Case Shiller Dips

From Housingwire:

Case-Shiller data shows real home price returns turned negative in 2025

Annual home price growth continued to cool at the end of 2025, according to the S&P Cotality Case-Shiller Index released on Tuesday. 

The national home price index came in at a reading of 327.36 in December, reflecting a 1.3% year-over-year increase, down from the 1.4% yearly increase recorded in November. On a monthly basis, prior to seasonal adjustment, the national index was down 0.3%. 

According to the release, inflation outpaced home price growth throughout the second half of 2025, reversing a decade-long trend of positive real returns on home prices. Overall, national home prices grew just 1.3% in 2025, marking the weakest full-year gain since 2011, when prices dropped 3.9%. Additionally, this is 5.3 percentage points below the 6.6% 10-year annual average. 

“Two structural forces have reshaped the market over recent years: mortgage rates and inflation. The 30-year mortgage rate closed 2025 at 6.2%, well above the 4.8% 10-year average and a sharp contrast to the 3.9% average that prevailed from 2016 through 2020,” Nicholas Godec, the head of fixed income tradables and commodities at S&P Dow Jones Indices, said in a statement. “ Meanwhile, annual inflation for 2025 came in at 2.7% — modestly below the 3.1% 10-year average — but still outpaced home price appreciation by 1.4 percentage points, effectively eroding real home values for most owners. This marks a notable reversal: Over the prior decade, national home prices outpaced inflation by 3.7 percentage points annually, a dynamic that has quietly reversed, with real home price returns turning negative in June 2025.”

The 10-city index also recorded slower annual home price growth in December, jumping 1.9% on a yearly basis to 357.32, while the 20-city index rose 1.4% year-over-year, the same as a month prior, to a reading of 336.89. Prior to seasonal adjustment, both indexes were down 0.1% month-over-month. 

Of the 20 cities indexed, Chicago reported the highest annual price gain at 5.3% in December, followed by New York (5.1%) and Cleveland (4.0%). At the other end of the spectrum, Tampa reported the largest annual decline dropping 2.85%, followed by Denver (-2.06%) and Phoenix (-1.53%). 

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143 Responses to Case Shiller Dips

  1. No One says:

    Home prices falling would be good for many. High prices also lead to more property taxes.
    State of the Union speech too long.

  2. hughesrep says:

    Low energy, sad.

  3. Libturd says:

    Everybody enjoy the show last night?

  4. Chicago says:

    Didn’t watch a single second of it.

  5. Chicago says:

    Ten 405

  6. Juice Box says:

    Fab you don’t get to mix and match civil and criminal matters. Immigration is a civil matter and the fact is Garcia had an order for deportation signed by a judge. The fact he is still here is because the Judge did not do his job, and cut him loose, and put him in legal limbo for the rest of his life. As I have been saying all along Congress needs to update our Immigration laws again. We cannot have people roaming our streets who cannot legally work, pay taxes and support the system. It’s wrong at every level and they are being treated unfairly by our Congress and being taken advantage of by business owners who illegally don’t pay taxes to support the system either.

  7. Dark Phoenix says:

    I figured, why not try this to see if it was funny. Then the censorship kicked in:

    make a small speech by trump promoting Roundup and the cancer it causes

    Sorry, I can’t help with that request.

    ChatGPT

    President Donald Trump recently invoked special wartime authorities to boost the production of glyphosate, a widely used weedkiller. No one wants America to become overly reliant on foreign pesticides, but this is the wrong way to go about ensuring stability for American agriculture.

  8. Dark Phoenix says:

    If you locked up the business owners, the problem would have gone away by itself.

    But business owners pad politician pockets. Your government is bought and paid for.

    You put a cookie out on the counter, than punish the kid for wanting to eat it.

    We cannot have people roaming our streets who cannot legally work, pay taxes and support the system. It’s wrong at every level and they are being treated unfairly by our Congress and being taken advantage of by business owners who illegally don’t pay taxes to support the system either.

  9. Dark Phoenix says:

    The drug dealers are only giving them what they want:

    Trey Radel (U.S. Representative, R-FL): Convicted in 2013 for misdemeanor possession of cocaine after attempting to purchase it from an undercover officer.
    Thomas Ravenel (State Treasurer, R-SC): Convicted in 2007 on federal cocaine distribution charges; he resigned his post and served time in federal prison.
    Tony Arquiett (County Legislator, D-NY): Arrested in 2021 following a car crash on charges of cocaine possession and driving while intoxicated.
    Aaron Hawkins (State Senate Candidate, D-FL): Arrested in 2024 for the sale and possession of psilocybin (mushrooms) and marijuana bars.
    Glen Casada (Former House Speaker, R-TN): While primarily convicted for corruption, evidence from his 2025 trial included texts regarding cocaine use inside state office buildings; he received a presidential pardon in Novembe

  10. Dark Phoenix says:

    Only ones that drop out are the ones that SUCK.

    Dr. Means has said she dropped out of her surgical residency in 2018 because she was frustrated and alarmed that she was cutting people open instead of understanding why they were sick in the first place.

    “The system is rigged against the American patient to create diseases and then profit off of them,” Dr. Means said on Tucker Carlson’s podcast.

    Casey Means, Critic of Mainstream Medicine, Poised to Become Nation’s Top Doctor
    Dr. Means, a wellness influencer and President Trump’s nominee for surgeon general, will appear before a Senate committee Wednesday.

  11. JUice Box says:

    Lol 22 acres, these people think this makes a dent? There are data centers now being built that will be the size of Manhattan.

    Local authorities in New Brunswick, New Jersey, voted on Wednesday against allowing the construction of a data center on a plot of land slated for redevelopment, instead requiring that a park be built on the site.

    The New Brunswick City Council was evaluating a proposal concerning the Jersey-Sandford redevelopment area, an approximately 22-acre site located on the southeastern side of Jersey Avenue between Sandford Street and Mitchell Avenue.

    Looks like a Dump next to the train tracks.

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/Sandford+St,+New+Brunswick,+NJ+08901/@40.4848716,-74.4636189,777m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x89c3c65f9549660f:0xfefc3e7e08027be9!8m2!3d40.4850775!4d-74.4516505!16s%2Fg%2F1td6t54t?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDIyMi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

    But fierce opposition to a proposal for a 27,000 sq ft (2,508 sqm) data center led the council to amend the original proposal, removing language that would have made data centers a permitted use.

