How to kill Atlantic City (good riddance?)

From the Record:

North Jersey casinos concept gets early support, but experts warn that competition is fierce

Analysts are offering a tempered endorsement of the concept of two North Jersey casinos being championed by a number of state Democratic lawmakers, but they cautioned against overestimating returns in an increasingly saturated region for gambling.

More than a dozen casinos and racinos have opened in nearby states in the past decade, and more are likely to come on line in the near future in New York and Pennsylvania.

Still, the analysts say, North Jersey is a big affluent market, capable of supporting two casinos — in part by generating new business and attracting residents who now travel to casinos in neighboring states.

“Let’s recapture that revenue we’ve lost,” said Steve Norton, a private gambling consultant who once served as an executive with Atlantic City Resorts.

Roger Gros, publisher of Global Gaming Business magazine, said that the Resorts World Casino at Aqueduct Racetrack serves as a case in point of how a well-placed gambling venue can be a big winner. Centrally located in the middle of Queens, the site produced $435 million in tax revenue for New York last year, double what New Jersey received from its entire Atlantic City casino industry.

“You can see from Aqueduct how successful a casino can be when it comes into a large market,” Gros said.

The future of New Jersey’s casino industry is a huge issue for state officials, who in recent years have watched tax revenue plummet along with the fortunes of the state’s only casinos in Atlantic City.

Talk of an end to the seaside resort’s monopoly has increased dramatically since Governor Christie backed recent comments by state Senate President Stephen Sweeney, D-Gloucester County, that lifted a five-year moratorium on such discussions in Trenton. Sweeney suggested the issue may go to voters statewide in a November 2015 referendum, a move that would likely cut a full year off the timeline for the possible addition of casinos elsewhere in New Jersey.

The changing landscape was underscored by revelations last week of a $4.6 billion preliminary proposal for a 95-story casino, 100,000-seat auto racing track and giant Ferris wheel near the Liberty National Golf Club in Jersey City. Backers of a Meadowlands casino have tried to make sure that the sports complex in East Rutherford also remains a likely site for a casino.

Supporters of North Jersey casinos, including state Sens. Paul Sarlo of Wood-Ridge and Raymond Lesniak of Union County said the state treasury could reap at least $500 million a year, based on a tax rate of 50 percent or more on casino operations, similar to rates in New York and Pennsylvania.

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94 Responses to How to kill Atlantic City (good riddance?)

  1. grim says:

    Please remember that the word casino will put you in blacklist.

    …and warm up the bulldozers.

  2. grim says:

    No tax breaks, no PILOTs, no public funding.

  3. grim says:

    By the way, that big stupid ferris wheel? That’s the dead giveaway this thing will never open.

  4. Fast Eddie says:

    Put a ferris wheel at xanadu. Muppets are mesmerized by that type of sh1t.

  5. Juggalo4eva says:

    Turn Xanadu into a prison.

  6. grim says:

    They tried the ferris wheel at Xanadu, don’t you remember?

    http://blog.nj.com/ledgerupdates_impact/2009/04/large_xanadu%20pepsi.JPG

  7. grim says:

    http://www.gizmag.com/americas-largest-ferris-wheel/8859/

    Food and beverage giant Pepsi has announced it will create America’s largest Ferris wheel in New Jersey. The 287-foot-tall “Pepsi Globe” will be incorporated into Meadowlands Xanadu, a unique sports, leisure, shopping and family entertainment destination in East Rutherford.

    The Pepsi Globe will be green powered year round, with energy obtained through the purchase of wind power credits from a Texas generating plant, and it will be at least partially made from recycled materials. Pepsi will offer unique interactive experiences during the Pepsi Globe ride, which will last approximately 25 minutes for a full revolution and offer sweeping vistas of the New York skyline and the Hudson River. Groups of up to 20 visitors each will enter 26 glass-enclosed, climate controlled capsules for the ride of a lifetime.

    As part of a 10-year tenant/naming rights agreement, Pepsi will implement a series of promotional activities and tie-ins, including the nationwide distribution of 450 million beverage cans featuring the Pepsi Globe at Meadowlands Xanadu, commemorating the wheel’s grand opening event.

    When complete, Meadowlands Xanadu will encompass 94 acres and will feature five distinct Lifestyle Districts: sports, entertainment, youth culture, food and home, and fashion.

  8. phoenix says:

    More than one-third of U.S. adults (34.9%) are obese.
    he estimated annual medical cost of obesity in the U.S. was $147 billion in 2008 U.S. dollars.

