C19 Open Discussion Week 1

Well, at this rate, we might as well keep this going for a while.

From the Record:

NJ sets voluntary statewide curfew, and casinos, bars, gyms closing until further notice

New Jerseyans should not leave their homes from 8 p.m. to 5 a.m., as Gov. Phil Murphy announced an extraordinary action of recommending a statewide curfew for his 9 million residents in an attempt to contain the spread of the novel coronavirus. 

All casinos, bars, movie theaters, nightclubs, performing arts centers and gyms must shut down at 8 p.m. Monday and will remain closed until further notice in New Jersey, New York and Connecticut, the three governors announced Monday. People can no longer go to a restaurant to dine in, but restaurants can still provide delivery and takeout. The businesses must remain closed until the state governments say they can reopen. 

“Everyone needs to stay in and be safe,” Murphy said in a phone call with New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Connecticut Gov. Ned Lamont to announce the new restrictions. “And we can’t say this enough, that everyone needs to stay in and be safe, and just because you don’t feel sick, and this is a particular shout-out to our young people, it doesn’t mean you aren’t carrying the virus.”

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436 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 1

  1. Hold my beer says:

    We will all be working for amazon, uber eats, or the repo man soon.

  2. Yo! says:

    American Dream will stay in the news. Missed bond payments coming soon.

  3. grim says:

    As a mass quarantine location?

  4. grim says:


    Scientists and government officials fighting the coronavirus epidemic say they have a problem: Carefree youths.

    As authorities moved to restrict social gatherings last week, bars and restaurants from New York to Berlin filled up with revelers, illegal “lockdown parties” popped up in France and Belgium, and campuses in the U.S. lit up for end-of-the-world dorm parties.

    So far, most young Covid-19 patients have experienced mild or no symptoms from the virus, while more severe cases are concentrated among those aged 50 and over. Data released last week by the National Health Institute in Italy, currently the world’s worst-hit country, shows mortality rates starting at 0% for patients aged 0 to 29 and edging up to peak at 19% for those over 90.

    Yet scientists say tests have shown children and young adults are no less likely than older people to get infected and transmit the virus. Epidemiologists are growing concerned that the millennial pushback against social-distancing measures—and an emerging generational divide about how the disease is perceived—could undo all efforts to slow the spread of the virus and put vulnerable people at high risk.

  5. grim says:

    Suppose you could look at this as payback for the apathy and disregard with which the boomers approached the HIV crisis.

    Too soon?

  6. Hold my beer says:

    Grim, it’s been well known for over 15 years how self absorbed yet lack of survivor skills Millenials have. So what does the government do? It builds FEMA camps all over the country just for an occasion like this. And there’s no need to spend resources to round them up . Simply post on Twitter an epic lit sick doomsday pArty that is also a safe place and the address of the camp. Millenials will show up in masses, hear the mindless electronic music, see the fences and the guard towers through the strobe lights, and think”this is a safe place and a sick party”. All the government needs to do is close the gates once the party gets going. There’s already barracks and plumbing. Hold them for two months, and bill them all for cost plus fifty percent . /off sarcasm

    Now I need to go replace the aluminum foil lining in my hat

  7. Fast Eddie says:

    Epidemiologists are growing concerned that the millennial pushback against social-distancing measures—and an emerging generational divide about how the disease is perceived—could undo all efforts to slow the spread of the virus and put vulnerable people at high risk.

    Place all millennials in internment camps.

  8. Fast Eddie says:

    Just read “Hold my Beer’s” post. Yes, trap the snowflake fee fees with candy.

  9. 30 year realtor says:


    So those who minimize the threat and do not take the advice of the experts seriously should be interned? How about the Trump, Nunes and Stitt? What is the proper punishment for willfully misleading people in a time of catastrophe?

  10. Fast Eddie says:

    30 year,

    Willfully misleading people? Because your side would have handled it differently. This, an unprecedented event. What was your side doing when they weren’t ripping up SOTU speeches and impeaching a president based on deranged anger? And you want to turn to Joe Biden for answers? A man who claims he’s the only one who can beat Richard Nixon in November? LOL!!

  11. 30 year realtor says:


    I have reread what I wrote and there is no defense of Democrats or supposition about what they would have done better or differently. There is only a simple statement about the POTUS, Devin Nunes and Kevin Stitt making willfully misleading statements in violation of the advice of medical experts to the detriment of the American public.

    If you want to talk about what I have actually stated, bring it on. Otherwise STFU!

  12. Libturd, knows you can't spell nice without ICE says:

    As a mass quarantine location?

    Brilliant Grim. I got dibs on the ski slope.

    Nomad, I’ve been following the testing machines (manual vs. auto) for a while now. Interesting stuff. Seems like Roche really pulled off a miracle to get that heavy harware both manufactured and setup. Now if only the government would start the lockdown already. When this is all said an done, we will learn that a lockdown of three weeks with closed borders would have been much less damaging to our economy (allowing for a quick bounce back) than trying to keep everyone working for an extra two weeks allowing the virus to spread rampantly. But what do I know. I’m still just a janitor who knows that when your government is owned by the corporations, you must put the corporations in front of the individuals.

  13. Hold my beer says:

    The U.K. changed their plans yesterday. Once their pm got through his head his plan to mitigate instead of suppress would result in 250,000 deaths they are now closing stuff and asking people to telecommute and eliminate all non essential context for the next few months

  14. Fast Eddie says:

    See? You can be a Monday morning quarterback, too!

  15. 30 year realtor says:

    Monday morning quarterback? How so? Those statements made by leaders were irresponsible and potentially lethal the moment they fell from their lips. This is not a matter of waiting to see the results and then second guessing what was said.

    Eddie, you are always making statements about the lack of masculinity of those that you despise politically. Grow a f*cking pair of balls and admit how f*cking stupid and irresponsible these statements made by these leaders truly are!

  16. NJCoast says:

    Ding, ding, ding back to your corners guys.

  17. ExEssex says:

    Eddie/Gary enjoy the last months of Maga.
    At this point it’s a punchline.

  18. Fast Eddie says:


    And yet, he’ll be reelected.

  19. ExEssex says:

    Wanna bet? And more importantly “why”?

  20. ExEssex says:

    The Republican-led geyser of insanity that landed in our laps between 2005 and 2009 is back for an encore, and it’s horrifying.

    Trump’s latest Hurricane Katrina-type blunder comes in the form of his reaction to the COVID-19 outbreak, of course, which has been exacerbated by the president’s lackadaisical whatevs attitude for the first several months. (The first case emerged in November.) By the way, I would argue his flaccid reaction to the 2018 California wildfires and 2017’s Hurricane Maria easily qualify as his other Katrina events.
    Trump’s version of the Great Recession also lurks around the corner — in fact, Trump agreed this week that a recession will likely happen soon. Likewise, the Dow collapsed another 3,000 points on Monday, closing at 20,188, a wafer-thin margin above the 19,827 average on inauguration day 2017, erasing all of the Trump gains. For the sake of comparison, Barack Obama presided over a 65.1 percent increase in the Dow during his first three years, while Trump has presided over a 1.6 percent gain and falling — my hunch is that Trump’s record on the Dow will be in the negative territory before the end of the week. Hell, Larry Kudlow, Trump’s chief economic adviser, even repeated on Monday, “The fundamentals of the economy are strong.” John McCain said the exact same words in August 2008, just before the crash. Around and around we go.
    Trump and the Republican Senate are also responsible for a $1 trillion budget deficit, adding nearly half a trillion to the deficit in a little more than three years after the Obama administration cut the deficit by nearly a trillion dollars, from $1.4 trillion to $439 billion. The aforementioned $1.4 trillion deficit was courtesy of George W. Bush. So much for “fiscal conservatism.” We can expect Trump’s deficits to skyrocket even further now that the government and the Federal Reserve are bailing out businesses and extending liquidity to the banks. Another TARP could be in the works before this is all over.

  21. ExEssex says:

    Trump voters justified this choice by suggesting that an obnoxious, undisciplined “businessman” who sold steaks in Sharper Image mall stores was fully qualified to run the world’s most powerful government (which isn’t at all like a business). This was like shoving a carnie who runs the Tilt-a-Whirl into the cockpit of a Space-X rocket. Maybe he’ll stir things up, they thought, choosing to experiment with the presidency by handing an erratic weirdo the nuclear codes. What could possibly go wrong? For starters, the rocket is nosediving, and we’re all passengers, including the voters who put us here.

    We tried to warn the Red Hats. We tried to remind them what happened the last time around. But rather than employing basic common sense or, at the very least, a Google search for what went down during the previous, slightly less moronic Republican administration, they decided to jam their faces into the GOP propeller blades once again, and here we are. Ned “The Head” Ryerson should be along any second now, refusing to abide social distancing.

    Whether it was refusing to acknowledge the onset of the virus or closing down the pandemic response unit a couple of years ago, the Trump White House bungled this from the beginning, likely worsening the death toll and precipitating the collapse of the financial markets. Meanwhile, Trump’s tax cuts ended up benefiting Trump’s wealthy Mar-a-Lago guests far more than the “forgotten” men and women of America — and there was no way to pay for them, adding still more billions to the deficit. We’ve also seen this dynamic play out at the state level, for example with former Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback and his tax cut “experiment,” which nearly bankrupted the state rather than creating the explosive economic growth he promised.

  22. Bystander says:

    I hate burnt Orange clown as well. Biden in no prize. What I can’t stand about red hats are their blind loyalties to his insane lies..or that he performed economic ‘magic’. It was a farce and remains a farce. It was a farce under Obama. Fed bubble due to moral hazards and artificial pumping. The red hat clowns have to face it now..but hard to gloat right now. We need independent leader now more than ever.

  23. ExEssex says:

    In early President Donald days, then-White House strategist Steve Bannon took over like a jug of Lysol. His mantra? Clean, vacuum, disinfect the swamp. In quick time, however, Bannon soon mounted up and rode off into the sunset.

    He and DJT still communicate. He informed the president — in January — about this killer virus.

    A) He knows China. B) Spent time in Wuhan. C) Has key sources. D) Recognized its government was concealing illness figures. E) No carbon was being produced. F) NASA satellite photos showed China’s industrial shutdown.

  24. juice box says:

    Here is your reminder that @TheDemocrats’ now presumed nominee former VP @JoeBiden called @realDonaldTrump’s January travel restrictions “hysterical,” “xenophobic,” “fearmongering”. If Biden is the nominee these words will haunt him.

    There is still time to replace Biden and Bernie with someone who can actually win in November. I personally like the Hawaiian Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard.

  25. Fast Eddie says:

    I personally like the Hawaiian Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard.

    I did, too.

  26. ExEssex says:

    Gabbarf is a member of a religious cult.
    She funnels money to them through her campaign fund.
    She’s also a known twat. Biden is a hapless rube, but he’ll surround
    Himself with good staffers and not try to eliminate capitalism. See?

  27. Juice Box says:

    Essex –
    I am surprised the left is not embracing a Vegan Hindu, woman of color.

    Matters not if Biden can’t win. They are going to run out of Adderall before he can get his act together.

  28. Phoenix says:

    Perfect combo, be a govt. worker, be asked to quarantine, get paid. Everyone else, show up to work.

    “Government employers must provide paid sick and family leave: The House bill says all government employers must provide these benefits to workers. The same is also true for any union workers who are part of a “multi-employer” agreement.

    You don’t have to have the coronavirus to get the benefit: The two weeks of paid sick leave apply to anyone told to quarantine, showing symptoms, exposed to the virus or trying to get a test or preventive care. “

  29. Libturd says:

    Forget the election. We need a coup at this point. I barely like Biden more than HRC. But at least he’s not dangerous.

    And as long as we are onto politics, I think Trump will eventually hang for this. You can’t say things like this is contained when the rest of the world knows you need a lockdown to stop the spread. The number of congress and senate seats the R’s will lose, following this imbecile into the abyss may be record-breaking. For it’s one thing to lie about withholding aid to a foreign country unless they look into your political opponents immoral (not illegal) wrongdoings. It’s another to let thousands of countrymen needlessly die because you won’t admit there is a catastrophe because it might negatively impact your reelection.

    In two weeks time, the Dems and many Republicans are going to call for Trump to straight up step-down. He won’t to the detriment of our country. And you think this market is bottoming? No amount of borrowing is going to fix this one. For the imbecile in chief emptied the chamber of economic bullets during the GREATEST ECONOMY EVER.

    Just wait until the body bags.

  30. Juice Box says:

    Light at the end of the tunnel?

    In China only 21 new domestic cases of infection were reported on Tuesday.

  31. ExEssex says:

    11:15 the “left” is made up of middle of the road mid westerners like me. The far left is not nearly as prevalent although they are vocal like the far right. A blue wave is just average folks tired of seeing a complete incompetent narcissist in office.

  32. Juice Box says:

    Phoenix..- Their twitter feed explains it, people are allowed to return to their home countries etc.

    They expect a big drop-off in flights this week.


  33. Juice Box says:

    Odds are one of the candidates will get the Coronavirus, if they keep campaigning.

  34. Libturd says:


    Only after police enforced lock-downs.

  35. Hold my beer says:


    I think we will see a blue wave too. We will see republicans trying to distance themselves from current administration once we morph into Italy.

    I just watched Cuomo hold a conference . He basically said the projected infection rate curve is not slowing and current best case scenario is to have 55,000 hospitalized. NY state only has 40,000 Hospital beds and 3,000 iCU beds. It will be like Italy, maybe worse.

    They are also loosening the rules to get medical and nursing students available to treat patients and asking nurses and doctors to come out of retirement

    He also only wants to close schools for two weeks at a time but you can safely anticipate multiple two week closures

  36. Libturd (breaking the echo chamber) says:

    Until a minimum trillion dollar (no need to pay back) facility is announced, this market is dead in the water.


  37. Libturd, the Master Beta says:

    A federal worker I know is on “weather or safety” leave.

    Seems fair.

  38. ExEssex says:

    safety net that was “the schools” as a teacher.
    Just about “now” is when that becomes a viable job. When things get crappy as they have a few as they will. You’ll see public jobs to be a safe haven. See? The gubmint can act boldly and perhaps for the ‘common’ man. It just needs a good crisis or a shove by communists.

  39. ExEssex says:

    Shelter in place for me is mountains in the background and sunshine. Cool ocean breezes. Now my kiddo is back to share it all! Super busy wife – booooked all day via the phone line. We’ll have lunch . Make the time count! As a self isolating 50’something I’m just happy to have to company. 90 day hiatus on Tax payments? Oh boy. That’ll help.

  40. Nomad says:


    Roche runs their diagnostics business out of Indianapolis. They bought Boehringer Mannheim in 1998 and BM had their offices in Indy. They are a big employer and Pence knows them well. Roche was ready to do COVID-19 testing back in January but as I understand it, the guy on Pennsylvania Avenue did not understand the magnitude of the problem and how getting a head start on stopping the spread would have an immense impact on reducing the incidence and human suffering not to mention the economic ramifications.

    Here is a great video showing Cobas in action. It can be configured in a multitude of ways. Much of the chemistry is Boehringer Mannheim, arguably the best on the planet.


    Where we are now we should have been at least 8 weeks ago if not sooner. I hope it all works out but it won’t be without pain. The next 2 weeks are going to be telling. We will hear a lot about diagnosed cases and deaths, both of which are concerning but its the hospital census info (occupancy rate if you will) and available ICU beds that will tell more of the story.

  41. Libturd says:

    My thoughts exactly Nomad. We are way later to the game then we should be at this point. And the longer we wait for lockdown, the worse we’ll be. As much as I would love my families $4,000 federal paycheck. We don’t need it and it’s a perfect example of how not to handle this situation. The money needs to go to small business owners. Large companies should be able to borrow at 0% to cover the temporary shortfall. After all, it’s the Greatest Economy Ever and Trump keeps saying it’s going to come back even stronger than it was.

  42. Fast Eddie says:

    We are way later to the game then we should be at this point.

    We tried to tell that to the democrats in January when they called Trump a rac1st and xenophobe for closing travel to and from China.

  43. Juice Box says:

    Nomad- “Roche was ready to do COVID-19 testing back in January”

    How is this possible, when the testing protocol was not yet developed, and the first patient in the USA was diagnosed on Feb 5th?

    Lots of mis-information about the test kits and the void created by the C.D.C.’s faulty tests, and the WHO’s also fault tests. Reality is the first real test with at least 90% accuracy was not created until at least January 21st.

    Read about what happened here.


    Blame can be put on everyone here, especially the Chinese who were covering this up and did not upload the virus genome to the rest of the world until January 10th.

    Trump the wacist started the travel ban on Jan. 31th folks before the first case was diagnosed on Feb 5th. We should tar and feather him anyway we all need someone to blame and just don’t blame patient Zero or China who got it from where exactly?

  44. BoysHere FightingWords says:

    Boys, the issue that is freaking out the medical community id lack supplies. We are not the USA of December 6th,1941. We are Cuba of February 5th,1962 – which was an agricultural plantation economy with an urban merchant class and no manufacturing abilities or know how.

    There is a lot of disposable equipment (Vortran GO2Vent/Whispler Flow) that can be used. But guess what? It comes from a 3rd world hole. I was told to put my n-95 mask in sunlight to kill off 19 and re-use it and I’m in a federal government facility. Fortunately I can make my own HazMat Level C suit with garbage bags, HEPA filter and CPAP mask.

    Is bad, because if its not in a warehouse it, there is none. So unless the military releases is supplies (if any?) at the appropiate time, just make sure you whisper “Ayn Rand” like “Rosebud” in the movie.

  45. Juice Box says:

    Even the faulty reporting by the Atlantic admits “Chinese government does not allow specimens to be shipped outside its borders”.

    Every single private testing company in the USA could not get access to virus and patient specimens from anybody so that they can validate any test they created.

    Who at fault again? Trump should have threatened Xi ship the samples of the virus or we shut you down. How would have that gone over folks?

  46. Fast Eddie says:

    Bird flu? Of course it flu! That’s what birds do, man!

    ~ Joe Biden

  47. Hold my beer says:

    Texas is activating the national guard. Dallas had 9 more cases so far today, 5 from community spread.

    I think I will stay home and order groceries to be delivered. Ordered some stuff from amazon prime today and it won’t be delivered till Saturday .

    Also amazon is out of lots of stuff, including Baking yeast. King Arthur flour has no flour available on their website.

