Home prices to moderate? Or not?

From HousingWire:

Home prices are still rising, but relief for buyers is coming

Home prices continue to increase as national inventory levels remain low heading into August. But relief for buyers could be coming in the next 12 months.

Home prices increased 2.3% from May to June, and 17.2% year-over-year, according to the latest CoreLogic report on home prices. However, CoreLogic officials said price gains could slow to as low as a 3.2%-gain by this time next year, as ongoing affordability challenges deter potential buyers — as well as an uptick in new for sale listings.

“Home prices have been rising in the mid single-digits for some years now, and the recent surge to double digit price jumps reflect the convergence of exceptional demand persistent low supply,” said Frank Marshall, CoreLogic CEO and president. “Affordability will become a more acute issue for the foreseeable future.”

The 17.2% growth is the largest annual growth reported since 1979, as supply and demand pressures endure and construction costs continue to rise, said Frank Nothaft, CoreLogic’s chief economist. Low- and middle-income Americans, he said, are being impacted the most.

At the residential level, the COVID-19 pandemic sparked an increase in buyer desire for lower density neighborhoods and more living space, Nothaft said. This, he said, led to detached homes having the highest annual growth (+19.1%) in June since 1976. 

“Communities with single-family detached houses fill the need [for more space],” Nothaft said.

May home prices also jumped 16.6% annually in the latest S&P CoreLogic Case-Shiller National Home Price Index report. Home prices in May stood at all-time highs in 18 of the 20 S&P cities surveyed, and five cities – Charlotte, Cleveland, Dallas, Denver, and Seattle – recorded their all-time highest 12-month gains. 

Phoenix’s 25.9% increase led all cities for the 24th consecutive month in accelerating home prices, with San Diego (+24.7%) and Seattle (+23.4%) close behind. Prices were strongest in the West (+19.9%) and Southwest (+19.8%), but every region logged double-digit gains from April to May.

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190 Responses to Home prices to moderate? Or not?

  1. grim says:

    Delta up to 83.9% of cases in NJ.

    The original Alpha variant only makes up 4.3% of cases in NJ now.

  2. grim says:

    Word on the street is the ping pong property is back for sale again.

  3. Phoenix says:

    I’m glad the teachers have this ability. For one reason only.

    No one from the government has suggested that ALL Medicare recipients get the vaccine.

    Something has to be wrong with the system when a 23 year old that is not on government assistance and with private insurance is forced to get a vaccine when some 80 year old can simply refuse.

    Why do we penalize those who work in America vs the deadbeats at home?

    No job, don’t have to take vaccine, but the reward for going to work is that you lose your rights as an American?

    And it’s not that I am anti vax. It’s that lazy couch dwellers and anyone else not employed has more rights than those that work. Even those on government assistance.

    I find that repulsive. Another thing that makes America a weird place.

  4. Phoenix says:

    Karen of the morning. Gotta give her credit for her passion. Is this what Jesus Christ insisted his followers do?

    https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/oxfluz/there_is_no_hate_like_christian_love/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

  5. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Watch Osterholm on pbs from yesterday.

    He said if you can smell smoke through the mask it’s worthless. But we already knew that they’ve become a signaling tool. People wearing them while outdoors, etc.

    And he claims they don’t know what drives the waves. When they are expected to continue they slow.

    And finally get ready for boosters. Biden won’t mention them of course but waning effectiveness seems to be a significant component of the delta hysteria.

  6. Hold my beer says:

    Phoenix

    I was in a grocery store over the weekend and there was a bottle blonde Karen wearing old style gym shorts and a tank top that had “Wine” printed on it 3 times. I thought of your drunk mommies comments and started laughing. My kids spotted her too and were talking about the outfit . They figured she likes people to know she’s an alcoholic as a conversation starter.

  7. Fast Eddie says:

    I understand you’ll have to show proof of vaccination in NYC starting in mid September. Will the “X” they place on my neutral-colored jump indicate I’m in compliance or that I’m to be detained?

  8. BRT says:

    “According to the CDC in October, 70% of people infected reported wearing a mask indoors everywhere they weent”

    Sure they did. And poll drivers on the NJ Turnpike and ask them if they speed and probably 90% will say no. Yet there is not a car on that highway driving below 55 in a 55.

    Well, you can pick and choose which official data from the CDC you want to believe or disbelieve, as can the anti-vaxxers. The fact remains, getting a virus while wearing a cloth mask isn’t a far fetched idea. It happened to my family.

  9. Hold my beer says:

    Fast

    They can just scan your shoulder to see if the chip in the vaccine is in place.

  10. grim says:

    You don’t need to scan, you can just use a magnet.

  11. Fast Eddie says:

    Is that why I keep feeling like a ghost is pulling me in directions when I pass certain electrical devices?

  12. 3b says:

    Cuomo s administration described as a hostile workplace , rife with fear and intimidation. I thought Liberals don’t engage in that type of behavior?

  13. Libturd says:

    BRT,

    The mask is not an end all be all. It’s the combination of preventative measures that help stop the spread.

    We both have our anecdotal biases. Did your family spend the majority of their day in a classroom masked? How far did you go to avoid infection? It is simply impossible to make a conclusion.

    I am biased too. My family of five didn’t contract it. Then again, none of us work in a school. As a matter of fact, my kids stayed remote even after their schools returned. And when D was forced to return to in person learning, he was separated from the other kids. My other son, though he played hockey, was the ONLY person on his team to wear masks at all times except when he was on the ice. Not the coaches, refs, or other teammates complied. Probably a third of them got Covid. Gator, my BIL (we call him The Captain as in Captain Obvious for his penchant to point out what we all know already) and I are all still working remotely. None of us will go anywhere were exposure time might be an issue. Even when I went to Atlantic City, if it was crowded, I would leave. Never rode an elevator with an unmasked person, never ate in a restaurant that was not seriously careful and that was extremely rare. Perhaps at in restaurants 3 times since last February. We pay someone to shop for us and have it delivered. We use Covid keys (though probably not necessary). We have hand sanitizer at all of the entrances to our home as well as in our cars. Our masks are all highly rated. We make everyone wash their hands often, especially after coming into the home. Where am I going with this? The more we soc1ally distance, the more we mask, the more we wash our hands, the less likely it is that we will get or spread the flu. How careful are we? Absolutely in the top 100% of people who have been careful. Though if you ask 100 people how careful they’ve been, I guarantee you, 95 of the 100 will say the same. Meanwhile, watching peoples habits from our car and from their Instagram pages reveal something entirely different. Not saying this is the case with you and your family. Heck, people have naturally different levels of immunity. I never had a cavity in my life. Naturally strong enamel. What can I tell you? Perhaps we just got lucky. But I certainly will not unequivocally say that masks work since my family didn’t get sick while we always wore them. But I will say that in the world we are living in, supposed lockdowns and mandates and all. We are probably among the 5% of the population that has made any real effort to follow them. The masses are asses. Always will be.

  14. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Look at those years!! Right when the biggest demographic group (boomers)of that time went into home buying years that would last till the end of the 80’s. Look at the impact they had on the market. This guy blaming covid 19 when the answer is right in front of his eyes.

    Any coincidence that the larger demographic group (millennials) is having the exact same impact on the housing market as they enter it? Open your eyes, people!! Is it a coincidence that we haven’t had the same gains in the real estate market since the last enormous demographic group (boomers) went to work on the market?

    The evidence is there if you open your eyes.

    “The 17.2% growth is the largest annual growth reported since 1979, as supply and demand pressures endure and construction costs continue to rise, said Frank Nothaft, CoreLogic’s chief economist. Low- and middle-income Americans, he said, are being impacted the most.

    At the residential level, the COVID-19 pandemic sparked an increase in buyer desire for lower density neighborhoods and more living space, Nothaft said. This, he said, led to detached homes having the highest annual growth (+19.1%) in June since 1976.”

  15. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Then 2000 is when the boomers all went nuts in their highest earning years buying their bigger dream homes, vacation homes, and retirement homes. Obviously, they created huge gains that attracted flippers and that’s when that market went into mania stage creating a massive bubble fueled by no money down loans.

  16. crushednjmillenial says:

    CDC enacts a new eviction moratorium that it obviously does not have the authority to enact, pursuant to clear and recent SCOTUS precedent.

