Paying taxes in the Sunshine State

From the Star Ledger:

With no SALT deduction, should I move to Florida?

There’s no question that taxes across the board are high in New Jersey when compared with other states, and that most taxes in Florida are lower.

To begin with, Florida has no state income tax, while New Jersey imposes a gross income tax that ranges from 1.4% to as high as 10.7% on taxable income over $1 million, said Gene McGovern, a certified financial planner with McGovern Financial Advisors in Westfield.

New Jersey also has some of the highest property taxes in the nation, he said.

Florida, however, while less expensive, still ranks 18th out of 50 states in property taxes as a percentage of median income, he said.

McGovern said New Jersey’s sales tax is actually slightly less than in Florida.

“Florida imposes an average combined state and local sales tax rate of about 7% compared with New Jersey’s 6.625%. Note also that Florida taxes clothing purchases while New Jersey doesn’t,” he said.

Then, gasoline taxes in Florida are about 7 cents a gallon less than in New Jersey.

“So, to paraphrase Governor Murphy, if taxes are your only consideration, maybe New Jersey isn’t the state for you,” McGovern said.

But let’s take a moment to look at the other side of the New Jersey tax coin before turning to your question.

To begin with, New Jersey doesn’t tax Social Security benefits at all. They’re tax-free here, he said.

Moreover, New Jersey recently expanded its tax exclusion for pension and retirement income, effective for the 2021 tax year. Under the new rules, if you’re 62 or older and your total income is $150,000 or less, you can exclude all or part of your pension, annuity, and IRA withdrawals from being taxed, based on your income.

Many New Jersey retirees, then, are eligible to pay little or no state income tax, he said.

In terms of property tax relief, New Jerseyans who are 65 or older and have total income that doesn’t exceed $92,969, as of 2020, are eligible for the Senior Freeze, which reimburses eligible senior citizens and disabled persons for increases in the property tax on their principal residence, he said. The income limit is adjusted upward each year.

Finally, New Jersey abolished its estate tax as of 2018 and has no gift taxes.

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166 Responses to Paying taxes in the Sunshine State

  1. Hold my beer says:

    Foist

  2. dentss says:

    second

  3. Hold my beer says:

    Boomers get to live large in Jersey. Sell your pos cape or colonial for 550k they paid 50-100k for. Pay cash for house in 55+ community in ocean, Atlantic, Burlington county and have 250k at least leftover. Collect pension and take money out of retirement accounts and avoid nj income tax and get discount on property tax. It’s almost Florida with snow.

  4. Fast Eddie says:

    We’re supposed to be grateful that government is demonstrating how compassionate they are or is their slight-of-hand so perfect that you don’t even know you bled to death until your body drops to the floor?

  5. Old realtor says:

    The only reason many of you believe that the private sector can do a better job than government providing essential services is, you have never known another way. Waste, fraud and corruption come from people, not the structure of government. No matter what you call the entity that provides the services, people will be involved and similar issues will occur.

    Humans are a bad breed!

  6. grim says:

    Republican states looking to extend unemployment benefits to folks who quit their jobs due to vaccine requirements.

    Not sure who is more socialist now.

  7. Hold my beer says:

    Both sides look for ways to justify their hypocrisy and seem noble.

  8. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I think one final flush for ark (and market in general)and then it’s buy.

    njtownhomer says:
    December 2, 2021 at 12:01 am
    Not so fast Pumpkin, Check this out.
    https://twitter.com/Josh_Young_1/status/1466252602241433602

    Options became the major market, pinning down the stock market. Again flows are particularly bad as we close the year. So many funds are cashing out for the end of the year.

    I expect good times will follow soon, but the cycle could be vicious.

  9. Hold my beer says:

    Had my melanoma surgery yesterday. They took out a chunk of flesh shaped like a football and bigger than an eye down to the layer of tissue above the muscle.

    Since it’s my 3rd skin cancer this year I had already hit my deductible. Only cost me $50. Winning?

  10. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Boom! Someone that finally gets it. Amen!

    Post of the day.

    Old realtor says:
    December 2, 2021 at 7:06 am
    The only reason many of you believe that the private sector can do a better job than government providing essential services is, you have never known another way. Waste, fraud and corruption come from people, not the structure of government. No matter what you call the entity that provides the services, people will be involved and similar issues will occur.

    Humans are a bad breed!

  11. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Those people presumably want to work. They are resisting medical tyranny and a worthless and potentially dangerous shot in their arm. If Biden is robbing their livelihoods then let him pay the unemployment.

    The mandate is a self defeating policy at the point. The fallout overwhelms any potential positives. Of course it was always political but I don’t think it helps on that either.

  12. grim says:

    Waste, fraud and corruption come from people, not the structure of government.

    I thoroughly disagree, government is held to no performance standard with any sense of accountability. From top to bottom, appointments are made based on patronage and not capability. In nearly every case, doing the absolute bare minimum, or even less, provides a lifetime job with benefits. Plenty of NJ jobs operate in a way that’s closer to a high school popularity contest. Show me where a government employee lost their job because they blew a budget or didn’t deliver on time? The level of waste driven by ambivalence is likely astronomical.

    If the entire corporate world is greedy, the entire public sector is lazy.

    That said, we need to change our healthcare system, it’s not sustainable, and a public-sector option clearly is not working.

  13. Hold my beer says:

    And why are citizens required to be vaccinated to work at some companies and organizations yet we don’t vaccinate the undocumented travelers we catch and release? Does Covid somehow only infect those are legally allowed to be in the US?

  14. 3b says:

    Grim: You responded before I could, and are absolutely right. There is no accountability inthe public sector.

  15. BRT says:

    I think one final flush for ark (and market in general)and then it’s buy.

    Are you admitting it wasn’t a buy for an entire year?

  16. Fast Eddie says:

    For those of you who believe in government “for” the people, offer a greater portion of your income to assist in the health and well-being of your fellow man. Put your money where your mouth is. If you’re so compelled and compassionate, give more.

  17. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I know someone that forgot to submit payment and cost the company 750K. Nothing happened and he got promoted to vp two years later. Grim, so much stuff goes down in the private companies, but because they are private, no one hears about it unless you work there.

    If a public entity cost the taxpayer 750k for forgetting to submit a payment…it would be front page news.

    “Plenty of NJ jobs operate in a way that’s closer to a high school popularity contest. Show me where a government employee lost their job because they blew a budget or didn’t deliver on time? “

  18. grim says:

    I don’t care if you waste your money.

    I care if you waste mine.

    That’s the difference you fail to grasp.

  19. The Great Pumpkin says:

    No. If you are playing it long term, it doesn’t matter. You have been buying on its way down, not up. Understand this. Would you rather start buying in as it goes up 30% while you are buying, and then it drops? Wouldn’t you want to buy cheaper shares each month for the early part of the marathon?

    Do you think these high growth stocks targeted by ark are dead for good? No way. This is why ark etf funds are not for the faint of heart. If you can’t handle the massive swings, you should not be here. You also should not be playing this short term, it’s impossible to time it correctly….it swings way too fast.

    BRT says:
    December 2, 2021 at 8:57 am
    I think one final flush for ark (and market in general)and then it’s buy.

