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New Jersey tops nation’s highest property tax list at $9,413 while southern states offer relief

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89 Responses to Shut up and pay up

  1. VSG says:

    Yet nobody wants to leave NJ and move to maga’s territories

    “New Jersey tops nation’s highest property tax list at $9,413 while southern states offer relief”

  2. Fast Eddie says:

    That map is stunning. It’s nothing we didn’t know but a picture always tells a bigger story. We’re also No. 1 in outbound moves. A bit surprising is West Virginia is No. 1 in inbound moves.

    https://nj1015.com/nj-worst-in-the-nation-for-folks-moving-out-according-to-new-survey/

  3. Fast Eddie says:

    According to a state-by-state survey from United Van Lines, the Garden State recorded the highest share of outbound moves in 2024. Of all the New Jersey moves tracked by the company, 67% were outbound.

    According to the 48th annual survey, six areas in New Jersey ranked among the 25 metro areas with the highest share of outbound moves:

    ⚫ Bergen-Passaic (78%)
    ⚫ Newark (72%)
    ⚫ Middlesex-Somerset-Hunterdon (67%)
    ⚫ Trenton (66%)
    ⚫ Jersey City (65%)
    ⚫ Monmouth-Ocean (65%)

    The following states recorded the highest shares of inbound moves in 2024:

    ⚫ West Virginia
    ⚫ Delaware
    ⚫ South Carolina
    ⚫ District of Columbia
    ⚫ North Carolina
    ⚫ Alabama

  4. Dark Phoenix says:

    Outbound moves.

    Boomers with trunkloads of cash from house sales and bumper stickers that read: Bye, suckers.

  5. Dark Phoenix says:

    Truth Social MAGA airplane has flames coming out both engines right now.

    One thing religious folk don’t want to be associated with, it’s pedos.

    And now they are. Oh well.

    Funniest comment I saw ” If Trump wasn’t on the list, he would be selling a gold plated version of it.” 😂

  6. Fast Eddie says:

    I passed this joint when I went to the Indy race last week:

    http://www.fasteddiesbellville.com/

  7. VSG says:

    3b doesn’t want the list to be released

    Dark Phoenix says:
    July 13, 2025 at 9:51 am
    Truth Social MAGA airplane has flames coming out both engines right now.

    One thing religious folk don’t want to be associated with, it’s pedos.

    And now they are. Oh well.

    Funniest comment I saw ” If Trump wasn’t on the list, he would be selling a gold plated version of

  8. Dark Phoenix says:

    VSG says:
    July 13, 2025 at 10:13 am
    3b doesn’t want the list to be released

    The noise for getting it released is ramping up from those on the MAGA side.

    Some MAGAs are getting upset that their workers are being ejected from America.

    You have established an Army Police Force, testing it out on the “weak” strawberry pickers- it won’t be long before they ramp it up against anyone they want to disappear.

    Just like law, they are estabilshing a precedent.

    The purge is underway.

  9. VSG says:

    In October 2024, JD Vance, then a candidate for vice president, said, “Seriously, we need to release the Epstein list. That is an important thing.”

    Before he was Trump’s director of the F.B.I., Kash Patel told Glenn Beck, a right-wing radio host, that the F.B.I. had Epstein’s “black book” and that it was “under direct control of the director of the F.B.I.” In 2023, Patel told Benny Johnson, a MAGA podcaster, that members of Congress should “put on your big-boy pants and let us know who the pedophiles are.”

    In September 2024, Dan Bongino, now the deputy director of the F.B.I., told his listeners, “Folks, the Epstein client list is a huge deal” that would “rock the Democrat Party.”

  10. Juice Box says:

    VSG – Again, nothing new here.

    Various Epstein phonbooks have been published Gawker and Business Insider publised two of them. Guilt by association isn’t a crime. Should they release the list of 175 + victims who filed claims against Epstein’s estate and collect a settlement from the victims fund as well as extracted confidential settlements from some of the rich and powerful? Let the mobs hound them on social media and real life?

    There are various victims and their attorneys out there that know things and signed non-disclosure agreements as part of their settlements.