    The CDC enacted an eviction moratorium in 2020. Bald politics. Finally, it is reviewed by SCOTUS in June 2021. By 5-4 vote, it is allowed to stay in place until July 31, 2021, because that was the date it was scheduled to end. The fifth and deciding vote is Kavanaugh who pens a one-paragraph concurrence. He says simply (and in line with what any first-year law student can see at a glance) that the CDC overstepped its authority and that the government needs to get congress to either empower the CDC or pass its own eviction moratorium. Again, Kavanuagh votes in June to let the eviction moratorium go on for one more month, though, to let aid money get out there and because there is an end date.

    The CDC yesterday issued a new eviction moratorium (without congressional approval). The clowns in the CDC simply limited the new eviction moratorium to counties with “substantial and high” community spread. Still, this definition is expansive enough that it covers 90% of the US.

    I am hopeful that the Court review process is expeditious and SCOTUS smacks this down quickly. Congress has a lot of power – it is the appropriate body to enact an eviction moratorium, if any body is, not some unelected bureacrats in a governmetn agency. I note, parenthetically, that there are many permutations of an eviction moratorium passed by the legislature which would still be obviously unconstitutional, though.

  17. grim says:

    Was wondering why there wasn’t more press about overreach on that.

  18. Hold my beer says:

    I think a kf94 or n95 is the way to go. Cloth masks are not as effective.

    I bought some kf80s on a recent mask order. I wear them when I clean the garage or do yard work during high pollen season. First time in years I didn’t feel terrible after doing the spring weeding. Easier to breathe in than a kf94 but I wouldn’t wear them to prevent covid or flu. Strictly dust and pollen

  19. Hold my beer says:

    Grim

    They sent you the magnetic vaccines? Trump must really hate y’all.

  20. Libturd says:

    Was thinking the same thing on the moratorium. Our government has become such a joke.

  21. Chicago says:

    This is Pumpkin’s idea of a week? He must have meant dog years.

  22. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Im limiting my posts out of respect for juice. I will always post on this subject. Look at the dates housing took off for both generations (millennials/boomers)..how can you deny it?

    Tell me that dumping a huge supply of buyers every year on a market won’t make real estate go up…esp if the market is limited in supply. Real estate is going to get very expensive this decade.

  23. Bystander says:

    “I am hopeful that the Court review process is expeditious and SCOTUS smacks this down quickly. Congress has a lot of power – it is the appropriate body to enact an eviction moratorium”

    Much to learn you still have, my young padawan..

  24. leftwing says:

    “The CDC enacted an eviction moratorium in 2020. Bald politics….Congress has a lot of power – it is the appropriate body to enact an eviction moratorium, if any body is, not some unelected bureacrats in a governmetn agency.”

    Recall, the original moratorium came through CDC at the request of Trump when the Democrat controlled House told him to go fcuk himself.

  25. grim says:

    Congress is on summer vacation now, nothing can even start to happen until September at the earliest.

    Which was probably the point, to put SOCUS in a difficult position, Congress simply can’t act. SOCUS will likely be forced to extend. If they don’t they are the bad guys.

    I wondered why the president appeared to sandbag it, and then drop it on congress at the last minute (see the AOC flip out).

    Now I realize this was all well played, well played.

  26. leftwing says:

    Using some arcane 100 year old quarantine provision

  27. Bystander says:

    Crushed,

    A great post..completely agree but my personal opinion is that no branch of government operates in a vacuum. Right or left, they all know that the jig is up if you start evicting families. We can’t even touch the bandaid much less rip it off. This is a delay tactic, pure and simple. The CDC will dicate this and no politician or judge will touch or challenge because it is a politcal loser. SCOTUS can say “we did our duty”, politicians can say “I agree or disagree and we will react in time” and meanwhile CDC handles the pressure politically. Same with Fed, they will never truly taper. It is pure deflection of giant financial hot potato.

  28. BRT says:

    My kids school was shut down and they were only indoors one place 5 days leading up. A fast food place where we got take out. They were in there for 10 minutes.

    Cloth masks are 10% effective at best at preventing infection. Medical studies prior to the pandemic indicated as much. We haven’t witnessed widespread masking preventing any sort of wave. Moreover, if you look a NJ, the further South you went, the less care you saw with respect to the virus. Didn’t seem to matter as the southern counties all did better than us. Population density, and UV rays are the most important. Medcram profiled studies that nearly perfectly correlated hospitalizations with latitude and vitamin D level.

    The best masks can do (unless they are real respirators) is tilt those stats in your favor. Drop an Rt of 1.05 down to .95. With where we are at, they aren’t much help. I was pro mask leading up to the vaccine. Now, it’s insignificant. We should be talking about updated boosters for the vulnerable and monoclonal antibodies as a prophylaxes. As a 70 year old, I’d happily pay for them. Why isn’t that on the table?

    Btw, if you look at Sweden, there are almost no cases. Does Delta not care about Sweden, or will they have another wave come along with their seasonal trends?

  29. grim says:

    There was time to get Congress to act, but the likelihood of them passing anything was nil. Sandbagging and dumping it back on the court is actually a brilliant strategy, since the court won’t squash it, no way, no how. They extend.

    Biden gets what he wants in the end.

  30. grim says:

    We should be talking about updated boosters for the vulnerable and monoclonal antibodies as a prophylaxes. As a 70 year old, I’d happily pay for them. Why isn’t that on the table?

    Didn’t the FDA formally approve an antibody treatment just yesterday? There was little press on that, and surprisingly a LOT of CYA around not being a replacement for vaccination.

    Correction – they expanded the use/criteria.

    https://www.pharmtech.com/view/regeneron-receives-expanded-authorized-use-from-fda-for-antibody-covid-19-treatment

  31. Phoenix says:

    HMB,
    Well, maybe it’s just my profession, but an awful lot of middle age women are tanking up every day after work. This is from their own mouths.

    Of course they could be lying…..

  32. Juice Box says:

    China now seeing a delta outbreak? Lockdowns in place again, mass testing etc. Their homegrown vaccine is not known to be very effective, and they are now offering cash to nark on people who traveled outside their quarantine zone.

    “Yangzhou officials have offered a $770 cash reward to people who file reports of residents who have recently been to specific mah-jongg rooms or who have come to Yangzhou from high-risk areas. If the individual tests positive, the reward will be doubled, reported a Shanghai-based newspaper.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/china-delta-outbreak-spreading/2021/08/03/45506e96-f36b-11eb-a636-18cac59a98dc_story.html

  33. Phoenix says:

    People so worried about the virus.

    Trust me, you should be more worried about your inability to drive, your inability to limit your alcohol, sugar, and caloric intake, and your inability to concentrate on a single task such as walking.

    Those things kill more people than this virus ever did.

  34. Juice Box says:

    Phoenix – great point but it does not sell eyeballs and clicks.

  35. Phoenix says:

    Martin Shkreli and Elizabeth Holmes have the cure for Covid.

    8 million dollars per dose. Good thing is it only takes 7 doses and you are cured.

  36. Phoenix says:

    Juice,
    But it does sell orthopedic implants and gastric bands.

  37. Phoenix says:

    Forget Covid vaccines.
    Just prescribe Zoloft to all Americans.

    Happiness is just a frame of mind. It’s all in your head.

  38. Juice Box says:

    WHO is against booster shots, says we the rich are hogging all the vaccine.

    “The World Health Organization is calling for a moratorium on booster shots of coronavirus vaccines through at least September as poorer countries struggle to access the shots, even for high-risk populations such as health-care workers and the elderly.

    “We cannot and we should not accept countries that have already used most of the global supply of vaccines using even more of it while the world’s most vulnerable people remain unprotected,” WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said at a Wednesday news conference. He said the world is not on track to meet the health organization’s previously stated goal of 10 percent vaccination coverage in every country by the end of September.

    As the coronavirus continues to infect and kill at alarming rates across the Global South, where vaccination levels remain catastrophically low, the decision by wealthy countries to give booster shots to their own people rather than donating those doses to poorer nations is deeply controversial. Advocates and experts, including at the World Health Organization, have called the move immoral.

    The small but growing group that is planning additional shots for the fully immunized includes some of Europe’s richest and most populous countries, potentially setting a precedent and marking a new phase of the vaccination campaign. WHO officials said Wednesday that they want to urge the many more countries pondering the use of booster shots to hold off.