    Are you admitting it wasn’t a buy for an entire year?

  20. Fast Eddie says:

    I know someone that forgot to submit payment and cost the company 750K. Nothing happened and he got promoted to vp two years later.

    I know someone who’s been peddling influence for money for half a century and was elected president by a muppet populace even though the guy shits his pants and has the recall capacity of a three year old.

  21. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You are seeking a utopia. An institution that is perfect.

    Do you really think all govt workers are lazy and do nothing? That’s a republican stereotype. If all workers are lazy and incompetent, how does anything get done?

    grim says:
    December 2, 2021 at 9:11 am
    I don’t care if you waste your money.

    I care if you waste mine.

    That’s the difference you fail to grasp.

  22. 3b says:

    Talk to people in the private sector that have to deal with the public sector and they will tell you the nightmare of trying to get things done, and how long it takes things that should have a quick turn around but take weeks. Phones that go unanswered, and from what I have heard from family members who deal with them, the attitude and contempt they have.

  23. crushednjmillenial says:

    If you don’t like the building department clerk in your town, but you need a permit, you can’t go to the next building department down the road. No competition. No accountability.

    Whenever I encounter a government office worker that actually somewhat handles their job like a human being (rudimentary competence, professionalism and politeness), I respect it for what it is – more than I should expect in our current system. Obviously, most government workers I encounter are hilariously incompetent, unprofessional and rude. Stereotypical DMV workers.

  24. The Great Pumpkin says:

    In order to lower your taxes, most town or city governments are littered with low paid employees. When I go to a private sector business that pays their employees similar low wages, I get the same response. Try going to home depot and getting help from their employees. Competition helping there? It’s a private sector company, how can these workers be so lazy and incompetent? Right, when you pay someone 40-50k a year, do not expect much.

  25. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I order a product online to pick up in store or curbside. You know what kind of nightmare that is. How can this be? I thought the private sector is perfect. Competition makes them perfect, correct? Save the bs guys.

  26. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I call a company customer service hotline, it’s a f’ing nightmare. How can this be? They are not a govt run institution…they are private….so how can this be?

  27. PumpkinFace says:

    The private sector is perfect the same way every teacher is perfect. Logic!

  28. Fast Eddie says:

    I worked for the public sector for four years. I got out because I felt guilty. I felt like I was stealing money to read three newspapers per day. It was a 9 to 4 “job,” with an hour for lunch and 95% wasting time.

  29. Phoenix says:

    “Talk to people in the private sector that have to deal with the public sector and they will tell you the nightmare of trying to get things done, and how long it takes things that should have a quick turn around but take weeks.”

    The public sector is catching up in this area and may even pass the public one soon.

    The public sector has gotten so greedy they turned up the treadmill so high that the bodies are piling up on the rollers and gumming up the mechanism.

  30. Phoenix says:

    “I worked for the public sector for four years. I got out because I felt guilty. I felt like I was stealing money to read three newspapers per day. It was a 9 to 4 “job,” with an hour for lunch and 95% wasting time.”

    Come back and work with me. Luckily you won’t be fed too often this way you won’t be able to vomit anyway.

  31. Phoenix says:

    Good for you Pumps.

    I’d rather feel “guilty” doing nothing and retire with a pension than feeling like I got hit by two trucks every day, then being told(and paying for) that something you got at work instead happened because they believe you got it making out with your gasoline pumping attendant.

    Good for you. That’s private vs public.

  32. 3b says:

    I was in the building department in my town years ago, hours were 9 to 1 and 2 to 4. I get there and there are people ahead of me, now 5 minutes to 1:00 I had everything in order it would have taken only a few minutes, but no, at 5 to 1 she closed the window and tells me to come back at 2:00. Tax dollars at work!

  33. Juice Box says:

    JP Morgan says Fauci may be out of a job soon as Dr. Doom…

    “The recent market turmoil caused by the emergence of the omicron virus strain may offer investors a chance to position for a trend reversal in reopening and commodity trades, according to JPMorgan Chase & Co.

    While it is likely that omicron is more transmissible, early reports suggest it may also be less deadly, which would fit into the pattern of virus evolution observed historically, strategists Marko Kolanovic and Bram Kaplan wrote in a note Wednesday. This might ultimately be a positive for risk markets because it could signal that the end of the pandemic is in sight, they said.
    “Omicron could be a catalyst for steepening (not flattening) the yield curve, rotation from growth to value, selloff in Covid and lockdown beneficiaries and rally in reopening themes,” the strategists said. “We view the recent selloff in these segments as an opportunity to buy the dip in cyclicals, commodities and reopening themes, and to position for higher bond yields and steepening.”

  34. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Maybe this is the bottom for high growth stocks….might not get flushed more. Almost impossible to time this, just know it’s cheap, and buy. Even if it goes down more, you are still getting it super cheap.

    People crying about the price to earnings ration months ago, now they have been sliced in half.

  35. The Great Pumpkin says:

    What do you think this individual is paid? That’s why they don’t give a f/k. You think they are going to go above and beyond out of the goodness of their heart? Some will, because they are good people, but most people are selfish f/ks.

    3b says:
    December 2, 2021 at 10:05 am
    I was in the building department in my town years ago, hours were 9 to 1 and 2 to 4. I get there and there are people ahead of me, now 5 minutes to 1:00 I had everything in order it would have taken only a few minutes, but no, at 5 to 1 she closed the window and tells me to come back at 2:00. Tax dollars at work!

  36. 3b says:

    Pumps: So you justify her behavior? Her hours were 9 to 1, was it too much to ask that she at least work until 1:00? It was a simple matter it could have been done in the 5 minute window. She just did not give a crap. Many people in town complained about how she treated residents and nothing was ever done about it.

  37. BRT says:

    When I was trying to get my physics, they denied my application 3 times claiming I didn’t have enough credits. I needed 30, I had 120. The morons wouldn’t respond back though. This office was a train wreck. They would email you from a non-reply address and they had no office listed that you could visit in person. So I just kept sending it in and they kept rejecting it. It was a mystery who you were working with. I had to submit letters from the department chairs of Physics, Chemistry, and Education at Rutgers demanding they approve it. I was fortunate in that I knew both science department chairs personally so they let me write the letter and they just signed it. Eventually, someone just replied back saying “you’re approved”. It was a long fight though.

    The system at the time, once they approved you was you signed an online form to apply for your certificate and then you mailed in a $200 check. Well, I was procrastinating on mailing in the check. The cert came anyway. Same with my chem cert. So, I never bothered mailing them the $400. Later on, two guys in that office were busted because they were pocketing every teacher’s checks. They must have thought they cashed my checks and sent me my certs. This had to have gone on for decades.

  38. Phoenix says:

    3b,
    She was a Karen. When she left that day she went to her second job on the Condo Board.

    Now on the other hand had you been really handsome it might have turned out different :)

  39. Phoenix says:

    Ever deal with Hartford management? The one now used for human resources for PRIVATE companies?

    Don’t tell me they are better than someone at the building department…

  40. Phoenix says:

    And there was this pretty young woman from Theranos….

    Later on, two guys in that office were busted because they were pocketing every teacher’s checks. They must have thought they cashed my checks and sent me my certs. This had to have gone on for decades.