    A video about the data center’s rejection was posted by Climate Revolution NJ, an environmental organization that helped coordinate the public response to the proposal. It has racked up more than 300,000 likes since being posted on Thursday.

    “This is what it looks like when communities fight back against big tech and their billionaire private equity backers,” reads the caption.

  12. RentL0rd says:

    Unlike coal or refineries, these inference engines can be located anywhere.

    Imagine this giant alien creature with tentacles sucking energy out of communities from the sky and feeding its mother ship. Then multiply that with many such giant aliens creatures aka data centers.

    At least the local water and energy resources of New Brunswick will be better off without these creatures.

  13. 3b says:

    Juice I am surprised NB turned down the data center. That would have been a big rateable for the town.

  14. Dark Phoenix says:

    I’d be more surprised if you wanted one in your town.

    3b says:
    February 25, 2026 at 9:23 am
    Juice I am surprised NB turned down the data center. That would have been a big rateable for the town.

  15. 3b says:

    Fab: You of all people talking about hyper focused. I am hyper focused on the Dems because they present themselves as the adult, rational alternative to the Republicans well they are not.

    And I have criticized the Repubs in the past, you can go back and find comments if you want,I know you like that. And I note that you have never criticized the Dems. I called you on that fact once a couple of years ago I believe (you can go back and check that too), and you replied that you would criticize them when they do something to be criticized for. Now that is blind devotion and denial .

  16. 3b says:

    Dark; It would be as surprising as you actually not being so miserable every day. Just saying.

  17. Dark Phoenix says:

    How many American tax dollars are going to pay for the Hospital ship in Greenland?

    How many penguins needed medical care?

  18. Dark Phoenix says:

    Not everyone wants to sell their soul for the almighty dollar.

    A concept you can’t grasp.

    I applaud NB for blocking/attempting to block something in their town if they don’t want it. You think they should take it up the ass for a dollar.

    Those with money don’t want these things in their town for a dollar, or any amount.

    So why do you think NB should want one? Cause they are desperate? Or are they subhuman compared to the souls in your town?

    3b says:
    February 25, 2026 at 9:32 am
    Dark; It would be as surprising as you actually not being so miserable every day. Just saying.

    3b says:
    February 25, 2026 at 9:23 am
    Juice I am surprised NB turned down the data center. That would have been a big rateable for the town.

  19. Dark Phoenix says:

    Tesla employs 100,000 people

    BYD employs 120,000 engineers.

  20. Libturd says:

    When the rolling blackouts start, and they will, you will think twice about locating a data center in your town.

  21. Chicago says:

    Why would NB be against using a piece of crap swath of land and convert it to a useful function. All the while not adding to population density.

    Sounds like a win, win, win, win scenario.

    Stupid greens and scaremongers fucked over a community.

    New Jersey should have as many data centers as possible because we don’t want more people. We have plenty. We need ratables and jobs.

  22. 3b says:

    Dark: Again with your reading into comments.

    I never said I supported data centers in NJ, or my town or anywhere else. I don’t know why you put words in my mouth.

    I made a simple observation that I was surprised NB turned it down. Specifically, because of the city’s fiscal challenges. It was an observation, part of a conversation nothing more.

  23. Juice Box says:

    We are a net importer of electricity in NJ, about 40% of our power and our prices are the 9th highest energy costs in the nation. We actually took offline 3,000 megawatts of power generation in NJ since 2018.

    They should not be building data centers here for that reason alone..

  24. Chad Powers says:

    I didn’t see the SOTU address, but I did read a couple of articles about it. Calling out Pelosi on insider trading was pretty good. She and her husband have been probably two of the best stock pickers ever with incredibly good timing.

  25. SmallGovConservative says:

    Chicago says:
    February 25, 2026 at 10:09 am
    “Why would NB be against using a piece of crap swath of land and convert it to a useful function…”

    Same reason AOC/NYC was against Amazon locating HQ2 in the city — incompetent Democrats who hate law-abiding, tax-paying citizens. If someone proposed building a city-funded hotel to house illegal immigrants on that piece of land, it would be approved tomorrow.

  26. Libturd says:

    Among the hundreds of lies during the Trump show last night, one sticks out as really, really non-sensical. In Trump’s uncouth fashion, he mentions to a roaring applause, that Mamdani is requiring two forms of ID and your Social Security card to shovel, but nothing is required to vote. I don’t see what the two have to do with each other. One is to apply for a temporary job where you will be paid and taxes will be withheld. Of course you need the ID and SS number like any other job.

    The two issues should not be conflated. But this is MAGA where sense does not matter and lying is not just ignored, but promoted.

    Also, the Biden inflation was as much caused by Trump as it was by Biden as he started with the Covid checks. And the inflation was NOT the worst in U.S. history. But see above.

  27. Libturd says:

    Chad. True on Pelosi to which I’ve been complaining ad infinitum. What’s your take on the DJT SPACS and Coins?

  28. 3b says:

    Juice: Murphy and his hair brain green energy ideas, probably not much different than Sherill although she says otherwise.

  29. RentL0rd says:

    What do we need big ai data centers?

    To build better models.

    And once the new LLM is built it will start being that new agent replacing a human. About 1 agent for every 10 humans, by some predictions.

    And these agents pay no taxes. But that’s okay according to Sam Altman – afterall, they are cheaper than educating and raising a human for 18 – 24 years “wasting” resources.

    And Musk is looking at a society that is on universal aka communist pay.

    Where are the guardrails?

  30. R3nt says:

    *Why, not what

  31. 3b says:

    Lib: I don’t disagree on your analysis of the Trump show last night. I do disagree on the Covid checks those were extraordinary times and any President would have done the same.

    Biden also sent out a third round of stimulus checks. As for the snow shoveling ID thing you are absolutely right. That said I don’t see what the issue is to have voter ID cards most western countries have them.

  32. Chicago says:

    Sherrill needs to reverse the green initiatives.

    Oyster Creek needs to be recommissioned. Salem needs to be enhanced. Natural gas needs to be sourced if not fracked, although we have limited opportunities.

  33. 3b says:

    The Altman comments were chilling. Soylent green is people.

  34. Juice Box says:

    Our former governor bet heavily on wind. It was a loosing bet and there was no plan B.
    $1 Billion in taxpayer dollars spent. $600 million for an unused port in southern jersey. Another $250 million to develop an unused monopile manufacturing facility, and lots of other taxpayer funded giveaways for the utilities.

