No bargains for new buyers

From Bloomberg:

First-Time Buyers Shut Out of Expanding U.S. Home Supply

The four-bedroom house that Ilia Nielsen-Dembe purchased in west Denver earlier this year wasn’t her top choice. The first-time buyer had to settle on a home in a neighborhood with a high crime rate after losing out on bids for five properties in more desirable areas.

“I definitely sacrificed in terms of location,” said Nielsen-Dembe, 33, who lives with her husband and two daughters in the house she bought in April for $184,500. “I had to cross streets that were not ideal in order to get a house.”

While the supply of U.S. homes for sale is at an almost two-year high and price gains are moderating, buyers such as Nielsen-Dembe wouldn’t know it. An inventory crunch for entry-level houses has only worsened during the past year as discounted foreclosures become scarce and cash-paying investors snap up affordable listings to convert to rentals. Properties at the lower end of the market are also the most likely to have underwater mortgages, keeping would-be sellers from moving.

“There is inventory coming on line, albeit slowly,” said Nela Richardson, chief economist for Redfin, a Seattle-based brokerage. “The problem is it’s not equally distributed. There is more turnover at the higher end. At the more affordable end of the spectrum, people are stuck.”

The number of U.S. homes for sale in the bottom third of the market — below $198,000 — fell 17 percent in June compared with a year earlier, according to a Redfin analysis of 31 large U.S. metropolitan areas. The supply was up 3 percent in the middle market and jumped 15 percent at the top, the data show.

Average list prices on the low-end jumped 15 percent in June from a year earlier, and increased 13 percent in the middle and 9 percent at the top, according to Redfin’s analysis of large metro areas.

“If you see prices increasing for reasons other than fundamentals, it’s not good for affordability,” Hui Shan, a housing analyst with New York-based Goldman Sachs Group Inc., said. “A lot of it has to do with investors coming into the market and buying properties. Those are not related to local residents’ incomes going up.”

Some properties aren’t available because homebuyers are taking advantage of the strong rental market and leasing out their previous homes.

Others who want to list their houses can’t. Owners of inexpensive houses are three times more likely than those with costly homes to owe more than their property is worth, according to Zillow (Z) Inc. About a third of mortgaged homes in the bottom price tier were in negative equity in the first quarter, compared with 18 percent in the middle and 11 percent at the top, Zillow data show.

First-time purchasers accounted for 28 percent of all sales of previously owned homes in June, down from about 40 percent historically, according to NAR.

The supply of cheaper new homes “isn’t there because young people are still up against these financial barriers,” Crowe said. “The builders are responding to the customer that is active in the market. It will be at least two years before there is a measurable change in the share of sales going to first-time homebuyers.”

Nielsen-Dembe, a nursing assistant who took on two full-time jobs to qualify for her mortgage, said she wanted to buy because she was tired of the relatively high costs of renting. She expected getting financing to be her biggest challenge.

Instead, she struggled with finding a single-family home in her price range. It took six months because of heated competition. Three of the houses she bid on went instead to cash buyers.

She found sellers who needed a flexible buyer because the house they were moving to wasn’t going to be ready for two months.

“I was willing to wait however long they needed,” she said.

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240 Responses to No bargains for new buyers

  1. grim says:

    No bargains for new renters either, from HousingWire:

    Rising rent squeezes Middle America

    For many people, renting instead of buying proves to be a cost-effective way to put a roof over their heads.

    Renting certainly has its potential benefits. For some people, the lower cost of renting allows them to save up to buy a home. In other cases, renters have no choice but to rent.

    And even for others, renting allows them to flexibility to move from place to place without the pain of buying and selling a home.

    Sometimes it’s a combination of many factors.

    The truth remains, for many Americans, paying the rent is an unavoidable reality in their monthly life cycle.

    These days, being a renter means facing a cyclical reality of maybe never owning a home. That’s because it becoming increasingly more difficult for renters to save any money to buy a place of their own because their rent continues to rise.

    In some cases, skyrocketing rents are driving younger renters to move back in with their parents.

    In April, Shaun Donovan, then the Secretary of the United States Department of Housing and Urban Development, called the current environment “the worst rental affordability crisis this country has ever known.”

    According to a recent discussion hosted by CoreLogic (CLGX) along with the Urban Institute, a Washington, D.C.-based nonpartisan economic and social policy research organization, the cost of rent is going to continue to rise.

    “Overall, housing dynamics are currently changing,” Corelogic’s Chief Economist Mark Fleming said in July. “Rental demand is rising while supply is dwindling, as a result of the declining share of distressed assets relative to all homes on the market. Due to this trend, rent prices will continue to climb.”

    The rising cost has been a constant topic of discussion on both coasts, with New York City, San Francisco and Miami constantly among the cities with the highest rent and the highest rate of rent growth.

    But the rising cost of rent is hitting the heartland as well, according to a new report from The Wall Street Journal.

    Nashville, Tennessee; Raleigh, North Carolina; Louisville, Kentucky; Columbus, Ohio; and St. Louis all placed in the top 10 regions for the most rent growth in the second quarter, the article states.

  2. grim says:

    Nanu Nanu

  3. Housing is a three-card monty game, and you’re the mark, folks.

  4. 1987 Condo says:

    #3…life in general is a three card monty game, and we are all the marks…..your point?

  5. 1987 Condo says:

    Good news…especially when you research the potential dangers of colonoscopy, particularly for low risk individuals….

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    http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20140812-905750.html

  6. grim says:

    From MarketWatch:

    Housing prices cool in New York suburbs

    Increases in home prices across much of the New York suburbs over the past year persuaded many homeowners it was finally time to put up for-sale signs.

    But the shock of those higher prices also began to make buyers more cautious, brokers say. The apparent result: Sales across the region fell from last year’s strong pace, and prices have stopped climbing.

    During the second quarter, the peak spring selling season, sales of single- family homes fell 12.1% in Westchester County, compared with the second quarter of 2013, according to brokers Houlihan Lawrence. The median prices were up 0.8% during the same period.

    On Long Island, excluding the East End, sales dipped 6.3% and prices were up 0.8%, according a market report by Douglas Elliman.

