C19 Open Discussion Week 39

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  1. njtownhomer says:

    1st

    the effect of thanksiving will be in 10 days. So many cars in the driveways in my neighborhood.

  2. Hold my beer says:

    Lots of extra cars in my neighborhood too. I bet we get 2 million cases a week the first full week of December

    11 of the 22 hospital zones in Texas already have 15% or more of their beds taken up by COVID. People are going to die from illnesses and injuries they would have survived in a normal year because the hospital system will be swamped with COVID cases. Try not to get an embolism or fall down in the shower until at least May.

  3. Walking says:

    The zappos ceo just died in a house fire he was renovating in new london ct. What is it with that town and house fires? You would think these guys would hire legit contractors.

  4. Walking says:

    These guys= wealthy folks. The other fire I was thinking of was the Christmas fire where the house was being renovated and the divorced wife’s boyfriend threw out the fireplace ashes into a trash can, burning the house down with her two kids.

  5. Chicago says:

    Isn’t that the plot of Manchester By The Sea?

    Walking says:
    November 28, 2020 at 9:41 pm
    These guys= wealthy folks. The other fire I was thinking of was the Christmas fire where the house was being renovated and the divorced wife’s boyfriend threw out the fireplace ashes into a trash can, burning the house down with her two kids.

  6. ExEssex says:

    The contractor at the center of the fatal 2011 Christmas fire in Connecticut that killed his girlfriend’s three young girls and their grandparents has died, according to reports. Michael Borcina, 58, died Oct. 3 after battling cancer, his friend Greg Bracco told Newsday.

  7. Juice Box says:

    Walking story is he was visiting an ex-coworker in her home, and got trapped in the basement where the fire started. Who knows maybe he was tryin to fix the heater.

  8. Very Stable Genius says:

    Virus Deaths Approach Spring Record Amid Changing U.S. Crisis

    On April 15, more Americans were reported dead of Covid-19 than on any other day of the pandemic. The daily toll is growing close once more.

    By Campbell Robertson, Giulia McDonnell Nieto del Rio, Joseph Goldstein and Mitch Smith
    Nov. 28, 2020
    On April 15, the United States reached a grim nadir in the pandemic: 2,752 people across the country were reported to have died from Covid-19 that Wednesday, more than on any day before or since.

    For months, the record stood as a reminder of the pain the coronavirus was inflicting on the nation, and a warning of its deadly potential. But now, after seven desperate months trying to contain the virus, daily deaths are rising sharply and fast approaching that dreadful count again.

  9. ExEssex says:

    Proposition 15 would have been the largest tax increase in California history and its defeat this month was, by any definition, a huge setback for its sponsors, primarily public employee unions.

    They had been yearning for decades to crack Proposition 13, the 1978 ballot measure that limits property taxes, and convinced themselves that singling out commercial property for new taxes would be a winner, especially in a high turnout presidential election.

    After Proposition 15 was defeated, its advocates tried to place a positive spin on the outcome, hinting that they would try again to persuade voters to pass new taxes of some kind on someone or something. However, the notion that Californians really want to raise taxes was destroyed last week in a new poll from the UC Berkeley’s Institute of Governmental Studies.

    The poll, conducted just before the election, found that by 53% to 19%, voters still support Proposition 13, which explains, in large measure, why Proposition 15 failed so badly. The opposition campaign’s own polling obviously found the same sentiment and used it effectively to warn voters that its passage would be only the first step toward repealing the 42-year-old property tax limit.

    Read more here: https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/article247411230.html#storylink=cpy

  10. BoomerRemover says:

    Scrolling through my insta feed and everyone is posting their look at me travel photos from Florida, Ohio, California, Colombia, Poland.

    A lot of people are traveling. I’m beginning to feel like a bit like an idiot for having a low key holiday while all the low IQ folks are fkn out living their best life.

  11. joyce says:

    If you’re willing to share, are these insta-photos from people who live there or traveled there?

  12. ExEssex says:

    Top federal health officials on Sunday forecast a post-Thanksgiving spike in coronavirus infections, deaths and stress on hospitals and medical staff. At the same time, they said that it was still possible to blunt the deadly rise with the tried and true measures of mask wearing and social distancing.

    Dr. Deborah L. Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator, urged Americans to take it upon themselves to “protect yourself and your family,” even in states and cities where authorities had not required any such measures. During an appearance on CBS News’s “Face the Nation,” Dr. Birx seemed to be speaking to the political divide in the country, directly addressing “incredibly independent and fabulous Americans” who may be skeptical of measures to limit the spread of the virus.

    Taking perhaps the strongest line of several top officials who spoke on Sunday, she said that travelers “have to assume that you were exposed and you became infected and you really need to get tested in the next week.” She urged that travelers avoid anyone in their family over 65 or with underlying illnesses.

  13. BoomerRemover says:

    These are people local to NYC traveling outbound. These are not close connections but good mix of social circles and castes.

    The amount of flex photos almost rivals the amount of “Where can I get a Covid test ASAP?” posts mid last week.

  14. BRT says:

    Has anyone been out to any retail store or supermarket lately? I seriously doubt Thanksgiving gathering of 15 is going to be the cause of the rises. Its the 200 people in Target that don’t believe 6 ft or even 1 ft matters anymore when you have a cloth mask on. I’m back to n95 and gloves at the food store.

    Ironically, the safest I feel all day outside of being at home is at school. We are still in person and haven’t had a single confirmed case in district in 3 weeks.

  15. Juice Box says:

    BRT I agree, the stores have stopped enforcing the lines, they don’t want to pay the workers to direct traffic. Lines form now inside for checkout instead of outside for distancing. Not sure what the occupancy is for supermarkets but it needs to be spaced out more. And Granny and Grandpa need to stop shopping in the prime time, I see them there all the time 65+ age and still feeling up the produce…

  16. Hold my beer says:

    I have been in Walmart and hmart in the last week. The key is to get there when they first open and keep moving. Walmart I do the self checkout . They have full regular register open for self checkout. No one within 20 feet of me. The express self checkouts have too many people around them. Was at Best Buy Wednesday night too around 8:30 PM. Only a few other customers in the place. I will not go into a grocery store in the evening or on a weekend. Will be too crowded.

  17. BRT says:

    We still can’t convince our parents to do the senior hours. I did the same thing in April. Go to the store at night and it was empty.

  18. Fabius Maximus says:

    Interesting.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/28/success/refinancing-home-adverse-market-fee-december-1/index.html
    But beginning December 1, refinancing will likely cost homeowners more. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will charge a new — and hotly contested — “adverse market fee” on refinanced mortgages.

  19. grim says:

    From the Hill:

    Almost one-third of small businesses in New Jersey have have closed: report

    A third of small businesses in New Jersey have closed down in 2020, according to a report from The Star-Ledger newspaper.

    “It’s really bad… And without federal dollars coming into New Jersey, the Main Street stores and other establishments are not gonna make it through the winter.” said Eileen Kean, the state director of the National Federation of Independent Business.

    Harvard-based data project TrackTheRecovery.org estimated that 31 percent of businesses have closed down so far as of Nov. 9. This number is just above the national average estimated by the website. The New Jersey Business & Industry Association reported similar numbers, estimating 28 percent of businesses had closed down by October.

    The newspaper notes that despite the holiday shopping season, business leaders are still concerned that the trend could get worse as stimulus talks stall on Capitol Hill.

  20. grim says:

    No 4 for 4 on the vaccine news this morning?

  21. Juice Box says:

    Supply chain for the vaccines headed towards large scale production.

    Moderna has contracted with Catalent (Somerset NJ) to provide vial filling and packaging to support production of an initial 100 million doses of vaccine.

    Lots of US and European manufacturing involved too

    https://cen.acs.org/business/outsourcing/Pfizer-Moderna-ready-vaccine-manufacturing/98/i46

  22. Fast Eddie says:

    Your incoming president fractures his foot and you’d be hard-pressed to find it. No big deal, the fluff media will hide it as much as possible. He’ll be in a walking boot for weeks. Shhh!!! Don’t tell anyone!!

  23. Libturd says:

    I heard about it on the local news last night. Really not a big deal. He’s old. This is common with old people. Did he make any impossible claims, berate any reporters, puzzy comments, any mention of Mexican rapists? That seems to be the way to make the front page.

  24. Hold my beer says:

    Its not like he had bone Spurs in his youth and couldn’t serve in the military that have now magically healed so he can golf 3 days a week in his 70s.