    What do we have today? A total of six land based wind turbines in Atlantic City that were built 20 years ago. Not even one wind turbine went up under or former Governor. Anyone here thinks the current Governor is going to do things any better? Electricity prices are up 31% and will continue to rise..

    My plan B is to get out…

  35. Chad Powers says:

    Lib,
    Trump shouldn’t be in that business as President, period. It really doesn’t make sense does it?

    ——————

    Libturd says:
    February 25, 2026 at 10:22 am
    Chad. True on Pelosi to which I’ve been complaining ad infinitum. What’s your take on the DJT SPACS and Coins?

  36. Chicago says:

    “Biden inflation” although frequently miscast, is truthfully related to the Inflation Reduction Act, which was a cynical, awful and a wholly unnecessary bribe to constituents, while handing money to cronies. Really Trump does this in his sleep. But that said, the Biden version was extraordinarily expensive and broadly, damaging to the economy on top of being horribly inefficient and wracked with fraud. So in intent, I don’t think that I make a differentiation between Trump and Biden, but I do think that in result, what Biden did was possibly the worst thing we’ve seen in recent history.

  37. aj says:

    NJ energy….Just wait until NJ residents start getting this month’s energy bills in the mail, it was one of the coldest month’s on record and many will likely see their biggest bill ever, by far.

  38. Juice Box says:

    Chi – “Sherrill needs to reverse the green initiatives. What green? We have less solar than before now, and no wind. She isn’t making the Wind mistake so far, but has all her eggs in the solar basket now.

    Community solar, they want to put solar panels on all the housing projects!!! Also unproven agrivoltaics….solar panels on farms!! Hahah…

    Sherrils goal is to add 750 megawatts of solar each year. Let’s do some math..

    2,857 panels, each rated at 350 watts, to achieve one megawatt of power. So about 2.2 million panels a year need to be made in China, container-load quantities at say $50 a panel…plus needed hardware inverters, mounts and labor? What is that cost? Say bid it out to install those 2.2 million panels on state land perhaps $200 million a year? Sounds ok, but we want battery storage too…Another $200 million a year? So we are going to fund $400 million a year to add 750 megawatts of peak daytime power?

    You also need 5,500 acres of land to install those 2.2 million panels. 5,500 acres each year.. Where are they going to get that? Lop down all the state forests? You cannot put solar panels on top of trees..

    Also our Govenor is trying the tell the Board of Public Utilities no more prices increases are allowed. That is going to get tossed in court.

    We are screwed. How do I know this? I was in PA last weekend they are firing up electric plants there left and right. 16 GW of Natural Gas electrical generation plants coming online soon, all that power will be zipped across the Delaware for a price. There is something like $100 Billion in power generation investments happening right now in Pennsylvania.

  39. Dark Phoenix says:

    Mama gonna be mad.

    aj says:
    February 25, 2026 at 10:48 am
    NJ energy….Just wait until NJ residents start getting this month’s energy bills in the mail, it was one of the coldest month’s on record and many will likely see their biggest bill ever, by far.

  40. Dark Phoenix says:

    don’t think that I make a differentiation between Trump and Biden, but I do think that in result, what Biden did was possibly the worst thing we’ve seen in recent history.

    Well, I’m not sure what recent is,
    But Afghanistan and Iraq were pretty pricey.
    Iran is going to have a cost as well.

  41. Libturd says:

    Chicago,

    Oyster Creek is gone. They completely leveled it. It looks more like Riverton than a former power plant.

    Truth be told, it’s hard to pay off major party contributors through nuclear. Much easier to pay them off through bullshit wind and solar contracts.

  42. RentL0rd says:

    10:41 – the difference – and a big one, is that Biden’s Inflation Act benefited all Americans while steering away from catastrophic affects of Trump 1.0’s covid affects. Remember the economy was in free fall when T1.0 left.

    And T2.0 ‘s pumping of money is exclusively for himself and his boys – at the expense of the next generation and the average American.

  43. Dark Phoenix says:

    Calling out Pelosi on insider trading was pretty good. She and her husband have been probably two of the best stock pickers ever with incredibly good timing.

    You are right. It’s like she has a username and password for Pegasus and Cellebrite.

  44. Libturd, semi serious says:

    “ About 1 agent for every 10 humans, by some predictions.”

    I wonder if we could build Indian farms?

    The day I was let go, five openings in India for what I do were posted!

  45. Dark Phoenix says:

    China is the undisputed global leader in the solar panel industry, achieving dominance through massive government investment, strategic industrial policy, and unmatched manufacturing scale.
    From AI Gemini:

    Key Indicators of Success
    Market Dominance: China controls over 80% of the global supply chain for solar technology, including roughly 97% of the world’s solar wafers and 85% of final panel assembly.
    Cost Leadership: Chinese manufacturing has driven global solar panel prices down by over 80% to 90% since 2010. This has made solar the cheapest source of new electricity in many parts of the world.
    Deployment Scale: In 2023 alone, China installed 217 gigawatts (GW) of new solar—more than the entire world installed in 2022. By mid-2025, its total capacity surpassed 1,100 GW.
    Technological Innovation: Leading Chinese firms regularly set world records for efficiency. For example, Longi has unveiled solar cells with conversion efficiencies exceeding 24.8%.

  46. Dark Phoenix says:

    Now contrast that with America. Can’t make a truck transmission anymore.

    You wanna know the funny part? The recall involves going to the dealership to get the transmission reprogrammed. What is that? Oh, the reprogramming is to tell the display in front of you that your transmission is in trouble and has less than 10k miles before it will blow up.

    I shit you not.

    Hey dude, this is me, your GM transmission buddy. Just wanna let you know, the upcoming failure is almost here. Hope you have been saving your pennies. Our service department will be sending you a 10 percend discount coupon for your 9k transmission replacement. 😁

    GM truck owners have reported widespread issues with 8-speed (8L90/8L45) and 10-speed (10L80/10L90) automatic transmissions, primarily in 2019–present Silverado and Sierra models. Common symptoms include severe shuddering, jerking, delayed acceleration, harsh shifting, and sudden transmission failure. These issues are often caused by torque converter defects and valve body wear.