    Bring on the PepsiWheel. Just what we need.

  9. grim says:

    Heard a commercial advertising Pepsi with real sugar, told me to go get some quick, because I had limited time. So much wrong, god help us.

  10. anon (the good one) says:

    how many are going to prison?

    @BloombergNews: Citigroup reaches $7 billion mortgage-bond settlement: http://t.co/FGq216CfHs

    ““The bank’s misconduct was egregious,” U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said, according to the text of his prepared remarks. “And under the terms of this settlement, the bank has admitted to its misdeeds in great detail.”

  11. Libturd on NJT says:

    No seats on the train and will be salaried at least 15 minutes on my 12 mile commute. Pensions for all.

  12. Libturd on NJT says:

    Salaries? Siri you suck.

  13. Libturd on NJT says:

    Anon. They will go to prison when Barney Frank and the rest of the Congress goes who took Mozillo loans. Until then, shut the hell up you Skinner box deciple.

  14. JJ says:

    Soccer
    Non-Carolina BBQ Sauces
    Fancy Craft Beer
    Cunnilingus

    Top four things straight men dont like. Did we miss anything?

  15. Libturd on NJT says:

    And now, delays on the E. I think we should expand the role of government in our lives. There is nothing like trying to get to work early, only to see that hour eaten up by incompetent public service. Maybe we should hang some transit workers. The garage next to my building has a $20 tax included early bird special. That’s about what I pay to to commute on India rail per day. Tolls and fuel would add about $13 a day, but at least I wouldn’t have to rely on the unreliable. Might try on Wednesday. I heard it might rain which is like kryptonite to NJT.

  16. phoenix says:

    7Billion Settlement? Where does the 7Billion go?
    I have a theory.
    This is an example.
    Company A rips people off to a tune of 1 million.
    Govt sits idly by, waiting for the right time.
    Govt pounces, pretends to be knight in shining armor, protecting the little guy from the evil company.
    Govt fines company 500k. Company keeps 500k.
    Govt wins, company wins, little guy out 1 mil.
    Good cop, bad cop.

  17. Bystander says:

    JJ- yes, you are missing a real list. That one is terrible. Watching World cup,eating Memphis smoked ribs, with a cold Brooklyn lager in hand and a freshly showered Kate Upton next to you..my guess is Mark Sanchez might have been gayest man alive at one point.

  18. Libturd in the City says:

    Finally in. Not bad. Took the 7:45 out of Bloomfield. Arrived at my desk at 9:20. Twelve miles in 95 minutes. Why that’s 7.5 miles per hour, which is about the speed the average marathon runner runs.

    Come on Anon… the bank has admitted to its misdeeds in great detail. What more do you want? Citigroup to pay for the healthcare of the uninsured?

  19. Libturd in the City says:

    Finally,

    If they kill Atlantic City, I’m gonna have to take a pay cut. I’ve been absolutely on fire this year. I lost last year, but killed the year before. I won another 5K on Saturday night starting with $102. Also earned a $500 2-stroke leaf blower which I plan to use to wake up Gator, who got to see Michael Buble for free on Saturday night. We got a pretty incredible suite at Caesars Palace to boot which was almost as big as the first floor of our house.

  20. grim says:

    17 – post of the day

  21. Libturd should go back to India says:

    Libturd if this is your $20 Indian commute, I think your overpaying it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCCl8y9sTGY

    But if you miss it, good riddance to your HB1 visa rear end. After all, if you stay around here – the NJ Transit train will look like the video.

  22. Libturd in the City says:

    Can’t watch youtube at work. Sorry.

  23. phoenix says:

    24 use pandapow vpn

  24. Libturd in the City says:

    Phoenix…site is blocked as well. Our IT is very savvy.

  25. phoenix says:

    22 That video is a must see!

  26. phoenix says:

    25 . Guess your stuck with 4g. Cannot block that.

  27. phoenix says:

    22 At least the train left the station on time.

  28. Libturd in the City says:

    I saw the trains when I was in India. I imagine it’s a video of people hanging out the doors. Which if you’ve been there, provide the coolest and least stinky accommodation.

  29. joyce says:

    Then what are you waiting for? Take your visa and go home!

    Libturd in the City says:
    July 14, 2014 at 11:17 am

    I saw the trains when I was in India. I imagine it’s a video of people hanging out the doors. Which if you’ve been there, provide the coolest and least stinky accommodation.

  30. clotluva says:

    With the LIRR threatening a strike, I suspect all manner of mass-transit “solidarity” shenanigans in the days/weeks ahead (i.e. slowdowns, no-shows, etc.).

