C19 Open Discussion Week 4

From MarketWatch:

This hard truth about the mortgage markets isn’t being told

Everyone wants to know what impact the coronavirus and the government response to it will have on housing markets. While it is too early to hazard a guess, some things are becoming increasingly clear.

Already, it looks as if the U.S. is moving towards a temporary moratorium on mortgage payments. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac unveiled an emergency program which provides a two-month deferral of mortgage payments for any homeowner who claims to be facing a hardship because of the virus.  The payments will be tacked on at the end of the mortgage term.  

The coronavirus rescue law just enacted by Congress includes a provision which requires all firms that service federally-backed mortgages to grant a forbearance of up to 360 days for any borrowers who say they have been harmed by the coronavirus outbreak.

It is not much of a stretch to say that this virus has changed everything. Many of you may sense that the virus has undermined what you thought was still a fairly strong housing market around the country.

In truth, the so-called housing recovery since 2010 has been little more than a carefully constructed illusion. The belief in a strong housing recovery was carefully devised using a strategy of misleading information, withheld data and false impressions.

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229 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 4

  1. grim says:

    Shore is going to get slaughtered this year.

    NJ to let towns ban short-term rentals and keep people away from the shore, resort areas

    New Jersey towns will be allowed to ban short-term rentals, a move state officials said was to keep people away from resort areas during a lockdown designed to prevent the spread of COVID-19.

    The order was announced Saturday, the day Gov. Phil Murphy said 200 more people had died from the virus, bringing the death toll in New Jersey to 846 killed in the past month.

    Essentially the move lets each town and county decide if a local ban on hotels, motels and other rentals is needed, he said.

    All but the most essential travel has been ordered stopped; most businesses are closed and schools are shuttered. And Murphy stressed again Saturday, as he has for two weeks since he ordered a near-total lockdown, for people to stay home.

    And that means they should not go especially to Shore towns where local emergency services are smaller and could be stressed more easily, state officials said.

    “We don’t want people traveling down there,” Col. Patrick Callahan, head of the New Jersey State Police said.

  2. Very Stable Genius says:

    Fatten up before we run out of food.

    Trump’s greatest economic depression has just began. It’s gonna be HUUUGEEE!!!

  3. Deadconomy says:

    Could you imagine someone that just purchased a shore house last year expecting rentals to cover majority of costs? Ouch…

  4. NJCoast says:

    The orange license plates line all the streets around me here at the shore. They all decamped here a while ago as Trump tipped one of his real estate mogul pals to leave the city while he was telling the nation there was no problem. The NY Post announced the patriarch of this family has COVID-19. Our boardwalk and beaches are still open, but after the way people were congregating this weekend, I’m sure it will close soon. Surfers were out in full force and large groups of people were on the beach. We’ve been getting fresh air and sun in a small protected area at the beach, so far we’ve been the only ones there. We can visit with our grandson while social distancing and watch him play.
    No more grocery shopping for me. I stopped 2 weeks ago. My son in law is an essential worker so he shops with mask and goggles, leaves disinfected groceries outside.
    There is panic as summer renters are realizing they cannot get a rental this summer. Many are looking to buy and live here permanently.

  5. Hold my beer says:

    GW back in 2005 was concerned with a pandemic after reading a book on the 1918 spanish flu and started to prepare fo it


    Two things surprised me from this article

    1) GW realized pandemics happen about every 100 years and was getting the federal government ready for the next one

    2) He read a book

  6. leftwing says:

    Still don’t understand closing beaches…..there is literally no larger open space (especially in this state)….how are surfers at risk? Is the virus going to crawl through a wetsuit, swim through millions of gallons of salt water, crawl up a surfboard, and cross through another wetsuit?

    There are two relevant issues regarding covid…..the disease afflicts easily identifiable at risk cohorts, and does so overwhelmingly through contact with an infected area that is then spread through contact with one’s own face.

    The solution is simple….isolate those groups (elderly, comorbidities), social distance, and wash your fcuking hands before picking the morning schmuck out of the corners of your eyes.

    You don’t need to close literally the safest physical environment in the state to everyone…..prohibit groups there for sure and elderly if you want.

    But, hey, I’ve accepted that reason and logic long ago lost the war against the amorphous uneducated hordes of “just do something, anything”.

  7. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    The only thing I can say is it does keep people away. My neighbors “in quaratine” own a beach house and they literally disappear after memorial day and live there exclusively. We wish they would go there now but the only thing they can do down there is go to the beach. It’s probably what is keeping them away right now.

    And based on their behavior, if they are carriers, they’ll infect the whole town.

  8. Juice Box says:

    re” Still don’t understand closing beaches”

    Folks they see people coming from the other virus infected areas to their town.

    “We are asking non-residents to please not travel to our waterfront as per the governor’s executive order,” the borough’s Office of Emergency Management said in a statement Saturday night.

    This is from Keyport, that is the last place I would want to visit.

  9. leftwing says:

    NJCoast, I call BS. Local rag with a scientist not degreed in the relevant areas. And, most importantly she is in direct conflict with Fauci, who is being interviewed right now on CBS. SHE is the worst example of the ‘do anything’ horde specifically because she is advance degreed and should know better before making these statements. Scientific method, research, data, and all, y’know…

    “Kim Prather, a leading atmospheric chem1st at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography” WTF does this have to do with immunology?

    “Many beachgoers know they can suffer skin rashes, stomach illness and serious ear and respiratory 1nfections if they go into the water within three days of a heavy rain, because of bacteria and pathogens washing off roads and into the ocean. Raw or poorly treated sewage entering the ocean also poses major health risks.” Agree, relevance of ur1ne and sh1t washing down the drains to covid?

    “Prather *fears* that SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, could enter coastal waters in similar ways and transfer back into the air along the coast.” She FEARS, here we go….

    “In her research, Prather has found that the ocean churns up all kinds of particulate and microscopic pathogens, and every time the ocean sneezes with a big wave or two, it sprays these particles into the air. She *believes* that this new coronavirus is light enough to float through the air much farther than we think.” And, boom, we have the closer, she BELIEVES.

    Literally as you were typing Fauci was being interviewed live on CBS Sunday Morning. Flat out states again to stay in groups of *less than ten* and social distance. In response to a direct question of whether he uses a facemask in public he says neither he nor his wife do when they are in control of social distancing, eg exercising. They will if they are in an environment where they can’t (eg, Costco).

    It is well documented that transfer of the virus through air is through respiratory droplets, and that the virus is not ‘hardy’, ie. it does not survive long periods of time outside the body.

    So there you have it. She proves MY point EXACTLY.

    She is an otherwise educated person “fearful” because she “believes” that somehow this virus, which is transmitted through the air by respiratory droplets, is somehow going to survive outside the body on a public outdoor surface long enough to get washed into the ocean and somehow, after surviving that long circuitous trip and in concentrated enough quantities equal to a sneeze droplets, gets picked up by the wind and plunked into a surfer or runner’s mouth.

    Fcuking ridiculous theory even with a third grader’s understanding of the relevant data.

    She should have her credentials yanked for this type of ‘analysis’ and fear mongering.


  10. leftwing says:

    “Juice Box says:
    Folks they see people coming from the other virus infected areas to their town.”

    This, I understand.

    But it is nimby and not scientifically based.

    Guys, the response is really simple. Hard quarantine on the at-risk groups. Everyone else go about your business.

    The chance of dying of this disease if you are younger than 17 with no underlying conditions is ZERO. The chance of dying of this disease if you are under 45 with no underlying conditions is 0.6%.

    This is based on the best US data available with a sample size of 1,541 (statistically significant).

    If you are old or unhealthy, stay the fcuk home.
    If you are old and unhealthy, weld the door shut.

    Other wise go about your your business while distancing, washing, and not touching your face.


  11. Juice Box says:

    re: Prather yeah perhaps an extreme Hypocondriac.

    Every cubic yard of air you breath has millions of virus particles. You will breath in 300-500 different viruses with each breath you take. The difference here is those viruses are not meant for us.

    The scientist who know have said this is a slightly different bat corona virus from SARS, it is not really meant for us and it will die out if we quarantine, it is spread from droplets and is not aerosolized where it will infect you if you go for a swim in the ocean. Swim in sewage? Well you take your chances with plenty of other bacteria and viruses if you did that.

    Here is the leading expert talking about it.

    Dr Ben Neuman from the Texas A&M System


  12. Hold my beer says:


    If all you have to do is social distance and wash hands why did you flee to the south?

    And it is spread through the air that’s why large gatherings have been banned.

    Look at the choir in Washington. 45 out of the 60 that showed up for their last rehearsal got it.

  13. Juice Box says:

    leftwing – re:Hard quarantine on the at-risk groups. Even healthy people who are not at risk of dying are getting permanent lung damage from this.

    By puberty the thymus produces tenfold fewer T cells than it did in childhood, by age 40 or 50, there is another tenfold drop. So at risk is really everyone over 14 for lung damage.

    I doubt many of us could survive on positive-pressure breathing machines for weeks at a time, as our own inflammatory monocytes kill off our lung function slowly.

    If we quarantine long enough this will go away, or at least until there are proven treatments and proven prophylactics. There may never be a vaccine for this you know and the permanent lung damage is real.

  14. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:


    anyone who is an “atmospheric chemist” like has very light training in physics, chemistry and biology. These specialized areas barely qualify as science because they are extremely undeveloped and still in their infant stages. That includes climatology.

    Always take anything a scientist from these fledgling fields with a grain of salt. She’s also a dimwit. The ocean is a gigantic mass of water. She is clearly completely unfamiliar with the idea of dilution or is just not able to even put it in perspective.

  15. BoomerRemover says:

    I really think you’ve got it out for these dolts next door. Are you losing sleep over this?
    Not the first people to modify their routine as they roll out their interpretation of social distancing. And if everybody in your town croaks, hey at least you get new neighbors.

  16. leftwing says:

    “If all you have to do is social distance and wash hands why did you flee to the south?”

    Because with a touch of CHD and as I noted before a fairly scarce immuno condition I intended to self quarantine as hard as I could.

    It was mostly psychological. I knew I could not do it in NNJ, the after effects of Sandy for me were not healthy. Physically, emotionally, or mentally. No way i was going to be cooped up in NNJ again for weeks with everything closed and, even worse, no social contact.