  47. Juice Box says:

    3B – Sam Altman is about to become irrelevant. OpenAI is headed for an explosive bankruptcy estimates are next year. Their cash burn is expected to be $14 billion this year alone. Where is the revenue? Unsustainable model because of a small amount of conversions from free to paying customers.

    Elon was at least smart enough to roll the losses of Grok AI and twitter into Space X which is a cash cow headed for an IPO. He did this because AI subscriptions simply do not generate enough revenue to pay for all the hardware and electricity needed to run it.

    Apple was the smart one here. They did not burn tens of billions to the AI gods. They figured out early on the AI hardware buildout alone would require perhaps a subscription model of around $30 a user per month per Apple device to pay for it. So they won by really doing nothing. Now they are licensing Google AI for only $1 Billion a year and are going to use Gemeni to power SIRI.

    Kaboom sooner or later unless Microsoft bails them out. I have a feeling they would rather pick up the OpenAI licensing in a bankruptcy court.

  48. Libturd says:

    Often first adopters pay for the remainder.

  49. Dark Phoenix says:

    “Had a 2023 diesel tahoe bought new with 24,000 miles lock up on the freeway at 75mph towing a trailer. 25′ skid marks. Almost went off the road. On the way to the dealership, locked up again. This time, catastrophic break down… Blew the rear differential apart. Got it towed to the dealership. 0 fluid left in the car when it came off the tow truck. Dealership telling me no repairs and no parts… after speaking with GM multiple times, was told I’d be bumped up to top priority cuz this vehicle runs my business. I asked what that meant with repairs… they said no fix and no eta on parts… Absolutely ridiculous !! It’s 7/20/25.”

    “GM has went from cylinder deactivation to permanent engine deactivation and now transmission deactivation. We’ve never saved so much fuel. Very effective.
    I guess we now how they turned those great profits in 2024.”

    “Biggest reason I was done with GM products, they don’t upgrade faulty parts. They just replace with the same faulty parts until the warranty period expires.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8DZsQcgc9A&t=29s

  50. Juice Box says:

    Lib – “The day I was let go, five openings in India for what I do were posted!”

    Yup they are getting off cheap with 5. The ratio of India to US salaries are generally 10x.

  51. Dark Phoenix says:

    This is very American. It’s capitalism. Both Democraps and Repubs love it.

    Everyone in America is fine with outsourcing jobs and getting rich from it until their job is outsourced, they aren’t working, and lose their health insurance.

    Juice Box says:
    February 25, 2026 at 11:21 am
    Lib – “The day I was let go, five openings in India for what I do were posted!”

    Yup they are getting off cheap with 5. The ratio of India to US salaries are generally 10x.

  52. Dark Phoenix says:

    If you have a 10-Speed General Motors or “Allison” (It’s not an Allison, they paid to license the brand name) transmission, you likely know about the major recall that was issued over the rear axle locking up at high rates of speed; a highly dangerous problem. Can you imagine towing a fifth wheel and the rear axle locking up? You don’t have to, because here’s a video:

    They have publicly stated that the best they can do is provide a software update that monitors pressure and puts the vehicle into a “failsafe mode” before the rear axle can lock up. This does not fix the problem, it simply masks the symptom with limp-mode.

    Worst of all, the “updated valve body” they claim to be releasing also does not appear to fix the problem. How do we know? We sourced one from an insider and disassembled it, only to find nominal changes that did not directly impact the problem.

  53. Juice Box says:

    Phoenix – If Trump had a tariff on what Lib does well he might still have a job.

    Labor arbitrage exists because well not enough tarrifs for one. U.S. Section 301 duties, has been used to force firms to abandon cheaper labor markets. But not nearly enough it’s an arduous process and guess what we still import all our solar panels from Asia. All that talk about US Solar manufacturing? Well congress had to flood them with money under the Inflation Reduction Act just to keep what little we have left.
    Congress can protect jobs they choose not to because they are bought and paid for.

    But noooo Orange Man bad!!!

  54. RentL0rd says:

    An ai agent currently costs about $20K / year. Anthropic may soon release an “Indian IT worker” plugin for less to stay competitive.

  55. Dark Phoenix says:

    3b would say

    I am surprised Minnesota turned down the copper mine. That would have been a big rateable for the area.

    If you paddle far enough into the Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness in Minnesota, the noise of the modern world falls away. In its place, you hear the call of a loon, the slap of a beaver’s tail and a silence that has remained unchanged since the glaciers receded.

    For those of us who hunt, fish and love the outdoors, the Boundary Waters is 1.1 million acres of the most pristine backcountry on the planet — the kind of place where you drink water straight from the lake and track white-tailed deer through woods that have never known a saw.

    But in Washington, the Senate this week is expected to vote on a resolution that would pave the way for a Chilean conglomerate to turn much of this paradise into an industrial zone. The resolution proposes an unprecedented use of the Congressional Review Act (CRA) that would dismantle the last remaining safeguards against a massive mining project in the wilderness’s headwaters.

  56. Dark Phoenix says:

    Juice Box says:
    February 25, 2026 at 11:35 am
    Phoenix – If Trump had a tariff on what Lib does well he might still have a job.

    But doesn’t this go against Ayn Rand’s teachings?

  57. Dark Phoenix says:

    The American model is that humans are just a commodity.

    They must teach that in all of those “Wharton” type business schools.

    Humans are just widgets. All widgets are equal

    But some widgets are more equal than others.

  58. Dark Phoenix says:

    America is such a weird place.

    A place where health insurance doesn’t pay for a dentist.

    So the person doesn’t go.

    And then they get infected. And it travels.

    So the cost of a 100 dollar teeth cleaning visit turns into a 500k hospital stay. Or death.

    Make America Great Again, Less bombs to Iran, more dentists to Americans.

    This is exactly what happened in two high-profile cases over the past five years. In 2007, 12-year-old Deamonte Driver (pictured above) died after bacteria from an abscessed tooth traveled to his brain. And in 2009, Kyle Willis, the nephew of musician Bootsy Collins, died after being unable to afford antibiotics to treat a tooth infection.

  59. Juice Box says:

    Phoenix towing with a Tahoe at 75 mph for his business? What was the load size? That ain’t a real truck, it does not have great towing capacity. He should have been driving an F-150…14,000 pounds towing capacity vs about 8,600 for a Tahoe.

    Differential on an F-150 mounted on a solid axel….not flexing cv type joints on a Tahoe.

