Repossessions spike? REPOSSESSIONS SPIKE?!?!?!?!

More like “as repossessions finally begin moving from a grinding halt” (and that this is GOOD NEWS)… From the Star Ledger:

N.J. foreclosure rate again ranks among top in U.S. as repossessions spike

While the number of homes entering the foreclosure process in New Jersey fell in August from a year ago, data released on Thursday shows that overall foreclosure activity still rose in the state because of a big spike in bank repossessions.

The state’s foreclosure rate again ranked near the top in the country last month, according to report from the Irvine, Calif.-based housing firm RealtyTrac. Only Nevada and Maryland posted higher rates in August.

More than 2,760 properties in New Jersey started the foreclosure process in August, a 38 percent decrease from a year ago. But, meanwhile, nearly 1,800 properties in New Jersey were repossessed by lenders last month. That’s an increase of 295 percent from a year ago, according to the RealtyTrac data.

Overall one in every 539 housing units in New Jersey had a foreclosure filing in August, the third highest rate in the country. New Jersey, which has a judicial foreclosure process, has consistently ranked near or at the top in the country for its foreclosure rate in recent reports.

Among New Jersey’s counties, Cumberland County posted the highest foreclosure rate in August, followed by Atlantic and Sussex counties, the RealtyTrac report shows.

Though foreclosure activity fell 5 percent in August from a year ago in Atlantic City, that region still had the highest foreclosure rate among metro areas with a population of at least 200,000.

One in every 307 housing units in the Atlantic City area had a foreclosure filing in August, according to RealtyTrac. That is nearly four times the U.S. average.

Trenton posted the second-highest metro foreclosure rate in August, with filings on one in every 384 housing units.

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136 Responses to Repossessions spike? REPOSSESSIONS SPIKE?!?!?!?!

  1. grim says:

    From the Record:

    NJ adds 13,600 jobs in August; unemployment rate drops to 5.7%

    In a reversal from employment losses earlier in the summer, New Jersey added 13,600 jobs in August, state labor officials said Thursday. The unemployment rate fell to a seven-year low of 5.7 percent from 5.9 percent, though it is still higher than the national rate of 5.1 percent.

    The state Department of Labor report also revised July’s job numbers, from an original reported loss of 13,600 to a loss of 10,500. That drop followed the loss of 12,500 jobs in June.

    “There’s near-term good news, but in the broader scheme of things, New Jersey continues to lag national performance,” said Patrick O’Keefe, an economist with CohnReznick in New York and Roseland. New Jersey has replaced about 68 percent of the 258,000 jobs lost in the recession; by contrast, the nation as a whole had recovered all the lost jobs by June 2014.

    New Jersey is experiencing slow economic growth for several reasons, O’Keefe said.

    “New Jersey is a mature state and an expensive place to do business and an expensive place to live,” he said. While the state’s unemployment rate dropped in August, he added, it’s because “people quit looking for work, not because they found it.” The state’s labor force participation rate – which consists of workers and people looking for work – is at its lowest point since 1983, he said.

    Charles Steindel, the state’s former chief economist under Governor Christie, said the dramatic swing from steep job losses in June and July to a big jump in August may be partly the result of statistical issues, including seasonal adjustments. From January through August, the state has added only 8,000 jobs, but from last August, the state has added more than 35,000 jobs – a pace similar to the annual job gains seen in 2013 and 2014. Steindel expects the state to add about 40,000 jobs this year, a growth rate of about 1 percent.

    “Obviously, that’s not rapid growth, and it lags the nation, but it is growth,” said Steindel, who is a resident scholar at the Anisfield School of Business at Ramapo College. Last year, the state added 35,500 jobs.

    Jobs were added in August in professional and business services (4,600), leisure and hospitality (3,600), education and health services (2,100), financial activities (1,800), manufacturing (1,200), construction (600) and other services (500).

    The trade, transportation and utilities sector lost 500 jobs and information and government each shed 200.

  2. grim says:

    From NJ Spotlight:

    INTERACTIVE MAP: ABOUT 25% OF NJ RESIDENTS FACING SERIOUS ECONOMIC HARDSHIP

    New measures of wealth and poverty indicate economic conditions finally began improving for New Jersey’s families last year, but the state was still worse off than it was at the start of the decade.

    The U.S. Census Bureau’s 2014 American Community Survey (which includes a host of information, including health insurance data, commuting patterns and education levels), reported that median household income in New Jersey rose by about $1,000, or a little more than 1 percent, between 2013 and 2014 to $71,919 and the proportion of people in poverty essentially leveled off at 11.1 percent.

    Still, income was 2 percent less than in 2010 when adjusted for inflation and about 7 percent behind the previous high median income in 2008, early in the recession.

    And the percentage of New Jerseyans living in poverty remained higher than any year in the past decade except for 2013, when the rate was 11.4 percent. According to the data, the .3 percent difference between the 2013 and 2014 rates is not statistically significant.

    “We can at least say it hasn’t gotten worse,” said Melville D. Miller, president of Legal Services of New Jersey, whose Poverty Research Institute tracks wealth and poverty in the state. “That is, on the one hand, a welcome sign.”

  3. D-FENS says:

    Did you see the lead article on Bloomberg yesterday?

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2015-09-17/scorching-year-continues-with-hottest-summer-on-record

    chicagofinance says:

    September 17, 2015 at 5:01 pm

    Am I whacked? Carly Fiorina does a pretty solid job of responding to Katie Couric here, but this liberal website shreds the performance. This link was posted to Facebook and subsequently Liked by people who aren’t idiots, but I am thinking what am I missing? Are people completely ignorant about global warming……oh I mean “climate change” because the globe is no longer warming……
    Don’t just read the page….watch the You Tube video…..

  4. grim says:

    That bar chart in the Bloomberg piece is very interesting.

    Spike since 1970?

    That’s essentially the kickoff of the “green” revolution. Clean Air Act, Earth Day, etc etc.

    So what we are saying is despite the massive environmental changes that the US has made since the 1970s, all of that has been worthless? Meaningless? Not only hasn’t it had an impact, but is it possible that it’s actually making things worse?

    So 45 years or widespread, massive environmental changes, and we get … zip? It doesn’t even make a dent, a wiggle, anything.

    If all the work done in the past 45 years has amounted to nothing, there is no hope, none. What evidence is there that stronger environmental regulations/protections in the United States will amount to anything material at all? I don’t know if there is.

  5. D-FENS says:

    `West Polluted World’ for 150 Years, and India Says It Won’t Pay

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-17/-west-polluted-world-for-150-years-and-india-says-it-won-t-pay

    “You made the mess — you clean it up” may well be India’s attitude at the coming international climate-change talks in Paris.
    “It’s the West which has polluted the world for the last 150 years with cheap energy,” Indian Power Minister Piyush Goyal said in an interview. “I can’t tell the people of India that we’ll burden you with high costs because the West has polluted the world, now India will pay for it. Not acceptable to us.”
    Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government has sent mixed signals about its stance toward climate change, adopting aggressive targets for adopting renewable energy while at the same time pointing the finger of blame at richer nations for causing global warming.
    Indian officials coordinating climate policy have met with their U.S. and Chinese counterparts in recent weeks to discuss the December talks in Paris, and India has said it will make a pledge in the near future for how it will act under the deal that is due to emerge. It isn’t clear whether India will commit to a date to start rolling back greenhouse gas emissions, and U.S. officials have said they don’t expect such a pledge from India this year.
    “India doesn’t take responsibility for the problems that the world is facing because of thermal coal,” Goyal said in the interview in New Delhi Sept. 8. “Our pollution out of carbon emissions is still very, very low compared to the world.”
    Fourth-Largest Emitter
    India is the fourth-largest emitter of carbon dioxide, behind China, the U.S. and the European Union. India emitted about 2 billion tons of carbon dioxide in 2014, according to the BP Statistical Review of World Energy. That is about one quarter the amount of China and one third the amount of the U.S

  6. grim says:

    My comment about making things worse is based on this:

    http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GISSTemperature/giss_temperature4.php

    The focus on particulate emissions without corresponding focus on greenhouse gas emissions seem to be the most plausible “smoking gun”. By removing aerosol and particulate emissions, we reversed the “solar dimming”, and are now seeing the result of that… I had 3 cups of coffee this morning, this qualifies me as a climatologist.