    Victims’ lawyer Spencer Kuvin (who also claims there are video tapes)

    https://www.wpbf.com/article/florida-epstein-attorney-black-book-secret-tapes-client-list/65384225

  11. Juice Box says:

    Strawberry pickers?? Phoenix the raid in California was at a marijuana grow farm.
    Search warrants were used. Children were found working there, and eight of those children were unaccompanied illegal aliens.

    The owners of that grow farm had hundreds of illegal aliens including children working there. Those owners should be arrested.

    Kyle D. Kazan ex-cop too.. They have 275 million in revenue they can afford legal workers and not have to resort to child labor. They choose not too..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Kazan

  12. Brt says:

    Owners complaining about it are just passed that their ridiculous margins will disappear. On the flipside…I don’t see the outrage of these illegals not receiving Healthcare, workmans comp and paid family leave.

  13. VSG says:

    once again maga fails to meet the standard that maga set for themselves.
    nobody called as loudly as maga for the release of the list.

    but we all know the real reason why trupm will never release it

    Juice Box says:
    July 13, 2025 at 10:44 am
    VSG – Again, nothing new here.

  14. njtownhomer says:

    WV is a terrible place to move into, unless you have family. These moving stats also mislead a lot of people. Most of the out-moving is seniors/old people. And this is healthy for people lose their old people.

  15. 3b says:

    VSG: It’s getting old now. If Trump was in the Epstein files, Biden would have released it. You need to come up with a new schtick.

  16. Fast Eddie says:

    WV is terrible… unless you have family… then it’s good… but most are old people… and it’s healthy for people to lose their old people.

    I feel like I’m reading Vonnegut.

  17. 3b says:

    VSG: 3b would love for the list to be released, he is just wondering why the Biden administration did not release it.

  18. Fast Eddie says:

    3b,

    The democrats are going to use the list as the top campaign issue for the midterms. Ab0rtion is out, as is the ‘me too’ thing, save Palestine, BLM, Russian Collusion, Jan. 6th and releasing taxes. Nothing left in the well except some muddy water. The media will spend 95% of their time ‘proving’ the right are ped0philes. Naz1 and fasc1sm didn’t stick either so what else do they have?

  19. Dark Phoenix says:

    What matters?

    All of the lying, right to your face.

    His name being on it doesn’t matter. Untrustworthy is untrustworthy.

  20. Chicago says:

    Bill Clinton is all over it. No question. But there must be others such as Bill Gates. Who were the titans of of politics and industry from 20 years ago that were mentally defective. Trump qualifies, but logic dictates that as we say it would have been out there long ago.

    Hers is a good place to look.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_senators_in_the_106th_Congress

    3b says:
    July 13, 2025 at 1:34 pm
    VSG: It’s getting old now. If Trump was in the Epstein files, Biden would have released it. You need to come up with a new schtick.

  21. Chad Powers says:

    So glad we sold our place in NJ. The overhead was oppressive. I won’t be back but you guys can hold down the fort.

    Going to Ireland and Northern Ireland in September for a week. First time going so it should be interesting. I want to overnight at Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam. Does anyone here know what hotels are located directly at the airport? I know some have a shuttle service but was wondering if there is one like at the Franfurt Airport where you just take a 10 minute walk to your gate from the hotel (Hilton Garden Inn).

  22. Chicago says:

    Daschle? Corzine? Harry Reid? Trent Lott? John Edward’s? Bill Frist?

  23. njtownhomer says:

    It is beyond the point that he is on the list, or not, or others.
    Biden couldn’t release it due to large number of Dems or their donors are on it too. Gates, Clinton to begin with. Cultish psychos.

    The real problem is what Tucker and real-MAGA brings up. Is this a Mossad operation? How can a foreign government run this to influence their way to go about? How about current tentacles of the same operation, on Trump, on Patel’s gf, on DanB’s actions. That will be brought up more and more.

  24. VSG says:

    No, it’s not beyond the point.
    That’s the main reason why the list isn’t released

    njtownhomer says:
    July 13, 2025 at 3:37 pm
    It is beyond the point that he is on the list

  25. VSG says:

    and since when is maga protective of the clintons???

    the clintons are not the reason

    Chicago says:
    July 13, 2025 at 2:44 pm
    Bill Clinton is all over it. No question.

  26. Dark Phoenix says:

    Um zis is very innnnnnteresting.