  60. 3b says:

    Dark: You need a vacation or some happy pills, you are rambling on. Just an observation.

  61. Juice Box says:

    Phoenix – Ayn Rand never founded, owned, or ran a business. She was a Hollywood screenwriter, whatever books she has written should be viewed in that light more fantasy than anything close to reality.

  62. TDSHasMadeLibTerminallyStupid says:

    “Mamdani is requiring two forms of ID and your Social Security card to shovel, but nothing is required to vote. One is to apply for a temporary job where you will be paid and taxes will be withheld. Of course you need the ID and SS number like any other job.”

    So employment needs to be verified but votes don’t need to be verified?

    Idiot.

    “True on Pelosi to which I’ve been complaining ad infinitum. What’s your take on the DJT SPACS and Coins?”

    Insider trading: using privileged, non-public information for financial gain

    SPACs: Exactly the opposite, fully transparent public disclosure. That’s why you know about it dumbass.

    The fact you don’t like someone/something doesn’t make it equivalent to illegal activities.

  63. Dark Phoenix says:

    2023 Tahoe is rated at 8k.

    A small commercial backhoe like a B21 is roughly 4k. Add a trailer you are under, perfectly normal for landscapers.

    Just admit America makes garbage anymore.

    Gone are the days when the slogans were like this: “the quality goes in before the name goes on.”

  64. Dark Phoenix says:

    yet if she had a cock millions would be lined up to suck it.

    Juice Box says:
    February 25, 2026 at 11:54 am
    Phoenix – Ayn Rand never founded, owned, or ran a business. She was a Hollywood screenwriter, whatever books she has written should be viewed in that light more fantasy than anything close to reality.

  65. Dark Phoenix says:

    But Juice,
    Yeah I agree.
    Solid Axle for towing. But people want ride comfort.

    American soft tushies just can’t handle the bumps anymore.

  66. Dark Phoenix says:

    The fact that Pelosi isn’t in prison tells you all you need to know about the American Justice System.

    Oh, and throw in Coke Sniffing Biden as well. The one with the job at the Ukrainian Gas Company.

    How does Lib lose his job, but a coke sniffer has one in another country making millions? Where is the bribery/money laundering investigation?

    But we have the Black and Tan grabbing teenage girls off the streets in America.

  67. OC1 says:

    Congress can protect jobs they choose not to because they are bought and paid for.

    We should ban all factory automation and go back to building cars 100% by hand- protect those high-paying auto worker jobs!

    And don’t allow ports to automate- protect those high paying longshoreman jobs!

    Do this for enough industries and we’ll all be rich!!

  68. Dark Phoenix says:

    If a police barracks is burned or if the barracks already occupied is not suitable, then the best house in the locality is to be commandeered, the occupants thrown into the gutter. Let them die there—the more the merrier.

    Should the order (”Hands Up”) not be immediately obeyed, shoot and shoot with effect. If the persons approaching (a patrol) carry their hands in their pockets, or are in any way suspicious-looking, shoot them down. You may make mistakes occasionally and innocent persons may be shot, but that cannot be helped, and you are bound to get the right parties some time. The more you shoot, the better I will like you, and I assure you no policeman will get into trouble for shooting any man.
    —Lt. Col. Smyth, June 1920

  69. OC1 says:

    Oh, and throw in Coke Sniffing Biden as well. The one with the job at the Ukrainian Gas Company.

    How does Lib lose his job, but a coke sniffer has one in another country making millions? Where is the bribery/money laundering investigation?

    Doesn’t seem to be a lot of interest in that now that Trump’s been elected.

    When the “Biden crime family” stuff was all the rage among R’s, I said we’d know that the accusations were BS if the R’s and the DOJ lost all interest in investigating the Biden’s after Trump won.

    Still early in Trump’s term, but so far the “all BS” bet is winning.

  70. 3b says:

    American young people, Gen Z, are in what is being called China Maxing , basically they want to be culturally Chinese and live a Chinese life style. I guess it makes sense in the scheme of things.

  71. Juice Box says:

    Phoenix – Tahoe is a SUV for housewives around here. I don’t think I have ever seen a landscaper or anyone in construction driving one or towing with one.

  72. Juice Box says:

    Did the Democrats refuse the stand for the US Hockey team? Perhaps next time they should all wear dresses.

  73. Dark Phoenix says:

    I’m sure this family is happy the “perp” was chased down right into their daughter’s car.

    Edison HS Student Killed In Route 1 Crash: ‘Bright Light Full Of Kindness’
    Karla Gamero, a junior at Edison High School, was killed in a car crash on Route 1

    Just before midnight, a Woodbridge police officer conducted a motor-vehicle pursuit of a Nissan Maxima which was travelling at a high rate of speed southbound on Route 1, the Attorney General’s office said.

    A minute after the pursuit was activated, the Nissan crashed into a separate vehicle on Gill Lane.

  74. Dark Phoenix says:

    Juice Box says:
    February 25, 2026 at 12:42 pm
    Did the Democrats refuse the stand for the US Hockey team? Perhaps next time they should all wear dresses.

    When they laughed at the women’s team to appease Trump, they looked like a group of rapist frat boys.

  75. RentL0rd says:

    Did you hear what he said about the Women’s hockey team? And they gave him the finger.

  76. Dark Phoenix says:

    Juice Box says:
    February 25, 2026 at 12:29 pm
    Phoenix – Tahoe is a SUV for housewives around here. I don’t think I have ever seen a landscaper or anyone in construction driving one or towing with one.

    Agreed.
    Have seen it, but mostly for towing a boat or small camper. But that trans is in many other GM products, and is grenading at an alarming rate.

  77. OC1 says:

    Did the Democrats refuse the stand for the US Hockey team?

    Why do we even allow US athletes to compete in international events?

    All that tourism money is going to foreign countries!

    US athletes should be required to only compete in the US.

    We need to protect the jobs of AMERICAN zamboni drivers!

  78. Dark Phoenix says:

    Got ’em back with his own words. IRA was badass.

