C19 Open Discussion Week 30b

From NJ1015:

Home buying surges at the shore amid COVID-19, brokers say

Brokers and real estate agents say home-buying at and near the beach has surged significantly since the start of the coronavirus pandemic — mostly when the weather started warming up in May — and professionals in the field are attempting to keep up with demand as shortage of inventory makes each available property a must-have item for countless wannabe buyers.

“I just put a house on the market two weeks ago, and within a week we had more than 85 people through the house,” Yagoda said.”It’s all been very, very busy — and then somewhat inland as well.”

The health crisis, experts say, appears to be pulling city-dwellers away from packed streets and towards the shore, or coercing folks who have the means to finally pull the trigger and purchase a second home along the coast or nearby — not a bad place to be when your forced to work from home.

Markets along the shore have been “busier than ever lately,” according to 2020 New Jersey Realtors First Vice President Robert White. With flexible schedules, more people have the opportunity to make the move, he said.

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257 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 30b

  1. grim says:

    From Fox Business:

    NY loses more residents than any state during coronavirus pandemic

    New York was the state that saw the largest outflow of residents during the coronavirus pandemic, according to a report released on Tuesday, and New York City, in particular, saw a notable uptick in outbound residents.

    While outbound move requests from New York City were down 1% in April – amid a broader nationwide decline –moving interest jumped 55% above average in May, according to new data from United Van Lines, the nation’s largest household goods mover. At the end of August, outbound move requests from the Big Apple were 52% above the national average.

    Outbound requests in another expensive city, San Francisco, were 128% above the national at the start of September.

  2. Chicago says:

    How do you lack the common decency to deny a frist?

  3. 30 year realtor says:

    For months the Trump campaign has been planting seeds of doubt about the health of presidential candidate Joe Biden. Now Trump has covid 19 and his current and future health are at question. The Trump administration has been less than forthcoming with information on the president’s health and the American public has a right to know the truth. The election is less than 30 days away.

  4. D-FENS says:

    Nasdaq in talks with TX Governor Abbott to move out of NJ. The trade tax proposal seems to have lit a fire under their ass. Way to go Murphy.

  5. D-FENS says:


    NASDAQ looking to leave New Jersey, could land in Texas
    1 hr ago
    Trump administration tightens H-1B visa restrictions for foreign…
    People are shopping for groceries less often but buying more items, Tesco…
    RADIO.COM logoNASDAQ looking to leave New Jersey, could land in Texas

    Apparently tired of being in New Jersey, NASDAQ is looking to move part of it’s operation and it could land in Texas.

    Texas Governor Greg Abbott said in a tweet he’s been talking to the “Nasdaq stock exchange about moving some of their operations to Texas.”

    Sources suggest that the Dallas-Fort Worth area is a strong candidate.

    Other states are in the running but Abbott is pitching Texas’ no-income tax environment, a big advantage over high state income tax states like New Jersey and New York.

    Furthermore, New Jersey has a proposal to levy a per-transaction tax on stock trades. NASDAQ bosses don’t like that. And, Texas also offers NASDAQ the opporunity to run its power-intensive infrastructure, think massive computers, on wind-power electricity which is abundant in Texas.

    A lot of environmentally conscious companies are listed on the NASDAQ so that’s important to them.

  6. Fast Eddie says:

    I was just about to ask how everyone was feeling about Murphy’s gas tax increase, the toll increases, the new fees and all the other increases I can’t thing of at the moment. This, on top of 17% state unemployment. Ah, and a per-transaction tax on stock trades. And, I can’t wait for O’Biden’s new green deal, the paid for COVID coverage for every individual and the other numerous restrictions, regulations and tax increases on the middle class. I’m wondering when it collapses? If 50% of your income is taxed, what do you live on?

  7. Hold my beer says:


    Wait till the nasdaq execs see the houses you can get in DFW area. And there is real pizza here too. And no state income tax. Blue ribbon schools. high end retail like short hills mall and rodeo drive level. Two children’s hospitals in the area. All the major pro sports plus big time college. Golf. Boating. Great local and state parks. Just don’t tell pumps. He will think nasdaq must be mouth breathers who couldn’t make it in nj.

  8. Hold my beer says:


    What is gas in jersey now? I paid $1.87 the other day.

    Electric rates are lower too than jersey. Water is more money though. You also will need pest control service that comes out every 3 months and will come back to touch up as needed. Ant mounds pop up days after it rains.

  9. joyce says:

    It’s not Murphy’s gas tax increase.

  10. Juice Box says:

    It is his increase, it’s literally the governor’s decision. The law change happened under Gov Chris Christe but the point is the sitting governor has the power to increase as he sees fit. There is something north of 14 Billion in bonds that are funded by the gas tax. So they do need to keep increasing it as the revenues decline to make the bond payments.

  11. Fast Eddie says:

    Gary asked me to ask you whose gas tax is it, Joyce?

  12. Fast Eddie says:


    Average for regular unleaded is $2.23/gallon.

  13. leftwing says:

    I’ve been out of pocket for the last five days as I’ve been with family and their friends in flyover country. A very good representation of the 300,000 people who will determine your next president. Data set may be small, but detailed and deep conversation. Think a Luntz focus group, but bigger.

    I’ll post more later but the headline….Trump is toast.

    It’s of his own making, especially the last debate.
    It is reversible but requires a pivot that IMO just simply does not exist in his DNA.

  14. ExEssex says:

    Left i received a note yesterday from an old pal who had previously voted Trump.
    Said he was done with Trump — “F-ck that guy” were his words. Biden voter now.
    Biden’s speech was excellent yesterday and not a teleprompter in sight.

  15. 3b says:

    I think Trunps behavior after his Covid thing was shocking. I also believe he won’t be re-elected, but I have zero enthusiasm for the corrupt Biden, and his team of bureaucrats that will be running the joint. If nothing else at least the hysterics from the left may die down. Time will tell.

  16. grim says:

    Why is anyone shocked about Trump post-covid?

    How is this not everything we expected?

    The only two options were: him dying of it, or him surviving it and playing the f*ck out of it to his benefit politically.

    Expecting an epiphany from him is what’s shocking. “Told you so” is meaningless to him, if anything, that just yields him doubling down.

  17. ExEssex says:

    He can double down somewhere else….

  18. Fast Eddie says:

    Essex, Bystander, et. al.,

    Gotta jump on a call, let me know how this guy sounds:


  19. 3b says:

    Grim good points. I wrongly assumed that getting Covid might have put things in perspective for him. I was wrong of course.

  20. Walking says:

    Regarding the murphy/finance tax, murphy stated it would be temporary tax. Much like the parkway tolls are temporary until the bonds are paid off

  21. Juice Box says:

    This whole idea that they need to put up plexiglass at the debate is just wrong, it’s misleading that it can prevent any kind of infection from anyone in that building.

    Here is a picture of the plexiglass, they put up. That will not do squat, it is about as good as a broken prophylactic.


    The building is a theater, Kingsbury hall. The air will be getting recirculated right around them, on the stage, it’s going to be 82 degrees in Salt Lake City this afternoon.

  22. 1987 Condo says:

    Costco Gas -Wayne- $1.97

  23. LurksMcGee says:


    I agree about the plexiglass. Looks as silly as that time Gettleman (GM of the Giants) had on a mask while remote selecting draft picks with no one in the room.

  24. JCer says:

    Don’t worry guv murphy will chase away all of your employers. Millionaire tax…yes, transaction tax…yes, taxes on top of taxes are all part of murphy’s make the government employees whole plan. Meanwhile back in the real world business are cutting salaries using covid as an excuse, furloughing people and even laying them off.

    Things are definitely leaning away from Trump, he comes off as a crazy person and the media accentuates his erratic behavior. Still am very concerned about the Democrats, their call to pack the courts is beyond reprehensible as is the call to eliminate the filibuster. To the point of the prior thread about Obamacare, it is extremely flawed legislation forced through using all matters of tricks in the dark of night. The dems had control yet couldn’t manage to legitimately advance any part of their legislative agenda? They depended on questionable supreme court rulings to codify their agenda rather than legislating. The Dems could have fixed healthcare, they could have advanced universal healthcare, they did not, we got Obamacare(the status quo remains with it, we all are paying for the additional protections and subsidies, many who are paying cannot afford it). They could have legislated equal protection for LGBT, they did not ditto for gay marriage. Executive orders and manipulating the courts is unacceptable, change needs to come through legislation. The manipulation just allows legislators to hide from their positions…..

  25. joyce says:

    Go back in time to 2016 and the answer will present itself.

    Fast Eddie says:
    October 7, 2020 at 9:36 am
    Gary asked me to ask you whose gas tax is it, Joyce?

