Think south on this gloomy fall day

From the Florida Insider:

South Florida’s housing market is freezing out potential buyers who can’t compete with investors

In South Florida, home prices continue to surge. The housing market trend has left several homebuyers either unable to find properties or in an all-out bidding war.

“I’ve been looking for a home for about two years, it has been a very difficult and kind of a strenuous process,” said South Florida resident Alexander Shepard.

Shepard adds despite having thousands saved and a great credit score, his lifelong dream of becoming a homeowner has become virtually impossible.

“A house might be on and off the market within three or four days, sometimes two days. So before I can even get the paperwork signed, I’m told that the house is off the market,” said Shepard.

According to Realtor.com, Miami-Dade County’s total home sales surged 142% from this time last year. On top of homes being sold in record time, realtor Brittney Woods says “many properties are also being sold well above the listing price.”

According to the October 2021 Housing Affordability Index Report by RealtyHop, Miami has officially passed Los Angeles as the second least affordable housing market in the U.S. The median household income in Miami is $39,049, while the median home price is $549,000, according to the report’s findings.

“Miami overtook L.A. as the second most expensive housing market in the nation, even though the price decreased slightly since our last report,” states the report. “A household in Miami should expect to pay $2,653 per month toward homeownership costs, or roughly 81.55% of median incomes.”

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207 Responses to Think south on this gloomy fall day

  1. grim says:

    Updated Vaccination by Age Range for NJ:
    9/7 vs 10/9

    At Least 1 Dose
    Total Pop: 9.2m
    Total 1st Doses: 6.6m – 72% of total pop (Up from 67%) – Bloomberg reporting 73%

    12-15 – 450k population – 264k dosed – 59% 1 Dose (Up from 55%)
    16-17 – 240k population – 198k dosed – 83% 1 Dose (Up from 77%)
    18-29 – 1.5m population – 992k dosed – 66% 1 Dose (Up from 62%)
    30-49 – 2.4m population – 1.9m dosed – 79% 1 Dose (Up from 75%)
    50-64 – 2m population – 1.7m dosed – 85% 1 Dose (Up from 80%)
    65-79 – 1.1m population – 1.1m dosed – 99% 1 Dose (Up from 99%)
    80+ – 415k population – 396k dosed – 95% 1 Dose (Up from 89%)

  2. grim says:

    New electric F-150 will trounce the iconic early ’00s E46 CSL M3 off the line, equip them with the same tires, and throw a few bags of cement in the bed, and the F-150 will probably take the quarter mile too.

    Believe this was the series that introduced the Laguna Seca Blue paint color, making this the best looking M3 ever produced. Sorry, but the newer models have hideous lick-em-stick-em body mod styling, all in the name of appearing “aggressive”. It’s a front bumper that has more in common with the covers of Import Tuner. The m3 become iconic because of it’s classy sleeper styling. By the way, what happened to the back seats?

    Might be high time for BMW to abandon gas in it’s high performance sedans. Look at the bright side, they can continue to play the simulated engine sounds through the interior speakers just like they do today.

  3. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Told you the other day that everyone and their mother is bashing her. All shorting her and bashing her on a regular basis. Easy buying opportunities long term. When all the lemmings are against it, you buy, when all the lemmings are buying, you sell. They are clearly pushing this into oversold territory long term. Short term, they will prob take it down some more.

    Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:
    October 10, 2021 at 12:54 am
    For those interested:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/q45uvj/f_you_aunt_cathie/

  4. The Great Pumpkin says:

    New generation took some major risks with styling, but im sure it will grow on people.

    My fav thing about an M3 is the 4 door sedan with the fat a$$. Absolutely love that look.

  5. grim says:

    New generation took some major risks with styling, but im sure it will grow on people.

    Boy racers already love it, they couldn’t have added a huge wing too? Pretty sure they would justify it by calling it a homage to the e30. At least the M5 is still classy.

    Any why is it even called M4 and not M1 or M2? Who is running the show over there.

  6. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yea, i hate wings with a passion.

    Previous generation going to be an instant classic because it’s the last with the classic bmw front end.

  7. grim says:

    Covid Deaths per 100k
    #1 – Mississippi
    #3 – Louisiana
    #4 – Alabama
    #6 – Arizona
    #9 – Florida (+1)
    #10 – Arkansas (-1)
    #11 – Georgia
    #12 – South Carolina (+2)
    #16 – Nevada (-1)
    #18 – Oklahoma (+2)
    #19 – New Mexico (-1)
    #20 – Texas (+1)
    #21 – Tennessee (+1)

  8. No One says:

    NJ covid cases per capita now above FL cases per capita.

  9. BRT says:

    No one, nobody wants to talk about Florida anymore. No mask mandates allowed in school, personal choice allowed. I wonder how many kids mask in Florida based on personal choice. Either way, their decline started literally the day they opened school without masks. Seasonality is what matters, not masks.

  10. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    Chi,
    Looks like she spent some on food also.

  11. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    In Covid hell with Occ Med. Can’t discuss too much, but one thing I believe after all of the questioning from local authorities, contact tracers, and multiple healthcare providers is that Covid is absolutely everywhere. Vaccine or not, symptomatic or not it is being spewed out all day long by tons of people that aren’t sick or even aware they have it.

    If they started testing large random samples you would find a lot more positive people. Luckily it does not destroy most who have it.

  12. Fast Eddie says:

    Sunday morning, turn on the TV and switch around… one news show is talking about Trump… turn to the other… talking about Trump. The left is a pathetic and laughable bunch. I dearly wish for defeat after setback after failure for you non-deserving group of misfits. You’re hysterical and become even more comedic among the ever-growing abuse you draw to yourselves as true Americans distance themselves from your nauseating cult. The left is creating a most entertaining brand of satire in a toddler-tantrum kind of way.

  13. joyce says:

    I’m a true American. Can’t speak for anyone else here.

  14. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    Tesla took the “cool” out of owning a Corvette.

    A four door sedan beats it in a race. Lame-O.

  15. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    Joyce,
    The “old” America, or the new one?

  16. joyce says:

    The ‘true’ one

  17. Chicago says:

    Beer: fascists

  18. Ex says:

    7:19…..so what!? It’s a pickup truck.
    Slap that sane motor in another vehicle it’ll be “fast” and maybe it’ll corner too.
    Doesn’t matter. As someone pointed out earlier speed on public roads is never a good idea. I find that the sweet spot for useable power in a street car is 275-400 horses. Anything more or less and it’s either a slug or too powerful for the streets.

  19. Ex says:

    10:53 hearing you or any QAnon apologist calling the Liberals a cult is laughable.

  20. Fabius Maximus says:

    Gary, What’s on F0x?

    The harkening back to the 50s is stupid. It was the same BS as we see today. What’s the difference between kids crouching under desks on a Duck and Cover drill when the Commies drop the bomb and todays Active Sh00ter Drills. BLM vs Civil Rights, they are still fighting the same battles. Regulating womens bodies and their finances vs, well ok, they got the credit cards.

    Things weren’t better, its just today you have the populists stroking your fears to make you think they were.

  21. Fabius Maximus says:

    Mrs Fabs F150 Hybrid would take that M3, but not on the stock tires.

    I toyed with a Ghetto M3. You take a base spec 320 and factory order the M suspension and Manual package. You then chip it to unlock all the detuning. Back then you got the N20 engine, you should be able to get the B48 today.
    You don’t get the full power of the M, but you get enough to have fun and you save 30K to use elsewhere. You can always go on Ebay to buy some badges if you need them.

    Mustangs and most muscle are great in a straight line but cant turn. I fishtailed a GT at low speed on a Left hand turn. That’s a car that needs a bag of cement in the back.

    That said RWD with an LSD is the best way to go round a corner.

  22. Hold my beer says:

    Chicago

    Look at how bad San Francisco now is and NYC is heading that way. I think the woke brigade will accelerate moderates with the skills and/or means to leave blue states for nice areas in red ones.

  23. Juice Box says:

    I love watching videos on converted classic cars.

    Bloodshed motors Zombie 222, a 1968 Ford Mustang fastback converted to 1000 HP…with dual electric motors 1.79 seconds 0-60

    https://youtu.be/q7vTCK9ywBA?t=136

  24. Nomad says:

    Pumps,

    To start, all you need is a good helmet and your tech to flush your brake fluid and check your pads. The guys at the track will explain why. Maybe $800 or so. If you get serious, a roll cage and a set of Sabelts for the front seats. $5-7k best guess and based on your bragging, this better be chump change to you.

    JC, 944 turbo or turboS?

    968 Turbo S very rare, but an incredible machine.

    https://carbuzz.com/news/rare-porsche-968-turbo-s-one-of-only-14-in-the-world

    This one was supposed to fetch $1 -$1.25 MM
    https://www.secret-classics.com/en/porsche-968-turbo-s/

    Many years ago I was at a track day. Handfull of 993TT (the good old air cooled days). Guy shows up with a 962, literally passed the 993s as if they were parked. Power, acceleration and HP/weight ratios were from a different planet.