    More than 80 percent of vaccine doses globally have gone to high and upper-middle income countries that represent less than half of the world’s population, Tedros said Wednesday. He urged “concrete” commitments to global vaccination goals and said that leaders of the G-20 countries — which include the United States, where nearly half the population is fully vaccinated — will determine the course of the pandemic.”

    “We need everyone’s cooperation,” he said.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/08/04/coronavirus-covid-live-updates-us/?itid=hp-top-table-main

  39. BRT says:

    The one country the WHO doesn’t advocate sending vaccine to is Taiwan though right? Because they don’t exist.

  40. BRT says:

    Juice, nonsense. China has had no infections since March of last year. Why would they lie?

  41. BRT says:

    grim, if they have, that’s very important and it’s a huge step in the arsenal to fight this virus.

  42. Bystander says:

    “Recall, the original moratorium came through CDC at the request of Trump when the Democrat controlled House told him to go fcuk himself.”

    ..or recall that there was moratorium for 4 months passed by House and it was Trump’s EO greatly expanded powers of CDC, robbing personal liberties of landlords. See how that works?

  43. 3b says:

    My friends mid town law firm was going back to the office after Labor Day. WFH was going to be 3 days a week and two in office. That has been canceled, and they will remain full time WFH through the end of the year. I suspect other companies as well will be pulling their return to office plans.

  44. grim says:

    Sounds like boosters are going to work well if the WHO is this up in arms.

  45. Fast Eddie says:

    I suspect other companies as well will be pulling their return to office plans.

    As I read your sentence, an email came into my inbox detailing our FULL BACK TO OFFICE instructions. Lol. Okay then.

  46. 3b says:

    Fast: I would not necessarily count on that happening, although of course it may.

  47. Libturd says:

    My company cancelled the return too (last week).

    I just had my last non pre-covid WFH employee head into the city to grab his computer and upgraded him from the crappy VPN to a BigIP account.

  48. Libturd says:

    By the way BRT,

    I’m heading into ground zero Friday night. We’ll see if my mask works or not. I won’t be eating in restaurants (most likely) or going anywhere crowded. Managed to nail a MINT Business Suite seat for the flight out, which should help (maybe). On the way back, at least I’ll be travelling with my vaccinated BIL and friend to make up our 3 across row. Yesterday the positivity rate was 16 in Clark County.

  49. leftwing says:

    “..or recall that there was moratorium for 4 months passed by House and it was Trump’s EO greatly expanded powers of CDC, robbing personal liberties of landlords. See how that works?”

    Are you understudy to Pumpkin for comprehension? Or is the fragility of your TDS triggered simply by sight of the Orange Idiot’s name?

    I was making the point above. See how that works?

    People are railing on ‘faceless bureaucrats’ as if this extension were done in a vacuum. Both Administrations, first DJT and now Biden, instructed the CDC to end run Congress.

    I thought it would go without saying doing so was an effective taking from landlords but apparently I should have spelled that out for you.

    And Trump’s EO didn’t expand the powers of the CDC..it can’t. The CDC (ie, Trump/Biden) are relying on existing emergency quarantine powers granted the CDC for decades and claiming that provision governs rent abatement.

  50. Bystander says:

    It is indeed funny watching you zing one liners, always on side of Trump, then being called out which in turn creates a rambling on how that person misunderstood and lacks reading comprehension. Its your schtick, I get it.

  51. SmallGovConservative says:

    Bystander says:
    August 4, 2021 at 12:58 pm
    “It is indeed funny watching…”

    What’s really funny is watching a useless Dem hack like you taking potshots at a guy that delivers more thoughtful and valuable posts in a day than you have in the past 6 months. In fact, you should stick to what you do best — whining about how underappreciated and undervalued you are at work. At least those posts occasionally contained some interesting information about off-shoring and the state of the NYC-area job market for project managers. Your latest schtick — apologizing for Dem malfeasance and taking potshots at anyone that might disagree with you, is literally useless.

  52. Libturd says:

    Lighten up Francis.

  53. 3b says:

    Lib: For many of us myself included, by the time we return to the office in whatever fashion, (and for me it will be one to two days a week unofficially at this point), it will be almost two years WFH. I believe it will be very difficult for companies that are demanding their employees to return to the office on a full time basis or at all.

  54. Libturd says:

    Speaking of old laws on the books regarding quarantines.

    Nearly all of the federal mask mandates are only illegal in the red states because they passed strict anti-mask laws that were put on the books to stop the KKK a hundred years ago. It’s simply crazy how today’s populists bastardized laws and translate the Constitution like a terrorist translates the Koran to justify their desired outcomes even when the original laws were put into place for completely other reasons. Guns were never meant for self-defense.

  55. Libturd says:

    I agree 3B. Maybe after a decade or so, things might change, but I doubt it. We again had another record breaking quarter and I have the Republicans in California to thank for what is shaping up to be a great 2nd half. We are going to make a bloody fortune off of the complete waste of time that is the clearly partisan Governor recall referendum. Oh well. Winning again!

  56. Phoenix says:

    I rarely get free time, but if anyone would like to get together for a GTG tonight or Saturday let me know.

  57. 3b says:

    Lib: We are having a fantastic year as well. Have not missed a beat, and productivity is way up. And the millennials with children are the ones who want WFH the most, which is understandable.

  58. JCer says:

    Lib, the pdf you shared is very hokey, the vast majority of fabric masks do little if anything in even the simulated tests that show a reduction of droplets, best case scenario it SLIGHTLY reduces transmission if an infected person is wearing it correctly. With the same academic rigor a document could be produced claiming Hydroxycholorquine as a cure for COVID. They did an actual study in Europe and found masking was not statistically significant in preventing COVID.

    I know plenty of ardent maskers who were infected and were only with other masked individuals. While people like my brother in law who was on the Trump train who didn’t mask was never infected, so anything observational is immediately questionable. I actually believe the statistic about the 70% especially in areas that are not on the Trump train, yeah in Fl or Tn maybe no one is wearing the mask but in NYC or NNJ everyone was masked in public places until recently.

    The observations mean nothing as there is no statistical rigor and they cause and effect was observed at different times, think logically a whole bunch of orders are put in place post outbreak PLUS people are scared enough to modify behavior, it’s hard to isolate the reduction in new cases was a result of a mask mandate.

    The reductions in virus from a nebulizer only show about a 40% reduction with a properly worn surgical mask and less with cloth, all bets are off with improperly worn, and the mechanics of the nebulizer likely don’t accurately represent what happens when a living breathing person is wearing a mask. Anyone in proximity to a masked person who is infected still stands an excellent chance of getting infected. With N95 it is different, when worn properly very little viral material can get through. I’m with BRT mask might slight reduce the r-naught but it is like pissing in the ocean, not doing much to stop the spread.

  59. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Why can’t people just get vaccinated and we move on with our lives? Is that too much to ask? If you get the vaccine, there is almost nothing to be afraid of. Selfish pricks, want us to be locked down…so they can sit at home and play with themselves.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-auto-show-canceled-due-to-delta-variant-organizers-say-11628098519?st=q7dxzeyq83h5n7t&reflink=article_copyURL_share

  60. Bystander says:

    Smallbrain,

    Fine with that sentiment. Thanks for thinking I add value at least. I am hard on left because he is very intelligent but also claims libertarian status which I can’t align to Trump at all, particurly how he blew up the military spending nad debt. On other hand, your one trick pony non-sense is boring. You have no pulse, thought or humanity in your posts. Grim blasted your non-sense yesterday and you are not even man enough to apologize. Talk about inconsiderate an a-hole not appreciating someone’s value.

  61. Phoenix says:

    How to test your n95. I go through this yearly. You would be surprised how easy it is to fail if not done properly.

    https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/QualitativeFitTesting.html

  62. JCer says:

    Pumps, Vaccination will not stop the Delta variant, that is the problem. The numbers are ticking up, vaccinated individuals are getting sick and at least contributing to the spread. Mind you they may not be hospitalized or dying with any frequency(yet, infected vaccinated population is fertile ground for evolving a more resistant variant) but we are still potentially spreading it which is a HUGE problem, we were supposed to be the bulwark that held transmission of the disease down and it doesn’t seem to have been the case.

  63. truesue says:

    The level of lying, misinformation, threats and coercion coming from dementia Joe’s handlers is actually a sign of weakness and desperation. Except, these idiots will double down and attempt to provoke violent upheaval to further their tyrannical aims.