  26. Juice Box says:

    ExEssex – re: “Biden’s speech was excellent yesterday and not a teleprompter in sight.”

    Good speech, he does has a few good speechwriters, however a teleprompter was used.

    The big teleprompter screen can be seen in pictures taken by a local newspaper of the outdoor tv stage.

  27. Hold my beer says:


    I think gettleman had some tech and IT guys there off camera. Plus he’s old, overweight, and has or recently had cancer.

  28. ExEssex says:

    10:26 sounds like he is ready to tour!
    Got my very first bass about a year ago.
    Buddy was doing some recording and asked
    Me to lay down some tracks. Incredibly fun
    instrument to play.

  29. Fast Eddie says:


    I have a bass as well. After banging on the guitar and picking up the bass, it’s like you can just lay back, ride a note and wait for the changes. I always said the bass is a percussion instrument, not a stringed instrument.

  30. Juice Box says:

    Nobel Prize Laureates are now being announced. Friday morning will be the announcement of Nobel Peace award.

    Anyone here believe they will actually give it to Trump?

  31. D-FENS says:

    Getting the virus and quickly returning to work would seem to support Trump’s position in my opinion. Overall, American culture is based on the idea that we value freedom over complete and total safety.

    Get back to work but protect the vulnerable.

  32. Phoenix says:

    If you can afford the Yukon XL and the gas to run it you can afford the tax as well.

  33. Phoenix says:

    Claudia Conway better be careful or someone might make her vanish from the earth. If Epstein was still around they would have shipped her to one of his compounds. No wonder they want to silence TikTok.


  34. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    The notion that Biden is a uniter or viewed as one is wishful thinking. He’s not even a United of the left. They have no coherent platform. In fact I’m continually amazed how people can be swayed by propaganda and empty platitudes.

    The election has always been about covid and trump catching it just turned the spotlight up 100x. True or not regarding the relative lethality and offsetting collateral damage, he made a dumb comment is paying for it.

  35. Phoenix says:

    Joe forgets things. Don’t be a hater.

  36. Fabius Maximus says:

    Truth, starting to see a pattern here.

    BREAKING: Liban Osman, subject of Project Veritas alleged voter fraud story, tells
    LydenFOX9 he was offered $10K by Omar Jamal to say he was collecting ballots for Congresswoman IlhanMN.

    Omar Jamal was Project Veritas’ insider in the Somali community.

  37. leftwing says:

    And BTW markets are casting their early votes today…..garbage COVID news….Boston shutting schools, NY….yet strong rebound, yields up, solar ETFs hitting ten year highs….all signs of big spending coming down the road, ie. Joe wins.

    Dems also comfortable enough to fire a big cannon shot across tech’s bow, and for the first time Zuck concedes. Unsaid message is we will be your overlords for at least two years, fall in line….People are lining up their lifeboats guys…..

  38. Bystander says:

    Definitely a sick player. Watching other videos, he really seems to be able to carry multiple styles and techniques. Hard to believe that these people just sit on a street unnoticed but bass is one of those underappreciated instruments. I don’t play but avid listener. I could listen to Jaco play The Chicken all day but I have seen this man so many times that I struggle to understand what is left on the bass. Can he slap? Check. Can he slap fast? Check. Ok but does he have touch? Check. Ok, what about technique? Check. Can he carry melody? Check. Alright, but what originality does he bring to bass? Yeah, ok. I think you know who I am talking about.


  39. Juice Box says:

    Fab – No worries there is absolutely no chance there will be a Mail-in vote debacle. We should have a clear winner by November 10th and all sense of normalcy will return to the country.

  40. Libturd, apparently the hill I just went over is much steeper on the decline. says:

    So who owes me hooch?

    Reserve me some special bottles Grim.

    It appears I need it. Turned 50 yesterday, woke up this morning and my right inside ankle feels like it was pegged with a wrecking ball. I can hardly walk on it. I really have an incredibly high threshold for pain (drove stick with my left Achilles 100% ruptured) but this one is scaring me a little. I’m thinking infection since I didn’t do anything to damage it except Peloton, which I stopped for a week since I got a terrible case of poison ivy last Sunday and sweat irritates the crap out of it. Anyone here get shin splints and can it leave you almost non weight bearing? This is crazy!

  41. Libturd says:

    It’s so bad I woke up and hobbled to the doctor.

  42. leftwing says:

    Buckle up if somehow DJT squeaks out the poll vote on Nov3….with Dem mail-ins running multiples of Team Red the ‘winner’ will change before January…..

  43. leftwing says:

    Sh1t, happy birthday and welcome to a 5-handle Lib!

    Yeah, stuff starts falling apart lol. Feel better man.

  44. Libturd says:

    Doc says most likely infection from poison ivy. Getting a quick ultrasound to rule out crazier more serious issues. It’s generating heat, which Is why I think it’s infection.

  45. Libturd says:

    Thanks LW.

    I think your poll vote theory is possible. Though the flip in the senate is going to leave him snipped.

  46. chicagofinance says:

    How ’bout some Les

  47. Fast Eddie says:

    All those guys are awesome on the bass. I appreciate the fact that they can run arpeggios up and down the fret board and play lead as if on guitar but ultimately, I think I like the smooth underlying thunder of a refined sound system where the bass is laying the foundation and the melody and rhythm are on top. Either way, any sound that mesmerizes is good!

  48. ExEssex says:

    There can only be one:


  49. Fast Eddie says:

    The Ox! Love it!

  50. Hold my beer says:

    Act like we are doing something while accomplishing nothing and ignoring the experts.


  51. chicagofinance says:

    Yeah, I know, but I ‘m not a Who fan. I cracked up at those early Townsend bios where he considered Daltry the weak link in the band, and not up to the standard of the other three. Townsend has always been a crank……

    ExEssex says:
    October 7, 2020 at 3:08 pm
    There can only be one:


  52. JCer says:

    Hold, that is what COVID hysteria is all about. Staying home is the only thing that slows or stops the spread. All of this other business(enhance cleaning, fabric masks, shields, etc) is about making people feel better or more in control. If you go out you are at risk and you put others at risk, do you accept the risk is the question? We cannot be on perpetual lock down some people do have jobs to do, etc.

  53. BRT says:

    I saw Primus live when I was in high school. Claypool is a phenomenal musician on bass. Larry LaLonde was an amazing guitarist as well and Herb is one of the all time best drummers. Up there with the likes of Bonham, Pert, Dana Carey, Jon Theodore.

    The band randomly busted into Metallica’s Master of Puppets and the venue went crazy. Check it out.


  54. BRT says:

    Of course the plexiglass doesn’t do much. Neither do the non filtering masks. It’s just that widespread use with a rate of transmission hovering around 1.04 can reduce that number below 1 if it’s only 5% effective.

  55. ExEssex says:

    4:14 read Horses’ Neck Townshends book he wrote in the eighties
    He’s also a strange SOB. They still sound great though, caught them at
    The Barkley Center four years ago.

  56. BRT says:

    The thing about the virus is, we were in the heat of summer and that naturally prevents the virus from spreading. Now that the sunlight is weaker, not as long, and temperatures have dropped, you should expect to see transmission rise with no change in behavior. The problem is, people think that the past 3 months behavior are a recipe for preventing transmission. Not likely. That’s why I said go to school in September and then be prepared for virtual learning in the late fall. All of these districts slated to open towards the end of October and November are clueless.

  57. 30 year realtor says:

    After Townsend and Daultry stopped playing at a show and told audience members they would leave the stage if they continued to smoke marijuana, I have lost some of my love for their music. Hope I die before I get old? LOL. Too f*cking late.

  58. Bystander says:

    30 yr/BRT,

    That story reminds me of Les Claypool. F*ck, Les Claypool. I like Primus in small doses but a friend of mine worshipped them. He brings me to Roseland like 15 years ago and place is freaking jammed. Not a cheap ticket either. I was in early 30s and past moshing phase. Lots of late teens/early 20s in middle of crows. Seeing this, I immediately move off to side. Place starts going crazy when they open up. They play a few songs and Les starts bitching that barricade is getting pushed and threatens to walk off stage. They do just that about 20m in. They leave for 30m and come back out, played another 3om then left. He is arrogant POS. That said, I did enjoy Flying Frog Brigade when I saw them and Lennon-Claypool Delirium has some good covers.

  59. ExEssex says:

    5:16 I can see what you mean. Buuuuut it can’t be easy to hit that age and still perform like that. I know Roger’s voice a fra-gile as hell.

    Damn EVH the man knew how to live…..