  41. The Great Pumpkin says:

    No, I don’t justify it, but it’s the reality. Why do you think I constantly say human nature is a b!tch?

    I just don’t agree with you people like you that think these people are “bad” because they work for the govt. That’s just naive and silly. The people are the problem. They are littered all over the population, not just in govt jobs.

    Same thing happens with schools. If it’s a public school, esp in a poor area, it’s the bad teachers and the schools fault. All you have to do to fix the situation is provide a voucher for a private school and the problem is solved. Again, that’s naive and silly.

    3b says:
    December 2, 2021 at 10:19 am
    Pumps: So you justify her behavior? Her hours were 9 to 1, was it too much to ask that she at least work until 1:00? It was a simple matter it could have been done in the 5 minute window. She just did not give a crap. Many people in town complained about how she treated residents and nothing was ever done about it.

  42. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Think about a failing school like Passaic. What is their college readiness level? 4% proficient in math and 16% in reading. Appalling. They would have been out of business a long time ago in the private sector.

  43. Phoenix says:

    Passaic:

    I once worked at a Hospital that was trying to start a new open heart program.

    Good doctors, good staff. But new.

    All of the patients they got were the rejects from the hospitals with high ratings, cause in order to keep their ratings high they would deny patients that were risky and bring their numbers down. Don’t take that overweight diabetic loser, turf him to a “lower tier” place, we want to be “the best” and that won’t look good.

    You can figure out the rest.

  44. Phoenix says:

    Pumps,
    I agree with you on this:

    I just don’t agree with you people like you that think these people are “bad” because they work for the govt. That’s just naive and silly. The people are the problem. They are littered all over the population, not just in govt jobs.

  45. Phoenix says:

    Good, Biden, Close the school. What are you going to do with the children? No school, private one? Go for it.

    Think about a failing school like Passaic. What is their college readiness level? 4% proficient in math and 16% in reading. Appalling. They would have been out of business a long time ago in the private sector.

  46. Ex says:

    What you are failing to consider is the alternatives.
    If you introduce a place like “Edison” into the mix or for that matter a Charter into a failing district….it won’t matter.

    The private sector won’t be able to fix it just because they blow through more teachers, or are leaner than a public school, or have this or that technology. A failing school is failing because it reflects the population of the area that feeds the school.

    When you look at failure of a school you are looking essentially at the failure of the population of a given area to achieve standards. This is probably due to a number of factors: Poverty, illiteracy, illness…..etc etc.

    Look at the track record of Charters or of private ed. firms that enter an area and compare that to alternatives. It may sound like I support the status quo, but I am simply saying “schools” are not the problem.

  47. Phoenix says:

    When you look at failure of a school you are looking essentially at the failure of the population of a given area to achieve standards. This is probably due to a number of factors: Poverty, illiteracy, illness…..etc etc.

    Agreed. BidenIsTheGOAT says to close the school. Cause that’s what corporate would do. So what happens to those children Corporate? You want to chain them up and have them work in the fields for you?

  48. Ex says:

    Snip: She also warns against restrictions. “The more we try and suppress our youth, [the more likely it is] we will end with another form of riots and it will be far worse than it was a few years ago.”

    Sounds fun right? Yeah, schools are changing and quickly. NJ has a very monolithic and expensive model which rewards people who go to college and become teachers. Most have no “practical experience” and they hunker down for 30 years and then get paid to leave. Great gig if you can get it! Very political. Very top down management. Antiquated and completely reliant on parents bringing kids to school who are ready to learn.

  49. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You can’t fire students or parents. Again, naive and silly position.

    How is it that some kids still go onto to ivy league schools from Passaic? How? Oh right, those are students that actually behave like students. You know, participate, do their work, and try to learn.

    BidenIsTheGOAT says:
    December 2, 2021 at 10:45 am
    Think about a failing school like Passaic. What is their college readiness level? 4% proficient in math and 16% in reading. Appalling. They would have been out of business a long time ago in the private sector.

  50. The Great Pumpkin says:

    phoenix and ex,

    Amen. You guys get it.

  51. Ex says:

    In California this is already a reality:
    The Ian Mikardo school rules

    1 There are no rules

    2 No detentions

    3 No punishments

    4 No rewards

    5 No uniform (for staff or students)

    6 No physical restraint

    7 Instead, children are encouraged to empathize

    8 Listen to each other

    9 Be non-judgmental

    10 And respect one another

  52. Phoenix says:

    “The more we try and suppress our youth, [the more likely it is] we will end with another form of riots and it will be far worse than it was a few years ago.”

    I agree with this, which will lead to this, a post someone else wrote a while back:

    “Biden is a speed bump on the road to an authoritarian state and a de facto break up of the country. Glad I am 70 and have no children to leave behind to suffer the (violent) end of the US and the end of a planet hospitable to human life. The end game will not be pleasant, including for the knuckleheads who think they will enjoy life on a police state.”

  53. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Like oil companies, the best path for many legacy automakers is to wind down production, return capital to investors and go out of business. The attempt to become EV makers may be more value destroying than simply running off the legacy business.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/stellantis-ceo-says-ev-cost-burden-is-beyond-limits-automakers-2021-12-01/

  54. Ex says:

    The final leg in this stool is leadership at most schools. It’s…..abysmal.
    Most principals are ex-teachers with no management acumen and very little life experience. These ex-teachers are often not even very good at teaching and simply did that for a few years and got a “certification” that say now they can supervise people.

    The expression the fish rots from the head down is true in almost every case.

  55. Phoenix says:

    Those who can’t teach teach gym, or become the principal?

  56. Phoenix says:

    America:

    The expression the fish rots from the head down is true in almost every case.

  57. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Ex,

    It’s mission impossible. Kids aren’t allowed to get suspended because that takes them out of the classroom…aka hurts their education. It’s like being a cop that can’t arrest someone. It’s draining.

  58. Ex says:

    11:07 in some ways I think that the kids today understand the bleakness of the future and the overall potential for disaster. They’ve seen the same stuff we have over the past decade or two. They understand things are fuuuuuuucked for many, many people.

    I feel terrible for them and hope things economically and politically can improve. I somehow doubt that they will. I think we are on the fast-track to oblivion. That being said of course some lives will be wonderful. I just think we all are getting used to reduced expectations.

  59. Ex says:

    so to sum it up…..Not caring is the new caring….any questions…?

  60. Phoenix says:

    Ex,
    They do, cause they are not insulated anymore, they see the world in real time through the internet. They realize most adults are liars. They read what the clergy does, what racists their parents are, what failures police and judges are. They see how dirty politicians are, and that presidents lie with impunity.

    The problem is the adults. They could have set good examples, but no, radical capitalism has taken over America. They realize the plan is to make them the future slaves.

  61. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – That CEO is running quite a few quite a few (14) century old car companies with over 400,000 employees.

    Peugeot, Citroen, DS Automobiles, Opel,Vauxhall, Fiat, Chrysler, Dodge, Ram, Jeep, Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Lancia, and Maserati.

    What he is saying will come to pass, they will need to wind down the older operations and consolidate and eliminate the brands if they are going to survive the electric revolution. They have committed $36 billion to do so.