    So I’m here. I’m in the sun (very good for the immuno condition, and attitude). It’s great weather, today is literally the first rainy day since I’ve been here. I’m bike riding every day. I was going to the beach everyday, often cycling that as well, before it was closed. I brought down dumb bells, actually exercising with them regularly. Knowing what I was getting into before I left NJ I hit RD and got 20lbs of chicken breasts. Grilled them up, shredded them, and froze them in individual serving bags. Brought down 20# of potatoes as well, and bought a ton of eggs (eight egg whites a day for breakfast with a potato). Also have that Bear Creek dried chili, stew, soups with canned tomato paste just in case things were to get real funky and there wasn’t anything fresh at the stores, or I couldn’t get there.

    I’m in my third week and on only four occasions have I interacted with another human closer than six feet….two trips to the supermarket, one to the liquor store, and one for a sushi takeout. I’m alone, so once a surface is ‘mine’ (interior space, car, etc) it’s good. Anything new like supermarket products get wiped down and left in the sun if possible. Brought the surgical gloves, use those on the occasions I’m touching a lot of surfaces outside mine, including shopping. Sanitized hand wipes of course. After all that, it’s basically me sharing my germs with me.

    That’s me. Social distance. Wash. Don’t touch your face. If you’re at higher risk take more extreme measures.

  17. leftwing says:

    Juice, agree on Neuman and the other stuff. Only item I would point out is in Fauci’s CBS interview this morning they had a discussion about this resurfacing. Basically said that unless/until one can get the entire world on the same page this thing can readily pop up again and spread in the fall like other cornaviruses and the flu. Quarantining the US alone is not going to eradicate it. Need a proven therapeutic and, later, a vaccine.

  18. 30 year realtor says:

    The guy telling everyone else how basic this virus is to avoid is ordering takeout sushi. Nothing further needs to be said.

  19. joyce says:

    We should listen to this guy:

    March 9, 2020
    Q Would you recommend that anybody, even a healthy person, get onboard a cruise ship?

    DR. FAUCI: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think if you’re a healthy, young person, that there is no reason, if you want to go on a cruise ship, to go on a cruise ship. Personally, I would never go on a cruise ship because I don’t like cruises — (laughter) — but that’s another story.

    But the fact — the fact is that if you have — if you have the conditions that I’ve been speaking about over and over again to this group, namely an individual who has an underlying condition, particularly an elderly person that has an underlying condition, I would recommend strongly that they do not go on a cruise ship.


  20. leftwing says:

    “The guy telling everyone else how basic this virus is to avoid is ordering takeout sushi. Nothing further needs to be said.”

    Speak up, buckwheat. Literally a thirty second encounter both of us with gloves on. Wiped down containers.

    What’s your story, mouth? How many people have you interacted with in the last three weeks?

  21. joyce says:

    I don’t understand this comment. Doesn’t it make total sense for someone, who claims this virus is easy to avoid, to feel perfectly at ease getting take out?

    30 year realtor says:
    April 5, 2020 at 12:43 pm
    The guy telling everyone else how basic this virus is to avoid is ordering takeout sushi. Nothing further needs to be said.

  22. 30 year realtor says:

    Mouth? Who is the one running their mouth offering advice? Perhaps you should talk about your own actions and not dispense so much opinion while having so little expertise.

    I am working from home and limiting excursions out of my home to food shopping at 24 hour stores at the quietest times. Have been to the supermarket once since 3/14. This is my life choice. I have no advice to offer for others as I am not qualified.

  23. leftwing says:

    Never claimed to have expertise. Have common sense and intelligence. So, yeah, when some ‘scientist’ discovers aerosol and fears that the ocean can transmit the disease I’m going to call BS.

    Otherwise, my only advice is exactly in line with CDC and the experts, and I provide direct links. Social distance. Wash your hands. Don’t touch your face. Show me where I’ve dispensed other ‘advice’.

    And likewise, it is my choice if I feel the risk of the takeout is appropriately mitigated for me, provided I am not covid positive and spreading it to others.

  24. 30 year realtor says:

    Eating raw fish prepared by another human an arms distance from their face does not show common sense and intelligence. Am I missing something?

  25. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I really think you’ve got it out for these dolts next door. Are you losing sleep over this?
    Not the first people to modify their routine as they roll out their interpretation of social distancing. And if everybody in your town croaks, hey at least you get new neighbors.

    Lol, I do have it out for them. When they left for Aruba, I talked to the mother and said “do you really want to go through Newark airport given that it’s confirmed to be here. It’s guaranteed to have come into contact with the TSA?”

    Her reply was, “we will just try not to have them use the bathrooms”. With a 4, 6, and 8 year old…good friggin plan.

    Then, when they got back, they actually waited a full 2 days to leave the island. It wasn’t until the hotel literally kicked them out that they flew back home…again, through the airport.

    They texted everyone about being under quarantine…and have refused to even acknowledge the concept of social distancing. Here’s the thing that gets me…they are never out and about. Usually pent up inside all spring. Their kids have been walking all over everyone’s property these past 2 weeks.

    Dude, I even took my kids for a walk in the woods and we ran into them. Nobody walks in those woods. It’s like a bad horror movie.

  26. Hold my beer says:

    Just placed an order with 99ranch.com with free fedex shipping for orders over $49

    It’s an Asian grocery chain scattered around the US. Prices on amazon were ridiculously high. Unfortunately only about 20% of 99ranch non perishables were in stock for online orders.

    I tried to place a cat litter order on chewy but it was out of stock. Paid up to get it on amazon. Don’t want to chance going to the grocery store to save $10 for 6 week supply of cat litter.

    My area is predicted to become an epicenter in two weeks. As a bonus Texas has a religious exemption so all the churches and other religious places of worship can stay open. Most have moved to streaming online but it only takes one person with it mingling in a crowd to keep the spread going

  27. joyce says:

    That’s a very fair point. I was focused on the takeout, not sushi.

    30 year realtor says:
    April 5, 2020 at 1:22 pm
    Eating raw fish prepared by another human an arms distance from their face does not show common sense and intelligence. Am I missing something?

  28. 30 year realtor says:

    My daughter has an autoimmune disease and I am careful about what I do because we live under the same roof.

    I am also careful about what I say in my life. Calling people names like Buckwheat is racist and uncalled for.

  29. leftwing says:

    “Eating raw fish prepared by another human an arms distance from their face does not show common sense and intelligence. Am I missing something?”

    Any takeout is prepared an arms distance from someone’s face. As I said, and the governments have agreed by letting these establishments remain open, it’s a calculated risk.

    Takeout from where and under the conditions I picked it up don’t scare me….Here are some observations that do frighten me…

    Groups at takeout. The day they shut the beaches here everyone congregated at various ‘takeout’ places on the blvd…appears ‘takeout’ was deemed to be anything away from the front entrance as groups of people grabbed beers and then hung out together at the outdoor tables ‘waiting’ for their food. So the authorities clear out a sparsely populated wide open beach and drive everyone into small crowds socializing….

    Supermarkets scare the bejeesus out of me…shopping by its nature has people picking up multiple items, handling them, and putting them back down. Over and over. Publix had a great sale on fresh blackberries in those little clear plastic containers. I’m excited, I’ll lay in bunch. I go to the fresh produce section there are no fewer than five people, no gloves, all picking up half a dozen containers each, rotating them to see the berries on the bottom, and then putting them back down. Grabbed two whole pineapples and GTFO….

    So, yeah, might the sushi chef been covid positive and sneezed on my food right before he closed the container? Sure. But evaluating all the advice from people qualified to dispense it – scientists knowing what they are doing – that is not where my risk lies.

    Social distance. Wash your hands. Don’t touch your face.

    And for clarity I am not advocating for takeout establishments. Just responding to you running me for getting one meal out, within my safety parameters, in three weeks.

  30. leftwing says:

    “I am also careful about what I say in my life. Calling people names like Buckwheat is racist and uncalled for.”

    Oh Jesus Christ…if you’re AA, apologies, no ill intent.

    If you’re not, get a life. I didn’t even remember Buckwheat was the black Little Rascal. I’ve been calling my youngest buckwheat since he was about five. Guess I’m a horrible racist dad. Lol.

  31. 30 year realtor says:

    Get a life? What are you saying? Was it a term of endearment? You love me like your son?

    You don’t understand that the Buckwheat character was a blatantly racist depiction?

    Use common sense and intelligence. Don’t call people Buckwheat. Again you are attempting to depict me as being overly sensitive or some type of ass*ole. Own your words.

  32. leftwing says:

    The Little Rascals by including Buckwheat (note the upper case) was actually a very progressive program for its time. No other show or movie mixed races on screen.

    buckwheat (lower case) in my experience indicates cluelessness, drawn from the characters casting in the series

    If I were directing a comment to a black person? Yeah, likely racist, affirmed by context.

    Directing it to your argument online, not knowing you, in that context? Really a stretch.

    So arsehole, no. Overly sensitive, yeah, by far.

    And for the record that was the origin in my family. My oldest had a crazy cowlick that stood straight up so we nicknamed “Spanky” (got it wrong we discovered later it was Alfalfa with the cowlick). Of course as soon as we endow the oldest with a nickname the youngest wants one, so he becomes buckwheat because he was always getting himself into situations.

    Guess I’ll stop calling him that. Wouldn’t want to offend any more upper middle class, white(?), middle aged men in NJ.

    But hey, I’m the -ist while you with zero background on me and out of context get to call me a racist…..

  33. Ding Ding Ding says:

    I declare leftwing the winner. 30 year has been intellectually beaten to a pulp by the superior intelligence and debating skills of leftwing.

    IMHO 30 year is now the new Pumpkin of this blog.

  34. homeboken says:

    The posts today are like the 2020 d!ck measuring contact.

    I only came into contact with 3 people in the last week!

    Oh yeah, well I haven’t even thought of another person in 4 weeks!

    Since when did we become so proud of quarantine that we brag about how we implement it.

    By the way – earlier this week, I think when discussing with Lib, I shared my opinion that we would max out around 20,000 deaths. Still possible if there is some amazing break-thru on the drug/treatment side, but based on a new week of data, I am going to say that we end up with 25,000 – 30,000 deaths.

    I have much more confidence in this prediction – we will have 25MM unemployed by the end of the month.

    Finally, to those of you that are snarky about the job losses and how Trump is “winning” You should be embarrassed. It is no different than making jokes about the infected or death rate. Literal millions of people and businesses have had their lives altered in the worst possible way, other than death. Their ability to earn a living has vanished. Stop celebrating it b/c you dislike Trump. It’s sick.

