system admin at SolarWinds, a private third party vendor, who used “solarwinds123” as his password. Doesn’t matter, the Left will blame DJT.

    “Because they’re going to call you up and explain every covert plan, discussion and operation for your approval.”

    Amazing, isn’t it? CNBC allows this fool Cramer to open mic every day about how there is “absolute chaos” and “no plan” because he – personally – has “not been told where he should go for a shot” while concurrently admitting that he won’t even be eligible until at least March. Is this self centeredness because of the generation or the internet? Fcuking amazing….’if I don’t know what I believe I ought to know exactly when I want it in the form I want it….the world is burning down!’

  166. Juice Box says:

    “Air gapped” – 60 minutes episode from 2014. I watched a segment on the ICBM computers, the air force keeps somebody in business making 8″ floppy disks, and IBM to maintain some 45 year old hardware.

    But they are going to upgrade it, ICBMs use an IBM Series/1 Computer—circa 1976—and uses 8-inch floppy disks.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/10/19/us-military-to-replace-1970s-floppy-disks-controlling-nuclear-missiles/?sh=3dc8f8c4d81b

  167. Juice Box says:

    re: google. Perhaps some bored kids got tired of the Google classroom and decided to take it down?

    https://www.amazon.com/WarGames-Matthew-Broderick/dp/B0011EQBOS

  168. leftwing says:

    “Experts are reviewing their notes to find old examples of substandard security at the company. Security researcher Vinoth Kumar told Reuters that, last year, he alerted the company that anyone could access SolarWinds’ update server by using the password “solarwinds123”

    https://www.reuters.com/article/global-cyber-solarwinds/hackers-at-center-of-sprawling-spy-campaign-turned-solarwinds-dominance-against-it-idUKL1N2IV1UQ

  169. leftwing says:

    Everyone talks about black swan events which have, by definition, probabilities of something on the order of 0.0001%.

    For those perma-bears looking for something to crash the market? The scope of this breach seems mind boggling. Likelihood of something coming out of left field in this may have quintupled or better….still just 0.0005% but may have moved up the DefCon scale for the War Games reference above…..

    Apparently this software is everywhere – nearly all the F500, Fed agencies. And the hack gave admin status into each organization. The number, timing, and depth of potential fcukery available to the hackers may never be known.

  170. Juice Box says:

    D-FENS- Google just like all the big providers use cross-region load balancing, including automatic multi-region failover, which gently moves traffic in fractions if backends become unhealthy. They globally load balance the incoming requests to the nearest data centers. In the case of the East Coast that would be “Data Center Alley” in Virgina. They have 14 data centers in the USA.

    The Google back end did become unhealthy it was the authentication that failed. Their central identity-management system was hit with a simple storage quota limitation LOL!

  171. ExEssex says:

    Newsflash!
    Trump moved cyber security budget to pay for his wall before major hacking assault
    ‘We have a president diverting money, billions of it, to build a wall,’ says former FBI deputy.
    A former FBI deputy has alleged that President Trump has been diverting money from cybersecurity resources to build a wall at a time when the “nation is under attack”.

    Speaking to MSNBC on Thursday about a report published in Politico that revealed that hackers accessed systems at the National Nuclear Security Administration, Frank Figliuzzi, a former FBI deputy director for counterintelligence, said that the reason such attacks are occurring is that the budget for cybersecurity under the Trump administration had been squeezed in order to prioritise other things.

  172. 3b says:

    In other news China has ethnic Uighurs forced to pick cotton in the fields. Hope Joe is gonna get right on that.

  173. Juice Box says:

    leftwing – The hackers were able to open a back door to lots of networks, and it gave them the ability to connect to lots of internal systems, but the door they opened did not give them root access to those internal servers or databases and did not bypass other security controls that should be in place. As far as I know the remote monitoring Solarwinds “agents” that are installed on all endpoints and monitored by the Orion Platform were not affected, just the central Orion servers.

    The information security folks will spend the next year doing forensic analysts and billing companies and the government $$$ to try and figure out what was actually accessed.

  174. Juice Box says:

    Essex – fake news. The rest of government does not get even 1/10th of a 1% of what the military spends on cyber offensive capabilities. They budget is passed by congress, the money that is allocated goes to consultants who are really good at only one thing which is billing up the wazoo….