    Lots of small European towns are going to get wrecked, along with American ones too as they shut down plants. They like GM, Volkswagen and Ford are busy building new EVs plants and their own battery factories. People working on older ICE tech will either have to retrain or leave all together, as the EV cars don’t require as much labor since they are simpler to make, have less moving parts so less labor overall.

  62. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Teachers are locking kids into failed schools and at the same time telling them the reason they can’t get on the economic ladder is because of systemic racism. While maintaining the status quo and collecting a check. Teachers unions are one of the biggest problems this country has.

  63. Phoenix says:

    Watch this, Kids of America, learn to respect your elders: No insulation for you-see what America has become, and what the future will look like:

    https://youtu.be/rngerMY-WS8?t=62

  64. Phoenix says:

    Biggest. Hahahaha. Yeah, a problem, but biggest? I vote this post for joke of the day!

    “Teachers unions are one of the biggest problems this country has.”

  65. crushednjmillenial says:

    Comparing the service at Home Depot versus government . . .

    First, I am in Home Depot once a week. Overwhelmingly, people come in and expect Home Depot staff to basically teach them how to perform a DIY repair. Sometimes, the workers can do something like that; sometimes not. I’m not saying HD service is good. Nonetheless, if someone realistically thinks HD employees can approach the rudeness and shrugging of a government employee, then I just simply disagree. I’m not going to engage beyond that.

    Finally, if you don’t like the HD service you can go to Lowe’s. Maybe more importantly, you can go to AMZN. At some point, HD will need to be very careful about AMZN competition – for things like door knobs, shelf racks, cleaning supplies, and other small items, AMZN usually beats on price if you can wait the 1-3 days for shipping. For large items like sheetrock and lumber, supply houses are cheaper if you are buying in bulk. Thus, HD is basically a convenience store for home repair goods – it is competing on convenience, not price or quality.

    Right now, HD is still riding tremendous revenue and profitability growth for many years, but a few bad quarters and they may re-configure their employee training and procedures. Government never, ever, ever, ever makes such an adjustment in my entire life (even if an anti-government-apathy candidate campaigned on this issue and won, there are difficult structural problems regarding incentives that are hard to overcome).

  66. Juice Box says:

    Speaking of ICE cars, I had the front flex joint break on my exaust. To fix properly requires a single welded exhaust change from the manifold back to the Cat Converter on my truck. Cost me like $700 installed at Midas for a part I could have purchased for about $200 online. I did not want to install it myself simply because I am past the point of jacking up a truck and crawling under to change an exhaust pipe. I did consider doing it but I took the easy way out, even though I have tools and skills to do it.

    The Midas shop just txted me to see if I wanted to change the rest of the exhaust for somewhere north of $2000… I just laughed as I don’t need it, nothing worn out yet. These mechanics will all need to retrain to fix something else once all the older ICE cars are off the roads.

  67. The Great Pumpkin says:

    lol…yup.

    Ex says:
    December 2, 2021 at 11:21 am
    so to sum it up…..Not caring is the new caring….any questions…?

  68. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Juice,

    Electric cars are def deflationary. Going to take away a lot of mechanic jobs by saving people money with maintenance.

  69. The Great Pumpkin says:

    What are y0u advocating for? Making it more expensive? Have multiple dmv’s so you can find a worker you enjoy?

    “Finally, if you don’t like the HD service you can go to Lowe’s. Maybe more importantly, you can go to AMZN. At some point, HD will need to be very careful about AMZN competition”

  70. Phoenix says:

    Crushed,
    Not apples to apples. Home depot is not so much a need, like govt services.

    Compare other things, necessities. Health insurance companies, Drug companies, things like that. You will find it’s leverage there as well. Go find a lawyer that won’t rip you off. They know you need them, will find out how much money you have, then loot you better than John Dillinger but without a gun.

  71. BRT says:

    Teachers are locking kids into failed schools and at the same time telling them the reason they can’t get on the economic ladder is because of systemic racism. While maintaining the status quo and collecting a check. Teachers unions are one of the biggest problems this country has.

    My kids’ district shut down school nearly the entire year last year, which is largely a minority heavy school, while teaching them about how systemic racism keeps them down. Every neighboring school such as Hopewell, Princeton, West Windsor, and other wealthy towns, they returned and ran school nearly the entire year.

    In Mercer County, Trenton, Lawrence, and Ewing were all shut down. Hopewell, Princeton, and West Windsor were open. This is not a coincidence. It was the same throughout the state. Rich schools open, middle class schools were a toss up, poor schools, automatically shut down.

  72. Phoenix says:

    Electric cars are government subsidized or no one would be buying them. It’s a gift to those who can afford to buy them after the discount. Notice you don’t see many single mothers driving a Tesla.

  73. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Did it ever occur to you that some govt employees are the way they are because of the people they deal with. People that think they own them because they pay taxes. People that stereotype them while yelling and screaming at them because they hate govt. Wake up.

    “Right now, HD is still riding tremendous revenue and profitability growth for many years, but a few bad quarters and they may re-configure their employee training and procedures. Government never, ever, ever, ever makes such an adjustment in my entire life”

  74. Phoenix says:

    It’s not racism, it’s wealth.

    Rich schools open, middle class schools were a toss up, poor schools, automatically shut down.

    Musk isn’t racist, he just couldn’t care less about people that can’t afford his products.

  75. Fast Eddie says:

    punkin head,

    No school again today?

  76. Phoenix says:

    Ebay worked fine until Musk got his grubby fingers in it sucking a percentage of every item sold on there.

    It was better when people sent money orders and envelopes of cash.

  77. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Comes down to politics. I know my town had crazy trumpers. They flipped out. Poor parents don’t care and wanted their kids home. My district based it on a parent survey, and guess what, it’s the poor parents that didn’t want their kids in school coming back home to a multi generational household to spread the virus.

    “My kids’ district shut down school nearly the entire year last year, which is largely a minority heavy school, while teaching them about how systemic racism keeps them down. Every neighboring school such as Hopewell, Princeton, West Windsor, and other wealthy towns, they returned and ran school nearly the entire year.

    In Mercer County, Trenton, Lawrence, and Ewing were all shut down. Hopewell, Princeton, and West Windsor were open. This is not a coincidence. It was the same throughout the state. Rich schools open, middle class schools were a toss up, poor schools, automatically shut down.”

  78. Phoenix says:

    “Just stop living in fear and accept that death is coming”

    Phoenix.

  79. Juice Box says:

    Phoenix – it was a clean shoot he could have rolled up his wheelchair and knifed the Lowes cashier.

    I am surprised the off duty cop working as Walmart security did not wing the Lowes cashier with one of those 9 rounds.

    https://www.12news.com/article/news/local/arizona/attorney-says-tucson-officer-trying-deescalate-before-shooting-killing-man-wheelchair/75-ca65c888-0e8e-49fe-ad6a-109285e25b23

  80. BRT says:

    Comes down to politics. I know my town had crazy trumpers. They flipped out. Poor parents don’t care and wanted their kids home. My district based it on a parent survey, and guess what, it’s the poor parents that didn’t want their kids in school coming back home to a multi generational household to spread the virus.

    This completely stupid. Wanting to have your kid at home shouldn’t have meant you get to force every other kid in town to stay home too.