  25. chicagofinance says:

    Local News (Murphy is a hypocrite and his kid is a stoner, sh!tfaced PIA Edition):

    I spoke with a friend in town over the weekend (by phone) who is a serious Trumpite and really doesn’t take the Covid stuff seriously. I haven’t seen the guy in person since roughly Labor Day. Anyway, his daughter is a senior at RBC and threw a Halloween Party. About midway through the evening, Murphy’s kid (the one kicked out of Andover and Ranney [local private school down here]) shows up seriously stoned and sh!tfaced to the point he almost fell down a set of stairs. My friend almost kicked him off the property, but instead his friends took him away. Monday morning they get a registered letter delivered from Trenton warning them never to do it again. Then the state forces RBC to go all remote for two weeks.

    I guess Murphy does a good job of covering his tracks when required.

    What a pile of sh!t that family is…….

  26. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    “Conspiracy theories”

    Is there anything more outlandish than an outgoing president conspiring to frame up and destroy the incoming president? Not that I can think of, but Obama did it. After that, the realm of the possible is pretty broad.

    I’d like a full accounting of the election procedures and legality before moving on.

  27. ExEssex says:

    9:58 you lost. How’s that for an accounting?

  28. leftwing says:

    “The amount of flex photos…”

    So happy I don’t have an instagram account and my facebook exists solely for access to the occasional business to cheap or lazy to get a proper website.

  29. Libturd says:

    In other news, don’t turn 50. Heading to the urologist this week (don’t ask) and have my physical tomorrow. Getting the butt plunge later in December.

    BTW, D-Fense paid off on his election bet. Someone should let the president know. Seriously, he didn’t have to, as he was generous towards my family during D’s medical crisis and I gave him the out. But he hand delivered the bourbon like a true gentleman.

    Anyone know where Homeboken went or who he was an alter ego to? That poster disappeared the moment it became certain he would lose the bet.

    And for the record, you guys all know I would have paid. Integrity is pretty much all I strive for.

    Finally, I cooked a lot on my four-day weekend at home. Besides smoking the bird and making the sweet potato casserole and noodle kugel, I also smoked my first set of beef ribs. Oh my goodness were they glorious. My son called them perfection. I also made my traditional vat of smoked turkey chili with the 7 pounds of leftover turkey after removing the skin and bones. Finally, placed a 17 pound brisket into the curing bucket for some Katz style pastrami in about 12 days.

    Also TPSed, liquid sandpapered, roughed up and primed that $9,000 Habersham sideboard. Since it was too hard to strip the stain and finish of off it (I really tried, but this is some high quality shit that would have taken me probably 40 hours to do), I decided that this one would have to be air sprayed. Going to go with a navy blue satin finish. Bought the highest quality cabinet paint I could find at Lowes. We’ll see how she comes out. I removed and stripped the paint off of all of the brass hardware, so it should really ‘pop’ once finished and reassembled.

    In other news, heard hockey and all other HS and youth indoor sports will be terminated today until January.

    Six kids tested positive on the HS girls soccer team and one other isolated case reported this weekend in GR. Perhaps when Trump said Easter he meant Easter of 2021? Schools going remote at least one more week here and more likely through the end of the year once the Turkey day spike shows up. Anecdotally, driving the D to his last (really covid safe) skate of the year (most likely), noticed everyone in masks finally in the Clair. Well, except for most kids who feel they are immune, until they take out their parents. The lack of decent parenting shows terribly. Heck, both my kids know they need to wear one when not physically distanced and don’t say boo about it. If my 7-year old autistic kid can wear a mask from 8am to 3pm four days a week. Then what the fukc is with these spoiled brats?

  30. Libturd says:

    “‘All statehouses won, and in Washington we did great. So I led this great charge, and I’m the only one that lost? No, it doesn’t work that way. This was a massive fraud, a RIGGED ELECTION!’ Trump added.”

    Perhaps, just maybe, people had enough of you, but still voted the party line elsewhere?

    Still, there has not been one iota of evidence found yet that points to any intentional fraud whatsoever around this election. The only fraud is the embarrassing moron in the White House whose choice in not to concede just cements his position as the worst president ever. I’m really glad Carter is still alive to witness his push up a solid rung.

  31. Fast Eddie says:

    Did he make any impossible claims, berate any reporters, puzzy comments, any mention of Mexican rapists?

    Naw, he just called a woman a dog-faced whatever, told some guy he was fat, threatened another guy in a hard hat to a fight and told the guy he doesn’t represent him and called a sitting president a clown. But like you said, he’s old. Old people break things. This is now the left’s leader… a man with dementia and a brittle body.

  32. NJbuyer says:

    offtopic but

    The great pumpkin proved to be right with his roaring 2020s prediction. The rest of the old crowd still seems to be living in 70s. Anyone listened to them for the past 2-4 years about NJ real estate coming crashing down bla bla, they would be ruining their lives.

    Most of these so-called experts seems to be stuck in some strange mindset and keep repeating the same thing all over again.

    Glad I bought a house in June in NY suburb right off of RT3. At last. OR I would have been priced out for at least 5 years. Those arguing about NY being dead and WFH is for ever have ZERO-CLue

    I don’t think pumps is genius but it has been proved the rest of the crowd to be clueless for sure.

  33. Phoenix says:

    Eddie,
    Just wait till he falls down the stairs and breaks his neck. Then Kamala is your new president.
    Hope you have cases of Grim’s Hooch stored up somewhere along with your ammo, cash, and gold bars. Maybe some popcorn as well.

    A little redundancy is in order.

  34. Fast Eddie says:

    Perhaps, just maybe, people had enough of you, but still voted the party line elsewhere?

    O’Biden gets 5 million more votes than Oblammy when people were having org@sms over Oblammy? Sure. O’Biden got trounced with the minority vote and got killed down ballot and yet, he got 5 mil more. Could it be all we needed to do is color the dot for O’Biden and forget the undercard? And who needs a matching signature? Or any signature at all? It’s mathematically impossible and that’s not my words, that’s the words of a three different professors. At the end of the day, though, the results are in and the nursing home guy is now your president.

  35. No One says:

    Trump denying he lost fairly is entirely predictable and was telegraphed months ago.
    If it was rigged, why didn’t they rig the house and senate elections as well? Trump is a solipsist who ironically at the same time craves recognition from others.

    I hope Repubs win the 2 GA senate races, so they can at least moderate the bad new tax and spending plans Dems have in mind. I’ll be lucky if my tax take stays below 50% by 2022.

  36. Phoenix says:

    Nj Buyer,
    If the vaccine works, and people do return to the city, and things calm down, then prices will stabilize or drop. This is a crisis. Some who bought during this hype have a better chance of being buried in their houses than selling for a profit.

    At the end of the day its a place to hang your hat.

  37. Phoenix says:

    Eddie,
    I for one know and accept there is no way any American can know if the voting result is real.
    America is full of bedbugs and roaches, from the churches, to the schools, the courts, the government, and even neighbors and families.

    Money is like the bait that brings those roaches out into the daylight. Rare is the roach that has any integrity.

    The exterminator.

  38. Juice Box says:

    Power went out twice this morning so far, wind is blowing pretty steady so perhaps some downed tree limbs. We are full remote this week just incase somebody did not quarantine. I would say we are gradually going to be back into full lockdown by Christmas, new positive cases are now surpassing April’s peak at 4,000 a day for 10 of the past 14 days.

    Gov Murphy says he does not want to shut things down again but it’s not off the table. It would be the death blow to many many small businesses that still remain after the last lockdown, those small business are now up to their eyeballs in debt now just trying to keep the doors open a little longer.

    Yet our FDA won’t officially meet until Dec 10th to consider the Pfizer application for their mRNA Covid vaccine. They could have 50 million doses out the door by the end of this year. Moderna says they are lined up from 20 million doses too. Why not meet this week? Oh it’s a long vacation week, congress is not in session until tomorrow.

    They could have everyone 65+ vaccinated by January 1st and we would not need to go into a long lockdown again. Kids get the vaccine last according to Dr. Fauci, so it’s time to start lining up the boomers and send out armed squads of vaccinators.

  39. 3b says:

    Nj buyer: plan on staying where you are for a long time, as prices won’t continue to go up. As for you use of the term priced out, that is telling as that was what so called experts were saying over 30 years ago, when I bought my first house. That comment makes absolutely no sense if you stop and think about it.

    We are not stuck in the past, we speak from experience, it’s never different this time except for this time it will be worse, as the ridiculous low rates are being cancelled out by the high prices, thus inflating the bubble even more.