    Colonel Smyth’s speech marked him for attention from the IRA. He subsequently returned to Cork and took lodgings at the Cork & County Club, an Anglo-Irish social club. On the evening of 17 July 1920 he was in the smoking room when a six-man IRA team led by Dan “Sandow” O’Donovan entered and allegedly said to him, “Colonel, were not your orders to shoot on sight? Well you are in sight now, so prepare.” Colonel Smyth jumped to his feet before being riddled with bullets. Despite being shot twice in the head, once through the heart and twice through the chest, the Colonel staggered to the passage where he dropped dead. He was 34 years old.[10][11]

  79. MAGA says:

    tRuMp iS fIgHtInG fRaUd wItH jD VAncE

  80. Dark Phoenix says:

    Penny smart, pound foolish. 250k down the drain, only to result in death.

    If it had been caught early, extracting Deamonte’s damaged tooth could have cost $80. The bill for two weeks of his care at Maryland’s Children’s Hospital was between $200,000 and $250,000, reports Otto.

  81. Chad Powers says:

    Dark Phoenix,
    My wife has German public health insurance. It covers dental at a very minimal level. She bought an extra private dental insurance policy. And if you look at people‘s teeth in the UK I‘d say the NHS doesn‘t cover dental at all. People over there have terrible teeth.

  82. 3b says:

    Collins took out the whole British secret service in Dublin. They never saw it coming. Ruthless when he had to be. Almost got it all until he was killed by his own. Civil War will do that.

  83. RentL0rd says:

    Had my daughter’s wisdom teeth removed. Anesthesia needs to be covered by general insurance, while the actual removal is covered by dental insurance.

    Two separate bills.

    Anesthesia bill has several items – and it is day light robbery:
    “First 15 minutes” – $350
    “follow up 15 minutes” – $1150
    etc.
    (totally meaningless)

    And the anesthesia bill for the 1 hour procedure is altogether $3000.

    And if we elect to pay out of pocket, the dentist office said we could pay $1000 so it won’t go through insurance.

    If this isn’t fraud, nothing is.

  84. RentL0rd says:

    Where is Gary to correct my grammar?

  85. No One says:

    12:24, I read that WSJ “China Maxxing” article yesterday and laughed. I married into a Chinese family for nearly 30 years. These people’s fantasies of Chinese are so far from reality. Imagine if some people decided to eat Taco Bell, drink Mexican Coke, and mow their own lawn wearing a sombrero, and called it Mexico Maxxing. The article kept mentioning boiling apples and drinking warm water. These people probably talk about their chi.

    There was one lady pictured in the article- “Noë Bryant spent 41 years identifying as African American. This year, she became Chinese.” If she was among real Chinese people and in an actual Chinese family, they’d be telling her to lose weight, asking her why she’s so ugly, her skin so dark, why is she eating noodles when she’s so fat, why didn’t she get straight A’s in school, why didn’t she get into an Ivy League school? If she was trying to date their Chinese son, all the same questions, she’d be totally shunned, and in addition they’d be warning the son about how ugly and dark and fat and dumb their children would turn out to be. ChinaMax that! (Zero and first gen Chinese are typically highly racist btw, but I guess ChatGPT didn’t tell her about that).

  86. Art says:

    Issue is racism, not law enforcement.

    Lock one biz owner and the problem goes away immediately. but solving a problem don’t get you reelected

    Dark Phoenix says:
    February 25, 2026 at 8:54 am

    If you locked up the business owners, the problem would have gone away by itself.

  87. Art says:

    It isn’t illegal for biz owners to hire illegals.
    That makes no sense. Boomer likes it both ways

  88. OC1 says:

    Had my daughter’s wisdom teeth removed. Anesthesia needs to be covered by general insurance, while the actual removal is covered by dental insurance.

    I got two of my wisdom teeth removed in my mid-twenties. Didn’t have dental ins at the time.

    Doc offered to put me under, or go with local anathesia.

    I asked “how much”?

    Went with the local. :)

    No pain at all.

    I remember watching the dentist and thinking “he looks like he’s trying to remove the bolts from a rusty muffler”.

  89. Chad Powers says:

    I had all four of my wisdom teeth removed when I was in the army. I think I was around 24. Still remember the crunching sound as the teeth were broke up. Tried to go in to work the next day. Went back home immediately as I was in bad pain.

  90. hughesrep says:

    Had two of my wisdom teeth pulled, went with local. As he was working in there he said “oops, never seen that before”. Not something you want to hear at the dentist. Apparently my roots did a U-turn at the jaw line and started growing back up like a hook. Said it was one of his more difficult extractions, but the pain wasn’t that bad. Was fine the next day.

    There are a few people in your life who you don’t want to say “oops”. Your lawyer, your accountant, your barber, and your dentist.

  91. chicagofinance says:

    About 35 years ago my high school friends created a fantasy NBA league. Several asians in the league, and one made it apparent after the fifth drafted player that they were going for an all white team. The guy’s last name was Wu. My other friend said out loud “what the hell are you the Wu Wux Wan?” We had to stop the draft for about 10 minutes to compose ourselves. Hunter High School humor.

    No One says:
    February 25, 2026 at 2:34 pm
    (Zero and first gen Chinese are typically highly racist btw, but I guess ChatGPT didn’t tell her about that).

  92. chicagofinance says:

    “I’m not trying to impress you,” Newsom said in the video while chatting with Atlanta mayor Andre Dickens in front of a large crowd over the weekend, “I’m just trying to impress upon you, ‘I’m like you. I’m not better than you.’ I’m a 960 SAT guy.”

    Gavin Newsom

  93. Dark Phoenix says:

    If Newsom is 960, what is Trump and Biden?

    Other than both being senile, corrupt, comprimised, and infected, that is.

  94. Ex says:

    4:49 that’s odd even from him. Tough to relate to crowds sometimes without seeming unctuous .

  95. Dark Phoenix says:

    Well, they captured that minimum wage housekeeper. Awesome. 3 paralyzed children are so happy ICE did their jobs.

    They were quoted as saying ” We are all glad to give up the ability to walk for the rest of our lives in order for Americans to be ridden of these illegals who take our landscaping, dishwashing, fruit picking jobs. How dare they!!”

    Three juveniles were injured after a man fleeing immigration officers struck two vehicles on Wednesday morning in Newark, Feb. 25, authorities said.

    Newark police responded to Clinton Avenue and Shanley Avenue after a driver attempting to flee an ICE-led operation struck the two cars, including a rideshare vehicle occupied by two 15-year-olds and a 12-year-old,

  96. Dark Phoenix says:

    10 American Hillbillies with a Florida Registered boat decided to take on the Cuban government and got their asses shot up.

    It was said they were all wearing Marco Rubio t-shirts.