  48. Libturd, the Master Beta says:

    I just got off a call with my two teams in Coimbatore and Chennai. They have half the cases that NJ has and the same number of deaths. They have already shut down schools nationwide and were one of the first countries to complete close their borders. They are considering lock down already. Incredibly proactive response for such an ill equipped country. Shame the President didn’t learn anything when he was over there.

  49. ExEssex says:

    2:20 at this point I’m pretty sure a Pringle’s can could beat Trump this November.

  50. Libturd, the Master Beta says:

    An empty Funions bag could beat Trump.

  51. Dink says:

    Trumpers keep touting the China travel ban because they know its the only thing that was done correctly in hindsight. Problem was it was the only thing done and nothing else proactively was done to slow the spread. The delay in testing is scandalous and can absolutely be laid at the federal government’s feet especially since Trump had been downplaying the whole thing that would soon go away. “and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero” It will be the number one reason why the numbers here will be higher than they had to be.

    We have nurses and doctors at our hospital who still cannot even get tested despite possible infection because of not meeting criteria and need to ration protective equipment like masks because of shortages. They are forced to self quarantine exacerbating the medical shortage. No chance any of these workers will be voting for Trump.

  52. Fast Eddie says:

    I hope this blog is up on November 4th.

  53. Nomad says:


    Thanks for the New Yorker article. Just tried to post a long response but it wouldn’t take. In short, Roche is based in Basel CH. They develop products for international use with facilities, scientists and intelligence all over the world. As is often the case, what we read isn’t necessarily the true story. No doubt a lot of moving parts to all of this but Roche was ready. The article mentioned repeatedly that there were issues with the reagents. I’ve commented previously about the quality of Roche reagents. This entire thing has been mishandled. I just hope it’s not too late. We are all on team USA. Plenty of time to blame and throw punches later, right now, too much at stake to do anything but solve the issue at hand.

  54. Hold my beer says:

    Fast Eddie,

    Blog? I hope us and our families are still above ground on November 4th.

  55. Fast Eddie says:

    I hope us and our families are still above ground on November 4th.

    Don’t worry, Biden won’t win.

  56. Hold my beer says:

    I always value the opinion on health matters of morbidly obese men who love ayn rand as they use their wife’s Cadillac health benefits from her government job and complain about the takers.

  57. Fast Eddie says:


    Who you referring to? lol.

  58. Hold my beer says:

    Fast Eddie

    No one I know. Lol my wife works in the private sector and I’m not morbidly obese yet but I’m Working at it

    Just read an article that kushner was the one telling 45 since mid January this virus was no big deal and was an attempt to tank the economy by the left.

    I think Giuliani would have done a much better job than diblasio on this virus. This morning Cuomo said at his conference if you tell people a quarantine is coming in a certain number of hours people will panic and flee to a relatives and friends in New Jersey or Westchester and being the virus with them. So what does diblasio do a few hours later? Announces New Yorkers should prepare to shelter in place in a few days.
    He’s a real genius.

  59. Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls. says:

    It was blown the moment people went hording.

    Joyce, interesting theory, though in a week or two, I think it will be proven false as many countries seem to have completely contained it.

  60. Juice Box says:

    Grim? Are you asleep at the wheel? You could have been our savior but now that honor goes to Claremont Distillers in Fairfield NJ.

    “You won’t want to drink what Claremont Distillery is brewing this week. Instead of its usual menu of vodka, bourbon and moonshine, the Fairfield distillery is hard at work making gallons of hand sanitizer to offset supply shortages during the coronavirus pandemic.

    Tim Koether, the owner, said the motivation behind the switch from spirits to sanitizer was simple. “My wife couldn’t find any, and she was getting all panicked”


  61. Juice Box says:

    Road Blocks for Cape May where there are no known cases of Covid19?

    “Cape May County Freeholder Director Gerald Thornton wants visitors from outside of the county to stay away for at least two weeks.

    People from outside of Cape May County have been traveling to their Shore homes, Thornton told NJ Advance Media Tuesday. Some have come from areas where patients have been diagnosed with coronavirus.”


  62. Juice Box says:

    Those people stocking up on toilet paper may be onto something.

    “Cash money” aka Senator Corey Booker wants to personally fly the helicopter and drop an immediate $2,000 cash payment to everyone.

  63. Juice Box says:

    28 days later..


  64. chicagofinance says:

    Stu: EXACTLY the kind of thing that would resonate with such a gadfly…… The Oracle Of Snark has prophecised the end of days. An THE END IS NIGH!

    Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls. says:
    March 17, 2020 at 4:46 pm
    It was blown the moment people went hording.

    Joyce, interesting theory, though in a week or two, I think it will be proven false as many countries seem to have completely contained it.

  65. Juice Box says:

    Update from a Chinese friend….a brilliant woman…

    “So China is still keeping its border open and taking inbound flights. Many of those flying now are reuniting with family and loved ones. My cousin just returned from LA from his Dad to be with his wife in Shanghai. They check every arrival passenger’s temperature. In one district in Shanghai (there are 12), there are 500 in self isolation. In Pudong, where a lot of westerners live, doctors can’t see patients fast enough, much busier than during the peak of it for them.

    As of today they are now requesting passengers from the 14 most affected countries to get the covid 19 test at the airport. If negative proceed to self isolation for 14 days. If positive straight to the hospital.”

  66. Juice Box says:

    In honor of St. Patrick’s day, a traditional day of Craic. I am going to give you all my joke…Our cleaning lady just called, she will be staying home and told us she will send us a bill and instructions on what to do!

  67. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Viruses have no antibiotics available to fight them (such as sepsis) and there are no holes to be sewed up, bones to be set and growths to be cut out of you by a skilled surgeon wielding a knife. Your body either fights it off or, ultimately, you die. Supporting your body systems is all medical intervention can do and the margins it can provide are small, not large.

    Joyce, the person you posted speaks will so much authority…and ignorance. The person posting has never heard of an antiviral medication. China has already reported that use of Favipiravir has resulted in faster recovery in patients that have covid-19.

  68. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Coworker of mine is from China. His parents decided to go back to China for now rather than stay in NJ.

  69. Juice Box says:

    In Honor of today, now a tradition destroyed but will be reborn.

    What is your favorite Irish Music Video.

    Here is mine…


  70. chicagofinance says:

    I only wish that this prick would suffer the backlash he deserves….. par for the course with this megalomaniac……

  71. BoomerRemover says:

    *** has entered the chat ***

    Geez… is market-ticker like a zerohedge for boomers? That unhinged message feels like it was pecked out two fingers at a time by someone who forwards chain letters to all their loved ones.

    My coworkers are not the least bit concerned. 72 year old partner is coming into the office Thursday.

  72. Grim says:

    More than 100,000 layoffs in NJ yesterday.

  73. Grim says:

    Likely 100,000 more layoffs tomorrow from retailers.

    People are telling me that WARN no longer applies.

  74. Juice Box says:

    re : Grim 0 People are telling me that WARN no longer applies.

    All in the legislation folks.

    I am normally exempt from these job actions, by sheer dick size. I fully expect the millennial in charge will terminate us all as she no likely dick.

  75. Yo! says:

    Let us get back to NJ real estate. Anybody watching URF?

  76. Geez3rsRemover19 says:

    So you Boomers know what to expect when you meet 19. The protocols coming into place is in this ballpark.

    If you have usual flu like symptoms and you show up in ER, unless you are having trouble breathing they will send you home. While there you’ll get Flu, Bio-Fire Respiratory Panel, and likely Covid 19 Test. If Flu & Bio-Fire RP are negative meaning none of the 20+ pathogens tested for show ups you are presume to have it if the clinical evidence matches and will definitely have the Covid 19 test, and you self quarantine until results of test are negative or you get worse and need a hospital.

  77. joyce says:

    I hope so. The economic impact will be interesting to say the least.

    Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls. says:
    March 17, 2020 at 4:46 pm

    Joyce, interesting theory, though in a week or two, I think it will be proven false as many countries seem to have completely contained it.

  78. joyce says:

    Agreed, the written delivery leaves something to be desired. And yes it’s very odd he would make the comment about antibiotics while also including this:

    For a person at high risk there are protocols you can follow that might reduce your risk. Some of them, specifically the use of the anti-malarials used in China and Korea, are quite safe. They might down-regulate the viral activity enough to keep you from getting seriously ill and if you are at high risk they may be worth it.

    Blue Ribbon Teacher says:
    March 17, 2020 at 6:44 pm

    Joyce, the person you posted speaks will so much authority…and ignorance. The person posting has never heard of an antiviral medication. China has already reported that use of Favipiravir has resulted in faster recovery in patients that have covid-19.

  79. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    History watched the leveling of Europe from two world wars to economic boom to rebuild everything. This is nothing capitalism can’t solve.

  80. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I heard Musk promised to deliver a vaccine by the end of April with his new startup.

  81. Rate is doubling everyday in NY.

    Mobile friendly list.

  82. grim says:

    Trillion dollars is not even remotely sufficient.

  83. grim says:


    Veteran Jersey Shore restaurateur Tim McLoone is known for his upbeat persona and attitude, but Monday was hard, real hard.

    On Monday, McLoone laid off nearly 1,000 employees across his 11 New Jersey restaurants, which includes McLoone’s Pier House in Long Branch and McLoone’s Rum Runner in Sea bright.

    “Nobody’s blaming us, but it feels terrible,” McLoone said. “There was a lot crying in this office today.”

  84. grim says:


    The sudden flood of laid-off workers seeking unemployment benefits swamped New York’s Labor Department on Monday.

    After Mr. Cuomo waived the usual seven-day waiting period to apply, workers who had been let go over the weekend immediately tried to replace some of their lost income.

    Within hours, frustrated applicants were complaining on social media about not being able to apply online. Some said that the state’s system was crashing throughout the day.

    Madeleine Witenberg tried to help her partner, Irene Leon, who had just been laid off from her full-time job as a bartender and server at a restaurant in Brooklyn’s Dumbo neighborhood. Using two different computers, the women tried unsuccessfully three times to navigate the state’s system, Ms. Leon said.

    “It just cut me off as soon as I was making progress,” she said.

    Late in the day, the department acknowledged the problem.

    “Today we experienced a massive increase in the volume of unemployment insurance claims which slowed down the server,” it said in a statement. “It is currently being addressed.”

  85. grim says:

    We are going to need to start having a discussion on which outcome is the worse one.

  86. Hold my beer says:

    We need to go Wuhan style and lock every non essential thing down for 3-4 weeks to stamp out this virus and minimize economic damage. The government giving all adults a few thousand dollars would lessen the damage. Otherwise piecemeal measures will make the health crisis worse and this will drag on six months or more and trigger another depression.

    We need a Churchill not a crowd pleaser.

  87. juice box says:

    Crap reporting, the freehold covid19 cluster, the Fusco family how did they get it? the picture of the woman that died looks like perhaps an Italian street in the Background.


  88. Juice box says:

    Bankruptcy of death?

  89. Juice box says:

    strategic default time, when you get laid off? Just walk away from debt? I really don’t want to blow through all of my savings if we are headed for a severe u shaped long recession.

  90. Grim says:

    5 family members in critical condition points to an underlying genetic factor related to severity.

  91. Hold my beer says:

    I saw a YouTube video last night by a guy saying he’s going to expand his business during this crisis. He sells mostly collectible stuff online and his employees outside of him and his wife are all high school and college kids. His theory is since they are all home from school he can have them list stuff full time like they do in the summer and can go from 30,000 listings on the one eBay account he shares on YouTube to over 100,000 plus grow all his other accounts . When this crisis ends in 6 weeks or 6 months he can have a fantastic fourth quarter and have tons of stuff listed and have a great 2021.

    His theory is he already owns the stuff, now he will have the time and manpower to list it and drive growth for years because he thinks in terms of a year or more and doesn’t worry about week to week or even monthly sales. He knows sales will slow down On lower prices collectibles for the time being but he thinks entertainment stuff like DVD’s and video games will keep selling as people hunker down and the people who buy higher end stuff that sells for over $100 are more likely to stay employed anyway and that stuff will continue to sell.

    Plus he has a business owners policy that covers him if the post office shuts down or his state orders everyone to quarantine.

  92. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    It could also be something else. They could also be one of those families that are all chronic smokers. Most people that are under 60 are told to go home and isolate when they test positive.

  93. Deadconomy says:

    Don’t be scared of inflation, be scared of deflation…

  94. Juice Box says:

    email from LabCorp don’t bother coming here and ask for a test.

    “If you believe you have been exposed to COVID-19, immediately contact your physician or healthcare provider. Testing must be collected by a physician or an authorized healthcare provider. LabCorp personnel are not able to collect the specimens in LabCorp patient service centers.”

  95. Yo! says:

    Right now I am buying stocks, borrowing money to do it. Party at my house in July.

  96. ExEssex says:

    Depression level GDP hit tells me this won’t be over by summer. “This” is the event that some of the more pessimistic on the board predicted years ago. This is is big one.

  97. Juice Box says:

    General capacity cuts by airline tracking spreadsheet below.

    About 24 have ceased operations entirely, and some large ones Air France, Ryan Air, KLM, Virgin, etc 80-90% cuts so far.


    XAL index is down from 109 to 43 right now.


  98. Phoenix says:

    Open this one if you want to see just how personal this is going to get. Grim you met me so you might remember my affiliation.


  99. Wednesday B19mer says:

    Oh, dear, dear! How the mighty free market Wall Street choirboys have fallen.

    At 9:29 on CNBC Cramer says ” We need a FDR, we have a Hoover and we need a FDR.”

    Reality of what is needed. Trump might go for it in desperation by summer if bad enough and Sleepy Joe might not survive to January.

    National Coordinated Response under Dept of Health & Human Services, meaning:

    -Medicare for All (nationalizing health insurance companies and hospital groups temporarily) as it will be a financial and operational bail out.
    – Sandia National Lab model of basic medical supplies and drugs. Do you trust Tesla/Amazon/Microsoft/Blackwater – Academie or whatever it calls itself this day – with Nuclear weapons without government supervision?
    -Ban Stock buy back. Bail out the Boeings, Airlines and other affected that need crash crunch but get clawback the worth of the buy back that they have done in the last 5 yrs of all the past and present executives running the companies.
    -National coordinated industrial policy. If is critical HAS to be built in the USA, otherwise 100%+ adjustable tariffs.
    -Early retirement to boomers. They are just too morally and intellectually bankrupt to do the right thing for themselves, the country, the world, and humanity – even when staring them in front ofd their eyes. Legalize the drugs they love and make it cheap so they can pass on fast, if they survive covid 19.

    That is to start.

  100. Wednesday B19mer says:

    Worse thing that can happen, but it will happen because is the easier way and a hedge fund “genius” proposed it. Close down the country for 30 days without doing the hard structural work required.

    All it would happened is the virus number might go down temporarily for the first 2 weeks, then it goes up as desperate and hungry people go in zombie mode. All that will happen is that said “hedge fund guy” and his likes will make a killing as they buy cheap and prepare to sell 60+ days out in trades. The structural rot remains.

  101. B19mersVentilate withHotAir says:


    That ventilator is a PB7200 phased out years ago, a work horse – but first sold in 1981, there are 2 generations since them the 840 and present 980. The article posted requires too many valves and tubing – try to get it now!. Unless someone stay manually ventilating – best is something like Vortran GO2Vent.

  102. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Don’t be scared of inflation, be scared of deflation…

    The past 10 years have proven that deflation will not occur. They printed their way to inflate all assets, while many academics claimed we had “no more room to cut” interest rates.

  103. NJCoast says:

    I can’t get a C of O for the place I’m buying because the town inspectors won’t enter any homes until April 20th at the earliest.

  104. Juice Box says:

    Are we there yet?

    Heavy Western Canadian Select fell to a record low of US$9.19 a barrel as of 9:12 a.m. New York time Wednesday, more than US$15 below the U.S. benchmark.

  105. Phoenix says:

    B19mersVentilate withHotAir:

    Not the unit, but the process. Multiple people on one ventilator. I just chose a random article.

  106. NJGator says:

    Captain Cheapo spent $300 on organic groceries at Fairway this morning. Yes, Juice. We are there.

  107. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    DeBlasio is a jerk off. He’s complaining the Nets tested their players saying they shouldn’t have done it. They identified 4 positives from those tests.

  108. Libturd says:

    I only bought organic because because the regular (overpriced stuff) was way too picked through and looked like sh1t.

    Woke up at 6:40 to get to ShopRite at 7am opening. Drove right on by when I saw at least 50 people queued up to get carts and at least 50 more sitting in their cars.

    Headed to Stop&Shop in Clifton which was to open at 7:30am. Could tell by the number of people in their cars in their parking lot that this was going to be a repeat of ShopRite. Queue was already forming at the locked door 25 minutes before store opened.

    Gator suggested Fairway in West Paterson (or whatever it’s called now?) and it was surprisingly empty. For example, I was the only person in produce, besides a dude sanitizing the place. Very little meat besides prime beef left and no bread or eggs, but everything was fairly stocked. Bought a lot of 1% milk as whole and 2% were depleted. Plenty of OJ, cheese, flour, sugar, yogurt, etc. We are good on dry goods since we maintain a healthy pantry. Nearly every shopper in Fairway was careful. Most had masks (which makes no sense) gloves and maintained separation. I could see the fear in the cashier’s eyes (2 lanes open). I both scanned the products and bagged them. Not even a full cart. $300. Ouch!

    Stopped at Walgreens and CVS on way home, still no bread. Finally, ran into Acme in Montclair and found bread. Bought 4 loaves, two to freeze and headed home with everything we should need for at least the next three weeks.

  109. Bob-the_dude says:

    So what do you think income limits for governmental checks will be?

    I saw 65,000 figure.

    I am a bit tired of never getting any handouts while paying taxes through wazoo and in the end living more frugal life than so called poor people.

    By the way, people on this blog: is it time to buy a gun yet?

  110. Juice Box says:

    We baked 4 loaves of bread this week. I will make 4 more next week if needed and so on and so forth.

    Speaking of fear factor, my Ring doorbell usually goes off multiple times with the dog walkers in the morning. None today, fido will just have to poop in the yard.

  111. Libturd says:

    “DeBlasio” is Dinkin’s of another color.

  112. homeboken says:

    Amazing to see NJRE back to life. Nothing like a world-wide crisis to bring this motley crew of commentators together. I missed you all!