  25. 3b says:

    Fab: Or what’s new on CNN, the Woke brigade are just as bad. as the populists. Every other day they find a new outrage.

  26. Juice Box says:

    Nomad – One with the wider tires…probably S, don’t really remember….

  27. Fabius Maximus says:

    This, this, this and more this!

    https://www.upworthy.com/poverty-line-congress
    “Believe me, I’ve pulled myself up by the bootstraps so many damn times that I’ve ripped them off.”

  28. Fabius Maximus says:

    3b, I have basic cable so I dont get CNN, MSNBC, Fox is out there but pass.

    I have an issue with Woke, just like Snowflake, the right have jumped on it as an attack against everything they don’t like. Just like they want the 50s back I put up the Dukes of Hazzard from my childhood. I had no idea the symbolisim of that flag (and the horn). It was cool guys jumping cars over bridges.

    I get the arguement that its just a representation of “Southern Culture”, it may be, but you got to let that go. Just like the OK sign, when the right morphed it to a White Power sign, you have to give it up.

    These days I want to buy one of those cars and use lighter fluid to burn the flag of the top and repaint it just plain orange and the words “Time to Move on!”

    A lot of what people call Woke, is stuff people should have given up years ago.

  29. Fabius Maximus says:

    Here’s one for Chi and his attacks on the Hollywood “Limousine Liberals”!

    https://twitter.com/SteveSchmidtSES/status/1447288937362313219/photo/1

    You make good in life, you don’t forget your roots and unlike Clarence Thomas and others, you don’t kick the ladder out for those following you!

  30. Fabius Maximus says:

    We used to have a great poster in here Lisoosh, she was able to articulate he intricate arguements and put it in such simple terms. Just like this guy.

    https://twitter.com/Lesdoggg/status/1447165895197945863

  31. BRT says:

    Clooney is full of crap. He was the son of a TV man who set him up early in life into the business. I wouldn’t question his work ethic and I think he’s a fine actor. But out of touch he most certainly is. He also is full of crap when he claimed he had no idea Harvey Weinstein was terrorizing all those women.

    A better example of a liberal elite who’s out of touch are people like Leonardo DiCaprio. Again, fine actor, one of the best, and obviously has a great work ethic. But the kid’s been bringing in the dough since he was 14 and he flies around in private jets lecturing people about climate change.

  32. Fabius Maximus says:

    GTG Road Trip. I have to go to Riverdale midweek, so I may swing by.

    https://jalopnik.com/this-kia-dealer-has-the-largest-number-of-exotic-cars-i-1847821511

  33. Juice Box says:

    So SouthWest Airline Pilots stage a sickout over Covid vaccine mandate?

    Could be a bad sign of what’s to come…Again it’s not about the vaccine per say but collective bargaining rights etc.

  34. Ex says:

    Caltrans expects to break ground early next year for an $87-million wildlife crossing on the 101 Freeway in Agoura Hills that experts say is critical to help save an isolated population of mountain lions in the region from extinction.

    The bridge at Liberty Canyon, which has been a dream of conservationists for years, will allow mountain lions and other species to cross safely over a busy eight-lane stretch of the freeway used by an estimated 300,000 vehicles a day, officials said.

  35. Juice Box says:

    Musk follows through on his threats to California. Sold all his Hollywood mansions, now has moved his headquarters to Texas too. He cannot pickup and move their Fremont California plant so easily, will take a while as they spin up production elsewhere in Texas and a rumored car factory to be built somewhere east. But I hope the politicians learned a lesson here, whether it be the ones from California or NYC. Don’t mess with success.

  36. Ex says:

    8:57 good riddance.

  37. BRT says:

    These business hostile politicians are incapable or recognizing mistakes.

  38. JBox says:

    He isn’t done with Cali yet, they just broke ground on a new battery factory in Lathrop, California and plan to expand Fremont assembly considerably. They employ over 10,000 people in California but his personal taxes will now be paid elsewhere… California has the nation’s highest state personal income tax and capital gains tax rates of approximately 13.3% each. Texas has neither tax. Texas has the lowest combined state and federal tax rate of 21% among 50 states.

  39. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:
  40. Jim says:

    Ex says:
    October 11, 2021 at 9:11 am
    8:57 good riddance.

    Sounds like what Phil Murphy says as more people and businesses leave NJ, Don’t worry the working middle class will pick up the slack for the teachers healthy benefits and pensions. Yes Phil is a shoe in for another 4 years.
    People in NJ love paying the freight for progressive politicians.

  41. SmallGovConservative says:

    As is common, I assume, at many larger firms, our internal communications group sends a company-wide email every Monday morning highlighting company news, upcoming events, etc. Initially, it was heavily focused on sales, product and tech accomplishments. But over time, it’s become overwhelmingly focused on D&I and social justice, with brief mentions of accomplishments sprinkled in. Get a look at this company-sponsored event that we’ve all been invited to…

    World Menopause Day | October 18 | 11:00am EDT
    Join for a virtual panel discussion on perimenopause and menopause in the workplace, to raise awareness and hear about support available.

  42. BRT says:

    A few states have figured out they can lure every domestic industry to them with favorable tax policy. This is simple and straightforward, and is actually expanding their corporate tax base.

  43. Libturd says:

    World Menopause Day. Is that a potluck? I’d bring gazpacho.

  44. Libturd says:

    Am I the only one working today? It’s particularly odd how the schools are no longer celebrating Christopher Columbus, yet everyone still takes the day off.

  45. Fast Eddie says:

    Libturd,

    I’m working. Columbus was evil; progressive liberals of America are not.

  46. JBox says:

    Our schools are open, make up day since they kept schools closed for the first three days do to a mold scare.they won’t dare do that to MLK day in January.

  47. Juice Box says:

    Grafitti in NYC has been back since last year, since the riots much of downtown buildings vandalized.

    Subways have not escaped either…

    https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-cops-take-down-prolific-graffiti-vandal-20210320-uq5numjkwzb33jncmtztfofvye-story.html

  48. Jim says:

    Am I the only one working today?

    All government workers are off, teachers, and of course no mail delivery. It’s the American way. Pumpkin is off, I know of no one who has as much free time as Pumps when he is working, must really be a tough Gig. I will be working my normal 8-10 hour day, the curse of being a non government boomer…ouch!

  49. 3b says:

    Juice: All that’s missing are the boom boxes, and we will be right back to the 80s!

  50. Juice Box says:

    Parade in NYC starts soon, first large scale parade up Fifth Avenue since the pandemic began….Cuomo was Grand Marshall last year, and this year it won’t be Deblasio…. they never game him that honor it seems perhaps it is because he eats pizza with a fork and knife.

  51. Libturd says:

    3b,

    As a teenager in the 80s, I remember seeing those gargantuan boomboxes in the souvenir shop windows in Manhattan. Each the larger than the next and many with more flashing lights than the set of the Enterprise. Oh, how I wanted one to blast my terrible early 80s hip-hop.

  52. Juice Box says:

    Yeah Ed Koch tried to crack down on the boom boxes. Here he is as mayor taking a break in Central park with his boom box circa 1985 was some kind of PSA to use headphones.

    https://tinyurl.com/3pdxv8ra

  53. Juice Box says:

    We would ride around town with our BMX bikes, somebody always had a Sharp brand boom box attached to the handle bars…. Always got stares from the old fogies…

  54. 3b says:

    Juice: Some of the boom boxes were so big they needed two
    people to carry!!

  55. 3b says:

    Lib: I remember those as well, J&R Music World used to have a selection of those. Great record store in lower Manhattan. Closed 10 or more years ago.

  56. Juice Box says:

    Humm that BBC interview of Clooney, just saw it. He still has TDS, so much like many Hollywood people he had to leave the USA when it got tough. Guy is raising his kids in Europe they were born in England, and he claims his young kids speak fluent Italian now while he and his wife do not. So you let the nannies raise them George we got it…He lives most of his life and comments about the previous president as “the guy who was always chasing girls” “that is all he was”.

    Yeah George the saint, guy was a skit chaser his whole life, married a woman 20 years younger than him has a private plane and five or six estates around the world. We got it….man of the people. Let us know if you are still a tax paying citizen…

  57. BRT says:

    My district is in service today, no kids. My town’s district is in school today. They gave up Columbus day because it’s racist and replaced it with Juneteenth.

  58. JCer says:

    BRT, African-Americans>Italian Americans. NJ schools had Columbus day off because of the large number of Italian Americans who live here. The Italians stopped being an oppressed minority group in the 70’s or earlier.

  59. Fast Eddie says:

    Weaklings of the left1st mentality are incapable of creating history of significance so they will attempt to revise it to coincide with their f.uckery.