    While the benefits were undoubtedly positive. The error in approach appears to have been a “huge f*cking mistake”. By cleaning up A and not B, we appear to have made global warming worse. Those unintended consequences are always pesky,

  7. D-FENS says:

    I’m not sure India has any real shot at becoming more energy “efficient”….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGE2tXiGZu4

    How can we expect a developing nation to become more efficient when they have trouble keeping the power on in the first place?

  8. grim says:

    What will be interesting is to see if they leapfrog other energy efficient forms of lighting like fluorescent and halide, and move right to LED. We’ll see the death of fluorescent lighting in the next few years, which is absolutely amazing.

  9. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Article makes me sad. How can you deny climate change based on the stats, yet that’s exactly what some people are doing. The climate is nothing like when I was growing up in Jersey. The season are all screwed up. I’m seeing more drought like weather combined with insane downpours when the rain finally comes. We have to realize as a race, that we are changing the world we live in. Our actions have consequences, and we should screw profit and act in the self preservation of our planet’s climate, so that it suits the conditions we need to live. Profit shouldn’t come before survival, but that’s what is exactly happening all over the world. Insanity, it really is. Just look at how much humans changed the world in the past 400 years(how many species became extinct, how many landscapes/ecosystems totally changed by our actions), and you are going to tell me that our actions have no impact on the climate? Are you insane?

    D-FENS says:
    September 18, 2015 at 7:32 am
    Did you see the lead article on Bloomberg yesterday?

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2015-09-17/scorching-year-continues-with-hottest-summer-on-record

    chicagofinance says:

    September 17, 2015 at 5:01 pm

    Am I whacked? Carly Fiorina does a pretty solid job of responding to Katie Couric here, but this liberal website shreds the performance. This link was posted to Facebook and subsequently Liked by people who aren’t idiots, but I am thinking what am I missing? Are people completely ignorant about global warming……oh I mean “climate change” because the globe is no longer warming……
    Don’t just read the page….watch the You Tube video…..

  10. joyce says:

    Well put

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    September 17, 2015 at 10:59 pm
    This is crazy. This economist follows my same line of thinking on the economy. This is insane.

  11. A Home Buyer says:

    9 – Troll

    Are you personally willing to surrender Netflix, Smart Phones, Air Conditioning, Non-Work related computers, low gas prices, cheap vehicles, cheap air travel, next day delivery, yearly vacations, and non-essential plastics (just to name a few completely extravagent consumer-isms) to save the environment?

  12. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Hell yea! Not even a question. Do you really need those things or do you really need a planet with a certain type of climate to survive? What do those things below have to do with survival?

    A Home Buyer says:
    September 18, 2015 at 9:10 am
    9 – Troll

    Are you personally willing to surrender Netflix, Smart Phones, Air Conditioning, Non-Work related computers, low gas prices, cheap vehicles, cheap air travel, next day delivery, yearly vacations, and non-essential plastics (just to name a few completely extravagent consumer-isms) to save the environment?

  13. chicagofinance says:

    You capture the argument perfectly and it is Fiorina’s point (not that I am endorsing her, I just thought her performance was quite credible). In short, just to argue that climate change is not our first priority, or not even in the top 3 0r 4 does not define you as a climate denier. But more important, we can turn California or the U.S. into an economic pretzel to appease the best impulses of the public, but it in the end, it is a waste of time, because #1 you can’t even assume it will work; #2 even if it works, you can’t assume meaningful impact……so you pat yourself on the back for being a good earthling, but you are an idiot wasting time and resources while the Chinese and other who don’t give a sh!t are going to rip us a new one…..

    grim says:
    September 18, 2015 at 7:43 am
    That bar chart in the Bloomberg piece is very interesting.

    Spike since 1970?

    That’s essentially the kickoff of the “green” revolution. Clean Air Act, Earth Day, etc etc.

    So what we are saying is despite the massive environmental changes that the US has made since the 1970s, all of that has been worthless? Meaningless? Not only hasn’t it had an impact, but is it possible that it’s actually making things worse?

    So 45 years or widespread, massive environmental changes, and we get … zip? It doesn’t even make a dent, a wiggle, anything.

    If all the work done in the past 45 years has amounted to nothing, there is no hope, none. What evidence is there that stronger environmental regulations/protections in the United States will amount to anything material at all? I don’t know if there is.

  14. Libturd in Union says:

    NJ RESIDENTS FACING SERIOUS HARDSHIP – From reading the lunatic rants from Blumpkin.

    As for the weather changes…it all depends on where you live. Additionally, weather changes in short, medium and long-term patterns. It is not as random as we want it to be. Jumping to conclusions based on what you witness outside your kitchen window reveals ignorance to science and meteorology. It’s funny too. Scientists like to claim that humans are responsible for warming the planet. Yet most meteorologists will tell you that climate change is most likely a natural phenomenon. Their opinion is based on the actual study of weather anomolies which have been occurring since the beginning of time. If you think “our” weather has been weird lately. You should read about some of the winters during the 1870s and 1880s in New York. There was one winter where winds combined with one the biggest blizzards on record left snowdrifts 30 feet high. I wonder what humans did to cause this?

  15. A Home Buyer says:

    13 – Troll

    So would I, and in in many cases I have already.

    What level of confidence do you place in your ability to convince others in the NYC metro area to do the same?

  16. Anon E. Moose says:

    Gourd [90, prev thread]

    Put down the pipe, dude.

    4. Massive immigration starting in the 70′s.

    Maybe if you mean the 1870’s, when immigrants replaced the slave trade. If you mean to tell me that there was a “massive” immigration spike in the 1970’s… well… Go back to your bong and let the grown ups talk.

  17. Libturd in Union says:
  18. Libturd in Union says:

    And while you are at it…what caused the original ice age? Killed the dinosaurs? Etc?

  19. grim says:

    Add an environmental tariff on imports and services provided from countries that don’t have as stringent environmental regulations as ours.

    Use all the import taxes on environmental programs here in the US, as an offset to their pollution.

    So they can either choose to make improvements at home, or we’ll charge them for their lack of, and make more improvements here.

    This seems fair, no?

  20. Libturd in Union says:

    Chi…I’ve pointed a similar thing out to countless Prius drivers. Their desire to use less gas results in the cost of gas going down for everyone else which results in more gas being used by everyone since it’s cheaper. Then there is the question about the environmental damage caused by the creation of those huge batteries which hybrids require and their disposal and need for early replacement. The only environment you are helping by driving a Prius is Akio Toyoda’s.

  21. grim says:

    19 – Check out the data graphs on solar dimming, you’ll see the most massive events in recent history have been as a result of non-human activities (volcanic eruption specifically). In fact, everything we’ve done has been a minor blip in comparison to the volcanos.

    Like this one:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aerosol_dimming.jpg

  22. Libturd in Union says:

    Hurry…raise those interest rates.