    “In the current negotiations, the authority has already increased its original offer significantly. But union leaders have refused to accept the concessions, maintaining that their members are ready to walk off the job at the first opportunity, which will arrive just after midnight on July 20.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/14/nyregion/with-lirr-strike-deadline-bearing-down-history-could-be-poised-to-repeat.html?_r=0

  31. anon (the good one) says:

    @BarackObama:
    Get your name on the minimum wage petition before it’s delivered to lawmakers: http://t.co/1pR5fEt0IH #RaiseTheWage

  32. Fast Eddie says:

    anon (the good one),

    Which business do you own again and what is the minimum pay that you offer?

  33. Libturd in the City says:

    Just wait Eddie. Next, Obama will be pushing for a maximum wage. It’s only a matter of time.

  34. Street Justice says:

    http://money.cnn.com/2014/07/12/technology/yahoo-lawsuit/

    Female Yahoo executive sued by female subordinate for sexual harassment. A must read for JJ.

  35. Street Justice says:

    The minimum wage in 1938 was 25 cents/hr. That’s the equivalent of making $4.07 /hr today.

    anon (the good one) says:
    July 14, 2014 at 11:45 am
    @BarackObama:
    Get your name on the minimum wage petition before it’s delivered to lawmakers: http://t.co/1pR5fEt0IH #RaiseTheWage

  36. grim says:

    From the petition link:

    That means someone working full time for the federal minimum wage makes just $14,500 a year — which is below the poverty line for a family of four.

    This is very misleading…

  37. grim says:

    First, it’s comparing estimated individual income with the poverty level for a 4 member household, and the statistics clearly show that the minimum wage worker is typically not the sole provider for a 4 member household.

    The statistics also show that if there is a minimum wage earner in a 4 member household, that income is in addition to the primary wage earner or earners, and that household generally has an income significantly over the poverty level.

  38. grim says:

    “Only 11.3% of workers who will gain from an increase in the federal minimum wage to $9.50 per hour live in poor households…Of those who will gain, 63.2% are second or third earners living in households with incomes three times the poverty line, well above 50,233, the income of the median household in 2007.” (Sabia and Burkhauser, 2010)’

    http://cdn.theatlantic.com/newsroom/img/posts/Sabia_Burkhauser_SEJ_Jan10.pdf

  39. Libturd in the City says:

    Forget the minimum wage. Figure out how to get my trains running like they do everywhere else. The amount of lost production from these rail delays is probably worse than the amount of production time lost due to fantasy football.

  40. Michael says:

    Sign me up!!! So sick of how white males are treated in this world. Like it’s our fault our ancestors dominated this world. Now we are forced to be at a disadvantage in life because our ancestors dominated this planet.

    People crying about race need to stfu. You can go live in your own country if you don’t think it’s fair here. No such thing as a white country on this planet anymore, you know since we are such bad people, we let every other race into our countries. I wonder if the roles were switched, would these other people be as nice and understanding as the evil white man? Just funny, that they are trying to become citizens in white countries, why don’t they immigrate to countries with their people. Paris now has parts of the city where french women can’t walk down anymore because they will be attacked by muslim extremists. Can’t walk down the street in their own country because Muslims took it over. I wonder what would happen if white people went into brazil, zimbabwe, or china, and starting carving up their own neighborhoods and attacking the citizens of that country. What would happen? Please explain.

    Libturd in the City says:
    July 14, 2014 at 11:52 am
    If you’re gonna sign a petition…it ought to be this one.

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/explain-why-asia-asians-africa-africans-white-countries-are-everybody/2RSxj1RW

  41. Anon E. Moose says:

    Eddie [33];

    Maybe he just wants a raise?

  42. Libturd in the City says:

    Grim.

    So what you are saying is that Anon is devoted to making 14, 15 and 16 year olds rich enough to afford Katy Perry tickets. Obama is still catering to the base I suppose. Whether it be poor people living below the poverty line or well off teenagers who need more iPhone apps.

  43. grim says:

    Also from that link:

    But how do these facts square with the image of a minimum wage worker often invoked by advocates of minimum wage increases—a single mother struggling to support her children?18

    As Table 4 shows, only 11.1% of those who will gain from the proposed increase in the
    minimum wage to $9.50 per hour are single mothers, down from 12.0% from the last federal increase, but even the stereotype that the minimum wage earner is the primary earner in the household is misleading.