  60. Jim says:

    Juice Box says:
    October 11, 2021 at 11:44 am

    Well said, Clooney is a typical hypocrit. Do as I say not what I do.

  61. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    3b

    They used 8 D Cell batteries.

  62. 3b says:

    Phoenix: Do they even make D cell batteries anymore?

  63. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    Yes,
    For non-rechargeable Maglite flashlights.

  64. 3b says:

    Juice: All Those Hollywood elites are hypocrites.

  65. crushednjmillenial says:

    BRT at 10:23 . . .

    states with favorable tax policy.

    Don’t forget favorable employment laws and overarching government overreach. I don’t know the details whatsoever, but a company I am aware of has an internal “no more hiring remote workers from CA” policy because of some asinine government paperwork or whatever that CA requires even for remote workers. The boss said hire more people from the Southern states, instead.

  66. grim says:

    I remember seeing one of those big boom boxes with a fold out record player.

  67. SmallGovConservative says:

    Have any of the true, traditional, non-leftist Americans here seen the new Bond flick? If so, is it worthwhile despite having gone woke? Thanks in advance — want to know before investing ~3 hours tonight.

  68. Ex says:

    12:31 please stop. You are parody of reality.

  69. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Yeah who needs one of the top creators in history when you have gender neutral bathrooms.

  70. BRT says:

    but I don’t think Columbus Day was celebrated because Italians were oppressed. As an explorer, he literally altered the course of everyone’s history. 2021 ideals applied to any historical figure are an absolute joke. 2021 ideals have proven to not even hold up to people in the year 2015.

  71. crushednjmillenial says:

    NYC and g&t . . .

    Any teachers on here have any commentary on teaching classes with a big mix of IQ’s? Do you think it is better to separate k-12 students a bit by intellect or academic achievement or is it more beneficial to society to have a broad range of kids inside one class?

  72. Fast Eddie says:

    2021 ideals have proven to not even hold up to people in the year 2015.

    We’ve descended into World Menopause Day and l1berals expect to be taken seriously. I assume Kiribati Prost1tut10n Pride Day is around the corner? What normal person isn’t cringing at the current form of the democrat party?

  73. Old realtor says:

    Columbus day being looked at in a different light isn’t about ideals. It is taking a truthful view of history. Telling a more complete story. Columbus is an important historical figure. He doesn’t have to be a hero.

  74. BRT says:

    Crushed, the disparity between levels is ridiculously large.

    Long story short, AP students are capable of 5x that of regular students. Regular students are capable of 5x that of the lower level students. Both in terms of what they can learn, how fast they can learn, and how much work they can accomplish. Most of my regular students will never be capable of learning what my AP students do in their life. To compensate, we leave out the more complex topics in each chapter. It’s not even possible to fathom the highest level being in the same class as the lowest level.

    If we slowed down the pace, the highest kids would be incredibly bored by October and rebel. If you sped up the pace, the regular kids would revolt by October due to difficulty. Groups make everything workable. Kids within that group are raised by the better kids around them. This happens at all levels. But, what also happens is, kids can be dragged down by the kids around them as well.

    Whoever thought of this clearly is delusional. It kills my kids educational experience even down at the 2nd and 4th grade levels. These kids who are included in the class are a constant distraction and lead to lower outcomes for the entire class.

    This whole idea of eliminating classes like Calculus from the high school curriculum is even more asinine. It’s the educational equivalent of defund the police. Rich districts and private schools will keep them while we screw over the rest of the population.

  75. No One says:

    BRT, Crushed,
    All of this comes from egalitarianism and altruist ethics. The education studies leaders hate that some people or students have more talent than others. Just as they hate that some people are richer than others or better looking than others, they hate that some kids learn faster than others. So they invent some pseudo-scientific studies or papers that says AP kids learn more by tutoring the LD kids, and bingo, they get to apply their envy to the profession. It’s Harrison Bergeron in the classroom. That’s what they’d like to do with all of society, but they haven’t quite taken that over yet. But a few more generations propagandized by this philosophically trained education establishment, and they will take over society.

  76. Grim says:

    Thank god California is banning gas lawnmowers.

    Not sure what the impact to landscapers will be. Maybe they expect everyone to drive in a Tesla with a scythe out the window?

  77. Juice Box says:

    Gas generators too, you now have to use solar power in an emergency to make electricity…

  78. 3b says:

    As per WSJ, Amazon is revising their WFH policies when their offices reopen in January 2022. Some teams will now be WFH permanently, others will be a combination of home and office, while others will be in the office.

  79. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    All while there are 62 cargo ships off the ports in California that American run corporations don’t seem to know how to unload.

    Might be time to go live with the Amish. At least they seem to have their act together.

  80. Ex says:

    6:50 plenty of warm farm animals too. Win/win

  81. JCer says:

    BRT, Columbus Day as a holiday was a result of the lynchings of Italian Americans, Harrison declared a “one time” holiday for Columbus to appease Italians and Italian Americans. The big push for observance through the 19th century was from Italian American organizations. It was an attempt to tie newly arrived immigrants to American history.

    Make no mistake the opposition to Columbus Day in the 20th century was almost exclusively from Nativists and the KKK. So the “wokies” can take solace in the fact that their position is aligned with the KKK.

    On the wider topic of Columbus, the leftist trash is woefully ignorant of the history and what the societal norms of the time were. Also the fact that the history is somewhat slanted by the fact that the Spanish crown tried to sue Columbus to avoid having to give him his cut of booty, so there absolutely was a defamation campaign against him and the descriptions of his treatment of the spaniards in the colonies was almost as bad as the descriptions of how the natives were treated. The simple math does not check out, Columbus’ men did not commit a genocide killing all the natives, smallpox did them in. Quite frankly without Arawak allies there was no way the landing crew could even subdue Hispaniola even with a huge technical advantage. The leftist narrative is as false as the 1619 project, it totally lacks intellectual rigor. Think critically, 2000 men even trained heavily armed men subdued 3 million natives or even the more conservative estimate of 100,000, does this make any sense?

  82. BRT says:

    JCer, wow, was not even aware of the history of the generation of the holiday. On the topic of Native Americans, its an absolute joke that people think groups of white men traversed the continent slaughtering them all. Anyone with half a brain knows that disease is what wiped them out.

  83. JCer says:

    Juice and Grim, that’s insane. I don’t know how my property could be maintained without gas powered equipment, it’s a heavy burden to try to do this with electric powered equipment. I’m sorry you need gas lawn mowers for large lawns and blowers pretty much need to be gas. Li-ion simply weights too much to really be practical in small equipment. They can take my gas generator, strimmer, and backpack blower when they pry it from my cold dead hands, I’m sure my landscaper would say the same.

  84. JCer says:

    BRT, when the white man showed up the tribes were at war. Some natives carried out the atrocities directed by the Spanish, it was always a constant war raid to capture slaves, slaves were abused, this behavior was surprisingly very consistent from both europeans and native peoples, at the time exploitation was the rule not the exception in the 15th century. At the time it was standard operating procedure, most of Europe was operating under compelled labor. Much of Columbus’ crew was compelled, they did not want to go on the voyage they were conscripted. The advisors to the monarchs at the time were convinced the voyage would starve and run out of water, they accurately knew the size of the earth but were totally unaware of the American continent. Columbus not being quite so good at math(he was self taught) caused him to underestimate the size of the earth. Columbus was a remarkable man because he was quite knowledgable and well read on many topics despite not having a formal education.

  85. No One says:

    Another good Columbus Day article:
    https://www.capitalismmagazine.com/2021/10/columbus-day-a-time-to-celebrate/

    Prepare to be triggered, hippies
    Columbus should be honored, for in so doing, we honor Western civilization. But the critics do not want to bestow such honor, because their real goal is to denigrate the values of Western civilization and to glorify the primitivism, mysticism, and collectivism embodied in the tribal cultures of American Indians. They decry the glorification of the West as “Eurocentrism.” We should, they claim, replace our reverence for Western civilization with multi-culturalism, which regards all cultures as morally equal. In fact, they aren’t.

    Some cultures are better than others: a free society is better than slavery; reason is better than brute force as a way to deal with other men; productivity is better than stagnation. In fact, Western civilization stands for man at his best. It stands for the values that make human life possible: reason, science, self-reliance, individualism, ambition, productive achievement. The values of Western civilization are values for all men; they cut across gender, ethnicity, and geography. We should honor Western civilization not for the ethnocentric reason that some of us happen to have European ancestors but because it is the objectively superior culture.

  86. Fast Eddie says:

    I haven’t watched a minute of football this year but I see that Gruden has resigned. This woke, l1beral, guilt bullshit has got to end.

  87. Ex says:

    It’s all rigged.