    When people do return to the city it will be very different then what it was, and many will never be returning to the city, there is simply no need for it. And companies will save a fortune by eliminating or cutting back on commercial office space.
    As for the roaring 2020s the stock market and Main Street are two very different things, and never have the two been more different then they are now.
    Commercial real estate in NYC will never command the prices they once did. They have zero leverage now. Facts and circumstances change and WFH has changed everything.

  40. relo says:

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  41. Juice Box says:

    Ug

    Mod mod mod, trying again and again and again.

    Looks like there are 15 steps up the front porch in Biden’s rais*ed beach house where they were staying over the long Ho*liday weeke*nd. Perha*ps they might need to sprin*g for a Presid*ential stai*r lift for the new sum*mer white house. They could even station some marines to walk the dogs and collect the waste.

  42. Grim says:

    UK will approve before the US does.0

  43. Grim says:

    More interested in the fact that Biden was out playing with his dog than he broke his foot. Feel like that’s an important quality for a president to have.

  44. Libturd says:

    I wonder who will live longer? Biden or his dog?

  45. Libturd says:

    As for shopping in person. Shoprite from home has been pretty good for us. Home Depot has excellent curbside delivery as does Lowes, with their locker system. Otherwise, if I need to stand near someone, or if I can tell a place is over capacity and/or not practicing covid safety among the employees, I simply won’t go in. Heck, I even get my gas touchless through the BPme app. If there is a will, there is a way. In a strange way, I prefer it more this way.

  46. Juice Box says:

    Now this is funny.

    Mike Tyson says he smoked marijuana before fight vs. Roy Jones Jr, said he quit cocaine 2 years ago.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/boxing/2020/11/29/mike-tysonsmoked-marijuana-before-his-fight-vs-roy-jones-jr/6455528002/

  47. Juice Box says:

    re: “In a strange way, I prefer it more this way.”

    So does Cartman he wrote a song about it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywsU4UxLIu8

  48. Juice Box says:

    Biden definitely got the dog lovers vote. It was just one of the many things that cost Trump re-election.

    I predict if the Republican’s lose the Senate in the run off races and Kamala would cast tie breaking votes on some big spending, we can say we are in for some additional dislocation as money will slosh around all resulting in inflation as there is no other road to travel on.

  49. Grim says:

    Surprised they didn’t brine the roads this morning.

  50. BRT says:

    Both Tyson and Jones looked amazing for their age.

  51. njtownhomer says:

    was in the city yesterday.

    Good crowd but not much tourists. Shops were 2/3 open with few customers. So many eateries closed or at near closing. Too bad perhaps, but also I believe NYC had too many.

    The city has a balance and I believe the migration was overblown. Once the vaccine becomes available, I’d expect young and tech crowd will flock in. TX, UT, OH, TN hideouts are nice, but NYC has so many to offer. In a year or so we will get full utilization of the apartments and retail. It may be quicker than we know. Another key is also immigration. If gates are re-opened there will be inflows we didn’t have about a year or so.

  52. NJbuyer says:

    3b,

    I got spooked due to 2006 crash and never bought. Waited in 2016,17, 18 and finally bought in June below listing somehow. Now they have spiked even more. I put 35% down and less than 10 miles from Manhattan and in a commuter town. I’m locked in a 2.5% 30 year loan and the mortgage is 60% of my previous rent. ofcourse with prop tax its a wash.

    What I’m saying is, once COVID is gone and will be gone, all those people who bought in Maine will be in for a surprise. anything in commuter towns will hold the value. Atleast in terms of residential RE.

    as far as NY, we might see some downside but in long term, it won’t… Just check HK and Mumbai prices… Manhattan is Manhattan and will be growing and RE will keep up. I have RE abroad and I think US prices are Cheap and definitely in East coast compared to SFO etc. NJ prices have lagged historically for the past 10 years and I see not much drop until 2024.

    But, whoever bought in a bidding war probably is hosed. Whoever bought in main is too. The best bet is suburbs… If the Maine crowd is asked to come back, they will come back to suburbs with commuter towns if not to Manhattan.

  53. Fast Eddie says:

    In a year or so we will get full utilization of the apartments and retail.

    I told my brothers that we should buy an apartment (or two) in Manhattan and flip it on the upswing. We were told a vaccine is years away. As quickly as this plague swooped in will be as quick as it’s exit. By the spring/summer, it’ll be in the rear view mirror. I can’t tell you in my lifetime how many times we were told NYC was dead.

  54. NJbuyer says:

    njtownhomer,

    The unfortunate part apart in NY and losses and business down, I do love the current state… less people, less traffic, less craziness, less tourists, more parking..

    I was there yesterday and it was nice.. I would never live in Manhattan abut would like to visit often. I will enjoy until it lasts. Took me 10 mins to get in and 10 mins to get out driving..

    Also the American Dream, when will they shut down ??

  55. NJbuyer says:

    Also I have learnt the bitter lesson

    ‘Don’t Ever bet Against Amrika”…

    I got hurt and paying catching up in terms of my investments..

    My RE investments abroad went up 300% in past 15 years BUT the strong USD made most of it almost a wash….. if I had put that same $$$ in US, would be retiring now.

  56. 3b says:

    Fast: WFH changes everything Fast. I know you don’t like it , but it’s here and not going away. I know several people involved in Human Resources as well as real estate space planning at some big name companies, and they are all in various stages of planning what they will look like post Covid, and it involves WFH on a large scale basis and dumping real estate when leases are up. The cost savings are simply so much they can’t ignore it. As well they are all doing geographically agnostic hiring for open positions. The days of schleping back and forth on trains and buses for many people will be a thing of the past. NYC will have to become competitive, and that will occur with a decline in real estate prices and general cost of living.

  57. Libturd says:

    Gary,

    I thought about it too. Though it may take a while for the big recoup. Without the corporate rateables, I wonder what is going to happen to the low property taxes in Manhattan. I’m fairly certain our company is going to remain 80% or so work from home after the vaccine. Plus we all still have to get to the pay for this pandemic stage of the crisis. So far, it’s all been borrowed money. Have no idea how towns are going to balance the budget. I’m half convinced the economy has only been hanging on due to stimulus. Once again, not sure they can ever pull the plug without the bottom falling out. It will fall out. It ALWAYS does. I wouldn’t be more than 50% long until it does. Markets, both housing and equities are at record valuations after a year where the economy stood still. It all does not connect. I know the market is forward looking, but it always misses the upcoming crashes. It will once again. And this time we are starting with a FED that has no more bullets left and a deficit that has not been at this percentage of the GDP since WWII. Somethings got to give. Just wish I knew when!

  58. chicagofinance says:

    Seriously……. I predict headlines in 2022-2024 about the damage done to twentysomethings who were never socialized as professionals…… all of a sudden there will be a mass group of older 20’s being replaced by younger and cheaper 20-somethings without the WFH baggage…. commence the whining……

    There will also be all kinds of corporate issues as a result.

    3b says:
    November 30, 2020 at 12:50 pm
    Fast: WFH changes everything Fast. I know you don’t like it , but it’s here and not going away. I know several people involved in Human Resources as well as real estate space planning at some big name companies, and they are all in various stages of planning what they will look like post Covid, and it involves WFH on a large scale basis and dumping real estate when leases are up. The cost savings are simply so much they can’t ignore it. As well they are all doing geographically agnostic hiring for open positions. The days of schleping back and forth on trains and buses for many people will be a thing of the past. NYC will have to become competitive, and that will occur with a decline in real estate prices and general cost of living.

  59. 3b says:

    Chicago: Perhaps. But as far as socializing, they have been buried in phones and computers since they were kids. I can tell you from experience that many when they are in the office don’t socialize anyhow. Headphones on all day, little to no socializing, don’t know how to answer a phone when it rings, and have to be reminded to take their headphones off when going into a high level meeting. I think socializing was an issue for them before WFH. However it all plays out it won’t be a return of all to the office and WFH here and there or on occasion in my opinion.

  60. Libturd says:

    3B,

    That’s how I see it as well. For those who work in the cloud, there is little reason to return to work in office. I’ve been bestowing the evidence here since 2015. Just too much corporate savings and greater productivity when the commute is eliminated. Especially so when your commute is on a decrepit train that makes you late for 10am meetings at least 10% of the time (even though you are expected to arrive in the office at 8:30am). Then there is the real estate savings, the cost of bandwidth and office technology, etc. I can see going in once a month for technology updates to phone/laptop as well as to get real facetime with the others and perhaps, in-person training. But there is truly nothing that can’t be performed from home that is currently performed in the office environment. As a matter of fact, I’ve been booted from my real estate in Union, even as I have been placed as head of a project there that requires me to interact with about 30 different machine operators. I can only imagine the productivity gains we all will benefit from me not having to go in and explain in person to each of those 30 persons what it is that we are building. A quick email and survey and then all I have to do is massage the data and build from there. Just speaking with 30 different people would kill most of an average workday.