  60. ExEssex says:

    Damn! Forget that last link…. pure crap:
    This is what i meant to share:

  61. BRT says:

    That sucks. I feel you about Roseland. I saw Foo Fighters there back in 1994. Crowd starts jumping the first song in and they all fall on top of a each other. I literally thought I was going to die and was helpless for like 45 seconds but it seemed like an hour. I was only 14 at the time. I went to the side as well.

  62. 3b says:

    Pence is as expected. Harris totally unimpressive.

  63. ExEssex says:

    Pence has a semi. Kamala is a smokin’ babe.

  64. Fast Eddie says:

    Pence is killing her. She sucks.

  65. 3b says:

    Pence is finding his stride. Neither one really answering the questions, and yes I agree Kamala sucks. Totally unimpressive.

  66. Fast Eddie says:

    She’s going to be your president. Good luck.

  67. Phoenix says:

    What is your connection to your union/local association?
    I participate in my local union meetings. I appreciate everything that the NJEA and our local BEA does for us as educators. I love utilizing the wealth of resources that the NJEA offers, especially the classroom tools and sections of their website.

    Why did you choose a career in public education?
    I believe that every student deserves access to a free, high quality public education. I love that I can be a part of that for my students. New Jersey has the best state education system in the country right now.. There is nowhere else I’d rather be spending my time.

  68. Phoenix says:

    “Kamala is a smokin’ babe.”

    You lost me right there. See an optometrist ASAP.

  69. juice box says:

    took me a bit to remember who Hillary’s running mate was, perhaps you can recall
    Without cheating

  70. 3b says:

    Yeah she may be. And she is not well versed in any subject.

  71. Fast Eddie says:

    Moderator: Kamala, describe our relationship with China.

    Kamala: Trump s.ucks.

  72. Fast Eddie says:

    Moderator: Kamala, define American leadership in 2020.

    Kamala: Trump s.ucks.

  73. ExEssex says:

    Pence…..Trump achieved everything and now….? Well, we can do it again.

    Kamala….you didn’t actually do anything to begin with, we did. Ouch.

  74. Phoenix says:

    Al-Baghdadi, yeah, they got him.
    I approve a drone strike on Anne Sacoolas.

  75. Fast Eddie says:

    She’s painful.

  76. JCer says:

    Kamala is deeply unlikeable….it’s why she was not the candidate to begin with. She is less electable than Hillary…..

    Pence is wining the debate thus far

  77. 3b says:

    We did who exactly is we? What have any of these politicians done. Nothing.

  78. ExEssex says:

    She’s doing fine. She’s bright and articulate.
    Pence simply played second fiddle to a failed one-term President.

  79. ExEssex says:

    another spineless lousy moderator. two for two now.

    Mute buttons for the Repug’s is the only way.

  80. 3b says:

    Kamala no knowledge on any subject. Noticeably coached. Old joe should have picked Warren.

  81. Phoenix says:

    “She’s painful.”
    ExEssex thinks she is hot. I see Fido. ACB is way better looking and overall more attractive as a person.

    Moderator should just shut down Pence. Turn off his microphone. She is like a teacher that has no control of her classroom.

  82. Fast Eddie says:

    Kamala no knowledge on any subject.

    And how. She’s bad!

  83. Phoenix says:

    Old joe should have picked Warren.


  84. Phoenix says:

    They need Judge Judy as a moderator.

    No one going to outsquawk that one.

  85. Fast Eddie says:

    Holy f.uck… she’s a heartbeat away from the job.

  86. ExEssex says:

    Pence has COVID. Look at him.

  87. Phoenix says:

    And you thought Bernie was bad. Just wait till she is driving the bus. You will wish Bernie got the job.

  88. Fast Eddie says:


    Uh huh. I’ll take Bernie now. Wow, she’s scary

  89. Phoenix says:

    Bernie was compassionate. She is dangerous. It’s about her, not about the people. That one is an ego driven narcissist.

  90. JCer says:

    pure sociopath…..

  91. Fast Eddie says:

    She’s making me cringe a little.

  92. Democratnomore says:

    Why is she defining words like bounty?

  93. BRT says:

    Kamala was always the establishment’s choice. Tulsi Gabbard wiped the floor with her and took all her polling down to nothing.

  94. BRT says:

    lol, housefly just landed on Pence’s head.

  95. Phoenix says:

    Tulsi was not only smarter, but a way better individual overall. Plus if ExEssex said she was attractive I’d agree with him.

    Breonna did not get justice, and neither of them are going to do it. She is downright dirty, and he could care less.

    There will be no justice for her. Time will tell if I am right.

  96. Phoenix says:

    Pence is right. She prosecuted her own.

  97. Phoenix says:

    “I will not be lectured.”

    Get over yourself.

  98. Fast Eddie says:

    She s.ucks

  99. Fast Eddie says:

    He shoots! He scores!!

  100. Juice box says:

    fly trending?

  101. Phoenix says:

    Pence stands for justice. So why has he not turned over Anne Sacoolas?

    Doesn’t she deserve to be arrested? What about her victim’s family? Why would you protect this criminal and not turn her over to your Allies?

    Dirty, that’s why.

  102. njtownhomer says:

    I am pro-life, but now in charge of COVID resistance team who took time to take the precautions, PPEs etc. How ironic is that?

  103. 3b says:

    Got to agree with Phoenix, she is a narcissist.

  104. ExEssex says:

    10:20 Tulsi was/is a cult member with bad skin.
    She was a distant runner-up in the primaries. Boooo hoooo.

  105. 3b says:

    So we had Trump, and now we are going to have an arrogant narcissist with no expertise or real knowledge on any subject as possibly President. We as Americans deserve better, than again perhaps we don’t.

  106. Phoenix says:

    She volunteered for her country. What have you done?

  107. ExEssex says:

    sHeS a wAr hErO

  108. 3b says:

    I just googled her and her skin looks perfectly fine to me. She is an attractive woman. And she is against our endless wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.

  109. Phoenix says:

    4th wave feminism is beyond wacko.

    Pence was pushy, but not misogynistic at all.

    I’m sure I’m not going to vote.
    These two are both as repulsive as can be.

  110. Phoenix says:

    Essex is blind. Claims he has a hot wife. Maybe she looks like Kamala. Not sure what he likes.
    Glad he loves his wife, I respect him for that.
    Have to admit our tastes are very different. If we were two buddies going out on dates with 2 women I’m sure I’d be happy as I’d let him pick the one he wants first and be beyond satisfied with what he left behind to me.
    He can have Kamala, I’ll take Tulsi all day long.

  111. ExEssex says:

    The Trump administration says the United Nations is overestimating the number of Americans in “extreme poverty” by about 18.25 million people, reflecting a stark disagreement about the extent of poverty in the nation and the resources needed.
    In May, Philip G. Alston, special rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights for the U.N., published a report saying 40 million Americans live in poverty and 18.5 million Americans live in extreme poverty.
    But in a rebuke to that report on Friday, U.S. officials told the United Nations Human Rights Council there only appear to be approximately 250,000 Americans in extreme poverty, calling Alston’s numbers “exaggerated.”

  112. Bystander says:

    Pretty blah, moderator was bad. I like my VPs without pinkeye and head flies.

  113. njtownhomer says:

    I think Pence has COVID. Wouldn’t be surprised if he get announced soon.

    This admin can’t even protect WH from COVID, how can they protect in the next 4 years?

  114. 3b says:

    Essex ask Joe about the numbers if they are as high as the report states, is this all in the last 4 years? What about the 43 years before Trump that Biden has been in D. C, 8 of them as VP.

  115. Phoenix says:

    “I think Pence has COVID.”

    Or ocular herpes.

  116. 3b says:

    Essex is an again establishment Democrat, the ones that are all sound byte, and don’t do anything. He also is a Liberal, but does not like Hispanics, so that does not make sense. As for Tulsi, very attractive woman and a little/exotic.

  117. Phoenix says:

    And this one I wish would just go away, Dr Jennifer Ashton. It’s a bit personal for me, I find her extremely distasteful.

  118. JCer says:

    Tulsi>Kamala any day based on physical appearance. Kamala is not a good looking woman.

  119. Crushednjmillenial says:

    I think Pence brought some 2016 Trump voters who were wandering back home. I think he scored well in Court packing and Harris’ record as a prosecutor.

    Kamala did fine, except you can see she doesn’t have great substance to contribute if not coached. Best example was her response to the 8th grader’s question – the kid denounced political divisiveness and Harris used her response to stump for Biden rather than praising the strong shared beliefs among Americans.

  120. ExEssex says:

    10:58 yeah I don’t do exotic. Blonde & blue eyed usually wins for me.

  121. Phoenix says:

    These are your posts, right?? You either have the eyesight of Stevie Wonder or should be diagnosed being bipolar.