    In New Jersey, strong growth in the market last year appeared to have stalled. Last year, the number of home contracts signed rose 16% above the 2012 pace. But in the first half of 2014, they declined 8%, said Jeffrey Otteau, an appraiser and market analyst.

    The median price of a New Jersey home fell 0.1% during the second quarter, compared with the year-earlier period, when it rose 4.1% from the same quarter in 2012, Mr. Otteau said.

    Many analysts said that the seemingly gloomy sales could be good news, a sign of a return to normalcy in a market that was still recovering from the long hangover of the last great housing bust.

    According to this theory, 2013 saw the release of “an abundance of pent-up demand” from people who could afford to buy but who hand been “waiting in the wings for prices to stop declining,” Mr. Otteau said.

    Jonathan Miller, an appraiser who prepared market reports for Long Island and Westchester for brokers Douglas Elliman, described 2013’s rapid price growth as “an anomaly.” He attributed those figures to an easing of uncertainty over both federal spending, the slow recovery at the end of 2012 and a fear that mortgage rates were about to rise sharply.

    “As prices rise, inventory tips into the market,” he said.

    In some New Jersey counties affected by superstorm Sandy, the second-quarter numbers suggested recovery was under way.

    Cape May had the largest increase in median prices in the first half of the year of any county–18.6%–compared with the same period in 2013. Ocean County was second with a 10.3% increase.

    On Long Island, median prices on the north shore of Nassau County were up by 7.7%, while they fell by 3.2% in Suffolk County.

    Prices were up sharply in lower Westchester County, with the median price in Scarsdale in the first half of the year, $1.495 million, up 16% from the same period in 2013, setting a record, Mr. Meyers said.

  7. anon (the good one) says:

    a house in Tiburon just went up in price

  8. jj says:

    On Long Island, median prices on the north shore of Nassau County were up by 7.7%,

    Love how the realtors done mention the year before they fell like 20% due to sandy. Also leave out I had neighbors sell at 40K pre-sandy price after doing a 120K post sandy renovation. The price looks higher but it is not as the buyer who paid 40K more got a house with a new kitchen, water heater, electric etc. Basically if we dont get another sandy they have a worry free house next 20 years for only 40K more

  9. Fast Eddie says:

    Asked about Obama’s slogan of “Don’t do stupid stuff” to describe his foreign policy thinking, Clinton said, “Great nations need organizing principles, and ‘Don’t do stupid stuff’ is not an organizing principle.”

    Any questions?

  10. Anon E. Moose says:

    Grim [6];

    Anecdotally, I’m seeing more for sale signs sprouting in my neighborhood, probably more than when we were looking here 2-3 years ago.

    Good news — the more desirable stuff (primarily, lakefront) is selling, and at 5-10% higher than 2 years ago. Bad news — Not everything is moving quickly. One model like my own, hasn’t moved quickly. Another, a 4.5ksf monster, and priced accordingly, is also sitting.

  11. Brian says:

    I am so mad at Obama that I am going to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016.

  12. chicagofinance says:

    There is all this serious stuff happening in the world right now, and this jackweed needs to Tweet to the masses about Robin Williams….it is so tone deaf…..

    Fast Eddie says:
    August 12, 2014 at 9:06 am
    Asked about Obama’s slogan of “Don’t do stupid stuff” to describe his foreign policy thinking, Clinton said, “Great nations need organizing principles, and ‘Don’t do stupid stuff’ is not an organizing principle.”

    Any questions?

  13. Anon E. Moose says:

    JJ [8];

    Basically if we dont get another sandy they have a worry free house next 20 years for only 40K more.

    Ballers roll the dice, right? Do you feel lucky?

  14. NJGator says:

    Can’t post the link for some reason.

    ATLANTIC CITY – (AP) – Atlantic City’s Revel Casino Hotel says it will shut down in September after failing to find a buyer in bankruptcy court.

    The company announced the move Tuesday, saying it would close its doors Sept. 10.

    The $2.4 billion casino opened just over two years ago, and never turned a profit.

    It was due to be sold at a bankruptcy court auction last week. But that auction was postponed until Thursday to allow casino officials to study bids that were received.

    But after Revel’s board met Monday, the decision was made to shutter the iconic glass-covered casino at the north end of the Boardwalk.

    It will be the second of four Atlantic City casinos to shut down this year as the resort city’s gambling market continues to crumble.

    The city started this year with 12 casinos.

    Trump Plaza and Showboat are closing within weeks.

  15. anon (the good one) says:

    just like Brian, this leaves no choice for to vote for Hillary 2016

    @BarackObama: “Robin Williams was an airman, a doctor, a genie, a nanny … and everything in between. But he was one of a kind.” —President Obama

  16. Libturd in Union says:

    Sandy was a 100 year storm. The likelihood of another hurricane making that sharp left turn into the Jersey Shore is really quite unlikely. A storm carrying stronger winds than Sandy/Irene is a possibility, but that kind of storm surge is not.

  17. NJGator says:

    Grim – Post about closing of Revel stuck in mod.

  18. Libturd in Union says:

    just like Brian, this leaves no choice for to vote for Hillary 2016.

    I will continue my ongoing tradition of voting “none of the above.” To my delight, I noticed others are catching on to this and the “none of the above” vote count continues to increase.
    http://www.lettucedebate.com/images/debate/1_20130418164637.png

  19. NJGator says:

    Atlantic City’s R*vel C*sino to close in September

    ATLANTIC CITY – (AP) – Atlantic City’s R*vel C*sino Hotel says it will shut down in September after failing to find a buyer in bankruptcy court.

    The company announced the move Tuesday, saying it would close its doors Sept. 10.

    The $2.4 billion c*sino opened just over two years ago, and never turned a profit.

    It was due to be sold at a bankruptcy court auction last week. But that auction was postponed until Thursday to allow c*sino officials to study bids that were received.

    But after R*vel’s board met Monday, the decision was made to shutter the iconic glass-covered c*sino at the north end of the Boardwalk.

    It will be the second of four Atlantic City c*sinos to shut down this year as the resort city’s gambling market continues to crumble.

    The city started this year with 12 c*sinos.

    Trump Plaza and Showboat are closing within weeks.

  20. 30 year realtor says:

    Flat is the near term future of the North Jersey real estate market.

