Save the economy, go shopping

From the FT:

Grim retail sales data fuels concerns about health of US economy

A series of grim official data released just ahead of Thanksgiving has deepened concerns about the health of the world’s largest economy, ratcheting up pressure on President Donald Trump.

Signs of weakness in retail sales and consumer confidence released on Tuesday suggest Americans are pulling back on spending amid an affordability crisis that is causing ructions in Washington.

US retail sales rose by just 0.2 per cent in September to $733.3bn, according to the US Census Bureau, missing Wall Street expectations and slowing sharply after months of acceleration.

The Conference Board’s index of consumer confidence dropped to 88.7 in November from 95.5 the previous month. It was the second-lowest reading in five years, behind the level hit in April when Trump launched a global trade war.

“American consumers seem to be losing faith in the economy’s resilience, which could turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy that drags down growth,” said Eswar Prasad, an economist at Cornell University. 

“Rising prices, coupled with concerns about employment prospects and housing affordability, are clearly taking a toll on the confidence of households and their willingness to spend freely.”

Cost of living strains have hit those on lower incomes across the country as housing, grocery and healthcare prices rise, widening the wealth gap as richer Americans benefit from a stock market boom.

Inflation data released on Tuesday pointed to more pain as US wholesale prices — a forerunner of consumer prices — rose more than expected to 2.7 per cent in the 12 months to September.

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138 Responses to Save the economy, go shopping

  1. Ex says:

    Jared Kushner gave permission to Saudi ruler Mohammad bin Salman to arrest Jamal Khashoggi before he was killed and dismembered, a whistleblower claims.

    However, Turkish intelligence intercepted the call and President Recep Erdogan then used the information to force President Trump to remove his troops from northern Syria, according to the Spectator.

  2. VSG says:

    Not surprised that Jared is running our foreign policy

    Ex says:
    November 26, 2025 at 6:37 am
    Jared Kushner gave permission to Saudi ruler Mohammad bin Salman to arrest Jamal Khashoggi before he was killed and dismembered, a whistleblower claims.

    However, Turkish intelligence intercepted the call and President Recep Erdogan then used the information to force President Trump to remove his troops from northern Syria, according to the Spectator.

  3. VSG says:

    No foreign policy
    No energy policy
    No Artificial Intelligence policy
    No replacement for Obamacare
    No housing policy
    No economic, nor affordability policy

    It’s all about grifting everyday, all day

  4. Fast Eddie says:

    HSBC sees S&P 500 hitting 7,500 by end of 2026 with ‘more to come’ in the AI trade

    Easily. We’re in the top of the 2nd inning. Diversify your investments and consider a role change in your career. And no, liberals, rage and protest are not careers.

    Some food for thought…

    Science & Healthcare

    Accelerated Drug Discovery: AI will drastically speed up the process of discovering and developing new drugs and treatments by analyzing complex biological data and predicting how molecules will interact.

    Enhanced Diagnostics: AI systems, particularly in medical imaging (like mammograms, X-rays, and MRIs), will achieve higher accuracy in detecting diseases earlier than human experts, leading to better patient outcomes.

    Personalized Medicine: AI will analyze individual patient histories, genetic information, and lifestyle data to develop highly customized and effective treatment plans.

    Scientific Research Automation: AI “co-scientists” will generate and test novel hypotheses, analyze vast datasets, and simulate complex scenarios to accelerate breakthroughs in fields like climate modeling, materials science, and physics.

    Brain-Computer Interfaces (BCI): Advances in BCIs will allow for non-invasive interpretation of user intent to control external devices, assisting individuals with paralysis and enhancing human-computer interaction.

    Technology & Business

    Agentic AI Systems: Autonomous AI agents will become common, capable of independently performing multi-step workflows and complex tasks like customer support or network diagnostics, requiring less human intervention.

    Hyper-Personalization: The ability to analyze individual data will enable hyper-personalized experiences in marketing, education, and entertainment, with tailored content and recommendations becoming the norm.

    Autonomous Systems: The development of autonomous vehicles, from cars to delivery robots and agricultural machinery, will advance significantly, optimizing transportation, logistics, and supply chains.

    Improved Cybersecurity: AI will enable more proactive cybersecurity solutions that can monitor networks for suspicious activity in real-time, detecting and mitigating threats much faster than current methods.

    Sustainable Practices: AI will aid in the fight against climate change by optimizing energy grids, improving weather forecasting, and developing more sustainable solutions for agriculture and manufacturing.

    Society & Economy

    Increased Productivity and Economic Growth: Widespread AI adoption is projected to significantly boost global GDP and labor productivity by automating routine tasks and enabling humans to focus on more creative and strategic work.

    Enhanced Education: AI-powered platforms will offer personalized learning experiences that adapt to each student’s needs and learning style, potentially making education more effective and accessible.

    Automation of Mundane Tasks: A primary benefit of generative AI will be the automation of dull, dirty, difficult, or dangerous jobs, freeing humans for safer and more engaging work.