    Hope everyone stays safe and healthy. Looking forward to a lively discussion, this blog has been cutting edge on a lot of topics. I bet it is the same this time.

    I will toss my useless hat into the political ring for 1 second. My bet – DJT wins reelection. In my useless opinion, he will win 43 states, potentially 45. Biden is a walking corpse, the electorate is not stupid. The man has legitimate dementia and his campaign is akin to elder abuse. It is sad to see.

  113. ExEssex says:

    I actually think Trump will lose and by a very substantial margin. That is if he doesn’t resign first or worse, actually get sick and die himself. The markets are actually signaling that Trump has botched this and they don’t seem impressed with his recovery plans.

  114. Roaring twenties 2.0 says:

    New Jersey is reinventing itself.

  115. ExEssex says:

    I’ve never been happier to be away from high density low IQ city centers.
    These places will feel the brunt of the infection and probably hurt most from free-range out-of-school hooligans bored and broke. This thing is ugly on nearly every level.

  116. Juice Box says:

    Trump, Biden, Bernie, Warren may get better medical treatment than the rest of us but they are no less vulnerable perhaps more so because they need to be out there campaigning. Plan B is what exactly? Trot our Hillary on July 16th?

  117. ExEssex says:

    No Plan B would be illegal under another four-year GOP regime.

  118. 30 year realtor says:

    NJCoast – Just had a CCO inspection in Paramus this morning.

  119. Hold my beer says:

    Dow now below where it was on 45s Inauguration Day.

  120. Fast Eddie says:

    The man has legitimate dementia and his campaign is akin to elder abuse. It is sad to see.

    And yet, some on this blog think Biden has a chance and then I realize they’re suffering from a form of dementia themselves.

  121. Libturd says:

    Which means, you can now try to price in the cost of this virus damage, subtract it from the current market level and you’ll be near the bottom. I still think it’s around Dow 17K, though this could change if we keep making believe this virus can be stopped in America without a 100% lockdown.

  122. WednesdayC19 Nooner says:

    What if I added a lit more fermented p00 to the party?

    You know, if you look worldwide. ALL of our big enemies would have something to gain by having a hot war somewhere in the middle of our little sneezing fit maelstrom. Look for the ones whose back is against a hot oven and would benefit/get some relief

    Middle East – Oil Up – Russia/Iran/ Saudi Arabia other Oil Producers Benefit in price.
    Korean Peninsula/South China Seas – China/North Korea could make territorial gains
    Eastern Europe/Russian Border area – Russia makes territorial gains.

  123. chicagofinance says:

    Dems only being compliant because they know it is a bad look to appear obstructionist. Biden WAS DOA (literally?) in November, but now COVID-19 puts the election in play.

    If this situation is resolved by July, then Trump will CRUSH Biden. If this situation continues to spin out of control, then Trump is doomed.

    This situation is Trump’s 9/11 Giuliani moment. Only time will tell where this goes, anyone’s opinions on 3/18 are worthless.

    Remember Giuliani….. ruthless as$hole surrounded by things (e.g., Bernie Kerik).
    Then he became a national hero for a time.

  124. chicagofinance says:

    meant thugs…..
    Remember Giuliani….. ruthless as$hole surrounded by things (e.g., Bernie Kerik).

  125. ExEssex says:


    Why does Trump slur his words??

    Early onset dementia .

  126. chicagofinance says:

    BTW – I’m getting the feeling that most of us in the long-run are going to be best served by a minor exposure to COVID-19, and building some level of innate immunity. The more I listen to the experts, the more I get the sense that everyone is going to be exposed sooner or later. All they care about is reducing the volatility, so that there is no inundation of the medical community at any one time. The deaths occur because of lack of capacity. However, the 70% infection rate to the populace stated 4 weeks ago that pissed off Trump so much is probably correct, if not low. Why not 90%+?

  127. BoomerRemover says:

    I don’t care about the death rate as much as I do about the ICU/hospitalization rate, though I do understand the relationship between the two. IMO, being the next fatboy patient on high volume vent for three weeks isn’t exactly winning.

  128. BoomerRemover says:

    “Why does Trump slur his words??”

    I always thought it was because his dentures were slipping.

  129. ExEssex says:

    True Story: I brought it home from a largely Asian area of LA County.
    Was doing done freelance work there. We already had it. It was a bitch. Felt like bronchial pneumonia. It was a bitch.
    Temperature spikes to 104. Lost 20 lbs in a week.
    Back on the bicycle. Great therapy for building the lungs back.
    The kiddo never got it. This was five weeks ago.

  130. Libturd says:

    So far Trump has been the complete opposite of Giuliani. Besides taking the inappropriate actions and not rising to the occasion. It’s hard to inspire confidence when one is not able to speak in complete sentences.

  131. Fast Eddie says:

    “I’m Joe O’Biden and I forgot this message!”

    Joe Biden – 2020

  132. ExEssex says:

    Eddie put on your maga hat and dance a little jig.
    Whatever you do you ain’t savin’ this pig.

  133. joyce says:

    Can we do a 100% lockdown though? Between keeping medical facilities, pharmacies, grocery, utilities, police/fire/EMS, gas stations and some form of public transit if the employees of the aforementioned rely on it open… it starts to add up.

  134. Juice Box says:

    History Rhymes.

    Various studies CDC, WHO etc on the 2010 H1N1 pandemic state approximately 24% of the populations of countries for which there are data were infected during the first wave of the pandemic, with incidence reaching 50% in school-age children.

    Back then we did cancel schools in some areas Texas etc based upon clusters but not all schools like this time…

  135. Fast Eddie says:


    Imagine Oblammy at the switch during this crisis? Better yet, imagine Quid Pro Joe trying to handle this thing?

    See, you guys are livid, besides yourself that this administration is not only handling this thing flawlessly but calling out the deranged imbeciles doing everything possible to try and derail it. And once this crisis passes and after he wins a 2nd term, you’ll turn again to some stirred up, make believe fantasy to wrap yourselves around, hoping to achieve some sense of self-worth or victory knowing that your fears, flaws, weaknesses and warped ideas are shared with others.

  136. Yo! says:

    Today is historic buying opportunity. Buy today retire in a few weeks.

  137. joyce says:

    What did you buy and how much?

  138. ExEssex says:

    1:24 sorry not buying any of that drivel.

  139. joyce says:


    Fast Eddie says:
    March 18, 2020 at 1:24 pm

    Imagine Oblammy at the switch during this crisis? Better yet, imagine Quid Pro Joe trying to handle this thing?

    See, you guys are livid, besides yourself that this administration is not only handling this thing flawlessly but calling out the deranged imbeciles doing everything possible to try and derail it. And once this crisis passes and after he wins a 2nd term, you’ll turn again to some stirred up, make believe fantasy to wrap yourselves around, hoping to achieve some sense of self-worth or victory knowing that your fears, flaws, weaknesses and warped ideas are shared with others.

  140. 30 year realtor says:

    Eddie, So minimizing the coming pandemic until it became a potentially worst case scenario was flawless? Do we really have to post every moronic statement he made about this?

  141. Fast Eddie says:

    Eddie, So minimizing the coming pandemic until it became a potentially worst case scenario was flawless?

    Gimme a break. Like any of your favorites would have been Nostradamus? Another Monday morning QB.

  142. Fast Eddie says:


    1:24 sorry not buying any of that drivel.

    It’s any wonder you can buy anything… you don’t work.

  143. Libturd, the underpaid speech writer. says:

    Joyce, and they say the Democrats are deranged?

    As to the feasibility of a complete lockdown? I think if there’s a will, there’s a way. People may be allowed to go shopping, but you would have to divide the day of the week they are allowed to shop by the first letters in their last name. For example, if your last name starts with an A-E, you get Monday. Or beef up the grocery delivery system. But none of this is possible with the current leadership both Federal and at the state level, especially if they are not in coordination.

    IMO, here is all Trump needs to say…

    We are facing unprecedented times which require unprecedented measures. American resolve is unmatched and our greatness as a nation must be measured by how well we help those without the means to help themselves.

    Starting on Saturday, all of our borders will be sealed. All citizens currently overseas who wish entry to the mainland will be tested upon arrival. Depending on the result, you will be either quarantined until healed or isolated for a minimum of 14 days. No exceptions. All citizens within our borders are ordered to shelter in place. If you are in need of medical attention as a suspected result of this new virus, immediately self quarantine and call the new COVID19 hotline and we will bring a test to you. For all other emergencies, continue to utilize the 911 system. If you are in need of essential scripts, or food for survival, please contact your local government for assistance in the delivery of your necessities. If you are found not abiding by these measures, you will be incarcerated.

    The truth is, the sooner we isolate ourselves from the spread of this deadly disease, the sooner our society can return to the peace and freedom loving “normal” we Americans have savored for hundreds of years. The sooner we isolate ourselves from the spread of this deadly disease, the amount of damage to our greatest economy will be spared. Rest assured, we will get through this as we always have. The sacrifices our forefathers made for us will not have been made in vain. God willing, this terrible tragedy will be remembered as another building block in the strongest country in our world. And don’t forget, it’s never to late to use the tip jar in the upper right hand corner of the blog.

  144. Libturd in Chief says:

    Instead, this is what you get. It’s friggin’ embarassing.

    To unleash the full power of the federal government in this effort today, I am officially declaring a National Emergency. Two very big words. The action I am taking will open up access to up to 50 billion dollars of very important and a large amount of money for states and territories and localities in our shared fight against this disease.

    In furtherance of the order, I’m urging every state to set up emergency operation centers effective immediately. You’re going to be hearing from some of the largest companies and greatest retailers and medical companies in the world. They’re standing right behind me and the side of me. I’m also asking every hospital in this country to activate its emergency preparedness plan so that they can meet the needs of Americans everywhere. The hospitals are very engaged. New York and various other places are also various engaged. I just spoke with governor Cuomo. We had a very good conversation and we’re working very strongly with the many states including New York.

    In furtherance? Is that even a word?

  145. Libturd, the Master Beta says:

    Those are his actual words. I’m surprised the market is still above zero.


  146. Juice Box says:

    The truth is during the last pandemic here in 2009 the first one in over 40 year our dear leaders ignored early advice to close the Mexican border and pre-emptively shut school systems.

    But hey let’s blame someone else just not ourselves.

  147. Hold my beer says:

    Fast Eddie

    All you had to do was see what happened in Wuhan and see how korea, Taiwan, and Singapore responded to it to know that this would be bad and rapid response could drastically slow it down and maybe contain it.

  148. Juice Box says:

    50% infection rate in school age children folks, that has been prevented so far and the travel ban? DO I HAVE TO REMIND YOU AGAIN WHAT JOE BIDEN SAID?

    Here is your DAILY reminder that @TheDemocrats’ now presumed nominee former VP @JoeBiden called @realDonaldTrump’s January travel restrictions “hysterical,” “xenophobic,” “fearmongering”.

    If Biden is the nominee these words will haunt him. There is still time to replace Biden and Bernie with someone who can actually win in November or even live that long.

  149. Fast Eddie says:

    Again, it’s so easy to be a Monday morning QB. They got on top of this as quickly as possible. Try to twist it any way you can. Take the words and and the personalities behind them and critique it any way you want. They are demonstrating our might as a nation.

  150. Bystander says:

    Yo, you are a little early but getting closer.

    Trump’Tues on DPA. “We hope we don’t need it. It’s a big step,”
    Trump today: We need DPA.

    Sure, he is handling it so well. Like Mnuchin claiming “no recession is coming” on Monday and today, proclaiming “20% unemployment” might come.

    They have lied so long and often that it is nearly impossible to tell truth upfront. Trump and his pathetic gallery of idiots like Krudlow, only care about stock numbers. Perhaps he will let go of it and deal with major health crisis.

  151. Libturd says:

    Trump is full of shit. He wanted to ban nationals from China and that’s fcuking it. Don’t kid yourselves. At that point, this sh1t had spread all around the world. It was an all out ban or nothing. Stop lying to yourselves. And the fact he did absolutely nothing else proactively and to this day still does not get it (thinks it’s only about testing) just adds fuel to the fire. Trump will hang for this! For the sake of our nation, he should step aside. Before he complete destroys it.

    Fake news. I know. Ignore the fact that he is now preciding over a 40% market drop. Ignore those tickers. They are not real.

    Just read that transcript. He has the intelligence of a 2nd grader.

    Now can we get around to saving the country?

  152. Fast Eddie says:

    You democrats are a bunch of cunts. All you did for three years is cry and whine over make believe fantasy bullsh1t and now you’re saying that your side would have done it better? LMAO!!! Now you’re seeing someone with b.alls facing the fire and taking the measures required to get past this crisis. When you’re sitting on your lounge chairs this summer in your yard, stuffing your fat, fu.cking mouths with more food and alcohol, remember who was in charge, not only taking flack from the p.ussy media but ensuring that everyone was doing their job.

  153. Juice Box says:

    Some of you are really asking way too much here. What politician is ever going to say on live TV that we are doomed?

  154. ExEssex says:

    2:38 when I read your posts all I see / hear is mental illness.

  155. Roaring twenties 2.0 says:

    Fool Murphy is going to have a blast making budget cuts due to the decline in tax revenue. Have fun funding those pensions, Phfool.

  156. Libturd says:

    Hear is the Taiwanese President’s speech from January 30th. Read it and weep.


  157. joyce says:

    All you did for three years is cry and whine

    Do you have no recollection of the comments you made about Obama? He did not do one thing correct according to you.

  158. Libturd says:

    To compare Obama’s performance to Trump’s is like comparing filet minion to pork roll at this point.

  159. joyce says:

    I don’t believe the nearly shutting down of every business is warranted, but the data to determine whether the actions we’re currently taking are over-aggressive will never be available. Another can’t prove a negative situation.

  160. Libturd says:

    If businesses can run with physical separation, so be it. But anything else besides necessities, should be shut down IMO. It’s the old band-aid. Rip it off quick and get the pain over with quickly? Or, pull it off gently and suffer less pain for a much longer period of time.

  161. JCer says:

    Frankly I know feelings and opinions towards the Orange one tend to vary widely. This COVID issue is a tough one and we are still early on in the pandemic. I’m not sure you would have seen a terribly different response from any president. Yes the messaging from Trump is confusing and horrendous but the actual actions being taken are pretty much expected. Given the information available it was very difficult in the USA to put it on lock down, it was only after details of the Italy situation got out that governments have changed their response. This thing has really only been out in the US since Feb and even then the numbers were small. Unfortunately people are very reactive and there would have been massive push back, even in the current scenario a lot of businesses are severely suffering if the president tried to put that into effect 3 weeks ago….the countries business leaders would have been up in arms, we have 20 confirmed cases and we are going to shut down everyone’s businesses. It takes a while to come to the right conclusion when money is at stake……

    Lib, directives need to come from Federal passed to the states to be implemented. This country is too large for the feds to have control of local affairs, they are incompetent until proved otherwise, states need to implement the federal policies. Slowing the spread buys time but with something as transmissible as this until we have a vaccine or treatment(that can reduce the number of complicated cases) things don’t return to normal.

    A side note I’m pretty sure I had it in Feb, my wife doesn’t think so because no one else in the house got it but I thought I had the flu, chills, sweats, fever(around 100 spiking to 102.8), terrible aches even in my hands, fatigue, racing heart rate(resting heart rate of over 100 bpm), headache, at one point I slept for 18 hours, congested but dry cough and no runny nose. Went to Urgent care the day after the 18 hour sleep, swabbed for flu, but came up negative, I was not outside of the country nor did I interact with anyone from a problem region so I was not tested for COVID and was told its a virus it should clear on its own. I try very hard not to take over the counter drugs NSAIDs, I inherently don’t trust them. So I started taking Elderberry syrup and oregano oil and the symptoms largely dissipated and disappeared 3 days later. So take that with a grain of salt if you are hit by this……

  162. Bystander says:

    Chill, Ed. Smoke what you got and listen. I hit Mass dispensary about a month ago. Crazy stuff but I never get to partake. I just like having option. Jolly Green Giant or something. Maybe this summer..

    Pretty appropriate song, Who Knows..


  163. JCer says:

    Lib both Obama and Trump are essentially SPAM. It is just that Obama was well spoken and much more composed than Trump, who basically talks like a worker from the docks in circus clown like package.

    That being said if given a choice between circus clown Trump and Biden it’s tough but I might have to pull the lever for clown hair. I don’t know whats wrong with the democrats but really this election should have been a gimme if not for COVID it’s nearly 100% chance Trump gets re-elected.

  164. Fast Eddie says:

    Hey Joyce,

    It was just a few weeks ago when the left was in full swing on impeachment, impeachment, impeachment! Why wasn’t Nancy and Chuck and the dem candidates screeching about the crisis then? And why was old Joe screaming that Trump was a rac1st! And yeah, Oblammy did nothing but talk, talk and talk for 8 years while the world revolved around the sun as the “not so shovel ready” mutton heads in the media praised his glory!

  165. Fast Eddie says:


    Bring me some, I’ll pay for your gas and trouble. We can sit in my new car and listen to the Dead on Sirius.

  166. Bystander says:


    First name all the places you have been in last two months, including international. ;>)

  167. joyce says:

    For years I’ve been asking why you (and some others) think criticism of A automatically equals support of B. Why do you think that?

    Talking about unhinged and dementia, I’m worried about you. Obama did nothing but talk? No, he did plenty. Most of it I don’t like. Same as Trump. And do you not know what the word ‘flawlessly’ means? You’re acting the same as the mutton heads in the media that praised Obama’s glory.

  168. Hold my beer says:

    Fast Eddie

    Are you still daily thanking 45 for the stock market?

    It’s a beautiful crash. The best. Bigly.

    Wonder if I still have my vintage Dow 10,000 hat.
    May need that in a week or two at this rate .

  169. ExEssex says:

    3:34 I’ve had pneumonia twice and this shit was serious. Sat on my chest to the point where I’m like “ok I get it this what it feels like to die”. Fought that shit hard. Got back on the Peg and rode it up a hill near my house. Got off the bike and damn near coughed up a lung. Again two days after that first ride I’m hittin real hills. No worry.

  170. Fast Eddie says:

    Beer, ask me about the market in a few months.

    Joyce, I’m fine. I wallow in minute particles of code, configs and model terminology all day long.

  171. joyce says:

    Non-response. Would fit right in with the media/government.