    As far as the incoming Administration, that apparently want to escalate the cold cyber war with even more cyber offensive capabilities. This means more money for the Military and their vendors.

    In the meantime, the incoming Biden administration has said it’ll make “cybersecurity a top priority at every level of the government” in response to the hack.

    “But a good defense isn’t enough; we need to disrupt and deter our adversaries from undertaking significant cyber attacks in the first place,” the statement from the Biden transition team added.

  175. BRT says:

    Everyone talks about black swan events which have, by definition, probabilities of something on the order of 0.0001%.

    I think black swan events have a inevitability, just everyone is ignorant of them. i.e. the housing market collapsing in 2008. So few saw it coming, yet it was a 100% certainty.

  176. Juice Box says:

    Positive Black Swans do exist too.

    For example there was a low-probability that we could ever develop an effctive and safe mRNA delivery system. It was known as the “holy grail” to research scientists, well it is here now and may save us all not just from Covid but many many diseases.

    https://www.salon.com/2020/12/05/mrna-history-vaccines-coronavirus-moderna-immunology-lipid-nanoparticles/

  177. Juice Box says:

    Gandalf gets the jab too, as the UK has prioritized everyone over 80 years old.

    https://www.vulture.com/2020/12/ian-mckellen-covid-19-vaccine-england.html

  178. BRT says:

    For example there was a low-probability that we could ever develop an effctive and safe mRNA delivery system. It was known as the “holy grail” to research scientists, well it is here now and may save us all not just from Covid but many many diseases.

    I wouldn’t have viewed that as a low probability. I would say it was inevitable. A lot of my grad research crossed paths with drug delivery systems at the nano-level. It was basically trial and error from hundreds of research groups that led to discovering one thing that actually was pretty effective.

  179. BRT says:

    Side note: Achieving these things through injection is a lot easier than designing something that could pass the digestive system intact. That’s the problem that’s incredibly difficult to solve because the body is so effective at preventing things from getting into your system.

  180. Juice Box says:

    We are going to rely on Walgreens and CVS to vaccinate the people living in nursing homes? We are going to let Pharmacists do all the hard work?

    From the NY Times article below.

    “Pharmacists from Walgreens are scheduled to arrive next week at the 460-bed Gurwin Jewish Nursing & Rehabilitation Center in Commack, N.Y., to begin vaccinations.”

    Where is the leadership from our Governor? Where are our doctors and nurses and medical professionals?

    Seems Jersey City has it act together.

    https://www.nj.com/hudson/2020/12/jersey-city-announces-it-will-open-6-coronavirus-vaccination-sites.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/16/business/covid-coronavirus-vaccine-nursing-homes.html

  181. BRT says:

    Why isn’t it a story that North Dakota, South Dakota, and Wyoming got their cases down around 75% from peak into the 300s during flu season? Doesn’t fit the narrative I guess.

  182. Bystander says:

    “Most people saving a ton of money from no vacations and not going anywhere”

    Unemployment rate is 6.7 and over 7% in many states, dumba$$.

    “People are highly cautious and banks are highly cautious with loans.”

    No. They are not. It is Candyland time again. Fed prints it, banks hand it out, govt buys it back..there is no risk other than having apparent paper trail in order.

  183. Juice Box says:

    The savings rate is the highest it has ever been.

    Personal saving as a percentage of disposable personal income

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PSAVERT

    Deposits too, a few Trillion.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/SAVINGS

    This is BAD for the economy. Very Bad.

    Negative interests rates anyone?

  184. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Juice,

    Yes, and I think when the pandemic is over, they are going to spend like crazy. Who knows though, logic doesn’t always play out. There’s just so much money sitting on the side lines doing absolutely sh!t for the economy.

  185. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Bystander,

    Think about who is unemployed. It’s all jobs tied to restaurants, retail, and tourism. So this unemployment rate is not great, but it’s not the end of the world either….it’s not high paying jobs being lost, and these jobs will return after the pandemic.

  186. The Great Pumpkin says:

    We have the vaccine, so it’s only a matter of time before these sectors come back to life. Soon everyone will be going back to work at an office(maybe not a full week, but they will be coming out of their houses). Cities will come back to life, and the economy will grow again at a fast pace as people are ready to spend some money getting the hell out of their house.

  187. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – History Rhymes during the the great depression people saved money and behavior changed for many many years. Our cycle will be shorter, but you can bet people most affected are not going out on a spending spree anytime soon.