    Ethical and Policy Frameworks: As AI capabilities grow, societies will develop more rigorous ethical guidelines and regulations to address concerns around bias, privacy, and accountability, ensuring responsible deployment of the technology.

  5. Fast Eddie says:

    Btw, we are approaching domestic record energy production. Expect gas to drop to ~ $2.00 per gallon in Q1/Q2 of 2026. Diesel will drop substantially as well. Diesel equals the transportation of goods which equals competition which equals lower prices on food and goods.

  6. Fast Eddie says:

    When I was out in San Francisco on business last year, there was a gas station within view of my hotel. The driver dropped me off, I looked at the gas prices and swore it was wrong. Why are people out there not outraged? The hotel also had about 20 car chargers, half had the cords ripped off the device. Copper theft? Just theft? This was in the Fremont/Newark area.

  7. VSG says:

    “Humanoid robots will enter the market at a cost-capability of under $10/hour for their labor, on a trajectory to under $1/hour before 2035 and under $0.10/hour before 2045.”

  8. VSG says:

    Boomer will soon enact legislation benefiting robots over humans

  9. Chicago says:

    Brain-Computer Interfaces (BCI): Advances in BCIs will allow for non-invasive interpretation of user intent to control external devices, assisting individuals with paralysis and enhancing human-computer interaction.

    Asking for Pumps. What if you don’t have a brain?

  10. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Our lives are changing rapidly. This is the end of the wild west for us…and we are the Cowboys/Indians.

    VSG says:
    November 26, 2025 at 9:07 am
    “Humanoid robots will enter the market at a cost-capability of under $10/hour for their labor, on a trajectory to under $1/hour before 2035 and under $0.10/hour before 2045.”

  11. grim says:

    AI will force the USA to go socialist.

    Republicans better get ready for that.

    Universal Healthcare.

    Universal Basic Income, significant increases in minimum wage (along with wage subsidies to support that)

    Rental assistance and lower income housing.

    Food and living subsidies.

  12. grim says:

    We as a country are not ready for the massive unemployment that’s in store.

  13. grim says:

    Practice your fruit picking.

  14. Chicago says:

    File under “what are you predictions for 2025 on 1/1/2025.”

    Cantor Fitzgerald, the former firm of Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick, has long been an afterthought on Wall Street. Now it is having its best year ever.

  15. Fast Eddie says:

    grim has turned into Dark Phoenix.

  16. The Great Pumpkin says:

    A world of abundance is upon us….not there yet, but soon will be. Grim is most likely right…

  17. No One says:

    Trump already turned the Republican party Socialist.
    Reagan had the chance to truly shrink government but ultimately his Christian-altruist morality stopped him. He didn’t even abolish the then-new Department of Education (established 1980) which he’d campaigned on. Reagan had campaigned on shrinking government, failed, and then Bush Sr., with his “kinder gentler nation” rhetoric was the full capitulation of Republicans to the big government welfare state.
    Campaigning, Trump repeatedly attacked Republicans to his right every time they voiced support for removing government subsidies/benefits. Trump is absolutely a big government, welfare state guy.
    The funny thing is that the older Republicans still make posters about liberty, limited government, personal responsibility, etc. It’s touching that they still like the rhetoric if not the actions of Reagan, but Trump always disliked Reagan, and there’s no will in the party to put any of those slogans into practice.

  18. No One says:

    I’m not so worried about AI causing economic problems. Before that happens, China/Russia/Norks, + many other anti-Western countries will likely start WW3 with Taiwan being the spark, which would be like Russia-Ukraine times 100. And bye bye plentiful AI chips.

  19. 3b says:

    Grim: Perhaps all that you listed will turn out to be the case. But, at the end of the day the massive disruptions caused by AI, will also have a dramatic negative affect on the profitability of American corporations, and of course the stock market. If AI does in fact destroy millions of jobs, then there will be millions who cannot afford the goods and services being produced by corporations, for those who might be able to, then it will be be at much lower prices, and profitability will dramatically shrink. It is all connected.

  20. Fast Eddie says:

    Take a look at the history in a timeline from Ancient Rome to today. Which occupations became obsolete and which ones were born due to technological change?

  21. Chicago says:

    Eddie: being overpaid to babysit ghetto kids was obsolete before I was born.

  22. Chicago says:

    Makary argued that Fauci and Collins were successful in downplaying COVID’s links to the Wuhan lab — which he said had the “safety standards of a poorly managed dental office” — because “there’s an allegiance to them” in the medical establishment, tied to funding for research.

  23. Dark Phoenix says:

    Fast Eddie says:
    November 26, 2025 at 9:31 am
    grim has turned into Dark Phoenix.

    When you are not biased to be a Robot Republican, or Dingbat Democrat, have kids, look at the whole picture, it all becomes clearer.

    Those that have chosen a side only see balls flapping in their faces as their lips are wrapped around the shaft of thier choice.

    The blue pill or the red one.

  24. Dark Phoenix says:

    MM Good. Soup is good food.
    Now go give some corporate head.