  81. Juice Box says:

    Elizabeth school board voted in August to be 100% remote this semester because 375 teachers said they would not return to the classroom due to covid fears. It had nothing to do with kids bringing home covid to a multi-generational house hold.

  82. BRT says:

    Elizabeth school board voted in August to be 100% remote this semester because 375 teachers said they would not return to the classroom due to covid fears. It had nothing to do with kids bringing home covid to a multi-generational house hold.

    This also set off a chain reaction. Anyone who lived in Elizabeth but taught elsewhere was forced into a position of being home with their kids not allowed at school. And in turn, caused their districts to shut down, which resonated throughout the entire state. My district was able to barely avoid the shut down because we were allowed to pay tuition to have our kids attend here. I would have done it had I not been commuting 2.5 hours a day. In hindsight, I should have but we were given the false promise of opening by October.

  83. JCer says:

    On electric cars it’s worse than you think, first every government is giving subsidies and then on top of that the legacy automakers are PAYING Tesla because they aren’t meeting their quotas or fleet fuel economy standards.

    Electric cars make up a tiny market because that is where they have the advantage, the CEO of Stellantis is right your average family goes out and buys a minivan or a crossover for 35 or 40k the equivalent utility in an electric car would be 75k or more. Until they can really drive the price down and the selection up it remains a niche market despite what policy wonks wants to happen. Idiots like Mayor Pete seem to think the folks who can’t afford $4 per gal gas for the 10 year old corolla they bought for 3k should buy an EV.

    As for mechanics, the EV’s are like iPhones, when it breaks you might as well replace the thing, the battery is a unit and there are electric motors none of it is really serviceable in a shop you can replace those incredibly expensive parts and that’s it. At some point the vehicle is old enough you do not replace the expensive part you junk it, 25k to swap a battery in an 8 year old Tesla is probably not worth it as the build quality is sh*t the rest of the car is likely falling apart and the paint is flaking off or will soon.

  84. chicagofinance says:

    Can’t they make Pumps electric so we can turn it off?

  85. chicagofinance says:

    Boom! I wish you got it this way. Amen!
    https://youtu.be/f8jNXpKH-SU?t=36

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    December 2, 2021 at 8:26 am
    Boom! Someone that finally gets it. Amen!

    Post of the day.

    Old realtor says:
    December 2, 2021 at 7:06 am
    The only reason many of you believe that the private sector can do a better job than government providing essential services is, you have never known another way. Waste, fraud and corruption come from people, not the structure of government. No matter what you call the entity that provides the services, people will be involved and similar issues will occur.

    Humans are a bad breed!

  86. chicagofinance says:

    Curb your dog

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    December 2, 2021 at 9:40 am
    I order a product online to pick up in store or curbside.

  87. chicagofinance says:

    Had to fix something at SS office in Hoboken about 20 years ago. Walk in at 12:40PM. Take a number. Security guard there. One other person waiting in the room. Nobody behind the plexiglass to be seen. Nothing happens. Suddenly at 1:01PM four people walk in. They all go behind the door to the plexiglassed area. Some milling about. Three walk to offices and disappear. One move to a workstation at the glass. Starts tapping away at the computer. At about 1:07PM that person says “next”.

    3b says:
    December 2, 2021 at 10:05 am
    I was in the building department in my town years ago, hours were 9 to 1 and 2 to 4. I get there and there are people ahead of me, now 5 minutes to 1:00 I had everything in order it would have taken only a few minutes, but no, at 5 to 1 she closed the window and tells me to come back at 2:00. Tax dollars at work!

  88. chicagofinance says:

    For the stuff you buy, it definitely appears as if earnings have been “rationed”

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    December 2, 2021 at 10:07 am
    Maybe this is the bottom for high growth stocks….might not get flushed more. Almost impossible to time this, just know it’s cheap, and buy. Even if it goes down more, you are still getting it super cheap.

    People crying about the price to earnings ration months ago, now they have been sliced in half.

  89. Juice Box says:

    JCER – re: “As for mechanics, the EV’s are like iPhones, when it breaks you might as well replace the thing, the battery is a unit and there are electric motors none of it is really serviceable”

    I watched a few videos of the TESLA DIY repairs on this channel, but this one takes the cake.

    Brand new Model 3. Road debris broke a small piece of plastic pipe for the battery coolant system on the underside of the car. TSLA said they had to change the entire batty pack @ $16,000 to fix.

    Just take a look at this little piece of plastic that broke, I fast forwarded it to the part where they show it.

    https://youtu.be/vVSw3KSevEc?t=194

  90. chicagofinance says:

    Does that include the guy that was bitten in the dick by that venomous snake?

    Phoenix says:
    December 2, 2021 at 11:17 am
    America:

    The expression the fish rots from the head down is true in almost every case.

  91. JCer says:

    On public vs private sector. All organizations have some level of dysfunction and many have corruption that is human nature. The difference is the accountability, pumps brings up HD and call centers, they made a choice cost vs. quality. The company knows their employees aren’t efficient or great but they understand what they are paying these people and realize if they raise the bar they would have to raise the pay it is a conscious choice that being said if a worker at HD treated customers consistently the way the DMV clerks treat people they WOULD BE FIRED. My experience generally is HD clerks are pretty helpful especially as you get further away from the larger cities. Internet orders are a sh*t show because the stores aren’t setup very well for it and the volume is high around the holidays and they literally don’t have adequate space to stage the orders.

    The issue is in government the only thing that dictates an employees performance is their will to do a good job. I see it all the time there are people who work in government who are doing an excellent job but it is somewhat rare and is internally driven. In the private sector someone is accepting the waste and inefficiency because they are making money and that is the prerogative of the owners of the business. What happens in government is the employee who cares about the work they are doing is not treated much differently from the person who doesn’t. You can see it directly in schools the pay is based on seniority not the outcome nor the effort but how long they have held the position. Human nature is such that when people are not concerned so much with outcome but rather with holding their position by keeping their superiors happy it becomes a political exercise which brings out the worst in humanity. The incentive motive in government work is perverse, it’s not delivering the best service at the lowest cost in order to win more business, it is perpetuating the bureaucracy.

  92. chicagofinance says:

    employee stock ownership is a basic tenet of that model….. with stunningly outsized results for the long time and loyal employee in the case of HD.

    crushednjmillenial says:
    December 2, 2021 at 11:40 am
    Comparing the service at Home Depot versus government . . .

    First, I am in Home Depot once a week. Overwhelmingly, people come in and expect Home Depot staff to basically teach them how to perform a DIY repair. Sometimes, the workers can do something like that; sometimes not. I’m not saying HD service is good. Nonetheless, if someone realistically thinks HD employees can approach the rudeness and shrugging of a government employee, then I just simply disagree. I’m not going to engage beyond that.

    Finally, if you don’t like the HD service you can go to Lowe’s. Maybe more importantly, you can go to AMZN. At some point, HD will need to be very careful about AMZN competition – for things like door knobs, shelf racks, cleaning supplies, and other small items, AMZN usually beats on price if you can wait the 1-3 days for shipping. For large items like sheetrock and lumber, supply houses are cheaper if you are buying in bulk. Thus, HD is basically a convenience store for home repair goods – it is competing on convenience, not price or quality.