    Some examples of changed behaviors

    Make your clothes last, retail clothing got crushed
    Use it up. Be sure to use up every drop of personal care, cleaning and food items
    Make it yourself, cooking etc.
    Borrow instead of buying. Tool, book etc, netflix account etc.
    Reuse everything you can
    We don’t have liberty gardens as there are no food shortages, but food banks today are a replacement for that.

    Savings rate is all you need to watch.

  188. BRT says:

    Cities will come back to life, and the economy will grow again at a fast pace as people are ready to spend some money getting the hell out of their house.

    When someone throws in the towel and shuts down the business, it doesn’t just come back to life. DeBlasio and Cuomo are putting the finishing touches on destroying every restaurant in NYC.

  189. Juice Box says:

    Pumps- been mentioned here Main st is now owned by the Federal Reserve do to their loan programs. Even when things come roaring back many small businesses are way over leveraged already and may not be able to pull out of this in the near term. Bankruptcies, unpaid rents, unpaid vendors, lawsuits etc, it’s going to be years for any of those folks to go on spending sprees again.

  190. Yo! says:

    NJ Transit made positive control deadline (not original but extended), according to Murphy a few minutes ago.

    I posted here NJT wouldn’t make it and, if Amtrak and freight railroads wanted to, they could shut down NJT train ops.

    Not saying I enjoy riding NJT or passengers will suddenly return. Just thought it was worth pointing out a troubled state agency actually got something big done.

  191. Bystander says:

    This just confirms that dufus simply pastes articles, does not read/comprehend and generally has no idea how economy works. He thinks it is the wealthy who drive the economy and the millions of poor, unemployed are insignificant overall. It is mindblowing. Lib posts on how banks see opportunities to charge late fees and overdrafts, high rates and will give you thousands away to open account. Dummy thinks that people smart with money drive the most economic transactions in this country. Unreal.

  192. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – Since you are a small landlord here is something for you to ponder.

    40 million Americans are facing eviction, and landlords are owed an estimated $70 billion in back rent.

    What should be done? They may extend the eviction moratorium, but what about the landlords? They may go into foreclose too for non-payment of the mortgage.

  193. Bystander says:

    Hey Pumps. See that 25 year old on break, making minimum wage, eating $12 of fast food, with a $5 starbucks drink in his hand and $150 sneakers. He probably did cash advance from credit card this week. There is your economy, dummy.

  194. Juice Box says:

    Imagine if they did mess up the vaccine and everyone starts getting Bell’s palsy?

    Any it looks like the rest of us will need to wait in line at CVS next August.

    If you work for government or are married to a politician the doorman will let you into the club.

    Mike Pence and his wife “Karen” already got their shots, and he is only 61 years old.

    Congress, the Supreme Court, and executive branch agencies will receive a small number of doses for essential personnel under federal plans to ensure continuity of government.
    Dr. Brian Monahan, the attending physician in Congress, urged lawmakers to sign up for the vaccine.
    The vaccine likely won’t be available to the general public for months as Pfizer ramps up production.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/18/coronavirus-pelosi-and-mcconnell-will-receive-covid-vaccine-soon-.html

  195. Dr. Fast Eddie says:

    DeBlasio and Cuomo are putting the finishing touches on destroying every restaurant in NYC.

    The worst mayor NYC has ever had… at least in our lifetimes. I’m not sure about Cuomo. I always thought he was somewhat reasonable except when covid hit his state and he made a series of tragic missteps. He also sounds like he’s really full of himself. Across the board, democrat-run states and cities have been epic failures. The riots, flip-flop rhetoric, failure to handle covid, factions within all have decimated these cities.

  196. joyce says:

    Department or Defense should revert back to its original name.

    Juice Box says:
    December 18, 2020 at 8:56 am
    Grim bingo – We have a fearsome cyber offense paired with a weak defense.

    Another tibit most of the Federal money for “defense” is going to the military budgets. CYBERCOM apart of the NSA too, huge annual budget to protect just the Defense Department networks. Huge amounts of money spent and it seems for mostly cyber offensive capabilities.

    https://www.lawfareblog.com/cyber-budget-shows-what-us-values%E2%80%94and-it-isnt-defense

  197. Bystander says:

    “Across the board, democrat-run states and cities have been epic failures. The riots, flip-flop rhetoric, failure to handle covid, factions within all have decimated these cities.”