  172. JCer says:

    Eddie, the Dems are straight up clown show at this point. The whole political establishment is basically irredeemable. People don’t realize it, I’ve been saying it for years we are Italy now. Ridiculous politicians, Trump is basically the American version of Berlusconi, but truth be told things were better in Berlusconi’s italy than the loony left and that’s the issue. It’s not that Berlusconi was good(he wasn’t) and the same goes for Trump, just better than the alternative.

  173. chicagofinance says:

    The fact that you were over it in under a week probably means that you didn’t have it, but only you can be the judge.

    JCer says:
    March 18, 2020 at 3:34 pm
    A side note I’m pretty sure I had it in Feb, my wife doesn’t think so because no one else in the house got it but I thought I had the flu, chills, sweats, fever(around 100 spiking to 102.8), terrible aches even in my hands, fatigue, racing heart rate(resting heart rate of over 100 bpm), headache, at one point I slept for 18 hours, congested but dry cough and no runny nose. Went to Urgent care the day after the 18 hour sleep, swabbed for flu, but came up negative, I was not outside of the country nor did I interact with anyone from a problem region so I was not tested for COVID and was told its a virus it should clear on its own. I try very hard not to take over the counter drugs NSAIDs, I inherently don’t trust them. So I started taking Elderberry syrup and oregano oil and the symptoms largely dissipated and disappeared 3 days later. So take that with a grain of salt if you are hit by this……

  174. Juice Box says:

    The great margin call continues.

    Next up folks is a market freeze aka closure. How will they package it?

  175. Phoenix says:

    “Again, it’s so easy to be a Monday morning QB. They got on top of this as quickly as possible.” Fast Eddie

    As someone who spent the last 30 years in this industry I beg to differ. The industry has been running so tight for years with no reserve capacity.

    The look in someone’s eyes as they are drowning internally is a sight to see. Then the fear when you tell them if you don’t put a tube in they are going to die just brings it over the top.

  176. Fast Eddie says:

    What are you looking for, Joyce? Is this a homework assignment? You want a 10 page, single-spaced essay? I have an idea what made this country strong and my logic tells me it wasn’t because we accepted neutered philosophies and mollycoddled men. I could write here for the next hour but you’ll parse the words as you see fit. I know what works, I’ve compared sides and I see the difference.

  177. Fast Eddie says:

    As someone who spent the last 30 years in this industry I beg to differ. The industry has been running so tight for years with no reserve capacity.

    What do you do for a living? Who’s disputing the fact that you can drown to death lying in a bed? Why is this sickness different from any other that causes pneumonia? Are you in D.C.? The Pentagon?

  178. chicagofinance says:

    At 2:30PM today….. that was something….. some party was liquidated hard…. fcuking brutal….. they must have been long a sh!tload of BA & DIS too…..

    Juice Box says:
    March 18, 2020 at 4:38 pm
    The great margin call continues.

  179. ExEssex says:

    Mollycoddling is highly underrated.

  180. JCer says:

    Chi, Sambucol has been clinically proven to shorten the duration of flu(it seemingly performs as well as tamiflu), colds and other corona viruses. I had fatigue and mild symptoms for 2-3 days, total duration was probably ~10 days for all symptoms to go. Frankly it felt very flu like so unless the flu swab was wrong it certainly was more severe than any cold I’ve had, and had some weird symptoms even for a flu(racing heartbeat, elevated blood pressure, congested but dry) all conjecture at this point.

    If anyone wants my conspiracy theory on China, they are back to work and have this virus under control because they are treating it en-masse with remdesivir that they are illicitly manufacturing and hydroxychloroquine(https://tinyurl.com/rzco8ra). As soon a there is an effective treatment than can bring complicated cases below 1% life can return to normal. Also the Chinese are less squeamish about killing off some of their billion people and any numbers coming from China are most probably lies. China has been treating patients with chloroquine based anti-malaria drugs since Jan/Feb, meanwhile we are only hearing about successful tests yesterday from France.

  181. JCer says:

    China has bigger problems, the structural issues in are markets and government are largely out in the open. What happens in china when instead of growth they have contraction? How do you feed 1.3 billion people in a country grappling with COVID, a swine flu that killed 2/3rds of their pigs, that wasn’t food self sufficient to begin with? They need to lie, they need to keep it under wraps and have a semblance of control or we could see the end of CCP. Strange days are upon us indeed.

  182. joyce says:

    I asked, among other things, why you seemingly can’t read criticism of Trump without responding the way you do? It’s possible for you to prefer him and other Republican politicians without claiming everything they do is flawless.

    Fast Eddie says:
    March 18, 2020 at 4:50 pm
    What are you looking for, Joyce?

  183. chicagofinance says:

    Kyle Bass on CNBC just now….. good stuff….

  184. chicagofinance says:

    JC: just to be clear….. Oregano Oil is the sh!t…. you may even have the homeopathic approach to COVID-19.

  185. ExEssex says:

    Cuomo on the radio. The man is outstanding.

  186. Libturd, the Master Beta says:

    No one is outstanding until they tell everyone to shelter in place.

    I can’t believe no one liked my speech.

    Finally, what’s with the disconnect of the ten year?

  187. chicagofinance says:

    Liquidation across the board……. move to cash

  188. Libturd, the Master Beta says:

    Thanks Chi.

  189. joyce says:

    It was good…

    chicagofinance says:
    March 18, 2020 at 5:44 pm
    Kyle Bass on CNBC just now….. good stuff….

  190. joyce says:

    Would the plan be to shelter in place for a few weeks to flatten the curve? Or until some milestone is achieved?

    Libturd, the Master Beta says:
    March 18, 2020 at 6:00 pm
    No one is outstanding until they tell everyone to shelter in place.

    I can’t believe no one liked my speech.

  191. Juice Box says:

    Just a warning again folks. They will close the markets if this keeps up. NYSE has it’s first case reason for the close of the trading floor.

    The Intercontinental Exchange, Inc. ICE, -8.73% said late Wednesday that the New York Stock Exchange will temporarily close floor trading and move to fully electronic trading on Monday after a trader and a NYSE employee tested positive for COVID-19. “Trading and regulatory oversight of all NYSE-listed securities will continue without interruption,” the exchange operator said. The NYSE equities trading floor in New York, the NYSE options trading floor in New York, and the NYSE Arca Options trading floor in San Francisco are to close, the company said. The move is a “precautionary step to protect the health and well-being of employees and the floor community in response to COVID-19,” it said. “NYSE’s trading floors provide unique value to issuers and investors, but our markets are fully capable of operating in an all-electronic fashion to serve all participants, and we will proceed in that manner until we can re-open our trading floors to our members,” said NYSE President Stacey Cunningham said in a statement. Later on, the NYSE confirmed that a trader and an employee had tested positive for the virus. Both were screened at a security checkpoint and not permitted to enter the building this week. The NYSE employee was last in the exchange building at the heart of Wall Street on Friday, and did not access the trading floor, the company said. The trader also was last at the building on Friday, and sent home on Monday to await results without entering the building past the screening area, the company said.


  192. Juice Box says:

    Study posted. Seems an old Malaria drug developed in 1945 has been tested as effective at treating Covid19. It disrupts viral replication.

    Old generic malaria drug hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil, Sanofi-Aventis, among others)


  193. Hold my beer says:


    It was a beautiful speech. Although Taiwan is getting new infections from people coming back from Europe and US. Amazing how effective screening, testing, chasing down contacts, and quarantine is compared to wait and see and hopes and prayers. And also having an economic plan to deal with it

    The first death in my area was a man living in a retirement home in Arlington. All employees and residents will be tested. Also an employee of a pep boys in Plano tested positive and all customers of that store over the last two weeks are being contacted.

  194. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Given the amount of effectiveness that these various medications are having, I’m guessing the death rate is going to go down over the next few months. Once we figure out how to treat this, and China and South Korea have done a lot on this front…my prediction is that this becomes just another virus.

  195. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Just read that Wuhan is sending home 40,000 medics today. They had 1 confirmed case.

  196. BoomerRemover says:

    Who is moving to cash across the board??!?! Certainly not Kyle.

    I would like to start deploying at these levels. I feel like a lot of the unknowns are being quantified.

  197. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Oil is at an 18 year low. Not much more downside here. I feel like this is the perfect storm for oil.

  198. Libturd, still in Union, mainly on Thursdays. says:

    Wait for the body bags.

    Friday’s during panics tend to be good days to buy. I wouldn’t pull the trigger before then. But next week will be when someone famous dies for sure, which will spook our American Idol country into lockdown. Stimulus so far has been a joke. Though I’m not sure we really need it if we lockdown.

  199. Libturd (breaking the echo chamber) says:

    Two republicans in congress have the hoax virus and scores of others now must quarantine. Wonder when we lock down?

  200. Chicago says:

    Ever had to post collateral or hit with a margin call?

    BoomerRemover says:
    March 18, 2020 at 9:25 pm
    Who is moving to cash across the board??!?! Certainly not Kyle.

    I would like to start deploying at these levels. I feel like a lot of the unknowns are being quantified.

  201. BoomerRemover says:

    “Ever had to post collateral or hit with a margin call?”

    Yes. I usually just delete and reinstall the RobinHood app with a different username.

    The best kinds of markets are ones where correlations across assets go to sh!t and you’re looking at pairs you know should move inverse and start second guessing yourself.

  202. njtownhomer says:

    The genious MIT nephew orange handled this as best as he could. Know his limits, just follow him on twitter and watch the FOX for instance. That is the best todays voting crowd could come up with. They too are limited capability people to comprehend and and ready to be governed by their kin.

    By Jun, the precautions, lockdowns will slow the whole issue but the damage will be done. The hospitals would be filled up many times and there will be a lot of media stories. I fear there would be so many human tragedies will take place.

    Hopefully the human damage will be moderate, but the scare and hysteria will kill mom and pop shops, small businesses, low-wage workers, tourism and restaraunt industry. Along with that the dollarization of the cash flow will be eminent before big countries come to terms with a tokenized cashless currency other than dollars.

    Economy, trust, finance will be severely damaged as we go thru the depression. The biggest we will ever see in our lifetimes.

    I fear by Sep, Oct the virus will mutate and review with winter. That would be the worst scenario. For that god save us. Orange or Sleepy. They both are the same. Clowns to a system that bail out themselves and have no ethical principles.

  203. BoomerRemover says:

    My sister in law just closed on a 3,750sq ft monument to her greatness in the PHX metro. Ink just dried and they’re wondering what kind of documentation they’ll need to move between quarantine zones as they schlep their junk from San Jose.

    She is a Google contractor and out of her fkn mind.

  204. Hold my beer says:

    Italy had 475 die from the virus yesterday.

    Italy has more hospital beds per thousand people than we do and their hospital system is ranked 2nd in the world. The US is ranked 37th.

  205. Nomad says:

    JCer, where do you get the Elderberry and oregano oil. I would like to buy a reputable product, so many to choose from… TY

    Chi, what kind of cash: simple liquid bank account, brokered short term CDs, ST Treasuries. TY

    As time goes on and we get more info on this: Total Cases, Deaths, Recoveries, how much info do we need to get a reasonable guess as to how long this all lasts.

  206. Juice Box says:

    The Sanofi drug Plaquenil, there seems to be a run on the stuff as the hoarders are at it as well hitting up their doctors for presciptions since it can be used as it is a prophylactic.

    From a pharacy chain in LA….


  207. joyce says:

    It’s going to be very tough for them. (Not sure if this was posted before) I’m reading Italy has a very old population on average.

    According to a UN report in 2015, 28.6% of the Italian population was 60 years old or older (second in the world after Japan at 33%). This compares to South Korea, where 18.5% of the population is at least 60 years of age, ranking 53rd globally.

    The impact of this disparity is quickly shown in the analysis of coronavirus deaths in each county. In Italy, 90% of the more than 1,000 deaths occur in those 70 or older.

    By contrast, the outbreak in South Korea has occurred among much younger people. There, only 20% of cases have been diagnosed in those 60 years old and up. The largest affected group is those in their 20s, who account for almost 30% of all cases.

    Then there is gender. The gender split in COVID-19 cases worldwide is about 50-50, but there are gender differences in survival. According to data from the original outbreak in China, the overall death rate is 4.7% in men versus 2.8% in women — a whopping difference. Which is good news for South Korea, where 62% of cases occur among women.

    Smoking is another factor clearly associated with poor survival. Smoking rates are about the same between the two countries: 24% for Italians and 27% for South Koreans. But gender differences among smokers are widely different: In Italy, 28% of men versus 20% of women smoke, while in Korea, it is about 50% of men and less than 5% (!) of women.

    In other words, South Korea has an outbreak among youngish, non-smoking women, whereas Italy’s disease is occurring among the old and the very old, many of whom are smokers. (We do not know the male-female breakdown of Italy’s cases).

    These basic demographic distinctions explain the difference in death rates between these two hard-hit countries — as well as helping to explain why Seattle, with its nursing home outbreak, accounts for such a large proportion of US coronavirus deaths.

    Hold my beer says:
    March 19, 2020 at 8:44 am
    Italy had 475 die from the virus yesterday.

    Italy has more hospital beds per thousand people than we do and their hospital system is ranked 2nd in the world. The US is ranked 37th.

  208. Juice Box says:

    Italian’s live multi-generational in their homes, they young were bringing it home and infecting their parents and grandparents, hense the higher death rate of the elderly there.

  209. Juice Box says:

    No shortage yet on FDA website for drug tracking of Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil).

    You can still buy it online too it seems.

  210. Juice Box says:

    “The European Union is urging Netflix and other streaming platforms to stop showing video in high definition to prevent the internet from breaking under the strain of unprecedented usage due to the coronavirus pandemic.”

    Breaking? It’s not a tube CNN.

  211. Fast Eddie says:

    Italy had 475 die from the virus yesterday.

    Italy has more hospital beds per thousand people than we do and their hospital system is ranked 2nd in the world. The US is ranked 37th.

    Are you saying that we should be in Italy or here? And if the US “system” is so bad, why do so many come here for treatment?

  212. Juice Box says:

    More on treatment or failed trials. As I said the Chinese aren’t squeamish about injecting infected patients.

    HIV drug combo fails as treatment for severe COVID-19 in China study.

    March 18 (Reuters) – A pill containing two HIV drugs that was touted as a potential treatment for the novel coronavirus was not effective, according to a study released late on Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine.

    A test in Chinese patients with severe COVID-19 disease found the 99 who received AbbVie Inc’s Kaletra, a combination of lopinavir and ritonavir, fared no better than the 100 who received standard care.

    People who received the combination showed small gains in the time to clinical improvement and mortality at 28 days, but the differences were not statistically significant. People on the drugs showed clinical improvement after a median of 15 days compared to 16 days with standard care, a difference the researchers characterized as “significant, albeit modest.”


  213. JCer says:

    Eddie, I don’t think it will matter. Both France and Italy have excellent healthcare, and they are having serious issues with this virus. I don’t kid myself in think the US will do better. Hospital beds per capita and respirators per capita, I’d think would be the most important metric. The treatment of this virus is supportive so it is very well understood medicine that any emergency room doctor is capable of providing. The other factor is the effectiveness of the triage, the doctors/hospital workers essentially decide who dies and who they try to save if that is not done well the death rate will go up.

    Korea has fared better as they too are treating severe cases with Chloroquine, I think it maybe a game changer reducing the number of folks requiring life support, taking some of the strain off the medical system. I think Remdesivir will work even better they just need to get it produced fast and we may have hope of getting this under control.

  214. Juice Box says:

    EU law on NET Neutrality says ISPs can rate control, to ensure network integrity why aren’t they doing it, are they afraid to hurt someone’s feelings?

    ISPs are prohibited from blocking or slowing down of Internet traffic, except where necessary. The exceptions are limited to: traffic management to comply with a legal order, to ensure network integrity and security, and to manage congestion, provided that equivalent categories of traffic are treated equally. The provisions also enshrine in EU law a user’s right to be “free to access and distribute information and content, run applications and use services of their choice”. Specific provisions ensure that national authorities can enforce this new right.

  215. homeboken says:

    Hello fellow-WSB’r

    BoomerRemover says:
    March 19, 2020 at 12:37 am
    “Ever had to post collateral or hit with a margin call?”

    Yes. I usually just delete and reinstall the RobinHood app with a different username.

    The best kinds of markets are ones where correlations across assets go to sh!t and you’re looking at pairs you know should move inverse and start second guessing yourself.

  216. Juice Box says:

    Margin calls folks, it’s the great deleverage of 2020, CASH is king until it isn’t.


    We can expect to see somewhat of a reversal, the great buy signal of 2020. Hopefully we all will profit from it, that is if the markets aren’t closed first. I fully expect that they will be closed as these of the losses mean the death AKA “poverty” of many formerly wealthy and but still influential.

  217. Hold my beer says:

    Fast Eddie

    If you’re rich or at least affluent we have great health care if you aren’t our care is towards the bottom of the developed world at a much higher cost.

    Also pointing out that Italy had more beds and equipment per thousand people and they are overwhelmed because skeptics will just scoff and call it socialized medicine without looking at beds and ventilators per thousand people.

  218. Hold my beer says:

    DW news is showing videos of military trucks lining up to haul the dead away from a city in Italy because the mortuaries and crematoriums are overflowing

    The governor of Lombardy is asking for retired doctors and nurses and medical students to come help.

  219. Juice Box says:

    Beer – re: Italy has more hospital beds per thousand”.They don’t need beds an army cot will do, they need ventilators. That is why they are not putting the the older folks on ventilators. Socialized medicine triage…. prioritizing children over adults, and young adults over older adults.

    There are just four ventilator companies in all of Europe, a place of 400 million people. The Italian one Siare has short-term goal is to double production from 250 a month to 500 ventilators a month and higher if possible and the Army has sent engineers to help.

    China due to their belt and road partnership which Italy endorsed in September has sent plane loads of ventilators to Italy.


  220. BoomerRemover says:

    Hah. I actually made my first trade in person, in a Dime savings bank back in the 90’s. I also remember cutting out of class to watch Boots&Coots fluctuate wildly as the oil wells burned in the middle east. I was there, as a broke graduate, to witness Lehman and listened as Paulson did the in person post mortem at the UES YMCA. I am all cash across all accounts since early 2019 nursing this raging b0nr. Let’s [expletive] gooo!!