  21. Libturd in Union says:

    Revel will close and if no one else steps up to the plate, Caesars will buy them in the Spring of 2015 for less than the former annual operating cost of Showboat. There is a reason they closed Showboat.

  22. Libturd in Union says:

    I just hope the rental market stays as hot as it is in Montklair. My multi has become a pleasantly unexpected gold mine.

  23. Libturd in Union says:

    Not sure if anyone has been following the trials and tribulations on the NJT Montclair/Boonton line, but it’s been absolutely attrocious latetly. Had I commuted on it to the city today, I would have been 45 minutes late. Yesterday, all trains were cancelled out of Penn after 6pm.

    Yesterday’s commute home by car took me a record 38 minutes from door to door. Had they finished the route 3 construction by the Meadowlands, it might have taken me 30 minutes.

    Best of all, the parking allowance pretax is much larger than the transit allowance. Let’s here it for the demise of mass transit and the convenience, speed and low cost of the personal automobile. Plus, I always get a seat, it’s climate controlled and I don’t have to wear headphones.

    Parking is $250/Transit is down to $130. Way to go Obama!

  24. Juice Box says:

    Re # 1 5- 100 year storm?

    Not really….

    Ash Wednesday Storm of 1962 – 45,000 homes in NJ were destroyed

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rdImg7Kdb8

    Long Island Express of 1938, with 183-mile-per-hour winds

    Hurricane Carol in 1954 that wiped out Connecticut

    There are others less than 100 years ago too..

  25. Essex says:

    Atlantic City’s newest casino is shutting its doors just over two years after opening amid high hopes of turning around the crumbling seaside resort’s gambling market.

    Revel Casino Hotel will shut down next month after failing to find a buyer in bankruptcy court, company officials announced Tuesday

    The company said the $2.4 billion casino will close its doors on Sept. 10. It has never turned a profit.

    The closure will mean the loss of more than 3,100 jobs.

  26. Juice Box says:

    re # 22- After Labor Day it is back to gridlock.

  27. Wake me up when AC becomes a prison colony.

  28. Fast Eddie says:

    30 year,

    I can’t believe the lack of real stuff to look at. I almost try to justify why I should buy a house and the list of “can live with” just evaporates to the point where I’d by signing a check almost out of spite. Every agent I meet now seems to be very humble and agreeable. It’s the total opposite of ten years ago.

  29. Fast Eddie says:

    Libturd,

    The Main Line is like clockwork and nary an issue. Knock wood.

  30. Libturd in Union says:

    I loved the Main Line/Clifton Line. It always did run like clockwork. Though, in the winter, they never shoveled the steps down to the street at the Clifton/Athenia station and it was worse than dangerous.

  31. Libturd in Union says:

    I hope you’re wrong Juice. Do you see the $20 tax included early bird parking going away as well?

  32. Juice Box says:

    re # 2 9 – Demand-based pricing for parking is an MBAs wet dream. Early bird parking is only there if there is little demand. Well apparently 259,000 people drive to and from Manhattan for work ever day, there are 1,000 parking garages in Manhattan. All it takes is a few more people driving in like you for prices to go up.

    I wonder what software they use? There are allot of start-ups trying to make a mint on parking spaces.

    http://www.streetsblog.org/2014/07/30/parking-for-profit-apps-are-bad-but-not-because-they-put-a-price-on-parking/

  33. anon (the good one) says:

    @Reuters:
    U.S. job openings at more than 13-year high in June, hiring rises http://t.co/HX27jasn0S

  34. anon (the good one) says:

    chances are many if you won’t see a Republican prez again in your lifetime

    Libturd in Union says:
    August 12, 2014 at 9:52 am
    just like Brian, this leaves no choice for to vote for Hillary 2016.

  35. Bystander says:

    Fast,

    Homes are sitting. The idiots who priced beyond 2005 levels are now going to sit another winter unless they take a low offer now. I am not too picky, just some updates, decent schools and some charm . Believe me, listing a home for 6 mos. is turmoil that people don’t want. Market is ripe for low offer. My only problem is waiting to see if I have to commute to NYC for next job. Might bail on area altogether too.

  36. chicagofinance says:

    lib: Juice has it right. You cannot judge until right after the High Holidays until about mid-November……that six/seven week span is when EVERYONE is at work/at school….no one is taking any kind of holiday or being pulled out of the area for work related travel……if you are still crowing about how great it is in January, I will listen….maybe what you are saying is that you should skip the monthly pass for July & August….

    24. Juice Box says:
    August 12, 2014 at 10:14 am
    re # 22- After Labor Day it is back to gridlock.

    Libturd in Union says:
    August 12, 2014 at 10:02 am
    Not sure if anyone has been following the trials and tribulations on the NJT Montclair/Boonton line, but it’s been absolutely attrocious latetly. Had I commuted on it to the city today, I would have been 45 minutes late. Yesterday, all trains were cancelled out of Penn after 6pm.

    Yesterday’s commute home by car took me a record 38 minutes from door to door. Had they finished the route 3 construction by the Meadowlands, it might have taken me 30 minutes.

    Best of all, the parking allowance pretax is much larger than the transit allowance. Let’s here it for the demise of mass transit and the convenience, speed and low cost of the personal automobile. Plus, I always get a seat, it’s climate controlled and I don’t have to wear headphones.

    Parking is $250/Transit is down to $130. Way to go Obama!

  37. chicagofinance says:

    Another client working on the I-78 corridor for a large NJ headquartered global corporation gets whacked…….

  38. Fast Eddie says:

    anon (the good one) [31],

    So, the discussion concerning income inequality can be put to rest, right?

  39. Fast Eddie says:

    anon (the good one) [32],

    The composition of the country has become one of dependency, envy, weakness and despair. Remember, liberal is just another word for nothing left to lose so the things you and like-minded folks aspire to has come to fruition.

  40. Fast Eddie says:

    Bystander,

    My issue is that I can’t even find something that I would want to bid on, lowball or otherwise. There is just nothing at all to consider. Every agent is echoing the lack of inventory as well.