    Gun deaths per capita. Let’s see how that lines up. Great leadership taking care of their great cities. Anything else?

    1. D Governor
    2. R Governor
    3. R Governor
    4. R Governor
    5. R Governor

    1 New Orleans-Metairie, LA 404 16.6 186 8.1
    2 Memphis, TN 398 15 183 7.9
    3 Birmingham-Hoover, AL 275 12.6 245 11.9
    4 Baltimore-Columbia-Towson, MD 656 12.2 239 4.6
    5 St. Louis, MO 596 11.4 442 8.7

  198. chicagofinance says:

    Utterly tone deaf…..
    https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/transportation/2020/12/08/newark-penn-station-getting-190-m-renovation-what-spent/6490019002/

    Yo! says:
    December 18, 2020 at 12:32 pm
    Not saying I enjoy riding NJT or passengers will suddenly return. Just thought it was worth pointing out a troubled state agency actually got something big done.

  199. Dr. Fast Eddie says:

    1 New Orleans, LA – mayor – DEMOCRAT
    2 Memphis, TN – mayor – DEMOCRAT
    3 Birmingham, AL – mayor – DEMOCRAT
    4 Baltimore, MD – mayor – DEMOCRAT
    5 St. Louis, MO – mayor – DEMOCRAT

  200. Bystander says:

    Mayors are running failed states now, Ed? Interesting. I guess only when they are D states too. Amazing how it seems to always work that way.

  201. chicagofinance says:

    ExEssex says:
    December 18, 2020 at 1:22 pm
    Happy Holidays!!!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyB80HVg_2k

  202. Juice Box says:

    Yo! – PTC Was delayed do to a software glitch.

    PTC is an idea rather than any specific technology or architecture.

    For you see we live in New Jersey and had to to it the Jersey way. $300 MILLION and counting for NJT and Parsons developed and implemented a “custom” PTC system. It also must be made to operate with Amtrak system which is a different system.

    A bit more about PTC.

    The idea here is to keep Casey Jones from crashing into the Hoboken Station or Penn Station right?

    Well it will be interesting to see how well it goes down the road.

    From a Recent audit…

    “We found that Amtrak cannot fully measure PTC reliability because it does not have the electronic tools to easily access the data necessary for it and the Federal Railroad Administration (FRA) to monitor system performance.”

    No way to know if Casey Jones is dozing off do to sleep apnea or well is wired out of his gourd.

    https://amtrakoig.gov/audit-documents/audit-reports/safety-and-security-amtrak-expects-positive-train-control-will-be

  203. Dr. Fast Eddie says:

    NYC, L.A., Chicago, Seattle, Minneapolis, Detroit, Portland, Philly… all democrat run, all bankrupt, all had looting, fires, harassment of restaurant patrons while a few had city blocks built as fortresses by radical leftist groups. What will the excuse be to cover for the guy with dementia?

  204. Bystander says:

    Let’s find some common ground, Ed. Bail them the f-out now. Screw fusion restaurants.

    “Live music venues push for relief in next stimulus bill”

  205. Dr. Fast Eddie says:

    “Live music venues push for relief in next stimulus bill”

    That is indeed common ground. Pack a bowl, I’m in.

  206. Yo! says:

    Chicago and Juice, I’m not trying to say NJT is suddenly running at Switzerland or Japan standards. The positive train control and Newark Penn spending is too much. Wanted to provide and update to my previous comments.

    Discl0sure – I worked at NJT at their Newark HQ and in the field, and rode rails and buses for years. Lots of good stories from my short time working there. Maybe the best was riding the 25 bus from Newark Penn through Irvington and seeing guys sitting on NJT bus benches along the sidewalk. These benches were stolen from the buses as the buses rolled down the 25 route.

  207. Phoenix says:

    America,
    A country where they put men on the moon 51 years ago but thanks to politics, greed, shysters, and enough red tape to go to the moon and back 30 times we can’t even design a system to stop a train from crashing down here on earth.

  208. Phoenix says:

    It’s almost time to watch the movie the Purge again.

    The plot may come true sometime in the future.

  209. Phoenix says:

    Imagine if they did mess up the vaccine and all of the medical staff in America starts getting Bell’s palsy?

    There, fixed that for ya.