    Only about one-half of those who would gain from the minimum wage increase to $9.50 are the primary earners in their household, up from 43.4% from the last federal increase, but this difference is mainly because more of the gainers are living in one-person households or in households without children.

  44. grim says:

    Look, at this point I’m all for raising the minimum wage, lets do it.

    But don’t, for one second, think it’s going to do anything to reduce poverty, because it won’t.

  45. grim says:

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/07/19/who-makes-minimum-wage/

    People at or below the federal minimum are:

    Disproportionately young: 50.6% are ages 16 to 24; 24% are teenagers (ages 16 to 19).
    Mostly (78%) white; fully half are white women.
    Largely part-time workers (64% of the total).

  46. Michael says:

    If you are going to have rich people in a capitalist system, there must be someone who is poor. Otherwise, the definition can not exist, just like good and evil. Trying to solve poverty is impossible. The only reason they should raise the min wage is to get the economy going. To set off the chain reaction that will eventually cause demand to increase, which will lead to investment opportunities.

    grim says:
    July 14, 2014 at 12:53 pm
    Look, at this point I’m all for raising the minimum wage, let’s do it.

    But don’t, for one second, think it’s going to do anything to reduce poverty, because it won’t.

  47. grim says:

    12% of minimum wage workers belong to a household with an income above $100,000.

  48. grim says:

    Remember, we’re talking about a full 1.6 million workers here, which is less than 1% of the US population (actually, closer to half a percent).

  49. grim says:

    Like I said, don’t for one second think it’s going to do a damn thing to reduce poverty.

  50. Libturd in the City says:

    I’m not really sure how raising the minimum wage gets the economy going Michael. For example:

    Worker ‘A’ at Crown Fried Chicken in the South side of town gets a $1.75 an hour raise. At the end of his part-time week, this works out to an increase of $35. Unfortunately, to pay for the wage increase, the price of fried Chicken goes from $5 for the combo meal to $7. Worker ‘A’ has his rent raised by his landlord because his landlord likes to eat Crown Fried Chicken three times per day. This costs him an extra $6 per day or $42 per week. Poor Worker ‘A’ now ends up with a net loss of $7 per week as an unintended consequence of the minimum wage increase.

    On the nicer side of town there’s teenager ‘A’. Her dad made her get a job so she wouldn’t have to rely on grandma for handouts when she gets out of college. She too works part time, but at Popeye’s Fried Chicken. Popeye’s is a much bigger chain then Crown and can more easily absorb the impact of the wage increase. Crown also prefers to hire teenagers as they are more reliable than the ghetto trash who constantly apply and have much less baggage. Teenager ‘A’ takes her extra $35 a week and uses it to buy more bandwidth for her smartphone since her brother hogs up all of the data in their shared family plan. Meanwhile, across town, less and less people are frequenting Crown Fried Chicken since they are now too expensive. Crown is forced to close down since it can’t compete with Popeye’s on price. Poor worker ‘A’ is now jobless and soon to be homeless.

    I bet this is not what Obama intended, but it sure keeps the progressives on his side of the aisle so to speak.

  51. Libturd in the City says:

    By the way, I’m available for ghost writing if anyone has some propaganda to effectively promote. I’m pretty cheap too, but I don’t work for minimum wage.

  52. grim says:

    1.6 million Americans make minimum wage, take out the kids and we are somewhere near 800k.

    Meanwhile, we have 9.5 million Americans who want to work, but can’t find jobs.

    So let me get this straight, what are you suggesting is the right way to reduce poverty? Raising wages? I see, makes perfect sense. How about we raise taxes too?

  53. Libturd in the City says:

    Obviously, the best way to reduce poverty is to subsidize the fried chicken industry. Though, health care costs might rise a bit.

  54. Street Justice says:

    Raising the minimum wage also means that many poor people on government assistance programs would become ineligible for it or would receive less aid from the government.

  55. Libturd in the City says:

    Mr. Heaton needs to spend less money on useless causes and more on his wardrobe. He apparently only owns one shirt.

  56. Fast Eddie says:

    C’mon guys, you already know the l1beral agenda regarding the minimum wage. It has nothing to do with compassion. It’s about securing votes entirely.

  57. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Lib – Believe it or not, we do NOT block youtube at my work. Someone made a case for needing access to watch tech videos and it was opened up. No FB, ESPN, etc. We do have a staff Wifi network that any employee can use their personal devices on which has worked out quite well as it keeps people from trying to get to the other stuff on our corp network. Users just have to register the MAC address of their devices so that way we know every device and which person it belongs to which scares people into being pretty good, but we don’t really check up on anyone. We sure did use a lot of bandwidth during the World Cup on the staff network though.