  61. 3b says:

    Lib: I don’t understand why some people are in denial about this, well one I understand. This is the way it was going Covid sped things up. We are going into the 9th month of this and it’s working for the most part. No one or almost no one wants to the do the 1.5 to 2 hour commute each way. Plus, as I noted geographic agnostic hiring has also increased dramatically. To think companies were going to continue to pay top dollar for real estate and hiring people makes no sense. NYC priced itself out. So I hope all those people who paid 500k for a crapshack 15 or 20 miles from the city plan to stay a very long time.

  62. chicagofinance says:

    The thing is that humans are social creatures….. there is going to be a price to be paid.

  63. Fast Eddie says:

    I disagree with all of it. On the surface, working remote would appear to save a lot of money and it probably does but we’re not meant to be holed up in a room at home, isolated day after day, year after year. Stay home for everything, then. Don’t go to a movie, don’t go shopping, order everything online and sit in sweats all day long. This has got to be the most depressing and draining experience anyone could imagine. We’re not designed for this and it will go back to a sense of normalcy.

  64. 3b says:

    Fast/Chgo: It’s not the WFH, that’s the problem in my opinion. It’s the not being able to go out and do things, such as the gym, concerts, sporting events, the local pub. Work is work, whether I am at home or in the office. If people need the office as there only social out let, then they have other issues in my opinion.
    In my old GS days we were out a lot, some because we had to such as closing dinners and others clients coming in, or brokers brokers taking us out to dinner. Much of that is gone now, due to compliance issues etc.

    As well our spouses were for the most part all stay at home Moms so we could do it. It’s two incomes today and those responsibilities for child care/day care are shared.

    The people in my office with young kids are out the door at ten to 5:00 as they have to catch train or bus , get the kid/s from day care, and then all that comes with that in the evening. They don’t spend their days bs ing, it’s get in and get out. It’s a different world today, and WFH will be a big quality of life improvement when kids are back in school.

  65. 3b says:

    Chgo At least she won’t say not tonight I have a headache!!

  66. chicagofinance says:

    CEO of Whole Foods John Mackey
    https://youtu.be/zfjOh8SnfQ0?t=2299

  67. WFH WillRedGoBlue says:

    Have a political take on WFH.

    A lot of conservative commentators always like to mention that the country is right of center, which is BS. The federal representative system makes it right of center.

    North Dakota with @770k people has 2 senators and 2 senators for California with 39.5+ Million. What would the Senate’s politics look like if Bergen County at under 1Million had 2 senators.

    This is where I see all the younger types (blues) moving into exurbs and rural countryside (red) making those areas less red in the next few elections. AZ & GA going blue is just the start.

    3b says:
    November 30, 2020 at 11:11 am

    When people do return to the city it will be very different then what it was, and many will never be returning to the city, there is simply no need for it. And companies will save a fortune by eliminating or cutting back on commercial office space.

  68. BoomerRemover says:

    How about that brand new shiny LG building in Englewood Cliffs they’ve fought and planned years for, eh? Employees haven’t even moved in yet.

    They gave up their lease further up on Sylvan to splash out on this LEED thing at such an inopportune time. Tsk. Tsk.

  69. leftwing says:

    Lib, hitting the oneliners this morning, lol.

    NJbuyer…where to start….no doubt you support pumps as your thesis relies on a conclusion made today based on your forecast of facts to be determined five years from now…pure pumpkinitis…

    No one can predict accurately when and in which direction the housing market breaks from long term trajectories…anyone trying to time the same using their highly illiquid primary asset and shelter is a fool.

    We can look at ‘propensity of evidence’ however for some direction to try to divine if we are outside those norms for those making decisions on the margin….

    Buyers purchase on monthly payment, obviously a function of price, rates, and income. Let’s solve that equation for price.

    Rates literally can’t provide any further boost to prices, there is little room for them to decline meaningfully further. That means, best case, rates have a neutral impact on prices. Odds on bet though is that rates increase, putting downward pressure on homebuyers’ purchasing power.

    Personal income is where I think the rubber meets the road. If rates are constant or rising individuals’ incomes must at least rise commensurately to keep home prices increasing. I think this area is the greatest exposure. So much discussion has occurred around corporations keeping all the real estate now revealed as ‘unnecessary’. What about all the ‘unnecessary’ employees? Does anyone here really believe that as dozens of midtown office floors empty out the companies are going to keep those employees? At the same compensation? WFH is exposing who is really productive and who is not. Middle managers, bloated cost centers, the less successful end of salespeople are all at risk. That is a pretty broad swath of local mid-tier homeowners.

    So…looks to me like we have no support and most likely headwinds from rates, and the potential for a major shift in personal income with negative repercussions for housing. More compensation will go to the more productive employees and fewer people (ie, potential homebuyers) will be as well compensated, or even employed, as they are today. Likely, aggregate personal income will increase but that fat middle – especially the two income household needing two incomes – is seriously at risk.

    FWIW

  70. Very Stable Genius says:

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  71. Fast Eddie says:

    Speaking of commercial RE: I visited American Dream about a month ago and was not impressed at all. For a decade of waiting and the hype, I expected something more than a dead-looking mall and whatever those anchor attractions are supposed to be. That place is a colossal waste.

  72. BoomerRemover says:

    I skied last year, in August which was kind of a trip. I heard the planet weep as two dozen jet sized AC’s wailed at max power to keep my powder crunchy and at 28F. The mall’s proportions make it an odd place to be. You can see the other side of the hall, or you can see the store signage, but it takes you a good minute to walk just across the hall. It’s absolutely colossal!

  73. Fast Eddie says:

    I heard the planet weep as two dozen jet sized AC’s wailed at max power to keep my powder crunchy and at 28F.

    I figured that massive noise was the cooling system. What a boondoggle!

  74. Fast Eddie says:

    …and received his first full presidential daily briefing.

    O’Biden is sitting at the table and they’re talking about him without he even realizing it because he’s nodding out. “What are we going to do with Pop?” as Pop is sitting there, oblivious to his surroundings.

  75. leftwing says:

    https://nypost.com/2020/11/30/kazakhstani-bodybuilder-marries-sex-doll-after-whirlwind-romance/

    Simplest divorce ever.

    “Plus, as I noted geographic agnostic hiring has also increased dramatically. To think companies were going to continue to pay top dollar for real estate and hiring people makes no sense.”

    If you can perform your job nearly entirely WFH you are at risk. There will always be someone out there willing to do it cheaper than at your NY metro comp. Just ask our resident financial IT guys. Bangor or Bangalore. Doesn’t matter.

    “Stay home for everything, then. Don’t go to a movie, don’t go shopping, order everything online and sit in sweats all day long.”

    Sounds like many households pre-Covid….lol.

  76. Fast Eddie says:

    I guess that bodybuilder’s wife won’t get skin cancer from too much sun but she might melt. Oh well, pros and cons. I guess she doesn’t say much, either. No nagging though and no headache excuses. I think this guy has it right!

  77. 3b says:

    Left wing: Of course WFH will impact NYC based employees. Perhaps some that might have gone overseas will go to say Kansas City instead. Time will tell. I have a few more years and I am done, with full time employment so I am just calling things as I see them after years on Wall Street. But to those who are overpaying more NYC area real estate with a couple of young kids and well into their 40s I would be concerned how this all plays out. Simply discounting WFH and believing it’s all going back to pre Covid ways is in my opinion foolish.

  78. Walking says:

    Libturd, make sure you clean up down there. Many urologists are female now, wish I could have left a better impression.

  79. Libturd says:

    Not the one I’m going to, though I wouldn’t mind it. I’m pretty clean anyway. I often shower twice a day. And no, neither are golden.

  80. 3b says:

    Who does not clean up down there every day?

  81. Walking says:

    3b- you shave it down daily? Hey if I get a free pass bfrom the wife to have my privates handled, I want to look like a star. Maybe do some stretch exercises. Not that it mattered found out latter she was not into men.