    Don’t feed the pilot and co-pilot the same dinner either.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkGR65CXaNA

  210. Phoenix says:

    Homeland Security. The term.
    Has a bit of a German feel to it. Like Der Fatherland.

  211. 30 year realtor says:

    All this happened under the Trump administration. Perhaps it is you who has dementia?

    Dr. Fast Eddie says:
    December 18, 2020 at 1:49 pm
    NYC, L.A., Chicago, Seattle, Minneapolis, Detroit, Portland, Philly… all democrat run, all bankrupt, all had looting, fires, harassment of restaurant patrons while a few had city blocks built as fortresses by radical leftist groups. What will the excuse be to cover for the guy with dementia?

  212. Juice Box says:

    More line jumpers, have they even give it out to 10% of the Medical staff yet?

    (CNN)President-elect Joe Biden and incoming first lady Jill Biden will receive the first dose of the Pfizer vaccine on Monday in Delaware, transition spokesperson Jen Psaki told reporters on a briefing call Friday.

    The transition team did not have details on where exactly the vaccination would take place.
    Psaki said that Vice President-elect Kamala Harris and her husband, Doug Emhoff, would receive their vaccinations the following week.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/18/politics/biden-receiving-vaccination/index.html

  213. Phoenix says:

    Stuff is nasty. I have a coworker has a fever now for two weeks. Must be one hell of a battle going on inside of her.

  214. Dr. Fast Eddie says:

    All this happened under the Trump administration. Perhaps it is you who has dementia?

    Trump asked these mayors daily if they needed assistance. The democrat mayors refused. They stood by and watched whole blocks burn or be commandeered. If any intervention at the Fed level had occurred, you merciful, bleeding-heart pretenders would have compared it to Naz1 Germany.

  215. ExEssex says:

    Donald Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner allegedly created a shell company that secretly paid the president’s family members and spent more than $600 million, a report says.

    The payments to the Trump family and top advisors through the company helped shield financial details from the public, according to Business Insider.

  216. 3b says:

    30 year true but in all fairness democrats run those cities. That’s Fasts point.

  217. joyce says:

    N.J. missed deadline to start nursing home vaccinations on Monday. It will start a week later instead.
    https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/12/nj-missed-deadline-to-start-nursing-home-vaccinations-on-monday-it-will-start-a-week-later-instead.html

  218. Solar winds 123 says:

    Just trying out my new handle…

  219. leftwing says:

    “All this happened under the Trump administration. Perhaps it is you who has dementia?”

    Are you out of your mind? Seriously, are you more demented than Joe?

    DETROIT’s gun ills are on DJT?
    MINNEAPOLIS burning is on DJT?
    SEATTLE and PORTLAND autonomous zones are on DJT?
    NYC and CHICAGO lawlessness as cops stand down in the face of the defunding campaigns and catch-and-release are on DJT?

    The Right and DJT were on the exact other side of each of those issues. They would have sent in Fed troops to stomp the criminals if allowed.

    You have literally lost all reason and sensibility….lol, DJT responsible for lawlessness in these cities…..

  220. BRT says:

    Unacceptable…

    https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/12/nj-missed-deadline-to-start-nursing-home-vaccinations-on-monday-it-will-start-a-week-later-instead.html

    Remember when the announcement in September said to start preparing to deliver the vaccine sometime after Thanksgiving, possibly, early December, and everyone screamed “NO!!!!!!!!! You are rushing it!!! Not safe!”. They forgot to actually plan because they were too busy making political statements.

  221. Juice Box says:

    Grim @ 5:36 PM. My rant earlier at 11:08 AM. There is no state plan, we are leaving it up to CVS and Walgreens pharmacists to take the vaccine to nursing homes and administer it. Somewhere between 40-70 thousand in NJ nursing homes alone.

    Gov Murphy should fry for that, tens of millions spent on contract tracers but no vaccination squads? There has to be plenty of nurses and PAs looking to make a quick buck, we are rebuilding empty train stations but grandma has to make it though the winter with no shot? The first shot alone gives you from 50-70% immunity after about 10 days.

  222. grim says:

    Suspect that’s why NJ is not posting vaccination stats.

    I saw an article that mentioned a few thousand administered.

    Feels like they are sitting on vax, a week in they should be in the tens of thousands.