  35. Yo! says:

    What are the chances NJ’s state and local officials announce real estate owners can defer property taxes? Would free up a lot of cash for NJ consumers.

  36. B00m3r Freeby2024 AndSoonerAtThisRate says:

    Boy, the Universe does not seem to like Boomer Politicians.

    Boris Johnson in Hospital for Wuhan Cooties. Figure is just a matter of time before it gets to Sleepy Joe/Orange Hoover.

    In the d!ck measurement – here are mine, in the last few days I worked intubated 3 (youngest 88), 2 deceased. Moved 4 long term ventilator patient to a McGyver BIPAP set up, otherwise is the 6 under.

    For you weanies, I wear 3 different types of mask, based on the environment I’m in. Droplet for Cold Areas aka walking around the hospital, N95 for Warm areas like in the ICU, ER and a self made HEPA Filter Mask that gets wiped down in Hot Areas next to patients.

    Why self made, well because the boomers sold out the country’s manufacturing to Commie China and now no ones knows how to build anything.

    Being around the cooties since ’86, first time in the back of an ambulance with AIDS patients. One thing I got to say is the crisis hourly pay by desperate hospital/agencies – saw one yesterday for x4 usual hourly rate. It is a great day for a field generally made of anti-social misfits with a knack for engineering.

  37. NJCoast says:

    I’ll go with none are the chances of a property tax deferment.

  38. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Praise the lord! They left for the shore house.

  39. NJCoast says:

    Gee thanks.

  40. Libturd says:

    Sushi? I don’t do takeout, but if I did, it would be something I can cook the sh1t out of.

    I’ve gone 25 days without takeout. My daily BM has been a thing of beauty. I’m sleeping more, getting caught up on movies I’ve missed and banging things off the repair list like there’s no tomorrow. Heck, my house has never been this clean.

    Anyone see the movie Waves? Though incredibly depressing, what an amazing piece of film making.

    In other news, getting groceries delivered appears to be a relic of the past. I am contemplating driving to Pennsylvania to do some food hording. We have plenty of dry goods left, but could use another month’s worth of meat, some dairy and some fresh produce. Supermarkets here are way too dangerously overcrowded.

    I could care less how each of you choose to lock down as those who get sick will add to the herd immunity shortening my stay. And from what I’ve witnessed on my few times out of the house (been to a retail establishment three times in total), herd immunity will occur sooner rather than later. I went to Lowes in Paterson today to pickup an online order. I was very skeptical as the lot was packed, but it was all regular shoppers. Many wearing masks, but about 1/3rd oblivious. I was the only person at the online pickup and didn’t have to come within 10 feet of anyone else for the 30 seconds for which I was there. It’s also nice that they put it right at the entrance of the store so you really don’t interact with the regular shoppers. Was able to enter and leave without touching anything but a sheet of drywall and a bucket of mud. On the way to the store, I couldn’t believe the lines at both Hot Bagels abroad (at least 20 cars) and a line to get in and at Micro Center where the line wrapped a solid 100 yards and had at least 150 people in it. This I don’t get. Anything you need there you could easily have shipped to you. On the bright side, the Parkway was empty and I could get there and back in about 20 minutes. Also noticed the parking lot at the Stop & Shop in Clifton had no empty spaces at 1pm today.

  41. Juice Box says:

    NYC Doc sounds the alarm on using ventilators.

    Says we are doing it wrong, Covid19 patients need O2 not pressure.


  42. joyce says:

    Should we encourage activities to increase the pace in which herd immunity is achieved?

    Libturd says:
    April 5, 2020 at 5:53 pm

    I could care less how each of you choose to lock down as those who get sick will add to the herd immunity shortening my stay. And from what I’ve witnessed on my few times out of the house (been to a retail establishment three times in total), herd immunity will occur sooner rather than later.

  43. Juice Box says:

    Another write about ventilators.


  44. Stuart J Weissman says:

    “Should we encourage activities to increase the pace in which herd immunity is achieved?”

    If people want to risk infection on my behalf, more power to them. But I wouldn’t encourage it. I prefer my friends, like my oysters. Alive.

  45. ExEssex says:

    Who the fuuuuuuuuuuck calls someone Buckwheat.
    That’s so cringy motherfvckin’ stupid. What year is this?
    Left wing is a known cretin. So it adds up. Never been
    So happy to be out of NNJ. What a cesspool.

  46. Fabisu Maximus says:


    I will continue to be “snakey”about Trump and will constantly remind Gary of the “Winning” Trump was handed a playbook and infrastructure on all of this and he dismantled it. Now the response can be at best described as incompetent. Acting directors across all levels of gvmt

    The CT gov summed it up perfectly:
    “My team spent last week trying to understand how the Administration is or isn’t directing the medical equipment supply chain.
    Our conclusion: it’s a total, complete, absolute clusterf**k.
    No one is in charge. No one knows the rules. No one knows where the supplies are.”

  47. joyce says:

    I think that would be reasonable. Private individuals, organizations and businesses can decide for themselves if the risk is worth it. Public entities would have to do what the current elected officials decide, which is shutdown.

    Stuart J Weissman says:
    April 5, 2020 at 7:55 pm
    “Should we encourage activities to increase the pace in which herd immunity is achieved?”

    If people want to risk infection on my behalf, more power to them. But I wouldn’t encourage it. I prefer my friends, like my oysters. Alive.

  48. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Gee thanks.

    You can keep em!

  49. Grim says:

    Wife says coronaviruses typical in cats, that’s why folks are saying people in the veterinary fields may have some immunity.

  50. Fabius Maximus says:


    Before you head to PA, Restraunt Depot are starting to open to the Public. call your local store. Its not for everyone. They are getting hit with all the restaurants shutting down so Fresh stock is changing. But Asparagus and High end meet is in good supply.

    When you shop there, you have to be set up to handle it. I have a 20cuFt freezer, Vacuum Sealer, smoker and canning supplies. I have been eating down all the boxed processed stuff to make room for raw essentials and home made prepared. No more Dino Nuggets.

    Youtube is a great resource here. There are no problems with my strip steaks.

  51. Chicago says:

    Stu: You live in the wrong part of the state. Essex is a train wreck. Marlboro Costco and Whole Foods are calm and empty. Costco has a minor queue as the store opens but it dissipates after about 30 minutes. Just 5-10 minutes down 18 from East Brunswick.

  52. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Saw a hilarious post. Lockdown is like Sunday over and over again in Bergen County.

  53. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    We have been saving those 32 oz yogurt containers religiously for a few years. I must have 200 with lids downstairs. My kids eat a lot of yogurt. Smoked a turkey the other day. Filled 6 containers with turkey meat. Turned the carcass into stock and filled another 8 containers. I have 4 freezers at home, 2 fridges and 2 chest freezers. Typically, about now we are going through the entire summers production of tomatoes and eggplants so I have lots of space. Maybe I’ll go down to Restaurant Depot and see if I can get something like short rib or osso buco in bulk. That freezes well after braising.

  54. RentL0rd says:

    Grim, other corona viruses may be common in cats. But COVID-19 is a first in our understanding. WHO said it cannot be transmitted from humans to other animals… so if this is true, this is major.

  55. Dink says:

    ” I shared my opinion that we would max out around 20,000 deaths. Still possible if there is some amazing break-thru on the drug/treatment side, but based on a new week of data, I am going to say that we end up with 25,000 – 30,000 deaths.”

    Keep going. Unless you mean 25k to 30k over the next couple of weeks only.

  56. grim says:

    Lot of strange fires impacting businesses lately.

  57. Very Stable Genius says:

    CNBC calling for a bailout of the real estate industry. Most likely trump properties will benefit from it.

    The fix is in. What grifter, him and jared.

  58. grim says:

    Does the COVID impact to California, NY, and NJ gives some impetus to reverse the tax deductibility loss?

  59. grim says:

    Need the antibody tests, widespread.

    Need to understand how many people have already had it.

    Beginning to feel that this has been far more widespread than anyone believed, and it was already widespread globally by the time we heard the first news out of China.

  60. juice box says:

    Cull the kitties? inconclusive.

    Wanna bet that news story is going to cause a kitty Holocaust?


  61. grim says:

    Would be more worried about rats and other rodents.

  62. juice box says:

    grim – History Rhymes. nonpayment of rent >Bronx is burning? During the 70s my old man was busy emergency services for ConEd in the Bronx. He got an award from Ed Koch for saving lives, they regularly pulled people out of burning buildings and they weren’t even firemen. All over unpaid rent.

  63. D-FENS says:

    I’m on record saying it started here in December Grim.

    Mine ended with an eye infection…so I went to the doctor for drops. Doctor’s office was absolutely packed with people who had Flu-like symptoms…

  64. Juice Box says:

    re: more worried about rats and other rodents

    Yes you, but you are not a pregnant woman or the neighborhood Karen.

    Smokey and Tigger better make a run fur it.

  65. D-FENS says:

    Juice hearing that from multiple sources. I wish I could find it but I also read an article that listed treatment methods and the number of people who were put on ventilators and died was high. Might be coincidental but put together with this it’s interesting…


    Virus is disrupting the hemoglobin’s oxygen capacity. It is attacking our BLOOD first, not the lungs. It is NOT a respiratory ailment (primarily), lung breakdown symptoms are a consequence of the attack on blood hemoglobins.

    Hypoxia is happening BEFORE lungs are affected.

    Juice Box says:
    April 5, 2020 at 6:15 pm
    NYC Doc sounds the alarm on using ventilators.

    Says we are doing it wrong, Covid19 patients need O2 not pressure.

  66. Juice Box says:

    Bread Lines are here for good. The bog box retailers have all agreed to limit in store traffic to about 20% capacity.

  67. Juice Box says:

    D-FENS – ventilator survival rate in China was just 5%.

  68. Juice Box says:

    D-FENS – As I listed in an earlier post only certain hospitals are participating in the drug trials that would keep you off the ventilator.

    Make sure you and yours go to one of those hospitals if they get extremely sick.

    Patient Zero in NJ James Cai’s story was in the NY Times yesterday. His treatment seems to have worked and he was only hours away from being put into a coma and on the ventilator.

    BTW – he won’t admit to (where he got the virus) it but he treats mostly Chinese patients in his practice as a PA. There were over 1/2 million people who traveled to the US from China in the month or so leading up to the travel ban.


  69. Libturd says:

    Is it the Chinese year of the cat?