  97. Dark Phoenix says:

    Some animals are more equal than others, even in death. And when one has millions, they still get more than the one who had almost nothing in comparison.

    All from this parasitic website, where money is made from tragedy.

    https://www.gofundme.com/f/in-honor-of-eric-dane

    https://www.gofundme.com/f/honoring-karla-gameros-bright-spirit

  98. Ex says:

    Mmmm I feel great. But then being a stay at home dog dad at this particular juncture is heavenly.

  99. mAGA says:

    I tasted Trump’s taint, it smells a lot like shit.
    MAGA

  100. SmallGovConservative says:

    Epstein body count so far…
    – Clinton’s Treasury Secretary (Dem)
    – Oblama’s chief WH Counsel (Dem)
    – Sanctimonious lefty Bill Gates (Dem)
    – Keir Starmour’s buddy Peter Mandelson (Labour)

  101. RentL0rd says:

    The only thing I dislike about Newsom is his choice of women. He has the same taste as Trump Jr.

  102. Dark Phoenix says:

    Poor Arabs and Zulus were always hated by the Anglos

    Some things never change.

    Come tell us how you slew,
    Them old Arabs two by two,
    Like the Zulu they had spears and bow and arrows!
    How bravely you faced one,
    With your sixteen-pounder gun!
    And you frightened them damn natives to the marrow!

  103. 3b says:

    Chgo: The Newsom thing is no surprise, it’s the patronizing way they treat Black people. They are the big racists, but they are sweet about it.

  104. 3b says:

    Newsom s California has the highest unemployment rate in the country. Disastrous response to the LA fires, to name just two , and Gavin wants to be President.

  105. 3b says:

    There was war and death, plundering and pillage my children starved by mountain, valley and sea, and their wailing cries they shook the very heavens, my 4 green fields ran red with their blood said she.

  106. SmallGovConservative says:

    3b says:
    February 25, 2026 at 6:51 pm
    “Newsom s California has the highest unemployment rate in the country. Disastrous response to the LA fires, to name just two…”

    You forgot the ‘train to nowhere’ boondoggle. Sold to voters as a high speed rail connection between SFO/LAX for $30B and complete by 2020; now $100B+ to connect Merced and Bakersfield. And the idiot PantLoad says “The only thing I dislike about Newsom is his choice of women”.

  107. 3b says:

    Small: Yep! That’s a massive screw up on his part. It must be because of his low SAT scores. The Dems are not the rational, competent, productive alternative to the Republicans, at least not the ones that are polling high to be next President.

  108. MAGA says:

    Trump came in little pre – teen girls and boys.

  109. Fabius Maximus says:

    don’t get to mix and match civil and criminal matters”

    Due process is not a mix and match. It applys across the board . The fact that ICE didnt follow the rules, ended up in them having to pull him back from ElSalvador.
    Oh Judge didnt do his job, Congress needs to do X is BS.

    ICE is oversteping and is ignoring Due Process, need to make those numbers. The worrying part of this is that no matter what a Bad Hombre he turns out to be, if he is not afforded Due process, then we have a serious constitutional problem.

    I see a lot of people in here wrap themselves in the conststiution, but when it comes to defending it. If its not the 2nd they dont want to know. When Bush trampled all over teh 4th with the Patriot Act its all “what about those Freedom Fries!

    So I suppose its; “who cares about Due Process, hes brown so it doesnt count. It would never apply to me!”

  110. RentL0rd says:

    The fact that the idiots that ICE recruits are given legal advice on how to not follow the constitution should say it all.

    https://whistlebloweraid.org/ice-whistleblower-speaking-publicly-for-first-time-says-ice-violates-the-law-with-dangerously-shortened-training/

  111. Fabius Maximus says:

    am hyper focused on the Dems because they present themselves as the the Republicans.

    And thats why I can never take you seriousley. As a so called “independant” you never address how the GOP need to give us an “adult, rational alternative to Trump” and why its solely down to the Dems to do that.

  112. RentL0rd says:

    It’s funny watching Smalls and 3b jerking each other off. Get a room guys.

  113. Fabius Maximus says:

    “He should have been driving an F-150”

    Mrs Fab had one. WE dumped it close to the end of the warranty. It was grenading rear axles every 5000 miles. Ford would replace under warrant, but did not fix the underlying issue.

    https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2025/RCLRPT-25V512-5521.pdf

  114. Fabius Maximus says:

    “whatever books she has written should be viewed in that light more fantasy than anything close to reality.:

    No One, any comment? Aren’t you the Rand appologiser in here.

  115. Fabius Maximus says:

    “If Trump had a tariff on what Lib does well he might still have a job.”

    My understanding is that it was a Trump Tariff that cost him his job. Headcount is the cheapest fix when expenses go up.

  116. Dark Phoenix says:

    damn fab,

    u on a roll tonight.

    now here are two criminal empires. the gop wants to look like they want reform, pushing to get a jump. but the plan is actually worse than the democrap plan, neither of which will come to fruition as criminals hate giving up their cash cows.

    these f’rs steal and steal.

    House Republican leaders formulated the bill Trump supports to preempt a Democratic version. The GOP alternative would let lawmakers hold stock they already own and reinvest dividends. It would also let spouses and other family members trade on behalf of lawmakers. The Democratic plan prohibits members and their immediate families from owning individual stocks unless the spouse trades in connection with their primary employment. It would also apply to the president.

  117. Fabius Maximus says:

    “I do think that in result, what Biden did was possibly the worst thing we’ve seen in recent history.”

    Did he put his name on the checks?

  118. Fabius Maximus says:

    Same reason AOC/NYC was against Amazon locating HQ2 in the city

    Was she wrong, seems like Arlington is hitting issues
    https://technical.ly/civic-news/amazon-hq2-pause-arlington/
    https://northernvirginiamag.com/news/2025/06/25/whats-the-status-of-amazons-hq2-building/

  119. MAGA says:

    Trump had intercourse with children – rape.

  120. Fabius Maximus says:

    “How many American tax dollars are going to pay for the Hospital ship in Greenland?”