    Some of those kids YOLO everything and hit it big. I haz a family now, but $5,000 to $250,000 is a wild ride.

  221. Bystander says:

    Wow..nothing more to say.

    • Connecticut residents filed 30,000 unemployment claims between Friday and Monday; the state usually receives 3,000 to 3,500 per week.

    • New Jersey saw 15,000 applications on Monday, a one-day record.

  222. chicagofinance says:

    Uh….. do we have the makings of the next Pumps?

  223. Hold my beer says:


    Maybe it is pumps under a different name

  224. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    fire up the printing presses.

  225. BoomerRemover says:

    Pumps is an imbecile. My feelings are hurt.

  226. Libturd, exhibiting downward pressure, like with a plunger says:

    Roaring 20s 2.0 maybe refererred to DJIA 20,000?

  227. chicagofinance says:

    It’s only a matter of time before this place gets re-discovered…. I realize that is why this blog is functioning so much better.

  228. Juice Box says:

    History Rhymes again…

    Cash for Trash, make sure you are settling in Dollars not Renminbi or Euros…

    Swap Lines Underscore the Dollar’s Global Role AS THE ONLY RESERVE CURRENCY!

    The Federal Reserve said on Thursday it would establish a temporary program to help lend dollars to nine central banks to alleviate ongoing strains in financial markets.

    The Fed on Sunday already announced it would adjust a program with five other foreign central banks to make U.S. dollars available overseas at near-zero interest rates and for periods of up to 84 days to ensure markets don’t run short of currency outside of the U.S.

  229. Juice Box says:

    Chi – are you trying to intentionally summon the beast?

  230. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Basically every person I talk to has been having trouble convincing their parents of age 60 and up to not go off shopping.

  231. Fast Eddie says:

    ChiFi or anyone:

    Why would PEP be down $0.67 and HSY be up $7.16 today? Isn’t this basically the same sector?

  232. JCer says:

    We don’t mention you no who, it just makes me think of in Ghostbusters when they choose the destruct-or………. he won’t show up because he was “wrong” in his call or at least I hope. He seemed to enjoy the abuse and mockery.

    On elderberry Sambucol syrup is one of the more reliable products, nature’s way was originally their distributor so their product(sambucus) is good and essentially the same. Don’t get the gummies, they don’t work as well. Both of these are made in the EU, they are generally the most stringent on production. Oregano oil is pretty easy get it from any reputable company, whole foods carries it but you probably cannot get it at this point. 100% pure or cut 50/50 with olive oil is good, buy empty pill capsules, if 100% cut it at least 50/50 with olive oil(1/3 oregano oil and 2/3 olive oil is best) and put 4-6 drops in a pill take with water and food, you will feel burning in your stomach. The cut oregano oil also seems to be very effective on cold sores, use at the first sign of a cold sore and most times it will be gone in 2 days or less.

  233. Libturd, knows you can't spell nice without ICE says:

    I called my parents a week ago and couldn’t get my mom to stay out of the public. And my parents are in their 80s!

  234. Hold my beer says:

    Fast Eddie

    Soda is a luxury. Chocolate is essential

  235. Fast Eddie says:


    Soda is minuscule in PEP’s portfolio but I get your point to a degree. Still doesn’t make sense to me.

  236. Juice Box says:

    re: “Basically every person I talk to has been having trouble convincing their parents of age 60 and up to not go off shopping.”

    Boomers and the Silent generation are the ones who really need to be quarantined in the first place, worst case infection scenarios say 4 million of them die from this.

  237. Juice Box says:

    More cash for trash.

    Pitch to buy 1/2 the corporate debt from BOA.

    If the Fed wants to really save wall st they need to now buy all the corporate debt soon to be downgraded to junk.

    “Mikkelsen estimates $4.5 trillion of investment-grade bonds that could be eligible for purchase if the Fed starts buying corporate debt.”


  238. chicagofinance says:

    Impossible to know without knowing more in-depth… if HSY is 1/10 the market cap of PEP and there was a massive hedge fund liquidation yesterday. HSY is a hedge fund preference, so maybe there is a reloading….. I understand your point though…

    Fast Eddie says:
    March 19, 2020 at 1:54 pm
    ChiFi or anyone:

    Why would PEP be down $0.67 and HSY be up $7.16 today? Isn’t this basically the same sector?

  239. chicagofinance says:

    All the hedgie type stuff is up big green today….. PEP is being dragged along with the XLP….

  240. Hold my beer says:

    My parents aren’t going anywhere. They have about 4 weeks of food in the pantry and are ordering delivery from the local grocery store and amazon. They knew people who were damaged by polio or had relatives die from chicken pox. They are not happy with all the people from NYC and north jersey who went to the beach houses and have brought the virus with them. The first positive case in cape May county was a New Yorker

  241. Libturd, the Master Beta says:

    I hate DeBlazio, but his speech today was one hundred times a stronger speech than anything our POTUS has ever uttered in his life. Well, besides, “You’re fired.”

    Body bags coming.

  242. NJGator says:

    This week Lib spends $300 at Fairway and agrees with Bill DeBlasio.

    The end is nigh.

  243. Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls. says:

    Does anyone know a good divorce lawyer who was recently tested?

  244. leftwing says:

    Hey y’all good to see the blog back!

    Some random electric firings from the base of the brain stem….

    First, thanks Grim.

    Chi, bummer on the NCAA season…..was Red’s year. Feel for those boys, especially seniors across all sports. Been a while since chatting….I made it up to the Harvard game, was really looking forward to Regionals and Frozen Four. Oh well.

    Lib, saw you at the NJYHL playoffs. Was going to wander over and say hello, but you didn’t look too happy (not surprising given the circumstances). Your boy looked good though. Too bad, even these players lost a shot at Nationals.

    Markets….lol…..First, whoever is on RH please get yourself a real brokerage before it blows you up…it is not a trading platform, it is a (broken) toy for children….

    Stocks, beware the dead cat bounce. Will happen, and will be a bad head fake before the final blowout. No predictions, I draw the same lines as everyone else but, being something of a simple man I use straightforward logic….In December 2018 we were in a market with a certain set of earnings expectations, a certain multiple, and a good economic outlook. Then the Fed indicated a slight tightening that *may* indicate an economic slowdown and we went down to 2350.

    Seems to me that now the earnings outlook and multiple are lower than then and we are locked for a major economic slowdown. How is it that we aren’t below that 2350 level from back then? Personally, I’m still ST trading after liquidating last summer – max horizon went from weeks, to days, to hours – and I won’t hop in hard until I see at least 2100, firm and sustained. Or a sustained turn. But that’s just me.

    The Orange one, lol, nothing has or will change. Bernie got kind of fcuked again, first with no follow through from Iowa because of indecisive delayed results from software a teenager could code (provided by a Clinton backed company no less) and then with the entire Dem establishment lining up against him right before Super Tuesday. Will be interesting to see how Klobuchar and Mayor Pete are repaid in a Joe Administration…

    Deadly virus that affects only the right hand side of the distribution curve, killing Great Generation and first line Boomers? What a lotto for the Millennials….move into dead Grandma’s house and use the cash inheritance to repay the student loans while unburdening themselves of paying for Medicare/SS. Win-win-win! Nice societal reset.

    Stubborn 82 year olds? My dad thinks it smart last Friday to go down to his club for the fish fry and to substitute in a card game because her partner is sick…smh…can’t argue or worry any more. They do what they do.

    Me, I’m heading to a hot, sunny beach on Saturday. I learned after Sandy there is absolutely no reason to sit at this lat and longitude during any kind of social disturbance. Life’s too short, although I can honestly say I could really like this state if were this depopulated all the time….Anyway, stay safe and healthy!

  245. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    If you actually look at a video of the Wuhan market…it’s the worst friggin science experiential you can think up.

  246. No One says:

    I miss the old Libturd, before he fell in love with Bernie. Sure Trump sucks, but so have all other offered candidates.

    I had a laugh watching Bloomberg TV’s ad for “Bloomberg Green” describing “climate change” as “the crisis of our generation”. Enjoy your plunging CO2 emissions, greenies.

  247. Fabius Maximus says:

    First post back and hit the naughty filters. Not much changed them.

    Did Grim block “Are we great yet Gary!”

  248. Fabius Maximus says:

    Are we great yet Gary?

    What all you market mavens seem to be forgetting is that we have Quadruple Witching tomorrow, the Vig has got to be paid and many have to buy to cover.

    Took a trip to Restaurant Depot today. I didn’t really need much, at this point I am buying to give to others, but wanted to get a view of the Supply Chain. Veg for the most part was good. Meat was at about half capacity with no pork loin, and low on a lot of the cheap cuts but still in stock. Low and rationing bottled plain water, but Perrier and San Pellagrino available. Cleaning supplies are low. No toilet paper or gloves which is most worrying for the restaurants .

    Dropped off a load of the veg to a friend who is now self quarantining. Their direct co-worker tested positive today. They have a week and a half of quarantine ahead. We are all going to get this at some point, we now get to control when.

    Fab family is all set. The only thing I’ll really run out off is fresh milk mid next week and todays fresh veg should last to next weekend. After that, unless I can restock, then its on to frozen veg and European UHT milk and canned condensed.

    What brought me back here today, was all those discussions I had back in the day with Eddie Ray on his “Nompound”. Even in the light of these events, its a really dumb idea. High Net worth individuals locked behind closed doors with Guns, Gold and limited supplies. I always said I would be the one standing outside selling canned butter to Clot.

    Soc1alism is the only way forward. Share with others, look after each other and pay it forward.
    Stay safe

  249. grim says:

    We’re pumping out hand sanitizer now.

    Really tough to find small plastic bottles, we got our hands on 3000 today.

    Challenge is, they all come from China, so stock everywhere is depleted.

  250. ExEssex says:

    Neighbor is convinced this was/is a manufactured virus.

  251. Juice Box says:

    Grim – Skull and Crossbones as the logo?

  252. grim says:

    Mother Nature is way more creative at fucking with us than we are.

  253. Juice Box says:

    Fked up..

    Flight #IB6453 inbound from Madrid was reportedly empty enroute to pickup Spanish nationals for return to Spain. The flight was denied landing and diverted to Quito.

    look what they did….


  254. Juice Box says:

    Fab- without the name calling.

    re:”market mavens seem to be forgetting” As if..

    “Also Fab family is all set.”

    I wish you and yours well and no I won’t sell my plasma to you.


  255. Juice Box says:

    Real estate discussion time.

    Most leases contain Force Majeure clauses allowing no rent with forced closures due to govt action weather events. Most strip malls with Starbucks for example.

    Anyone got a real estate fix on this?

  256. Fabius Maximus says:


    Not quite sure what nerve I touched there? What are you long and what are you short?

    Tomorrow will be the day of Reckoning form many Hedge Funds. VIX will be fun to watch. And come Market close a few Mortimer Dukes

    Thanks for the offer of the Plasma, but my blood type is rare so all I can do is to continue to donate and hope it comes back to me when I need it.

  257. Fabius Maximus says:


    Not quite sure what nerve I touched there? What are you long and what are you short?

    Tomorrow will be the day of Reckoning form many Hedge Funds. VIX will be fun to watch. And come Market close a few Mortimer Dukes

    Thanks for the offer of the Plasma, but my blood type is rare so all I can do is to continue to donate and hope it comes back to me when I need it.

  258. grim says:

    From FXStreet:


    he Trump administration is asking state labor officials to delay releasing the precise number of unemployment claims they are fielding, an indication of how uneasy policymakers are about further roiling a stock market already plunging in response to the coronavirus outbreak.

    In an email sent Wednesday, the Labor Department instructed state officials to only “provide information using generalities to describe claims levels (very high, large increase)” until the department releases the total number of national claims next Thursday.

    The email, which was shared with The New York Times, noted that the reports were monitored closely by financial markets and should therefore remain embargoed. “States should not provide numeric values to the public,” wrote Gay Gilbert, the administrator of the department’s Office of Employment Insurance.

  259. Nomad says:


    If you have friends in the pharmacy business, they may be able to get you bottles (plastic or glass). They may buy things like cough syrup in bulk and then fill small bottles for patients. I don’t remember if most pharmacies buy direct from Owens Brockway or if they go through their distributors: Cardinal, Amerisource Bergen, McKesson.

    Lots of inferior crap online, here is one that might work.


  260. grim says:

    Some interesting discussion about whether or not veterinarians and technicians in the veterinary field already have coronavirus antibodies due to routine exposure to other types of coronaviruses in animals.

  261. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    Anyone notice the “election interference” charges against the Russian troll farm were quietly dropped this week?

    Millions of dollars, 2+ years of government gridlock and phony investigations and no relevant charges. Then we got the impeachment hoax launched by Obama hacks on the NSC.

    Don’t buy the fake news line and lets not forget who abandoned any attempt st responsible governance and decided to launch a never ending series of hoaxes intended to undermine the democratic process.

  262. Bystander says:

    The Orange buffoon at work. He claimed unemployment during Obama was as high as 40%. Now, he does not want truth known.

    n an email Wednesday, the Labor Department told state officials they needed to hold off on releasing the exact number of unemployment claims they are receiving amid the accelerating COVID-19 coronavirus pandemic, The New York Times reports.

    The Times obtained a copy of the email, which says that until the Labor Department releases the total number of national claims next Thursday, state officials should only “provide information using generalities to describe claims levels (very high, large increase)” and “not provide numeric values to the public.”

  263. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    Where is all the amazing preparedness that was created when Obama put a pandemic tsar on the NSC?

    Oh that’s right, there was none it was another political operative out in a key position.

  264. 30 year realtor says:


    Let me guess, you were formerly known as Gdblsu45?

    The never ending series of hoaxes intended to undermine the democratic process? I know the answer, Donald Trump!

  265. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    Don’t fool yourselves. Democratic allegiance to political correctness and identity politics would have prohibited them from banning travel from China. Joe said it was “xenophobic”. They still champion open borders. Our safety is a non issue
    to them when there is an election to win.

  266. Friday BoomersBeWuhan says:


    Look into manufacturing what you need. That is the future. You might have the seeds in your hand to build a nice little conglomerate. So look for bottle, cans, carton boxes (remember the Dell 1 Gallon Milk Cartons) manufacturing equipment.

    Conglomerate business structures are very popular in the 3rd world because there is no business infrastructure (sort of where the USA is now). So if you want to make Liquor, you got to make your own bottle. Or if you are in construction, you got to make your own bricks, concrete,etc.

    Highly recommend everyone here stops with the financialization of house and other paper assets and use their investment $ and put to work in something real.

  267. Fast Eddie says:

    Where is Joe Biden, by the way? Is he still preaching open borders and xenophobic rhetoric or did his care takers draw up a new narrative? Is he napping? Eating his oatmeal wearing a bib? Out for a walk in the garden? Can you imagine him at the helm during this storm?

  268. deadconomy says:

    When are people jumping in to buy stocks?

    Anyone expect a drop in housing?

  269. grim says:

    Depends on how many boomers die

  270. juice box says:

    What is with the the quarantined celebrities singing about a world with no possessions? From their mansions no less?

    There will be blood.

  271. Bystander says:


    All the stimulus has been keeping barbarians at bay last two days but what is the point of being flush with cheap cash and ready with product if consumer will be unemployed, sick or dead?

  272. FakeNewsHoax says:

    Biden is busy making backroom deals with China to enrich his family members.

  273. Juice Box says:

    Sorry Fab was in a few drinks in last night. The financial toll for me is negligible, 401k mostly as my perceptions are both a strength and a curse. I have plenty of dry powder on the sidelines and I am not convinced “we are here yet” as the layoffs have only begun.

    Update on school, another week added to the closing so far, so kids will be home until at least April 13th. We are doing google classroom, teachers are getting paid but not attempting to teach on hangouts, tutor won’t come by now or even attempt to teach do over face-time etc. My niece a teenager and is home with her family still has no coursework yet from her upstate NY school.

  274. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    Juice, the new mantra from the wokists is that virtual schooling is inequitable. Expect it to be banned in nj soon.

  275. 30 year realtor says:

    How isn’t possible that a Trump supporter can make accusations of nepotism? Blind and brain dead?

    If Biden were out front second guessing the actions of the federal government during this crisis, what would your criticism be?

    How is it possible for Trump supporters to be totally blind to the stupidity that falls from Trump’s lips on a daily basis?

  276. 30 year realtor says:

    As for real estate, in this environment I could locate estate sellers and offer fast cash closings. Estate sellers are more likely to accept steep discounts. Trouble is that there is no way to accurately factor how long the hold time would be or what value to put on the property.

  277. Hold my beer says:


    I ordered Yerba santa tea yesterday from two different sellers on amazon. I’ve learned that if there’s something on amazon you want that is sold by a 3rd party vendor better order from multiple sellers. I’ve had 3 recent instances with Sellers marking stuff as shipped without loading a tracking number, then a few days after it was supposed to arrive they mark it as damaged in transit. I think one of the teas is prime so I have more confidence it will arrive

  278. Hold my beer says:

    To stretch our paper towel supplies I ordered a pack of microfiber towels from amazonbasics. They are 12×16 inches. I figure everyone gets their own towel and it will get changed at least once a day and just wash and reuse them. Ive been using skoy products for over a year to wipe counters down and as a sponge replacement. Hoping the towels work just as well.

    Fresh meats, flour, tortillas are still impossible to get right now. Did score Dr Pepper last night.

  279. 3b says:

    Time to bring back critical products such as pharmaceuticals and basics like sanitizer and surgical masks back from China. And time to finally control the borders. In my parents day when they immigrated all were tested for TB if you had it you were not allowed in. As for real estate houses in the low 400s were selling along with eye popping numbers on other houses here and there. Mc mansion building still going on but quite a few sitting. And when they do sell I don’t know who is buying them along with the 25k a year property tax bill.

  280. Bystander says:


    My new neighbors..both working. Let’s see if that holds up after this event. How many households can hold on if one of the ‘power couple’ gets their papers. Always prepare to survive on one income.

  281. Juice Box says:

    3b – Prestige Ameritech in Texas for the N95 respirators.

    Owner says once this crisis is over those buying will go back to the cheap stuff, that are sold below his cost to make them.

    ” The last time the country faced a comparable mask shortage was during the 2009 H1N1 outbreak. To meet increased demand, Prestige Ameritech hired hundreds of new employees and expanded its manufacturing capabilities. But after the outbreak died down, Bowen says that most hospitals that had relied on Prestige Ameritech went back to Chinese suppliers, which typically sell masks and respirators for less than it costs him to produce.”