  70. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Take some EPO and spike your RBC count. Or maybe we should just be harvesting our own RBCs to inject ourselves when the time comes.

  71. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Beginning to feel that this has been far more widespread than anyone believed, and it was already widespread globally by the time we heard the first news out of China

    Had to have been. The amount of people that were diagnosed as sick with this at the beginning of March in the state cannot grow to 40,000 that quickly. My guess is, this was way more contagious than they even thought 2 weeks ago (hence the fask mask advisory), and the amount of people that are symptom free could be much higher than we thought).

  72. Fast Eddie says:

    Somewhere back in November/December, I had what felt like the onset of a cold and annoying cough that would sort of come and go. I eventually went to the local Medi Center and they gave me a prescription for prednisone and cough medicine. It finally left but it was on and off for a number of weeks. I wonder…

  73. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    The ventilator situation is the fake news of the week. Not only is the survivability improvement in question, but you need the staff and facilities to run them. But when you have to maintain 90% negative coverage then you need fodder.

  74. B00m3r Freeby2025 says:


    Regarding your post that patients need O2 not Pressure, the issue is the catch 22 that you need need pressure to get O2 in. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveolar–arterial_gradient

    About the hemoglobins O2 carrying capacity taken out, well sounds intriguing, falls into the area of how methylene blue works. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylene_blue

  75. Walking says:

    Regarding how long this has been in the country vs how contagious. It seems like officials knew both but are slowly boiling the water so that we do not panic. We have lived through West Nile, zika, lyme disease , and never a thought of shelter in place shut down the country.

    Anyone speak to a state police officer know what their next plan is? Cause you know that’s in place

  76. Very Stable Genius says:

    Berman: What are your qualifications to weigh in on medicines more than Dr. Fauci?

    Navarro: My qualifications in terms of looking at the science is that I’m a social scientist. I have a PHD, I understand how to read studies

  77. B00m3r Freeby2025 says:

    Read this,

    He had a pulse oximeter on his finger and could keep an eye on his own oxygen levels. He could see that they were unstable, sometimes dropping momentarily to a unnervingly low level of saturation — 85 percent — before shooting right back up. In a healthy individual, saturation levels typically remain above 95 percent. “I have difficulty breathing now, too much phlegm,” he wrote to Huang. Especially when he lay flat, his oxygen levels fell. “I need to get up and take a deep breath.” He felt as if he had been swimming under water, then surfacing to try to get relief — but his breaths were never deep enough to provide it.
    (Means needs humidity, on your stomach and a lot coughing to bring secretions out)

    And this,

    They would determine treatment based on oxygen levels, which they were keeping an eye on. Simply moving Cai to the scanner risked exposing health care workers to the virus. Decontaminating the room that held the scanner would also take time, during which the scanner could not be used.
    (Means why you need a military take over with field hospitals just for Wuhan Virus with everyone wearing Level B/C HazMat and following biological hazard protocols)


    He was being given oxygen, but even still, he saw his numbers trending downward — in the 80s. Concerned, he messaged a WeChat group that included his father and a doctor his father knew in Shanghai, who had been advising that Cai be put on a high-flow nasal oxygen cannula, a device that allows for a more intensive and stable delivery of oxygen into the lungs. Cai requested that treatment, but the nurses on duty said that they didn’t have the clearance to make that decision.

    He repeatedly called for the nurse, and when she arrived, he spoke as harshly as he ever had to a fellow medical professional. “I am not going to sleep until I see a respiratory therapist,” he told her. He wanted closer monitoring; and he wanted the expert care of someone who could provide a higher level of oxygen dispersal. He dropped Chen’s name, even though he knew the name likely meant nothing to the nurse; he reminded the nurse that he was a physician assistant and could judge for himself his risk. Finally, at around midnight, a respiratory therapist arrived with a Venturi mask, providing a treatment that was not as powerful as high-flow but that still provided higher concentrations of oxygen than Cai had been getting. The therapist also took blood for a test that would assess Cai’s lung functioning.

    That day, Cai was given chloroquine and Ka­­letra; he was also put on high-flow oxygen, that high-concentration oxygen delivered through the nose. The method allows patients at risk of respiratory failure to stave off intubation and ventilators; but because the patient can breathe and talk through the mouth, the oxygen mixes with the virus in the patient’s nose and windpipe and, especially at highest pressures, can be breathed out into the air. Doctors in the United States have been forced to weigh a medical option that might spare a patient ventilation but could expose medical practitioners to far greater risk. Cai — as the first patient in a hospital that would be, weeks later, flooded by other patients in even more dire circum­stances, including their own staff members — received the treatment.
    (Means because everyone is afraid and not set up for Level B/C they intubate and put on vent vs high flow + postural drainage and coughing)

  78. Fast Eddie says:

    B00m3r Freeby2025

    The point is to get oxygen into the bloodstream. I assume nebulizers or metered dose inhalers of some sort hasn’t been discussed?

  79. leftwing says:


    Look at the color coded bars by state, by day. Pretty rapid deceleration in new cases in all states with two very minor exceptions, DE and Guam (presumably the USN carrier).

    Of course, deaths will still go up as aggregate cases increase, especially if/when healthcare systems get through ICU capacity. But this is the first turn everyone was seeking….

    Question for the board….anyone see or know of any research on any factor that would re-accelerate these levels?

  80. leftwing says:

    “Left wing is a known cretin. So it adds up. Never been
    So happy to be out of NNJ. What a cesspool.”

    SX! Thanks for call out. Good to hear from you!

    So, reply in kind….everyone knows you’re a fat assed drunk sucking off the government’s teet and your employed wife. Tell us, how far in the bag were you when you posted? Any recall at all of even typing it?

    Cheers, brother. Lift another.

  81. Fast Eddie says:


    Don’t have a subscription to NY Times… can’t see it but happy to read it. There’s a few articles on the Net stating the same. I haven’t had a chance to read in depth, yet.

  82. Juice Box says:

    This gotcha game about clinical evidence and experts is really tiring.
    Clinical evidence is a hierarchy of evidence with seven levels. It will take years to get to level seven, which in itself is still an opinion of a expert committee.

    By time time any of this gets to that level it will be all over, the experts who sit on those committees are always going to say there isn’t enough clinical evidence, no matter how many times and how many different ways you phrase the question.

  83. B00m3r Freeby2025 says:

    Fast Eddie,

    Nebulizers and MDI are to delivered medications into the lung not oxygen. Right now medication nebulizers or any time of humidification that aerosolize particles are avoided because the catch 22 I said above.

    No one has proper Level B/C HazMat Hepa Filter Full Head Mask, just N95 with regular PPE which does not protect you enough from the aerosolized particles. So everyone wants to intubate and put on ventilator because the true ventilators have HEPA filter equivalent at both end of the circuit, so less virus particles running around.

    So if you had the proper equipment and proper location you could do other modalities, instead of the present intubate, put away in a ventilator and do a death watch.

    The horror of this Wuhan Virus is not the virus itself, but the ideological and cognitive bias which are not allowing to handle properly because it would challenge “tradition” to quote Zero Mostel.

    This is something that requires the military medical wings, because at this time they are the ones that have the bacteriological protection equipment and manpower to do it right. Hospitals are creatures of old nurse managers and bean counters, and this Virus is a job for scientists and microbiologists. You have to treat it as such and respect it. The virus is not C.Diff, MRSA or Klebsiella. Trying to treat it like it is the problem.

  84. Deadconomy says:

    My god this stock market is out of touch with reality.

  85. JCer says:

    Grim, on the Veterinarians having immunity, with COVID id does not seem to be true. My sister is an emergency vet and they have had cases in both Doctors and techs. It is true that they have good immune systems, my sister is literally never sick despite holding ridiculous hours, her shifts are 14 hours and if there is an emergency it can go longer, she sometimes goes 24 hours with no sleep. They are still working and when I asked my sister about PPE she said we haven’t changed what we do other than the Vets not interacting with pet owners, no PPE outside of surgery. So hopefully these reports of cats having it are not true.

    On take out, Sushi is not one I would do, my daughter asked for it the other day, I’m more open on takeout but my wife has us on hard lock down. In general you’d want hot food, frankly 135 degrees for a few minutes likely kills enough virus and ingesting it is not the ideal route for infection that you would not get infected from cooked food. Cold food, sushi, salads, etc are a bigger risk. Again that being said if you aren’t eating with your hands eating isn’t the ideal vector for viral spread. I for one would not be concerned but if I thought I was particularly at risk I’d avoid it.

    I’m going to reiterate we have some antivirals that have good ancillary data work. We need to administer than much earlier, none of this stay at home until your oxygen levels fall, go to hospital, d*ck around for a day or two on O2, than administer drugs. That lunatic Navarro is actually right about giving the drugs but wrong about have good data, the data is cr*p but given what is happening do we care? This disease is serious, when I had what I now think was COVID my resting heart rate was 105(normally around 65 bpm) and my BP was 165/100 when it is normally 115/65. At the time I thought it was odd, in retrospect I now realize my body was struggling for oxygen and even after most symptoms passed my resting heart rate remained elevated(80-90) for about a week.

    My 2 cents drugs are the solution not ventilators. At best 25% who go on one get off and the practice of intubating people with COVID just aerializes the virus. Early intervention with antivirals(HCL, Remdesivir, et al) and if patients go critical treat them for the CRS with Actemra or the like(immunosupressants). It’s clear to me that intubation should be a last resort, people over 80 should most likely not be put on a ventilator. I suspect by the time we have huge numbers of ventilator available they are going to decide we don’t need them….

  86. Juice Box says:

    Update from an emergency physician at Maimonides medical center in Brooklyn.


  87. Juice Box says:

    The big cats at the Bronx Zoo got Covid19 from a human a Zookeeper, someone asymptomatic, perhaps a sneeze? I don’t think they come into direct contacts as this isn’t Tiger King’s petting zoo.

    Again WHO is way wrong, as the Chinese have already studies transmission with animals and they went around culling cats and dogs back in February.

    Just saying….it may not be entirely the supermarkets isle causing further transmissions.

  88. Libturd, Booyah says:


    My TA says buy today. My spidy sense says start scaling in today too. I feel we are 50/50 going higher or lower from here. There are just too many possible optimistic things hanging in the wait. First, if the cases in New York have reached peak, then our country can handle the treatment of the spread in the same manner as New York without worrying too much about overloading the system. Now what’s causing the slowing? Who knows? It could be more people actually separating. It could be those susceptible (the nose pickers and non non-hand washers) have been picked off already. It could be the weather? On the flip side, the leveling off could be poor weekend reporting in NYC. It could be that more people are sick at home since they fear heading to the hospitals. Who the hell knows? Economically, if we have reached peak, we are probably four more weeks away from being able to leave our homes with precautions. Once the numbers start dropping, they start dropping quickly.