  223. No One says:

    NJ probably wasted a few weeks on vaccine planning by hiring a bunch of vaccine racial equity shakedown consultant artists to ensure the first shot went to a woman of color. These are the new top priorities for elite thinkers.

  224. ExEssex says:

    5:42 rooting for fascism and sending fed troops to squash protestors
    is sickening.

  225. ExEssex says:

    aNd tRumP wOn’t tAke a sAlarY

    Donald Trump and his family have spent the last four years making the airtight case that they view the presidency as simply a means to enrich themselves and their associates. They probably don’t particularly like that reputation and, yet, it hasn’t stopped them from funneling taxpayer money to their private business, gouging the Secret Service, and raising legal defense funds that the fine print says could go directly to their pockets. Oh, and, according to a new report, setting up a shell company that spent hundreds of millions of campaign dollars to pay Trump family members along with other expenditures it seemingly wanted to keep under wraps.

    According to Business Insider, first son-in-law Jared Kushner personally approved the creation of the company, incorporated as American Made Media Consultants Corp. and American Made Media Consultants LLC, in April 2018. From there, Eric Trump’s wife, Lara Trump, was named president, with Mike Pence’s nephew John Pence serving as vice president. If you’re wondering why the shell company, described as Business Insider as acting “almost like a campaign within a campaign” was necessary, well, it’s not entirely clear, but it sure sounds like the express purpose was the ability to shield “financial and operational details from public scrutiny,” as it allowed the campaign to avoid federally mandated disclosures concerning what it was spending considerable amounts of money on. And by considerable we mean nearly half of the $1.26 billion raised for Trump’s reelection. Which seems like a lot!

  226. grim says:

    NJ Vax distribution is a f*cking travesty.

  227. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “THE GREAT CLIMATE MIGRATION
    The Big Thaw: How Russia Could Dominate a Warming World
    Climate change is propelling enormous human migrations as it transforms global agriculture and remakes the world order — and no country stands to gain more than Russia.”

    https://apple.news/AP_GreCYqR8C9TZz2rLeEUQ

  228. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Essex,

    This guy… con artist hiding behind “make America great again.” Well played, got me…

    It’s funny, I thought he had enough money. That he wasn’t coming to office to enrich himself, but really to try and make America great again. “You played yourself!”

  229. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “This could present an extraordinary opportunity for the world’s northernmost nations — but only if they figure out how to stem their own population decline while accommodating at least some of a monumental population push at their borders. Take, for example, Canada: It is flush with land as well as timber, oil, gas and hydropower, and it has access to 20% of the world’s fresh water. It has a stable, incorrupt democracy. And as the climate warms, Canada will move into the ecological sweet spot for civilization, benefiting from new Arctic transportation routes as well as an expanded capacity for farming. But there are only 38 million people in Canada, and Canadians are dying at a faster rate than they are being born. Burke’s research suggests climate change will, by 2100, make Canadians 2½ times richer in terms of per capita G.D.P. than they would be if the planet were not warming. Canada may be able to seize that opportunity only if it welcomes a lot more people.

    This is why a group of Canadian business executives and academics have called on their government to turn the country’s immigration system into a magnet for the planet’s most talented people, hoping to nearly triple Canada’s population by 2100. The government has signaled some receptivity, increasing its immigration targets this year by 14%, in part reflecting a public sentiment that recognizes the importance of immigration to Canada’s economy. Whether today’s Canadians are truly ready to see migrants outnumber them 2-to-1, though, remains to be seen.”

  230. Phoenix says:

    NJ Vax distribution is a f*cking travesty.

    What amplifies this statement is the amount of tax dollars NJ residents pay for “professionals” that are beyond incompetent.

    Guess you don’t get what you pay for.
    Bet you could teach Guatemalan day workers how to give vaccines in 5 minutes and the whole job would be done in a week.

    Overeducated, overpaid loafs running this country.

  231. Phoenix says:

    “called on their government to turn the country’s immigration system into a magnet for the planet’s most talented people, hoping to nearly triple Canada’s population by 2100.”

    Pumpy, sign up and take the test to go there. Make sure to tell them about your real estate expertise on the NJ forum. You will be a shoo in.

  232. BRT says:

    Neocons are testing out the waters again. Graham screaming Snowden is a traitor.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/dec/16/lindsey-graham-denounces-calls-for-donald-trump-to/

  233. BRT says:

    The NJ Department of Health whistleblowers have been saying all along that Murphy and his health commissioner are completely incompetent and don’t even discuss a single thing with the department of health employees. They’ve had to lay low off their twitter account for months because Murphy has apparently been doing everything to find out who they are.