  41. anon (the good one) says:

    no for the 1%

    Fast Eddie says:
    August 12, 2014 at 11:18 am
    anon (the good one) [32],

    The composition of the country has become one of dependency, envy, weakness and despair. Remember, liberal is just another word for nothing left to lose so the things you and like-minded folks aspire to has come to fruition.

  42. jj says:

    The cheapest five markets by single-family home prices are: the Youngstown-Warren-Boardman, Ohio area at $78,600; the Rockford, Ill. area at $85,300; the Emira, N.Y. area at $87,800; the Decatur, Ill. area at $90,900; and the Toledo, Ohio area at $95,900.

  43. jj says:

    Sandy was actually a once in 713 year storm. The chances of two storms crossing paths at same time in the NY/NJ area at a full moon and hide tide.

    Sandy was not a hurricane. Sandy did not even produced a large amount of rain or wind.

    Libturd in Union says:

    August 12, 2014 at 9:50 am

    Sandy was a 100 year storm. The likelihood of another hurricane making that sharp left turn into the Jersey Shore is really quite unlikely. A storm carrying stronger winds than Sandy/Irene is a possibility, but that kind of storm surge is not.

  44. Libturd in Union says:

    “chances are many if you won’t see a Republican prez again in your lifetime”

    The next Republican president is just a cigar away.

  45. Xolepa says:

    The Great Nor’easter of 62 occurred at high tide. More damaging than Sandy

  46. Fast Eddie says:

    no for the 1%

    How would the potato chip and soda crowd survive without the 1%? It’s the 1% who hire those to run their operations, manage their businesses and ultimately support the Obama voters. How much contribution is enough for the 1%? 50% of income? 75%? Is there a cap or a limit that the meekly informed would accept without crying for more?

  47. jj says:

    The Long Island Express was a storm much worse than Sandy. However, Long Island was far less populated and very few folks lived South of Sunrise Highway.

    Flood Insurance, lack of land and housing built after WWII for Baby boomers caused massive building of homes as full time residences in flood zones. Hence when Sandy hit the effects were massive. If Sandy hit pre-WWII it would not have been bad at all on Long Island as hardly any house would be in flood zones. Also pre-flood insurance and mortgage folks built far more carefully and avoided flood zones when they could. Today, folks most have very little equity in homes and flood insurance is in place. Folks buy where they like.
    Re # 1 5- 100 year storm?

    Not really….

    Ash Wednesday Storm of 1962 – 45,000 homes in NJ were destroyed

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rdImg7Kdb8

    Long Island Express of 1938, with 183-mile-per-hour winds

    Hurricane Carol in 1954 that wiped out Connecticut

    There are others less than 100 years ago too..

  48. Ottoman says:

    It’s cute there are still morons out there that believe trickle down fuels the economy. Of course it’s the exact opposite, demand from the masses with disposable income, that creates opportunity and jobs.

    “How would the potato chip and soda crowd survive without the 1%? It’s the 1% who hire those to run their operations, manage their businesses and ultimately support the Obama voters. How much contribution is enough for the 1%? 50% of income? 75%? Is there a cap or a limit that the meekly informed would accept without crying for more?”

  49. Anon E. Moose says:

    Re: [32];

    Keep wishing and maybe it will come true for you. Just like an Obama promise.

  50. Brian says:

    Thank God. We need to keep the gravy train rolling. Keep the left wing Democrats in power! Yay!

    Nancy Pelosi, Tom Steyer’s Hedge Fund, and a Billion Taxpayer Dollars
    Top House Dem exempted light rail project benefitting mega-donor from cost-effectiveness regulations, then secured federal subsidies
    http://freebeacon.com/politics/nancy-pelosi-tom-steyers-hedge-fund-and-a-billion-taxpayer-dollars/

    anon (the good one) says:
    August 12, 2014 at 10:59 am
    chances are many if you won’t see a Republican prez again in your lifetime

    Libturd in Union says:
    August 12, 2014 at 9:52 am
    just like Brian, this leaves no choice for to vote for Hillary 2016.

  51. chicagofinance says:

    Is that a Janis Joplin song?

    Fast Eddie says:
    August 12, 2014 at 11:18 am
    anon (the good one) [32],
    liberal is just another word for nothing left to lose

  52. Anon E. Moose says:

    Con’t [50];

    Let me translate that for you — baa, baa.

  53. chicagofinance says:

    You know everything works in cycles…..the next time everything blows up, whoever is in power will get the blame because in the blame game people use their index finger not their thumb…

    anon (the good one) says:
    August 12, 2014 at 10:59 am
    chances are many if you won’t see a Republican prez again in your lifetime

  54. Fast Eddie says:

    …demand from the masses with disposable income, that creates opportunity and jobs.

    Where does that income derive? Take your time, we’re here all day.

  55. joyce says:

    If it’s financial or legal related, among others, than it most likely comes from their employer who got it via the Govt

    Fast Eddie says:
    August 12, 2014 at 12:05 pm
    …demand from the masses with disposable income, that creates opportunity and jobs.

    Where does that income derive? Take your time, we’re here all day.

  56. Juice Box says:

    1960 around JJ’s birth date Hurricane Donna created an 11-foot storm tide in the New York Harbor.

    http://www.boweryboogie.com/2012/11/a-brief-nyc-hurricane-history/

  57. Libturd in Union says:

    Juice,

    I’m sure the timing of Hurricane Donna coincided with the time JJ had his girlfriends high heels in the oar locks?

  58. jj says:

    Actually I was not born yet, but Donna was an angel I was banging pre-birth and when I dumped her she just went crazy.

    Libturd in Union says:

    August 12, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    Juice,

    I’m sure the timing of Hurricane Donna coincided with the time JJ had his girlfriends high heels in the oar locks?

  59. Juice Box says:

    The once in every 100 to 400 years storm methodology is flawed. NYC harbor has will flood again. I predict a storm the next 10 years.

  60. Libturd in Union says:

    Yesterday, I was able to drive home from my office (Rock Center) in 38 minutes from door to door. Didn’t even slow down in the tunnel. Might have been able to do it in 30 if they ever finished the construction on 3 after the Meadowlands.

    I do not look forward to September.