  82. ExEssex says:

    Fueled by low interest rates and a historic housing shortage, California’s median home price in September reached $712,430, closing out four straight months of record highs.

    The state’s housing market briefly cooled in the early months in the coronavirus pandemic, but by June, they were fully on the rebound, with the median sales price reaching $626,200, the highest ever at the time, according to a report from the California Department of Finance. For the next three months, as mortgage rates stayed below 3 percent and many buyers looked to upgrade to larger homes, that number would continue to climb. In August, it exceeded $700,000 for the first time in history.

    “A lot of people think the pandemic equals the market is suffering, but that’s just not the case,” said Ryan Lundquist, an appraiser based in Sacramento. “It’s the perfect storm of low rates, a housing shortage that we already had and is getting worse, plus heightened demand.”

  83. ExEssex says:

    w York (CNN Business)President Donald Trump repeatedly warned Americans that if they failed to reelect him, the stock market would implode. In reality, the opposite happened.

    Between August and October alone, Trump sent six tweets saying markets would “crash” if Joe Biden were elected, using a word presidents typically avoid.
    “The Dow Jones Industrial just closed above 29,000! You are so lucky to have me as your President,” Trump wrote on September 2. “With Joe Hiden’ it would crash.”
    Yet no post-election meltdown emerged. If anything, markets melted up as nightmare election scenarios were avoided and investors celebrated coronavirus vaccine breakthroughs from Pfizer and Moderna.
    The S&P 500 notched its best election week rally since 1932. And despite a sharp pullback Monday, the Dow soared nearly 12% in November, its best month since January 1987. The S&P 500 and Nasdaq enjoyed their best month since April.

  84. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You could have saw this coming from a mile away. I did. Said exactly when it would happen like 7 years out. Go ahead and think that’s just some lucky call.

    Honestly, just imagine if this pandemic had never hit. How on fire would this economy be? A damn global pandemic couldn’t hold it back for long…

    Roaring 20’s 2.0

    “A lot of people think the pandemic equals the market is suffering, but that’s just not the case,” said Ryan Lundquist, an appraiser based in Sacramento. “It’s the perfect storm of low rates, a housing shortage that we already had and is getting worse, plus heightened demand.”

  85. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3b,

    NYC is the economic heart of the nation.

    Human beings are social creatures.

    Creativity is the key to the future work place.

    Human beings are more creative face to face as opposed through a screen..thousands of years of evolution says so. A screen can’t replace the environment that triggers all our natural senses. Aka you are at a natural disadvantage working through a screen in comparison to someone that is not.

  86. 3b says:

    Pumps: You are merely giving your opinion based on you don’t like WFH, as to why we already know. You are a teacher, do you really think you have any sort of leg to stand on since you have absolutely zero personal experience in corporate America? The answer to that is a resounding no. WFH is here, and it changes everything. Your howling at the moon will not change it.

  87. 3b says:

    Walking I was not thinking of shaving , but rather keeping the other region clean.

  88. 3b says:

    Essex: This won’t end well for CA, and a few other areas where prices are detached from reality.

  89. BRT says:

    The economic heart of the country is begging for a bailout.

  90. joyce says:

    another bailout

  91. BRT says:

    Now that Trumps out of office, I guess it’s ok to start studying HCQ combinations again.


    Rutgers is leading a clinical trial assessing the combination of nitazoxanide, ribavirin and hydroxychloroquine to treat people 21 or older who are infected with SARS-CoV-2 and are asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic. The trial is being conducted with Synavir Corporation, a global health company that works with academia, industry and government to develop combination treatments for new viral infections.

    The trial — called Triple Combination Antiviral Coronavirus Therapy (TriACT) — seeks to determine whether treating people who test positive for coronavirus but who do not have symptoms or have mild symptoms with this combination will reduce the amount of virus and their chances of getting sick, according to information provided by Rutgers on Nov. 30.

    “Medications for outpatients with COVID-19 that shorten the duration of the illness, prevent the need for hospitalization and, perhaps most importantly, prevent spread of the disease to others are a critical need that are currently missing in therapeutics,” principal investigator Jeffrey Carson, MD, a Provost at Rutgers Biomedical and Health Sciences and a Distinguished Professor of Medicine at Rutgers Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, said in the statement.

    The trial will assess the rate of decline in viral load in 70 people over 10 days and compare the proportion of participants who are asymptomatic and symptomatic at 10 days versus the time of onset; the frequency of the development of fever and other symptoms of COVID-19 in those who were asymptomatic at enrollment; the progression in severity of COVID-19 symptoms, including hospitalization and length of stay, admission to an intensive care unit and the number of days in the unit, and death of any cause; the severity of disease in participants who develop symptoms of COVID-19; and the side effects of the therapy compared to a placebo.

    It also seeks to determine whether the baseline viral load predicts response to therapy and new COVID-19 infection in household members.

    “To successfully treat life-threatening RNA viruses such as SARS-CoV-2, we believe that antiviral medicines must act on multiple, sequential points in the viral replication life cycle,“ Gregory T. Went, co-founder at Synavir, said in the statement. “We are pleased to collaborate with Dr. Carson’s team to investigate this approach to treatment of COVID-19 and potentially help improve outcomes for newly diagnosed patients.”

    The researchers are seeking referrals from physicians of outpatients with a SARS-CoV-2 positive test within seven days. To be eligible, patients must have been diagnosed within the previous six days, preferably within the last two days.

  92. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3b,

    Just explain this to me…

    If you never leave your house, and only speak to people through a screen; what is the purpose of living? This is why you are wrong. We were never built for that. Some, yes, but majority, no…

  93. The Great Pumpkin says:

    If you think WFH is cool, then why go on vacation. Just use the google street view and go sight seeing…rest my case. Now apply this to a business or economy.

  94. The Great Pumpkin says:

    And why not? They have been forced to shut down. Just like Disney get hurt by lack of tourism, so does nyc. It will come back, in the meantime, keep that heart pumping for the sake of the rest of the body.

    BRT says:
    November 30, 2020 at 8:27 pm
    The economic heart of the country is begging for a bailout

  95. Libturd says:

    Post 100. Suck it!

  96. Libturd says:

    I’m curious. Are these bailouts soc1alism? All I know is that my taxes have gone straight up under Trump as my friends have mostly dropped slightly. Yet they all got the soc1al payments, regardless of need. I didn’t! Seems like a perfect example of redistribution, no?

    With that said, let all the small businesses fail. My company is essential. Fukc everyone else. They can all get what trickles down (my leg). I should at least qualify for Oberscharführer among the patriots in the Republican party. No?

  97. ExEssex says:

    ^^^somebody’s been drinking his winnings^^^

  98. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Lib start a business, start taking advantage of your smarts and the tax code. Let your smarts and capital do the work for you. Play the hand they give you. If you can’t beat them, join them.

  99. BRT says:

    When my district had to go virtual in Sept, I took my kids to the beach after school. When we had an emergency virtual day a few weeks back as a precaution, I took them to six flags safari. WFH opens up a lot of time to do things…especially with a boss not micromanaging your time.

  100. The Great Pumpkin says:

    A Keynesian is exactly what the doctor ordered. Let’s go!! While we still have population growth, let’s take risks and do great things!

    “If Joe Biden is try­ing to dis­tin­guish his emerg­ing Ad­min­is­tra­tion from Barack Oba­ma’s, he hasn’t suc­ceeded in the choice of eco­nomic ad­vis­ers he rolled out Mon­day. They’re Obama vet­er­ans who be­lieve in more spend­ing, more reg­u­la­tion, higher taxes, and eas­ier money. Let’s hope the re­sult is bet­ter than what be­came known as “sec­u­lar stag­na­tion” dur­ing the Obama years.

    Janet Yellen, the Trea­sury nom­i­nee, is an econ­omist with a dis­tin­guished po­lit­i­cal re­sume. She’s a Key­ne­sian from the James To­bin school who be­lieves in spend­ing as fis­cal stim­u­lus and low in­ter­est rates. As Fed­eral Re­serve Chair in Mr. Oba­ma’s sec­ond term, she was slow to raise in­ter­est rates and re­duce the Fed’s bond pur­chases. She’ll likely fa­vor a 2009-style pol­icy mix next year with a spend­ing blowout while urg­ing the Fed to mon­e­tize it.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/return-of-the-obama-economists-11606778301?st=3ik3pw7t1tk7ptd&reflink=article_copyURL_share

  101. Libturd says:

    And wasting his.

  102. ExEssex says:

    WFH exposes just how useless the army of school admins are.