  88. Fast Eddie says:

    Every football locker room from high school to the pros this past weekend and from the beginning of time has uttered every inflammatory phrase you could possible think of. While we’re at it, let’s investigate every player in every sport, coach, GM, politician, doctor, lawyer, judge, 5th grader and their moms, too.

  89. joyce says:

    In furtherance of a future Gary rant:

    “NBA superstar Kyrie Irving can practice in New York City but cannot play in New York City [albeit different NYC facilities]. More disturbing is that Irving can play in Los Angeles and San Francisco, as can his unvaccinated league compatriots in New York City, because all three cities exempt ‘traveling performers’ from their respective city mandates.”

  90. Fast Eddie says:

    joyce,

    Deshaun Watson has been accused of sexual assault and inappropriate behavior in 22 active civil lawsuits… still on the roster. Still getting paid. We can find endless numbers of situations that apply to one person or group, yet not the other in similar circumstances. I’m done tonight.

  91. joyce says:

    Not following. My comment was about local government laws.

  92. Libturd says:

    Gruden said “home opener” too quickly.

    Wish we could rid the state of Murphy the same way. Isn’t his dirty money PAC called New Direction?

    Say that real quickly.

  93. Bystander says:

    Ed,

    He blasted owners of league and some derogatory things about Goddell. Do you keep your job if you do that at your company?

  94. Bystander says:

    Dumboriss Smith has lips the size of michellin [sic] tires.”

    Gruden on Black NFLPA leader Demaurice Smith.

    You are the problem Ed if you think 70% black league should accept this from HC.

  95. Ex says:

    That same-sex relationship is just one of the ways that Jonathan Kent, who goes by Jon, is proving to be a different Superman than his famous father. Since his new series, Superman: Son of Kal-El, began in July, Jon has combated wildfires caused by climate change, thwarted a high school shooting and protested the deportation of refugees in Metropolis.

    “The idea of replacing Clark Kent with another straight white savior felt like a missed opportunity,” Tom Taylor, who writes the series, said in an interview. He said that a “new Superman had to have new fights — real world problems — that he could stand up to as one of the most powerful people in the world.”

    The coming out of Superman, perhaps the most archetypal American superhero, is a notable moment even in an age when many comics have embraced diversity and are exploring pressing social issues. Batman’s sidekick, Robin, recently acknowledged romantic feelings for a male friend (not Dick Grayson — who was Batman’s partner for over four decades — but Tim Drake, a later replacement; there are multiple Robins just as there are multiple Supermen). And a new Aquaman comic stars a gay Black man who is positioned to become the title hero.

  96. Fast Eddie says:

    Bystander,

    I’m saying that everyone on the planet should be investigated if they ever used inflammatory language. Nobody would be left with a job. But what next? Salem w1tch burnings? He or she looked at me the wrong way?

  97. Juice Box says:

    Gruden was cancelled by Roger Goodell. This was his revenge. The emails about seven in total that were found during a forensic search of Bruce Allen’s work email at Washington. NFL came down hard on Washington over the summer and fined them $10 million for a culture of sexual harassment. Snyder the owner got away with it, it was a slap on his wrist, he was not cancelled.

    Goodell had to be in on it for sure, those emails they found by the firm he hired.
    https://www.vestrylaight.com/news

    Gruden should have been fired for simply being a moron, but he was given a chance to save face and resign. You would think BY NOW people would have learned not to type out on a computer a conversation that should not be recorded for eternity.

    If the NFL combed through all the emails they must have going back to the early 1990s you can bet there would be a ton of people outed for all kinds of thought crimes across owners, coaches, administration and players.

  98. grim says:

    Biden would be smart to begin to subsidize the construction of world-leading semiconductor foundries in the US right now, as a matter of national strategic importance. With China’s crosshairs on Taiwan, they could cripple the US economy with the flip of a switch.

    We’d be stupid to try to stop them, but we’d be really stupid if we weren’t already planning for the repercussions.

  99. BRT says:

    Taiwan Semiconductor is opening operations in Arizona. I think that’s less about the US being smart and more about Taiwan having a backup plan for Chinese invasion.

  100. Hold my beer says:

    Grim

    Problem is our politicans would rather fight cultural wars than focus on economic needs.

    More likely to subsidize them if hunter gets hired to paint murals in the hallways.

  101. Bystander says:

    Ed,

    Sounds a little snowflake to me..why was I investigated?? Boo hoo. This is no different than speeding argument and “others did it too”. He got caught and should have been out asap.

  102. Fast Eddie says:

    Bystander,

    You’re missing my point but that’s fine. I’m done with it.

  103. Juice Box says:

    Grim – A bit dramatic don’t you think? There are allot more important things made in China. There are about some 37,000 TEUs (twenty-foot containers)shipped from China to the USA every day of various good.

    The chip industry should spread out if they want to survive an invasion of Taiwan, but if China wanted to cripple the USA they would not need to take Taiwan to do it. We do not have the ability to produce the massive amounts of electrical machinery made in China here or anywhere near, that is China’s biggest export to the USA. Right now there is a six month wait for a simple electrical pool pump. There are very few places to find an American made copper winding electric motor or even copper wires itself.

    Chilean copper exports to Asia amounted to over 4.52 million metric tons in 2019, out of which nearly 64 percent were destined to China.

    We are a nation of shopkeepers, no different now than the once formidable British empire.

    “To found a great empire for the sole purpose of raising up a people of customers, may at first sight appear a project fit only for a nation of shopkeepers. It is, however, a project altogether unfit for a nation of shopkeepers, but extremely fit for a nation that is governed by shopkeepers.”

    Adam Smith

  104. Juice Box says:

    Neighborhood Anti-vaxxer, anti-mask Covid positive Karen broke quarantine to stand with her child at the bus stop this morning. Needless to say she has been complaining about being quarantined to all the neighbors so no need for me to say anything. They all treated her like she had the plague and I was shocked she was actually wearing a mask.

  105. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    If you want to racialize everything, then the nfl being 70% black is a problem. They are systemically racist. Tear the mofo down.

  106. crushednjmillenial says:

    Speaking of vital products that one would imagine should be made in the US – in about April 2020, I was thinking that there was no way that Congress doesn’t pass a law mandating that at least 50% of pills sold by pharma companies to US patients must be made on-shore and same for the chemicals and other parts of the supply chain. We can feed the US with onshore food production, but apparently US ppl relying on daily medicine to stay alive can be killed by supply chain disruptions (and, as it turns out . . . Easily). Still haven’t heard any steps in this direction, so I guess our national leaders disagree that this is strategically important.

    However, I’d imagine any US company green lighting production facilities in China right now has baked a lot of risk into their models. I’m surprised China can still win out for foreign investment into production facilities over Vietnam, Malaysia,etc in a post-COVID world for the next many years. And, that’s before Xi started flexing his power so hard lately.

  107. Bystander says:

    Goat,

    It is a little early to have dumbest post of the day.

  108. JCer says:

    Juice, China is currently engaged in causing shortages. There economy is collapsing and they want to take the US down as well. I’m thoroughly convinced a lot of the very simple IC’s we are having shortages of are coming from China, we depend on a lot of 7 cent pieces to build very expensive machinery, so holding that up definitely cripples our output.

    I would think pool pumps would be made here, no? When I was a kid the hayward superpump was made in USA and you pretty much never had to replace them, my folks bought 1 replacement pump in 40 years of pool ownership. Typically Chinese windings are cr@p which is why chinese pumps don’t typically last very long.

  109. JCer says:

    Crushed anyone with a brain isn’t doing anything new in China, they are simply to adversarial for it to make sense. Xi has made it clear even to internal businesses the CCP runs the show, I’d be inclined to think at this point anyone conducting business there is doing it out of laziness. Between the government over there and the US government there is simply too much risk of tariffs and disruption.

  110. Libturd says:

    There is some truth to GOAT’s post. Especially in light of how late Goodall was to embracing the BLM movement. The NFL has now gone overboard with any and all cancel culture issues. There are messages on the helmets, in the endzones, pregame rituals, heck the teams even dress differently for every cause imaginable. I would still argue their handling of the kneeling Kaepernick issue was completely wrong, but in this day of quotas and equal representation, it’s not fair to only play it one way going forward.

  111. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Let’s not pretend that the left has not racialized everything. The racialized world view is wrong but the left has gone all in. They are pushing it on children with CRT. of course some are calling it equity or wrapping it in some other politically correct language. They are making their bed they should lie in it.

  112. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    The joke about the Michelin’s was funny. Bill Maher is right. The left has become absolutists, and there is no place for humor with them. They are what liberals used to hate about the right. Terribly insufferable.

  113. 3b says:

    Jumbo loan originations are near 2008 levels. It’s different this time!

  114. 3b says:

    Goat: I agree , when Bill Maher says the left is out of control, that says a lot.