  282. homeboken says:

    Come on 30 yr, I know from reading your posts here for the better part of a decade, that you are smarter than this statement.

    Cant you see the difference between nepotism within private industry and nepotism while in charge of the public treasury and influence?

    Private citizens passing wealth, knowledge and influence to their kin is a biological trait. Enriching yourself on the public tit is something very different.

    Disclaimer – I am not a die hard Trumper, I didn’t even vote for him last time. But how can I possible even consider voting for a man with advanced dementia?

    30 year realtor says:
    March 20, 2020 at 9:25 am
    How isn’t possible that a Trump supporter can make accusations of nepotism? Blind and brain dead?

  283. Juice Box says:

    homeboken- All that liberal fantasy last year about pulling an Article 25 on Trump is going to come home to roost if Biden gets the nod.

    And now all this talk that he will most definitely have a female running mate? Is it going to be the one and only Golden Girl from Chicago?

  284. 3b says:

    Juice that’s the sad part. If it costs more here to produce critical items than fine let’s pay it, and not be crippled by and reliant on a brutal totalitarian dictatorship.

  285. Phoenix says:

    “But how can I possible even consider voting for a man with advanced dementia?”

    And how could a party put someone up like this? Is that really the best candidate they could come up with?

  286. Dink says:

    Curious is you Biden has dementia people has ever heard Donald Trump speak? He bungled a teleprompter speech to the nation under the most dire of circumstances. He can barely string together a coherent sentence. You Trumpers are demented people who are a danger to this country. We’d be better off if you all quarantined yourselves from the public sphere for a while whether or not you have a fever.

  287. 3b says:

    Bystander True. But even modest houses in this area require two incomes in many cases. And if the one income is lost, than it’s a problem, but at least there is the ability to turn it around. But with those mega houses and property taxes I don’t know what people would want to live with that uncertainty.

  288. 3b says:

    It’s pretty sad Trump is President and the alternative is Biden. Bernie and his movement ain’t going away, and eventually the young people are going to tear the present structure down.

  289. Juice Box says:

    3b – A new paradigm is here and it isn’t good for New Jersey real estate. You simply no longer need to live anymore for work.

    I was kidding in my first post when Grim restarted his blog. I did not sell my house but now I am wishing I did.

  290. Juice Box says:

    live here I mean….lol

  291. Juice Box says:

    Dink – You are not reading between the lines correctly. Many of us here are completely against the boomers running things anymore. Age limits for Politicians, mandatory retirement at 67…They all need to go and they may feet first if mother nature has anything to say and apparently she does.

  292. Fast Eddie says:

    Is that really the best candidate they could come up with?

    You mean the guy who won Super Thursday?

  293. Fast Eddie says:

    He bungled a teleprompter speech to the nation under the most dire of circumstances.

    Did you ever listen to Oblammy without a teleprompter? Speaking of, is Quid Pro Joe O’Biden going to pick a black woman as his running mate and tell us she’s a clean black woman the same way he described Oblah blah?

  294. 3b says:

    Juice you no longer need to live anymore for work?

  295. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    At what point can they just say…mortgage payments can be suspended and your mortgage now converts to a 30 year and 2 month mortgage? I mean Fannie owns nearly all the mortgages anyway.

  296. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Update on school, another week added to the closing so far, so kids will be home until at least April 13th. We are doing google classroom, teachers are getting paid but not attempting to teach on hangouts, tutor won’t come by now or even attempt to teach do over face-time etc. My niece a teenager and is home with her family still has no coursework yet from her upstate NY school.

    Juice, my system right now is that I give my classroom lessons that I would have in video form that I’ve posted on youtube in 5 to 8 minute clips. I have all my equipment at home and do demos on video as well. I give them supplemental reading sources and problems to solve. I do 2 hours of office hours for students who want help. Every school is different and I’m going a little beyond marching orders by teaching new material. Many schools were told…review only, no new material. Most had no plan going into this and didn’t start to think about it until last week. My students have responded positively so far and say it’s been working.

  297. Mike S says:

    Don’t bail out companies, don’t bail out consumers. Don’t have 6-12 months of savings? Not my problem, amazon, ups, fedex, supermarkets are all hiring… go find another job.
    I could be laid off and not work for many years if I had to. I am waiting for a bigger downturn in stocks and then time to go shopping. Did pick up some oil related names on the ‘lows’ – I don’t know how much lower they can go, but I am sure in 10 years it will be a nice profit…

  298. Hold my beer says:

    It would be nice if people cared more about issues and candidates than who was being released or signed by their local pro teams.

    The next time you hear a sports fan going on in great details about rosters ask them to name his mayor, or a member of his town council, who represents them
    In their state legislature or even who their congressman or senator is. It would a miracle if they know two of them. Yet they can probably name every relief pitcher on their team and who the back up long snapper is.

  299. Bystander says:

    Dementia? You mean like Reagan’s second term. Orange buffoon can’t pronounce corona virus or origins yet Biden has mental problems. Also, I guess having your kids get top level clearance as well as ability to negotiate global agreements is not nepotism. Ya know, she sold designer bags and he did..ummm. Give us a break.

  300. Juice Box says:

    Blue – Modern history teaches us that during the Great Recession, policy-makers followed a very different strategy than what had been done previously throughout hard times, when harvests failed and plagues killed off large populations and wars decimated the world. Last time policy makers decided underwater homeowners would be left drowning, with no meaningful assistance.

  301. 30 year realtor says:


    Did you fail to notice that Trump is president of the United States? That his children and their spouses are in both private business and in his administration? The Trumps have brought nepotism at the public’s expense to a level previously unknown.

  302. 30 year realtor says:

    Nobody knew this was coming? I guess those 4 senators who dumped all that stock had a clue. The smoking gun that proves Trump knew, lied to the public and did not take appropriate action is coming. Only a matter of time.

  303. Juice Box says:

    30 yr – Problem is regulatory capture here, makes it “legal”.

    The 1967 the Federal Anti-Nepotism Statute was introduced to stifle the practice (due to Kennedy appointing his brother Bobby to run the DOJ and effectively shield him and his administration). The DOJ ruled on Trump’s Inauguration day (career lawyers not Lorreta Lynch) that it does not apply to the White House, due to a Carter Era law in 1978 that supposedly exempted the White House from the 1967 law.

    Modern History shows however it is not applied evenly in most cases involving the White House, including when Clinton appointed his wife to head up health care reform, there was no review as nobody cared because the perhaps felt Billy Boy needed the ability to give Hillary some busy work to get her out of his hair and affairs.

  304. Hold my beer says:

    New York State is going into lockdown . Cuomo just ordered it. Now has over 7,100 cases. If doubled every 3 or 4 days like Italy will have 30,000
    Cases next weekend and hospitals will be overwhelmed .

  305. ExEssex says:

    Tired of all this winning? Dump Trump.

  306. Juice Box says:

    News flash another Trillion dollar bailout coming? Federal student loan payments can be suspended for 60 days with no penalty.

    Hummm,….No standardized testing standards for children in the U.S. for this school year.

    Who can afford college now anyway?

  307. Juice Box says:

    On the Senators selling stocks early. Nothing to see here the Senate Ethics Committee will investigate LOL!

  308. ExEssex says:

    The president of the United States is a menace to public health.


    I don’t mean that I disagree with him on policy, although I do. I don’t mean that I abhor the president’s expressed bigotry toward religious and ethnic minorities, although that is also true. I am not referring to Donald Trump’s efforts to corrupt the Justice Department, shield his criminal associates from legal peril, or funnel taxpayer money to his tacky hotels and golf courses, although all of these things are reason enough to oppose the president.

  309. JCer says:

    30 Trump is a bad politician, he was trying to do what needed to done, people need to be calmed but that is not something Trump does, he has the opposite effect on people. The senators dumping stock were privy to all kinds of information, just based on information coming out of China and Europe the economic impact was going to be large. Trump is irredeemable, I’ll flat out say it but given the alternatives you are kidding yourselves that under Biden presidency or even if Obama were still the president that it would have been better, they wouldn’t have stopped the Chinese flights and it would have been worse. Trump’s xenophobia actually cause him to take appropriate action there. My suspicion is they were far more concerned about the economic impact than the health issue, which makes sense as it will impact far more people.

    As for the corruption Trump and all of his interlopers are one thing but his coke head son is collecting millions from what amounts to organized crime organizations in other countries. Truth be told Trump is legitimately a billionaire, I don’t know how many times over but he has a lot of money and no need to steal from the public coffers. Being the president has actually cost him a lot of money as he is so divisive his brand value is now nothing which was a huge cash cow bringing in millions from businesses he had absolutely nothing to do with.

    Biden already told everyone we cannot beat Trump, maybe a minute of lucidity or a Freudian slip.

    As for real estate when and if the unemployment comes into play property prices will decline, how much and how much of a backstop the government puts into place is the question. Frankly the metro area suburbs are not that expensive in real terms(especially with 3-4% 30 year fixed mortgages), the property taxes are another animal. I work to pay property tax, if not for the property taxes I pay before the market crash I probably had enough retirement savings to retire without changing my lifestyle! Property tax makes up 1/4 of my annual expenses.

  310. Juice Box says:

    From a lofty tower, comes great blindness.

    A soon to be unemployed associate professor and won’t bother educatin her kids.


  311. 30 year realtor says:

    Is anyone watching the performance at this press conference?

  312. Juice Box says:

    The fear I hear in people’s voices and we attempt to conduct business on conference calls is now palpable and we are only in week one of the lockdown to save the locust generation!

    When do the road blocks go up in the neighborhoods and people being to realize like they did during Hurricane Sandy that the government will again fail them?

  313. BoomerRemover says:

    30 year,
    It’s cringe worthy. Petty, lashing out at reporters, going off on nonsensical rants, cutting off Pompeo.

  314. Juice Box says:

    Sheep go baaaaaaa!

    Poll: Majority of Americans now approve of Trump’s coronavirus management
    The uptick in the president’s ratings comes after the administration took a variety of new response measures over the past week.

    An ABC News/Ipsos poll released Friday reports that 55 percent of respondents approve of Trump’s management of the public health crisis, while 43 percent disapprove. The latest figures represent a boost in the president’s rating from the previous iteration of the survey, published one week ago, which showed only 43 percent approval for Trump and 54 percent disapproval.

  315. Fast Eddie says:

    The smoking gun that proves Trump knew, lied to the public and did not take appropriate action is coming. Only a matter of time.

    Yeah, you guys! Just wait until that Mueller report is released!

  316. Fast Eddie says:

    Democrats new strategy: Don’t flatten the curve! Don’t flatten the curve!

  317. ExEssex says:

    Yeats “the best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.”

  318. Fast Eddie says:

    …while the worst are full of passionate intensity.

    Impeach the motherf.ucker!

  319. 30 year realtor says:


    Your problem with the Mueller Report is that you didn’t read it. And if you say you read it, you clearly did not understand it.

    Did you watch the press conference? Was it perfect?

  320. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    Two other lol stories that broke while the blog shutdown.

    Ilhan Omar married a lobbyist after divorcing her baby daddy and her brother.

    Chris Matthews got me too’d. Everyone always said this movement would turn on itself the way every other witch-hunt has.

  321. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    Democrat party and the fake news spent three years doing nothing but undermining and sabotaging the administration and are now are complaining that the government isn’t working efficiently enough for them.

  322. 30 year realtor says:

    This may be the dumbest comment of all time!

    FakeNewsHoaxes says:
    March 20, 2020 at 1:34 pm
    Democrat party and the fake news spent three years doing nothing but undermining and sabotaging the administration and are now are complaining that the government isn’t working efficiently enough for them.

  323. 30 year realtor says:

    The problem with this country is the FAKE, HOAX, DEMOCRAT, CHINESE, KUNG FLU VIRUS!

    Why are people nervous? No leadership! No centralized direction!

  324. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    30 year, you might not like to hear it but the democrat party has not put forward any serious policies or politicians since trump became pres. Look at the losers elected in 2018. Their only agenda was impeachment.

  325. Juice Box says:

    30 year -latest poll says otherwise, or is it too soon to call the polls rigged?

    Baaaa, Baaaa I need more toilet paper, should I bring a peacemaker?

  326. Libturd says:


    Enough with the partisan crap. In the coming weeks, many of us will be burying a loved one or two. We are Italy to the tenth power. We are not immune. Trump vs. Biden, who the f cares.

    When I was in the hospital for nearly 18 months saving the D, politics didn’t mean a damn thing. All that mattered was saving my kid’s life.

    I went for a drive last night at 8 pm because the D loves cars and needed a break. We did not leave the car. We drove from GR, to Lambert Castle to admire the view and back. Route 3 was as empty as it would be at 2am in a normal time. People are starting to get it, thank god.

    Unfortunately, the rest of the country is 4 to 5 days behind us.

    Monday, when the number of infected jumps to 50K. I expect no change from the federal government’s response and increased corporate soc1alism. Until we are shut down as a country, not a penny into this market. I just hope the feds smarten up before there is no market to invest in.

    He might be an idiot at times and loves the spotlight as much as the next guy, but Bill is absolutely right this time.


  327. Libturd says:

    Would be very surprised if we close over 19.5 on the Dow.

  328. 30 year realtor says:


    Your comment is fake news.

  329. Juice Box says:

    Tard- I repect you and what you have been through but I am going to have to disagree about what Bill’s intentions are. He wants everything shutdown to save people? Not his book? His fund is loaded with Chipotle and Starbucks stocks. He wanted the markets shut down too when he says everything. Redemptions and margin calls are killing allot of wall st whales permanently. Even the biggest names such as Renaissance Technologies and Bridgewater have reported bad news to their investors.

  330. JCer says:

    Juice, my thoughts exactly. He is calling for a shutdown because of how his portfolio is constructed NOT public health. Most consumer companies outside the ones selling necessities are getting crushed.

    Chipotle keeps sending me ads for free delivery, free guac, etc. lets think about this should I trust a company that in the best of times cannot control norovirus outbreaks and salmonella to not give me COVID-19? Their sales are toast, and they are still on the hook for a lot of fixed costs including real estate and food inventory(they have contracts dictating fixed purchases).

    As for politics, the left/right paradigm is specter for the masses. It is a distraction, the extremely wealthy are empty the vaults out the back door while people fight over bathrooms, and a whole host of other issues that have little impact on the majority of people’s lives. They never present any kind of solutions because solutions don’t get voters only problems. The political system is irredeemable and I wasn’t kidding when I said we are like Italy. Basically we already have the circus clown president all we need are some congress critters who are former adult film stars, just wait for Congresswoman Stormy Daniels……….. What are the people to do neither side is going to change it any time soon

  331. JCer says:

    On a side note America is a huge country. The next course of action will be limiting interstate travel, that is how COVID got to a lot of the flyover states. I will say this strange times indeed but I actually think Murphy has done a decent job with COVID, which considering I think he’s been pretty terrible in his handling of everything else is strange.

  332. Trick says:

    Lib, your on target

  333. Libturd says:

    I appreciate all of your opinions. I just don’t agree with them. This market is doomed until we isolate ourselves. It’s already to late to stop the spread. We are Wuhan Province until we do so. Don’t see how we aren’t.

    I’m sure you all saw the mile long line of cars at BCC for testing and the fact they maxed out in 4 hours. At the current rate of increase, they will max out in one hour by Monday. I can’t believe you are all not in support of stopping the rapid spread of this disease which will overwhelm our healthcare system. We will be there by tomorrow in Hackensack says a friend of mine who works there. Also said they would pay $175 an hour to any recently retired or near licensed critical care nurses. This is just the beginning. It’s not about money at this point. It should be about ending the dilemma as short as possible and dealing with the financial aftermath later. But what do I know, I’m just a janitor who is going to retire much sooner based on our government’s continued inaction and lack of pro-activeness.

    One of my brother’s Rutger’s buddies (mid 50s) has it and gave it to his wife too. If you don’t lock in, you WILL get it. Good luck all.

  334. Fast Eddie says:


    So, Wuhan went from an out of control epidemic to no new cases in just a few weeks? How did they stop the slide? Or do we not believe them? And if this thing is so dire, then how did we survive 60,000,000 Americans getting the flu a few years ago? Me, being one of them.

  335. Hold my beer says:

    Fast Eddie

    They stopped it by dragging entire families into quarantine if one of them had tested positive and welding the apartment front doors shut of infected residents. They shut down everything including mass transit. Everyone wore masks. We are doing none of those yet. That’s why we have areas that will be worse than Wuhan and this will drag on for months

    Watch something else besides Fox News like skynews, or dw news and you will see footage from Wuhan and Italy. Maybe then you will comprehend how hard the nyc area is going to get hit in two weeks and why lib is so upset by the slow government response and lack of urgency by most people.

    Even your hero 45 admitted we will need tens of thousands more ventilators than we currently have.

    Watching those channels You will also see how Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore responses. They tested lots of people, did quarantines, and traced down contacts of infected people and tested them. We have done none of that.

  336. Libturd says:


    It is a police state. If the government says you may only have one child, you only have one child. If the government says you must isolate, people isolated. In this country, the moment they tell people to isolate, every store with anything edible in it will be overrun. We’ll be lucky if there won’t be riots. The government completely sealed Wuhan from surrounding provinces. I watched videos of mothers who worked outside of Wuhan and whose kids were quarantined drive right over guards and through temporary gates on Twitter. In Taiwan, which is already relatively isolated. Borders were sealed early and all cases were quarantined immediately anyone who made contact was immediately tested and isolated. All kids parents had to report their kids temperatures online to their teachers before letting them leave for school. In South Korea, they tested the sh1t out of nearly everyone.

    What are we doing here? We are telling people lies about our inability to handle this and praying for a medical cure. I’m telling you, this is going to be way worse than anything this country has every seen before. The death toll will be much higher here because we don’t have the capacity to treat this, let alone the normal ailments that hospitalize us. Ever been to an emergency room on a holiday? It is simply too late. Stay inside and protect yourselves, hopefully the crematorium doesn’t mix up the box of ashes containing your parents ashes with those of your neighbors. This is what is happening in Italy and they locked down. Numbers are still increasing there. They have second ranked hospital system in the world. We are 37th. Good luck with that. If I am wrong, we will be very lucky.