  64. BRT says:

    We’ll, I’ll be at Disney at the height of their wave. Will also get tested upon coming back. Part of the data problem is that people who shielded themselves forever are now ODing on visiting people and partying. It’s gotten exhausting with people calling me up left and right looking to get their fix in on living life. I couldn’t even get them to meet me at the beach last year.

  65. leftwing says:

    “It is indeed funny watching you zing one liners, always on side of Trump, then being called out which in turn creates a rambling on how that person misunderstood and lacks reading comprehension. Its your schtick, I get it.”

    If you’re going to criticize people at least make a feeble attempt to get your head out of your ass.

    From the beginning I’ve been highly critical of Trump. More than a few posters here, you know the ones who actually possess reading comprehension, can back that up.

    And, again in the category of get your criticism correct if you’re going to call someone out, what in the last 12 years of my posts here would lead anyone to believe that I of all people would be in favor of government intervention in private property rights and commercial transactions?

    Seriously questioning your basic reading and reasoning abilities…

  66. Phoenix says:

    Disney is a place you need to visit one time in your life, children or not.

    Then to never ever return. Unless for your children.

  67. leftwing says:

    OK, Lib, flame away LOL.

    Took a short position in HOOD through options.

    Bought Aug 60Ps, wrote Aug45Ps. Then wrote 4x the number of Aug34Ps to finance.

    All in cost is 4.80 to make 10.20 if she closes beneath 45 but above 34 in 17 days.

    Biggest issue with these trades usually is that as time elapses value decays, sometimes in excess of what you actually make directionally. The extra puts written at 34 offset those effects, for the promise (risk) of having to buy the shares at 34 if she declines beneath that.

    You’re hopping a plane to Vegas…I don’t have to pay air or hotel, and although the booze is better here it’s not served with a pair of knockers in my face… ;)

  68. No One says:

    Vaccination might not stop someone from catching COVID, but I thought the data suggested a significant reduction in hospitalization and mortality. Isn’t that what’s most important? Does anyone have a link to an honest statistically valid study of this that hasn’t been turned into advocacy one way or another?

    What doesn’t help is that the government doesn’t appear to be willing to just present the statistics in a fair way, instead way overselling it. Or just making bald faced lies like this one from Joe Biden at his CNN Town Hall on July 21:
    “You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations,” a genuine false statement which Politifact scored “half true” because leftists count their lies as spiritually true even when they are false, and which then leads to a further loss of confidence in the honesty of politicians and the media. How fast would CNN have jumped on the exact same statement made by Trump if he were still president? 5 pinnochios. Would Youtube have blocked the video as misinformation?

  69. Bystander says:

    left,

    Ahh, the insult reading comprehension bit and oh I have criticized him in past bit. Classics. The dichotomy amazes me..enjoy Billy Strings…amazing talent. Just FYI, there might be some hippie liberals there.

  70. leftwing says:

    Truly don’t know why you see the need to run me…starting at least two years ago when you were posting about all your work issues I hopped in with empathy, inquiry, and an honest (attempted) value added discussion. As did chi. Others here, not so much, some were more than a bit douchey to you.

    Just hung up with my kid, yeah, should be a good show and looks like weather will hold. Looking forward to knocking around there for the afternoon, grabbing a bite, and enjoying the day.

    You enjoy yours. Sincerely.

  71. Libturd says:

    I think a large part of the problem is not so much that one side or the other side is more right. It’s that the science is changing with the new variant, impact of different types of vaccines and just more time for discovery. But politics are making people point out what each side said that was eventually proven wrong (divisive politicking), rather than focusing on what new things are working. So much has been learned since the start of this thing. I was fairly certain from day one that it wasn’t transmissible easily from surfaces, because if it was, it would have spread much more quickly and infected so many more. But, I still wiped down my groceries. Better safe than sorry. I feel the same way about my mask. Believe me, I wish I didn’t have to wear it. But you better believe it will be on the entire time I’m on that plane.

  72. Libturd says:

    All of a sudden, I am craving that Veggie hoagie from Antonio’s in Philly.

  73. Libturd says:

    One other piece of bright news. Just for the hell of it, I tried to reserve a cheaper rental car in Vegas. I got the same reservation ($350) down to $125 (4 days). Captain Cheapo strikes again. Me thinks there’s been a lot of cancellations recently.

  74. BRT says:

    Lub, stop it. You just made me want to drive to Philly tomorrow. I gotta pack.

  75. Libturd says:

    Remember, they close at 4pm

  76. The Great Pumpkin says:

    NJ Governor Loses His Cool With Anti-Vaccine Protesters

    “No forced injections!” protesters jeered. “You are the ultimate knuckleheads!” Gov. Phil Murphy angrily replied.

  77. BRT says:

    Heh, I do them then head down to the Italian market. Fresh mozz at Claudio is incredible. I buy 6 pounds and freeze it. Bread at sarcones You might wanna check out Angelo’s. They have their own version of the veggie hoagie but their other hoagies are incredible. Both Antonio’s and Angelo’s use sarcones bread.

  78. Bystander says:

    left,

    I am just harder on the people whose thoughts I value but can flumox me with certain views. 6 kids in my family so argumentative and persistent. You, Ed, JCer, 3b, chi…all good folks whom I may not always align but appreciate the advice. Will let up. I don’t care about douchebags, like Small. He is a single minded idiot with the depth of a loose ball hair. Enjoy the show.

  79. leftwing says:

    LOL, ride me if you want, skin’s thick.

    Just feel like I’m getting banged for supporting the Orange Idiot which is not true.

    I was there decades earlier, that fool was like a blind squirrel occasionally finding something in my front yard.

    Kinda like my divorce…there was a lot I could be blamed for, no need to try to find something new ha.

    All good. Appreciate likewise.

  80. Libturd says:

    Loose ball hair?

    There’s an app for that.

  81. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Just vax up and ignore the people who don’t want to. Let them suffer if they want. With a vaccine, there is no reason to not return to a normal life.

    “The only prac­ti­cal course is to live with the virus in the same way that we have learned to live over mil­len­nia with count­less other pathogens. A fo­cused pro­tec­tion pol­icy can help us cope with the risk. There is a thou­sand-fold dif­fer­ence in the mor­tal­ity and hos­pi­tal­iza­tion risk posed by virus to the old rel­a­tive to the young. We now have good vac­cines that have helped pro­tect vul­ner­a­ble peo­ple from the rav­ages of Covid wher­ever they have been de­ployed. Of­fer­ing the vac­cine to the vul­ner­a­ble every­where, not the failed lock­downs, should be the pri­or­ity to save lives.

    We live with count­less haz­ards, each of which we could but sen­si­bly choose not to erad­i­cate. Au­to­mo­bile fa­tal­i­ties could be erad­i­cated by out­law­ing mo­tor ve­hi­cles. Drown­ing could be erad­i­cated by out­law­ing swim­ming and bathing. Elec­tro­cu­tion could be erad­i­cated by out­law­ing elec­tric­ity. We live with these risks not be­cause we’re in­dif­fer­ent to suf­fer­ing but be­cause we un­der­stand that the costs of zero-drown­ing or zero-elec­tro­cu­tion would be far too great. The same is true of zero-Covid.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/zero-covid-coronavirus-pandemic-lockdowns-china-australia-new-zealand-11628101945?st=pw6thhinqwi1mr4&reflink=article_copyURL_share

  82. Chicago says:

    Grim. Unmod

  83. 3b says:

    Bystander: Loose ball hair!! I love it!! I think it’s caused by staying home all day and playing with yourself!

  84. Phoenix says:

    Loose ball hair is nothing to joke about. It could indicate a serious medical condition.

  85. Bystander says:

    Phoenix,

    I’ve heard the courts pluck them out one by one, just for extra fun..

  86. 3b says:

    Phoenix: I did not know that. But can you get it from sitting home l day playing with yourself?

  87. Juice Box says:

    Vaxamaniacs

    New term I am coining after protests I saw on the news today our Governor in Union City of all places and other various protests in liberal NYC and Los Angeles etc. At least the MSM is now making an attempt to not just blame the low vaccination rates on the red necks.