    ExEssex says:
    October 7, 2020 at 9:33 pm
    Pence has a semi. Kamala is a smokin’ babe.

    ExEssex says:
    October 7, 2020 at 11:33 pm
    10:58 yeah I don’t do exotic. Blonde & blue eyed usually wins for me.

  122. Phoenix says:

    Not voting for Come-Allah Harris.

  123. ExEssex says:

    I didn’t say “i” was interesting in her.
    She looks good. We’ll put together.

  124. Phoenix says:

    Would you please step out of the car. How many drinks have you had this evening? I would like to administer a field sobriety test on you. Would you be willing to take a breathalyzer exam?

    ExEssex says:
    October 7, 2020 at 11:43 pm
    I didn’t say “i” was interesting in her.
    She looks good. We’ll put together.

  125. D-FENS says:

    “The doctors they’ve never seen a body kill the coronavirus like my body. They tested my DNA and it wasn’t DNA. It was USA.”


  126. leftwing says:

    “Claudia Conway…

    This entire State is a freakshow. One big bad reality show episode.

    Who prepped Trump for his horror show debate? Yup, you got it. That other fat-ass, spittle spewing, insult shouting blowhard that was your Governor.

    For anyone who sanctimoniously blasts Trumps numerous personality disorders how can you live in this State, wake up, and look yourself in the mirror?

  127. leftwing says:

    I mentioned Luntz yesterday in passing referring to his small, focused groups and my weekend experience with flyover country residents. Here’s Luntz’s take on the VP debate from his focus group of undecided voters.

    Me, I changed stations from the debate when Harris said Biden ‘saved’ the US auto industry. Between Biden producing cars and Gore founding the internet I decided not to wait for her to claim that Pelosi invented air travel. Although she’s old enough to have banged one of the Wright brothers.


  128. leftwing says:

    “Kamala is a smokin’ babe.”

    Whatever you were smokin’ last night grab some in edible format and send it East. I haven’t been that blindly stoned since college.

    Dude, Willie Brown was hitting that. ‘Nuff said.

  129. 3b says:

    Crushed I don’t know how you think Kamala did fine. I thought she was awful, and woefully unprepared. She may be President, and picturing her as President is as bad as Trump in a different way. She ain’t no Angela Merkel!!

  130. BRT says:

    Pence looked like he was the only one out of 4 candidates that legitimately prepared.

  131. Phoenix says:

    Pence is an over bearing diaper wipe. Had no respect for the moderator. Couldn’t shut his pie hole when his time was up.
    Just word salad coming out of his mouth, nothing of substance.

  132. Fast Eddie says:

    Pence looked like he was the only one out of 4 candidates that legitimately prepared.

    Impressive. Polished. Very natural in his strides. He k1lled her. She was arrogant and uninformed. It’s not going to make a difference. The “meme” party is apparently what the slow-moving masses want. Have it.

  133. homeboken says:

    Last night’s debate performance by Harris is going to have a net negative impact on the DNC chances. Like it or not, people don’t beleive that Joe is going to make it 4 years, so the DNCVP nomination is critically important. President Harris, that turns off a lot of fence sitters. They may not like Trump but putting Harris in the WH is a bridge too far for a lot of people.

  134. Juice Box says:

    Who cares about the VP? Mansplaining bla bla bla.

    No 2nd debate for Trump says he won’t do an on-line one.

  135. Happy Renter says:

    thiS iS My fIGht sONg!!1


  136. leftwing says:

    “Pence looked like he was the only one out of 4 candidates that legitimately prepared.”

    Agree. And I thought he looked a little off regardless. Interesting post further up that he may have C19….

    “No 2nd debate for Trump says he won’t do an on-line one.”

    Not quite done yet…everything about a debate is highly negotiated, down to podium height in inches…going on-line is a major change and Trump would be a fool to accept a change of that magnitude as Joe could have any help he wanted. Only way it would work IMO is if you had live cameras from all angles to get a 360 degree view of everything around and in front of a candidate. And even then it’s less than optimal for DJT.

    If they deviate from what was agreed and it doesn’t happen it’s not DJT canceling, it’s the Dems walking out on what was agreed. Although lord knows the MSM will find a way to blame DJT.

    What hasn’t he caused yet? Starvation in Africa? Airline crashes? Or have they found a way to hang those on him too now?

  137. leftwing says:

    Also, typing the above about debate setup made me think….last night Kamala commented on the fly on Pence’s head….ridiculously so, tying it in to the ACA or something I couldn’t even follow….

    More interestingly, how did she know?

    She either has telescopic vision to see something millimeters in size twelve feet away through two sheets of plexiglass at an angle or…? Live feed.

    God only knows what Joe had if she had information fed live to her.

    Trump should turn the tables. Agree to an on-line debate, but only if there are live cameras from every angle including focused on the speaker’s podium. See what the Dems say to that one….

  138. Walking says:

    These 2 groups are linked as violent protestors


    What are brooklyn Hacidic and proud boys.
    Articles in the press stated violent Hacidic community sets fire in brooklyn. I also saw them waving trump flags. Hmmm so cops getting hit with bats and pipes are peacful, are controlled bonfire in the middle of a street is a night of violence. Ok

  139. Walking says:


  140. ExEssex says:

    Oh boy…..So Trump acts like a psycho in Debate I….a school boy bully rich kid straight out of Central Casting. His numbers take a hit “and” he spreads Covid throughout the White House and somehow you think last night’s debate is somehow going to change minds. Hilarious.

  141. ExEssex says:

    sPrEad mOrE CoVid

    Trump says by having in-person debates where he can continue to bask in the after glow infusion of drugs….and somehow you think it is “OK’.

    If I knew a person had covid I wouldn’t want to be in the same yard as they are let alone auditorium. Biden is healthy no thanks to Trump who knowingly brought Covid into the last debate. It literally boggles the mind.

    I give Trump 10 days and he’ll hit the wall as they say. It won’t be pretty, he’ll ask for more drugs, he’ll get them…..and he’ll zombie-walk his way to Nov 3rd where he’ll be voted out because most people with any sense have decided he was never up to the job.

  142. leftwing says:

    Trump clears the hurdles to be around others by the next debate. Guidelines from the CDC below.

    But, again, if anyone wants to be conservative, I’m all in on having a web debate… provided we put each candidate at a glass top table with only a demonstrably blank sheet of paper, a pen, and 360 degree live cameras around the room. Go at it.

    “I think or know I had COVID-19, and I had symptoms

    You can be around others after:

    10 days since symptoms first appeared and
    24 hours with no fever without the use of fever-reducing medications and
    Other symptoms of COVID-19 are improving*

    *Loss of taste and smell may persist for weeks or months after recovery and need not delay the end of isolation​

    Most people do not require testing to decide when they can be around others; however, if your healthcare provider recommends testing, they will let you know when you can resume being around others based on your test results.”


  143. Phoenix says:

    “If I knew a person had covid I wouldn’t want to be in the same yard as they are let alone auditorium.”

    Man up and grow a pair.

  144. JCer says:

    They would test Trump, the debate would be canceled if he had a positive PCR test in the days coming up to it. Truth be told now that he has the antibodies if he tests negative you are likely safer being in a room with a recovered patient rather than someone who has never had it……..

    This is to protect Biden, he doesn’t want to be put through another “debate” with Trump. I saw the clip about the black woman stocking shelves in the grocery store, what everyone missed was earlier in that speech he made reference to Troops dying in Iran, the man is a gaffe machine. They keep putting a lid on and keeping him in the basement because the more exposure he gets the more likely he get confused and makes a fool of himself. All they need to do is have Trump continue to self destruct and this thing is sealed up, it isn’t about Biden or their policies it is about Trump…he is running against himself at this point.

  145. Fast Eddie says:

    …it isn’t about Biden or their policies it is about Trump…he is running against himself at this point.

    Yup. In the 1st debate, all he had to do is list his achievements and layout the next four years. If he was just 50% of Pence he would have secured four more… but he didn’t. Now, we can only hope for a Barrett confirmation and to keep the Senate.

  146. Bystander says:

    Clearly virus is impacting Trump’s already damaged mind. He shut down stimulus talks until after ‘he wins’ but now claiming they are needed. I have to laugh at the dolts doing mental gymnastics, trying to tell us what a sound leader he is.

  147. leftwing says:

    ” They keep putting a lid on and keeping him in the basement because the more exposure he gets the more likely he get confused and makes a fool of himself. All they need to do is have Trump continue to self destruct and this thing is sealed up, it isn’t about Biden or their policies it is about Trump…he is running against himself at this point.”