  23. grim says:

    21 – Agree – the best way to make energy efficient cars is to roll back the safety standards so that you can sell a 1,600 pound car again.

  24. Libturd in Union says:

    Grim…that’s the meteorologists most common argument as well. I read a lot of weather forums as I’ve always been fascinated by weather. I used to have a weather radio and listened to it for hours on end as a kid. Especially on snow nights. Most of the weather experts argue that volcanic eruptions caused the ice age and the end of the dinosaur. We could all stop burning fossil fuels and it wouldn’t matter compared with a few Mt. St. Helens.

  25. grim says:

    1980s Civic FE models could do 41mpg city and 59 highway, and were reasonably drivable with 70hp I4 engines.

    It weighed less than 1,600 lbs. New Civic Hybrid weighs in at a scale tipping 2,900 pounds – that’s nearly double the weight.

    Put a modern engine in a lightweight civic chassis and you would probably get 75mpg or better on a fairly reasonable/straightforward internal combustion. Add in a good transmission and you’d likely see even better drivability. A 1980s Honda isn’t all that much slower 0-60 than a current model hybrid.

  26. joyce says:

    It does. And this may be off topic but we also need tariffs on goods/services from countries with actual or effective slave labor. This and the environmental tariff need to be standard across the board and not carve out exception/protections for certain special interests. And with that, I’m done dreaming for today.

    grim says:
    September 18, 2015 at 9:34 am
    Add an environmental tariff on imports and services provided from countries that don’t have as stringent environmental regulations as ours.

    Use all the import taxes on environmental programs here in the US, as an offset to their pollution.

    So they can either choose to make improvements at home, or we’ll charge them for their lack of, and make more improvements here.

    This seems fair, no?

  27. 1987 Condo says:

    It has always been volcanos, it will always be volcanos and unless we have some grand plan to handle that, the rest won’t matter much. Regardless, we should try to limit waste, conserve resources and not pollute. To think, though, that our actions in the US will matter vs the big 3: India, china and Mother Nature..is a bit pollyanna-ish

  28. Pete says:

    “Yet most meteorologists will tell you that climate change is most likely a natural phenomenon.”

    You always drop this line, but I don’t know where you get that from.

    Also, weather and climate are different areas of study. Not sure why you give more credence to meteorologists reading of climate data than climate scientists themselves.

  29. Statler Waldorf says:

    In case you were wondering why Morristown store signs are not in English…

    ‘Stacking’ prompts Morristown man to sell his house

    Sep 17 2015 02:46PM EDT

    Greg Bruen has had enough. This Morristown resident is selling his house and moving out. He’s even painting signs and displaying them on his lawn to tell the world why.

    Illegal immigrants are living 30 to a house in his neighborhood.

    http://www.my9nj.com/chasing-news/20908463-story

  30. Juice Box says:

    Anyone here think solar UV output isn’t variable?

  31. Ragnar says:

    Industrial progress and cheap energy is the primary means of increasing human survival. Advanced humans know how to relocate and adjust to the ever-changing environment, much better than primitive humans. Anyone who thinks they can stop the environment from changing is likely to be disappointed. This is why humans once migrated by walking from Siberia to Alaska, and then down into what’s now the US. Adjusting to an ever-changing environment.

  32. Statler Waldorf says:

    NJ was covered in glacial ice numerous in the past, and will be covered in ice again. A concept of “Climate Constant” has never existed on this planet, and it never will.

  33. Libturd in Union says:

    Pete…simply an observation I’ve witnessed on meteoroligists forums. I don’t claim to be an expert.

    Don’t take me too seriously. Do to a keen interest in psychology and marketing, I am always stuck looking for the truth hidden below the bullsh1t. There’s so much noise in the world created to simply sell ads. I know I’m bouncing all over the place here, but one example of the lack of knowledge and intelligence in the masses is the poling results on Trump. The man inherited a healthy bounty. He made it grow exponentially by exploiting bankruptcy laws which essentially fleece the middle class. And he is running away with the red nomination by making outrageous statements which on the surface sound great, but just below it, are fatalistic. Let’s build a wall on the southern border of the US (and pay $10 for a head of lettuce and $200 for someone to mow your lawn).

    The point I am fruitlessly trying to make, is that there is still too much opinion and too little scientific fact behind the humans are causing climate change story. For example, one of the largest claims of proof for argument that global warming is speeding up were the disappearance of the polar ice shelfs. Of course, there was record growth in the past few years. But you don’t hear about it, since it doesn’t fit the narrative. The narrative which sells internet and newspaper ads.

    Personally, I care a lot less about what people believe than I do that they are not suckered. Humans are terrible herd animals. We want to conform. This desire is so strong that we have a tendency to accept things at their face value. That’s all I am trying to point out.

    Now I have to drive into the city to figure out how to create a color profile for an output device maintaining the largest color gamut I can but without turning blues into purples, which is the bane of printing with toner instead of ink. Gracol, take me away.

  34. grim says:

    Some kind of beautiful irony in the fact that where we drill for our oil (in the deserts, in the oceans) was once the lush jungles, swamps, and ocean bottoms necessary to create the biomass necessary for oil to be created (biogenic theory). And these climactic shifts happened hundreds of thousands of years before we even hit the stage.

  35. Libturd in Union says:

    I thought I was hired to manage people. Now I’m rapidly adding a fifth title…color fidelity expert. Oy vey.

  36. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Really? First, I didn’t come up with that, an economist from UMASS did. Second, he is dead right. How old are you? You don’t see the difference in the demographics of our country today as compared to the 70’s? Here is your proof.

    “FOURTH IMMIGRATION WAVE, AFTER 1965
    In 1965, passage of the federal Immigration and Nationality Act ended the system of quotas based on nationality. In their place was a new, far less restrictive quota system based on hemispheres. The new system permitted 120,000 immigrants per year from the Western Hemisphere and 170,000 from the Eastern Hemisphere. In 1978, even these quotas were replaced by a single, worldwide quota of 290,000 immigrants per year from all parts of the world. From 1992 to 1994, this figure was raised to 700,000 immigrants before being reduced to 675,000 in 1995. None of these quotas placed any limits on the numbers of immediate family members of U.S. citizens who could enter the country. As a consequence, the actual numbers of immigrants who entered the United States legally were higher than the quota figures.

    During the first decade of the twenty-first century, the United States was still in the midst of the largest wave of immigration in its history. One million immigrants entered the country legally every year. By the first decade of the twenty-first century, fully one-tenth of all residents of the United States were foreign born. In addition to these approximately 30 million legal immigrants in the country, the U.S. Census estimated that about 8.7 million immigrants were in the country illegally. Most new immigrants, both legal and illegal, were Hispanics fromMexico, the Caribbean, and Central America. Between 1990 and 2000, the Hispanic population of the United States increased 63 percent—from 22.4 million to 35.3 million residents. Indeed, the largest and longest-enduring movement of laborers between any two countries in the world has been from Mexico to the United States.”

    http://immigrationtounitedstates.org/603-immigration-waves.html

    Anon E. Moose says:
    September 18, 2015 at 9:28 am
    Gourd [90, prev thread]

    Put down the pipe, dude.

    4. Massive immigration starting in the 70′s.

    Maybe if you mean the 1870′s, when immigrants replaced the slave trade. If you mean to tell me that there was a “massive” immigration spike in the 1970′s… well… Go back to your bong and let the grown ups talk.

  37. xolepa says:

    Apparently, no one on this forum remembers (most likely, they weren’t even born) that in the 60s some summers were so damn hot, you couldn’t walk on the streets. There were many days that the temp reached about 105. I couldn’t walk on the streets with my sneakers because the tar and asphalt bubbled up and stuck to your shoes when you stepped on it.