  88. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Beirut Port Explosion Fuels Lebanon’s Collapse: ‘May God Save the Country’

    One of the worst economic collapses in 150 years leads to widespread food shortages, brawls in supermarkets; depositors rush to get their money out

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/lebanons-economy-still-reeling-from-beirut-port-explosion-falls-off-a-cliff-11628089525?st=74lur1950oxwsx3&reflink=article_copyURL_share

  89. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3b,

    Is this what you want when you cry for falling real estate prices? Is this what you want when you wish death upon myc? So every time you cry about the FED, look at the example above for how bad it can get, and rather quickly. STABILITY IS WHAT WE All WANT. Stop the hate with the FED, they have provided stability in challenging times to near 100% perfection. Their only wrong in the last 10 years, was raising rates a couple of years ago. Only blimp on the radar. Amazing job given the circumstances. Yet, you will never acknowledge that.

    BTW, your landlord is going to want more money soon, best move is to buy your own and sell it the end of decade starting as early as 2026. Then go rent again.

  90. Phoenix says:

    Bystander,
    That would take too much time, and courts don’t give you much. If anything, they just cut the whole thing off.

    3b,
    If that were the case, men would not have to do any manscaping at all. And since women do this too, no need to work for hours trying to make the perfect landing strip.

  91. 3b says:

    As noted patient is usually worse at nights and weekends, lashes out in childlike manner, exhibits hatred, and self loathing , issues with career choice and how little money they make. This explains their need to prove expertise in economics and finance, and positioning themselves as expert on Federal Reserve. Recommend to rebalance medications , and deep therapy to address the disconnect, insecurity, and anger.

  92. Phoenix says:

    3b,
    I like your humor.

  93. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Says the child that loves edging me on all day in their posts, but then cries when I fire back! Are you related lefty?!
    3b says:
    August 4, 2021 at 10:00 pm
    As noted patient is usually worse at nights and weekends, lashes out in childlike manner, exhibits hatred, and self loathing , issues with career choice and how little money they make. This explains their need to prove expertise in economics and finance, and positioning themselves as expert on Federal Reserve. Recommend to rebalance medications , and deep therapy to address the disconnect, insecurity, and anger.

  94. The Great Pumpkin says:

    How many times have you been correct? That’s right…you are batting 100% on being wrong. Good job! 👍🏻

  95. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3b is that perma bear that never shuts the f’k up. You have shciff still doubling down blasting bitcoin while his son makes a killing off it.

  96. Chicago says:

    Dedicated to Nom De Plume:
    Gaith Masri, a 24-year-old law stu­dent and gas-sta­tion at­ten­dant.

  97. Libturd says:

    I recommend Pumps take up physical activity to release his pant-up anger. Might I suggest ping pong?

  98. grim says:

    Would have been cool if that guy (abamitphd) who was an economist at the Federal Reserve (NY Fed) was actually still here. He did end up writing a few books on MBS, Securitization.

  99. grim says:

    Looks like NJ’s delta spike is fizzling.

  100. grim says:

    https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-health-travel-coronavirus-pandemic-a312ebaf72844c5b75246fb10b0f2ba7

    Good luck implementing this America, pretty sure you’ll have it all done and ready for next summer.

    Heading down to a tiny island in the Caribbean next week, they require proof of vaccination and narrow-window test results prior to boarding.

    Seemed like a good idea two months ago.

  101. grim says:

    Vaccine race gap appears to be closing at a decent clip. This is difference in % vaccinated by population.

    Nationwide – End of April
    White to Hispanic – 13 points gap
    White to Black – 14 points gap

    Nationwide – Start of August
    White to Hispanic – 6 points gap
    White to Black – 11 points gap

    At the current pace, the White to Hispanic gap will likely close by October.

  102. Juice Box says:

    WFH survey.

    An online survey commissioned by Breeze, an insurance company, found that 65% of American workers who said their jobs could be done entirely remotely were willing to take a pay cut of 5% — which could represent several years of annual raises — to stay at home.

    https://www.meetbreeze.com/blog/employees-give-up-benefits-salary-remain-remote/

  103. Hold my beer says:

    Juice

    I bet most people spend more than 5% of their pay on commuting costs, business attire, and take out at work.

  104. Hold my beer says:

    7 day hospitalization has gone up over 40% in the last week in Texas.

    Vaccination are averaging over 70,000 a day. Was in the mid 40s a day about a month ago.

    44% of Texans are now fully vaccinated. The increase is coming from the under 50, especially 12-15 year olds. That group was around 21% vaccinated in early july and is now at 25%. 50+ has only gone up about 2/10 or 3/10s of a percent in the last month.

    https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2020/texas-coronavirus-cases-map/?_ga=2.247763139.579513873.1628001505-96275402.1625808087

  105. Juice Box says:

    Beer the survey has more more tibits of data.

    How about this one>>>53% would work an extra 10 hours per week

    To remain remote, employees are ready to give up benefits, PTO, & salary

    Remote work was an unknown when it started en masse in March 2020.

    Marred by Zoom difficulties, the first few weeks were rocky and unsettling for executives and employees alike. But people soon began to enjoy working from home.

    Productivity actually increased, and workers had more time to pick up new hobbies or rediscover old ones, while also improving their finances and mental health.

    Now as normalcy returns, many employers want their employees to leave their kitchen tables (or couches) and get back to their desks in the office.

    But employees aren’t so ready to give up their new favorite benefit; Bloomberg reported workers are quitting their jobs instead of giving up remote work.

    Tony Grenier, CEO of Grenier Media, learned this the hard way:

    I sent a memo to all my employees last month that we will be doing complete work at the office, starting in July. However, I already received some resignation letters from several employees. Now, our company is facing a lack of employees due to that.

    Just how much do employees value working from home?

    If they had to choose, would they rather have the ability to work remotely or the best employee benefits like health insurance and a 401(k) plan? Would they take a pay cut to retain remote work? Would they give up their PTO?

    Here’s how they answered:

    65% would take a 5% pay cut
    38% would take a 10% pay cut
    24% would take a 15% pay cut
    18% would take a 20% pay cut
    15% would take a 25% pay cut
    39% would give up health insurance benefits
    50% would give up vision insurance benefits
    44% would give up dental insurance benefits
    45% would give up disability insurance benefits
    44% would give up life insurance benefits
    46% would give up 25% of their paid time off (PTO)
    23% would give up 50% of their PTO
    17% would give up 75% of their PTO
    15% would give up 100% of their PTO
    36% would give up their 401(k) or other retirement plan
    53% would work an extra 10 hours per week
    48% would give up their student loan repayment assistance benefit
    44% would give up paid parental leave
    47% would give up mental health benefits
    64% would give up fitness benefits
    55% would give up social media for the next year
    34% would give up their right to vote in all future local & national elections for life
    52% would give up Netflix or their favorite streaming service for the next year
    52% would give up Amazon for the next year

  106. Juice Box says:

    Beer- It seems it is not just the millions of red necks of the 9 million adults in Texas not vaccinated.

    Nice breakdown here

    https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/03/unvaccinated-texas-demographics/

  107. leftwing says:

    “Says the child that loves edging me on all day in their posts, but then cries when I fire back! Are you related lefty?!”

    Leave me out of your lonely late night rantings.

    You are unintelligent, unbalanced, and inconsequential. Again, the literal definition of an imbecile.

    No one is egging you on. In fact, numerous people here have begged you to just follow up on your promise to disappear. Yet, here you are again spewing your oral diarrhea.

  108. Fast Eddie says:

    When does the Trump variant of the virus swarm us? My l1beral friends tell me triple masks and duct tape across the eyes will be required when it hits.

  109. crushednjmillenial says:

    Anybody ever order a 3D printed replacement part?

    I can’t believe this is still not a bigger business. Maybe, like me, you’ve struggled to get a small replacement component for an older appliance or piece of HVAC equipment. With Right to Repair gaining steam, I’d have thought this would be more common than the old way – working hard to try to maybe track down parts through HD Supply, ebay, or random parts companies online.

  110. The Great Pumpkin says:

    These are some losers. Giving up the house to stay home. Can’t fix stupid. I would love to see who these people are. Sign me up for losing a 401k to work at home. They must be so depressed and afraid to go back into the real world.

    “If they had to choose, would they rather have the ability to work remotely or the best employee benefits like health insurance and a 401(k) plan? Would they take a pay cut to retain remote work? Would they give up their PTO?