  337. Dink says:

    “And if this thing is so dire, then how did we survive 60,000,000 Americans getting the flu a few years ago? Me, being one of them.”

    This is the mentality of a Trump supporter and which is why I cannot say enough Trump droning on to his supporters that its just like the flu and not a concern will be the number one reason this will be worse that it had to be. Even though the majority of Americans know not to believe Trump his supporters are a cult and actually believe what he says. They do not take this seriously because Trump told them it wasn’t serious. This is the true Trump derangement syndrome and which is why he and his supporters are a public health menace.

    And Lib is absolutely right. Over the next few weeks everyone is going to know people who are infected. Our hospitals are no longer quarantining nurses who have been exposed to covid as long as they are not exhibiting symptoms due to critical shortage of staff. My advice is don’t get sick or injured and have to go to a hospital. Stay home.

  338. Bystander says:


    Off topic, sort of..did you buy that car?

  339. Fast Eddie says:


    Yes, I bought the car. Why?

  340. make money says:

    the world has gone mad…panic has gone viral. Do yourselves a favor, take ten minutes, read this and then lets discuss how it shoing to look on other end. We haev an I now…but not for long. Will the recovery look like an L, U, V or W?


  341. 30 year realtor says:

    My son called last night. His coworker who road to work in his car on Saturday has tested positive for the virus. He is on home isolation.

  342. Fast Eddie says:

    make money,

    Thank you for that article. All the rest of you: READ IT!!

  343. Hold my beer says:

    Fast Eddie

    Watch this on youtube and then compare it to the flu. Its by ABC news australia on Wuhan. It’s a horror show. Very graphic and disturbing content. And you will see how draconian China acted and why other developed asian countries took such aggressive measures and were proactive instead of reactive.

    Coronavirus: How the deadly epidemic sparked a global emergency | Four Corners

    DW news and skynews on youtube have lots of stories showing what’s happening in Germany, Italy, and Spain. They are a week to two weeks ahead of NYC in the epidemic cycle.

  344. ReadingtonDude says:

    30 year, it hurts a lot as it gets close to home. Our family has been on isolation after a close family friend tested positive (and is now on a ventilator in not very good shape.) I have two more days of isolation.

    Prayers all around.

  345. Libturd says:

    I can poke more holes in that article, than the average pincussion has. In skimming, the first one that stands out is when a Stanford scientist learned in statistics points out, “In the last two months since COVID-19 has been in the United States, 20 children have died from influenza; no children have died from COVID-19.” This is clearly deceptive and patently false. First, their were 15 cases of Covad-19 at the end of January. Of the traditional Flu (A & B) there were 17,763 cases. So to compare death rates it’s absolutely useless. This is obviously not science. This is poppyc0ck.

    Also, I nailed the closing on the Dow. Not an easy feat.

  346. Hold my beer says:

    Italy sets a new record with 627 deaths from corona today.

  347. JCer says:

    Lib, here is the issue Italy shut down….it didn’t work. Younger people in general and migrants did not follow the order and continued the spread. The chance of successfully locking everyone in was remote to begin with and the window for it was 2 weeks ago. My illustrious employer sent an email out last night that we had a COVID case in one of our offices, the person self quarantined on 3/12. Meanwhile that person probably spread the virus from 3/8-3/13 to god knows how many people given all the hoteling BS and compressed desks all of these cheap companies have gone to(we have people who 20 years ago had offices now sitting at glorified tables in the middle of a floor). Bigger thing is that they sat on it for a week until it was confirmed, how many other places have similar unreported cases.

    In a place like NYC it is nearly impossible to contain, people live in tiny apartments in close proximity to others, they never contemplated being trapped inside. I own an apartment in Jersey City and people are complaining the amenities are closed! It’s going to tear through big apartment buildings like a hot knife through butter. It’s already been in the Subway it’s game over at this point it’s been silently in NYC since late Feb. NYC is a horror show for a pandemic close it off restrict travel in and out of NYC.

    We need to slow it down a little at this point, more ventilators will help but the real answer is the drugs. My theory is the drugs are the only reason China is back to work, it shortens the duration, reduces transmission and reduces the severity of the illness allowing them to manipulate and lie about numbers and most importantly limits hospital stays. Remdesivir is really the best hope get the severe cases from 15%-5%, and get cases requiring a ventilators and supplemental oxygen below 1% which should allow the medical system to cope. The problem is getting it in use, getting it produced and distributed. Perhaps the Chlorquine is already available and can be deployed and will have a similar effect. We all better hope we can get better treatment available ASAP, the current supportive method puts the care back 50 years when people routinely died from infection.

    Prolonged lock down is not really an appealing option, the impact of the economy effectively being shut for only a quarter could put the world into a depression and given the nature of the economy they might kill the patient and no amount of fed printing will bring it back. At some point we will have to face the virus, 70% will get it, some will die. The only option is to get as prepared as we possibly can and slow the spread but the day will come when we have to go back out into the world.

  348. D-FENS says:

    Pistol permit cane in. Should I get the 9 or the 45?

  349. D-FENS says:

    Honestly I believe this virus has been here since December.

    Everyone in my family had this horrible coughing flu-like sickness that lasted 3 weeks and came with a fever.

  350. Big question says:

    Thin line between a genius and an idiot. Is now a good time to take out a heloc and throw in a 5 year bet on some stock positions? It’s a unique window of opportunity. Low rates and beaten down stocks. Am I crazy?

  351. ExEssex says:

    Eddie’s good people. I give him a hard time, but it’s out of ..

    Glad the board is back.

  352. 3b says:

    Apparently big news from Murphy tomorrow.

  353. A Home Buyer says:


    I agree even though the official timelines don’t line up. I had something for 5 days in late February that knocked me on my ass.

    I took 5 days sick time which I’ve never had to take more then a day or two for anything.

    It knocked out are entire office actually. We were down to 60% of staff at one point.

    Ive never had the flu though, so I can’t really compare to say one way or another. It’s just so coincidentally that it makes me wonder.

  354. Bystander says:

    In other news, Trump finally admits that his tax cut was a sham for the economy. Refreshing truth.

    The Republican president doubled down on his comments on Friday, when asked by a reporter during a news conference if the buybacks like those by Boeing and some airlines were a “deal breaker” for him.

    “I never liked stock buybacks from their standpoint. When we did a big tax cut, and when they took the money and did buybacks, that’s not building a hangar, that’s not buying aircraft, that is not doing the kind of things that I want them to do,” he said.

  355. Libturd says:

    JCer, I really hope you’re right. Mad respek too. But do you really feel the Chinese wouldn’t share that kind of information? This isn’t the 50s.

  356. Juice Box says:

    re: big news from Murphy tomorrow?

    You mean like closing the liquor stores? There will be riots!

  357. D-FENS says:

    Picked up another case of beer, vodka and rum. I’ll go through it anyways. My biggest problem now is they closed my town’s recycling center. WTF am I supposed to do with all of these beer cans?

  358. Hold my beer says:


    you can cut the tops off them and use the cans to plant the seeds of your victory garden

  359. Grim says:

    Alcohol was classified as essential in NYC.

    They aren’t idiots.

    I think we will start deliveries tomorrow.

  360. Hold my beer says:

    I’m guessing Italy style lockdown is Murphy’s big news. Cuomo keeps saying he’s working with the other governors so they can do the same thing for the region. He’s mentioned Connecticut, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Delaware as the region.

  361. 3b says:

    Lib The Chinese government will lie and steal and break any agreements they sign with any country. They covered up the coronavirus from the beginning. The Dems screaming about the Russians and not a peep about China the real enemy!

  362. B00m3rmeet SickleMan says:

    The descriptions below say it all. It really is a boomer remover. The sickly old take the hit. We are just getting started, every day 1 to 2 intubations. We are still learning the dance of doing it with all the protective equipment. Follow the math below please,

    A Home Buyer says:
    March 20, 2020 at 7:03 pm

    I agree even though the official timelines don’t line up. I had something for 5 days in late February that knocked me on my ass.

    I took 5 days sick time which I’ve never had to take more then a day or two for anything.

    It knocked out are entire office actually. We were down to 60% of staff at one point.

    Ive never had the flu though, so I can’t really compare to say one way or another. It’s just so coincidentally that it makes me wonder.

    P L U S

    D-FENS says:
    March 20, 2020 at 6:06 pm
    Honestly I believe this virus has been here since December.

    Everyone in my family had this horrible coughing flu-like sickness that lasted 3 weeks and came with a fever.


    2- Bull t8rds they let a lot o people died —We need to slow it down a little at this point, more ventilators will help but the real answer is the drugs. My theory is the drugs are the only reason China is back to work, it shortens the duration, reduces transmission and reduces the severity of the illness allowing them to manipulate and lie about numbers and most importantly limits hospital stays.

    -The issue is the amount of resources an elderly sick patient needing a ventilator or already on a ventilator requires. It is very very obvious to me now that what the chinese did is let the sick elderly go and triage to those with a fighting chance, and let nature do its thing with most people recovering within weeks.

    Well the Wuhan Virus is nature death panel at work.

  363. Boom3rsmeet SickleMan says:

    Every hospital administrators and intensivists will be forced to make the decision of the cut off point for sick elderly. These patients are in the ICUs, Long term Vent units or LTACH all the time and no one has to make a decision because resources meet demands.

    Now demand will exceed resources and are you really going to keep a physically frail, dementia, cardiac failure, stroke survivor, cancer survivor, name your illness, going as you throw everything and the kitchen sick on all type of assistive devices? Well this disease seems to push the “Expiration Button” real hard around 8th day+.

  364. ExEssex says:

    Salted Dark Chocolate caramel drops.

  365. Libturd, the Master Beta says:

    I had the flu in 97. It was a really bad year for it. I, like most, never had it before and didn’t get the vaccine. This particular flu kicked my ass. My bones ached so much I couldn’t get out of bed without first rolling off the bed to the floor and then getting up by getting on all fours. Then I could crawl to the bathroom, which I was constantly doing because of course I had diarrhea non-stop. When my fever approached 106 (it was 105.8), Gator took me to the hospital. They wouldn’t admit me though. Only if my fever was 108 they said. They gave me a sample of Celebrex and sent us home. Now the Celebrex was amazing when I took it, because my back pain went away. But it took my stomach to a place it’s never been before. I was essentially stuck on the toilet, with the chills and the fever and all, kind of dry heaving out my ass. That stuff does crazy stuff to your stomach. About two days later, I was back to normal. But I really felt like I was going to die.

  366. Juice Box says:

    Influenza B was kicking ass at my work in January. Sidelined quite a few people for days.

    Covid19 could have been around for months there was a young girl who died in January from Hoboken after being sent home, they said it was the flu.

  367. Fabius Maximus says:

    Darian CT. Not in my back yard!


    Darien officials had planned on hosting a drive-thru test collection site in the lower parking lot at Darien Town Hall, but abruptly canceled it a few hours after the announcement.

    The Darien Times reported that Darien canceled the effort after some residents near Town Hall complained on social media about the site’s proximity to their homes.

  368. Fabius Maximus says:

    Staying in CT,

    Gov Chrs Murphy

    “Trump can’t have it both ways.
    Either the federal government is going to manage the response and pay for it. Or it needs to pay the states to do it.
    States can’t borrow and run deficits.
    This is a NATIONAL emergency. Let’s start acting like it.”

    Isn’t this is what FEMA is for?

  369. Grim says:

    A colleague and I picked up something in Mumbai in Mid December, he was laid out, I felt like crap but was passable. Recovery for me sucked, I had a bad cough for a month and a half. Doc thought I was on the verge of pneumonia, I didn’t get chest X-rays, but ended up doing two courses of ABs that were not effective. I had a flu shot earlier in the year, and the flu swab was negative.

    Who knows?

  370. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I suspect that my wife and I may have both had it. In early Feb, both of us came down with a mystery illness. This was one week after tutoring a student who’s parents are FOB Chinese. They both were on their deathbeds in the house while I tutored him. A week later, we both had coughs, chills…and despite not feeling nausea in the stomach, we both ate nothing for 3 days straight that weekend Wasn’t overly terrible. Still completed all our daily activities. After we thought it passed, we had to rush home to the bathroom the next day. Two days after that, my wife complained of completely not being able to run because she had no breath. Both of my kids never showed anything. I’ll never know for sure though…but I wonder.

  371. D-FENS says:

    My prediction of Kamala Harris as the Democratic nominee still stands you just wait

  372. NJCoast says:

    My daughter and son in law’s brewery in the Hudson valley is thriving. Curbside pickup. People are hoarding beer like toilet paper. A guy from Long Island drove to pick up $700 of beer. They’re continuing to pay their tasting room employees while it is closed. Even bumped up their pay to help compensate the lost tips.
    The theatre who is my client has closed for the foreseeable future. The CEO sent out a letter asking for people to consider not asking for refunds for tickets and instead donating to the theatre. It’s a non profit theatre in the middle of a $26 million renovation/addition. This will be a knockout punch if the lockdown continues much longer. I feel bad for all the stagehands and loaders. They’re hourly workers and non union. They barely got by unless they worked overtime, which they did almost every week.

  373. NJ is haven’t started testing yet. Drive through testing centers in Paramus/BCE turned couldn’t handle many.

    NJ administered only 1240 tests as of 3/20 1PM. Below are the numbers for quick comparison

    State +ve / Test administered
    New York 8,403 / 32,427
    Washington 1,527/20,712
    California 1,250/11,487
    New Jersey 890/1,240
    Illinois 585/4,286
    Florida 563/3,416
    Michigan 552/2,618

  374. Fabius Maximus says:

    “Should I get the 9 or the 45?” Can I ask these questions, “What’s it for and why now? ”

    My 2A buddies are screaming that the State background check is taking more than a day to process purchases. They have also fired up that lawyers for any municipality that has said they are putting paper work on hiatus until this is over. For me this is why the 2A community will always lose me.

    The state processed 15000 unemployment applications on Monday, a new record. I haven’t seen the numbers for the rest of this week. I think its safe to assume it got worse. I would rather see the limited state resources processing those claims than background checks. Same on the muni side. I would rather see my PD resources preparing for the Sh1t Storm heading toward us than processing your precious paperwork.

    Applications fall in two categories, You either own and you are adding to the collection, or its a new application. If its a new app, think of it like looking for Toilet paper in the grocery store. You should have dealt with it weeks ago, at this point, wait and it will get her at some point.

    The answer to your actual question is 22. if you want to play with the others, bring the 22 to the range and rent.

  375. njtownhomer says:

    Re: 10:12 pm

    spent the Thanksgiving with wife and kids around Chinatown to catch the Macy’s Parade. Ate out, wondered about and stayed in a hotel right in the center Chinatown.

    On late Dec, wife had a lot of cough, flu like symptoms, had to delay her appointment. Then in mid Jan I had my worst flu ever, that took 2 weeks to pass last week with chills and used antibiotics.

    Who knows?

  376. Juice Box says:

    make money and the rest of this Motley Crew, we may have the answer on the real scale and spread of this virus soon.

    A new blood tests for antibodies that can be quickly scaled up and could show true reach of corona virus pandemic has been developed at Mount Sinai and being tested in NYC now. It is an ELISA test for antibodies in a sample of blood that trigger a simple color change when they recognize a target protein from Covid19.

    Developed by this amusing professor..



  377. Juice Box says:

    So I posted a poll earlier today and did not elicit much of a response and I started to wonder why with normally such a fiery bunch here.

    I thought this poll might ruffle some feathers, but it was met with little push back..”ABC News/Ipsos poll released Friday reports that 55 percent of respondents approve of Trump’s management of the public health crisis. ”

    Then I did a bit of additional poll research and found that the polling on the China and European travel bans have an 80% approval rating. When is the last time a poll for something like this had an 80% approval rating? I for the life of me cannot remember when anything had an 80% approval rating, it crosses the political divide in our country which these days is extremely rare.

    Then I also remembered Pelosi and crew were floating a bill to undo the Bad Orange Man’s wacist travel bans, the “No Ban Act” which until about a week ago was going to get some floor action in the house.

    Then I realized why and what is going on…it’s back again a hidden force know as cognitive dissonance. The same type of dissonance we have seen before during crisis situations.

    I will now link to another blog and a post that nice sums up on what I am thinking what is happening right now with the public and the polling and politics.

    The idea is the left is getting out-lefted by the Bad Orange Man. Believe it or not the the leaders of the party and candidates for president are getting out-compassioned by Bad Orange Man, and it is just another reason why they need to dump Biden and Berine and get some fresh blood in this race before it’s too damm late.


  378. JCer says:

    lib on china, they first tried to cover up the virus. Then they killed the whistle blowers, seems very convenient that a 34 year doctor who was drawing attention to the virus in December contracted it and died. I’m pretty sure he got it and they made sure he was never heard from again, either from neglect or actual malfeasance. They essentially since November/December have been trying any drug they can on people as human guinea pigs. A company already has been caught making Remdesivir(Gileads) drug illicitly, the government claimed no knowledge, I’m not buying it. The numbers report are total fiction they probably had closer to 1m cases and 30k dead. They brought is mobile incinerators to get rid of the bodies, if they only had 3k dead I’d doubt they’d need the mobile incinerators. Oh yeah so far they have tried to claim it was brought by the US army, and have threatened to withhold medical supplies in the middle of a pandemic! The ChiComs absolutely handled this wrong and have tried to cover it up. They really hate Trump and know that if he bungles the response and the COVID outbreak goes poorly in the US he very likely could lose re-election. The Chinese already already have big problems and prolonged trade war exacerbates this, my suspicion is they were already weakened by the trade war, COVID only made it worse and they’d rather go into 2021 with a friendly party in the WH.

    There certainly was something going around in feb, I got what ever I got from a coworker whose wife is a hospital nurse. He looked like he was dying but as a consultant he of course came in while sick. I swabbed negative for the flu despite have flu symptoms, fever, chills, horrible joint pain everywhere, I was getting winded walking up 2 flights of stairs, and for some strange reason my blood pressure was high(which really confused me be cause I typically have low blood pressure). The other odd thing was congestion, but no runny nose and taking 800mg of Guaifenesin which usually helps actually seemed to make me fee very ill. I’d love to see the results of antibody tests because I suspect many people thought they had the flu in Jan-Feb actually had COVID.

  379. JCer says:

    succinctly put the Chinese Government doesn’t want to help us

  380. A Home Buyer says:


    It’s great that’s what you personally want to see but it doesn’t change a few things.