    Martin Bally, a vice president and chief information security officer at the food giant, said during a meeting that Campbell’s products were “highly process food” for “poor people,” and that Indian employees were “idiots” whom he disliked working with, according to the employment discrimination complaint filed by Robert Garza, a former cybersecurity analyst for the company. Garza said in the lawsuit that he was fired after telling a supervisor about the comments and that he planned to report them to the human resources department.

    Garza’s attorney provided The Washington Post with a lengthy recording of a conversation in which Bally can allegedly be heard complaining about an incident during which employees couldn’t be reached in a technical emergency. “F—ing Indians,” he said. “They couldn’t think for their f—ing selves.” He also can allegedly be heard suggesting that the company’s soups possibly used “bioengineered meat.”

  25. Juice Box says:

    Prices on used Telsas are now getting ridiculously cheap.

  26. Dark Phoenix says:

    Trickle down.

    Haha. Sure it will happen. It’s such an altruistic country. Those corporations, like Campbells, are just dying to help you

    They love you. Trump loves you. Biden loves you. Bush really really loves you. Hillary and Harris would have loved you. Noem loves you, but would have shot your dog as she was being merciful to the dumb thing…

    If AI does in fact destroy millions of jobs, then there will be millions who cannot afford the goods and services being produced by corporations, for those who might be able to, then it will be be at much lower prices, and profitability will dramatically shrink. It is all connected.

  27. No One says:

    Here’s a song for the anti-Campbell’s commies. I liked it when I was a rebellious sixteen year old. Jello Biafra is a personally a piece of crap, like most commies, btw.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfYNyZha0vw
    “Soup is Good Food” Dead Kennedys

  28. 3b says:

    Dark: I am told by some that is the incorrect way to view American politics. The Democrats are the good guys and the the Republicans are the bad guys, and that will continue to be the case even when Trump is out of the picture. If you do not adhere to that belief, than you are suspect.

  29. JUice Box says:

    Ex – Stop being such a retweeting turd muncher… You are someone who will eat anything and believe it.

    It was the Trump’s 1st administration that sanctioned the Saudis for Khashoggi death.

    https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm547

    And it was Joe Biden’ and his administration who were kissing the Saudi’s asses…he gave MBS a free pass from prosecution and started selling them arms again…Did you forget people gushing over Joe Biden fist bumping MBS in 2022?

    I would not be surprised if some Saudi money made it into Jim Bidens bank accounts..

    https://www.reuters.com/legal/biden-admin-says-saudi-prince-has-immunity-khashoggi-killing-lawsuit-court-2022-11-18/

  30. Juice Box says:

    re: “Practice your fruit picking.”

    Nah I can still day trade my crypto. I will be fine….

  31. No One says:

    “Trickle down” is a strawman argument. Those that disdainfully re-mouth that derogatory slogan have as a key premise taking the wrong side on the question of whether private enterprise makes people wealthier or government redistribution makes people richer. Hundreds of years of economic data globally, and economic principles makes it obvious that it is indeed private enterprise that makes people richer.
    Free enterprise advances wealth, including the wealth of the richest people.
    Enviers think this means that advocates of free enterprise think that poor people get wealthier by wealth “trickling down” from richer people. No, it’s just that enviers just don’t understand economics, and are projecting their redistributionist framing onto others.

  32. Dark Phoenix says:

    So good cop, bad cop.

    Well 3b, if you are the suspect and think that way, enjoy your undeserved prison term.

    3b says:
    November 26, 2025 at 11:00 am
    Dark: I am told by some that is the incorrect way to view American politics. The Democrats are the good guys and the the Republicans are the bad guys, and that will continue to be the case even when Trump is out of the picture. If you do not adhere to that belief, than you are suspect.

  33. Fast Eddie says:

    JPMorgan sees S&P 500 reaching 7,500 in 2026 — or surging past 8,000 if the Fed keeps cutting rates.

    The firm’s call that the S&P 500 will reach 7,500 next year also makes it the second Wall Street bank this week to put that target on the index for 2026, with strategists at HSBC making the same forecast in a note published Monday.

  34. Dark Phoenix says:

    It was the Trump’s 1st administration that sanctioned the Saudis for Khashoggi death.

    Boys, boys, you shouldn’t have killed the neighbor boy.

    Now go to your room, and no dessert for you tonight.

  35. 3b says:

    Dark: I will be sent to a political reduction camp. The radical left loves that. History demonstrates that well.

  36. Ex says:

    11:18 nonsense

  37. 3b says:

    Juice: The Epstein files will be released next month, so quiet now on that front. So now, there has to be something else. There always has to be something else.

  38. Juice Box says:

    3b – You and me in the struggle sessions..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS8c6hLj7uA

  39. Fast Eddie says:

    Damn, I wish I was younger. I’d go through the Physician’s Assistant program. It’s 7 years until licensed. I want to go through another career – I can’t see myself ever retiring. How can any person waste their life and not feel satisfaction from work? Especially a man? It just doesn’t compute.