    During the early seventies, though, winters were so cold here that you could skate on the frozen ponds for several months. Our high school kids had impromptu hockey games on the pond behind my church. This was in Somerset County. How many kids in Jersey now learned how to skate outdoors?

  38. The Great Pumpkin says:

    37- Yes, don’t tell me there hasn’t been immigration, when it has clearly been our biggest wave of immigration in the history of our country.

    “During the first decade of the twenty-first century, the United States was still in the midst of the largest wave of immigration in its history.”

  39. grim says:

    36 – Years back I worked on a fun project where we needed to laser a document twice – the first was printed than lasered by a print house (it was a paper document with a wax backing and membership card attached), and then we lasered on the personalization. Nobody thought to think that going through a hot fuser laser the second pass would be any sort of problem. We ended up having to bring an old Siemens chemical fused (cold fused) printer back to life out of scrap parts to print the job (I think it was a 2200). Not only were we losing the preprinted type, but the the fuser warmed the adhesive enough for the cards to come flying off as the rolls left the printer. Needless to say, we never bid for that kind of job again.

  40. Anon E. Moose says:

    Some light NJ reading:

    Belleville Among 100 Most Dangerous Towns In New Jersey

    PRM also on the list…

  41. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You also had normal change of seasons back then. We had a record this summer, most consecutive days with the temperature above 80 degrees in nj. I think it was like 65 straight days or something like that. Yes, you had extremely hot weather 50 years ago, but we are talking about the averages, and the trend line on the averages has been increasing dramatically.

    xolepa says:
    September 18, 2015 at 10:20 am
    Apparently, no one on this forum remembers (most likely, they weren’t even born) that in the 60s some summers were so damn hot, you couldn’t walk on the streets. There were many days that the temp reached about 105. I couldn’t walk on the streets with my sneakers because the tar and asphalt bubbled up and stuck to your shoes when you stepped on it.

    During the early seventies, though, winters were so cold here that you could skate on the frozen ponds for several months. Our high school kids had impromptu hockey games on the pond behind my church. This was in Somerset County. How many kids in Jersey now learned how to skate outdoors?

  42. Anon E. Moose says:

    Gourd [37];

    300,000 into a country of (then) 200,000,000 is a wave? It’s 0.15%. I know math is hard for leftists (that’s why they favor stealing money instead of earning it) but come on, man.

    And your piece says that the quotas were more than doubled in the early 1990s. How exactly does that play into the “1970’s wave” narrative? Your evidence is as incoherent as you are.

  43. Juice Box says:

    The Lefties now have a place they can move to and be happy.

    “Brazil’s Supreme Court on Thursday banned corporate contributions to political campaigns and parties”

  44. grim says:

    42 – You honestly believe you can make some sort of climate analysis based on your own anecdotal remembrances about the seasons growing up?

  45. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Isn’t the proof in the rapid rise of the avg temp of the air and ocean?

    Yes, the climate changes on it’s own, but isn’t it our jobs based on survival to do our best to understand this climate change and put lots of resources towards mitigating it? Ignoring it and saying it’s natural, is a childish view of the issue. Saying China or India will never change, so why should we, is even a more childish view of the issue.

    “The point I am fruitlessly trying to make, is that there is still too much opinion and too little scientific fact behind the humans are causing climate change story. For example, one of the largest claims of proof for argument that global warming is speeding up were the disappearance of the polar ice shelfs. Of course, there was record growth in the past few years. But you don’t hear about it, since it doesn’t fit the narrative. The narrative which sells internet and newspaper ads.”

  46. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You forgot the part where they have lots of kids.

    Anon E. Moose says:
    September 18, 2015 at 10:29 am
    Gourd [37];

    300,000 into a country of (then) 200,000,000 is a wave? It’s 0.15%. I know math is hard for leftists (that’s why they favor stealing money instead of earning it) but come on, man.

    And your piece says that the quotas were more than doubled in the early 1990s. How exactly does that play into the “1970′s wave” narrative? Your evidence is as incoherent as you are.

  47. Anon E. Moose says:

    Gourd [47];

    So do Americans. And immigrants’ kids have fewer kids as they become more affluent (i.e., more American).

    Listen, 0.15% isn’t a wave, its a ripple. Much like your childhood memories (last week?) don’t make climate change a crisis.

    I’ll believe global warming is a crisis when the UN has their meetings by teleconference and Obama stops flying his personal 747 across entire continents for photo ops.

  48. D-FENS says:

    Dinosaur Farts.

    Libturd in Union says:
    September 18, 2015 at 9:31 am
    And while you are at it…what caused the original ice age? Killed the dinosaurs? Etc?

  49. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Jeez, the wave started in the 70’s, it doesn’t mean it stopped in the 70’s, it only picked up more steam.

    “And your piece says that the quotas were more than doubled in the early 1990s. How exactly does that play into the “1970′s wave” narrative? Your evidence is as incoherent as you are.”

  50. [3] I don’t know what kind of climate change bubble we live in in Boston, but this was not a hot Summer at all up here. Since buying our place in 2002 our experience has been about 1 out of 3 Summers it never stays hot enough long enough for us to put our window A/C units in. This is the very first time we’ve left the A/C units in the closet for two consecutive Summers. We do live about 50 feet above a reservoir, so that helps.

  51. Alex says:

    Dumbkin is always eager for ways to seperate himself from his money.

    Whether it’s ever higher property taxes or climate change schemes.

  52. phoenix says:

    20 Grim.
    Excellent idea. Till you get to this:

    “Use all the import taxes on environmental programs here in the US, as an offset to their pollution. ”

    Great in theory. Ripe for theft and diversion.
    Until white collar crime sentences equal drug possession sentences the money would just be diverted into a “connected” persons pocket….

  53. grim says:

    The other factor to consider is urbanization and the impact on the micro-climate.

    The increased temperatures as a result of paving over much of the northeast corner of the state is pretty obvious.

    30 years ago we weren’t talking about the urban heat island effect. What might of been semi-rural 30 years ago is now nearly urban. 75 years ago, NYC residents were heading out to rural Jersey to escape of oppressive urban heat. They stayed, we built, now the oppressive urban heat stretches further than it previously had.

    http://www.epa.gov/heatisld/about/index.htm

    We shouldn’t mistake this for global warming.

    In contrast, atmospheric urban heat islands are often weak during the late morning and throughout the day and become more pronounced after sunset due to the slow release of heat from urban infrastructure. The annual mean air temperature of a city with 1 million people or more can be 1.8–5.4°F (1–3°C) warmer than its surroundings.3 On a clear, calm night, however, the temperature difference can be as much as 22°F (12°C).4

  54. grim says:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21114000

    We found that the rate of increase in the annual number of EHEs between 1956 and 2005 in the most sprawling metropolitan regions was more than double the rate of increase observed in the most compact metropolitan regions.

  55. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Okay, and who is responsible for this change? Human activity.

    grim says:
    September 18, 2015 at 11:17 am
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21114000

    We found that the rate of increase in the annual number of EHEs between 1956 and 2005 in the most sprawling metropolitan regions was more than double the rate of increase observed in the most compact metropolitan regions.

  56. grim says:

    56 – Solution is to tear your house down, let us know when you are done.

  57. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You can’t honestly sit here and tell me that our actions have no impact on this planet. That’s crazy talk. How can you guys seriously believe this? You think it’s a scheme to get your money? People are dedicating their life to an issue that is nothing more than a scheme to take your money?