    Right now, HD is still riding tremendous revenue and profitability growth for many years, but a few bad quarters and they may re-configure their employee training and procedures. Government never, ever, ever, ever makes such an adjustment in my entire life (even if an anti-government-apathy candidate campaigned on this issue and won, there are difficult structural problems regarding incentives that are hard to overcome).

  93. Juice Box says:

    That 2oo million Zuck donated to Newark Schools 10 years ago? Where did it go? Much of the $200 million went toward buying out contracts of underperforming teachers. That’s right early retirement.

  94. chicagofinance says:

    Juice: don’t go to that Midas….. it is a ripoff… they suck

    Juice Box says:
    December 2, 2021 at 11:42 am
    Speaking of ICE cars, I had the front flex joint break on my exaust. To fix properly requires a single welded exhaust change from the manifold back to the Cat Converter on my truck. Cost me like $700 installed at Midas for a part I could have purchased for about $200 online. I did not want to install it myself simply because I am past the point of jacking up a truck and crawling under to change an exhaust pipe. I did consider doing it but I took the easy way out, even though I have tools and skills to do it.

    The Midas shop just txted me to see if I wanted to change the rest of the exhaust for somewhere north of $2000… I just laughed as I don’t need it, nothing worn out yet. These mechanics will all need to retrain to fix something else once all the older ICE cars are off the roads.

  95. JCer says:

    Juice I saw that video a while ago, it’s nuts. But just in terms of normal aging, if a few cells go bad on the battery you cannot replace them, Tesla won’t sell them, they just offer up the battery swap at 20k or more. There also isn’t the standardization on ICE cars there are a lot of parts shared across models and brands and competition to fix them.

  96. chicagofinance says:

    Tell it to Buttigieg….. I was going to refer to him as a fcking c0cksukcer just reflexively. but he actually is…..

    Phoenix says:
    December 2, 2021 at 11:48 am
    Electric cars are government subsidized or no one would be buying them. It’s a gift to those who can afford to buy them after the discount. Notice you don’t see many single mothers driving a Tesla.

  97. chicagofinance says:

    Nice bedside manner there… Doc

    Phoenix says:
    December 2, 2021 at 11:58 am
    “Just stop living in fear and accept that death is coming”

    Phoenix.

  98. chicagofinance says:

    What happened to Zuck’s $200M to Newark?
    https://youtu.be/PGb9cvg2IOQ?t=165

    Juice Box says:
    December 2, 2021 at 12:46 pm
    That 2oo million Zuck donated to Newark Schools 10 years ago? Where did it go? Much of the $200 million went toward buying out contracts of underperforming teachers. That’s right early retirement.

  99. Libturd says:

    Ex,

    I can relate to the effectiveness of that school model. Though I can’t quite say my upbringing compared to theirs, I can say that compared to my siblings performances in school, I was the only outlier many deviance to the left. And the more my parents punished, restricted or judged me, the worse I would perform. My complete lack of caring about my education reached a critical juncture in my first year of college. I managed to finish my Frosh year with a 1.6 GPA and was on both Academic and Residence Life probation, both for essentially being a derelict. My parents decided to stop offering any kind of advice or help and simply said, “It’s your life. What you make of it is your own responsibility.” They then said I was completely on my own to pay for college. Up to that point, that had saved all of the money I ever received in gifts and had invested it well enough to pay for my college. Montclair State was probably 15K a year back then. I busted my ass all summer (driving forklifts mainly for the pharma industry down in Somerset) and got on a payment plan with the college. Made Dean’s List the rest of the way and graduated with honors. With my parents off my back, I knew I was doing it for myself and not for them. For the first time in my life, I had to take responsibility for my own actions.

    Everyone has their own triggers. The worst thing you can do for a kid who doesn’t want to perform for their parents is to punish them. Then the system becomes another set up parents. Only an even sh1ttier set than the current ones. Good parents will always bail their kids out. Bad parents, all they can do is hope their kids learn to be responsible for themselves.

    Interesting experiment Ex. Thanks for sharing it.

    There was another experiment that I read about when I was in college. I’m not sure why it hasn’t been further studied or expanded, but it appeared that if you financially remunerated underperforming kids and their families for educational success, in K-12, the amount of educational success achieved is huge. And it didn’t cost that much to make it happen. Certainly, significantly less than the cost of their future incarceration in most cases. Sure, it not fair to the students and families already performing at an adequate level, and this is probably why the experiment was discontinued. Nonetheless, the results were eye opening. Though this does not surprise me as I think it’s the potential of future wealth(happiness) that drive most learners today. These underperformers (most poor), have few role models to learn from. Well, besides the drug dealers, auto thieves and the occasional rapper or basketball player. I’m going to see if I can find that study. The internet sucks when it comes to finding anything newsworthy prior to 2000.

  100. Bystander says:

    Just read end of Silver Chair with 7 year old. I found this Lewis quote funny as dig on teachers/admin/government in general. Things don’t change even book written 70 years go.

    “there was an inquiry into the whole thing. And in the inquiry all sorts of things about Experiment House came out, and about ten people got expelled. After that, the Head’s friends saw that the Head was no use as a Head, so they got her made an Inspector to interfere with other Heads. And when they found she wasn’t much good even at that, they got her into Parliament where she lived happily ever after.”
    ― C.S. Lewis, The Silver Chair

  101. Fast Eddie says:

    I managed to finish my Frosh year with a 1.6 GPA and was on both Academic and Residence Life probation, both for essentially being a derelict.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkCa49I6_xw

  102. No One says:

    The predecessors of Stellantis should have gone broke and had their better parts sold off decades ago. But governments bailed them out multiple times.

  103. Libturd says:

    Gary,

    I knew it was going to take me there, before I even clicked the link.

  104. No One says:

    Libturd, talking about personal responsibility is a microaggression to those who have determined that society and oppression explains all their problems. Some may feel microinvalidated.

  105. Libturd says:

    Let the microinvalidated suck their microappendages.

  106. crushednjmillenial says:

    On Electric Cars . . .

    I support electric car investment and subsidies by the government sector, at some reasonable level. I believe it is important for society to have alternatives for any vital system. So, for example if due to some unforseen set of market forces, oil prices are very high for a long time, some of the economy would be able to shift into now-existing electric vehicle use.

    I’d think the Dems are on board with EV, because at least superficially one could argue that efficient electric vehicles are more green. Part of the appeal of EV is that you don’t need to pay the gas tax – the operating cost savings is part of the justification for a higher upfront capital cost.

    Due to the above, I was angered by Dems floating a “tax-by-the mile” tax for road usage to capture money that consumers who own EV’s are able to avoid. I cast the worst pejorative around on those espousing such an idea.

  107. JCer says:

    Invest the EV subsidies into battery, solar cell, etc research. Until we can get to the next level of tech which drops costs significantly EV’s remain a rich man’s vehicle, giving a millionaire 7500 off a 90k car is not really helping to move them, the Tesla buyer was going to buy it anyway. They should put a hard cap in of 40k, only vehicles costing less than 40k get a subsidy at this point there really aren’t any but it would create an incentive to make a cheap ev for the people and only when such a thing becomes possible does the government need to pay out.