    LOL. Totally agree. But what you just said….this election is being determined by which candidate can maneuver to say the absolute least over the next 20 or so days…JFC, where have we gone…..

  148. Bystander says:

    If Rs were smart they would start unhitching from Trump wagon and reach across the aisle to hold off on nomination. If they don’t it will be a blood bath. They will lose Senate and you will have a slew of reforms that Biden will easily push through when both House and Senate are D controlled. Look at Lindsay, he is begging for money and struggling. See the signs.

  149. Juice Box says:

    Some candy ass is going around here putting stickers over the Trump Signs that day“Truck Fump” Look if you are going to do that at least spell it out correctly, man up snowflake.

  150. SomeOne says:

    Six people charged after allegedly plotting to abduct, kill Michigan Gov. Whitmer


  151. SomeOne says:


    Some candy ass is going around here putting stickers over the Trump Signs that day“Truck Fump” Look if you are going to do that at least spell it out correctly, man up snowflake.

    What’s with people complaining about spelling and grammar and making those mistakes in the posts? Likewise, what’s with “man up snowflake” message while complaining about someone’s flags?

  152. leftwing says:

    Juice, just print up a bunch of “ALL” stickers, red on white, and slap them all over your neighborhood on the BLM signs. Two can play the puerile game lol.

  153. leftwing says:

    chi, XOM trying to find a bottom?

    Dipping a toe in by writing some puts.

  154. chicagofinance says:

    I keep banging my head on this one….. I don’t follow that market…. what is the implied dividend cut as factored into the put price….. assuming you have a method to isolate that?

    I keep pendulating between XLE & XOM, or maybe just go for corporate governance and say CVX? Isn’t the fall a cyclical period for the bottom? Is it worth waiting another few weeks? Biden’s win would be the final body blow…… or did we just get it?
    Is today the cover of the short/or people putting on longs (as you are)?

    leftwing says:
    October 8, 2020 at 2:14 pm
    chi, XOM trying to find a bottom?

    Dipping a toe in by writing some puts.

  155. Juice Box says:

    Here is a pic I took. Should I go around and deface Biden signs? No I am not triggered and I don’t plan on voting for either horrible candidate.


  156. leftwing says:

    LOL. All and none of the above.

    Obviously depends what you want. Earnings 10/30 BMO just for sh1ts and giggles too.

    Write some 11/20 32.50s and right now you’d take in 1.22….about 4% for six weeks….

    Feeling queasy about less than 10% downside could do the 30s at 0.64. Two percent with almost 15% downside protection. Gives some time to recover from sh1tty EC or election….

    Play an uncertain election outcome? Look at 11/6s, no liquidity but 0.38 at 30 or 0.70 at 32. Horrible spreads so you’ll not be trading out of those though….

    It is still HTB so people are looking down, don’t think there is much short covering today. I’m not bullish but IV is decent so options are reasonably priced with the caveat if she sh1ts the bed IV should remain high or even expand with down move and election outcome so should be able to roll down and out for a credit and after that worst case pick it up somewhere in the higher 20s.

  157. leftwing says:

    “Here is a pic I took.”

    TDS. As I’ve said several times I just don’t understand how someone can let someone else get so into their heads…especially when the former person has no real impact on your day-to-day life….serious issues there, just shoot me if I ever get to that stage

  158. Fast Eddie says:

    The modern democrat party truly doesn’t have the capacity to understand the meaning of success. A watered down recipe is not success. Lowering the bar for mass inclusion is not success. Allegiance to state is not consent, it’s imprisonment. Fanning the flames of resentment is not success. It’s logic is flawed and their ideas, absurd. The left fails not because it sways from it’s beliefs but because it stays true to itself. No need to debate, it’s all there to see. If the liberal ideology worked, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion. 60 years of the progressive movement and they’re still at square one. So, those that can see the farce for what it is will continue to do what they’ve always done; step over the burning body and keep moving forward despite attempts to undermine those with a strong will and natural tendency to strive for success. Congratulations to O’Biden and the media that bolstered this feeble husk of a man… who will repeatedly use him as a gadget. It’ll be interesting to see how the media spins the next four years as they cloak failure after failure.

  159. leftwing says:

    And chi, my favorite trade today is a CA election play…LYFT 22.50P/30.00C/37.50C 11/20 risk reversal.

    On the ballot out there is the employee/IC question. Not saying it’s priced in but certainly suppressing share price. If it goes employee, stock will take a hit but look at the chart since inception…she’s been beneath 22.50 only a handful of days at the depth of mid-March. Not bad support and again in that scenario IV should explode allowing a roll.

    Issue gets resolved as IC, she should pop.

    Beauty is by doing the two writes you take the net debit down substantially. I’m all-in at 0.31. The return is pretty crazy even if she only moves a bit AND you can realize it before expiry.

    Wish I could say it was my idea but around 10:30 this morning someone came in and put this on for 3,000 contracts at 0.49. That actually makes it more attractive for me, I’ll follow someone dropping $150k on this trade especially at a better price.


  160. Fast Eddie says:

    Pence is right though, opinion is not fact. Yesterday, I renamed the democrat party to the meme party but you might as well call it the opinion party because that’s what they’re all about. And how cute now that they are using their latest quip in announcing how they believe in science! Only when it bolsters their “opinion” but not when it’s rooted in “fact.” Lol.

  161. ExEssex says:

    Oh “facts” you mean like calling the pandemic
    A hoax….

    WASHINGTON (AP) — After months of mass death and sickness, what could possibly count as a success story against the pandemic?

    President Donald Trump would have you believe Americans are already living that success story, even as the death toll approaches 200,000 and infections spread by the tens of thousands a day.

    Trump’s latest revisionism on the pandemic came during a week when he unleashed a torrent of misbegotten claims about mail-in voting, a monthslong preoccupation growing more intense with the approach of the Nov. 3 election.

  162. ExEssex says:

    Or this patriot…. Last night, livetweeting his thoughts on the 2020 vice-presidential debate, Republican senator Mike Lee decided it was an opportune moment to share one of his edgier political beliefs: Democracy is bad.

    Lee is articulating a view that has long been in vogue on the American right but which Republican politicians were generally hesitant to express openly. The premise is that liberty is a higher value than democracy, and they define liberty to mean a right to property that precludes redistribution. That is to say, the far right does not merely view progressive taxation, regulation and the welfare state as impediments to growth, but as fundamentally oppressive. A political system that truly secured freedom would not allow the majority to gang up on the minority and redistribute their income for themselves.

  163. joyce says:

    Mike Lee is correct.
    The author is wrong

    ExEssex says:
    October 8, 2020 at 4:38 pm
    Or this patriot…. Last night, livetweeting his thoughts on the 2020 vice-presidential debate, Republican senator Mike Lee decided it was an opportune moment to share one of his edgier political beliefs: Democracy is bad.

    Lee is articulating a view that has long been in vogue on the American right but which Republican politicians were generally hesitant to express openly. The premise is that liberty is a higher value than democracy, and they define liberty to mean a right to property that precludes redistribution. That is to say, the far right does not merely view progressive taxation, regulation and the welfare state as impediments to growth, but as fundamentally oppressive. A political system that truly secured freedom would not allow the majority to gang up on the minority and redistribute their income for themselves.

  164. 1987 condo says:

    I like the article on NJ.com today that says NJ may have to put itself on the quarantine list if the test results continue to go up!

  165. leftwing says:

    Wow a two-fer of numb-nuttery……what echo chamber are you part of…

    “Oh “facts” you mean like calling the pandemic A hoax….”

    Never happened. He likened Dem criticism of his response as a hoax similar to their attempted impeachment. He never said its existence was a hoax.

    “The premise is that liberty is a higher value than democracy, and they define liberty to mean a right to property that precludes redistribution. That is to say, the far right does not merely view progressive taxation, regulation and the welfare state as impediments to growth, but as fundamentally oppressive.”

    No sh1t. That’s a revelation to the Left? Jesus…ever hear of Life Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness? Or know of the existence and date of the 16th Amendment? And you believe those are views of just the ‘far’ Right? Anyone outside of the coasts will tell you those beliefs to your face and back it up with a rifle if you walk on their property to debate it.

  166. ExEssex says:

    Facts like this dooooozy:

    The antibody cocktail for Covid-19 that President Trump touted on Wednesday afternoon was developed with cells originally derived from fetal tissue, a practice that his administration has moved to restrict.

    In June 2019, the Trump administration suspended federal funding for most new scientific research involving fetal tissue derived from abortions.

    “Promoting the dignity of human life from conception to natural death is one of the very top priorities of President Trump’s administration,” the Department of Health and Human Services said in a statement in 2019, around the time of the ban.