    The pitbulls are biting hard. The common folk are listening. The MAGA’s and the Religious folk are tuning in. The talk is at the dinner table.

    What are they all afraid of?

    VSG says:
    July 13, 2025 at 3:59 pm
    No, it’s not beyond the point.
    That’s the main reason why the list isn’t released

    njtownhomer says:
    July 13, 2025 at 3:37 pm
    It is beyond the point that he is on the list, or not, or others.
    Biden couldn’t release it due to large number of Dems or their donors are on it too. Gates, Clinton to begin with. Cultish psychos.

  27. Dark Phoenix says:

    It’s no longer a conspiracy theory.

    It’s a conspiracy.

  28. Dark Phoenix says:

    Some animals are more equal than others.

    Is spitting on someone a crime in Connecticut?

    While not always considered a crime, depending on the circumstances and jurisdiction, spitting on someone in Connecticut can potentially result in legal consequences.

    Here’s how it breaks down:
    Against a Police Officer: Spitting on a police officer can lead to a felony charge, according to Connecticut Bail Bonds Group.

    Against Others: Spitting on another person could be considered a misdemeanor charge, such as disorderly conduct or third-degree assault, particularly if it’s done with intent to cause physical injury or creates apprehension of offensive contac

  29. BRT says:

    and since when is maga protective of the clintons???

    the clintons are not the reason

    I’ve never seen the democrats and republicans collaborate so well as they have on Epstein

  30. Dark Phoenix says:

    United we stand, divided we fall.

    BRT says:
    July 13, 2025 at 4:49 pm
    and since when is maga protective of the clintons???

    the clintons are not the reason

    I’ve never seen the democrats and republicans collaborate so well as they have on Epstein

  31. RentL0rd says:

    2:47 – good riddance. One less racist is good for NJ.

    Regarding Epstein –

    Does it really matter if there is video of Trump raping underage girls? I mean, he admitted to grabbing pussy and all. I think there’s even more to this story – like Israel running multiple Epsteins in this country perhaps.

    In other news, why does the Indian Airlines crash report only reveal a sliver of the exchange between the pilots? Why not release more of what happened before and after the pilot/co-pilot found out that the switch was turned off? Shouldn’t they release more from the Black Box as part of the report? I think this is exactly what happened with the Malaysian airlines as well.. except perhaps they turned off the radar detection as well in that incident.

    I spent Saturday evening with friends at the Meadowlands racetrack – and won $6.

  32. Dark Phoenix says:

    RentL0rd says:
    July 13, 2025 at 9:11 pm
    2:47 – good riddance. One less racist is good for NJ.

    Regarding Epstein –

    Does it really matter if there is video of Trump raping underage girls?

    Yes, it does matter, and it should be shown in every Church in America. You know, the “God” thing and all.

    Pilot turned off the fuel. Oh well, either stupidity, a mistake, or mass murder. Either way God didn’t lift the plane up with his hands.

    Third, a cute video. Boomer, start picking. Take some Advil and get to work

    https://www.reddit.com/r/bbby_remastered/comments/1lyy7gs/picked_a_good_year_to_expand_my_garden/

  33. grim says:

    Wasn’t that the entire point of Ms. America?

  34. Hughesrep says:

    Played golf with a guy this weekend who flies that same plane for a domestic carrier. He says it’s not just a simple toggle switch. You kind of have to lift it up and push it over, not like you can do it accidentally.

  35. Juice Box says:

    Hughes they also turned the fuel switches back on again too… That wasn’t an accident.

  36. 3b says:

    Chad: Enjoy your time in Ireland, including the north of Ireland. I am sure you will have a great time.

  37. grim says:

    Surely Elon could build a robot produce picker?

  38. Juice Box says:

    Robotic Harvesters? Several startups came and went. Mainly however, to get acquired. Startup Traptic which had a strawberry picker robot that can work the fields, was acquired Bowery Farming three year ago. Bowery went under last year and blew a billlion in VC money. You might remember them they were buying or renting old factories in New Jersey nobody wanted and converting them into hydroponic grow houses.

    Dyson is at it now. Robot Pickers….Note, they are selling a bigger story with hydroponics and sustainability.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk-9KMZClac

    Just remeber a 10 million dollar strawberry farm with a mutimillion dollar robot just to save the salaries of 10 illegal workers working at half minimum wage. Yeah, that makes zero sense.