  61. anon (the good one) says:

    When we look back someday at the catastrophe that was the Bush administration, we will think of many things: the tragedy of the Iraq war, the shame of Guantánamo and Abu Ghraib, the erosion of civil liberties. The damage done to the American economy does not make front-page headlines every day, but the repercussions will be felt beyond the lifetime of anyone reading this page.

    @stiglitzian: “The Economic Consequences of Mr. Bush” by Joseph Stiglitz (December 2007) http://t.co/otZ2a9xPoG

  62. jj says:

    Well the good news is I have flood insurance now. The bad news is you as taxpayer will be buying me a new house.

    Juice Box says:

    August 12, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    The once in every 100 to 400 years storm methodology is flawed. NYC harbor has will flood again. I predict a storm the next 10 years.

  63. Libturd in Union says:

    I wonder how long it takes before BHO’s ACA will end up being viewed like LBJ’s HUD?

    Baa, Anon, Baa!

  64. chicagofinance says:

    Remember the hidden cost of wear and tear on the car…..the next time you need to redo the CV joints, brakes, and tires….think of your choice

    Libturd in Union says:

    August 12, 2014 at 1:07 pm

    Yesterday, I was able to drive home from my office (Rock Center) in 38 minutes from door to door. Didn’t even slow down in the tunnel. Might have been able to do it in 30 if they ever finished the construction on 3 after the Meadowlands.

    I do not look forward to September.

  65. Libturd in Union says:

    Oh Chi. I have thought about everything. I’m guessing this will only be a Summer gig. Really, it’s the sweaty mess I become when commuting during the Summer heat that I’m really trying to avoid. The new office has a strict dress code, so slacks, dress shirts and dress shoes only. Ever stand in the 53rd street ‘E’ station for 15 minutes in the Summer in dress clothes? It’s worth the tires and tie rods.

  66. NJGator says:

    chifi 66 – Don’t worry. Stu will be back to cramming himself into a middle seat on NJT immediately after Labor Day. Worst case scenario he can drive through the fall, but come December, I’ll be working downtown.

  67. Brian says:

    Chi, most of the stuff your mechanic tells you is total horsesh1t. The auto repair business has 100 times more crooks than the housing market. I drive a car that has 195,000 miles on it now. Never ever trust your mechanic…80% of the crap they tell you that you need fixed is baloney.

    chicagofinance says:
    August 12, 2014 at 1:40 pm
    Remember the hidden cost of wear and tear on the car…..the next time you need to redo the CV joints, brakes, and tires….think of your choice

  68. Libturd in Union says:

    Brian,

    There are some honest ones out there. I found one through my neighbor who has five cars. Two he races, one is his daily car and the other two beaters his wife gets to drive. All five cars are American. My neighbor is a retired telephone poll climber, former military. He’s not that bright, but he knows cars really well. This first time I went to his mechanic was to get the AC going on my Civic. After 18 years, she finally sprung a leak. The part from Honda was $300 alone and he knew I didn’t want to spend it, so he tried to weld the hole closed. It didn’t hold, so he found me a used part from a junk yard. He had to charge the AC a total of three times too. He ended up charging me a total of $300 which is about $700 cheaper than what Firestone wanted. I still use Firestone for oil changes and tuneups though. Heck, they are almost free with the coupons they give me for having their charge card.

  69. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    [62] anon

    The tried and true “it’s so broke, we can never fix it” was a completely predictable, and predicted, response. But it isn’t much of a stretch to have foreseen being in this position, so it could not have really been the fault of any one president or party. Believe it if you want but wishing doesn’t make it so.

    Where we are has been predicted by some for decades now, and they were written off as cranks. Globalization, technology, increase in the debt, these trends are decades in the making and significant contributors to the mess we are in. To be sure, income inequality isn’t helping but it is a consequence, not a cause, and your one-time (and it would only be one time) fix won’t cure it.

    I’ve said it before, and I will say it again. Your utopia can come to pass only if we wall ourselves off from the rest of the world and shred our Constitution in the process. And as utopias go, it won’t resemble the heyday of the middle class. It will resemble Cuba.

    But I get the sense you are okay with that.

  70. anon (the good one) says:

    @stiglitzian:
    “Money that was meant to have trickled down has instead evaporated in the balmy climate of the Cayman Islands.” http://t.co/CU1GeBuqPp

    Ottoman says:
    August 12, 2014 at 11:49 am
    It’s cute there are still morons out there that believe trickle down fuels the economy. Of course it’s the exact opposite, demand from the masses with disposable income, that creates opportunity and jobs.

    “How would the potato chip and soda crowd survive without the 1%? It’s the 1% who hire those to run their operations, manage their businesses and ultimately support the Obama voters. How much contribution is enough for the 1%? 50% of income? 75%? Is there a cap or a limit that the meekly informed would accept without crying for more?”

  71. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    [49] ottoman

    “It’s cute there are still morons out there that believe trickle down fuels the economy. Of course it’s the exact opposite, demand from the masses with disposable income, that creates opportunity and jobs.”

    I found a drawing of Ottoman’s economics professor critiquing Ottoman’s explanation of microeconomics:

    http://www.condenaststore.com/-sp/I-think-you-should-be-more-explicit-here-in-step-two-Cartoon-Prints_i8562937_.htm

  72. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    [73] redux,

    Gator, if I want to order that print, can I get a discount through you?

  73. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    [72] anon,

    Actually, our demand has created and continues to sustain plenty of manufacturing jobs.

    In China, Vietnam, Phillipines, Taiwan, . . . .

    So it does trickle down. Just not here. And your explanation? Let me say it for you: “Greed! Treason! Greed!”

    But perhaps if you yell Greed a few more times, I might be convinced that this is the real reason and not the usual laws of economics. Give it a try, it could work.

  74. painhrtz - whatever says:

    Nom don’t bother, anon would dispute the laws of physics if one of twitter feeds said they were a tool of the rich or conservatives.

  75. Fast Eddie says:

    anon (the good one),

    Are you hungry? Do you need a few bucks or something? Don’t be bashful, just let us know, we’ll pitch in. Did you eat today? Geezus, it must be tough living in the economic he11 hole where you are. We feel for you.