  103. leftwing says:

    10:38 lol

  104. leftwing says:

    So in the category of “Why Even Try To Hide Our Bias Anymore”….

    The ‘front page’ of the NYT digital has the 36 point, bold headline of “Vaccines are Coming, But First, a Long, Dark Winter”

    Nice of Joe to allow them to use one of his oft repeated campaign slogans.

    First text line?

    “With vaccines and a new administration in the U.S., the pandemic will be tamed.”

    Oh really?

    Truly unbelievable…

    The running joke after the election was the virus would disappear on Inauguration Day. The Grey Bitch isn’t even waiting that long. Overnight we’ve gone from an out of control deadly epidemic to something the new administration WILL tame.

    And the Left and Establishment characters wonder why Fox gets so much traction…..

  105. Juice Box says:

    Moderna’s COVID vaccine scheduled for FDA review on Dec. 17. Nothing like waiting around during a pandemic to have a meeting. How many people in nursing homes could they vaccinate in two weeks? Seems to me they could cut the Covid-19 death rate significantly during this next wave if they start now in the nursing homes.

    1.4 million people in nursing homes around the USA. They could have everyone of them vaccinated in a week or two.

  106. Fabius Maximus says:

    Retail is going to be in bad shape. Went to the Mall over the weekend and it was quiet. Small lines outside a few shops, for the capacity limits. Sales numbers are going to be way down.

    Ordered some laptops online. They were delivered in the rain yesterday. Driver did not ring the bell, so when I found them, they were soaked and destroyed.

    Its going to be a long winter.

  107. 30 year realtor says:

    Leftwing,
    How should unbiased reporting frame the situation. Not sure what you are after. Clearly the pandemic isn’t over. By inauguration we likely will be looking at 5000 +/- deaths per day. If vaccines are what they are as reported to be, the pandemic could ease in the last quarter of 2021. And even then experts say we will still be wearing masks.

  108. Phoenix says:

    “Seems to me they could cut the Covid-19 death rate significantly during this next wave if they start now in the nursing homes.”

    Seniors don’t want it. They think it’s part of the “death panels.”

  109. Phoenix says:

    “Not that it mattered found out latter she was not into men.”
    Not to me personally but it seems it happens quite often. Happened to one of the VIP’s where I work.
    He is fine though. She looks like Grimace from Mickey D’s now.

  110. Phoenix says:

    Fab,
    Mac’s with the M1’s are getting good reviews.
    I’m considering switch hitting and going all Mac in 2021.

    Google is becoming a nightmare. It was always bad, but at least you got some of the “trickle down” before. Now they take your data but give you nothing in return. They can’t even roll out RCS correctly making all emails unencrypted for Verizon employees to read. Not to mention the fact the data amount is so limited any video you send is totally degraded to the receiver.

  111. Phoenix says:

    “With vaccines and a new administration in the U.S., the pandemic will be tamed.”

    “Oh really?

    Truly unbelievable…”

    Operation “Warp Speed.” Really, what operation? Are they supposed to be “heroes” as well? Your “JOB” as a govt is to protect citizens, not stroke yourself off to your image in the mirror.
    And Shuffle Biden-is just going to let the FDA do their thing and sign some papers. That’s all.
    Better hope the stuff is truly safe and effective cause just like in the kids game “ready or not, here it comes.”

    And granny should be the first to get it, or take away her Medicare. This is all about saving the boomers, its a huge expense, and if they are going to share in the spoils they should be paying the piper.
    Of course they never paid the piper as far as taxes which is why there are mounting deficits all over the country..

  112. Phoenix says:

    A bit on those types. I’ve set it before but someone else wrote a piece on it.

    http://dailym.ai/3g6HoeB

  113. Juice Box says:

    We are a month away from mass layoffs again especially retail once the holiday season is over, foot traffic which today is counted by companies like Sensormatic automatic traffic cameras said foot traffic is way way down 52% on Black Friday.

    I see lots and lots of delivery drivers running their own personal vehicles into the ground to make chicken scratch dropping of packages. It’s never the same driver too. Seems they send you all over. If you do this for UPS they pay not by the stop but by the hour approx. $28. I now see people running their cars into the ground driving 100 plus miles a day to deliver packages part time with no benefits.

  114. 3b says:

    Juice: Roaring 2020,s!!

  115. Phoenix says:

    JB,
    Agreed.
    And people are concerned about the earlier “marches.”

    Just wait to see what the “marches” look like when Wall Street takes the biggest dump in American history.

  116. Juice Box says:

    re: Pravda – Yes NYT again carrying water.

    I find it a stretch for new Biden Administration to factually be able to claim anything about taming the pandemic. If all goes well with the FDA on Dec 10th and Dec 17th millions of vaccine doses will start going out. They have already positioned quantities of the vaccine around the country. When Biden takes office 50 days from now they could be will on the way to have millions vaccinated here.

  117. Fast Eddie says:

    How fluffy is the national media. The headline stories regarding the incoming cheats has been stories such as Carmella Harris’ Thanksgiving recipes and the old f.uck and his pets. Isn’t it sweet? Oh, and one of O’Biden’s main tasks in the first 100 days is to battle inequality. Anyone care to fathom what that means?

  118. BRT says:

    Leftwing,
    How should unbiased reporting frame the situation. Not sure what you are after. Clearly the pandemic isn’t over. By inauguration we likely will be looking at 5000 +/- deaths per day. If vaccines are what they are as reported to be, the pandemic could ease in the last quarter of 2021. And even then experts say we will still be wearing masks.


    The regions of the country now among those hit hardest by the virus — Midwestern and Mountain States and rural counties, including in the Dakotas, Iowa, Nebraska and Wyoming — are the ones that voted heavily for Mr. Trump in the recent election.

    I would say by actually looking at the numbers instead of framing a narrative that fits your world view. Wyoming is about to cut their November peak cases in half by next week and has a moving death average of 1.84 people per day. North/South Dakota is also about to cut their active cases in half by next week. Iowa has already slashed their peak in half. The times article was pure partisan garbage.

  119. Very Stable Genius says:

    I bet Biden will be a two-term President.

    Dow jumps more than 300 points to start December, S&P 500 and Nasdaq hit record highs
    PUBLISHED MON, NOV 30 20206:00 PM ESTUPDATED 8 MIN AGO
    Fred Imbert

  120. 30 year realtor says:

    BRT,

    The statement you highlighted is true. The projection you cited has not occurred. Sounds as though you want to frame a narrative.

    The pandemic waxes and wanes. The numbers are going down because people in those states are heading common sense measures.

  121. leftwing says:

    The Wall Street Journal. Cities Dealt a Blow as Return to Office Fades https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-new-setback-for-big-cities-as-return-to-the-office-fades-11606818601

  122. EXEsSEx says:

    o’BiDen sToLe tHe eLeCtiOn !

    wE wErE sUpPoSed tO mAgA mOrE.

  123. Phoenix says:

    Left,
    Don’t post stuff like that, Pumpy does not like it.

  124. leftwing says:

    “How should unbiased reporting frame the situation.”

    Agree with your entire post 30Y. You don’t once mention the incoming Admin and focus on the vaccine.

    Unbiased reporting? Drop the purely political gratuity to the new Admin.

    As we stand here today the assertion that a new Admin will help tame the pandemic is unknowable. One, it is a counterfactual. More importantly, even Biden has no idea what he will be doing in that regard yet.

    If the NYT were to eliminate their lead article giving forward credit today to the new Admin for something that hasn’t even happened yet under a headline that is a campaign slogan of the new Admin would be a good first step to an ‘unbiased framing’ of the situation.

  125. Fast Eddie says:

    And President Donald Trump, the one person most capable of altering the trajectory between now and spring, seems unwilling to help his successor do what must be done to save the lives of tens of thousands of Americans.

    LOL! Right. Go f.uck yourselves, you ph0ny, pretentious motherf.uck3rs.

  126. Fast Eddie says:

    President-elect Joe Biden has assembled excellent advisers and a sensible plan for tackling the pandemic…

    A sensible plan. Translation: the media will write the story that makes us look good.

  127. Juice Box says:

    re: common sense? What common sense has changed in New Jersey? We have had more deaths in NJ since the late Summer than all of Iowa all year. Stats from Iowa 2,472 deaths total. This a state with 1/3 rd New Jersey’s population.

    We have had 16,993 deaths in NJ? Why is out death rate that much higher? Where is the common sense?

  128. Phoenix says:

    Juice,
    1. Most densely populated State in the nation.
    2. Arrogant enough to get the job done.