  39. Juice Box says:

    Remeber this Farm X in Kearny, New Jersey? Yes New Jersey was going to revolutionize farming….

    It’s all gone now.

    https://www.thepacker.com/news/industry/bowery-farming-closing

  40. No One says:

    JB,
    The purpose of a lot of that kind of stuff is more to reap many millions from VC investors moreso than to make actual money in the marketplace. Like so many of those autonomous vehicle startups over the past 10 years. Tech demos hoping that the economics will make sense someday, raising cash from people hoping to hit the autonomous vehicle lottery winner someday.

  41. RentL0rd says:

    VCs like “Opium” – Other Peoples Money (OPM)

  42. Juice Box says:

    The Agtech hydroponic companies that all promised to revolutionize farming, well poof most are gone or bankrupt now including AppHarvest the one JD Vance was involved in.

    Who would have thought growing crops under the sun in the ground would be more efficient than expensive greenhouses? Pretty much anyone who has ever been inside a greenhouse…

  43. Grim says:

    The hydro approach is interesting as the hydro mats run like conveyors. You wouldn’t bring the picker to the produce, but convey the produce into the picker.

    It’s an elegant approach, something you might need to do on Mars. Probably wildly expensive compared to dirt.

  44. Grim says:

    You’ll never harvest fruit autonomously and robotically like you can grain.

    The new John Deere systems are as advanced and autonomous as a Tesla or other self-driving car.

  45. Juice Box says:

    Mars? Elon does have the biggest scam going.

    Solar wind and cosmic rays directly impact Mar’s surface as it has currently lacks a global magnetic field.

    The average dose rate of about 0.7 milliSieverts per day of radiation about 40-50 times the average on Earth.

    You think your fruits and veggies or you can adapt to that?

  46. Juice Box says:

    Tevel drones pick apples, plums, pears, peaches etc today..

    No idea if any of it is cheaper than bio robots.

    https://www.tevel-tech.com/

  47. Juice Box says:

    A friend of mine owns a blueberry farm. Harvest season is now. You can drive down to the pine barrens and pick them yourself for $2.50 a pint.

  48. hughesrep says:

    My local Shoprite didn’t have strawberries yesterday. First time I’ve ever seen that.

    Picking blueberries is easy, its the raspberries and blackberries that will kill you if the insects don’t carry you away first.

  49. VSG says:

    It matters to every single decent human being.
    But to answer the question, no, it doesn’t matter to maga

    Dark Phoenix says:
    July 13, 2025 at 10:18 pm
    RentL0rd says:
    July 13, 2025 at 9:11 pm
    2:47 – good riddance. One less racist is good for NJ.

    Regarding Epstein –

    Does it really matter if there is video of Trump raping underage girls?

  50. Dark Phoenix says:

    Trump deflecting, lying.

    No Epstein files.

    Now gonna support Ukraine. Oh, and the EU is going to pay for it. Yeah, right.

    Oh, and Putin talked very nice. Sure he did. If there is one thing about Putin, it’s that he told you everything straght to your face. Another lie.

    Another round of “sanctions.” Good luck with that. Trump is acting like a parent that has lost control of their children and doesn’t realize they are gone and done listening to you because you are a hypocrite, liar, and evil yourself.

  51. White Trash Eddie says:

    The Trump administration just announced it will sell a shit ton of weapons to NATO to then but distributed to Ukraine. Trump has had enough. In addition, epic tariffs on Russia in 50 days to cripple their economy. In other words, getting hammered from many angles. As soon as slo joe took office, it was the green light for Putin to attack. It took Trump a few months after inauguration to regain our status as the undisputed global powerhouse. Europe said that if Cumella was elected, the U.S. would be surely dead.

    Meanwhile, democrats are still looking for pregnant men and Obammy tells dems to toughen up. LOLOL.

  52. Dark Phoenix says:

    WTE

    When is your Savior gonna release the Epstein Files?

  53. White Trash Eddie says:

    “I think it’s going to require a little bit less navel-gazing and a little less whining and being in fetal positions. And it’s going to require Democrats to just toughen up,” Obama said in remarks at a private fundraiser Friday in New Jersey, according to excerpts obtained by The Hill.