    Here’s how they answered:

    65% would take a 5% pay cut
    38% would take a 10% pay cut
    24% would take a 15% pay cut
    18% would take a 20% pay cut
    15% would take a 25% pay cut
    39% would give up health insurance benefits
    50% would give up vision insurance benefits
    44% would give up dental insurance benefits
    45% would give up disability insurance benefits
    44% would give up life insurance benefits
    46% would give up 25% of their paid time off (PTO)
    23% would give up 50% of their PTO
    17% would give up 75% of their PTO
    15% would give up 100% of their PTO
    36% would give up their 401(k) or other retirement plan
    53% would work an extra 10 hours per week”

  111. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Right…I guess if you say so, it’s correct.

    Honestly, why are you such a dick?

    “No one is egging you on.”

  112. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Who says that?!

    “You are unintelligent, unbalanced, and inconsequential. Again, the literal definition of an imbecile.”

  113. 3b says:

    Pumps I don’t egg you on all day. In fact I have been trying to ignore you these last few months, not always successful, but getting there.

    You don’t recognize it, but you have a mean ugly streak in you, and I called you on that yesterday in a humorous manner. Your quote that people can stay home all day and play with themselves is insulting to the thousands of us who have been WFH for a year and a half and getting the job done.

    Then late in the evening you post an article about Lebanon and tie the Federal Reserve into it and me. Comparing Lebanon to the USA is absolutely ridiculous. Of course if you knew anything about the country you would know that many of its issues is because of its broken political system, based on Christian, Shia, and , Sunni religious representation. You state you are leaving for a week , and the come roaring back to defend the Fed, like you would know, but that’s another story. But of course you can defend them if you want, but I will call you out if you accuse WFH people of playing with themselves all day. We all know you hate WFH, and we all know why.

  114. The Great Pumpkin says:

    These people are broken. That, or their remote job is already looked upon as paid time off that they are willing to give up 100% of their PTO.

    “17% would give up 75% of their PTO
    15% would give up 100% of their PTO”

  115. JJ says:

    “Anybody ever order a 3D printed replacement part?”

    If I had a 3D printer, the first thing I would do is replicate my jimbrowski.

  116. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3b,

    Don’t act like you don’t egg me on. Im a super nice person to people that are nice to me. Am i supposed to be nice to you, bystander, brt, lib, and lefty? You guys are assholes to me.

    As for the Lebanon post…you missed the point. It was an example of what happens without stability, which is chaos. If FED loses control, and the economy becomes unstable and crashes, what makes you think it can’t fall apart here? We didn’t even have a crashing economy and BLM movement almost burned our country down last year. Took over Portland. Imagine what happens with a crashing economy…

  117. 3b says:

    These people are broken?? Seriously, who do you think you are ? What do you know about them or what they do? Like I said mean steak. All because you want everyone back in the office so commercial real estate is not affected and neither is your lifestyle. T

  118. Hold my beer says:

    Juice

    That’s a good link. The texastribune updates those stats several
    Times a week. Over the weekend they had an article showing it is rural conservative whites , and blacks and Hispanics in cities not getting vaccinated. And the lower the zip code’s median income, the lower the vaccination rate. Of course the mass media makes it seem like only trumpers are not getting vaccinated. What was interesting about the weekend article it showed that suburban conservative counties in my area (Collins and Denton counties) have vaccination rates way above Texas average. I think almost 60% of the population was vaccinated in those counties. But that is an affluent area with good schools so I bet higher population percentage than average of under 12s so probably 70%+ of eligible had gotten the vaccine

  119. 3b says:

    You are not a super nice person. You are a condescending phony. And you insult people that work for home. You have called us losers, unambitious, our jobs are crap, we are worthless, we don’t bathe, we stay home all day and play with ourselves, and today we are broken. Nice guy? Really?

    As for Lebanon, you miss the point, the country unfortunately is a failed state. You love the Fed only because you and myself and many others at the moment are profiting from their policies. However, there are those of us who care about the next generations and recognize the Feds policies are destroying this country, and ultimately its stability.

  120. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3b,

    Who in their right mind gives up health benefits, 401k, or PTO? Who? You know how difficult it is to get that and you are telling me these people are making a sane choice? This just further supports my notion that some people are their own worst enemy. A lot of idiots out there that are not all there.

  121. Libturd says:

    Stop trying 3b.

  122. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3b,

    The people working from home before the pandemic i have no problem with. Those are true Remote jobs. The people that don’t want to go back to work today are something else…and you know it. Im not going to call them names, but you know who these people are. Let’s just say they hate their job and hate working.

    All im saying about the FED, is that they are the only one’s in the way of a failed state here in America. Look at what happened to Europe when the Great Depression came about…how many failed states? End result…WWII. Keep thinking that can’t happen again if the FED loses control of the economy.

  123. Phoenix says:

    Well,
    If working from home is good enough for everyone else, then let the teachers do it as well.
    Just attach a brethalyzer to the laptop that they have to blow in after lunch period.

  124. Phoenix says:

    “Who in their right mind gives up health benefits, 401k, or PTO?”

    People on Wall street that make so much money per minute that are losing more than those benefits are worth by driving.

  125. Phoenix says:

    Just convert that cubicle into a mini-apartment and tell them that they are welcome to stay there 24 hrs a day for a minimal fee.

    Now it’s working from home. Plus you might get a friend with benefits-or two or three.

  126. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Phoenix,

    Are you seeing an uptick over the last year with people having problems with substance abuse?

    Btw, that’s what I love about the hypocritical approach of WFH supporters. Talk all this “work/life” balance, but it doesn’t apply to teachers. Yet, they are magically more efficient and better at their job WFH, but when it comes to teaching, it’s no good. Try making sense of that. So you don’t want your college student learning remotely, but you want businesses to teach their future workforce remotely. Okay.

  127. 3b says:

    Again, how do you know which remote jobs are legitimate and which are not? It’s your stupid opinion based on absolutely nothing.

  128. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Wall st type are too greedy. They would never give up pay or benefits to stay home. This poll was based on the avg worker. The results of the poll say so.

    Phoenix says:
    August 5, 2021 at 10:12 am
    “Who in their right mind gives up health benefits, 401k, or PTO?”

    People on Wall street that make so much money per minute that are losing more than those benefits are worth by driving.

  129. Phoenix says:

    GP,
    Seeing more of an uptick in going straight to suicide. But yes, substance abuse, including alcohol abuse as well, it’s not my arena.
    It’s when children attempt suicide that’s the hardest for me. They wake up alive only way worse off physically than they started.

    Some things you just can’t undo or un-see.

  130. 3b says:

    Phoenix: Teachers already have summers off, Jewish and Christian holidays, including the week in December, a week in February and another in the Spring, plus all the other holidays. And great benefits and tenure, they don’t need anything else.

  131. The Great Pumpkin says:

    So why can’t teachers work remotely, yet everyone else can? If zoom is good enough for business meetings and mentoring, why doesn’t it apply to education? It’s just weird that we can agree it’s not optimal for education, but then somehow make the jump that it’s optimal for running a business and mentoring employees. Which one is it?

    3b says:
    August 5, 2021 at 10:28 am
    Again, how do you know which remote jobs are legitimate and which are not? It’s your stupid opinion based on absolutely nothing.

  132. 3b says:

    There are average workers across all sectors of the economy including Wall Street. There you go again with your statement as fact nonsense. And yes people including greedy Wall Street might certainly be prepared to give up some amount of $ for improved quality of life. If you commutes into NYC you might actually understand that.

  133. Phoenix says:

    3b,
    The bigger question is what jobs at all are legitimate at all. Especially in the public sector.
    Plenty of no show jobs, now you don’t even have to give them a fake office, just a title, a laptop with an email address, and for them to give you the routing number from a bank for their checks to be deposited.

    There will be no way to detect the fraud now.

  134. leftwing says:

    “Honestly, why are you such a dick?”

    Because I am one of the most polite and courteous people you will meet in that I treat an individual exactly as he asks to be treated.

  135. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Who are you?!

    Btw, teachers are not paid for the summer. Contract runs from sept to june.

    3b says:
    August 5, 2021 at 10:31 am
    Phoenix: Teachers already have summers off, Jewish and Christian holidays, including the week in December, a week in February and another in the Spring, plus all the other holidays. And great benefits and tenure, they don’t need anything else.

  136. 3b says:

    Then teachers should work summers also and eliminate all the other holidays as well. You Ok with that?