  129. Juice Box says:

    So CDC votes today on who get’s the jab first.

    All it takes to stop 50% of the Covid deaths is to jab everyone 80+ years old with the vaccine. Add in everyone 70-79 for good measure and deaths drop 75%, Keep going down below age 65 and it gets down to a handful of deaths a year.

    In New Jersey 16% of the population is 65+. That is 1.4 million inoculations in one month.

    Doable, you betcha. Let’s see how the politics plays out on this one.

  130. Chicago says:

    Now that the social stigma may be permanently gone, will you ever fly again without a mask? I might even use it on public transportation in the winter. If I can get away with it.

    30 year realtor says:
    December 1, 2020 at 8:32 am
    Leftwing,
    How should unbiased reporting frame the situation. Not sure what you are after. Clearly the pandemic isn’t over. By inauguration we likely will be looking at 5000 +/- deaths per day. If vaccines are what they are as reported to be, the pandemic could ease in the last quarter of 2021. And even then experts say we will still be wearing masks

  131. BRT says:

    30, I might have chosen my words poorly. I didn’t mean to imply you were projecting that argument. The author and many others clearly are though.

  132. Phoenix says:

    Boomers will insist that screen touchers get it first.

  133. BRT says:

    Juice,
    1. Most densely populated State in the nation.
    2. Arrogant enough to get the job done.

    3. I would also add, prime flu season in Jan/Feb/March to spread (unlike Southern states).
    4. Boneheaded policies WRT nursing homes

  134. Libturd says:

    JUICE/3B,

    Roaring 20s 2.0. For the wealthy, as usual. Why not invest in the inauguration? Individuals and corporations can purchase favor up to $1,000,000 per.

    Today’s inauguration has been brought to you by, George Soros, Nabisco, Tesla and Nate’s Pancake in a can.

    ——–

    The latest available government data, via the Federal Reserve from 2016, shows that even though almost half of all households owned shares either directly or indirectly, the richest 10 percent of households controlled 84 percent of the total value of these stocks in 2016.

  135. ExEssex says:

    Trump and his $170m grift…. oh leGaL dEfEnSe fUnD….

  136. Juice Box says:

    re: “the pandemic could ease in the last quarter of 2021.

    The pandemic could ease in a month. Get Grandpa and Grandma to the minute clinic for a jab ASAP. Don’t take any nonsense about they need to schedule a visit with their doctor to see if it’s right for them or they want to wait to see if the vaccine has side effects.

    It’s either take the needle now or we send you to the Country Arbor Crest Haven Meadows Independent Gardens Sunrise Atrium Signature Senior living center to wait out your days.

    The rest of us need to get back to the office already!

  137. Libturd says:

    I plan to rob a bank. With my mask on, no one will be able to identify me!

  138. Chicago says:

    If you don’t understand the mechanisms of the current US stock market, you would do well to conceal your ignorance.

    Very Stable Genius says:
    December 1, 2020 at 9:45 am
    I bet Biden will be a two-term President.

    Dow jumps more than 300 points to start December, S&P 500 and Nasdaq hit record highs
    PUBLISHED MON, NOV 30 20206:00 PM ESTUPDATED 8 MIN AGO
    Fred Imbert

  139. Chicago says:

    I nominate Biden for a Nobel Piece Prize for his future success and resolving the pandemic.

    leftwing says:
    December 1, 2020 at 10:22 am
    “How should unbiased reporting frame the situation.”

    Agree with your entire post 30Y. You don’t once mention the incoming Admin and focus on the vaccine.

    Unbiased reporting? Drop the purely political gratuity to the new Admin.

    As we stand here today the assertion that a new Admin will help tame the pandemic is unknowable. One, it is a counterfactual. More importantly, even Biden has no idea what he will be doing in that regard yet.

    If the NYT were to eliminate their lead article giving forward credit today to the new Admin for something that hasn’t even happened yet under a headline that is a campaign slogan of the new Admin would be a good first step to an ‘unbiased framing’ of the situation.

  140. BRT says:

    Lib,

    I got yelled at by a secretary for grabbing a box of tissues in the main office. She thought I was a student. I just stared at her for like 15 seconds and she was like “why are you looking at me like that?”. Asked her “why not?”. She then proceeded to lecture me about staying on the correct side of the plexiglass. A full minute went by, and she just had no idea who I was. I just said “sorry” and walked out. This is someone I work with and say hi to everyday.

  141. 3b says:

    Lib: last time I checked, 56 percent of employers offer a 401k and of that number around 50 percent offer no match. And I am sure there are a lot of people who don’t even contribute to their 401ks. I guess they plan to eat their houses.

  142. 3b says:

    Chgo@ 10:57 Amen!!

  143. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Said for years that Wayne was one of the best values in north jersey. They adjusted the projection upwards again for the 1 year outlook from 6% to 8%.

    https://www.zillow.com/wayne-nj/home-values/

  144. Very Stable Genius says:

    with Trump.
    Rudolph W. Giuliani, President Trump’s lawyer, has been at the forefront of promoting the president’s baseless claims of election irregularities.

    Rudolph W. Giuliani, President Trump’s lawyer, has been at the forefront of promoting the president’s baseless claims of election irregularities.Credit…Erin Schaff/The New York Times

    Rudolph W. Giuliani, President Trump’s lawyer who has led the most extensive efforts to damage his client’s political rivals and undermine the election results, discussed with the president as recently as last week the possibility of receiving a pre-emptive pardon before Mr. Trump leaves office, according to two people told of the discussion.

  145. Very Stable Genius says:

    Trump said the stock market would crash if Biden won.

    The Dow just had its best month since 1987.

    By Matt Egan, CNN Business
    Updated 8:32 PM EST, Mon November 30, 2020

    Chicago says:
    December 1, 2020 at 10:57 am
    If you don’t understand the mechanisms of the current US stock market, you would do well to conceal your ignorance.

    Very Stable Genius says:
    December 1, 2020 at 9:45 am
    I bet Biden will be a two-term President.

    Dow jumps more than 300 points to start December, S&P 500 and Nasdaq hit record highs
    PUBLISHED MON, NOV 30 20206:00 PM ESTUPDATED 8 MIN AGO
    Fred Imbert

  146. Juice Box says:

    As thought the Wuhan Wheeze was here earlier.

    “Scientists at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found evidence of infection in 106 of 7,389 blood donations collected by the American Red Cross from residents in nine states across the U.S., according to the study published online in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases.”

    The scientists based their study on blood samples that the American Red Cross collected between Dec. 13 and Jan. 17 and later sent to the CDC for testing to see if any had antibodies to the new coronavirus, which is named SARS-CoV-2.

    “SARS-CoV-2 infections may have been present in the U.S. in December 2019, earlier than previously recognized,” the authors wrote.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-likely-in-u-s-in-mid-december-2019-cdc-scientists-report-11606782449

  147. Juice Box says:

    Start lining up the Silent and Boomer Generations…

    “FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn was summoned to the White House on Tuesday to be questioned on why approval was not moving more quickly.

    “Let me be clear – our career scientists have to make the decision and they will take the time that’s needed to make the right call on this important decision,” Mr Hahn said in a statement.

    Health Secretary Alex Azar said on Monday that both drugs will be ready to ship within 24 hours of the FDA’s approval.

    “So, we could be seeing both of these vaccines out and getting into people’s arms before Christmas,” he told CBS.

    According to notes from Mr Pence’s conference call on Monday, Pfizer plans to have 6.4 million doses ready for delivery by 19 December. Because two shots are required per person, that is enough for three million people, out of a total US population of 330 million.

    By the following week, both Pfizer and Moderna are expected to have produced enough vaccines for another 10 million people. By the end of the month, both companies are anticipated to have produced enough vaccine for 30 million people”

  148. D-FENS says:

    Didn’t bet and didn’t give you any booze. Would have never made it to you before I guzzled it. Plus…as we all know Trump won.

    Libturd says:
    November 30, 2020 at 10:07 am
    In other news, don’t turn 50. Heading to the urologist this week (don’t ask) and have my physical tomorrow. Getting the butt plunge later in December.

    BTW, D-Fense paid off on his election bet. Someone should let the president know. Seriously, he didn’t have to, as he was generous towards my family during D’s medical crisis and I gave him the out. But he hand delivered the bourbon like a true gentleman

  149. Juice Box says:

    Giuliani is just lining his pockets like the any good shyster would do. Trump had him lead a cybersecurity panel back when he was sniffing around for work in the administration as a consolation prize. It was funny at the time when he was picked and is funny now he leads this steal the vote nonsense.