    Phoenix…site is blocked as well. Our IT is very savvy.

  58. joyce says:

    Advanced Notice of a Meeting under Expedited Procedures

    It is anticipated that the closed meeting of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System at 11:30 AM on Monday, July 14, 2014, will be held under expedited procedures, as set forth in section 26lb.7 of the Board’s Rules Regarding Public Observation of Meetings, at the Board’s offices at 20th Street and C Streets, N.W., Washington, D.C. The following items of official Board business are tentatively scheduled to be considered at that meeting.

    Meeting Date: Monday, July 14, 2014

    Matter(s) Considered

    1.
    Review and determination by the Board of Governors of the advance and discount rates to be charged by the Federal Reserve Banks.
    http://federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/boardmeetings/20140710advexp.htm

  59. joyce says:

    Effective July 14, 2014, the meeting was closed to public observation by Order of the Board of Governors 1 because the matters fall under exemption(s) 9(A)(i) of the Government in the Sunshine Act (5 U.S.C. Section 552b(c)), and it was determined that the public interest did not require opening the meeting.

  60. joyce says:

    No, that was not from The Onion

  61. phoenix says:

    184 million dollar profit-92 million dollar fine + no prosecution = 92 million dollar profit.
    The silent tax.

    Pilot Flying J to pay $92 million, avoid prosecution.The federal investigation into Pilot Flying J became public on April 15 when FBI and IRS agents raided the company’s corporate headquarters in Knoxville

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/07/14/pilot-flying-j-justice-department-agreement/12634793/

  62. phoenix says:

    65. If you think this is not true go shake down the local bodega for a .99 cent can of tuna fish and see if you don’t end up with a boot on your neck.
    But hey, 92 mil and no prosecution?
    Think about it…….

  63. Ragnar says:

    I’m against the minimum wage existing at all, but if we must have it, I want the minimum wage set at $100/hr. With 2 weeks vacation, that is a cool $200,000 per year, which even a family of 8 can live on with ease.
    Such a minimum wage will separate the men from the boys.

  64. phoenix says:

    8 N.J. auto dealerships and owners to pay $1.8M for alleged deception. As part of the agreement, the companies and owners admitted no guilt and agreed to settle to avoid “costly and prolonged litigation.”
    How much profit, again no jail time.
    1.8 million silent tax and allow the criminals to walk………..
    How much money returned to those ripped off-none, zero, zilch.

  65. phoenix says:

    40. Grim
    First, it’s comparing estimated individual income with the poverty level for a 4 member household, and the statistics clearly show that the minimum wage worker is typically not the sole provider for a 4 member household..

    So what do the statistics show, the minimum wage worker to be sole provider for 8 member household?
    Middle class workers, one’s that live within their means, have at most 2 kids today.

  66. phoenix says:

    67. Unless your last name is Kardashian.

  67. Fast Eddie says:

    What an ugly, over-priced and impractical house. They just dropped it $50,000 from a stup1d price to a laughable price. It’s beyond their dream asking price. How can you not mock and ridicule these people? Some people are just real m0rons.

    http://www.njmls.com/listings/index.cfm?action=dsp.info&mlsnum=1415554&dayssince=&countysearch=false

  68. Fast Eddie says:

    Just under $800,000 with close to $17,000 in taxes and an additional $332 for monthly maintenance for a f.ucking townhouse. My favorite is the 10 X 10 deck with a gas grill on it. Nothing says “dumb@ss” like a gas grill inches from the house with no place to go. And how’s that nice cliff in the back with no yard!! What a comedy! Almost $6000 per month for this thing with 20% down. (Barf!!!)

    http://www.njmls.com/listings/index.cfm?action=dsp.info&mlsnum=1416352&dayssince=&countysearch=false

  69. Ragnar says:

    Street Justice,
    So sorry this came up when JJ was out. He would have gone to town on this one. I’d have liked to have heard what he would have done should this situation have occurred at his firm.

    Street Justice says:

    July 14, 2014 at 12:25 pm

    http://money.cnn.com/2014/07/12/technology/yahoo-lawsuit/

    Female Yahoo executive sued by female subordinate for sexual harassment. A must read for JJ.

  70. Ben says:

    64,

    If you don’t steal at least 6 figures, don’t bother. Even the quarter thief at Ridgewood was able to con the judge into letting him pay off his theft with his pension in exchange for no jail time.