  137. Phoenix says:

    3b,

    You open the door for WFH, this might be what you get as well. Remote teachers.

    It’s been proven that it can be done now.

    Be careful what you wish for. Your child’s next teacher may be a Filipino. Not an American Filipino, one that actually lives there.

  138. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Left,

    Did you think that maybe if you stopped calling me an idiot and talking down to me, I wouldn’t bite back. I’m not a mean individual.

  139. 3b says:

    Phoenix: I don’t mind debating the pros and cons of WFH, and I recognize there are drawbacks, but there are many positives. And millennials with children and others want it, for the quality of life issues involved. Takes two incomes today, to pay for the boomers house and property taxes among all the other costs. My younger brother hates WFH, although he does see the benefit for him of doing it one day a week.

    My issue with you know who is that he hates WFH as it will negatively affect commercial real estate and that is an issue for him.

  140. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yes, as long as you pay me for it. Working with urban kids and managing them is not easy. Not doing it for free.

    3b says:
    August 5, 2021 at 10:37 am
    Then teachers should work summers also and eliminate all the other holidays as well. You Ok with that?

  141. Phoenix says:

    If it’s okay to zoom with judges and attorneys, zoom with police as well. It’s legal now to have full court cases online. Talk to them through your ring doorbell. Or just online. Less patrol SUV’s burning gas.

    Get rid of schools. No maintenance. No food service, no bullying. No fields to maintain, no gym for kids to get hurt. No coaches needed, or school nurses. No labs for children to get hurt in. No counselors required. No tenure, no pension. Filipinos speak excellent English, work for less, and are very educated. Sounds like a win-win.

    Boomers can finally get their taxes lowered like they always wanted to. This is the most important thing to them.

  142. 3b says:

    Phoenix: It that’s how it unfolds then that’s how it unfolds. The Filipino teacher might be just as good if not better.

  143. The Great Pumpkin says:

    How? The space will be used one way or the other. So how will I be impacted negatively? REITS will adjust and move on like they always have. Did the death of retail put my wife’s company out of business? They were heavily involved in retail, took the punches, and moved on.

    “My issue with you know who is that he hates WFH as it will negatively affect commercial real estate and that is an issue for him.”

  144. 3b says:

    We will pay for it, but no more pensions , 401k s and no gold plated health benefits, and no tenure, employed at will. And then you can be like corporate America.

  145. Phoenix says:

    Takes two incomes today, to pay for the boomers house and property taxes among all the other costs.

    Boomer house price is from boomer greed, nothing less.
    Property tax is high cause boomer gave themselves benefits and raises, but constantly refused to pay their share- 200 BILLION is owed to them. Just imagine a credit card where you owe one hundred dollars but refuse to pay it over 50 years, yet you keep charging on it.
    That’s what boomer did. And the silent is not exempt, they did it as well.

  146. 3b says:

    Phoenix: Got to disagree on the Boomer tax thing. The boomers my age 2o years ago voted for every massive spending plan put forward by the town, as the realtors told the It would make their houses worth more. The old boomers the ones in their 70s and 80s pretty much voted no.

  147. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It’s not corporate as you always tell me. So why compare it? You sound jealous…so why don’t you give up your wall st job for a union job in govt if it’s so much better. You made your choice, but now bash people like me for making a choice too. Why do I have to be put down for taking a teaching job?

    3b says:
    August 5, 2021 at 10:48 am
    We will pay for it, but no more pensions , 401k s and no gold plated health benefits, and no tenure, employed at will. And then you can be like corporate America.

  148. leftwing says:

    “I’m not a mean individual.”

    You’re reprehensible.

    Aside from points raised above about your antics your direct, unsolicited assaults on the character of a couple people on here posting about the issues they face with the secular decline of the sector in which they are employed was mind boggling.

    That coming from someone who never stepped outside the employment comfort zone of the post office and the teachers union. And who knew it, as you felt compelled to lie about your own employment.

    So many people come here and share the rich depth of their work, experience, and endeavors. You come on here, fraudulently, with no knowledge and less experience in their space and bleat nonsense.

    Done. Everyone enjoy their days.

  149. Phoenix says:

    3b,
    You may be right about the commercial RE, but if his wife is not a muppet, can’t she learn other aspects of RE? How hard can it be? It ain’t medical school.

    Many business profits are not about how “smart” you are, but how cutthroat you are. It’s not rocket science to know if you cut a hundred workers you will improve your bottom line. This thought process is increasing as the squeeze continues.

    A truly New America is forming right now. It’s giving Boomer the Heeby Jeebies, but boomer refuses to admit it’s of his own creating. The children will adapt-they have no choice, they have the schooling, the Instagram, the TikTok adults created.

    Don’t like the youth, Boomer, you created them with your inventions, your ideals, your technology, all of which you profit handsomely from. You reap what you sow.

    And Karen, she is full steam ahead. No man is safe from false accusations. Good luck putting that genie back in the bottle.

  150. Phoenix says:

    3b,
    It’s not the spending plan. It’s paying down the debt. That’s what needed to be addressed.
    Boomers only cared about their real estate going up. And look at it now. That investment, that has not been paid off yet, has done well. They can cash out, head to Costa Rica, and have that country subsidize their medical conditions until they are as bankrupt as Brazil.

  151. 3b says:

    Right over your head again. Jealous? Absolutely not! I have had a fantastic Wall Street career, and now I will be a boastful dick and say a big chunk of that career was spent at GS, no small feat considering the background I came from.

    You want WFH like corporate America, then fine you can have it. But you have to take the rest of what corporate America has too.

  152. Phoenix says:

    I expect to see many more attempts at suicide in my line of work. It’s coming. Along with homicides.

    Don’t think it won’t touch those with money, or that it only happens to gang bangers. I know and have seen otherwise. It can be your nightmare at any time.

    I promise to do my best to repair you, my passion is to be at my best. But then you will be thrown back into the same America that put you into my arena. Don’t worry, we are open 24/7, not WFH, not enjoying our weekends, or summers off. It’s all good.

  153. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Powerful stuff. What have we done in the name of profit. This might be the most depressed generation of kids i have ever seen.

    Was watching that billie documentary on apple…smacked me right in the face of how depressed this current generation is. Technology is not making people happier, it’s making them sad.

    “A truly New America is forming right now. It’s giving Boomer the Heeby Jeebies, but boomer refuses to admit it’s of his own creating. The children will adapt-they have no choice, they have the schooling, the Instagram, the TikTok adults created.

    Don’t like the youth, Boomer, you created them with your inventions, your ideals, your technology, all of which you profit handsomely from. You reap what you sow.”

  154. The Great Pumpkin says:

    There is no going back…that box has been opened and can’t be shut.

  155. Libturd says:

    “They can cash out, head to Costa Rica, and have that country subsidize their medical conditions until they are as bankrupt as Brazil.”

    Debt per GDP,
    USA 107%
    Brazil 90.36%
    Costa Rica 56.15%

    Health Care Rankings
    Costa Rica 36th
    USA 37TH
    Brazil Not in top 100.

  156. 3b says:

    Phoenix:I think the young people today are fantastic. And love that they are not afraid to speak up. I think the Boomers screwed them.

  157. Juice Box says:

    re: ““I’m not a mean individual.”

    Some Lyrics…

    Cinnamon and sugary and softly spoken lies
    You never know just how you look through other people’s eyes

    Pumps the “break” you keep speaking of, take it already you need to be in the classroom in a month, go out and enjoy your vacation already. I hope you have been going hiking, hitting the beach, take your family on a road trip etc. It’s August it’s time to enjoy what is left of the summer before the lyrics of Don Henly’s song take meaning again…

    Nobody on the road
    Nobody on the beach
    I feel it in the air
    The summer’s out of reach
    Empty lake, empty streets
    The sun goes down alone
    I’m drivin’ by your house
    Though I know you’re not home

    Howard Stern show rendition from 2015 by Don Henley…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoxEcD4PCco

  158. Phoenix says:

    3b,
    As it is part of my job to train them I agree with your statement wholeheartedly.

    It’s the entitled Karens that make me ill.

  159. Phoenix says:

    Lib,
    Thank you for proving my point.