    Whhaaaa!!! Where the Epsteeen file at!! Whhaaaaaaa!!!!

    Lol.

  54. Dark Phoenix says:

    White Trash Eddie says:
    July 14, 2025 at 12:28 pm

    Whhaaaa!!! Where the Epsteeen file at!! Whhaaaaaaa!!!!

    Lol.

    All joking aside, the question is not going away. Especially by the MAGA and religious folk who are his followers, or were.

    Covering up Pedos, either by Trump, the Catholic Church, or anyone else, yeah, not funny.

  55. No One says:

    There are bigger risks than gamma rays of going to Mars:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrvMzk1ozE4

  56. No One says:

    I’ve never seen anything more suspicious than Trump’s message complaining about people paying attention to Epstein files. Tell me you’re embarrassed by the Epstein files without telling me you’re in the Epstein files.
    With all the subtlety of a toddler proclaiming they didn’t take the cookies.

  57. RentL0rd says:

    Again, does it matter?

    We now have a king with the judges in his pocket and the largest military at his beck and call.

    Soon, even the FED.

    Fast Eddie will keep laughing until they get him for cheating on his business taxes (even if he did not).

  58. Dark Phoenix says:

    The “Anti-War” President is actually trying hard to get us into WW3.

    Radiation is the one thing that will bring NJ Real Estate prices back to earth.

    Using fallout, that is.

  59. Brt says:

    Picking raspberries is an art form. It’s all by feel. When I worked on the farm, the pound I picked was always for sweeter than what everyone else would.

  60. Juice Box says:

    Phoenix – only if they opt for the extended range version. It’s a pricey upgrade.

    JASSM – 230 miles range

    JASSM-ER – 570 miles range

    As the crow flies, they would need the ER missile to hit the ruskies where it hurts.

  61. RentL0rd says:

    Love the berries… but never plant raspberry bushes in your garden… they take over the whole garden. Learnt it the hardway.

  62. 3b says:

    Juice: I can get blackeberries and raspberries on sale in ShopRite from,$1.99 to 2.99 depending on the sale day. Much more expensive in Whole Foods of course.

  63. No One says:

    I just happened to see Adam Sandler come in and eat some Chinese food a couple tables away from my wife and I yesterday. He might need to try some Zepbound.

  64. Dark Phoenix says:

    China launches world’s first oil tanker with adjustable sails, to cut emissions by 5,000 tons annually.

    Smart thinking. Only thing America makes is weapons. Oh, and booze. And more recently, weed.

  65. Dark Phoenix says:

    Newsom looking like the most Democratic Prestidential candidate. AOC not capable, who else is left, retreads like Chris Christie?

    Gavin Newsom Rips VP JD Vance For Disneyland Trip: ‘The Families You’re Tearing Apart Won’t’
    The “Happiest Place on Earth” was anything but for Vice President JD Vance in California.

  66. OC1 says:

    The Trump administration just announced it will sell a shit ton of weapons to NATO to then but distributed to Ukraine. Trump has had enough. In addition, epic tariffs on Russia in 50 days to cripple their economy. In other words, getting hammered from many angles. As soon as slo joe took office, it was the green light for Putin to attack. It took Trump a few months after inauguration to regain our status as the undisputed global powerhouse.

    Interesting spin.

    So basically, after getting played by Putin for the last six months, Trump is just doing a different version of Bidens policy.

    Except the US is switching it’s role from “leader of the free world” to “war profiteer”.

    BTW, US imports from Russia are only about $ 3 billion/year; hard to see “epic tariffs” on that doing much damage to the Russian economy.

  67. OC1 says:

    Whhaaaa!!! Where the Epsteeen file at!! Whhaaaaaaa!!!!

    Lol.

    Dude, if you haven’t noticed, it’s MAGA saying that.

    Live by the conspiracy theory, die by the conspiracy theory.

  68. 3b says:

    House Minority Leader, Jeffries said the Trump Admin should release all the Epstein files, and Congress should intervene to force the release. I think that makes sense, but why now? Why didn’t he seek the release when Biden was president?

  69. OC1 says:

    House Minority Leader, Jeffries said the Trump Admin should release all the Epstein files, and Congress should intervene to force the release. I think that makes sense, but why now? Why didn’t he seek the release when Biden was president?