  108. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It’s funny how market psychology works. People couldn’t get enough of high growth stocks last year. Now that their price earnings ratio have dropped significantly, no one wants to touch it. Comical. Market is so irrational, but understanding this is how you make money in the market long term.

  109. Bystander says:

    Wow, Biden..what a day on Dow back up over 700 points and jobless claims came in lowest since 1969. He is a brilliant businessman, that is obvious. His policy is truly building America back better. Red headed bird idiots told me that these were the yardsticks two years ago with lots of tweeting from their king Orange dodo. The Rs have no policy anymore except insanity and political lay-aboutism with zero ideas for helping Americans who need it. I don’t know why party exists anymore except cruddy old people afraid of change and rich tax cons. The extremist Jesus freaks and gun nuts will always be there but who cares. Mostly poor idiots who live on wrong side of tracks, loving their religion and flag symbolism.

  110. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You had to subsidize the ev market to bring it to the masses. Private companies would never do it on their own. It’s much easier to milk your current product instead of taking risks trying to develop innovative technology. Let’s be serious, there was no competition until Musk came along with tesla.

  111. SmallGovConservative says:

    Old realtor says:
    December 2, 2021 at 7:06 am
    “The only reason many of you believe that the private sector can do a better job than government providing essential services is, you have never known another way. Waste, fraud and corruption come from people, not the structure of government…”

    Such an inane and inaccurate comment, excusing govt malfeasance because greed exists in the private sector. Completely ignores the single most important distinction which is that private enterprise creates wealth while govt consumes it. Also ignores the fact that private enterprise is driven by (and requires) the profit motive and is ultimately guard-railed by competition. Govt on the other hand, is inherently wasteful and govt positions are inherently prone to corruption. So given the fact that govt does not create wealth, is not required to be profitable, and is immune from competition, it must be kept SMALL!

  112. BRT says:

    What earnings?

  113. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Good post.

    Honestly, kids are tough and complex. So many things impact who they are. So what works with one kid, doesn’t work with another. It’s not easy.

    I don’t know what the answer is, but I know poverty is the problem. Poor kids look at education with a different set of eyes as you stated. You have to want it when it comes to learning, but unfortunately, they see no point to doing good in school. They are used to being lazy. They don’t even clean their houses. or themselves for the most part (not all, but majority do not make an effort to clean). Instead of throwing garbage in a can, it’s easier to throw it anywhere. There is no parenting because the parents are children themselves. They never grew up. It’s sad, and I wish I had the answer to fix it all.

    Libturd says:
    December 2, 2021 at 1:15 pm

  114. SmallGovConservative says:

    Bystander says:
    December 2, 2021 at 2:28 pm
    “Wow, Biden..what a day…He is a brilliant businessman…”

    I know you’re looking for a new job; maybe you can be Joe’s diaper changer.

  115. The Great Pumpkin says:

    If they are high growth, they should not have earnings. They should be growing revenue and spending anything extra on innovation and growing the company.

    People like you cried about amazon for about 15 years. The same people cried about tesla for years.

    I like when someone bashes ark by complaining about the companies not making money. NO SH!T SHERLOCK, it’s called high growth.

    BRT says:
    December 2, 2021 at 2:44 pm
    What earnings?

  116. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Give it a rest.

    lmao that govt doesn’t create wealth. Just stop.

    Where do you think the internet came from? Where do you think most of the major tech came from? Why do you think govt is helping subsidize EV? Wake up.

    “Such an inane and inaccurate comment, excusing govt malfeasance because greed exists in the private sector. Completely ignores the single most important distinction which is that private enterprise creates wealth while govt consumes it. Also ignores the fact that private enterprise is driven by (and requires) the profit motive and is ultimately guard-railed by competition. Govt on the other hand, is inherently wasteful and govt positions are inherently prone to corruption. So given the fact that govt does not create wealth, is not required to be profitable, and is immune from competition, it must be kept SMALL!”

  117. Bystander says:

    Sure, Small..perhaps curator of the great Rutgers football renaissance museum, with Schiano exhibit in progress. What bowl did they make again? Not the best at aligning with winners, are you?

  118. The Great Pumpkin says:

    No competition? You are competing against other countries. If the govt does a bad job, everyone leaves. If they do a bad job, another country takes them over. Bunch of competition at play.

    Why do you think all these immigrants are risking their life trying to get into our country? They are happy with their current govt?

    “So given the fact that govt does not create wealth, is not required to be profitable, and is immune from competition, it must be kept SMALL!”

  119. njtownhomer says:

    Scotty had discussed a lot of warnings for the EVs. The latest one is
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl8kl_7byus

    He had shared a lot about the EV arrival and the concerns with them. He is a gem in youtube.

  120. The Great Pumpkin says:

    If our govt doesn’t create wealth, why do we have so many millionaires compared to the avg country? Why did they become millionaires here and not Argentina?

  121. Hold my beer says:

    Fast

    You were flounder in real life?

  122. Fast Eddie says:

    You were flounder in real life?

    I was responding to Libturd’s post but shhhh!!! Yes, I was/am flounder!

  123. Fast Eddie says:

    Mostly poor idiots who live on wrong side of tracks, loving their religion and flag symbolism.

    And stock car racing! Don’t forget the asphalt and dirt oval crowd!

  124. Ex says:

    My brother-in-law is president of a Division of NASCAR
    A nice dude.

  125. Fast Eddie says:

    Ex,

    Seriously? Can you divulge more? There’s three top NASCAR divisions; Truck, Xfinity and Cup. Wow! That’s awesome! I booked Dover and will also go to Pocono and New Hampshire this spring/summer.

  126. Ex says:

    I’m sure he works with all three of those areas, but is more on the Media and Communications side. Very cool guy, used to race himself and knows and hangs out with Jeff Gordon as a ‘pal’.

  127. Bystander says:

    “And stock car racing! Don’t forget the asphalt and dirt oval crowd!”

    Oh, good one Ed. They live in the rectangle shaped home communities with the biggest flags you have ever seen, nearly touching the wheels on the ground. Glad you can play along with my sarcasm.

  128. Fast Eddie says:

    Jeff Gordon is multi-year series champion. He was a really good analyst for FOX the last four years and will move on to consult with his former team. That is so cool that your bro in law is involved in the sport and a former racer, too.

    I know one guy who did a simulation race against A.J. Allmendinger and got smoked so bad, it was like the guy was racing in a wheel barrel. Allmendinger is one of the best road course drivers on the planet and this guy thought he could compete in a Sim race. Hello.

  129. Fast Eddie says:

    They live in the rectangle shaped home communities with the biggest flags you have ever seen, nearly touching the wheels on the ground.

    At a race, all you see is American flags and a spattering of Trump flags. You could walk among the infield campers for hours and never see an O’Biden flag or in years past, anything to do with the “left” side of the tracks. What you will see is some smoking hot women! Omg. Once in a while, you’ll still see the stars and bars flying even though NASCAR has banned it.

  130. Ex says:

    His knees are shot. Apparently that happen a lot to ex-racers. Something about how they are positioned in the cars. Guy can really drive though.

    True about the NASCAR scene. It’s real-Americana. I know the ‘owner’ was very pr0-Trump. It is essentially a family business.