    For me, the bigger issue is the question of population density and how much of an impact does it have on the spread. If New York City needs to play out across the rest of the country, the economy is going to really suffer greatly and I doubt we are at the bottom. If the rest of the country locks down and begins practicing REAL social separation before we got the picture, then perhaps it won’t be as bad as I originally thought. None the less, I wouldn’t try to restart the economy here at least until new cases drop to under 50 a day or so. It will be interesting to see if the rest of the country can keep their numbers down.

    With that said, I’m going in with about 1/4 of my holdings today. Will make a new chart and will survey the internets tonight as to whether the numbers this weekend were bad reporting or have we reached the peak in NYC. Will probably continue scaling in if we go either way from here.

    Chi. I have identified a number of companies that fit the desired profile you generously suggested. Think the larger, highly traded ETFs (SPY/VUG etc.) will be a decent instrument for the return to normalcy? Or do you think they are fundamentally broken now?

  89. leftwing says:

    “This disease is serious, when I had what I now think was COVID my resting heart rate was 105(normally around 65 bpm)”

    That’s out of control. My resting is below optimal, can’t imagine how a resting of 105 feels. Like permanently just getting off a lifecycle I guess.

  90. chicagofinance says:

    Going vanilla route is not a bad idea…..

    2 unrelated things…… on SPX we traded SPOT-ON to the 200 Day and we are sitting there…..

    I think there could be a Russell 2000 call too, because that this has gotten completely sh!thammered…… I just don’t want to go passive….. I think I want to find an active manager that can separate out all the Oil & Gas detritus and also the zombie companies…..

    Libturd, Booyah says:
    April 6, 2020 at 1:37 pm
    Chi. I have identified a number of companies that fit the desired profile you generously suggested. Think the larger, highly traded ETFs (SPY/VUG etc.) will be a decent instrument for the return to normalcy? Or do you think they are fundamentally broken now?

  91. Libturd says:

    TY boss.

  92. joyce says:

    Is Booker joining the press conference today a sign that they’re starting to take ‘victory’ laps?

  93. Fast Eddie says:


    What press conference?

  94. Yo! says:

    Shock news: American Dream owner says can’t pay bills.


    Should property tax ($57 million on 2021) be given?

  95. Hold my beer says:

    Boris Johnson moved to ICU

  96. juice box says:

    Getting him ready for intubation, they added he is still conscious at this time

  97. joyce says:

    Governor’s daily press conference

    Fast Eddie says:
    April 6, 2020 at 3:30 pm

    What press conference?

  98. No One says:

    Here’s a new topic for debate.
    Which movies and TV series’ should one watch while stuck at home?
    One of the favorites I saw last year was Dunkirk. A really good movie for putting our temporary privations in perspective. An anti-pu$$y movie. Has Nolan ever made a bad movie? Not that I’ve seen so far.

    I’ve been watching “The Crown” Netflix series – it’s ok but I don’t love it, plan to stop after Season 2.
    My wife and I liked Downton Abbey much more.
    Neither one of us ever watched The Sopranos series. But why do I want to watch a show about bunch of NJ crooks?

  99. Juice Box says:

    My wife likes Ozark.

  100. Walking says:

    No one – give flea bag on Amazon a try if the British accent dies not annoy you. It does has lots of sx scenes so not family friendly

  101. leftwing says:

    “If New York City needs to play out across the rest of the country, the economy is going to really suffer greatly and I doubt we are at the bottom. If the rest of the country locks down and begins practicing REAL social separation before we got the picture, then perhaps it won’t be as bad as I originally thought.”

    Lib, look at the NYT link I posted. They are tracking every covid case in the US. Data show diagnoses in every state absent DE decelerated over the last three days. They make it all available in csv at github. Outside their paywall, may need to register though.

    I’ll throw a link up later to forecasts some of the med guys I’ve worked with in past use. From guys that do hurricane models. For better or worse lol.

    Lastly, I mentioned last week we’ll see two spikes, NY slowing and a therapeutic backed by the FDA which should come shortly. Two pops, but I’m still long term bear. Not going to pull the economy out with a V…plus, I hate buying into days like today. Everything was bought, some industries 25-30% up. Indiscriminate buying is just as bad as indiscriminate selling. Be careful.

  102. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Here’s a new topic for debate.
    Which movies and TV series’ should one watch while stuck at home?
    One of the favorites I saw last year was Dunkirk. A really good movie for putting our temporary privations in perspective. An anti-pu$$y movie. Has Nolan ever made a bad movie? Not that I’ve seen so far.

    Nolan’s first movie, Memento, is the best as far as I am concerned. I remember knowing nothing about him but he won some award so we rented it. Still to this day, amazing movie.

  103. Juice Box says:

    Humm – laughing gas and B*o*n*er Meds to treat covid19

    Safe link from LA Times…


  104. Juice IsDyslexic says:


    Laughing Gas is Nitrous Oxide. This is Nitric Oxide, ventilator just went off patent INOVent. Is the gas equivalent of nitroglycerin patches/pills to dilate the lungs blood vessels and lower the pulmonary pressure.

  105. Juice Box says:

    No need to hide behind a screen name my feelings aren’t for you. You are confusing my temporal lobe being inundated with a strong intoxicant and dyslexia. Nitric vs Nitrous, yeah NO and not N2O and not definitely not C6H8O6S, the point was to get a laugh you dullard.

    Hey that trait laughter is not commonly found these days, however it’s true I am dyslexic but that is a trait not commonly found in dullards. So how about lay one on us? Something funny ya know like the time you took Nitrous at a rave.

  106. Juice Box says:

    As I look out my window and check my calendar tomorrow is April 7th the full moon, the biggest full pink moon of this year. I am going to stick my moon out the window how about you?

  107. ExEssex says:

    11:53 not really a drinker. But I get the idea, you dog faced pony soldier.
    Hickkkkkk- up. This ones for you: https://youtu.be/1JE4JJddZx4

  108. Juice Box says:

    Yeah we know ExEssex a joint a day keeps the doctor away!

  109. Hold my beer says:

    No One

    If you don’t mind subtitles Netflix has Vagabond. It’s a good revenge action drama series about corruption at defense contractors and high levels of korean government

    Kingdom on Netflix is also good. Its about zombies in Medieval korea. Has 2 seasons

    If you like dark police mysteries Bosch on amazon is good. There are 5 or 6 seasons of it

    British shows . I watched these on Acorntv. I liked the first few seasons of Cracker. The main character is a brilliant psychiatrist who the police bring in to profile criminals on major cases, but he is a complete mess. Morbidly obese self destructive chain smoking drunk who is a compulsive gambler and abrasive and obnoxious. Foyle’s War was also good. That’s about a British detective during world war II.
    If you like mindless entertainment the first few seasons of Lovejoy were good too. It’s from around 1980 about a sketchy antiques dealer who was always getting into trouble or involved in some sort of mystery or con and trying to wiggle his way out of it.

  110. JCer says:

    Juice I’m telling you they need to give the Drugs sooner, lots of anecdotal data but it seems there is an effect. I’d rather over prescribe than let people die.

  111. Juice Box says:

    JCer – problem with anecdotal means lawsuit. I love all of our Docs, Nurses and those on the front lines. It’t time for law reform. Go ask Pelosi and the rest, everything else is noise.

  112. JCer says:

    Juice, if you have this you’d sign any kind of waiver for a drug like Planequil which has minimal side effects, it’s a nasty bug even if it isn’t going to kill you. If there was a 5% chance i’d be headed to ICU and even a .1% chance of death as soon as symptoms showed up I’d take the HCL, it is a known quantity, it’s been in use since the 30’s. Bigger positive is that I’d be shedding less virus and would be less likely to get my family sick.

    Juice it is past time for tort reform, I’m not sure who benefits from the current setup. Doctors make a lot of serious mistakes that they shouldn’t make and the legal system doesn’t really hold them accountable. People who are legitimately wronged by the medical system don’t collect and a bunch of people who have no business collecting get big settlements that lawyers take most of anyway.

    I’ve seen the docs in the ER use the bean counter checklist form of medicine and it kills people. If you go to an ER with something uncommon dollars to donuts they’ll be checking your heart when you have no history that indicates a heart problem and will miss what will kill you until it’s too late. Just the way the medical establishment has been handling COVID shows it, I know people had this sooner and it went untested and unreported and it was festering under the surface in Jan/Feb, even if the government had acted sooner it was already here and our medical professionals were ignoring it.

  113. Juice Box says:

    re: “Our medical professionals were ignoring it.” They are suffering as you know, no time to throw stones. I have a few docs and nurses and others in the medical profession in my circle and I am not about to cast blame. We need to find treatment a way long time before a vaccine because those know there is no vaccine. Even Dr. Fauci know how tricky this is, after all 40 years trying create a HIV Vaccine..

  114. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I applaud Jimmy Fallon for doing his show from home everyday…but he’s just lost. I watching the 11 o clock news and he’s on directly after. I can’t picture anyone enjoying this.

  115. JCer says:

    Juice I was not pointing the finger at doctors or nurses but rather the CDC and the NIH, the medical bureaucracy. We basically pretended that cat was not out of the bag and anyone who had it traveled to China. It could also be a result of the WHO disinformation campaign but given what happened in China the guidance from the feds should have been more aggressive.

  116. Nomad says:

    Looks like Navarro’s memos in Jan and Feb spot on but blocked from reaching their destination. Apparently some thought that as a China hawk, he had an alternative agenda and gave no credence to his memos. Wonder which person in the administration prevented them from getting them to the top.


  117. grim says:

    Impressed with the quality of analysis in the memo.

    Objective, well considered, data driven.

  118. D-FENS says:

    Dr Oz. Upset that Cuomo banned the use of the trump cocktail and killed his study on its effectiveness


  119. D-FENS says:

    How does the bot’s comment get through and mine is moderated

  120. Juice Box says:


    Cumon CNN needs headlines to keep the lights on.

    “Navarro’s laughable claim that he knows better than Fauci”

  121. Fabius Maximus says:

    How greatness is acheived!