  40. Dark Phoenix says:

    The released Epstien files, after being sanitized by Bottle Blonde Bondi.

    OJ did it.

    The end.

  41. 3b says:

    Juice: Yes, we will criticize our former selves and vow to become new men, who have seen the evil off our past thoughts and beliefs. The radical left loves these political reeducation camps. They would love to have them in the USA too. They may get their wish some day.

  42. Dark Phoenix says:

    Mitch McConnell says:
    November 26, 2025 at 11:26 am
    Damn, I’m glad I become a congressman. It’s 7 years to become a lawyer, and then you are in. No better career for me – I can’t see myself ever retiring. How can any person waste their life and not feel satisfaction from inside trading, free health benefits even when the country is on shutdown, fancy trips everywhere. Do this until you are so old your brain malfunctions and reboots on national television. It just doesn’t compute.
    Thank you taxpayers for giving me the best life possible at your expense.

    Fools.

  43. Ex says:

    11:26 because time …. Time with family especially is something you can never replace.
    No one dies thinking “ I wish I spent more time at work” except possibly ‘you’ .

  44. 3b says:

    Dark: You are a little early. That is the comment for when they are released, and it turns out there may not be any evidence in the files that Trump is a pedophile or made multiple trips to Epstein island etc. I don’t know if he did or he didn’t , we will never know for sure. I don t think he needed any help luring girls and women to his casinos and hotels and his Mar Largo compound, but who knows. Larry Summers on the other hand, now he needed help in getting women, he said so himself.

    Then of course we had Bill Clinton apparently he never visited Epstein island, but he could have been to Epstein s town house in NYC. And of course he destroyed Monica Lewinsky a troubled young woman who needed help, not Clinton s dick. She didn’t profit from all of that, and Bill Clinton kept his job, and is an elder statesman in the Democratic party.

  45. Juice Box says:

    3b – re:”There always has to be something else.”

    Yes Epstein’s lawyers won’t release the files they are keeping from the DOJ.

    Have to remember $125 million changed hands with approximately 175 victims of Epstein. Names, places, times, and illegal acts are in those files. I won’t say 100% but a large percentage of those crimes were probably committed by Democrats.

  46. No One says:

    Never forget the Dems were trying to establish a ministry of disinformation, led by this psycho:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZTiMPt-Jqk

  47. Dark Phoenix says:

    And of course he destroyed Monica Lewinsky a troubled young woman who needed help, not Clinton s dick.

    Hehe.

    She wanted Clintons dick.

    They know they want dick in high school. She was no victim, at minimum a housewrecker.

    If you banged enough you would know that. She knew exactly what she was doing.

  48. 3b says:

    Dark: You can be Nancy Pelosi, and be a politician and play the stock market too, and have a staggeringly huge performance , and a net worth of around 300 million, but of course that must be ignored. Nancy P has been fighting for the little guy for decades, its only right she have a little something on the side to help make ends meet.

  49. 3b says:

    Dark: Agree to disagree on that. Clinton took advantage of her, she didn’t wreck anyone s home, Bill did that. He could have said no, but easier to blame a 25 year old vs the President of the US. Poor Bill was taken advantage of. That is a bunch of crap. All due respect you are blinded when it comes to women. They are not all bad or evil.

  50. Dark Phoenix says:

    I watched my 20 something coworking nurse reach into a doctor’s pants pocket and take out his wallet convincing him he needed to buy her a pizza.

    Her friend took a picture of such, with her hands in his pocket, and then a second with her holding the pizza as if it was a prize.

    Welcome to the modern world.

    Oh, not an “AI” story either.

  51. 3b says:

    Juice: There cant be any Democrats, they are the good guys, but of course they are. Epstein was a Democrat and socialized with Dem bigwigs, certainly not Republicans. There has been rumors that Melinda Gates divorced Bill, due to his Epstein ties.

  52. Dark Phoenix says:

    3b

    Never said he was being taken advantage of.

    But it’s not like he lied to her and said he was single.

    She knew. Not a victim. Women go after married men all of the time.

    Drug pushers go after addicts the same way.

    But yet we bomb them in speedboats down in Venezuela, correct?

  53. Chad Powers says:

    Anyone here ever been on a river cruise in Portugal? I‘ve only been in Portugal just passing through. It would be kind of neat to spend a couple of weeks there next summer.

  54. No One says:

    Lewinski became more famous than she ever could have otherwise. And she seemed the thirstier of the two.

  55. grim says:

    We will not see humanoid manufacturing robots in any material or widespread way in our lifetimes. We need to put that nonsensical dream to bed already. We have widespread robotics, they don’t need to take a human form to be effective. Specialized robotics still has decades to run before it’s tapped out, and in many cases, a humanoid robot will likely never be as fast, as good, etc.

    All that said, that’s not the WHY. The why is, we’re doing to have a huge oversupply of unemployed meat robots that will need to be put to work somehow. It’s far more likely that we’ll see a significant push towards repatriation of ALL jobs from offshore, simply because we need something for the proletariat to do, lest they start a revolution.