  115. Libturd says:

    I’m not even sure it’s political anymore 3b. First, that whole CRT is pure bullsh1t from the right. Noone even heard of it until they made it their narrative. But let’s get back to the REAL topic of where this is stemming from. I think it’s more a product of academia. I honestly don’t remember the cancel culture being pushed by any politicians. It’s like social media and everyone in publishing/broadcasting is so scared of being cancelled that it has developed a life of its own.

    When I discuss it with my 16 year old son, he sees nothing wrong with it whatsoever. But it’s not political. He’s not political. He’s a member of the intentionally politically apathetic.

    So to make the overswing a left/right argument is kind of silly. I think it’s more of a maturation of people’s common sense. Hopefully, it will swing a little bit back to where satire and poking fun at differences is once again acceptable.

  116. Libturd says:

    https://www.aaeteachers.org/index.php/press-release-pages/070221-crtsurvey

    The CRT bullsh1t is more populism tactics.

    It’s no different than race-baiting or scapegoating. You make something up to rile your predominantly white male voter base. Where have we seen this before?

  117. 3b says:

    Lib: I agree with most of your post, not on the CRT matter. Many school boards have or are trying to institute CRT programs in schools. I do agree it started in academia.

    I also hate the soft racism of the left, that patronizes Black people. You have been oppressed and society is racist, so we will make it easy for you, change the standards, eliminate the standards etc. It is insulting to black people.

    This toxic environment now where people are afraid to say anything or have a different opinion is destroying this country.

  118. Fast Eddie says:

    Hopefully, it will swing a little bit back to where satire and poking fun at differences is once again acceptable.

    LOL. Sure. This is only the beginning, pal. How many who were fighting for inclusion, justice or some form of equality now beginning to pause?

  119. Bystander says:

    Lib,

    Like all big business, the NFL cares about making money and at some point 20 years ago, they realized that the male market is pretty much sealed. We are in and obsessed. Women are the growth area, except you are not going to get them with wife beatings, racism, gay bashing and sexual assault every day. It is hard image clean-up to attract female viewers. I agree that it over the top but that is capitalism.

  120. Libturd says:

    Well I never heard of CRT until Goat even mentioned it here a few months ago. Outside of a few radical black activists and an extremely small minority of white radicals, I do not know of anyone who supports it. I am 100% convinced the populist right is more responsible for making people aware of its existence than from anyone on the left. I know a lot of teachers. It is not being taught by any of them and most of them have never even heard of it to this day.

  121. BRT says:

    Lib, no one knows what CRT is. The fact remains, there are lots of teachers trying to influence their kids through their own political biases. Whether or not a district promotes CRT is immaterial. There needs to be a clear line drawn between education and political indoctrination. My kids district has 100% crossed the line. They give specific teachers a stipend each year to be “equity warriors”. That’s the title of the stipend. They push their politics onto kids as young as 8 years old.

  122. Fast Eddie says:

    …they realized that the male market is pretty much sealed.

    I’m out, haven’t seen one snap of the regular season. And this was from someone who’s been to easily, 200 Giants games and lived for Sundays in the fall. My earliest recollection was Tarkenton to Homer Jones. We had such great memories and fun times in the 80s after suffering through the losing 70s.

    So, that many are that weak that they need to overlook the politics despite it being rammed down our throats? The NFL is in the business of appeasing to whatever means, cause or movement will make them money. Gruden says shit and he’s Luc1fer. Joe Mixon breaks a girls jaw, threatens a cop with his car and he’s still playing. And what about Kaepernick? Too late because it would be too obvious and not quite subtle enough to let him back in?

  123. Libturd says:

    3b,

    I am in agreement with the soft racism. The left cares only about the voting block that the continued dependance on government cheese creates. Same with much of the illegal immigration.

    But this CRT is not being embraced by the left whatsoever. Though it sure has taken on a life of its own as a talking point on the right. All the populist right does is scapegoat. This is another perfect example of it.

  124. Fast Eddie says:

    I am 100% convinced the populist right is more responsible for making people aware of its existence than from anyone on the left.

    LMFAO!!!

  125. Libturd says:

    “The fact remains, there are lots of teachers trying to influence their kids through their own political biases”

    You mean like prayer in school?

    You don’t get one and not the other.

  126. No One says:

    My wife graduated from one of China’s top universities 30 years ago, and she has social media contacts with hundreds of them. Many of these people were Tiananmen democracy protestors back then. Fast forward through 30 years of propaganda and government control of all media, and a whole lot of them are rabid nationalists. Last week was China’s National Day break. Many of them explicitly say that China is currently at war with the USA, and they think they are winning. Many of them love to cite the anti-American, anti-Western Civilization essays that are published by popular intellectuals in the US and Europe. BLM, CRT, the old Noam Chomsky types, they practically write the anti-US propaganda for them. All the Chinese propagandists need to do is copy paste.
    The US isn’t being beaten by China as much as it’s committing suicide. The BLM and CRT/intersectionality crowd are taking over schools, taking over HR departments, taking over the minds of your kids and popular media, and hope to eventually take over everything. Libturd I guess thinks its fine, no big deal, all just a boogeyman invented by Republicans. I’d almost rather the China Communist Party take over an institution than I would these CRT intellectuals, who are more dedicated neo-Marxists.

  127. Fast Eddie says:

    You don’t get one and not the other.

    Agree. Let’s introduce prayer back into the schools. After all, it’s all about equality and inclusion, right?

  128. JCer says:

    The CRT issue is tricky because CRT is not being taught it is far too nuanced of a concept to teach to children but rather a load of racist BS is being foisted on our children. What is being taught is extremely damaging to both white kids and black kids. The left’s talking points on race are horrible and do nothing to create a positive path forward for race relations. What we teach is wrong, no group is blameless and people have done horrible things in history and no race gets a pass. Black folks captured those slaves and sold them, arabs and jews traded them, europeans exploited them. Arabs took white people as slaves. The left(hence academia) view of history is very twisted, manipulated, and dishonest.

    We should be teaching true history and leave it as the past, focus on going forward to interact with each other with mutual respect for our respective cultures and history. Especially at the elementary level they should be focusing on people the kids can be proud of, positivity is what young children need. Telling one group of children they are oppressors and another group they are victims will only stunt both groups. We can talk about the evils of slavery, the problem of Jim Crow and how racism(and yes everyone can be racist) is a problem and is something we should all fight to eliminate, as MLK said judge people by the content of their character. If you want to stop racism teach children about other cultures, focus on the positive, focus on what these cultures bring and how we all share similar values as people not on who did what to whom. Every group can find a grievance and at some point we need to get past it, people are sh*tty.

    I can guarantee a leftist educator would never cover the Haitian revolution honestly or Liberia or Rhodesia and what happens when the roles are reversed, people are capable of despicable things.

  129. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    ” I think it’s more a product of academia. I honestly don’t remember the cancel culture being pushed by any politicians.”

    I could be wrong, but the first I remember about “canceling’ came from college age women that were sexually abused (or claimed they were), did not want to go to to police, did not want a trial, did not want to face their accused. The technique became to slander the guy and get him kicked out of college or ruin his life in some other way not using the legal system.

    Today, there are organizations like Lioness, who call their type of justice “storytelling.”
    A quote from the NYT:

    Ms. Steinhorn said she thinks storytelling is a powerful tool in the fight for justice. “We’ve noticed that stories change hearts,” she said. “It’s much more effective than the legal case, in a way.”

    This did start in academia in my opinion. But like any other tool or weapon, can be used for good or nefarious purposes. Sometimes in “storytelling” there are plenty of facts omitted-sometimes on purpose-to get your desired effect across. It’s more than a slippery slope, it’s downright pathological.

    Yesterday I posted an article about an incident at an airport. One woman “perceives” that a man holding a vintage camera is a bomb maker intent on blowing up an airplane. The response is to land a heavy fully fueled aircraft back at the airport, mount a massive law enforcement response, deploy two emergency chutes at a cost of 15-30k each, and ruin the vacations of over a hundred passengers. Doesn’t something seem wrong about this response?

    There is an absurd amount of paranoia with a lack of common sense going on in America today. People are triggered. You cannot function well as a society like this.
    I cannot see how it ends well.

  130. BRT says:

    You mean like prayer in school?

    You don’t get one and not the other.

    Prayer is not politics, and is clearly already addressed with laws against it. But to give you an example, we had a bio teacher that refused to each evolution to the kids. He should have been reprimanded or fired.

  131. Libturd says:

    And the right is pushing to teach history properly?

    Good morning class. The vast majority of you came to America to be rapists, commit crimes, steal our jobs and collect welfare.

    Shall I go on?

  132. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    “With liberty and justice for all” (that can afford justice, that is)

    I just wish they could get this part right in a country where justice is for sale to the highest bidder.