  76. Libturd in Union says:

    Wasn’t Stiglitz an advisor to Clinton? Wouldn’t that make him partially responsible for the great recession? Though I remember him criticizing the porkulous. How quickly Anon forgets about that wasted trillion made up of thank you gifts to everyone who supported Congress and Obama in 2008. I wonder how those birds are doing in the San Francisco Bay? Or the wooden arrow economy? How quickly the libs forget.

  77. NJGator says:

    Nom – 35%

  78. Extinction event, dead ahead.

  79. Xolepa says:

    (77) I can pitch in. I canned over 70 jars of vegetables this summer. Pickles, beets, tomatoes, peppers. Made blueberry jam, too. Surely he needs the basics.

  80. Fast Eddie says:

    Can you imagine how frustrated and angry the liberals must be? They loathe individual success and the ideology they worship is a complete failure so they have no where to turn. Who do they look to for support and dependency? They’re humiliated by the failures of Obama so what do they have left?

  81. anon (the good one) says:

    “Robin Williams tried to slit his wrist with a pocket knife but when that suicide attempt failed he hanged himself with a belt.

    The Marin County Deputy Coroner says Williams was at home alone Monday when he tried slashing his left wrist, but it only left “acute superficial cuts.”

    The Coroner says Williams then took a belt, tied it around his neck and secured it between the closet door and door frame. Williams was in a seated position, slightly suspended with his right shoulder against the door.

    The Coroner also confirmed TMZ’s story … Robin’s personal assistant discovered his body.”

  82. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    [83] anon,

    I think you found an endeavor in which I, and many here, wish you much success.

    (Sorry Clot, but I just had to beat you to it)

  83. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    [79] gator

    We’ll talk.

  84. Libturd in Union says:

    Maybe they should make a movie titled “Dead Comic’s Society.”

    You already have Rappin’ Rodney Dangerfield, Robin Williams, Richard Pryor, Mac, Kinison, and Clay. Of course Clay is still alive somehow, but his career had been dead for the last 20 or so years.

  85. Juice Box says:

    Carlin?

  86. jj says:

    Dice Man did a gig on Long Island just this week.

    Robin Williams was depressed cause his Mommy gave him a Girls name

    Libturd in Union says:

    August 12, 2014 at 3:42 pm

    Maybe they should make a movie titled “Dead Comic’s Society.”

    You already have Rappin’ Rodney Dangerfield, Robin Williams, Richard Pryor, Mac, Kinison, and Clay. Of course Clay is still alive somehow, but his career had been dead for the last 20 or so years.

  87. anon (the good one) says:

    that’s funny. I’m going to Tweet it

    Libturd in Union says:
    August 12, 2014 at 3:42 pm
    Maybe they should make a movie titled “Dead Comic’s Society.”

  88. jj says:

    Robin Willians took a knife barely gave himself a slice
    When he was done he took a rope and tied it to a door
    Now Robin Williams the dope is no more
    And the best comedian alive is a man named Dice

  89. jj says:

    So I just won the grievance on my condo using my “Billy Joel” defense. I obviously overpaid as I am a bad business man. Therefore my purchase price is inflated vs actual market value. This time they agreed my condo is worth 79K less than my 2013 purchase price. The Billy Joel Defense is the best.

    In NYS Court years ago Billy Joel won a tax grievance saying the house is worth 1/2 what he paid for it as Billy Joel has a habit of overpaying.

    I am back to around 1997 values on condo and 1983 values on house

    At one point they will say get the F out and dont come back for a few years. I think I am there.

  90. Hickory, dickory, dock…

  91. chicagofinance says:

    Robin Williams broke the three rules of financial planning:
    #1 Don’t get divorced
    #2 Don’t get damned divorced
    #3 Whatever happens, don’t get divorced at all fcuking costs

  92. Juice Box says:

    re # 93- Chi I thought it was never buy more than two homes?

  93. grim says:

    Anyone getting rid of a mac anytime soon? My old 24″ iMac is on it’s last leg.

  94. anon (the good one) says:

    @NewsBreaker: BREAKING: Police say 5 people have been shot & 2 are dead at three different scenes in Bartow County, Ga. – @wsbtv http://t.co/kDeRNarq4g

  95. anon (the good one) says:

    @asymco: Apple’s market share of US smartphone users reached another record high in June (42.1%)

    grim says:
    August 12, 2014 at 7:47 pm
    Anyone getting rid of a mac anytime soon? My old 24″ iMac is on it’s last leg.

  96. Hughesrep says:

    92

    What else are you supposed to do in line at the bank?

  97. Toxic Crayon says:

    Why is it you don’t post about the shootings that occur daily in Detroit?

    anon (the good one) says:
    August 12, 2014 at 7:53 pm
    @NewsBreaker: BREAKING: Police say 5 people have been shot & 2 are dead at three different scenes in Bartow County, Ga. – @wsbtv http://t.co/kDeRNarq4g

  98. Toxic Crayon says:

    Or Chicago?

  99. Michael says:

    From that article moose posted the other day. Looks like we are going back to the old days where being a landowner put you in a diff class, the upper class. The standard of living is going down for the majority, and up for the minority. I feel bad for the majority, but glad I’m on the right side of the line dividing our society. These people are screwed if this article’s premise holds true.

    I still try to stay optimistic and continue to hope for wage inflation to rescue our country from this future. But reading articles like that lead me to be less and less optimistic of a return of the middle class. Like I said, at least I’m on the right side of this dividing line. These other people better get used to rice and beans if wage inflation doesn’t come.

    “The very idea of homeownership is widely ridiculed in the media as a bad investment and many journalists, both left and right, deride the investment in homes as misplaced, and suggest people invest their resources on Wall Street, which, of course, would be of great benefit to the plutocracy. One New York Times writer even suggested that people should buy housing like food, largely ignoring the societal benefits associated with homeownership on children and the stability communities. Traditional American notion of independence, permanency and identity with neighborhood are given short shrift in this approach.

    This odd alliance between the Clerisy and Wall Street works directly against the interest of the middle and aspiring working class. After all, the house is the primary asset of the middle orders, who have far less in terms of stocks and other financial assets than the highly affluent. Having deemed high-density housing and renting superior, the confluence of Clerical ideals and Wall Street money has the effect on creating an ever greater, and perhaps long-lasting, gap between the investor class and the yeomanry.”