    We will see a WPA that will make every other WPA-style program behind it pale in comparison. What can humans do? Construct things. I’d bet my money that we see an absolutely massive boom in infrastructure and construction as a result. These are things that robots are simply shitty at, and will continue to be in the near future. We’ll transition to an economy predicated on rapidly expanding infrastructure. Mining, lumber, asphalt, oil, concrete, steel.

    No river without a bridge, no city without a rail, we’ll build monuments to everything and anything.

  56. grim says:

    Probably not the mainstream view.

    In all previous industrialization-style revolutions, humans have moved up the intelligence ladder.

    It’s far more likely that we climb down it now.

  57. 3b says:

    Grim: And how will it all be paid for?

  58. grim says:

    Mark my words, in our lifetimes we will never see a robot walking down the street picking up trash, nor will our kids.

    What we will see though, are humans in gray jumpsuits doing it. And before you think that’ll never happen, I guarantee that people will FIGHT over those jobs.

  59. Fast Eddie says:

    …simply because we need something for the proletariat to do, lest they start a revolution.

    Unless you’re a leftist sympathizer, uncomfortable in one’s own skin and find reasonable conformity to be stressful.

    But, nothing to disagree with on your predictions. Build, fix, reinvent, streamline and improve. Construction of the Interstate Highway complex in the 1950’s will give rise to an Infrastructure redo in the next few decades.

  60. 3b says:

    No One: I don’t think she really profited from it. In fact she was scorned by the media for the most part. It would be different today I would think. And of course if it was a Republican President, then it would be completely different in how she was treated.

    We can debate who is or isn’t at fault with the Clinton/Lewinsky matter, but the fact is Bill dint suffer because of it, and is an elder statesman of Democrat party.

  61. Fast Eddie says:

    In all previous industrialization-style revolutions, humans have moved up the intelligence ladder.

    It’s far more likely that we climb down it now.

    Didn’t you say Gen Z is smarter than any other generation in the past? ;)

  62. Fast Eddie says:

    Just let me know when I can clone a 30 year old Julie Newmar in a cat suit.

  63. Chicago says:

    Does Campbell’s also have a pancake batter soup?

    Dark Phoenix says:
    November 26, 2025 at 10:51 am
    MM Good. Soup is good food.
    Now go give some corporate head.

  64. Fast Eddie says:

    ATLANTA (AP) — A judge on Wednesday dismissed the Georgia election interference case against President Donald Trump and others after the prosecutor who took over the case said he would not pursue the charges, ending the last effort to punish the president in the courts for his efforts to overturn his 2020 election loss.

    LOL!

  65. Ex says:

    12:18 Don’t worry, your crush still has plenty of offenses that’ll put him away.

  66. Chicago says:

    My brother’s freshman roommate at Princeton was a huge Dead Kennedys fan. He also blasted this song in Forbes (the dorm across the street from the NJ transit dinky station). Brooke Shields matriculated with them.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=65wlGkG37yU

    No One says:
    November 26, 2025 at 10:57 am
    Here’s a song for the anti-Campbell’s commies. I liked it when I was a rebellious sixteen year old. Jello Biafra is a personally a piece of crap, like most commies, btw.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfYNyZha0vw
    “Soup is Good Food” Dead Kennedys

  67. Ex says:

    However it’s far more likely that ol’ Donnie Trump will die in office.

  68. Chicago says:

    You’ve been kept down
    You’ve been pushed ’round
    You’ve been lied to
    You’ve been fed truths

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jsCR05oKROA&list=RDjsCR05oKROA&start_radio=1&pp=ygUMZGVwZWNoZSBtb2RloAcB

    grim says:
    November 26, 2025 at 11:56 am
    . It’s far more likely that we’ll see a significant push towards repatriation of ALL jobs from offshore, simply because we need something for the proletariat to do, lest they start a revolution.

  69. D-FENS says:

    Grim’s comments echo what Elon Musk says about AI. It’s the white collar jobs that will be lost to AI. Blue collar jobs will be enhanced by it…but not replaced.

    https://youtu.be/O4wBUysNe2k?t=9136

    AI um will is is really still digital. Ultimately, um AI can improve the productivity of of humans who who um build things with their hands or do things with their hands like plum, you know, literally welding, electrical work, plumbing, anything that’s that’s physically moving atoms. Um like cooking food or um you know farming or or like like anything that’s that’s physical uh those jobs will exist for a much longer time.

  70. Chicago says:

    Dedicated to No One (WTF? Edition):

    The 2010’s called. They want their policies back.

    New York City Comptroller Brad Lander is urging three of the city’s pension funds to drop BlackRock Inc. because of “inadequate” climate plans, the latest move to penalize investment firms for failing to tackle global warming.

    The guidance to reject BlackRock, the city’s largest money manager overseeing $42.3 billion of index funds for the pensions, follows a review of the firm’s efforts to press companies to decarbonize. Lander said Wednesday he’s also asking plan trustees to terminate much smaller mandates with Fidelity Investments and PanAgora Asset Management.