  133. JCer says:

    No one, it is very scary how otherwise intelligent people are so easily manipulated. One sees it in all atrocities throughout history. People are very susceptible to manipulation even if they have a high iq. China is at war with US, we just haven’t realized it. Whether or not COVID came from a lab, China weaponized it. They are weaponizing the economy as well. The CCP shell game is collapsing, they are facing MANY existential crises at the moment, the economy is teetering, their markets may crash, they’ve had many crop failures so food is a concern, and they have a power shortage, things may become very difficult for the Chinese people and the CCP needs a scapegoat to placate the angry masses. They may need to invade Taiwan to distract and appease their population.

  134. No One says:

    American founders, from a big picture historical perspective, were great men, who were willing to fight for their lives for the principal of individual rights. The Declaration of Independence is a massively impressive political-philosophical document.
    I saw via my kid how this is taught in school. They have virtually nothing positive to say about any of this, or any of these people. All they care about is that they were white men, who owned property and slaves. From what I saw, school only looked for things to criticize, and about 80% of the focus on the era is of native american tribes, slaves, women, inequality, whatever. There’s clearly an educational establishment playbook that has revised history teaching to position from a neomarxist position. Thanks a lot Howard Zinn. This was the case for history or “social studies” classes for “higher performing” students.

  135. BRT says:

    And the right is pushing to teach history properly?

    Good morning class. The vast majority of you came to America to be rapists, commit crimes, steal our jobs and collect welfare.

    Shall I go on?

    Or maybe we could just reasonably teach history like we did in the 1980s?

  136. Libturd says:

    Phoenix,

    I’ve been arguing for the social1zing of law since I’ve been in college. It’s really a novel idea.

    As a matter of fact, I think if you social1ze law, insurance and medicine, the amount of savings would cause everyone’s discretionary spending to explode. We’d all be rich overnight. Those three industries are pretty much where the majority of your spending goes after shelter and sustenance.

    Of course, expanding our unaccountable government is hardly a viable solution.

  137. JCer says:

    Lib, we aren’t talking about the right they do not control the curriculum. The right wingers don’t even want public schools. Frankly you’d see less politics in a curriculum set by libertarians(not the religious right) and more focus on hard facts and skills and less about “feelings”. The left thinks math is “racist”, that is all you need to know, these people are insane.

  138. 3b says:

    Lib: Sorry I disagree, the Left in my view is definitely embracing CRT. As for your comment about history and the right, that is a very simplistic statement. Trump made it , and now that means that’s the rights view? Sorry I don’t buy that at all.

  139. Libturd says:

    And as long as we are riling each other up, there’s this.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/12/health/if-youve-had-covid-do-you-need-the-vaccine.html

    Admittedly, the arguments presented aren’t terribly convincing either way, though it does spell out what they know from both sides.

  140. JCer says:

    No one Howard Zinn is a farking moron. I agree when looking at people one should look at the positives as well as the negatives. The founders were great men who risked everything to create a new country that gave individuals liberty. People fail to realize that they could not abolish slavery as the south would have never joined the revolution if that were the case. If the founders emancipated their slaves they themselves would have gone bankrupt, and the well being of the slaves themselves becomes a concern. As for the American tribes we need to teach that not only were there positives to their views on the environment and that they had a rich tradition but that they were constantly fighting with each other committing what we consider today atrocities against one an other. Basically what we see in Afghanistan with tribal groups isn’t too far off from what the natives doing on the north american continent before Europeans got here. The founders knew very well Slavery was bad, they did not like it but they weren’t about to blow up their grand experiment over it.

  141. No One says:

    Libturd,
    I hear Cuba is accepting defectors from the US. Government provides everything there, and it’s all fantastic, according to Sean Penn.

  142. Libturd says:

    3b,

    It’s clear the right is embracing Trump’s populism. You personally might not like it because you are intelligent enough to see it for what it truly is. Much like I see a lot of issues with the Left, for which I don’t agree with. But I say this with the most sincerity and I know I sound like a broken record. This populism strategy will do a lot of damage to the Republican party for a long time to come. An politically unknow Trump beat HRC and rightly so. But HRC was ten times the candidate Biden is. I swear, every single one of those 20 candidates running would have done even better than Biden. The political results since the election continue to show the damage.

    You know what’s worse than a two-party system? A one-party system. Trust me.

    It feels like politics, but it’s not. Scapegoating will never win in America. It just emboldens the other side.

  143. Juice Box says:

    Lib where you been? It’s law now in CA.

    Gov. Gavin Newsom just signed a Democrat-authored bill that will mandate California high school students be required to take a course on ethnic studies in order to graduate high school.

    Why does this now need to be a law?

  144. BRT says:

    Everyone sit back and just enjoy the fact that Pumpkin right now is proctoring a standardized test and not allowed to use his phone. You probably have another half hour of peace.

  145. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Our school district book of the month over the summer which is chosen by the superintendent is the Tyrone Howard book which is completely about crt. There is any equity task force underway which is eliminating standards of all kinds. You’re choosing to ignore it.

  146. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    Every time I see CRT I think Cathode Ray Tube.

    and vertical hold.

  147. Libturd says:

    If it was up to me, I would get rid of all of the religious and ethnic holidays and would replace it with melting pot week(s). We would all celebrate our differences by sharing culture with an emphasis on how our lack of homogony is our strength . Huge potluck street parties would be had. Cats and dogs dancing together. We would be the envy of the world.

  148. Libturd says:

    Phoenix, me too.

  149. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    BRT,
    You win for funniest post of the day.

  150. Libturd says:

    Juice,

    It shouldn’t be. But ethnic studies does not translate to CRT by any stretch of the imagination.

  151. Libturd says:

    My son has the PSATs tomorrow.

  152. Libturd says:

    Take my education, for example.

    If it were not for my family being so cheap that they sent me to the same sleep away camp that the Fresh Air Fund sent Newark kids to, my first real exposure to diversity would have been in college. Even with my diverse Summers, the real history of America was not taught until I was in college. I was fortunate that it was taught by a professor who was really great at getting us to think critically (not CRT) and speak openly. I am not scared by requiring kids to take an ethnic studies course. Nor am I scared by the Civics course (better known as theology) that is required by all attendees of Providence University. Call me old-fashioned, but people can make up their own minds as to what is indoctrination and what is not. Meanwhile, 92% of Americans believe some dude named Jesus died for their sins. Maybe I ought to rethink this.

  153. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    You know what’s worse than a two-party system? A one-party system. Trust me.

    Agreed. I’m beginning to think rank choice voting may be the best answer.

    More parties, not less.

  154. SmallGovConservative says:

    Libturd says:
    October 12, 2021 at 10:31 am
    “The CRT bullsh1t is more populism tactics.”

    Oh, really? This piece lays out in meticulous detail, the specific people, dates and events that constitute the integration of CRT into Virginia schools. But sure, it’s all a bunch of hokum invented by the ‘Let’s Go Brandon!’ chanters.

    https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/yes-virginia-there-is-critical-race-theory-in-our-schools/article_ba449c18-cf99-11eb-a719-4bfc9103236c.html

  155. 3b says:

    Lib: I agree the populism is destroying the Republicans and the country, and on the flip side, the Woke/ CRT madness is also destroying the country. The two together are a deadly mix, and will eventually lead to real violence, but the riots of last summer, but real civil unrest.

  156. 3b says:

    Lib: I don’t have a problem with an ethnic studies class, if the content is accurate and it takes into consideration all sides and points of view. If it is anti white or western civilization, then it’s simply propaganda.

  157. Bystander says:

    Ed,

    Probably because it happened before entered league. If it happens while in the league then guessing NFLPA gets involved and has procedures. If video exists (like lesson from Ray Rice saga) then met more harshly.

  158. Juice Box says:

    Lib the actual curriculum in CA is up to the local school boards, the history of the law is spelled out in this LA Times article here and rife with controversial teachings that were proposed in the model.

    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-10-08/california-first-state-require-ethnic-studies-high-school-graduation

    Don’t think it won’t be pushed.

  159. BRT says:

    Probably because it happened before entered league. If it happens while in the league then guessing NFLPA gets involved and has procedures. If video exists (like lesson from Ray Rice saga) then met more harshly.

    The NFL has been very inconsistent from person to person. One thing that holds true, if you aren’t performing or have worn out your usefulness, you are gone. That’s what happened to Rice. He was already on the downslope of his career. Same for Colin Kaepernick, who was just a flash in the pan and long burnt out. He could have been a backup, but a backup isn’t worth the circus. There have been plenty of questionable characters in the NFL who are continually employed because they can still deliver on the field.

  160. dollarbill says:

    The monthly Cathie Wood Show starts at 1:30pm est. Still have time to make some popcorn.

  161. Bystander says:

    Totally agree, BRT. A single incident by performing player, without video, will be swept under rug. Video emerges and a woman involved then prepare for problems, star or not.