    ‘Whenever you hear someone complain about “liberal activist judges,” think of this moment where the Supreme Court’s conservative majority quite literally made up law to require Wisconsin to hold its primary election in the midst of a deadly pandemic.’

  122. Juice Box says:

    Life insurance must be paid up, no pharmaceuticals. His wife is “treating” him.


    Every day is a gift. ♥️ Many have asked how Chris is doing and what meds he’s taking. Here’s an update: After one week of up and down symptoms—chills, body aches, total exhaustion, sleeplessness, and a fever that hit 103, he is on day 11 today, (day 1 being first day of allergy-like symptoms)—he seems slightly better, but still feels the incredible lethargy, with fever down to 99 for past 3 days. His Oxygen levels (tested daily on a finger Oximeter) were normal all week. He has maintained his sense of taste and smell, but not his usual hearty Italian appetite. His lungs were x-rayed yesterday and they were mostly clear. 💙 Thank you for amazing homemade goodies from friends and the outpouring of love + humor so many of you have provided. They are the oxygen for these biblical times. 🙏 ….
    CHRIS’ CORONA PROTOCOL—WEEK ONE, began March 30th when positive test came back: ….
    🌼 FOR MEDICINE: I enlisted @drlindalancaster @lightharmonics , an Energy Medicine physician, who helped me cure my aggressive Lyme Disease last summer and who treated my mother for breast cancer 20 years ago. Her training is in Ayurveda, medical radiesthesia, radionics, energy healing, nutrition, herbal medicine and detoxification methods. Since this particular virus has no proven remedy, as Lyme does not, she assigned oxygenated herbs, natural remedies and homeopathics to boost Chris’ immune system for the battle ahead. ….
    🥗 FOR FOOD: The food plan I outlined was meant to cleanse his liver with whole, vital, organic foods so it can manage the viral die-off and provide him with much-needed energy, nutrients, anti-viral, anti-inflammatory properties, like basic chicken soup, and foods low in immune-busting chemicals like pesticides. ….
    🌞 FOR BREATHE + MOVEMENT: 30 minutes daily sunshine helps Vitamin D level. He has also been sitting in the @sunlightensaunas daily, which makes him feel better + has helped with his fever. He has been doing breathing (resonance) exercises everyday for his lungs (video in link), as well as walking around the yard 🌸 so he can get fluid flowing out of lungs. 💛 For all the info on CHRIS’ DAILY ANTI VIRALS + MY DIARY OF FOOD—WEEK ONE, see link in bio. #rebirth

  123. Juice Box says:

    Fab -Does it take longer for dead people to vote in Wisconsin? Paper ballots should be made illegal. There are better more secure ways.

  124. Deadconomy says:

    I have totally given up making sense of the stock market. It’s a paradise for irrationality. Get rewarded for irrational thoughts.

  125. Libturd, Booyah says:


    Always remember. The market is forward looking. It is a combination of fundamentals and psychology. Though I would expect a recession for sure. There is no reason for the economy not to rebound strongly after this. Especially when you consider the groups that are being impacted (unfairly) by this virus.

    Sadly, ot’s of inheritance money will be entering the markets and lots of poor people will die.

    But it’s not like these small businesses will be taken over by new small businesses offering the same services as the prior.

  126. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I think that’s BS. I bet he’s taking hydroxychloroquine but that doesn’t jive with CNNs hate of the possible treatment. But yeah, herbal and natural remedies seem like the double blind tested rigor.

  127. Deadconomy says:

    Lib, market is flying and these clowns talking about the need for more stimulus. What gives? My mind is unable to make sense of this.

    “Congressional leaders and the White House are converging on the need for a new assistance package to try to contain the coronavirus pandemic’s economic devastation, fearful that a $2 trillion bailout law enacted last month will have only a limited effect.”

  128. Deadconomy says:

    It’s okay, the govt will pay you more than we can. Move along, nothing to see here. So instead of companies losing money, the taxpayer does. Or I should say future taxpayers.

    “Equinox joins a num­ber of com­pa­nies, in­clud­ing Macy’s Inc. and Steel­case Inc., that are cit­ing the fed­eral gov­ern­ment’s beefed-up un­em­ploy­ment ben­e­fits as they fur­lough or lay off staff amid the coro­n­avirus pan­demic. The stim­u­lus pack­age is chang­ing the cal­cu­lus for some em­ploy­ers, which can now cut pay­roll costs with­out feel­ing they are aban­don-ing their em­ploy­ees.”-Wsj

  129. DeBlankenfein Unchained says:

    “these clowns talking about the need for more stimulus.”

    The Wall Street masters of debt issuance will always squeeze as much profit from their political slaves as is possible. Especially when it comes to expanding debt to pay for it. What do they care?

  130. Juice Box says:

    hate of the possible treatment?

    No they are now saying it’s a conspiracy to get rich according to the NY Times and every left leaning publication. As if he released the virus himself to enrich himself and his cronies.

    “Trump Has ‘Financial Interest’ in Hydroxychloroquine Manufacturer: NYT”


  131. Juice Box says:

    ” feel­ing they are aban­don-ing”

    That is rich almost as if the amortal companies were ever living breathing feeling entities.

    After our last round of furloughs which were planned before the last bailout bill even passed our company is now resorting to time-sheets to figure out who gets culled next. I have taken on the responsibilities of many of those laid off and furloughed but even a master of deception like me may no longer be able to avoid the reaper.

    We will get to 30% unemployment by May if this keeps up.

  132. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    This whole debate is silly. It cannot be declared a miracle cure, because we haven’t proven it. But it’s not a far fetched idea that medicines that inhibit viral replication in general would have some effectiveness on the disease. We should ramp up production because anyone would be willing to put down $20 to take a drug that’s safely been administered over several decades.

    The side effects are well known and rare. It’s very simple to monitor for the potential side effects as well.

    If you were on your deathbed from a mysterious bacterial infection, are you really going to say “those antibiotics haven’t undergone a double blind study” or are you going to take the antibiotics.

  133. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I’ve always said that unemployment should be a decay function. It’s should be $30 less every week until it decays down to zero. Give them motivation to find a job.

  134. chicagofinance says:

    50% retracement is just below 2,800 on S&P….. you can see that we traded right to the 200 Day MA yesterday around 2,630….. it took everything at the end of the day to break through it….. since it held, the next level is below 2,800….. that said, it is a much stronger resistance level…. without getting lost in the weeds, everyone is giddy that we seemed to find the apex in the curve on the epidemic. Market actors are not thinking holistically. The economy is damaged. We still have COVID sloshing around out there…… there only so far this will go….

    Think about this….. restaurants….. the bar is closed and social distancing put into effect throughout…… better than nothing, but still not good.

    Next week is the beginning of earnings and forecasts. We have mostly heard from Public Health administrators and analysts, and economists. Next week we hear from actual companies, what they believe, and what they are willing to socialize with the public.

    To reiterate, TA is not what I do….. I am just spitting out ad hoc opinions….

    Deadconomy says:
    April 7, 2020 at 9:24 am
    I have totally given up making sense of the stock market. It’s a paradise for irrationality. Get rewarded for irrational thoughts.

  135. Nomad says:


    The Axios piece teaches a few good lessons; people acquire a reputation, deservedly or not and the masses may not ever get the true facts or take the time to learn about who the real person is. I’ve always heard Navaro was a crackpot, never really studied the guy and perhaps on some issues, his position is viewed as a bit too aggressive but he appeared very thorough and methodical on this one.

    Part of the problem in todays world is that each side tends to go directly to the extreme and good conversation, with valid opposing viewpoints and or data has gone the way of the buggy whip. Over time, due to education, training and work environment, the human condition is to become a bit myopic. Fauci thinks and acts like an MD and most docs look heavily at evidence based medicine. For COVID 19, we are at the very beginning of getting evidence. The one issue for Hydroxy is it does in fact interact in a bad way with some diabetes meds. There should be some type of emergency data repository that any hospital can access, like a daily COVID 19 update – “don’t use Hydroxy with diabetic patients on … For ventilation, “some patients will respond well with O2 via nasal canal and patient laying on their side.. ” Some of this stuff isn’t very sophisticated but it is important. The nation and medical community have to go through some of this to learn more. We do need however, an updated federal warehousing system (physical structure and IT system) to handle all of this. COVID 19 seems to be reasonably aggressive, and in the future, if something else comes along that contaminates the masses faster with a much higher lethality rate, it’s going to be a problem unless we have a rapid deployment system and I can’t think of any reason why our country cannot implement such a system.

    On voting, why not paper ballots and what’s your idea for a better system. Seems like the country should be on one platform, but maybe 3-4 standardized systems so we have redundancy.

  136. No One says:

    If Trump were a bit more articulate, he’d remind people that Hydroxychloroquine “HQ” should only be taken only under the supervision of a doctor.

    I’m hearing that it’s better to start in early stages rather than when it’s become an ICU case. Are doctors comparing notes on this, or does your treatment just depend on whether your doctor watches Fox vs CNN?

    Meanwhile, is CNN creating headlines about Cuomo’s belief in demanding double blind testing for Cuomo’s energy medicine and oxygenated herbs? Are those working better than HQ?

    Here’s the real question – to anyone who actually knows the science – if I started feeling virus symptoms and was not in the lowest risk groups, should I search for a doctor willing to prescribe the HQ and the partner medicines to try to keep me out of the hospital? Or just take sunbaths and oxygenated herbs?

    BTW, my wife and her old Chinese classmates are shipping and donating personal protection equipment from China to some local NJ hospitals. She knows a nurse who says things are really bad in her hospital and is desperate for basic equipment like isolation gowns, shields, etc, and is perfectly fine signing liability waivers to receive shipments. She has nothing to lose. Meanwhile inventory bureaucrats take days to decide whether they are willing to sign liability waivers for free donations. My wife is better of sending it to the nurse who can just give the stuff to her colleagues. Hopefully the stuff is good enough quality.

    This nurse also said to stay out of hospitals if at all possible. She told the story of a 52 y o guy from our town, came into the hospital with a broken leg. Either before or while in the hospital, he got the virus – no way to know, then the doctors debated and ultimately refused to do surgery on his leg, fearing they would get the virus, or maybe that the virus would be too great a complication. Now his virus is worse and the nurse thinks he will probably die. This is in Somerset county. She’s seeing more people die than ever.

    Stay healthy everyone.

  137. Nomad says:

    Beyond Impressive. Building 7 different Vaccine factories on his own dime.


  138. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    Navarro will eventually be viewed as a here. By acting aggressively and decisively he saved many lives.