    BlackRock has scaled back “climate engagement in ways that put our investments at risk needlessly,” Lander said in a phone interview. “Climate risk is financial risk. You can see it all around you in increased number of flash floods and wildfires.”

  71. Dark Phoenix says:

    Who in their right mind would want to be a physician assistant when they could be Marjorie Taylor, Greene, work five years, and collected $180,000 a year pension for life?

    knock yourself out.

  72. Fabius Maximus says:

    “I would not be surprised if some Saudi money made it into Jim Bidens bank accounts.”

    Difference here is that we know $2 Billion ended up in Jareds accountst. Dont let that get in the way of your Hunter Hardon.

  73. Juice Box says:

    Fab – As if that money was sitting in his personal savings and investment account?

    The Saudi investment fund put the money in Affinity Partners in 2021. Who was the President then?

    You do know that has paid off right for the Saudi investment fund? Affinity Partners announced a $55 billion deal to take the video game company Electronic Arts (EA) private in a LBO.

    The Saudis are probably very happy with their returns.

  74. The Great Pumpkin says:

    BTC back over 90K. Scared money, doesn’t make money. Only a matter of time before crypto goes off..

  75. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Remember what I said at the bottom….never fails. They will keep waiting, thinking this is a dead cat bounce. They will get left behind and buy back higher.

  76. Juice Box says:

    Phoenix – you are getting worse than Ex.

    5 years of service in Congress entitles you to a $8,717 annual pension beginning at age 62. That would begin 11 years from now as she is only 51. If she stayed onto the end of her term 6 years of service and and was voted out she would be entitled to a bit more.

    $174,000 (High-3 Salary) x 6 (Years of Service) x 0.017 (Accrual Rate) = $17,748 per year

    Nancy Pelosi will begin collecting approximately $120,000 annual pension as soon a she retires. BTW she is also entitled to Social Security benefits too.

  77. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Grim,

    Run for Congress….that’s a sick pension.

    Will Trump forego his pension? Big shot, do it.

  78. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – But you told me to buy Bitcoin at $126,000 only last month….

    I sold my house and emptied out my 401k and IRA and sold blood to buy six bitcoins. Now I am down $226,800 on my $756,000 investment for those six bitcoins….

    When can I expect it to come back? Can you tell me when I should sell? I have to feed my kids and the even the dog is looking at me funny now that we are living out of our car.

  79. Dark Phoenix says:

    JB

    I stand corrected. Someone told me that I didn’t check it.

  80. VSG says:

    No government, no welfare state looks like Somalia.

    Boomer is hardcore socialist with Universal Healthcare for 65 yr olds, Social Security, property taxes exempt and bailouts for Argentina.

  81. VSG says:

    Boomer shows solidarity with robots but not with young people

  82. Fabius Maximus says:

    “The released Epstien files, after being sanitized”

    Did you ever consider the possibility that the reason Donnie doesnt want the full files released is that he loses his leverage of those that are in it!

  83. White Trash Eddie says:

    Boomer is hardcore socialist with Universal Healthcare for 65 yr olds, Social Security…

    B1tch all you want, have it… just keep working and paying for my eventual coverage. I’ll no doubt contribute to conservative causes knowing you’re working to fund them. Lol!

  84. 3b says:

    DFens: I don’t buy that, if AI destroys white collar jobs, then there will be less people able to pay the goods and services offered by blue collar workers, such as carpenters, plumbers, electricians, etc.

  85. 3b says:

    Fast: I think the jury is out at this point on how smart Gen Z as a whole is.

  86. 3b says:

    VSG: I may sure there are Boomers with universally health care, that might need it, hard working all their lives , but still of modest means. Perhaps, even someone in your family, or someone you know.

    And, I believe at one point you informed us you pay 4k for your suits, so it really should not be an issue for you, paying for Boomer universal health care.

  87. Fast Eddie says:

    3b,

    The math and reading scores are not in the basement, they’re below the foundation. Their executive functioning skills are void, attention to detail is gone, attention span is gone, problem solving and inference abilities are lacking, they can’t read, write or do math at grade level so… ??

  88. Ex says:

    2:39 and yet here you are stealing oxygen on the daily

  89. chicagofinance says:

    Unlike you where the answer is 30 seconds…… “oh chit!”

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    November 26, 2025 at 1:25 pm
    BTC back over 90K. Scared money, doesn’t make money. Only a matter of time before crypto goes off..

  90. No One says:

    Chi,
    There are some government controlled investors who want their managers to proselytize for ESG (mostly E and S, to be honest) and there are other investors who are firing the managers who do so. Oklahoma government pension plans fired their anti-fossil-fuel signatory asset managers.
    Eventually governments may make investment managers pick their customer affiliations, can’t serve both.
    I remember at peak woke some ESG “experts” were going to refuse to invest in any company that didn’t have LGBTQ+ representation among executives. 1) How are they supposed to find out? 2)Anyone can declare themselves bisexual without changing a single thing they do. 3)Karen the Chief People Officer can just play a little grab-ass before checking ISS’ box.