  167. ExEssex says:

    6:42 The antibody cocktail for Covid-19 that President Trump touted on Wednesday afternoon was developed with cells originally derived from fetal tissue, a practice that his administration has moved to restrict.

    In June 2019, the Trump administration suspended federal funding for most new scientific research involving fetal tissue derived from aBoRtionS.

  168. crushednjmillenial says:

    I hope the Covid vaccine really is released soon.

    According to Worldometer, yesterday (10/7) was the date with the highest confirmed new global Covid cases ever.

    France hit its highest daily confirmed cases yesterday. Same in the Netherlands. Very close to all-time daily high in UK. Highest day since the spring in Germany.

  169. crushednjmillenial says:

    3B . . . I thought Harris did fine yesterday because she was able to coherently assert her side’s talking points.

    Could she actually answer questions away from her talking points? No.
    Did she smoothly work back to her talking points, in pivoting away from questions presented? Not really.
    Did she connect deeply with any appreciable portion of the electorate – black people, women, or even hard-left liberals? No.
    Did she have a single spontaneous moment that landed her big points? No.

    But, she didn’t need any of that. Based on the polling, Biden has a stronger lead than Clinton did at this time in 2016. Biden is not nearly as reviled as Clinton was. Trump’s support has slipped, and his margin was razor thin last time around. If Biden was not cognitively 85 years old, there would be no questions about how this election will go whatsoever at this point. Thus, Harris just needed to get through without a massive controversy. Since she did not drop the ball big time, I believe I would be happy with her performance if I was in the Biden-Harris camp.

    Finally, I’ll say this. Harris is a creature of backroom Dem. manuevering and deals. I don’t believe she is a natural public politician. She is not, and never could be, a populist. But, she can apparently manueauver well behind closed doors among those in power in CA, and apparently also among national Dems. Like him or not, Obama (the last huge national Dem. personality to have emerged) is 10x the public politician with 10X the charisma of Harris. Sorry, if this is long-winded.

  170. homeboken says:

    Biden was asked, yet again, if he plans to add supeme court justices if he wins and takes the Senate. His response, is a new election strategy to me. Vote for me first, then I’ll tell you my ideas.

    “You’ll know my position on court-packing the day after election,” Biden says, calling it a distraction from the key issue of ACB nomination being rushed

  171. ExEssex says:

    I think 13 is a lucky number for the SCOTUS — oh yassss

  172. JCer says:

    This country was founded on the premise that democracy was dangerous, the general public was not to be trusted…..

    Furthermore voting for a representative was very restricted….we are a long way from home here. Watching an election between an orange lunatic and a nursing home patient who want’s to usher in the end of our representative government as we know it.

    I don’t know why anytime “green jobs” or “alternative energy” are mentioned they are not highlighting the massive failures that occurred during the Obama administration. They never achieved their targets for energy production, nor the jobs promised and many of these facilities/ventures/companies folded and besides taking tax payer money never produced a d@nm thing. There are billions of dollars worth of solar projects Obama funded that failed miserably….

  173. BRT says:

    The “green jobs” movement is stupid. They want us to scale up to massive investments in technologies that will likely be obsolete in 10 years. But we all know most of that money will go into failed ventures anyway. Wait for the tech to catch up, then make the investments. Solar has only gotten better over the years. They have this false 12 year (is it 11 year) window that somehow the world will pass a point of no return. Nobody has a crystal ball that can even come close to forecasting anything they do.

    We’ve reduced emissions consistently and achieved energy independence…while destroying the coal industry. They are never happy. Go nuclear…

  174. ExEssex says:

    GOP …. Groupies of Putin

  175. Bystander says:

    If only we could highlight the giant success stories of Dumpy administration. Give away billions (largest ever) in tax incentives to foreign entity, allow local towns to go billions in debt, stealing water from lakes, rolling back environmental restrictions to pump poison back into lakes..yet nothing to show for it. Nada. All lies. Why is this not talked about like, Solyndra? I heard ISIS was killed off by Trump yet they are moving in Iraq. Amazing what free passes the R’s get on these matters.

    “In 2018, the company was denied a jobs tax credit worth up to $9.5 million for its first year when it reported hiring 178 full-time workers, short of the target of 260 positions.

    Foxconn later downgraded its plan for the Mount Pleasant factory to Gen 6 screens. That was a departure from the contract, state officials told the company in late 2019 in communications that were obtained by the technology news website The Verge.

    Department of Administration Secretary Joel Brennan told the company in November 2019 that it had been “opaque about its project plans throughout 2018” and had not committed to an alternative project to the Gen 10.5 screens.

    At the end of 2019, the WEDC again denied the company tax credits for its 2018 jobs report, this time declaring it would not award them without an amended contract.
    In addition to the $3 billion in state tax credits that are still on hold for the company, the village of Mount Pleasant and Racine County have already invested $911 million to help pay for the development of the factory site.

    Meanwhile, Foxconn has several times announced changes in its plans for the Racine County factory. After the COVID-19 pandemic took hold earlier this year, the company announced plans to produce ventilators there in a partnership with the medical technology company Medtronic, through Foxconn Industrial Internet (Fii), a Foxconn business group.

    Both because Fii was not included in the Wisconsin-Foxconn contract, and because ventilators had not been identified as a product in that contract, that project appears also not to qualify for tax credits.

    Another Verge article in April 2020 asserted that Foxconn’s promised innovation centers around the state have been empty for more than a year.

  176. JCer says:

    bystander, the Trump administration is not the point. Anytime the government gets involved with large sums of money graft is not far behind….

    The idea of spending trillions on “green energy” is dumb for the reasons BRT points out. The tech quickly becomes obsolete, much of it never worked in the first place, the government is utterly incompetent and will always bet on a loser, and how much will be connected to incompetent politically connected firms. Obama used it as a political slush fund.

  177. Libturd from HUMC, with a nasty skin infection says:


  178. leftwing says:


    Infection cause your joint issue? Supposed to be beautiful today and tomorrow, get some sun. Hell, ocean is in the 60s, take a dip

  179. SomeOne says:


    Wait for the tech to catch up, then make the investments.

    Most of the big innovations, including space exploration, internet, and medical research, all took off because of government funding. Stepping too far away from that approach
    may result in some other country developing the tech and we licensing it.

  180. BRT says:

    Most of the big innovations, including space exploration, internet, and medical research, all took off because of government funding. Stepping too far away from that approach
    may result in some other country developing the tech and we licensing it.

    There’s a huge difference between funding the research and proposing to outfit every building in the country with the current existing technology that will be obsolete. Had we done what they wanted 10 years ago, we would be stuck with inefficient solar panels everywhere.

  181. leftwing says:

    chi, you asked yesterday I didn’t respond on options implied dividend view…just stumbled across the view, for oils no less. i did not do the calculation for XOM


  182. Hold my beer says:

    Anyone want to trade their spart phone for an old school flip phone? With the internet we would all be using dialup and still waiting for our latest cat picture to load. AOL and netscape would still be major players. Things can change pretty rapidly in Tech.

  183. Hold my beer says:

    smart phone. Sigh. Need a cup of death wish coffee

  184. 3b says:

    Essex: And Hunter Biden’s 3.5 million from the Mayor of Moscow in Russia? You know the big bad scary Russians who are destroying our democracy. It’s amazing to me that you won’t even acknowledge that. Why was Hunter Biden given 3.5 million dollars by a Russian Oligarchs wife who was Mayor of Moscow? What services did he provide? Why is was not deemed a conflict of interest with his Father as sitting VP.

  185. Hold my beer says:


    Are you the only one on this board who didn’t get 3.5 million from the wife of mayor of Moscow? /sarcasm

  186. Fast Eddie says:

    Most of the big innovations, including space exploration, internet, and medical research, all took off because of government funding.

    Where did the government get the money?

  187. Juice Box says:

    No Peace prize for Trump this moring.

  188. Chicago says:


    lol. Thanks for the room service.

  189. Fast Eddie says:

    Why was Hunter Biden given 3.5 million dollars by a Russian Oligarchs wife who was Mayor of Moscow? What services did he provide? Why is was not deemed a conflict of interest with his Father as sitting VP.

    What would the media be doing if this was Trump?

  190. 3b says:

    Fast: Exactly! I am not a Trump supporter, but the hypocrisy on the Democrats side is shocking to me! 4 years of Trump and the Russians, and nothing. Here we know Biden’s son was given this money, and it’s ignored. Why? Also the Democrats refusal to acknowledge that Biden is a very weak candidate, and their ridiculous belief that once Trump is gone all will be good again. Trump was elected because all was not well. Listening to Biden talking about building back better is a joke. He sat in Washington for 40 plus years 8 as VP, and watched as America’s economy was dismantled. He is corrupt like all the other bought and paid for politicians on both sides.