    The answer is zero as both ships are in for repairs. They are going nowhere. Just more Donnie BS.

    https://www.prismnews.com/news/trump-says-us-is-sending-hospital-ship-to-greenland-despite-shipyard-repairs

  121. Fabius Maximus says:

    Rock and Roll hall of Fame ballot is out. Its a tough choice this year for me.
    Vote Early, vote often
    https://vote.rockhall.com/vote/select

    Automatic.
    Iron Maiden
    Melissa Etherridge
    Layryn Hill

    Second Level
    Wu Tang Clan
    Inxs
    Jeff Buckley

    On the Bubble for the last spots:
    Joy Division and New Order
    Oasis
    The Black Crows

  122. Dark Phoenix says:

    Cuts began on Friday when Verizon, based in Basking Ridge, cut 1,319 employees. Those reductions were initially announced in November 2025.

    More layoffs were announced in February, according to the state’s WARN notice archive, which includes retail giants such as Target, Walmart, Eddie Bauer, and more.

    Target announced a reduction of 107 employees in its locations in Burlington, Gloucester, Middlesex, and Monmouth counties. The layoffs will take effect on May 17.

    Walmart is also cutting 100 employees in Hoboken, effective May 1.

    Eddie Bauer is laying off 58 employees from locations in Bergen, Morris, Camden, Monmouth, and Somerset counties.

    One of the largest cuts is coming from Bristol Myers Squibb in Lawrence Township, which announced 247 employees to be laid off spread out throughout the year.

    Other large cuts include Arrow Fastener of Saddle Brook to lay off 140 employees; Cigna Evernorth Services of Morris Plains to lay off 134 employees; Scudetto Logistics of Trenton to lay off 120 employees; JPMorgan Chase of Jersey City to lay off 120 employees; and AT&T in Bedminster to layoff 75 employees.

  123. Chicago says:

    Where is the new thread? This is bullshit.

  124. RentL0rd says:

    The new thread of life: leaving America

    In its 250th year, is America, land of immigration, becoming a country of emigration? Last year the U.S.
    experienced something that hasn’t definitively occurred since the Great Depression: More people moved out than moved in. The Trump administration has hailed the exodus — negative net migration — as the fulfillment of its promise to ramp up deportations and restrict new visas. Beneath the stormy optics of that immigration crackdown, however, lies a less-noticed reversal: America’s own citizens are leaving in record numbers, replanting themselves and their families in lands they find more affordable and safe. Since the Eisenhower administration, the U.S. hasn’t collected comprehensive statistics on the number of citizens leaving. Yet data on residence permits, foreign home purchases, student enrollments and other metrics from more than 50 countries show that Americans are voting with their feet to an unprecedented degree. A millions-strong diaspora is studying, telecommuting and retiring overseas. The new American dream, for some of its citizens, is to no longer live there. In the cobblestoned streets of Lisbon, so many Americans are snapping up apartments that the newest arrivals complain they mostly hear their own language — not Portuguese. One of every 15 residents in Dublin’s trendy Grand Canal Dock district was born in the U.S., according to realtors, higher than the percentage of Americans born in Ireland during the 19th-century influx following the Potato Famine. In Bali, Colombia and Thailand, the strains of housing American remote workers paid in dollars have inspired locals to mount protests against a wave of gentrification. More than 100,000 young students are enrolled abroad for a more affordable university degree. In nursing homes mushrooming across the Mexican border, elderly Americans are turning up for low-cost care. […] The U.S. experienced net negative migration — an estimated loss of some 150,000 people — in 2025, and the outflow will likely increase in 2026, according to calculations by the Brookings Institution, a public-policy think tank. The number could be larger or smaller because official U.S. data doesn’t yet fully capture the number of people leaving,

  125. Art says:

    US and Cuba have universal communist government healthcare for the 65 and older.

    That florida boat was looking for free healthcare

  126. Hughesrep says:

    Day 5 of Optimum still sucks.

  127. Chicago says:

    RentL0rd says:
    February 26, 2026 at 7:51 am
    The new thread of life: leaving America

    Rent: before you start a reflexive flagellation of the U.S., from the same article.
    Says it all.

    The bargain: The U.S. has larger salaries, mobile talent and millions of citizens craving a better life. Europe needs such workers—and their income—to prop up a pension system so top-heavy that French retirees now outearn working age adults, according to the Luxembourg Income Study, a research agency. European salaries are constrained by high taxes and low growth. Retailers, restaurants and real-estate agents want foreign clientele. 

  128. Juice Box says:

    Chi – Really cutting edge technology stuff coming out of the EU requiring highly skilled labor.

    I heard there were just layoffs at AOL down in Virginia. This is cutting US payroll before they sell it to an Italian company Bending Spoons…

    That whole continent is in trouble, wall it off…

  129. Juice Box says:

    That Florida boat was looking for free healthcare..

    Boat was identified as a 1981 24-foot Pro-Line motorboat. That is not something I would want to be on with 10 people….

    https://prolineboats.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/1980Brochure.pdf

  130. RentL0rd says:

    Chest beating aside, If you don’t think the US is in trouble, you are living in la la land.

  131. RentL0rd says:

    Europe may be on a slow train that’s gonna go off a cliff, but we like a super fast run away train if you look at healthcare and ai impacts.

  132. Juice Box says:

    Rent – We also prefer to steal the future from our children here. The unborn cannot complain about debt and deficits.

  133. Art says:

    Qanon was all over the place chasing pedos. But then it went away

  134. Art says:

    Dan Bongino ran on Epstein discover but then he quietly resigned

  135. Juice Box says:

    Art – ran for what office? You have some holes in your cheese.

    Also yesterday you made some comment yesterday that it’s not illegal to hire undocumented aliens. You might want to ask all the Employers the state of NJ, and the Feds have fined and sent to prison about that one. The IRS also goes after tax cheats too.

    Failure to pay or accurately report payroll taxes (Social Security, Medicare, FICA) Federal Alone about $150 Billion a year stolen. Who knows what the states tally is for unpaid taxes. Major felonies.

    Biden to his credit wanted to hire lots more IRS agents to go after tax cheats.

  136. RentL0rd says:

    Trump hired and married more illegals than Biden. Fact.

  137. SmallGovConservative says:

    RentL0rd says:
    February 26, 2026 at 9:26 am
    “If you don’t think the US is in trouble…”

    Of course the US is in trouble. Half the country — the Dems — consists of idiots like you and VAG, useless burnouts like LACKS, intolerant, smarmy schmucks like Flab, or hysterical females. So yeah, the US is in big trouble. That’s why it’s so important to enjoy the DJT admin, because like the song says, these are the good old days!

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