    He will bill Trump for a few million all said and done then will have to sue to get paid.

  150. Libturd says:

    Then who is Dave? I’m confused. Truth is the enemy?

    Sadly, I kind of see you all as the same person. :P

  151. BRT says:

    As thought the Wuhan Wheeze was here earlier.

    Not true, I believe it waited at least 30 minutes until Bill De Blasio was done with his last gym visit.

  152. Bystander says:

    Blumpy’s random hand-puppet returns when the poor boy needs ego stroke. So sad.

  153. Bystander says:

    Ed,

    hhm, sounds like someone we know. Perhaps the guy with biggest brain.

    pre·ten·tious
    /prəˈten(t)SHəs/

    attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed.

  154. Fast Eddie says:

    Bystander,

    hhm, sounds like someone we know.

    Academia as a whole, the liberal media and Hollywood… these groups fit that definition exactly.

  155. ExEssex says:

    1:19 Trump’s never “won” anything in his life.
    Not even the popular vote.

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  157. ExEssex says:

    Waiting for lunch. Five Guys….
    *still the best burger

  158. Hold my beer says:

    AG Barr said there’s no evidence of enough fraud to overturn election results. How soon before he gets fired or resigns?

  159. Hold my beer says:

    Fast Eddie

    Here’s one way for him to battle inequality

    Dallas mayor wants people of color to get vaccine along with first responders.

    https://www.wfaa.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/mayor-johnson-letter-to-cdc-advisory-committee-vaccine-distribution-to-people-of-color/287-ee7dfbd0-59ac-46f3-8e4f-c21c825c2430

  160. Hold my beer says:

    Imagine the outrage a white mayor wanted whites to get it first for economic reasons.

    I think the vaccine should be distributed to first responders and medical people first, then cancer patients/survivors and elderly and other high risk. The ones most at risk first. Regardless of race. If they decline goes to waiting list of low risk people

  161. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Is New York City ‘dead forever’? On the contrary, former Goldman Sachs boss Lloyd Blankfein says we’ll be feeling like ‘supermen’ next year

    https://apple.news/A5ZBBw9_yQoy-5o7PBTRM3Q

  162. Juice Box says:

    re: inequality? More like comorbidities and age.
    Covid deaths by race vary from state to state. NJ for example 54% deaths are white people and they make up 55% of the population.

  163. Libturd says:

    Here is a good read for the Trump believers.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/witness-trump-ally-sidney-powells-171916171.html

    The cyber security expert who provided the affidavit that claimed there were more votes than voters in Edison County Michigan doesn’t realize that there is no Edison County Michigan.

    Just more Trump lies, right to the very end. It really is a shame he wasn’t removed by his cronies in the swamp.

  164. Libturd says:

    This is interesting too.

    Mr. “Masks don’t work,” has suddenly resigned as head of Trump’s Coronavirus task force. It’s really incredible what a trainwreck this administration was. Nixon is smiling from his grave.

  165. ExEssex says:

    Nixon’s smiling from Roger Stone’s back

    https://images.app.goo.gl/jffAtL8VDEZQ5Qft8

  166. Fast Eddie says:

    It’s really incredible what a trainwreck this administration was.

    Funding for black colleges, peace deals between Arab nations and Israel, lowered drug prices, delivered all the ventilators, PPE, hospital beds needed by every state, escaped the Paris agreement, Iran under pressure, Soleimani killed, massive regulatory reform reducing costs to businesses, middle class tax cuts, enterprise zones, reform of the FBI, CIA, NSA and DOJ, justice reform, drug prices down, court appointments, NATO membership paying up, Nafta renegotiated, Caliphate dead, China confronted, wall is built, manufacturing back, energy independence, DOW up over 10,000 points, Trump did about twice Obama’s growth rate, last year wages for the poorest outpaced the richest, rising 4 and a half percent… I good go on and on but you had no wars, not a peep from a terrorist and Operation Warp Speed is his crown jewel.

    A real train wreck. This, coming from a man unwilling to hold a job.

  167. Libturd says:

    Keep believing.

    In four years, it will be interesting to see if a single one of these supposed accomplishments actually provide any benefit to anyone besides religious yahoos.

  168. Fast Eddie says:

    In four years, it will be interesting to see if a single one of these supposed accomplishments actually provide any benefit…

    It took a few hours of electing Trump before Oblammy’s legacy was obliterated.

  169. Libturd says:

    Was it obliterated?

    Shall I make a list of so-called accomplishments. Bin Laden, clean coal, ACA, etc.

  170. ExEssex says:

    Eddie haaaaates Obama.
    Film at Eleven. Yawn.

  171. ExEssex says:

    What’s really going to be funny is when the grifter and chief starts to look for ways to outwit the SDNY.

  172. Fast Eddie says:

    Oblammy shut down a Bush administration project aimed at demonstrating “clean coal” technology. It was the $1.7 billion FutureGen 2.0 project.

    Trump got Soleimani, al-Baghdadi and two other terrorist king pins.

    Oblammy care was a disaster. My insurance cost went up along with my deductible because of Oblammy care.

  173. Bystander says:

    ” not a peep from a terrorist”

    Correct, all the terrorism was stoked from inside the country. Should we list the mass shootings, racist killings, bomb plots, kidnap plots, racist rallies etc? I prefer my terrorism thousands of miles away actually.

    hhm, sounds like someone we know.

    “Academia as a whole, the liberal media and Hollywood… these groups fit that definition exactly.”

    That we can agree on.

  174. ExAessex says:

    Oh nooooooes

  175. Fast Eddie says:

    Hey Essex,

    Start defending the old f.uck you call your president. You know, the one who sleeps with China. 47 years of graft by the chief grifter.

  176. Fast Eddie says:

    Should we list the mass shootings, racist killings, bomb plots, kidnap plots, racist rallies etc?

    I’ll take, “Who is Antifa, for $1000.”

  177. 3b says:

    Pumps: If you read the article or perhaps I should say comprehend what was said, it was light hearted musings on his part. There was absolutely nothing of substance that he said. It’s amazing to me that this flew right over your head! Then again I really should not be amazed that it did.

  178. ExEssex says:

    Buh Bye Donny. Helloooooooo Sanity.

  179. BoomerRemover says:

    Fat Eddie, your man may have meant well but he could not contain himself and it started leaking through. This nearly decade long Obamba obsession it has to go, it’s not good for your blood pressure bro.

    It’s like after a certain age politics becomes p0rn for some.

  180. Bystander says:

    Alex (from beyond) : Name the movement that has killed zero people since its formation, yet used as moral equivalent to justify numerous murders by the extreme right.

  181. BoomerRemover says:

    Citibank, Englewood Cliffs, NJ.

    I am a scientist! There is no corona!!!

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1333080289137004547

  182. Hold my beer says:

    Former FDA commissioner thinks 30% or more of the US will have covid by end of December and believes only 1 in 5 covid cases are currently being diagnosed.

    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/heres-likely-catch-covid-next-114246777.html

    He’s so gloomy he should join this board.

  183. BRT says:

    Can’t blame her, we’ve watched people peddle all kinds of crap under the guise of science the past 10 years.

  184. ExEssex says:

    Colleagues of Zappos CEO Tony Hsieh fear his addiction to nitrous oxide whippets, burning candles and Grey Goose vodka could be behind explosion that led to his death – as it’s revealed he was ‘barricaded’ in a shed when blaze broke out.

  185. chicagofinance says:

    not my story
    “Rushing everywhere to get drinks, etc. I stopped at Starbucks for a coffee. $2.48–I give the attendant $2.53. He gives me back 3 cents telling me I’ve paid too much, and then proceeds to tell me he doesn’t have any pennies to give me change. You can’t make
    stories like this up.”

  186. chicagofinance says:

    Also a Nobel!

    Libturd says:
    December 1, 2020 at 5:03 pm
    Was it obliterated?

    Shall I make a list of so-called accomplishments. Bin Laden, clean coal, ACA, etc.

  187. ExEssex says:

    Trump knows he’ll never sink a fade away jumper.

  188. ExEssex says:

    Eddie this is how sh*tbag Trump will be remembered:

    “Since Election Day, Trump has focused on just two things: playing golf, and trying to claim victory in his contest against the Democratic president-elect, Joe Biden. With rare exceptions, such as the annual Thanksgiving turkey pardon, his schedule has been empty nearly every day.” The Atlantic

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