  91. chicagofinance says:

    quite plausible…… the whole thing remains a mystery…. maybe a family member or business connection implicated…… or maybe a “me too”, not relative to Epstein, but rather something (multiple) that he has done with a Stormy Daniels-sytle NDA. I think that is more likely.

    Fabius Maximus says:
    November 26, 2025 at 2:10 pm
    “The released Epstien files, after being sanitized”

    Did you ever consider the possibility that the reason Donnie doesnt want the full files released is that he loses his leverage of those that are in it!

  92. chicagofinance says:

    Way smart, but no motor…..

    3b says:
    November 26, 2025 at 2:29 pm
    Fast: I think the jury is out at this point on how smart Gen Z as a whole is.

  93. No One says:

    South Park covered the white collar apocalypse and handyman millionaire rise a couple years ago.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc1_AY7mufM

  94. chicagofinance says:

    Short leap to BDS-Israel……

    No One says:
    November 26, 2025 at 2:55 pm
    I remember at peak woke some ESG “experts” were going to refuse to invest in any company that didn’t have LGBTQ+ representation among executives. 1) How are they supposed to find out? 2)Anyone can declare themselves bisexual without changing a single thing they do. 3)Karen the Chief People Officer can just play a little grab-ass before checking ISS’ box.

  95. Fabius Maximus says:

    “As if that money was sitting in his personal savings and investment account?”

    Sorry, I didn’t realize that if it was not a personal account it wasn’t a bribe or a payoff. Even if it is out in the open.

    I must rememeber that if I am ever talking to my Compliance department.

  96. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Juice,

    Lol….chill. You will be fine.

    On the real, this was just a normal quick fire-sale opportunity. Understand they are never going to make it easy to hold. If you can’t handle swings, then stick boring assets. If you want to make serious, price to pay, it’s not going to be easy.

    And please do not ever call someone who made money off crypto as lucky. That chit is earned. Hard as f’k to make it here.

  97. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Understand this technology and market is still new like AI. Price discovery is a real thing. These aren’t mature established industries where you can apply fundamentals….it’s all unknown, hence, the opportunity.

    Do doubt in my mind that AI and crypto are the most important areas to invest right now. They are the future.

    How do you know you are early? People like you still mock crypto as a joke. They do the same chit with AI…it’s a bubble blah blah. No one calls bubbles…let’s be serious. When everyone is calling it a bubble, you are early my friend. It will keep running on them.

  98. Fabius Maximus says:

    ” I won’t say 100% but a large percentage ” – Based on what?

    “apparently he never visited Epstein island, but he could have been to Epstein s town house in NYC”- I am sure there are many places he could have been. Any Evidence beyond we know that Bill traveled regularly to 125th street in Manhattan which is only so many blocks from the town house.

    But then you come out with this:
    “That is the comment for when they are released”

    So which is it, wait and see or wild speculation on what you would love to see.

  99. The Great Pumpkin says:

    They will SHAKE YOU OUT, before they RUN EVERYTHING UP. You know how many people just got shaken out of their crypto positions? It is what it is…instead of mocking the swings, take advantage if you have the discipline, no emotions, and balls of steel. This game is not for the weak or emotional. If you cry about losing money like Lib, stay the fuck away. Your emotions will destroy you here. You can’t be afraid to lose money to make it.

  100. No One says:

    chi,
    Jake DeGrom hated living in NY playing for the Mets, based on family sources I heard from in small-town Florida, he felt about this place about like John Rocker infamously did a couple decades earlier, so I’m sure he’s delighted he’s out of that place and in Texas. Probably told Nimmo how great it is to be out of that place. A once great city, spiraling downward.

  101. No One says:

    “Volatility is Satoshi’s gift to the faithful” -Michael Saylor
    So bitcoin is just for the faithful?

  102. The Great Pumpkin says:

    No one,

    Some truth in that. The only people that could have held BTC on its entire run up are the faithful. Their faith has been tested like no other, over and over. Hats off to those individuals. Truly amazing.

  103. The Great Pumpkin says:

    That’s why I said BTC under 100k is completely free. 82k was a deal, but only few had the skills to buy. A lot of them TA guys were waiting for their 75k or lower….just not going to happen for them. It wouldn’t even surprise me if they try one more sweep to 76k (quick wick) to f’k with these TA guys. I believe up from here, but you never know.

  104. 3b says:

    Chgo: You may be right, have not made up my mind completely yet. Don’t want to paint with a broad brush. But one thing I will say say is that many appear to be very unhappy, or melancholy. I don’t know if some of that comes from parents, or perhaps from the dreary messaging they have received over the late 2 decades.

  105. 3b says:

    Two National Guardsmen were shot and killed this afternoon in Washington DC. The suspect is in custody.

  106. 3b says:

    Actually there are conflicting accounts as to whether or not the Guardsmen have died.