    I am shocked, SHOCKED! to see politics going on here!

  70. OC1 says:

    But on the other hand the people who are now president, vice-president, FBI director, FBI director (and others) all spent a lot of time before the election telling the country that 1) there was an Epstein client list, and 2) that they would release it.

    I don’t see anything wrong with holding them to those promises!

    And if there really isn’t a client list, those same people should have to explain why they told the country for so long that there was.

  71. OC1 says:

    Helluva storm.

  72. Dark Phoenix says:

    Supreme Court Green-Lights Trump Plan To Gut Education Department

    Good job. Need to plan ahead for future vegatable pickers. Don’t want them too educated.

  73. Dark Phoenix says:

    Trump:

    We just released the Epstein list. There was one person on it.

    Pee Wee Herman.

    He ded.

    Case closed. Move along, nothing more to see here. 🤣

  74. Dark Phoenix says:

    3b says:
    July 14, 2025 at 5:21 pm
    Why didn’t he seek the release when Biden was president?

    Cause his buddies are on the list too.

    Haven’t I been saying all along they are both corrupt?

  75. Juice Box says:

    How many will drown in NY Metro today?

  76. 3b says:

    OC1: Politics of course,but if the Democrats were the good guys as they claim to be, and cared about doing the right thing, and justice and all that they would have released them during the Biden administration. The Democrats are no different than the Republicans.

  77. grim says:

    So why exactly would the Republicans block Maxwell from testifying if subpoenaed by Congress?

    Not a good look.

    But she’s probably the only one you could trust at this point. Whatever the Trump administration releases, can’t be trusted. Pee Wee Herman is right.

    How long till she dies?

  78. Juice Box says:

    Don’t need Maxwell to testify. There are 250 women who submitted claims against Epstein. 150 were deemed credible, and 125 accepted a deal and were paid out a total of 121 million. This was all done very quickly claims were closed and compensation was paid out about 2 years after his death.

    It was one of the greatest coverups ever. All survivors who received compensation from the Epstein victims fund signed broad releases that barred them from filing future claims against the Epstein Estate or people Epstein had worked with in his sex trafficking ring, including his ex-girlfriend and long-time accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell.

    This was done in private between attorneys.You can bet the FBI does not have that evidence.
    Those victims can testify to congress and name names they can be given immunity including their attorneys.

    Not going to happen…

  79. BRT says:

    watch out for flooding, it’s insane out there. I saw a bunch of videos on twitter around the 78 corridor. I’m seeing places that never flooded before completely under water. New Providence for example.

    https://x.com/ChynoNews/status/1944904523748626635

  80. Fast Eddie says:

    So basically, after getting played by Putin for the last six months, Trump is just doing a different version of Bidens policy.

    Lol. O’Biden hasn’t had a policy his whole shit career. He said “don’t” and Putin laughed at him. Like every other mess, the current administration has to clean it up.

  81. Fast Eddie says:

    Keep hoping for some list. It’ll die like every other “bombshell” the left hangs on to. The left has absolutely nothing to look forward to. You’re wallowing in misery and have no plan, no agenda, no message and no direction. All rhetoric, all symbolism, all wind, all gas, all gable, babble and burble all the time. Greatest comeback of all time. What’s the smartest thing to come out of a democrat’s mouth? Einstein’s c0ck.

  82. SmallGovConservative says:

    3 hour 45 minute commute home from NYC thanks to flooding on 78. Don’t know what I would’ve done if I hadn’t had that Nick Tarnasky golf fight video to keep me amused.

    In any case, curious to know how stooges like Unstable and Rant feel about Jamie Dimon’s spot-on comment from this weekend; as per Jamie, “I have a lot of friends who are Democrats, and they’re idiots. I always say they have big hearts and little brains. They do not understand how the real world works. Almost every single policy rolled out failed.”

  83. RentL0rd says:

    When you are stuck on a near 4 hour bus ride, it must be comforting to pick and choose the political view points you want to hear – instead of reality.

    The republican party – or should I say the MAGA party, has gone full demolition mode, wrecking the country’s morals, brains, and bank account with ruthless efficiency. Not even the wokest, tofu-loving lefty could dream of doing this much damage.

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