  100. NJGator says:

    Vigoda > Lauren Bacall

  101. Michael says:

    So you finally agree with me? Glad that you realized you made the right move, even if you bought in a higher market.

    Libturd in Union says:
    August 12, 2014 at 9:56 am
    I just hope the rental market stays as hot as it is in Montklair. My multi has become a pleasantly unexpected gold mine.

  102. Ben says:

    Stiglitz was a paid adviser to Greece once they were in danger of default. He went and did the media tour screaming that there is no danger of default if you fix interest rates.

  103. Toxic Crayon says:

    Private vs. Public School: Why would anyone want to send their children to a state funded, public school instead of a private school?

    http://www.quora.com/Private-vs-Public-School/Why-would-anyone-want-to-send-their-children-to-a-state-funded-public-school-instead-of-a-private-school

  104. Toxic Crayon says:

    Riots in Ferguson, Missouri. Police respond in more heavily armed gear than did soldiers on patrol in Afghanistan. Ferguson is also declared a no fly zone, which essentially means no news choppers are able to report on the scene.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/police-militarization-ferguson-2014-8

  105. Libturd at home says:

    Al Sharpton to the rescue.

  106. anon (the good one) says:

    African-Americans are our Palestinians

    Toxic Crayon says:
    August 12, 2014 at 10:17 pm
    Riots in Ferguson, Missouri. Police respond in more heavily armed gear than did soldiers on patrol in Afghanistan. Ferguson is also declared a no fly zone, which essentially means no news choppers are able to report on the scene.

  107. anon (the good one) says:

    that’s the point. it is exactly what they want

    @AntheaButler: Wonder if the folks who want limited govt & unlimited guns realize they support militarized police forces who respond to NO ONE. #Ferguson

  108. jj says:

    Zero delays getting to work today, dont believe the hype

    nwnj says:

    August 13, 2014 at 7:55 am

    LI completely shutdown due to flash flooding. No JJ today.

    http://www.weather.com/news/commuter-conditions/new-york-connecticut-long-island-flood-20140813

  109. Brian says:

    I hope young African-Americans take back the Republican party….the party of Lincoln. Purge the racists from the Republican party and restore it to what it was and should be….

    A conservative party that supports individual rights and self reliance and limited government…..and holds the distinct honor of guiding the United States to victory in the Civil War and their passage and strong support of the 13th amendment (despite strong Democratic opposition). Lincoln’s “Emancipation Proclomation” making freeing the slaves a specific goal of the war, and the Republican’s strong support of the civil rights act of 1964 (in the face of more Democratic opposition in the legislature).

    anon (the good one) says:
    August 13, 2014 at 7:55 am
    African-Americans are our Palestinians

    Toxic Crayon says:
    August 12, 2014 at 10:17 pm
    Riots in Ferguson, Missouri. Police respond in more heavily armed gear than did soldiers on patrol in Afghanistan. Ferguson is also declared a no fly zone, which essentially means no news choppers are able to report on the scene.

  110. Michael says:

    African Americans getting killed by police officers stems from one single problem. Why don’t African Americans respect authority. If a cop tells you to do something, you listen. That’s exactly what my father taught me growing up, never talk back or disrespect an officer, and always do what they say.

    Every single instance of a police officer involved in killing an African American in the past year could have been avoided if they were taught this simple lesson growing up. Simple as that. An officer says to get off the street and go on the sidewalk, you do it.

    And if you expect me to believe this bs story of the boys friend that witness the killing, you have another thing coming. You expect me to believe that in broad daylight, an unarmed civilian put his hands up and then the officer shot him 7 times. That sounds crazy. We will never know the real story.

    Toxic Crayon says:
    August 12, 2014 at 10:17 pm
    Riots in Ferguson, Missouri. Police respond in more heavily armed gear than did soldiers on patrol in Afghanistan. Ferguson is also declared a no fly zone, which essentially means no news choppers are able to report on the scene.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/police-militarization-ferguson-2014-8

  111. painhrtz - whatever says:

    anon those statements make absolutely no sense together but I’m nopt surprised coming from you.

    Michael why don’t African Americans respect authority, hmm lets see no knock raids, stop and frisk, targeting of minority groups, insane number of blacks in the prison system. Shall I go on?

    Hell I don’t respect authority and besides being part Sicilian I’m as white as the driven snow

  112. Michael says:

    Pure propaganda from every direction here. Gotta love bama pushing Obama care!!

    “Let’s talk about some things that are unsustainable going forward,” said Christie during a July 1st town hall in Caldwell. “Here’s one thing that Barack Obama and I agree on. (The president) looks at the New Jersey public health care plan for public workers and says it’s a ‘Cadillac plan.’”

    If the state doesn’t make changes to public workers’ health care plans, New Jersey will be taxed “a fine” for its so-called “Cadillac plan” beginning in Fiscal Year 2018, Christie said, referring to changes under the Affordable Care Act.

    “That’s not me making that decision, that’s the Democratic president of the United States making that decision. … This is what I was dealt with and this is what I have to deal with.”

    Hetty Rosenstein, New Jersey director for the largest state worker union, Communications Workers of America, questioned the report’s statement that workers contributed only 5 percent of premium costs. State workers contribute 19 percent to 35 percent to their premiums, and not the 5 percent cited in the study, she said.

    “We have only had a moment to review the study which we didn’t see until late this afternoon, but it greatly understates employee contributions to the plan and it seems it may combine costs for active and retirees which also distorts costs,” Rosenstein said.

    Rosenstein said state workers have “good healthcare coverage,” but it’s not “extraordinary.”

    “The issue is not the healthcare plan — it’s the overall cost of healthcare in New Jersey. New Jersey doctors charge more, we don’t engage in bulk purchasing of pharmaceuticals, we have private hospitals price gouging, and until the Affordable Care Act, we had one of the highest rates of uninsured in the country. All of these things drive our prices up,” Rosenstein said.