  160. Hold my beer says:

    As the woke crowd wins elections this will be coming to you. San Francisco is ahead of NYC region in the steady decline race to the bottom.

    https://nypost.com/2021/08/05/woman-seen-leaning-out-of-car-holding-ak-47-in-san-francisco/

  161. 3b says:

    Juice Amazon postpones return to office until 2022. Speaking of vacation off to Rehoboth Beach next week. So looking forward to it!!

  162. Bystander says:

    “I think the young people today are fantastic.”

    Cheers 3b. My sentiments exactly. They are first generation completely exposed to internet, sharing of information and free ideas..mature and knowledgeable. I love when older folks call them frail, glass touchers – the GenX and boomers are just as bad.

  163. 3b says:

    I agree all around, and I always defend them. Sadly, they are getting screwed in my opinion and no one gives a damn.

  164. SmallGovConservative says:

    3b says:
    August 5, 2021 at 1:13 pm
    “Speaking of vacation …”

    Speaking of “Speaking of vacation”, I highly recommend a visit to Mt Rushmore for those who haven’t been. Partly because it’s cool and the Black Hills area of South Dakota is spectacular. But also because it’s just a matter of time before the woke mob and their Dem enablers put it in their crosshairs — insisting that George and Tom be replaced by Barry and Bill (or maybe Joe).

  165. The Great Pumpkin says:

    In the case of the energy transition, one way to fix this is with a clean electricity standard. This is a policy that rewards utilities that get their power from green sources, and penalizes those who continue to pollute. Democrats see the clean electricity standard cutting fossil fuel use in the power sector by 80% by 2030. And in so doing, it would push the private sector to invest more, potentially bringing private investment back to its late-1990s share of GDP.

    Including private investment incentives makes it clear that the overarching goal here isn’t just to spend a bunch of government money, or even to halt climate change. Something deeper is at stake here — the transformation of the U.S. from an economy focused on living for the moment to one focused on building for the future.

    Since the late 1990s, the U.S. has been partying and forgetting about tomorrow, cashing out its inheritance from 20th century investments. Continuing down that path means a poorer future and a weaker nation for Americans’ descendants. Moving back toward an investment-focused society, in contrast, would be a vote of confidence in America for generations to come.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-08-05/biden-s-3-5-trillion-plan-to-invest-in-america-s-future

  166. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The 1st generation makes it, the 2nd generation uses it, the 3rd generation loses it.

  167. Fast Eddie says:

    “I think the young people today are fantastic.”

    Why do they earn accolades? If there’s a door in front of you, will you not take it? Would a 23 year old today do anything differently if you transport them back to 1975?

  168. 3b says:

    Fast: I don’t mean specifically better then other generations, but they get a bad rap, that’s not fair in my mind. I find most of them hard working, enthusiastic, willing to learn and more authentic then many in my own generation. And they are not as self centered and self absorbed as those of my generation. And perhaps a little more idealistic in some areas.

  169. Fast Eddie says:

    ..sharing of information and free ideas..

    They’re mostly opinions, often flawed, based on knee jerk reaction and wandering emotions. In past generations, it was an exception, now it’s the norm. Ideas are based on fundamentals, not muddled nonsense.

  170. 3b says:

    Blackrock and Wells Fargo delay return to office

  171. 3b says:

    Fast: They are not all like that, and as for their politics their are many who would be described as centrists and some even conservative. But even those don’t have the hang ups about sexuality that some boomers have.
    Of course many have to keep their opinions to themselves because of the current environment. But make no mistake the Boomers have screwed that generationn. How took away corporate pensions, the boomers, who decided that summer interns should not be paid, the Boomers. Who sold out American manufacturing to China and elsewhere, the Boomers. Who is profiting the most from the Feds disastrous monetary policies, the Boomers. Two incomes now for the same POS house that the Boomers bought for 125k back in the late 80s and even less for the older Boomers.

    Boomers always need to be at the center of attention, look at them all in Washington DC, Biden, Pelosi, Mc Connell, Feinstein, and of course Trump. They need to get off the stage and move on, but they won’t. Boomers are the most self absorbed, self centered, and self medicated bunch ever. Left , right makes no difference they are always moaning about something about them, not real issues or problems, but BS self angst.

  172. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Current generation has a problem with depression. That billie eilish documentary on Apple tv is worth a watch to see how sad they really are.

    “GENERATION Z BATTLES ANXIETY AND DEPRESSION

    According to Western Governors University, only 45% of Generation Z individuals say their mental health is good or excellent. That is 11% lower than the next closest generation, millennials — those born between 1981 and 1996. In 2017, the latest year for which federal data are available, the study found that more than one in eight Americans ages 12 to 25 experienced a major depressive episode. Generation Z is the most depressed generation — however, this generation is also the most likely to seek treatment for anxiety and depression through counseling and therapy: 37% of Gen Zers reported that they received help from a psychologist or other mental health expert, which is more than any previous generation.”

    https://www.aecf.org/blog/generation-z-and-mental-health

  173. Phoenix says:

    Yahoo! Voices: ‘The builder had sold 130 homes the first day’: Foreign buyers may add to housing woes, prices.
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/builder-had-sold-130-homes-040102116.html

  174. Bystander says:

    “They’re mostly opinions, often flawed, based on knee jerk reaction and wandering emotions. In past generations, it was an exception, now it’s the norm. Ideas are based on fundamentals, not muddled nonsense.”

    I really don’t know what you are talking about sometimes. Do you think a set of Encyclopaedia Britannica is better than Wikipedia? I am not talking specifically about any ideology that you are inferring. Kids have access to more and better information way quicker. There is also a plethora of garbage information and that will be the bane of their generation. Smoking is cool, priests are gods, asbestos is great insulator and a little lead wont kill ya. Are those fundamentals? Quick data will produce Nicholas Sandmann or a Greta Thornburg. That is not point unless you feel your side is losing message..which going by popular vote, it is.

  175. joyce says:

    Phoenix,

    As the video progresses and Mason continues to question why he was arrested, the supervisor along with the Sunrise Beach officer witnessing the incident, threatens to punch Mason and put him in a chair. The supervisor warns Mason of the 15 video cameras with audio in the jail area, and when Mason asks, “You would punch me in my face?” the officer replies, “Absolutely, would you like me to do it?” and tells Mason he can do that.
    ………
    “I had no problem releasing the video,” he said. “We are not hiding anything. My officer could have done things differently, but he didn’t do anything wrong. He was there for backup for Sunrise Beach. Information that he provided about the fingerprints was wrong and that has been discussed.”

    https://www.lakenewsonline.com/story/news/local/2021/06/24/lake-ozarks-camden-county-sheriffs-department-police-officer-official-removed-video-sunrise-beach/5337661001/

  176. Libturd says:

    Just got off the phone with my folks in Florida. Mom is 80 and dad is 87 with multiple myeloma. Both were exposed to covid at a poker game. They were unmasked. It is now 9 days post exposure and the vaccine worked. They got the PCR test. Neither felt a thing. All hail the amazing vaccines.

    Also, the state is turning on DeSantis. My mom said that he just told a mother that he would stop her kid from being able to wear a mask in school, even if she chose to. They also say his decisions, such as the cruise ship issue refusing to make people prove they are vaccinated, is killing the cruise industry. They said the old people are clearly against him now. My folks are two registered Republicans. Don’t get me wrong. They hate Biden/Harris as much as ever, but are so anti-DeSantis, it’s unreal. Republicans are done. Florida will be blue going forward.

  177. Fast Eddie says:

    Florida will be blue going forward.

    Yay!! Equal poverty, stagnation, suppression, higher taxes, wasted resources, unresponsive government, shared misery and retarded progress for all!

  178. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “Compound interest is the eighth wonder of the world. He who understands it, earns it. He who doesn’t, pays it” – Albert Einstein

  179. Libturd says:

    We sure could use some retarded progress.

  180. BRT says:

    Also, the state is turning on DeSantis. My mom said that he just told a mother that he would stop her kid from being able to wear a mask in school, even if she chose to.

    https://youtu.be/wuAbLIexkAw?t=55

    This is his speech yesterday. He says the parents will be in charge of that decision.

  181. Check My Math says:

    What is 0% compounded quarterly? I know you’re thinking this is a trick question. But what happens when it is 0% compounded quarterly for 13 years?

  182. Phoenix says:

    Joyce,
    They all need to be fired. But we have accepted to be treated like this so I guess it’s our fault.
    Heroes can’t do no wrong.

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