    This is likely the second or third background check these people are going for in a few month time frame. First, the FID card, second and optionally the pistol permit, and the last being the NICS check at the time of purchase.

    The first/second background check is statutorily limited to not take more then 30 days, however has taken anywhere from 30 to 180 days to complete. NICS is supposed to take 30 minutes to an hour.

    At this point people have likely already waited 2 plus weeks just to get the paper to purchase. So yes, waiting additional days to get this NICS back is a pain in the ass when your waiting in the store for hours longer then usually necessarily… not sure when / if it’s going to come back because of the shutdown.

    To another point, your local PD just takes the application. So the work is done by a few dedicated and overworked staff at the state police who only handle the checks and NICS system. So no, your police aren’t being impacted by this 300% to 500% surge in people exercising their rights.

    You have people trying to exercise they’re second amendment Rights legally, and finding out that gun control laws don’t target the bad guys, they target the people doing legally, themselves. People who are delayed (or denied because of shutdown) their purchase aren’t going to say, “gee, I’m glad the system prevented me from getting a gun when I felt I needed it”. They are going remember the bullshit process they had to go through and how the state didn’t live up to it’s end of the agreement regarding the gun control laws it’s passed and may end up with additional challenges in court. Careful what you sow.

    75% of the rest of the nation can just walk in and purchase, 30% can constitutionally carry, and surprisingly the world hasn’t ended.

  381. Phoenix says:

    Don’t forget the shortage of hospital gowns due to “contamination.” These gowns and packs were pulled and returned for credit. Were they just needed back in the homeland?

  382. grim says:

    The other odd thing was congestion, but no runny nose and taking 800mg of Guaifenesin which usually helps actually seemed to make me fee very ill.

    Interesting, it usually helps me too (Mucinex) – tried taking it to help my cough and it didn’t help at all.

  383. Bystander says:


    ..and the prediction that Nikki Haley will replace Pence is gaining steam. She is against the corp bailout and resigned from Boeing board. I guess she will try to sell herself as fiscal conservative of the duo. Dumpy can’t.

    In other news, billionaire Pegula just basically just destroyed city of Buffalo. Let go of his hotel and restaurant workers etc around his Buffalo are properties. Won’t take them back if economy picks up. They are welcome to reapply. Nice guy.

  384. Juice box says:

    So I hit all the big box stores and all the supermarkets this morning no toilet paperThere will be blood

  385. homeboken says:

    Here’s the issue I have with the Biden v Trump argument –

    Is Trump as perfect as he thinks he is, absolutely not. He probably isn’t 15% as effective as his most die-hard supporters think. But the entire Dem platform is “We must defeat Donald Trump” I heard that 1,000s of times during the debates from every candidate.

    Beating Trump is not a policy. But how many times did I hear “First and foremost, we must defeat Donald Trump!” Like that is some sort of rallying cry that will motivate any non-Dem to vote blue. It tells me that the party is totally devoid of actual ideas.

    So the Dem answer is — Let’s run the exact same campaign as 2016, except this time, let’s put a man that has been in government for almost 50 years, with legitimate dementia at the forefront.

    Don’t give me the argument that Biden will surround himself with great people. I only have one vote. I don’t get to elect the associated bureaucracy that the president installs. So if I must choose between Trump and Biden, explain to me why I should vote Biden. But you can’t say “hey he isn’t Donald Trump” Tell me how a Biden Whitehouse is better for the country.

    Again – Almost 50 years in the Senate and now he is the Dem’s hope for change? Give me a break.

  386. 30 year realtor says:


    For most Democrats this is not about change. This is more about finding something that feels more normal than the Trump administration. A return to familiar presidential behavior and decorum. Having cabinet appointees more concerned about running their agencies for the purpose they were intended for rather than tearing the agencies down.

    This is just my knee jerk reaction. There are policy issues as well. Personally I cannot support a candidate who panders to the antiabortion crowd and who rolls back environmental laws.

  387. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    Can’t wait to hear Biden change his tune on the democrat party’s obscenely irresponsible open borders policy. “I was for open borders before I was against them.”

  388. Hold my beer says:

    Juice box

    I got an unopened 30 count mega pack from Costco and a box of Nancy Drew’s we were going to donate. I’m good for a while.

  389. Fabius Maximus says:


    Last FID I looked at, was typed, had a fingerprint and was signed by the chief, so the Muni is doing a little more than taking the application.

    So again, if you already own, why do you need another right now. If you are new, take a seat there are other more urgent matters thank something you could have taken care off months ago.

    But what I see from most 2A groups is that they want the rid of 10A and that is something that you need to be very careful what you wish for. I’ll quite happily take a single set of Federal laws to cover everyone . So while NJ would loosen, the southern states would tighten and that would go a long way to addressing real issues like suicides and stolen/lost.

  390. Juice Box says:

    It not me saying it folks, and it’s not just the Bernie Bros.

    The Dem Party leaders need to be replaced ASAP.


  391. SaturdayB00m3rBreak says:

    The reason Mucinex and other expectorants don’t work, people seem to experience high blood pressure, decrease pulmonary function is that it appears to be coming from the pulmonary edema side of problems – what you expect from Congestive Heart Failure.

    A&P lesson – Alveoli are very small air sacs in your lungs where gas exchange occurs. Something in the alveoli that is not air = atelactasis, when bacteria grows in it=pneumonia. Both colloquially known as collapsed air spaces/lungs and they look like broken glass in x-rays.

    Congestive heart failure. Pump fails, either right side (chronic) or left side (acute) and fluid backs up into lowest resistance=lung. Plasma like fluid fills alveoli, decreases flexibility (compliance) of lung. Pulmonary edema crisis treated in ER with diuretics, and positive pressure to push fluids out of lung & body.

    The Wuhan cooties seems to cause different levels of pulmonary edema in people. If you are elderly with fluid control hydrostatic issues (blood pressure, heart failure and others)then the problem surviving this insult, plus the likely insult of the slow conversion of pulmonary edema caused atelectasis into pneumonia and other comorbidities.

    If there is phlegm you can cough it out – if you are strongwomen enough, but if it is pulmonary edema fluid, you can’t. It sits there until your body re-arsorbs it. Here is where NSAIDs come into the picture, they may affect the process. An article I read talked about a Navy Surgeon prescribing grams range amounts of Aspirins during the Spanish Flu 1918 epidemic, at the level the aspirin causes pulmonary edema, if the patient survived the insult of it, they now had to overcome the pneumonia that followed and no antibiotics at that time.

  392. Juice Box says:

    beer – Sometimes I wonder if we are really just a bunch of hairless apes or descended from some lower branch of the hominid family.

    As usual the media made the run on the TP self-reinforcing, and the supermarkets are loving it too. NO SALES, and shortages damm that is great for business, people will panic buy everything up. Quick everyone run out and clean out the baking isles, buy up all the meats, eggs, bread, and TP. Healthy stuff skip that we need 30 boxes of pasta and 30 jars of sauce. 50 lb bags of rice I will take two!

    The more people have to wait in line? Even better for business. People will travel around from store to store location to location just like their ancestors who were hunter gatherers, the genes they inherited are always just waiting to be called upon and boom instinct kicks in! No thought needed it’s just pure primal behavior and as soon as they actually find TP the more TP they’ll stock up on when they finally do get a chance to buy they will buy it all.

  393. SaturdayB00merBreak says:

    Now, what is complicating the picture is that now the protocol is early intubation because the patients will tend to crash once they look like they are going down, plus the high contagiousness of the Wuhan cooties.

    So that is leaving some other devices and treatments like AVAPS/BIPAP and High Flow Nasal Cannula that are routinely use to take care of pulmonary edema/pneumonias as the drugs works their way and do their job.

    So yes, faster testing and confirmation that you got the Cooties, means that everyone can be put on the same ward/floor/room and lower level of acuity therapies given vs going straight for the intubation/ventilator route.

    Overall, I say again. We are going to get a nationalize health system/Medicare for All because you do need an Arthur Rubinstein conducting the orchestra and synchronizing the show. Plus I agree with the links posted earlier- Trump is going to outflank the Democrats (Clinton Republican lite Party) on the left. Sometimes it takes the equivalent to accomplish it – thin LBJ civil rights, Medicare, etc.

  394. A Home Buyer says:


    Yes, the police chief and their assistant spend an (generous) hour on the FID card once it comes back from the state approved. The only point I’m suggesting is the heavy lifting is done at the state level.

    Regarding your next point, I don’t disagree on priorities but your opinion on priority is not a constitutional amendment nor at this point even supported by state law. These people are within their rights, all the way around, on this issue to both be upset and take legal action however that never ends up anywhere. Anecdotally, the vast majority are new buyers and the existing owners are hoarding the ammo, but take that for what it’s worth. There are reported surges in minoritily buyers, particular Asian, who are responding to violence based on prejudice. That’s hard to plan in advance for.

    Regarding your final point which is overarching but related to these delays, at the federal level would be a mistake but not an conversation worth having at this point in time. It’s been discussed here before, opinions arent changing, and so far the supreme Court has upheld the 2A side of things.

  395. joyce says:

    Have you even read the 10th amendment? And where did you get the idea that preppers (Nompound, etc.) have “limited supplies”?

    Fabius Maximus says:
    March 21, 2020 at 11:12 am

    But what I see from most 2A groups is that they want the rid of 10A

  396. D-FENS says:

    There aren’t any guns left to buy. RTSP is wiped out. The shelves are almost bare.


  397. D-FENS says:

    All in, my FID and pistol permit took over a month. And it’s all done electronically now. I will have had 3 FBI background checks before I actually have anything in hand. Incredibly wasteful and redundant. My town is known to be one of the fastest at processing applications too.

    I didn’t apply because of anything to do with the corona virus. My timing was coincidental.

  398. Hold my beer says:


    My grandfather claimed if humans could lick their own crotch we would still be living in caves.

    If you needs eggs for baking you can get 2 packs of 34 bobs red milk vegan egg replacers on amazon for $14.99. I used it yesterday in banana bread and it worked great. It’s about the same cost as buying 6 dozen real eggs if you could find them

    Coconut flour is still available in 2.5 pound jars for $6.99. I ordered one to stretch out our flour. Supposedly you can replace regular flour with coconut in all recipes anywhere from 20-100%

    You also might want to order a Great Depression recipe cookbook. Things we took for granted might be hard to come buy but lentils, beans, canned meats, condensed milk will probably be easier to get.

    If this panic buying keeps on going if stores don’t limit meats and dairy purchase than the government will have to. People buy all the meats, when it comes back people who got zeroed out do the same, and the cycle keeps going until the stores or government stops it.

  399. Hold my beer says:

    You might also want to get powdered milk, powdered butter, powder buttermilk. I just got some powdered buttermilk yesterday off amazon so the masses haven’t caught on to that yet.

    Also dehydrated garlic and onions and different seasonings so you don’t get bored eating the same stuff. And dried peas, lentils, and beans have long shelf lives.

    Frozen fruit and veggies are still available too online.

    Amazon is getting 5 pound bags of nishiki rice back on April 4th so I ordered it. We all might have to start thinking of what we need weeks from now because of the panic buyers.

  400. Yo! says:


    This reporting on N.J. mall property taxes will get some traction. How will American Dream makes its $57 million PILOT payment next year?

  401. Hold my beer says:

    Murphy just issued a stay at home directive. I called it yesterday.

  402. homeboken says:

    Speaking of Joe Biden – Where is the guy lately? Last I heard from him he was attacking the administration’s handling but I don’t see him on the schedule for any of the Sunday shows and it’s awfully quiet from his campaign. Time for a Silver Alert?

  403. phoenix says:

    Biden reminds me of James Stockdale minus the honorable service in the military.

  404. Yo! says:

    NY Times headline today:

    ”Biden Takes Charge as Coronavirus Spreads: This Week in the 2020 Race“

    Joe’s Facebook page reads, “There are no upcoming events.”

  405. Walking by says:

    NY state gets 10,000 mylaria pills plus arithromycian walking being sent out today. Hoping it works.

  406. Walking by says:

    Woops, Malaria .

    Everyday is Sunday in Bergen county now.

  407. Homebuyer007 says:

    30 year realtor,

    whats your take on housing market in NJ for someone who is on the sidelines to buy with 30% down payment and 1 year worth of cash ??..

    No urgency and not losing anything with renting.. On the sideline and didn’t buy due to the fact that I thought house prices got too hot since 2016..

  408. joyce says:

    But those researchers also gave a troubling warning for countries around the world implementing lockdown measures: in order to be effective, they would need to last 12 to 18 months.

    Experts say governments are only now beginning to acknowledge the length of time needed for lockdown measures to work. “This has been very unspoken about in countries like Italy for example,” says Elisabetta Gropelli, a virologist and lecturer in global health at St. George’s University of London. “Once you start isolation, how do you decide when to stop? Once you go in, when can you come out?”


  409. Hold my beer says:

    Dallas is now rationing toilet paper to 12 rolls or 1 pack whichever quantity is greater.

    All recreational gatherings in public or private are banned. All non essential medical or dental procedures are banned. All hair and nail salons, tattoo shops are closed

    The Dallas county judge must be watching nyc and trying to stop that from happening here.

  410. Juice Box says:

    joyce —- shush already we need to spread the bodies out over time, we cannot have them piling up in the corner.

    There still is no SARS vaccine, a plague back from 1997 or at least ” not again” in modern times. H5N1 which has a fatality rate of about 60 percent and you still cannot get vaccinated for it.

    Evolved has it? Check with the epidemiology folks 40 to 70 percent get infected. I will choose 50 percent as a happy medium but viruses love their children too and don’t want to kill the host so the good new is evolved to be less lethal for some Covid19 AKA SARS, but at the same time it is the grim reaper too.

    No worries as darwinian evolutionary theory is in play here.

  411. Juice Box says:

    Homebuyer007 – you are asking a realtor for advise.

    Might want to ask grandma first about falling knives.

    Apologies 30 year……

  412. BoomerRemover says:

    Add me to the list of people with a really bad unexplained, negative for flu, flu like episode in early February of this year.

    I actually went to a doctor for that one. Hung around forever. Low fever (99-101F) too but no chesty/dry cough as is apparently the case.

  413. D-FENS says:

    Everyone ought to be using this time with family to teach your children to field strip a 1911.

  414. BoomerRemover says:

    It seems the fear has gotten to lib. Burying one or two loved ones?

    I got a “check in” call from an old friend. Knows two people in their 40’s – healthy skier types from Utah and Colorado – who have been hospitalized. Screw dying, my goal is to not get to the point where I need to be on a ventilator.

    Can anyone explain to me why Chipotle (CMG) is near $600 up $150 from a week ago, PE 45 and where it was in January of last year?!?

    That glass screen whose function is to make sure spittle doesn’t make it’s way to the food only works if you’re standing behind it… I could gbe persuaded to buy into the delivery/pickup argument going to carry us through for SBUX, as that system is matured and people do rely on it heavily (myself included).

  415. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I’m not quite sure how Chipotle quadrupled to begin with. Everytime I go into one the past year, it’s empty. And I have at least 7 different locations I’ve stopped in. It used to be a 25 minute line daily.

  416. Libturd, the Master Beta says:

    You guys are all friggin’ out of your minds.

    Politically, Biden is a continuation of crap politics. I can’t stand him and his ilk, but Trump simply has to go at this point. We have a 2nd grader running our country. All that matters to him is his ego. He is embarrassing.

    First GR couple with virus is hospitalized. Somehow 70 year old up the block seems to be beating it.

    D started throwing up yesterday. Just once, but was the first time since his NG tube was removed. He held down a tiny breakfast, slept half the afternoon and then puked up string beans at dinner. Very, very low-grade fever. Since we are in isolation, it’s most likely something he ate, or some nasty bacteria he’s touched and then ingested (since his fingers are always in his mouth).

    So when is Trump going to lay out a plan? Rip the band-aid off fast, or slow? The uncertainty and lack of clarity and direction is killing the market.

    Just saw a CNN headline calling for a depression. This is what we need for blood in the streets.

    Market will be max down on Monday barring a sign of leadership from the white house (like that’s gonna happen).

    Stay inside fools.

  417. juice box says:

    Boomer and Blue plenty of a-holes will get carried out on their shields, you are not that rich, I for one don’t want to hear it. You are warned volatility is death.

  418. Libturd, the Master Beta says:

    BRT, on Chipotle.

    Went to Wayne (Willowbrook) CMG and it was an absolute disaster. I don’t frequently complain much about a sh1tty experience in a fast food joint, but this visit was exceptionally horrible. I mean, about 12 things went wrong, highlighted by a bathroom with puke in the sync and my Carne Asada burrito being Carnitas. The fact they forgot to make the mobile order in the first place was just the start. They also got magic marker on the tortilla, all of the tables hadn’t been cleaned for hours, and in the ladies room, Gator says the toilet paper had fallen into the toilet. It was truly a gruesome experience. And it’s not cheap.

    The manager called me to thank me and pledged it won’t happen again. I told him, that’s good news for his other customers, because I was not coming back.

    Corporate sent me a coupon for 8 free burritos.

  419. Juice says:

    lib – as if? when do you Marshall your intellect to make money?

  420. njtownhomer says:

    for those looking to minimize TP usage, search and learn to use a bidet
    Luckily, I installed two in Jan, bought from amazon for about $25 each.

  421. Libturd, the Master Beta says:

    D-Fens – get a new mon1ker already. Every time I see it, it conjures up the image of those complete morons who bring a piece of a fence and a large letter ‘D’ to football games.

    As for that video, singer sounds like Seal and the band, Living C0lour. Not a bad tune though.

    Finally, how much toilet paper do you guys use. I’m nearly 300 pounds and I sh1t once a day after my morning coffee. I use one flushable wipe in most cases and if I had a lot of spicy food (curries), occasionally two. That’s about 50 wipes a month. Less than one pack. I just don’t get the TP hording.

  422. Hold my beer says:

    If you are looking for TP alternative you can probably get a set of encyclopedias cheap on eBay or a bulk lot of novels. Dictionaries or out of date reference books can be found cheap too. You can also get blank news print in 25 pounds and higher bundles. Tissue paper for packing gifts can also be had in 1,000 sheets and higher lots

  423. 30 year realtor says:

    I wouldn’t buy anything now. Who knows what homes will be worth when the smoke clears. You are a strong buyer. There will be opportunities.

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