  107. Ex says:

    God bless our Great National Guard, and all of our Military and Law Enforcement. These are truly Great People. I, as President of the United States, and everyone associated with the Office of the Presidency, am with you!”

    Trump was at his West Palm Beach golf course when the shooting took place.

  108. JUice Box says:

    Fab – “Based on what?”

    Poltical donations. Company he kept? People who were invited to his home, on his flight logs?

    There is also lots of data the DOJ does not have held by lawyers.

    https://www.wpbf.com/article/florida-epstein-attorney-black-book-secret-tapes-client-list/65384225

  109. 3b says:

    Juice: Protecting big name donors to the party. It makes perfect sense.

  110. Ex says:

    Or here is Eddie/Gary’s old lady:

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CKaFArhAuTC/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

    No wonder he wants another job.

  111. Dark Phoenix says:

    In my best Gomer Pyle voice

    surprise, surprise, surprise.

    NEW YORK — Members of the New York City Fire Department and union leaders held an emergency rally in Manhattan on Monday afternoon over the discovery of previously undisclosed records about ground zero.

    They are demanding answers after it was revealed that first responders were exposed to toxins on 9/11 that the city knew about but never shared.

    Officials say 68 previously undisclosed boxes containing information on the 9/11 toxins were found after legislation was ordered demanding a probe into what and when the city knew about toxins at ground zero.

    Union officials say the information in those documents contained critical “life-and-death” data.

    Officials say the documents prove city leaders at the time of the attack were aware there was asbestos in the air, but intentionally hid the information.

  112. 3b says:

    Ex: Go back under your rock. Sniveling angry little old stoner, supported by his wife. because he crashed and burned out of Wall Street. He could not take the stress. Spends his days smoking pot and visiting men’s bathrooms in restaurants areas. What a loser.

  113. VSG says:

    for sure smarter than the Boomer generation

    3b says:
    November 26, 2025 at 2:29 pm
    Fast: I think the jury is out at this point on how smart Gen Z as a whole is.

  114. VSG says:

    It was different tune when law enforcement was attacked on Jan 6

    Ex says:
    November 26, 2025 at 4:36 pm
    God bless our Great National Guard, and all of our Military and Law Enforcement. These are truly Great People. I, as President of the United States, and everyone associated with the Office of the Presidency, am with you!”

    Trump was at his West Palm Beach golf course when the shooting took place.

  115. very loose anus says:

    Ex says:
    November 26, 2025 at 11:36 am
    11:26 because time …. Time with family especially is something you can never replace.
    No one dies thinking “ I wish I spent more time at work” except possibly ‘you’ .

    Its a shame your wife has to work so hard to support you and can ‘t spend time with the family like you.

  116. 3b says:

    VSG: Typical response for you, everything is absolutist.

  117. The Great Pumpkin says:

    2018:
    Harvard University says Bitcoin is more likely to hit $100 than $100,000

    2025:
    Harvard University buys $442 million Bitcoin

    Everyone gets the price they deserve..

  118. VSG says:

    Freedom is not the absence of taxes.
    Freedom is the absence of fear

  119. VSG says:

    You against law enforcement during a coup d’état?

    3b says:
    November 26, 2025 at 6:36 pm
    VSG: Typical response for you, everything is absolutist.

  120. Ex says:

    6:32 shocking, isn’t it?

  121. 3b says:

    VSG: Never said that. Like I said absolutist.

  122. The Great Pumpkin says:

    BREAKING: Bitcoin extends gains and rises above $91,500, now up +14% since the November 21st low.

  123. Juice Box says:

    Gobble Gobble you Turkeys….

    Getting off easy today no cooking for me.

  124. Chicago says:

    Happy Thanksgiving

  125. 3b says:

    Happy Thanksgiving to all. Enjoy the day with your families/ friends.

  126. Ex says:

    Eat my bird. It’s only a swallow.

  127. Dark Phoenix says:

    Happy Thanksgiving.

    Be careful when shopping, and keep your trap shut. For your pleasure here is a free (non PPV) awesome view of ‘murica.

    toodles

    https://www.reddit.com/r/YNNews/comments/1p7php7/white_guy_says_nword_in_the_wrong_mall/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

  128. Dark Phoenix says:

    For better or worse, for richer or poorer.

    Russia’s New War Grifters—‘Black Widows’ Duping Soldiers Into Marriage
    Authorities say women are marrying servicemen in attempt to get death payouts that go to their families

  129. Dark Phoenix says:

    Trained by CIA, given asylum by Trump.

    ‘murican made. Like Ford or Chevy.

    We never belonged in Afghanistan. Who wanted us there?

    Suspect Lakanwal arrived in America in 2021 as part of the disastrous US withdrawal in Afghanistan after serving as an ally of Special Forces troops in his CIA-backed ‘Zero Unit.’

    He applied for asylum in 2024 after his temporary visa lapsed, and in April 2025, it was granted by the Trump administration.

  130. Chicago says:

    Did you see its pecker?

    Ex says:
    November 27, 2025 at 10:48 am
    Eat my bird. It’s only a swallow.

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