  191. leftwing says:

    NP. Was looking for a Carter Worth piece on GILD I thought was on that network and just stumbled into that piece.

    Kind of like yesterday, with the LYFT trade, I tuned in at lunch because the stock got funky on the back of their reporting…they saw and reported the trade by only the long side…while I was watching it the commented on the oils which is what spurred that thought yesterday. LYFT is nice, up 60% overnight…wish I could have gotten my entire fill, it’s ok I’ll hold longer term there looking for a good bang on that one.

    What are your best stimulus passing plays?

  192. ExEssex says:

    In a bizarre monologue on Fox News on Thursday, President Donald Trump said California would have to ration water because it was redirecting “millions of gallons” of water to the Pacific Ocean to help “certain little tiny fish.”

    The US president, who had difficulty speaking at times during the interview with Sean Hannity, also said that a victory for the Democratic presidential nominee, Joe Biden, would transform the US into “a ninth-world country.”

    Unprompted, he said in a response to a question about a Green New Deal touted by some Democrats: “California is going to have to ration water. You know why? Because they send millions of gallons of water out to sea, out to the Pacific, because they want to take care of certain little tiny fish that aren’t doing very well without water, to be honest with you. But it’s a very sad thing that’s happening.”

  193. BRT says:

    Shore real estate story. Neighbors bought a place for 700k in 2012. They just sold it for 1.25 million. No improvements.

  194. 3b says:

    BRT: I was in Spring Lake last week for sale signs every where. I wonder where those people are going?

  195. ExEssex says:

    It’s been a week since we learned that the president and first lady both tested positive for Covid-19, right after appearing at a series of possible superspreader events, including the largely mask-free feting of Amy Coney Barrett in the White House Rose Garden and a high-dollar fundraiser at Trump’s Bedminster, New Jersey, golf club. While Melania sequestered in the White House to wait out her quarantine (and conveniently avoid a burgeoning scandal over some leaked audiotapes), Donald began what was to be a weeklong parade of increasingly unhinged antics in and out of Walter Reed Hospital.

    Though in the past Trump’s absurd displays of his supposed brawn—making a show of his own ability to drink water, for instance—have mostly had the unintended effect of undermining his strength, the last seven days have been a particularly explicit expression of what I can only describe as Death Drive Masculinity, a real commitment to the bit of being extremely manly while also possibly dying and putting others at real risk. If illness is weakness, then Trump, in a series of increasingly farcical and dangerous efforts, would try to prove to the country just how strong he really was.

    Just hours before announcing that he and Melania had tested positive, he suggested in a call to Sean Hannity’s show that his disregard for social distancing guidelines was simply a function of his overwhelming popularity among law enforcement. If he was sick, it was only because cops loved him too much. Military and police, he claimed, “come over to you and they want to hug you and kiss you because we really have done a good job for them.” He then added, “You get close, and things happen,” which, incidentally, could have also described any number of the nondistanced events he had attended before his test results were made public. (Since last week, 11 other attendees of the Rose Garden event have also tested positive.)

  196. ExEssex says:

    On Friday night, after he was admitted to Walter Reed and pumped full of drugs, Trump wasted no time in issuing a flurry of dispatches intended to communicate that he was in exceptional health despite his hospitalization. He was, perhaps, the healthiest man alive to have ever been put on oxygen and hospitalized for a round of antivirals and powerful steroids.

    The stunts mostly served to put others in harm’s way while only baffling the public: On Saturday, the president arranged for the staging and release of a series of photos in which he appeared to be signing blank sheets of paper from his hospital confinement. (“Nothing can stop him from working for the American people. RELENTLESS!” tweeted Ivanka, though exactly how Americans stand to benefit from Trump’s poring over blank paper remains unclear.) The next day, he went for a casual spin in a limo with some Secret Service agents in order to wave to a group of fans posted outside the hospital and, it should be said, potentially spread Covid-19 to his security detail. “The virus didn’t really slow him down,” Tucker Carlson recently marveled, as if scribbling with markers and riding in the back of an armored vehicle were feats of extreme strength.

  197. Fast Eddie says:

    The US president, who had difficulty speaking at times during the interview with Sean Hannity…

    He was on for almost 30 minutes, didn’t stop talking and sounded exactly like his old self. But it’s all moot, right? You’ll get your genderless bathrooms, 23 members on the S.C., punishment for those that earn, redistribution, higher taxes, strangling regulation and attempts to eradicate all historical markings that have anything to do with hurting people’s feelings. This is not my opinion, this is fact.

  198. 3b says:

    Essex: Take it easy buddy, he will not be re-elected on November 3rd. And all will be well again.

  199. ExEssex says:

    And Carlson, of course, is just one of several people who reliably indulges the president in his delusions of hypermasculinity. After news broke that Trump would be leaving the hospital, his doctor, Sean Conley, fawned over the president’s good health (only after several days, naturally, of obfuscating his actual conditions). “He’s met or exceeded all standard hospital discharge criteria,” Conley said, echoing Trump’s previous and similarly sycophantic doctor, Harold Bornstein, who wrote in a now-infamous Trump-dictated letter that his “physical strength and stamina are extraordinary.”

    On Monday, in a tweet announcing his departure from the hospital, the president declared that he’d actually never felt better—“better than I did 20 years ago!” Following his release, Trump lurched onto the White House balcony, preened there for a minute in a vaguely Axis Powers fashion, then tore off his mask for no apparent reason other than to give a double thumbs-up and seemingly struggle for air. His decision to leave the hospital predictably threw the White House into disarray; the cleaning crew that remains is now forced to wear hazmat suits, and more than two dozen staffers have tested positive for Covid-19 to date. And yet Trump’s incredible flouting of Covid best practices appears to have permanently seeped into his entourage. “None of the handful of staffers spotted around the West Wing on Monday morning had on masks, except for cleaning staff and the Secret Service agents who still stood at their posts along hallways,” NBC reported.

    Then, on Wednesday, just before the vice presidential debate, Trump issued yet another video communiqué from the lawn outside the Oval Office, in which he bellowed about the curative properties of Regeneron, a drug cocktail he had received during his hospital stay. The treatment, however, remains in clinical trial and could potentially cost civilian patients nearly $100,000. As it turns out, Renegeron’s CEO is an “acquaintance” of Trump’s and a member of his golf club; Trump furthermore owned shares of the company as recently as 2017. And though the president promised at some point during his five-minute dispatch to make the drug free, there’s zero indication, as Melody Schreiber recently wrote, of how he plans to go about making that happen.

  200. Fast Eddie says:


    The left will have two years to run roughshod, I’m hoping the damage is minimal. The midterm elections will swing the other way and the House and Senate will then turn the executive branch into a lame duck.

  201. Fast Eddie says:

    Of course, as usual, I’m only concerned about making money. They want to toy with so-called s0cial issues and other mindless, feel-good bullsh1t, let them have at it. We’ll get around it as we always do. Symbols, signs, motifs, hope, change, protests, all that groovy blether, tripe and drivel still leaves them at square one. That’s where the anger really festers… they can’t understand why 6 decades of their “work” is still leaving them at the starting line.

  202. 30 year realtor says:

    You folks going on about Hunter Biden and the 3.5 million, where are you seeing the proof that this was nefarious?


  203. ExEssex says:

    The level of stupid represented here is Breathtaking…

    Cough coUgh

  204. SomeOne says:


    Of course, as usual, I’m only concerned about making money.
    … by shilling for Trump day and night on an RE blog?

  205. 30 year realtor says:


    You appear to have conceded not only the presidential election but also control of the senate. I thought real men don’t concede?

  206. Fast Eddie says:

    … by shilling for Trump day and night on an RE blog?

    As if I’m not generating streams of money as I write this? Is your capacity so linear?

  207. 3b says:

    30 year the article you referenced proves nothing in my opinion.

  208. 30 year realtor says:


    It isn’t supposed to prove anything specific. It is to show that there is doubt as to what entity received the funds and what the funds were for. The Republicans making the assertion that it was money intended for Hunter Biden for nefarious purposes has no proof.

  209. 30 year realtor says:

    Regarding nepotism and conflicts of interest, here is a bit on the Trump children…


  210. ExEssex says:

    11:58 something tells me you are a cost center.

  211. 30 year realtor says:


    Social issues like everyone having health insurance? Everyone being entitled to equal treatment under the law? Trustworthy public health agencies? Is this the type of feel good stuff you mean?

  212. Fast Eddie says:

    11:58 something tells me you are a cost center.

    Not even in the same ballpark. I wish I could divulge here but I can’t.