  162. Libturd, the journalist says:

    ” This piece lays out in meticulous detail, the specific people, dates and events that constitute the integration of CRT into Virginia schools”

    Did you even read it? You are such a sucker. I’m surprised you are no hanging with Pumps. You are a populist sucker. There are no better words to describe you.

    Let me see if I can fool you.

    Here’s the headline:

    China’s biowarfare commitment spells imminent end to America.

    Yesterday, the Smith twins were fatally stung in the playground at our local elementary school. Though, no test was performed to see if the boys were allergic to insect stings, the boy’s dad attributed their deaths to the recent influx of Chinese Murder Hornets. Mr. Smith, refusing an autopsy on his boys said, “I have all the proof I need right here,” as he pointed to the tree where the nest was found. “See that family of red spotted lantern flies right there?” Further investigation lead to the sighting of a gypsy moth caterpillar. This latest tragedy from the invasion of the Chinese bio drones, could have been avoided had the playground insect netting mandate been followed. Mr. Smith, though sad about the untimely death of his boys, still believes he made the right choice in opting his kids out of indoor recess. “My boys made the ultimate sacrifice for ‘merica, now if you’d leave me alone, I’d like to get back to my wonton soup before it gets too cold.”

  163. Fabius Maximus says:

    “MLK said judge people by the content of their character. If you want to stop racism teach children about other cultures, focus on the positive”

    Every time I hear this I get ready for the likelihood that a disingenuous argument is about to follow. When I look at MLKs speech, this always stands out.

    “One hundred years later (after the Emancipation Proclamation), the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languished in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. And so we’ve come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.”

    What is CRT? We have discussed it in here when we covered Levittown in LI. Prosperity for white and non-white deliberately excluded.

    We have the southern states refusing to teach evolution. We have the right attacking the school boards demanding curriculum changes for things they don’t want discussed. We are at a point now where Biology teachers are told not to teach anything about the Covid vaccine as they don’t want the protests. If they need to touch on anything they should only use Polio. I suppose the sugar cube makes it easier to swallow.

  164. Fast Eddie says:

    Did anyone see that video of Carmella Harris and those child actors talking about NASA? Omg, that was awkward. That woman has as much warmth as an abandoned camp fire at base camp on Mt. Everest.

  165. Libturd says:

    “Hunter and the big guy shared bank accounts”

    I don’t doubt any impropriety by Hunter. But even Biden would know better than anyone that you can’t share bank accounts with a drug addict. I rank this one up there with the pissing dossier.

  166. BRT says:

    She said they would see moon craters with their own eyes. Was she implying they would be visiting the moon? Ain’t gonna happen.

  167. Libturd says:

    Tangle’s take on CRT.

    There are few things I loathe more than faux outrage. It’s one of the things I call out most in this newsletter — from the left and the right, because they’ve both become so extraordinarily good at it. It is one of the primary poisons that drove me to create this newsletter in the first place. And this has faux outrage written all over it.

    In the last week I’ve seen conservative pundits (and politicians) claim that parents were being labeled “domestic terrorists,” that they were being “criminalized,” and that FBI agents were being sent to “silence” them. None of this is true.

    As Ruben Navarrette Jr. wrote: Garland literally wrote a memo. It’s one page. You can read it for yourself here. It’s pretty banal. It acknowledges that he received the letter from the NSBA, that the threats are happening, and announces that he will convene federal officials to talk about whether they actually need to do anything in response. That’s it. FBI agents aren’t being deployed (yet). Nothing has been decided. No plan has been formulated, much less released. No parents are going to the Gulag. Everyone take a breath.

    We don’t need Garland to tell us this is an issue nationally. The idea that there is “no actual evidence” of these increased threats is laughable. Just because there isn’t a national database doesn’t mean there isn’t evidence. Videos are going viral nearly every day of school board meetings descending into chaos, of parents stalking board members as they walk to their cars, showing up at their homes, promising them they will “pay” for the crimes of mask mandates or critical race theory. Open any local newspaper and you will find them. Go read this article or this article or this one. We just finished a full week of criticizing protests against Sen. Sinema for being inappropriate, and many of these protests are far more aggressive.

    As many conservatives noted above, this issue should be a matter for local law enforcement. And by most accounts, including his memo, Garland seems to agree. The subject of his memo is “PARTNERSHIP AMONG FEDERAL, STATE, LOCAL, TRIBAL, AND TERRITORIAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TO ADDRESS THREATS AGAINST SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS, BOARD MEMBERS, TEACHERS, AND STAFF.”

    The memo reads, in part: “Coordination and partnership with local law enforcement is critical to implementing these measures for the benefit of our nation’s nearly 14,000 public school districts. To this end, I am directing the Federal Bureau of Investigation, working with each United States Attorney, to convene meetings with federal, state, local, Tribal, and territorial leaders in each federal judicial district within 30 days of the issuance of this memorandum. These meetings will facilitate the discussion of strategies for addressing threats against school administrators, board members, teachers, and staff, and will open dedicated lines of communication for threat reporting, assessment, and response.”

    As I wrote when Republicans began passing legislation that attempted to ban critical race theory, I do not think the government should be banning things from being taught in classrooms that teachers think are necessary. I also don’t think the federal government should be overseeing school board meetings, and I don’t want the FBI surveilling parents who show up on a Tuesday night to chew out their kids’ teachers. It is not necessary. Anyone watching these board meetings — full of overt threats to do harm to school board members or teachers — must understand that this is not your normal griping over education policy.

    That means there is a balance to be struck here. It’s very possible that Garland rolls out his plan to help local law enforcement better manage what’s happening and that I join the howling crowd fearful of federal overreach and authoritarian FBI agents silencing parents. Lord knows it wouldn’t be the first time. It’s not as if we have many reasons to trust the FBI. The NSBA memo to Garland, which does use words like “domestic terrorism” and calls for use of the Patriot Act to address these threats is a scary document and worthy of consternation. But that’s not Garland’s memo and it is not what the attorney general said he was going to do.

    For now, all we know is that educators nationally are under a constant barrage of threats, harassment and intimidation for the crime of trying to do their jobs in an extremely difficult time. I feel for the parents just like I feel for the educators, but many of these protests are well beyond reason. In response to this, the attorney general wrote a memo saying he’d convene meetings to facilitate conversations with local law enforcement about what to do. This is not making parents domestic terrorists — it’s a plan to have conversations about the threats that will lead to more conversations about what to do, before any actual action is taken. Let’s see what happens.

  168. JCer says:

    fab, spare me your drivel. We are all aware of historical misdeeds, I think we all know about redlining, segregation and other such overtly racist policies. You have no disagreement from me that schools should teach evolution and other fact based science. Just because you do not want to look at anything objectively and use an emotional argument doesn’t change the intent of the speech or the vision he espoused. Just as if you disagree with someone it does not make them a “racist”. I’m opposed to any ideology that espouses someone’s descendants are somehow responsible for what their ancestors did, everyone is born into a particular set of circumstances and their measure of a person is what they do with the circumstance they are born into. I’m also opposed to this notion of teaching children of color “society is out to get them”, never have a victim mentality. The things being taught are harmful to both groups and have literally zero benefit even if there were truth to it.

  169. grim says:

    Cathy Wood says NYC is dead.

    How will Pumpkin deal with this cognitive dissonance?

  170. JCer says:

    lib, long screed but the net argument is that what is called ‘CRT’, is not fact yet it is presented as such. Ideological indoctrination has no place in primary education and should be banned. It’s bad enough our kids largely cannot read, write, or do math well, we should be focusing on actual education not the insane rambling of some leftist professors.

  171. BRT says:

    Ironically, with the focus on all this woke nonsense in schools, kids fall further behind in essential things like math, reading, and writing leading with respect to wealthier students who can afford private school and private tutoring. They end up making this inequality they rail against a self fulfilling prophecy.

  172. Libturd says:

    I don’t see it.

    Time will tell.

    All I see is continued left vs. right politics and very little substance to what each side is claiming.

    Energy could would and should be much better spent creating laws that benefit society rather than to attack the other side over nearly non-existent issues.

  173. 3b says:

    Grim: I did not see that comment by her. He will probably say, that’s not what she meant by her comment; it will be a tortured explanation I would think.

  174. chicagofinance says:

    Gruden was railroaded….. of course he deserves it, but why him? I’m sure that there are mostly likely 100’s of others with equivalent, or worse, evidence. Selective justice

    Bystander says:
    October 12, 2021 at 8:44 am
    Ed,

    Sounds a little snowflake to me..why was I investigated?? Boo hoo. This is no different than speeding argument and “others did it too”. He got caught and should have been out asap.

  175. chicagofinance says:

    I find the NJ vax numbers that grim posts absolutely shocking. They COULDN’T be that high could they? If so, I am shocked by the level of COVID that is cycling around. Shouldn’t Essex county alone make those levels impossible?