  58. joyce says:

    “People are dedicating their life to an issue that is nothing more than a scheme to take your money”

    Best description for a politician ever

  59. chicagofinance says:

    It is not black and white…..it is more of a so what? Fine….humans are wrecking the earth….#1 are the gizmos that are being pitched to us effective? #2 even if they work as advertised (i.e. global warming IS happening, WILL affect us very soon, and the gizmos WILL STOP the problem), when we bend ourselves into a pretzel our other countries going to fck us into the ground…..

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    September 18, 2015 at 11:26 am
    You can’t honestly sit here and tell me that our actions have no impact on this planet. That’s crazy talk. How can you guys seriously believe this? You think it’s a scheme to get your money? People are dedicating their life to an issue that is nothing more than a scheme to take your money?

  60. HeHateMe says:

    I am a huge huge beach lover. This summer was first summer ever it would be a weekend and 90 and sunny and I would skip the beach. Why it was like that every day. Normally, rainy, cloudy or cool days happen and a beach day was something rare.

    I actually went to the beach in August on a 90 degree sunny day at 10 am and parking lot was empty and so was beach. It was like day 9 in a row of that so folks stopped coming as much. I have never seen that before.

    Jones beach which has no attraction other than beach had the most attendance in history this summer. Basically every day was a beach day.

    The Great Pumpkin says:

    September 18, 2015 at 10:26 am

    You also had normal change of seasons back then. We had a record this summer, most consecutive days with the temperature above 80 degrees in nj. I think it was like 65 straight days or something like that. Yes, you had extremely hot weather 50 years ago, but we are talking about the averages, and the trend line on the averages has been increasing dramatically.

    xolepa says:
    September 18, 2015 at 10:20 am
    Apparently, no one on this forum remembers (most likely, they weren’t even born) that in the 60s some summers were so damn hot, you couldn’t walk on the streets. There were many days that the temp reached about 105. I couldn’t walk on the streets with my sneakers because the tar and asphalt bubbled up and stuck to your shoes when you stepped on it.

    During the early seventies, though, winters were so cold here that you could skate on the frozen ponds for several months. Our high school kids had impromptu hockey games on the pond behind my church. This was in Somerset County. How many kids in Jersey now learned how to skate outdoors?

  61. Libturd in Union says:

    ChiFi…the other country issue is really the big one. There are cities in China where the smog is so bad that everyone wears surgical masks at all times, except when eating. But recycle your cans and paper.

  62. Libturd in Union says:

    Weather works in patterns. Rain begets rain and sun begets sun. An extended dry period is not uncommon nor is an extended wet period. If it doesn’t rain for multiple years, then you are in the realm of an anomaly. But a summer with little rain is really not that much of an outlier.

    If you want to learn about weather…follow these guys for a full year. You might even be lucky enough to have lunch with Sam Champion. :P

    http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php?/forum/11-new-york-cityphiladelphia-metro/

  63. D-FENS says:

    I for one cannot wait for global warming. I can’t take another winter like the last two.

  64. D-FENS says:

    I did…growing up in the 80’s and 90’s.

    “How many kids in Jersey now learned how to skate outdoors?”

  65. Libturd in Union says:

    And as my brother likes to say. Global warming is good for global farming!

  66. nwnj4Trump says:

    Turd(from last thread), what’s the british airways avios deal? 50k with sign up or are they offering 100k again?

  67. joyce says:

    “Imagine if all law enforcement shut down for just 1 day. There would be murders, rapes, robberies, you name it. America wake up, all of you black, white, Mexican whatever you need the police, we do not need you.” – the now former Surf City, NC Police Chief Mike Halstead

    http://wncn.com/2015/09/15/black-lives-matter-post-leads-to-nc-police-chiefs-retirement/

  68. Libturd in Union says:

    They changed it a bit, but it’s fairly similar.

    50K points for 2K in spending for 2 months
    25K points more for 1oK in 1 year
    25K points more for 20K in 1 year

    Free companion reward ticket (matches in all classes/good for 2 years) for 30K in 1 year in addition to miles.

    So spend 30K on one card and get 130K in miles and one first class match. If your partner gets a card…double it.

    AA is 75K roundtrip to Honolulu. With some luck in scheduling FFM, fly whole family roundtrip in first class for cost of taxes on 4 tickets. Still have enough to fly whole family to west coast twice afterwards in first.

    Technically, I’d be giving up the $1,200 cash back I would have earned on my regular 2% cards with $60k in spending.

    $1200 vs. two trips for 4 in first class to west coast and Hawaii? I know which offer I would be picking.

    I priced out same itineraries and it’s $30K worth of travel but you would have $1,800 in taxes.

    So 60K in spending yields 28.2K in first class travel. Not a bad bang for your spending buck.

  69. Libturd in Union says:

    Another familiar name in the Montclair crime record.

    After an investigation, police arrested Rueben Moore, 25, of Montclair, and charged him with aggravated assault and multiple weapons offenses.

    His bail was set at $50,000.

    In three years, he has been picked up for robbery/assault, drug and weapons charges and now another weapons charge. Anyone want to guess what street he lives on?

  70. 1987 Condo says:

    Woops….

    The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency on Friday accused Volkswagen AG’s VOW, -3.30% Volkwagen and Audi divisions of violating the Clean Air Act, alleging the German car maker equipped certain diesel cars sold in the U.S. with software that circumvented emissions standards. The allegations cover 482,000 cars sold since 2008, including Jettas, Beetles, Audis A3 and Golfs model years 2009 to 2015 and Passats model years 2014 and 2015. The software detected when the cars were undergoing official emissions testing and turned out full emission controls only during the test, not during normal driving conditions. Such cars would emit pollutants at up to 40 times the standard, the EPA said. The EPA said owners of the cars affected need to take “no immediate action” at this time, and that the cars are safe and legal to drive despite having emissions that exceed standards. Volkswagen Group of America Inc. could not immediately be reached for comment. Since civil penalties for each car in violation run about $35,500, Volkswagen could be on hook for more than $17 billion in penalties plus other fines.

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/epa-volkswagen-cheated-on-emissions-standards-2015-09-18

  71. phoenix says:

    72.
    The Corporation attempts to compare the way corporations are systematically compelled to behave with what it claims are the DSM-IV‍ ’​s symptoms of psychopathy, e.g., the callous disregard for the feelings of other people, the incapacity to maintain human relationships, the reckless disregard for the safety of others, the deceitfulness (continual lying to deceive for profit), the incapacity to experience guilt, and the failure to conform to social norms and respect the law.

  72. phoenix says:

    Don’t get me wrong, this does not mean I believe the govt or the public sector is not just as capable or willing to do the same things…..

    Which is why there are quotas.
    Which is why politicians take corporate money..

  73. phoenix says:

    However, to solve these types of things require imprisonment. Fines are useless against white collar crime. Put the top 5 execs of VW in prison and you will see the changes begin to happen. Not.

  74. D-FENS says:

    Seems like the EPA is hellbent on making diesel passenger vehicles illegal in the US.

  75. The Great Pumpkin says:

    This is why there are boom and bust cyles with the rain. It’s extreme, and it’s all due to the warming.

    “Several cities in both states broke records for the most consecutive days with rain, as well as for daily and hourly records, with several inches falling in just a matter of hours in some places, leading to serious flash flooding.

    Both climate models and the basic physics of the atmosphere show that such highly concentrated bursts of rain are something the world on the whole will see more of in the future. As the atmosphere warms because of the increasing heat trapped by accumulating greenhouse gases, the air can hold on to more moisture. So when it rains, there’s more fuel to throw on the fire, so to speak.

    “I think everyone’s pretty much in agreement with that,” Murphy said.