  213. ExEssex says:

    Tax records expose more than $21 million in highly unusual payments from the Las Vegas hotel Donald Trump owns with Phil Ruffin, routed through other Trump companies and paid out in cash.

  214. BRT says:

    It doesn’t have to be nefarious to be a conflict of interest by definition.

  215. BRT says:

    3b, I don’t think they are going anywhere. I think that, like my neighbors, is their second home possibly planned retirement home. This was my neighbors plan. Now they’ll take their million dollar lotto ticket andove to a state that doesn’t gut them. Either that or wait for this hysteria to crash and buy back in.

  216. 30 year realtor says:

    Does anyone here believe Trump has been cured of COVID-19? Do any of you feel that Trump holding a live campaign event tomorrow is irresponsible given there is no proof that he is no longer contagious?

    As to the next debate, real men don’t run away from a debate because of a minor change to the rules to protect people’s health.

  217. Juice Box says:

    30 year – are you saying that the protocols don’t work?

  218. BRT says:

    You either test positive or don’t.

  219. 30 year realtor says:


    Which protocols are you referring to?


    Where are the test results?

  220. leftwing says:

    30YR, you used to be a value added poster here, what happened?

    The GC article is laughable. Roasts Ivanka for getting TRADEMARKS. In her own name. Yeah, for someone with an eight figure net worth that’s the equivalent of an addicted, dishonorably discharged pauper getting $600k directly for doing nothing from a State enterprise. LOL.

    Trump and C19….Gottlieb is among the most informed and impartial parties out there, he was on CNBC this morning and asked exactly that question, he responded by saying Trump is clear tomorrow provided his symptoms have abated.

    Debate? Fcuking really? Moving to an on-line format is anything but a minor change. Certainly less than just pushing back the two debates by a week, which Biden declined.

    Just stop. Really.

  221. leftwing says:

    Juice, BRT see if you can find the Gottlieb interview from this morning on CNBC. It’s informative.

    Basically, what he said is clearance is based on time elapsed from/since symptoms. Per him the only other way to tell is through an actual culture, reason being that everyone continues to shed (dead) virus even after the contagious period has expired. The shedding is exacerbated if steroids are used which they were of course. Any other test would continue to show (dead) virus.

  222. Phoenix says:

    Give them both a PAPR and they can stand right next to each other. Give them both gloves and they can shake hands.
    Next give them both 5 lb mallets and let them beat the crap out of each other.

  223. leftwing says:

    “Tax records EXPOSE more than $21 million in highly unusual payments…” [my caps]

    Yeah, because criminals usually highlight their crimes on forms filed with the IRS….Jesus, you lefties are all nuts…..see you guys when some sanity returns here. Heading to the shore. Have a good weekend all.

  224. Phoenix says:

    Better yet, make PAPR’s that look like Superhero characters, Avenger type. Then even the kids will want to watch as they battle.
    We can put little bubbles over them with words like “pow” “zowie” and “ouch.”

    I’d love to see Pence wearing a Robin costume, Kamala being Wonder Girl.”

    Have the debate on Halloween for the full effect.

  225. Phoenix says:

    Enjoy your trip. Don’t buy any overpriced crapshacks in Spring Lake while you are down there.

  226. BRT says:

    I don’t know. But you seem to think it’s impossible to be clear of the virus. Given the rapid treatment I predict ed on day 1 that it would have been an immediate recovery. If you got the common cold with zinc and an ionophore quick enough, you can clear it in 1.5 days.

  227. 3b says:

    BRT: Not sure that is the case with SL, as opposed to other shore towns, as SL has much more of a year round community than other shore towns, from what I have seen. Spent last weekend in my good friends guest cottage down there. I have the key! His Father am Irish immigrant made a fortune in construction and other ventures. He retired in his early 50s as a partner from Sullivan and Cromwell. He finally dumped his miserable wife and lives with his girlfriend also a retired partner from S&C. Splits his time between Ireland, Spring Lake and Florida. Nicest guy in the world; he looks like Pierce Brosnan. Always women around him, back in our college days, which helped us!!

  228. ExEssex says:

    1:56 neat.

  229. BRT says:

    Had a friend’s dada who was old school Irish. He was reading a book on the Westies and there was one guy in witness protection. His father goes, “he’s in Spring Lake” under a new name. Hilarious.

  230. Juice Box says:

    3b – Spring Lake’s year round age group is older perhaps 60+ median age, perahps they are heading to God’s waiting room or even six foot under? Could also be allot of people looking to cash out there are houses all around there way overpriced.

    How do you get from $490,000 to 2.995 million? This house is 1 lot from the Train Tracks and does not look worth half that amount.


  231. 3b says:

    Juice: Definitely an older population. 60 not old today, but taxes are obscene in SL, but it is a beautiful town. I just like I have access to the guest cottage when I want! It’s nice to have an uber wealthy friend! He and his sister will inherit a huge portfolio of apartment buildings, houses and the business, along with various properties in the old country.

  232. 3b says:

    BRT: Westies although minor now, are still around. They dominated the stage and concert crew business. Ain’t getting in there unless you are connected.

  233. 3b says:

    Should have said they still dominate.

  234. 30 year realtor says:


    Nowhere did Exessex indicate anything about illegality regarding Trump’s taxes in his comment. Then you start with insults. Is this a value add?

  235. JCer says:

    I agree with leftwing, that GQ article is discussing what amounts to pennies to people like the Trumps and Kushners, no smoking gun and no large sums of money changing hands. Not to defend the messiness of Trump’s entanglements, the situation is certainly not ideal and somewhat reprehensible but it is a different animal all together than what we see with Hunter Biden.

    As for 21m in payments, just talk to Homeboken he can explain this is business as usual for realestate holding companies, money moves between ventures all the time.

    The lack of media coverage on Biden’s Tara Reede scandal, Hunter Biden’s various criminal activities, and the rather damning evidence that the Russia collusion scandal was architected by Hillary with the entire Obama administration well aware of the plot. Frankly as much as the orange clown doesn’t deserve to be re-elected, Biden’s involvement and knowledge of the scheme and weaponizing of the FBI/CIA/FISA courts should disqualify him from being the next president……………

  236. Juice Box says:

    Skool down here will now reopen on Monday to a full 5 day week for families that opt in, it’s still a half day until 1PM. Kids will still have plenty of work to do at home right after they get off the bus.

  237. Juice Box says:

    Ballot sent in today. I voted to legalize, the stoners need to pay their fair share in taxes too.

  238. Phoenix says:

    That ballot packet was thick and really loaded down the motor in my shredder.

    It got the job done, however. It gets to take a break now for the rest of the day.

  239. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Skool down here will now reopen on Monday to a full 5 day week for families that opt in, it’s still a half day until 1PM. Kids will still have plenty of work to do at home right after they get off the bus.

    This is a good thing. The kid’s morale is starting to make a comeback while inside school. Behind the screen, it’s a very sad state of affairs.

  240. Phoenix says:

    “This is a good thing. The kid’s morale is starting to make a comeback while inside school. Behind the screen, it’s a very sad state of affairs.”

    Many of my co-workers children prefer online schooling/or hybrid. Gen -Z does not have the same issues as Boomers when it comes to a touch screen.

    For some kids it’s better, for others it’s worse.

  241. Juice Box says:

    Kids are screaming for activity. My oldest is at a friends house tonight for a long play date that began after school at 1 PM, just a bunch of boys, the mom called to tell us it was awesome they have have not looked happy like this and have not been nicer to her in a long long time, like the time we went to Orlando and hung out. I do remember when I was their age, time with close friends like this, the anticipation for it and the bonding that occurs, it’s important for their growth. We have soccer matches in the morning, and my sister and her kids will be down for pumpkin picking and decorating. I usually go all out decorating for Halloween, this year I hope the kids show up.

    Cheers everyone.

  242. BRT says:

    Many of my co-workers children prefer online schooling/or hybrid. Gen -Z does not have the same issues as Boomers when it comes to a touch screen.

    For some kids it’s better, for others it’s worse.

    For older kids who are the cream of the crop, it doesn’t matter, they will come out on top and they are in the process of doing it now. Nearly all of my asian students have opted for virtual, which I didn’t see coming. My AP classes are universally doing fine, regardless of the situation. The real damage is done is for the bottom 50% and special ed students.

    Elementary all virtual is an absolute train wreck with parents constantly acting as onsite tech support and monitor.

  243. Ok pal says:

    Can anyone link me that great inspector?

  244. Juice Box says:

    Uber was too busy for me eight years ago, he may be Super-Uber busy now.

    Here is the info. Good Luck on becoming a bag holder!@


  245. ExEssex says:

    Broadway Closed until May 2021 …. oy

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