    Fake news and the Democrats who were perpetuating the impeachment hoax while the pandemic was unfolding deserve most of the blame for the lack of responsiveness. Adam schiff was the chair of the house intelligence committee. Instead of monitoring for overseas threats, he spent three months conspiring and fabricating evidence to have the president removed unconstitutionally.

    Don’t let the fake news fool you about where the lions share of the blame for this debacle belongs.

  139. JCer says:

    Nomad, I told my father in law who is a massive lefty that Navarro was a genius, he told me the guys an idiot. Yes the guy is out there but he is right more than he is wrong. This further proves my point, the guy sees things others don’t and is frequently deemed a crackpot. Of the cast of characters in the administration of the orange one he is one of the best. Arguably while the WHO and Dr. Fauci had the situation dead wrong, this guy had a good handle on the situation!

  140. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    No one

    When you are a lifelong bureaucrat, a certain paralysis of decision making takes over. I see it with Cuomo and Fauci to an extent. There is a devotion to the process. They seek the approval of the bureaucracy which due to the self serving and unaccountable nature of it may never happen.

    So they are more inclined to watch people die than upset the status quo and assume risk.

  141. Juice Box says:

    re: “why not paper ballots” Fraud, disenfranchisement and really because of low turnout in general.

    America’s voter turnout rates are much lower on average than those of other Western democracies, we should have online voting, everything else can be done online these days a voting system should be no different.

  142. JCer says:

    If you get the virus and don’t have any other contraindicators, I’d try to get the HCL. It does seem to have an impact on viral replication, it is not as effective as Remdesivir which seems to knock the virus out in a day or two. If you cannot get HCL or don’t want to get it use Elderberry and oregano oil early or go the grim route and try Yerba Santa. Some of this stuff does have mild antiviral properties and can reduce the severity of disease. The key is to get it early once you have a large viral load you need a very effective anti-viral to make a difference.

  143. joyce says:

    “America’s voter turnout rates are much lower on average than those of other Western democracies, we should have online voting,”

    There are other reasons for their higher turnout; they do not vote online – at least not yet.

  144. Nomad says:


    How do you secure online voting, blockchain? For the people that may not have internet, smart phone or laptop? I assume current events will have big 3 cell companies accelerating rollout of 5G and 5G hubs in the home for phone, internet and entertainment will end cable, cable boxes etc.

    Remote areas – 5G hubs connecting to Satellite vs stringing wire?

    Interesting article from Michael Burry of big short fame:


    If COVID 19 is no big deal, why are the hospitals so backed up, no capacity etc. Not enough caskets, funeral homes can’t move fast enough. I don’t recall this happening from seasonal flu in my lifetime.

    I don’t worry about getting the flu, perhaps I should but COVID 19 concerns me greatly. I think if we stopped the social distancing this thing would be an immensely bigger problem with a lot more sick and dying but I can’t prove it. Seems to me if we had kept our people on the ground in China, we would have had a lot more insight as to the issues and magnitude of this problem and the testing is not happening on a large enough scale. Between the Roche / Cobas high throughput systems (4000 test per day and 1500 tests per day), Fisher Scientific’s (Applied BioSystems) 400 test a day countertop analyzer and the Abbott / Alere Point of care systems with one of each of these instruments, combined, 6,000 tests per day. 50 of each, 300K per day … yet people, clinics and hospitals say they can’t get tested, why?

  145. Tom in the 'burbs says:

    I’ve seen only anecdotal twitter posts on the matter, but I’m seeing a lot of nyc folks looking to get the hell out. Sounds like they were already debating it, but this was the final nail in their decision. Do we see a flight to the suburbs across the country over the next couple years due to this? Or is it just that, twitter rumblings.

  146. chicagofinance says:

    Hate to fall back on a cliche….. talk is cheap….

  147. chicagofinance says:

    Lawn care advice question……

    I have gaps to fill in….. what is the best choice….. grass seed (if so, what choice)…. I just want to toss seed and water (no chemicals, fertilizer etc.), or should I buy a seed starter mat?

  148. D-FENS says:

    You would have thought this would be the case post 9/11 but it was the reverse.

    Must be driving them crazy that they can’t use the city for it’s museums, theaters, bars, restaurants…that’s the best part of it. When this is over they may come to love and appreciate them more.

    Tom in the ‘burbs says:
    April 7, 2020 at 1:45 pm
    I’ve seen only anecdotal twitter posts on the matter, but I’m seeing a lot of nyc folks looking to get the hell out. Sounds like they were already debating it, but this was the final nail in their decision. Do we see a flight to the suburbs across the country over the next couple years due to this? Or is it just that, twitter rumblings.

  149. RentL0rd says:

    Taking covid preparation to the next level


  150. Very Stable Genius says:

    Trump removes inspector general who was to oversee $2 trillion.

    What a grifter.

  151. 3b says:

    Tom in the burbs: I think you see more a flight to more rural areas. Suburbs can be crowded too. Why half way measures, go straight to the rural areas.

  152. Libturd with the green thumb up his ass says:

    Chi Fi.

    Quick thatch with a metal rake to loosen soil. Buy a small bag (seed is expensive) of straight fescue and sprinkle it over patch. Lay a cover of peat moss over the seeds. Water it once a day until it starts growing. Try not to mow it until it’s 3″. Then throw down a little lawn food and your done. At this time of the year, it will probably take 2 weeks before you see grass. It’s really that simple.

  153. juice box says:

    Cuomo’s lung X-ray does not look good.

  154. Hold my beer says:


    It’s in the rural areas in the Dallas area too.

    I doubt people used to living in a city could handle living out in the countryside year round.

  155. joyce says:

    LA doctor seeing success with hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19


    …He said he has found it only works if combined with zinc. The drug, he said, opens a channel for the zinc to enter the cell and block virus replication…

  156. Fast Eddie says:

    He said he has found it only works if combined with zinc

    Saw this on the news this morning.

  157. Tom in the 'burbs says:


    As mentioned those living in nyc do really love their amenities. So I think Brooklyn hipster -> sussex co is a stretch. But picking out suburban areas that still have a walkable downtown? I can see more Montclair like places getting a boost.

  158. Juice Box says:

    That cannot be true folks because Trump looked at the Solar Eclipse and the Trump family has stock in zinc lozenges

  159. Juice Box says:

    As soon as unemployed barista hipster in Brooklyn misses a few rent payments, Fat Tony will be by to do the baseball bat eviction. So the answer is yes the burbs are going to fill up and quickly.

  160. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:


    I do a blend of Kentucky Bluegrass and Tall Fescue. Had to redo my entire lawn after last summer’s bursted pipe debacle. Easiest thing to do is just buy the bag of seed and either peat moss or compost. Clear any dead plant matter there.

    Drop the seed down, blanket it with the compost or peat moss. It holds the moisture down and improves the soil. No effort after it’s sprouted and with the dew right now, it should sprout on its own.

  161. homeboken says:

    BRT – I use a hybrid, Kentucky Blue Grass and a Northern California Sensamina. The good thing about this stuff is, you can play 36 holes on it and then get stoned to the Be-Jesus belt on it.

  162. Deadconomy says:

    If you lived in nyc, Sussex/west Milford is too rural for the city type. They will just fill in the suburbs which will seem like country living to them. Perspective is a powerful thing.

  163. Deadconomy says:

    If you lived in nyc, Sussex is too rural for the city type. They will just fill in the suburbs which will seem like country living to them. Perspective is a powerful thing.

  164. chicagofinance says:

    thx lawn people

  165. BoomerRemover says:

    You’ve come full circle. These are the topics and discussions we’ve had a decade ago. Only thing that’s different is the interest rate.

  166. Fast Eddie says:

    These are the topics and discussions we’ve had a decade ago.

    Friskies!! Boyaaa!!

  167. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    BRT – I use a hybrid, Kentucky Blue Grass and a Northern California Sensamina. The good thing about this stuff is, you can play 36 holes on it and then get stoned to the Be-Jesus belt on it.

    The world needs ditch diggers too

  168. leftwing says:

    Re: the article on American Nightmare…

    “When ground was broken in 2004…”


  169. leftwing says:

    Maybe it’ll be done and full by 2024. or 2034…or….

  170. grim says:

    Can we use the ice rink to store the dead bodies?

  171. Hold my beer says:

    They could turn it into a massive mausoleum. Charge admission for freaks to spend the night there. Have haunted theme rides too.

  172. joyce says:

    York County woman faces $200 ticket from state police for violating Gov. Wolf’s stay-at-home order

    A 19-year-old York County woman went out for a drive just to get out of the house for awhile on Sunday evening and was circling her way back home when she was stopped by two state police cars.

    One of the troopers said they stopped her because her taillight was out, she said.

    Once she got home, she and her father Neil Shaffer said they discovered the taillight was working fine.

  173. 3b says:

    American Dream has to do their bond offering through Wisconsin as the conduit issuer, as NJ Econ Dev Auth would not touch it. The deal was sold to qualified institutional buyers only.

  174. joyce says:

    Glad our experts are catching up to what was said a couple of weeks ago


    In the long term, however, a huge, hidden population of asymptomatic cases may actually prove to be helpful. For one thing, it would mean that the coronavirus isn’t as deadly as initially feared, which could ease anxieties and inform public-health approaches going forward. It would also mean societies and economies could return to normal sooner than anticipated — assuming that universal antibody tests show that hundreds of thousands (or even millions) of people who never felt sick are now immune. The first such U.S. test was approved by the Food and Drug Administration on April 2.

    “Making sure we are testing asymptomatic individuals to understand more about this virus is critical,” California Gov. Gavin Newsom said Monday. “It’s all part of figuring out whether people have immunity … in order to get [them] back into the workforce, or at least back in society.”

    So as frightening as Fauci’s 50-percent estimate sounds today, Americans may ultimately be grateful if his “guess” turns out to be correct.

  175. Fabius Maximus says:

    FakeNewsHoaxes that’s some heavy lifting for that amount of Gaslighting!

  176. ExEssex says:

    4:34 it’s for medicinal purposes.

  177. Fabius Maximus says:


    It would have been nice if we had(/have) testing to identify and rule out people.

    Whats is the current backlog of:
    a) people actually getting tested?
    b) the results of those tests getting delivered back.

    The reported numbers are skewered lower.

  178. Fabius Maximus says:

    Before I take a look at the actual number, anyone want to guess who lasted longer.