    Every single step, this guy has botched it and that’s why NJ has the worst death rate in the world.

  234. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Thoughts? I know juice brought this up a few years ago…

    “Michael Burry is an investor and hedge fund manager who correctly foresaw the 2008 financial crisis, and managed to make a boat-load of money for himself and his customers through his correct prediction. If you’ve seen the movie The Big Short, Michael Burry is played by Christian Bale.

    Burry’s argument for an index fund bubble is a less scary than Green’s, and certainly less apocalyptic than Pal’s.

    Burry’s claim is that indexing has caused an artificial bubble that’s inflating stocks inside the index, and thus leaving stocks outside the index ripe for the picking. It’s the “index inclusion” argument again.

    But where Green sees a dangerous bubble, Burry sees more of an opportunity. Ready for another metaphor?

    Imagine a pair of identical twin basketball all-stars. Everything about them is the same, including their skills. Except that one twin plays college ball for Duke–he’s always on TV–while the other plays for Harvard–a good academic school, but not a basketball Mecca.

    The average basketball fan would be biased towards the Duke player. He’s on a better team, he gets more media coverage, and has more post-season success. The average fan would certainly believe that the Duke twin has better long-term prospects, and therefore would deserve a bigger professional contract.

    But since I built this strawman hypothetical, you and I know the truth! The two twins have the same exact skill set. Therefore, signing the Harvard twin at his lower price would actually be quite the financially efficient move.

    Michael Burry’s claim is that this is what’s happening with passive investing. Near-identical companies are being over- or under-valued due to their index inclusion or exclusion.

    Stocks that are inside of index funds are like the Duke twin–they are being over-valued simply because of where they are. While stocks not in the index are like Harvard twin–they are under-valued, and therefore should be targeted by smart people looking to make more money.

    In my opinion, this is less of a “index fund bubble” and more of an “anti-index opportunity.”

    Burry is simply saying, “There’s an inefficiency here, I’ve discovered it, and I plan on making money off it. P.S.–come invest with me so we can both make money together.”

    Good work, Mike! Go exploit that inefficiency!”

  235. The Great Pumpkin says:

    BRT,

    Come on, man! Murphy has done a hell of a job with this state. Give the guy a break with these partisan hit pieces. Look at how dense the population is in this state. Could have been a lot worse if we didn’t have competent leadership. That was no easy job, esp when we knew nothing about this virus at first. Experts were all over the place initially, playing partisan politics with science.

  236. BRT says:

    He and his health commissioner ordered sick patients to return to nursing homes (our most vulnerable population) without a negative test while simultaneously diverting PPE from those institutions. Easily the dumbest move in the pandemic world wide and it resulted in thousands of deaths. I’m pretty sure it couldn’t be any worse…because not a single country in this entire world has a death toll like ours. In fact, most of the worst hit countries still have half the death toll that we did. They were also hit before us and had older populations than we do.

    There is no objective measure showing Murphy did a good job at all.

  237. 3b says:

    Essex Fair enough, then what was the answer?Do nothing?

  238. The Great Pumpkin says:

    How many of those people were the “walking dead?”

    How can you measure the effectiveness of a leader’s handling of the virus on the death rate alone? There are so many variables at play. So many things out of a leader’s (managers) control.

    What I do know. He was one of the few governors that realized we have to shut down until we know what we are dealing with. If he didn’t do that, god knows how bad it could have become in this state.

    Is he perfect? No. Is he competent as a leader/manager? For sure.

  239. BRT says:

    How many of those people were the “walking dead?”

    How can you measure the effectiveness of a leader’s handling of the virus on the death rate alone? There are so many variables at play. So many things out of a leader’s (managers) control.

    Oh, so it’s ok to send an infected patient towards those in poor health?

    You don’t seem to realize that a lot of those deaths were preventable. The death rate is the cumulative total of everything a nation has to work with/against. Population density, temperature, and governance! . On that last one…he fails miserably and he couldn’t have played his hand more stupid.

    But yeah, go ahead, try to convince why it was smart to send patients into nursing homes that were infected while diverting all PPE from them. Explain on what planet that would be a good idea.