    This effect of warming has already been observed across the U.S. The trend has been most pronounced in the Northeast, which has seen a 71 percent uptick since 1958 in heavy precipitation events, according to the National Climate Assessment released last year, but it has also been observed in the Plains, where such events have increased by 16 percent. A new Climate Central analysis of heavy precipitation trends across the U.S. shows that over the past 65 years, Texas as a whole has seen a 20 percent increase in the heaviest 1 percent of rain events, while Oklahoma has had little discernable trend. The numbers for individual cities are much starker: McAllen, Texas, has seen a 700 percent increase in heavy downpours over that time, while Tulsa has seen an 83 percent increase.

    But climate models also suggest that the region could see more consecutive days with no precipitation, up to five more days a year by mid-century, according to the NCA. Longer dry spells can lead to increased odds of drought developing.”

    http://www.climatecentral.org/news/texas-future-drought-heavy-rains-19076

    Libturd in Union says:
    September 18, 2015 at 12:04 pm
    Weather works in patterns. Rain begets rain and sun begets sun. An extended dry period is not uncommon nor is an extended wet period. If it doesn’t rain for multiple years, then you are in the realm of an anomaly. But a summer with little rain is really not that much of an outlier.

    If you want to learn about weather…follow these guys for a full year. You might even be lucky enough to have lunch with Sam Champion. :P

    http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php?/forum/11-new-york-cityphiladelphia-metro/

  76. phoenix says:

    I’m no scientist but I believe there is a finite amount of fossil fuel. So you have to come up with something better. A Prius has a much smaller battery than an EV, so in theory it should have less toxic waste. It still burns gas. All it does is recover wasted braking energy and give it back. Works best in stop and go traffic.
    The road forward is not always as smooth as it seems.
    Also, if we are so worried about the environment, there are plenty of other things we make/buy that create just as much toxicity and serve no useful purpose at all except to fill our overinflated ego’s.

  77. Ragnar says:

    Libturd,
    The interesting thing is that in China it’s the government run and controlled industries that are amongst the most polluting. Which is why it’s also so easy for them to turn off the pollution a week or two ahead of foreign visitors showing up, when it would be too embarrassing to have their typical grey air.

    Individual rights and capitalism is the ultimate solution. Poverty is the worst source of pollution of all: outdoor latrines, burning wood for energy, horses for transport. That’s pollution that can really kill. Thanks to capitalism, that’s mostly gone. Though I don’t think zero pollution is the ideal either.

  78. The Great Pumpkin says:

    78- “As the atmosphere warms because of the increasing heat trapped by accumulating greenhouse gases, the air can hold on to more moisture. So when it rains, there’s more fuel to throw on the fire, so to speak.”

  79. Anon E. Moose says:

    Nothing to propel the NJRER to a 100-comment day like a healthy heaping helping of Pumpkin!

  80. phoenix says:

    I agree with Ragnar, capitalism is the ultimate solution, however, it needs a throttle.
    A throttle with real penalties.
    Financial for the most minor-very few cases.
    Jail for most penalties.
    Otherwise an accountant will be able to decide whether it is more cost effective to pollute vs a fine. You can rationally decide whether to commit a crime or not.
    Caught polluting- lock up the top 5 guys of a corporation for 10 years.
    Problem solved.

  81. A Home Buyer says:

    83 –

    I think penalties like this would ultimately solve the TBTF problems a well.

    Who would want to be criminally responsible for Billy Jane, a new hire employee 8 manager removed from you out in a satellite company recently acquired in Arkansas. I would think a lot more emphasis would be placed on whose working for you for who, and a massive organization may become a liability.

  82. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Exactly.

    phoenix says:
    September 18, 2015 at 1:54 pm
    I agree with Ragnar, capitalism is the ultimate solution, however, it needs a throttle.
    A throttle with real penalties.
    Financial for the most minor-very few cases.
    Jail for most penalties.
    Otherwise an accountant will be able to decide whether it is more cost effective to pollute vs a fine. You can rationally decide whether to commit a crime or not.
    Caught polluting- lock up the top 5 guys of a corporation for 10 years.
    Problem solved.

  83. jcer says:

    Here is the issue with climate change. The Climate “Scientists” haven’t come up with one accurate model yet, they are missing so many elements in their model we cannot determine the true impact of the increase in CO2. Chances are our emissions are exacerbating a climate pattern that is naturally occurring and not one model really accounts for solar variance or the type of feedback loop scenarios involving the ocean as a heat sink. Also in a real global warming scenario it will get colder in western Europe and the north eastern US because of the thermohaline conveyor slowing and a marked reduction in the size of the gulf stream. Let also not forget that at one time global warming was good, it marked the beginnings of western civilization(Expansion of the Roman empire) and the end of the dark ages and the beginning of a period of enlightenment. Warming at those times increased agricultural yields, they could grow fruit and make wine as far north as Britain. So it is important to remember global warming is still a theory and we do not fully comprehend the consequences or causes.

  84. grim says:

    AA is 75K roundtrip to Honolulu.

    More, 80k, but you’d be crazy to use those points for an Anytime ticket.

    AA Saver Off Peak – 35,000 rt
    AA Saver – 45,000 rt
    AA Anytime – 80,000 rt

    Or are you talking saver business class? Why bother? It’s nearly impossible to find too.

    By the way, AA dropped it’s partnership with Hawaiian – the points community feels that this will sharply curtail the availability of low points award mileage to Hawaii.

    You might want to consider the Carribean instead. Or, pay for a fare to LA and use the points to fly to Fiji.

  85. grim says:

    I’ve given up on trying to get award travel in business – it’s easy to find one seat, tough to get two, impossible to get 3 (yes I’ve flown my 2 year old in first class in her own seat many times). Are you putting the kids in steerage? I usually end up sitting in the back and let my wife sit up with my daughter.

    I particularly loved the time the little one was screaming in first class.

  86. grim says:

    Anyone want to guess what street he lives on?

    Mission?

  87. grim says:

    Hold on one second, VW cheated on Emissions.

    Isn’t that the point of every licensed “inspection facility” in NJ? I pay $75, you pass my car no questions asked?

    For years many shop owners tuition bills were funded by cheating emissions inspections, pretty obviously too.

  88. nwnj4Trump says:

    I’ll stick with cashback cards though I’m looking for a new one(preferably Visa) since Costco is getting rid of the Amex partnership. Amex has been offering me $200 statement credit to get another one of their cards that isn’t Costco branded.

    The travel points cards are generally too restrictive and I’ve found that they are far more useful for hotel stays than they are flights.

  89. Ragnar says:

    jcer,
    Good points.
    Sharply in contrast to today’s statists who say, “the science is settled forever, so you must now stop thinking about it and obey our commands, because we know everything that’s best”

  90. grim says:

    I haven’t paid for a personal flight in like 4 years. 3 of us just flew to Orlando on miles, and I’m currently sitting on points for 2 more united tickets and 4 aa tickets. I only use airline cards now.

  91. Ragnar says:

    If VW cheated, then they should get slammed with the full force of penalties. I hate the EPA regulations, but if all of their competitors invested billions to comply, and/or had to withhold product, then it’s totally unfair to not punish companies that don’t comply. Of course if it was GM it would probably all be settled with a handshake and the influence of labor union lobbyists.

  92. grim says:

    94 – How do you know the VW accusation wasn’t all settled by a handshake with the GM boys?

  93. Juice Box says:

    So they are saying recall 500,000 cars sold in the US over the last 6 years? Then reprogram them so they won’t pass inspection? Yikes good luck on selling that lemon on craigslist….