    The Acting Secretary of the Navy.
    The While House Comms director who never held a briefing with the press

    Cue the Jeopardy music!

  179. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Baker Creek, the company I get plant seeds from had to shut down their operation in Missouri because they have had unprecedented orders. They shut down their website for 2 weeks so they can fully restock.

  180. Yo! says:

    3b, the American Dream bond docs make for interesting reading. The revenue projections are laughably optimistic. The cost structure is scary. The annual PILOT (payment in lieu of taxes) is $50m+. Let’s see if it gets paid. The place even has an on-site kennel to manage its huge pack of security dogs.

  181. Fabius Maximus says:

    The results are in

    134 – The Acting Secretary of the Navy.
    281 – The While House Comms director who never held a briefing with the press

    The second number is stunning.

    At what point to you say that this administration sees itself as unaccountable?
    At what point is that an issue for you?

    Answers on a postcard!

  182. BoomerRemover says:

    I still have three ski passes left for Big Snow.

    The deafening roar from a thousand air conditioners running on high to make sure I, and twenty seven others can ski on a balmy Wednesday night, is literally the sound of the planet going to sht.

  183. njtownhomer says:

    a contrarian view and question?

    Now that we know there is no way of extinguishing this virus and states are going thru the difficult process of experiencing the virus, people getting sick. USA and EU countries have the maximum number of cases per million in the world.

    I am wondering after this hard process will we become more immune than other countries including China where the case per million people is orders of magnitude less?

    This will mutate in time and some therapies will come up, but I want to see how it ended up? Anybody have an insight on this, or knowledge about post-Spanish Flu years?

  184. Fabius Maximus says:

    Ireland’s Call is getting answered.

    Dr Friends of friends just flew back from NZ to IRL. The need is greater back home. Everyone is stepping up.

    Take a look around. This is what Social1sm is. Give back without an expectation of a return.

  185. Chicago says:

    Take a look around. This is what Consideration is. Leave this blog without an expectation of a return.

    Fabius Maximus says:
    April 7, 2020 at 11:17 pm
    Ireland’s Call is getting answered.

    Dr Friends of friends just flew back from NZ to IRL. The need is greater back home. Everyone is stepping up.

    Take a look around. This is what Social1sm is. Give back without an expectation of a return.

  186. Leftwing says:

    Whoops, reading the blog now after posting i see the burry article was already posted. Sorry.

    Worth a read of you haven’t done it. One insight not apparent is the difference in lawlessness and education between US and countries like Japan, Korea, and Singapore that can impact the effectiveness of distancing and quarantine efforts.

  187. Fast Eddie says:

    Covid Report: Small Biotech Surges On Plan To Test Vaccine In May:

    Novavax (NVAX) stock popped Wednesday after the small biotech company said it plans to begin human testing of its coronavirus vaccine in mid-May.

    The vaccine would protect against SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes Covid-19. In animal testing, the experimental coronavirus vaccine generated an immune response, developing antibodies that could neutralize SARS-C0V-2.


  188. D-FENS says:

    Property tax bills are still due…

    Mortgage Help During COVID-19 Crisis, But What About Property Taxes?


    To ease the economic pain of the coronavirus pandemic, New Jersey homeowners have been granted mortgage relief from banks and a reprieve from evictions. But no such help has been approved thus far from local property tax bills.

    That means many homeowners who are dealing with economic hardships caused by severe illness, the loss of a job or a shuttered business are also being forced to cover quarterly property tax payments by a state-imposed May 1 deadline.

    Potentially making matters worse for thousands of New Jersey homeowners is the state’s recent freezing of all funding for the next installment of Homestead property-tax relief benefits. They were supposed to be paid out by the state as direct credits to effectively reduce those May quarterly bills, but Trenton is facing its own economic shortfalls.

    Even if they wanted to grant an extension of the property tax deadline, municipal officials say such relief will require executive action from the governor or new legislation since the quarterly payment schedule is set in state statute.

    A bill to extend the May 1 deadline for many property owners this year has been drafted by Assemblyman Robert Karabinchak (D-Middlesex). It’s on schedule to be formally introduced in the lower house this week. But it remains to be seen whether it or other efforts can pick up sufficient support between now and the end of the month to help struggling homeowners.

  189. D-FENS says:

    Anyone challenge states on the constitutional authority to close everything? I can’t believe they can do all this by Executive Order…

    Frankly I thought the difference between the United States and the rest of the world is that the government didn’t have the authority to do this…

  190. D-FENS says:

    New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy ordered all non-essential construction across the state to cease indefinitely, effective at 8 p.m. ET on Friday.

    Exceptions to this order include projects at hospitals and schools, building of affordable housing and emergency services, among other limited instances, Murphy announced in Wednesday’s press conference.

    Additionally, the governor is ordering all essential retail-grocery stores and pharmacies to indefinitely limit their number of customers in their stores to 50% of their current approved capacity, and ordered that customers and employees must wear face coverings.

    Stores must also provide special shopping hours for high risk individuals.

    The restrictions are to be implemented across the state.

  191. Nomad says:

    Link within the Burry article:


    Aside from 9-11, was there a time in the tri-state that hospitals were as overwhelmed as they are now?

  192. ExEssex says:

    Larry Summers says Trump can’t be trusted with bailout money.

  193. Bystander says:

    Dead econ,

    Not sure what else to say with this market. I jumped back in 85% at 22500. Holding last 15% to see if market really cares about jobless claims tomorrow. If not, there is no point. Market is already past virus, it seems and prepping for Jerome “Dr. Manahattan” Powell’s new bubble.

  194. homeboken says:

    I am curious about the constitutionality of these closures as well.

    The recent Murphy orders, limiting customers to 50% of normal. Good luck with that. In order to determine compliance you would need an accurate record of what “normal customer base” means and people to track daily incoming customer traffic.

    What happens when they hit the magic 50% number? Do the cops stand in the door way? You think the local cop is going to keep their neighbor from getting their medicine or grocery’s?

    Eff Phil Murhpy – Total clown show. I really wish I got my firearm permit going earlier, things like this make me nervous.

  195. AG says:

    Keep the North Jersey trash on the opposite side of the Raitan River. Time for the jersey shore to secede. Beach is going to be great this summer. Can’t wait!

    Bay head here and no short term rentals allowed! Yay!

  196. joyce says:

    It’s probably just 50% of maximum building occupancy.

  197. homeboken says:

    joyce – might be, enforcement of that would still be extraordinary to see in action

  198. Hold my beer says:

    Anyone ever order from imperfect foods or misfits market or something like that?

  199. Hold my beer says:


    Some grocery stores are limiting customers to 20% of capacity or even less. Acme is doing 20% and one of my friends went to Wegmans’s over the weekend and claimed only 30 people at a time were being allowed in.

  200. Fabius Maximus says:

    For all you Murphy bashers, would you rather have De Santis or one of the other GOP govs running things?

  201. Walking says:

    Standing in line at Teterboro Walmart now . It is amazing how clear the atmosphere has become. I can make out windows on the towers in fort lee from here. The city skyline is crystal clear

  202. Fast Eddie says:


    I’d rather have a dead GOP governor running things than a live democrat.

  203. Deadconomy says:

    “We’re not going to go back the way it was,” said Bridgewater Associates founder Ray Dalio in the virtual TED talk. “We’re going to restructure our economy and restructure our financial system” over the next couple of years in order to recover.”

    “Dalio’s biggest worry is that restructuring will not be done in a civil bipartisan way to “both increase the size of the pie and divide it well,” warning of partisan politics preventing effective solutions, “damaging”—rather than repairing—the economy.”

  204. Juice Box says:

    Our power tripping Governor also said you must wear a mask in a store while shopping and if you work there too. Good luck with that, his lawyers told him.

    “It is up to the discretion of the stores on whether those without masks will be limited in their time in the store and proximity to customers. Though Murphy said he is “on the side of ‘frankly you don’t come in,’ I’m sure counsel will pull me back to a slightly more reasonable place.”


  205. Bystander says:


    Ray has unfortunately become a master of saying nothing. A history buff with little to add in terms of financial direction.

  206. chicagofinance says:

    Don’t focus on the Dow…. use S&P 500….

    Also, focus on earnings coming next week….. companies punting on their forecast is fine, but disappointing….. real management teams will stick their neck out and talk about their view of restarting their business in 2020, and give meaningful opinions………
    Bystander says:
    April 8, 2020 at 3:14 pm
    Dead econ,

    Not sure what else to say with this market. I jumped back in 85% at 22500. Holding last 15% to see if market really cares about jobless claims tomorrow. If not, there is no point. Market is already past virus, it seems and prepping for Jerome “Dr. Manahattan” Powell’s new bubble.

  207. Phoenix says:

    “you must wear a mask in a store while shopping”

    How about wearing a mask while banking?

  208. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    So both houses behind me are for sale. They entered contract about 2 days before the SHTF. They secured their under contract signs and we saw inspection last week pay a visit. This week, both homes have had their under contract signs removed and are back on the market. Not a good look for home prices if you ask me. I wonder if they broke contract or of the bank had second thoughts.

  209. AG says:

    Live free or die you clowns. You think we are goin to save your liberal asses? Going to learn the hard way

  210. D-FENS says:

    Went with the 45. Hard hitting. Long history. America’s caliber.

  211. NJCoast says:

    We closed last week. The purchase price was 12% less than what the seller paid in 2005.
    They had renovated 3 bathrooms, installed hardwood floors throughout, installed wainscoting and upgraded trim.

  212. JCer says:

    Fabius, that was chloroquine not hydroxycholorquine. Hydroxychloroquine is far less toxic and there are fewer side effects.

    Murphy is an idiot, I don’t think the governor actually has the authority to put these restrictions in place.

    BRT, frankly housing market is going to be in a bad place. For most in the private sector there are concerns about job security, even the white collar folks working remotely. The shutdown is going to ripple through the economy and impact earnings at a lot of companies and we will see them respond by trying to run leaner.

    I think in FL they dodged a bullet by electing DeSantis, the alternative was arrested in an incapacitated state with a man OD-ing in a motel room. You probably would have preferred Gillium but it continues to show me how broken the Democratic Party is.

  213. AG says:

    .45 Springfield is a nice weapon. Moss berg 500 is something everyone could handle

  214. D-FENS says:

    It’s a Taurus. The stainless steel model with Novak sights. Springfield was twice the price for basically the same gun.

  215. Deadconomy says:

    I don’t think people realize how bad it is.. and it’s not just us.


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