  71. grim says:

    Speaking of JJ, did not go to Jordans in Island Park but ended up at Lobster Roll in Riverhead. Good, but not as good as Jordans. Ended up somewhere in Southampton as well. All I’ve got to say is the average homeowner in Southampton spends more on hedge care than I do on my mortgage.

  72. Anon E. Moose says:

    Grim [76];

    I used to love taking the plane for a joyride out to Montauk — beachcombing slow and low along the way. There’s one mansion out there on the south shore — its probably famouns but I just never knew or cared who owned it — that rivals Versailles. Race the train between stations; circle the lighthouse; land at the little airstrip just inside the dunes and walk to lunch at Rick’s Crabby Cowboy Cafe. Good times.

  73. Juggalo4eva says:

    stu (19)-

    The only thing I would watch Michael Buble do is be decapitated.

  74. Toxic Crayons says:

    @blackrepublican: Live Performance: Black 8th grade metal band that landed MILLION dollar Sony record deal performing in Times SQ http://t.co/n0L2AIK1DZ

  75. Toxic Crayons says:

    Honest Gun-Owning Mom Busted In NJ Could Face 3 Years In Prison

    http://www.my9nj.com/story/25996007/nj-gun-permit-problems

  76. Libturd at home says:

    Jugaloo. When offered to either attend the concert or babysit, I opted for the latter. I skipped Gaga too.

  77. Juice Box says:

    Re:79 – if Metal comes back there will be fans, aging ones for sure.

  78. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    [80] crayons

    Hard for me to have sympathy for her. I have some to be sure but she screwed up or got bad info from someone who didn’t know better. When you get your PA permit, you get information on the law. It isn’t complete but it puts you on notice.

    Besides, it isn’t like she didn’t know she was in Jersey. Where I live where you can cross into Delaware and not know it, so I am especially careful. PA has a moat where NJ is concerned and you know when you’ve crossed it.

  79. grim says:

    Any questions? She said she was sorry.

    Wife of accused Jersey City cop killer apologizes for disparaging remarks

    The wife of the man accused of fatally shooting Jersey City Police Officer Melvin Santiago yesterday said she’s sorry for comments she made that indicated she wished her husband had killed more cops.

    Angelique Campbell, 28, of Grant Avenue, said she was angry when she told News 12 that her husband, Lawrence Campbell, “should’ve taken more with him” early Sunday morning. Police say Campbell ambushed them outside the Walgreens at Kennedy Boulevard and Communipaw Avenue, fatally shooting Santiago before officers returned fire and killed him.

  80. grim says:

    Oh yeah, she works for the JC Board of Ed…

  81. Toxic Crayon says:

    Her lawyer says there are a dozen other cases like hers.

    Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:
    July 14, 2014 at 9:45 pm
    [80] crayons

    Hard for me to have sympathy for her. I have some to be sure but she screwed up or got bad info from someone who didn’t know better. When you get your PA permit, you get information on the law. It isn’t complete but it puts you on notice.

    Besides, it isn’t like she didn’t know she was in Jersey. Where I live where you can cross into Delaware and not know it, so I am especially careful. PA has a moat where NJ is concerned and you know when you’ve crossed it.

  82. joyce says:

    Comrade /Toxic,

    Yea, why shouldn’t traffic infractions lead to prison terms. Just keep following orders.

  83. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    [87] Joyce,

    Whether or not you like the law, it’s clear. I don’t like it but I know it. And I know hat happens if I break it.

    Her fault was that she was too honest. She thought she was strictly complying. That’s the part that elicits sympathy. She won’t get jail time but she will plead guilty, lose her gun, lose a shiiteload of cash, and lose her permit in PA.

    Personally, I’d love to see the PA AG say that they won’t recognize the NJ conviction and let her keep her permit but that isn’t hoping to happen.

  84. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    [86] toxic

    Nappen is the dean of 2nd Amendment law in NJ. He would know.

    Say what you want about us gun nuts. We know the law and then some. NJ is the old DDR when it comes to the rights of individuals on this issue.

  85. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    [86] toxic

    When I worked at the federal court in Trenton, I heard of a lot of these cases. Usually, these were out of staters who were traveling through NJ. While federal law protects you if you are in interstate transit with a gun, police and prosecutors would look for any angle to say federal law didn’t apply. One common trap was to stop people who stopped for dinner or pulled off the highway for gas–NJ took the position that any departure from travel took you outside of the federal interstate transport protection. Christie gave some legislative clarity this year and passed a law that allowed de minimis departures– a whole fifteen minutes worth.

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