  94. Juice Box says:

    Wow Dolans are selling Cablevision, too bad they are keeping the Knicks and Rangers….

  95. 1987 Condo says:

    #97..maybe the French will also buy the Knicks….

  96. grim says:

    96 – I haven’t read, but this is too fishy.

    Engine computers are complex, what are and aren’t “emissions controls” isn’t so clear cut. We’re talking about dozens and dozens of 2 dimensional and 3 dimensional parameter tables for ignition, fuel, acceleration, barometric pressure, air temperature, coolant temperature, detonation, shift points, throttle position, transmission parameters, etc etc.

    Example – Get in your car, get on the highway, got WOT – Wide Open Throttle.

    Your car will begin to run significantly more rich than at idle or cruise speeds, timing will also be retarded as to reduce the potential for detonation.

    If you could install a sniffer in your tail pipe, you would not pass inspection.

    Your car would pollute, dramatically. Your car has “disabled emission controls” when you stepped on the gas in the manner that you did.

    You can see this with every small dicked vette driver as they go full throttle from stoplight to stoplight, you’ll see visible tailpipe emissions – which when you do, is a dead giveaway that the car will fail.

    A normal car might enable and disable systems all the time based on driving conditions, to provide the best blend of drivability, fuel economy, and emissions. What’s best for fuel economy, is not best for emissions. What’s more important, using less fuel or emitting less pollutants?

    If what VW did was to identify a situation where it should perform in a specific manner, as to provide the appropriate operation for the situation, it’s not a situation where anything is being bypassed. If we are talking about riding the car on rollers with a tailpipe sniffer – realize that this doesn’t represent, at all, a real-world scenario.

    My Subaru will disengage the air condition clutch when you go full throttle, to provide better performance. Cheating? Perhaps. Most people would have no idea. Perhaps we should class action Subaru because their 0-60 times are half a tenth misleading.

  97. Libturd at home says:

    Grim…It might be better to use Avios for American to Los Angeles and Alaska Airlines direct to final Island with points.

    Like you, I rarely pay for tickets. But I just keep doing credit card offers. The Southwest card is a good one too when they run it. But little out of Newark. I find if I schedule my flights midday out and return late at night at JFK, the drive takes about 40 minutes, which is hardly farther than EWR and the parking is way cheaper and super convenient. Also, tons of options flying from JFK compared to EWR. And much less delays there too.

  98. Libturd at home says:

    I used to manually turn off my air conditioning at every on ramp to a highway in my old Civic. It made a huge difference. You could literally feel the engine jump whenever you turned it off in 5th gear.

  99. grim says:

    I think pretty much every car today will disable the AC at full throttle, full load (towing under max load, but part throttle), or at high coolant temp thresholds (prevent overheat).

  100. Juice Box says:

    Question where is that second hand kitchen cabinet place?

  101. Grim says:

    RT46 in Fairfield – Green Demolitions

  102. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “For any subject, scientific consensus is normally achieved through communication at conferences, publication in the scientific literature, replication (reproducible results by others), and peer review. In the case of global warming, many governmental reports, the media in many countries, and environmental groups, have stated that there is virtually unanimous scientific agreement that human-caused global warming is real and poses a serious concern.[46][47][48] According to the United States National Research Council,

    [T]here is a strong, credible body of evidence, based on multiple lines of research, documenting that climate is changing and that these changes are in large part caused by human activities. While much remains to be learned, the core phenomenon, scientific questions, and hypotheses have been examined thoroughly and have stood firm in the face of serious scientific debate and careful evaluation of alternative explanations. * * * Some scientific conclusions or theories have been so thoroughly examined and tested, and supported by so many independent observations and results, that their likelihood of subsequently being found to be wrong is vanishingly small. Such conclusions and theories are then regarded as settled facts. This is the case for the conclusions that the Earth system is warming and that much of this warming is very likely due to human activities.[49]”

  103. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “A 2010 paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences analysed “1,372 climate researchers and their publication and citation data to show that (i) 97–98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field support the tenets of ACC outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and (ii) the relative climate expertise and scientific prominence of the researchers unconvinced of ACC are substantially below that of the convinced researchers”.[60][61] Judith Curry has said “This is a completely unconvincing analysis”, whereas Naomi Oreskes said that the paper shows that “the vast majority of working [climate] research scientists are in agreement [on climate change]… Those who don’t agree, are, unfortunately—and this is hard to say without sounding elitist—mostly either not actually climate researchers or not very productive researchers”.[61][62] Jim Prall, one of the coauthors of the study, acknowledged “it would be helpful to have lukewarm [as] a third category”.[61]”

  104. chicagofinance says:

    Pumpkin’s posts feel as if they generate greenhouse gases, but they are not spoken, just read……does steam out of one’s ears qualify as a greenhouse gas?

  105. chicagofinance says:

    smaller countries are great, because they show the effects of things in a purer and less noise ridden form…..“If you cut all the incentives overnight, sales will plummet,” ….I wonder if Musk says this to Obama…..

    FINNØY, Norway—When Arne Nordbø drove his electric car under the toll gantry and into the mouth of a tunnel leading to this small Norwegian island on a recent Monday, he couldn’t repress a chuckle.

    “They’ve just lost another $20,” said the Finnøy resident and occasional stand-up comedian.

    On the losing side of Mr. Nordbø’s commute are local municipalities, including Finnøy, which went into debt to dig the $70 million tunnel but charge no fee on electric cars because of national policies aimed at curbing carbon emissions.

    The incentive helped convince many islanders to shift to electric cars. The vehicles now account for about a quarter of tunnel traffic, and allow owners to dodge one of the heaviest toll burdens in the country.

    For the Finnøy mayor, however, the math looks awry.

    “That doesn’t work in the long term,” says Gro Skartveit, who doubles as chairwoman of the company operating the tunnel. “We won’t be able to pay down the tunnel.”

    To pay for a tunnel connecting a remote Norwegian island to the mainland, residents pay the highest road-tolls in the country, unless they drive an electric car.
    The fast-growing cohort of electric-car drivers—in Finnøy and across the country—is jamming Norway’s public finances.

    With a set of generous incentives, the Nordic nation has assembled one of the world’s largest garages of electric cars. In June, one in five new cars sold in Norway was electric, up from one in eight a year earlier.

    Now, authorities are worried the bill is becoming unsustainable. The government estimates it will lose over half a billion dollars in tax revenue on electric cars this year, while free parking and toll exemptions will cost tunnel, ferry and road operators another $40 million.

    Norway’s dilemma suggests the difficulty ahead for governments when they phase out well-meaning financial incentives—and the ripple effects they cause to electric-car sales.

    Christina Bu, secretary-general of the lobbying group Norwegian Electric Vehicle Association, said the 25,000-member association has been stalking political parties and government officials to ensure the main incentives remain in place, at least until 2020.

    “If you cut all the incentives overnight, sales will plummet,” she said.

    Weaning buyers from such purchase incentives could add new headwinds to sales of vehicles already undercut by cheap fuel prices in some markets. In the U.S., the state of Georgia halted its $5,000 tax credit on July 1. Electric cars were about 2% of purchases in the state in 2014, estimates Washington-based think tank Keybridge Research LLC. It forecasts a 90% decline, or 8,700 fewer sales annually, as a result of the loss.

  106. NJT says:

    Wifey and I were leisurely returning from my son’s ‘back to school’ night in our ‘plain Jane’ sedan last night when a brand new Corvette blew by us then stopped at the blinking light (RT. 519 in White Township/Belvidere) then made a HARD right putting smoke out in every gear. The sound actually hurt my ears. Wow.