    Juice Box says:
    October 12, 2021 at 8:57 am
    Neighborhood Anti-vaxxer, anti-mask Covid positive Karen broke quarantine to stand with her child at the bus stop this morning. Needless to say she has been complaining about being quarantined to all the neighbors so no need for me to say anything. They all treated her like she had the plague and I was shocked she was actually wearing a mask.

  176. chicagofinance says:

    I thought most offshore Rx was India?

    crushednjmillenial says:
    October 12, 2021 at 9:20 am
    Speaking of vital products that one would imagine should be made in the US – in about April 2020, I was thinking that there was no way that Congress doesn’t pass a law mandating that at least 50% of pills sold by pharma companies to US patients must be made on-shore and same for the chemicals and other parts of the supply chain. We can feed the US with onshore food production, but apparently US ppl relying on daily medicine to stay alive can be killed by supply chain disruptions (and, as it turns out . . . Easily). Still haven’t heard any steps in this direction, so I guess our national leaders disagree that this is strategically important.

    However, I’d imagine any US company green lighting production facilities in China right now has baked a lot of risk into their models. I’m surprised China can still win out for foreign investment into production facilities over Vietnam, Malaysia,etc in a post-COVID world for the next many years. And, that’s before Xi started flexing his power so hard lately.

  177. chicagofinance says:

    The status of Cam Newton shows that there was no conspiracy around Kaepernick. Simply put: dollar arm/nickel head…. if you are a fcuking idiot, it is difficult to play QB in the NFL, unless you have the athleticism to transcend the other limitations. Once those skills diminish, you need to compensate with better QB play. If you are a distraction, the calculus is easy….

    Libturd says:
    October 12, 2021 at 9:42 am
    There is some truth to GOAT’s post. Especially in light of how late Goodall was to embracing the BLM movement. The NFL has now gone overboard with any and all cancel culture issues. There are messages on the helmets, in the endzones, pregame rituals, heck the teams even dress differently for every cause imaginable. I would still argue their handling of the kneeling Kaepernick issue was completely wrong, but in this day of quotas and equal representation, it’s not fair to only play it one way going forward.

  178. chicagofinance says:

    CRT is definitely a problem. Kids walk out of academia entitled. Now there is social pressure for employers to hire certain swaths of post-college set. Especially any public facing or retail business (especially pitched to youth) is in the crosshairs. Pure extortion. That is the reason for the capitulation. Hopefully, we as a society grow out of this unfortunate phase. It is possible once people realize the level of manipulation and the focus on power of the few, and not justice for all.

    Libturd says:
    October 12, 2021 at 10:21 am
    I’m not even sure it’s political anymore 3b. First, that whole CRT is pure bullsh1t from the right. Noone even heard of it until they made it their narrative. But let’s get back to the REAL topic of where this is stemming from. I think it’s more a product of academia. I honestly don’t remember the cancel culture being pushed by any politicians. It’s like social media and everyone in publishing/broadcasting is so scared of being cancelled that it has developed a life of its own.

    When I discuss it with my 16 year old son, he sees nothing wrong with it whatsoever. But it’s not political. He’s not political. He’s a member of the intentionally politically apathetic.

    So to make the overswing a left/right argument is kind of silly. I think it’s more of a maturation of people’s common sense. Hopefully, it will swing a little bit back to where satire and poking fun at differences is once again acceptable.

  179. grim says:

    NJ at 260k booster doses already as well. Daily rate of boosters is through the roof.

  180. 3b says:

    Chgo: I don’t know about that. Once something like CRT becomes embedded it will be quite difficult to go back.

  181. Bystander says:

    Chi,

    Selective justice is how the entire judicial system works. We all know first time black offenders get much harsher sentences than white offenders. Asking why? You’ll never get the answer because external forces have own agenda and they ain’t sharing. Maybe deflectio/ fall guy for Dan Snyder/WAS team as many are saying.

    Grim,

    Any link to that Wood’s statement? Might be good to keep handy when d^pshit tells us we are wrong on NYC

  182. Juice Box says:

    Shatner aka Captain Kirk to launch to space tomorrow @ 9:30 AM on Bezos rocket Blue Origin….

    Too bad Ricardo Montalbán is no longer with us.

    Khan : I’ve done far worse than kill you. I’ve hurt you. And I wish to go on hurting you. I shall leave you as you left me, as you left her; marooned for all eternity in the center of a dead planet… buried alive! Buried alive…!

    Kirk : KHAAANNNN!

    [echo]

    Kirk : KHAAANNNN!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnSnfiUI54

  183. Ex says:

    St. Pete – back in the day (90s) they had two big employers:
    Raymond James & Tech Data. Lots of back office operations
    from various firms. Not a bad place to live.

  184. Fast Eddie says:

    Jack Ciattarelli just beat the shit out of Murphy in the debate. On closing dialog, Murphy blurts out that NJ doesn’t want C0nfederate Flags and was booed unmercifully! He couldn’t finish his closing statement. He couldn’t defend his record, struggled at every turn, not even close.

  185. 3b says:

    Ex: Ray Jay is still there, two big office buildings, not that they are going to need all that office space going forward.

  186. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    Grim,
    Wish I could have received a booster. I got the M and not the P.
    OTOH, I do think it smoothed the rough water. I feel good.

  187. 3b says:

    Cathy says St. Pete great from a quality of life perspective. A certain someone ain’t going to like that comment, along with it being cheaper. As for her inflation/ deflation comments , based on what she said I would think we would see deflation in the high cost areas, as they need to become more competitive.

  188. 3b says:

    Bystander: Justice is based on money, OJ got off , he had money.

  189. Chicago says:

    I hate to state the obvious. As a general comment of the person here; not as much the specific latest new nugget.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bL1Xt3T9ZnY

    Grim says:
    October 12, 2021 at 7:59 pm
    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/12/cathie-wood-says-exodus-from-high-cost-cities-will-push-down-inflation-as-ark-heads-to-st-petersburg-.html

  190. Fabius Maximus says:

    “schools should teach evolution and other fact based science”

    So are you ok moving over to a more Creationist based curriculum? Because that is where this CRT on school boards is heading. That is not emotional, that is objective.

    “Agree. Let’s introduce prayer back into the schools.” I’m not sure if this is sarcasm or not. I have had discussions with some posters in here over the years where they are all for it because we are a country founded on Judeo-Christian values. It was one of those people that skip over the first amendment and stop after the second.

    “Just as if you disagree with someone it does not make them a “racist” I dont call people that in here, even the ones that clearly are. The most racist post in here for some reason seems to have been deleted. It was done by a very regular poster and involved MO and a Jawbone.
    When it come to racism, I always defer to Donald Duck Dunn, you know who you are. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFG5qIYmQi0

    “I’m opposed to any ideology that espouses someone’s descendants are somehow responsible for what their ancestors did,” That argument falls down when the same Shit is still happening.
    Back to MLK. “One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. ” If your generation still hasn’t addressed it and are still trying to brush it under the carpet, you still own it.

  191. BRT says:

    Murphy’s top issues are abortion and the confederate flag….apparently.

  192. Chicago says:

    FabMax: As a European on U.S. soil extracting maximum value for your talent while paying lower taxes, you have serious balls saying word one about this country. Pure hypocrisy. You don’t like it, please leave.

  193. leftwing says:

    “The transformation movement continues [bisexual Superman]…”

    I’m alright with it…when do we get a Catwoman, Wonderwoman, and Lois Lane three-way? In video format of course…

  194. leftwing says:

    “And as long as we are riling each other up, there’s this. [NYT article on natural immunity v. vaccination]”

    So, after 21 months, 700,000 deaths, and a wrecked global economy there is finally some acknowledgment by the Left of natural immunity? After the deafening silence?

    Anyone else think it’s not a coincidence this article finally appears the weekend after major disruptions at a second tier carrier because a handful of pilots call in sick together? The day after they are told vaccinations are mandatory and six weeks before Thanksgiving?

  195. leftwing says:

    “Tangle’s take on CRT.”

    Been a while since I’ve seen such a tortuous contortion of an argument to fit a conclusion to facts…

    So, undisputed, the organization representing school boards nationally (WTF does that even exist anyway) specifically labels parents as domestic terrorists and requests FBI support including implementation of the Patriot Act. The AG responds in writing that he will “convene meetings to facilitate the discussion of strategies” among local law enforcement and the FBI.

    Yet somehow the Feds are not getting involved in school board “protests”.

    Here’s a better idea….we already have a very recent precedent.

    School board “protestors” should behave and be treated exactly the same as BLM “protestors” over the summer.

    By my count that means most school districts are missing a burnt out police station, half a dozen or so destroyed police cars, and a looted downtown.

    Oh, and don’t forget, the penalty for such “protest” is catch and release. No bail. No Feds.

    Easy peasy.

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