  131. Ex says:

    A lot of people don’t realize that, unlike the NFL, MLB, NBA and pretty much every other major sports organization on the planet, NASCAR is a privately-owned business controlled by ONE family. The France family. Bill France Sr. founded NASCAR back in 1948 and ran the organization until Bill Jr. took over in 1972. Bill Jr. steered NASCAR from 1972 until his retirement in 2000. Bill Jr’s son Brian France has been CEO since 2003. Brian, who has a paper net worth of $1 billion, has arguably not been the best leader.

  132. 3b says:

    Crushed: Who cares? What you want a DMV clerk that’s professional and pleasant? That’s asking too much, someone said that. Public sector workers shall not be criticized in any manner; it’s part of the doctrine.

    As to your point on HD employees I agree , some of the old timers are especially helpful. Most times I just need to find out where something I need might be, and to that extent I have always found HD employees knowledgeable and pleasant. A few times I have had employees walk me to the exact spot where something is.

  133. Fast Eddie says:

    Brian was a disgraced drunk of sorts and I think there’s more to that story. I believe Bill Jr’s brother, Jim France is at the helm now and has “steered” the sport back into greater relevancy again. It was going through a rough patch and he’s a seasoned motorsports guy who has helped the sport regain it’s spectator audience. The next generation car is being launched this coming year. Here’s the Ford: https://tinyurl.com/yck7hecy

    The Chevy and Toyota are hot looking too and I understand Dodge is reentering as well. Check out the “burn outs” that’ll be on NBCs sports channel on Saturday at I think, 6:00 PM ET. The drivers take their Cup cars on a secured area on Broadway in Nashville and burn the tires to the ground. It’s fun to watch… and hear! The f.ucking motors are loud!!

  134. 3b says:

    Chgo: Years ago I was in traffic court fighting a ticket somewhere down on 14th street . We are all lined up in the court room, judges bench and big chair with the flags and all of that. The judges clerk/ assistant comes out to her spot next to judge and puts a hand made sign on the front of her desk that said “ don’t be asking no questions, just take a seat. Yes , very professional, and certainly not rude and obnoxious.

  135. Ex says:

    That is one beautiful Ford. I have a big soft spot for Mustangs. Had a hi-Po model when I lived in Jersey and the car (and my driving) almost cost me my license.

  136. Fast Eddie says:

    Here’s the Chevy:

    https://tinyurl.com/2yabdz8m

  137. Fast Eddie says:

    The underside of the next gen cars are completely sealed. The faster the speed, the greater the downforce. The tires are an inch wider than the gen 6 cars for even greater grip. Side force may be negligible now because of the symmetric body but remains to be seen. They were experimenting with 550 HP on intermediate tracks but now, I understand the 670 HP on intermediate may even be better. The short tracks were going with 750 HP but I have no idea what will happen this year. The teams are still feeling it out and still making adjustments. They put slits in the windshield and rear windows for airflow because the gen 7 car’s exhaust on the driver’s side was/is running under the driver’s feet and the temperature was approaching 140 degrees. For years, 120 degrees has been the norm. I can go on and on… the science behind all of it is endless.

  138. Fast Eddie says:

    That’s 140 degrees inside the car.

  139. 3b says:

    I had a 72 Ford Mustang, with Landau roof 8 cylinders. Garage kept by my neighbor who gave it to me when she wanted a bigger car. Broke my heart when it was stolen 3 years later.

  140. Ex says:

    I got to go into Roger Penske’s shop in Reading, PA back in the day.
    The Indy Race League cars were hand-formed from carbon fiber. The whole underside was very slippery.

  141. Ex says:

    4:30 my first car was a 73 Mustang – many stories about that car!

  142. Bystander says:

    “A spattering of Trump flags… What you will see is some smoking hot women! Omg”

    .and dumb and gullible too..the best combo ever.

  143. Bystander says:

    Ed,

    Can I give you update on the Giants? They actually beat the Eagles…in a rare feat.

  144. 3b says:

    Ex: Me too on my 72 mustang. Still my favorite car!!

  145. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Problem is, you and others obsessively hate govt workers. Just own it. Admit what you think, that if you work for the govt, you are a loser and don’t work. Then you have the nerve to lecture me when I say corporate workers have plenty of slackers too.

    Take your own advice that you give me.

    3b says:
    December 2, 2021 at 4:08 pm
    Crushed: Who cares? What you want a DMV clerk that’s professional and pleasant? That’s asking too much, someone said that. Public sector workers shall not be criticized in any manner; it’s part of the doctrine.

  146. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Corporate workers shall not be criticized in any manner; it’s part of the doctrine.

  147. Ex says:

    I actually hate everyone, not just government workers…..:)

  148. BRT says:

    Everyone in Argentina has become a millionaire twice

  149. Fast Eddie says:

    Can I give you update on the Giants? They actually beat the Eagles…in a rare feat.

    I see that. I understand it was an offensive explosion on both sides of the ball. lol. Years ago, this would have been a big deal as for Giants fans, the Eagles are hated beyond belief. Now? For me? Meh. Perhaps I will return when players feel obligated and responsible instead of privileged and deserving.

  150. Fast Eddie says:

    Penske is heavily involved in open wheel and stock cars. As a side, I’m not a huge fan of F1 though I know it’s got a dedicated global following.

  151. Juice Box says:

    Ooopps Omicron in NYC?

  152. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Ex,

    That’s a cool share with nascar. Used to love Jeff Gordon. Guy was unstoppable at his peak.

  153. 3b says:

    Pumps: Never have I ever said corporate workers should not be criticized. I note again self awareness on our part you have repeatedly said over the last year and a half or so, that people who work from are a bunch of losers, don’t shower, have BS check the box jobs, are a bunch of social misfits and outcasts, will never be promoted and all sorts of other statements you have made.

    Yet, some of us today criticized public sector workers and noted valid examples and you defended and rationalized every example away. So like I said doctrine.

  154. BRT says:

    You are referencing PE ratio of companies with no earnings as if that metric improved

  155. grim says:

    Man, I go heads down working for a couple hours and I come up to omicron central on the news.

    Phil Murphy said we didn’t need to do anything special.

  156. Juice Box says:

    Yup Anime NYC convention at the Javits those weirdos probably screwing around…

  157. Libshitito says:

    I hope those big eyed cartoon characters were worth it.

  158. BRT says:

    This is the same guy that said playgrounds weren’t safe in 100 degree July weather with 300 cases per day.

  159. Juice Box says:

    animenyc event was a vax only event with masks required. I wonder how many had fake vaccine cards? 50%? Perusing the tweets and pic from the event lots of young adults who seem very care free as in I don’t give a s#%t….not wearing masks etc. Some twitter feeds are really bad too these young women have no respect for themselves…

    Apparently over 50,000 attended from all over.

  160. grim says:

    Flew in, flew out, what a clusterfuck.

  161. Juice Box says:

    Overcrowding for 4 hours to get into the Javitz, as they were checking covid vaccine cards to get the wristband.

    https://wegotthiscovered.com/anime/cold-weather-and-long-lines-plague-anime-nycs-return/

  162. Ex says:

    5:25 I think a lot of the performance technology in cars gets its start in F1 .

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