    Miss that.

    The smell… that burnt rubber smell. Smelled like victory.

  107. Essex says:

    109. You reside in BFE.

  108. NJT says:

    Actually (re: BFE) no.

    Maybe a biblical flood night reach us but…I’m not religious.

    *Soon to be moving ever farther from the river (both of them).

  109. Ben says:

    The ice age is coming. The sun’s zoom in.

  110. Ben says:

    Dah…. Zoomin…damn autocorrect

  111. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Co2 traps heat. This isn’t a religion thing, this is a reality thing. This isn’t a models thing, this is a middle school science lab thing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

  112. leftwing says:

    Article in New York magazine this issue on warming.

    Not bad, and had one interesting observation touched on above. The quote is basically one they call a brutal moral logic – over the last century the wealthy developed countries have burned through the world’s carbon budget and there is almost nothing left. To shut down developing countries carbon emissions would have them shouldering the burden of averting climate change.

    Another interesting line of thought offsetting the above in there (not vouching for accuracy) is that the rapidly declining cost of alternate technologies may mean that developing countries could leapfrog over the carbon emission phase of development. Much as many of these countries have foregone landline infrastructure and gone straight to cellular. They peg solar as going from $101 per watt in 1975 to $0.61 today.

  113. Alex says:

    116-

    Pumpers,

    Take the time to read the youtube video comments, plenty of them debunking the simplistic experiment.

  114. Libturd at home says:

    No one claims that pollution is good. But the direct relationship between pollution and the recent heating is simply not proven.

    By the way, who pays for these climate scientists? I’m thinking most are paid by governments. Now if they didn’t find the atmosphere warming, would they even have any work? Scientific research can easily be manipulated too, much like with statistics.

  115. Alex says:

    119-

    Exactly.

  116. The Great Pumpkin says:

    119- Exxon’s Own Research Confirmed Fossil Fuels’ Role in Global Warming Decades Ago

    ” At a meeting in Exxon Corporation’s headquarters, a senior company scientist named James F. Black addressed an audience of powerful oilmen. Speaking without a text as he flipped through detailed slides, Black delivered a sobering message: carbon dioxide from the world’s use of fossil fuels would warm the planet and could eventually endanger humanity.

    “In the first place, there is general scientific agreement that the most likely manner in which mankind is influencing the global climate is through carbon dioxide release from the burning of fossil fuels,” Black told Exxon’s Management Committee, according to a written version he recorded later.

    It was July 1977 when Exxon’s leaders received this blunt assessment, well before most of the world had heard of the looming climate crisis.

    A year later, Black, a top technical expert in Exxon’s Research & Engineering division, took an updated version of his presentation to a broader audience. He warned Exxon scientists and managers that independent researchers estimated a doubling of the carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration in the atmosphere would increase average global temperatures by 2 to 3 degrees Celsius (4 to 5 degrees Fahrenheit), and as much as 10 degrees Celsius (18 degrees Fahrenheit) at the poles. Rainfall might get heavier in some regions, and other places might turn to desert.”

    http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/exxons-own-research-confirmed-fossil-fuels-role-in-global-warming-decades-ago

  117. The Great Pumpkin says:

    121- Exxon’s own research confirmed fossil fuels’ role in global warming in 1977. Their top executives have spent hundreds of millions of dollars over the next several decades blocking solutions.

  118. The Great Pumpkin says:

    How can you deny Exxon’s own research? Still think it’s about trying to steal your money? I really don’t understand how you can think like this? It’s obvious we are changing the world that we live in, why would you not want to try and stabilize these changes? Just push the problems down to your great grandchildren, right?

  119. The Great Pumpkin says:

    How much you want to bet that those comments are coming from crazy conservatives, hell bent on thinking that humans have no effect on the climate. Better yet, there is no such thing as climate change, the temperature is not changing, right? This is utter nonsense based on the evidence that is presented. Asking for perfect models and perfect data is asking for the impossible, you are just looking for excuses to not believe what is happening right in front of your eyes.

    Based on this simple experiment, did it not show that carbon dioxide leads to a higher temperature? Why would this guy in the video make this up? What does he have to gain from lying? It’s a simple experiment demonstrating the effects of added carbon in the atmosphere.

    Alex says:
    September 18, 2015 at 8:29 pm
    116-

    Pumpers,

    Take the time to read the youtube video comments, plenty of them debunking the simplistic experiment.

  120. Libturd at home says:

    You continue to ignore the potential impact of innovation.

  121. Alex says:

    According to you leftwing gullible alarmists, prior to the Industrial age, there was no climate change.

  122. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Lib, all I can do is hope that innovation will be able to overcome human greed. That’s what this is all about. India won’t stop, because the west did it for a 150 years, same with China. That’s a sick reason for continuing to pump greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. What the hell will the money do when the climate change is too much to overcome and billions die because some asian nations need to pollute based on the west doing it for a 150 years. Do they not realize that we didn’t know what the hell we were doing by burning all that coal? Sick world we live in. Everyone acts like they care about fellow human beings and the world we live in, yet the minute money comes into the equation, it’s all thrown out the door.

    Libturd at home says:
    September 18, 2015 at 9:12 pm
    You continue to ignore the potential impact of innovation.

  123. The Great Pumpkin says:

    There was change, but not at this fast of a rate, where species have almost no chance to adjust to the changes.

    Alex says:
    September 18, 2015 at 9:18 pm
    According to you leftwing gullible alarmists, prior to the Industrial age, there was no climate change.

  124. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Do you see how China and India pollute the lands they live on? It’s insanity because they know the consequences of their actions, but don’t care. All they want is money. We should force them to have to live off their own land as opposed to buying food and water from other countries. It’s disgusting that you get to a point where you have to put on a mask to breath and over 60% of the water in your country is unsafe for drinking. Absolutely disgusting and idiotic. China and India make me sick.

  125. Alex says:

    Nasa 2014:

    Antarctic ice reaches new record maxima.

  126. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Explain to me why an “Exxon scientist” would talking about the impact of the release of huge amounts of carbon into the atmosphere? What did he have to gain by presenting this evidence? Where is the conspiracy with this? Can’t say he was getting paid to put out bs data, he was conducting research for a giant fossil fuel company. So explain why he would come out with those findings in 1977 other than he was scared for the impact on the future?

    Alex says:
    September 18, 2015 at 9:35 pm
    Nasa 2014:

    Antarctic ice reaches new record maxima.

  127. Alex says:

    131-

    Pumps, he’s a scientist.

    Scientists speculate, hypothesize and congecture, so what?

  128. chicagofinance says:

    With or without subsidy? Because all the projects that I have reviewed have been a massive resource taker….also, what do we pay for electric….. $0.14?…….it is a misleading statistic in a way…..also the $0.14 includes a public subsidy to create a ready market to sell government mandated solar generation……so what are we really saying?

    leftwing says:
    September 18, 2015 at 7:55 pm
    They peg solar as going from $101 per watt in 1975 to $0.61 today.

  129. Juice Box says:

    Climate deniers are going to be prosecuted under, RICO?

  130. joyce says:

    Why not
    Makes as much sense as when the cops shoot an innocent bystander and then charge the (alleged) suspect with the shooting…

  131. Guomino says:

    I love how all the mindless sheep in NJ look the other way while incompetent and corrupt NJ government employees keep driving taxes up.

    Do you want to know why the RE market truly stinks in NJ? It’s simple… Taxes are almost as high (and in many cases higher than) mortgages because incompetent and corrupt NJ government politicians and employees keep driving taxes higher.

    Since NJ residents are the morons that keep letting it happen, you all deserve what you get.

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