  240. Juice box says:

    Essex when they show up in your neighborhood with gas cans, we will see
    Who is rooting for troops. You do know you are the enemy of Antifa right? They
    Want you gone anyone who managed to scrape together an upper middle class life. The rich like Bezos they want executed, just look at the guillotine they setup outside his home in DC.

  241. Juice Box says:

    NJ stats. A leisurely, 2,149 of the state’s 650,000 healthcare worker so far from Monday to Thursday. 537 a day average, so plenty of vaccine sitting in storage and another 50,000 doses coming next week.

    So either heathcare workers are skittish or something else is going on.

    Over at Standford the “social justice” Algo used to figure out who gets the vaccine only picked seven out of 1,349 resident doctors so they were protesting.

    https://twitter.com/emilylmullin/status/1340064996517171200

  242. Juice Box says:

    Using an algo to pick a person as vaccine recipient.

    Who wrote the programming a descendant of Sir Francis Galton? I would love to see what they used in that code as attributes and elements.

  243. The Great Pumpkin says:

    BRT,

    He def messed up with that. I’m not saying he didn’t, I’m just taking the position that he did a good job managing the situation overall. Was it perfect, no, but it was a good job in my opinion.

  244. Phoenix says:

    “So either heathcare workers are skittish or something else is going on.”

    A majority of them are women in their childbearing years, most planning to have children with some pregnant, and you expect them to take an “unknown” vaccine in order to save a handful of old boomers? No studies have been done on young women and how this will affect future children.

    The gall of American boomers is unmatched anywhere. Every overweight 50 something should be getting this first. Men before women as they are most likely to die from it.

  245. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    His good job yielded the worst results in the entire world….worst by far.

  246. Phoenix says:

    Same old boomers that want 20x the amount they paid for the NJ crap shack they bought in 1967 for 20k, and did the minimum in upkeep, all while working as an NJ teacher with a pension, yet asking for more tax breaks in order to jack the pension deficit into the 200B dollar stratosphere.

  247. Phoenix says:

    Leaving that turd of a pension for the youth.

    Haven’t they sacrificed enough for you, Doctor?

  248. BRT says:

    Maybe we can give Murphy a participation trophy for finishing dead last.

  249. ExEssex says:

    Of all the interviews I conducted in the United States this year, something Amherst College University professor Lawrence Douglas told me in September has been echoing in my mind.

    “A constitutional democracy presupposes that people have confidence in the trustworthiness of its electoral system,” he said. “And you can’t really have constitutional democracy exist without that bedrock of faith.”

    Douglas had written a book in late 2019 about the prospect of Donald Trump trying to steal an election he’d lost, in large part by undermining widespread faith in the electoral system. As his scenario has played out after the election — and continues to play out, with Trump still rejecting the results and reportedly musing privately about refusing to leave the White House as elected allies of his encourage him to declare martial law to impose his will on the electorate — Douglas’s analysis has looked like prophecy.

  250. Phoenix says:

    The road kill I just passed could do a better job than Murphy.

  251. Phoenix says:

    A bit of humor from a very unexpected source.

    https://youtu.be/uU0SsHsUUfw

  252. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yup. There is simply no need for billions of people to sustain the global economy anymore. Their only purpose in the economy is to consume. They don’t need to produce anything as their labor makes the economy inefficient, as machines have passed them up at things like driving or taking orders at a fast food restaurant (mobile app order).

    “The developed world needs to accept the labor market will never recover. AI & mach learn tech comes next. 100,000,000 underemployed by 2030 in U.S. This is the new reality.”

    https://twitter.com/garyaksamit/status/1340360554775506945?s=21

  253. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Meanwhile, highly skilled jobs like my wife’s are demanding more and more from this remote work environment. They literally never leave you alone. That’s why you have to have a line between work and home. When you work from home in a demanding job, it takes over your life. You are always at work. They always need you.

    You used to be able to say; I’ll do this tomorrow, I’m going home. No such thing when you work from home. F’ing dangerous for the mental health of said workers.

    3b, you can tell me whatever bs you want because I don’t work in “corporate.” I’m witnessing it first hand. You have some romanticized view of it for some reason, where it leads to a better quality of life. I’m telling you the truth, your work day never ends.

  254. 3b says:

    Give it a rest pumps. You are howling at the moon!! WFH is the future and it’s here. Much as it terrifies you.

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