    “Health insurance costs have become a significant portion of states’ overall health care spending, second only to Medicaid,” according to the report. “Nevertheless, little has been known about how states’ employee health plans and costs compare with one another and with those of large, private sector employers.”

    http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/08/nj_has_one_of_the_most_expensive_state_health_benefits_plans_in_nation_new_study_says.html#incart_m-rpt-1

  113. Michael says:

    115- I agree with this statement. The problem is the cost of healthcare in nj. It’s basically armed robbery by the healthcare industry.

    ““The issue is not the healthcare plan — it’s the overall cost of healthcare in New Jersey. New Jersey doctors charge more, we don’t engage in bulk purchasing of pharmaceuticals, we have private hospitals price gouging, and until the Affordable Care Act, we had one of the highest rates of uninsured in the country. All of these things drive our prices up,” Rosenstein said.”

  114. Michael says:

    If white people, Asians, or Latinos treated the officers like the African Americans do, I’m sure we would be seeing more of the same. Why is it always African Americans? Please explain. They are a small % of our population, yet this always happens to them and no one else. You have to start to question why. It comes from how they were raised. They have no respect for authority or rules. Plain and simple.

    All of this could have been avoided if they simply sucked it up and listened to what the officers said. When you are not following orders from an officer and are talking back, it will never ever end well. ESP if you start running away. Like come on, this has nothing to do with racist officers and more to do with people going up against the man. Cops will never do well with individuals who disrespect their authority.

    painhrtz – whatever says:
    August 13, 2014 at 8:50 am
    anon those statements make absolutely no sense together but I’m nopt surprised coming from you.

    Michael why don’t African Americans respect authority, hmm lets see no knock raids, stop and frisk, targeting of minority groups, insane number of blacks in the prison system. Shall I go on?

    Hell I don’t respect authority and besides being part Sicilian I’m as white as the driven snow

  115. Brian says:

    Would you? Is it ok for an officer to point a loaded handgun at an unarmed suspects head? Police are human just like you and me. 90% deserve respect but they are just as flawed as any other civilian human being. In fact, they should be held to higher standards because of the responsibility they have.

    NYPD cop pulls a gun on an unarmed suspect while arresting him.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1478013315775368

    Michael says:
    August 13, 2014 at 8:45 am
    African Americans getting killed by police officers stems from one single problem. Why don’t African Americans respect authority. If a cop tells you to do something, you listen. That’s exactly what my father taught me growing up, never talk back or disrespect an officer, and always do what they say.

  116. Brian says:

    Do I need to post the video of the guy in NY who was choked to death for selling a loosey? (untaxed cigarette)

  117. Brian says:

    118 – if you watch closely at 37 seconds, the officer points a loaded firearm at the man’s head…..

  118. Michael says:

    117- now start attacking me and calling me a racist. Telling you right now, I’m friends with all spectrums. This has nothing to with racism and just calling it how I see it. If these individuals were white, chinese, or Brazilian, I would be saying the same thing…..they should have just listened to the officer before the situation escalated. Officer asks you to get on the sidewalk, you do it. I promise nothing will happen if you say nothing disrespectful back and get on the sidewalk. The officer will move on.

    Btw my white cousin got his ass kicked after he got wasted, walked home, did some mischievous activities, got caught, and ran. They beat his ass for running. Where was rev al sharpton for that? Oh that’s right, my cousin realized he was an idiot and was responsible for what happened to him. You don’t run from cops or disrespect them, it will never end well.

  119. anon (the good one) says:

    Michael, I don’t think that “lack of respect” gives police the right to kill.
    we pay them to protect and serve. they work for us

  120. Michael says:

    The officer is wrong. No doubt. All I’m saying is if the man just listened and did what the officers wanted, he would be alive. Simple as that. African Americans (not all, but a good majority) do not know how to interact with a cop. They are their own worst enemy. Selling illegal cigarettes and then disrespecting officers when they approach you, will never end well. That’s all I’m saying.

    Brian says:
    August 13, 2014 at 9:11 am
    Do I need to post the video of the guy in NY who was choked to death for selling a loosey? (untaxed cigarette)

  121. jj says:

    Puerto Rican, Black, White, Chinese, come on get on your Knees.

    Name the song

  122. joyce says:

    With that logic, you’re just inviting abuse and corruption

    Michael says:
    August 13, 2014 at 8:45 am

    If a cop tells you to do something, you listen. That’s exactly what my father taught me growing up, never talk back or disrespect an officer, and always do what they say.

  123. Michael says:

    Everyone attacking me here, just answer the following question.

    “If white people, Asians, or Latinos treated the officers like the African Americans do, I’m sure we would be seeing more of the same. Why is it always African Americans being killed? Please explain. They are a small % of our population, yet this always happens to them and no one else. You have to start to question why.”

  124. painhrtz - whatever says:

    Michael for the record I always give police the same respect they give me, but respecting authority for authorities sake is stupid. They serve you not the other way around.

  125. joyce says:

    Well, that’s how you introduced yourself way back when… by calling everyone here a racist for not supporting the (over) funding of inner city public schools.

    Michael says:
    August 13, 2014 at 9:18 am
    117- now start attacking me and calling me a racist.

  126. joyce says:

    Passion Fruit… is your favorite movie Judge Dredd? The costume wearing pigs do not have the “authority” to beat anyone for any reason.

    Michael says:
    August 13, 2014 at 9:18 am

    They beat his ass for running

  127. Michael says:

    Take my words to the extreme. Always!

    When an officer gives a simple order you follow. If he is trying extort you, that’s a whole different game.

    If an officer asks you to get on the sidewalk, why can’t you just do it? How is that such a hard thing to do? Why would you risk a confrontation over that. Suck it up, and move to the sidewalk. But no, let’s act hard and get into with the officer because he is disrespecting me by asking me to get on the sidewalk.

    joyce says:
    August 13, 2014 at 9:24 am
    With that logic, you’re just inviting abuse and corruption

    Michael says:
    August 13, 2014 at 8:45 am

    If a cop tells you to do something, you listen. That’s exactly what my father taught me growing up, never talk back or disrespect an officer, and always do what they say.

  128. anon (the good one) says:

    @GuardianUS: Missouri police ‘shoot second man’ in city where Michael Brown was killed http://t.co/0FRwpv2DfO via @jonswaine #Ferguson

  129. Brian says:

    131 – didn’t they learn anything from Iraq and Afghanistan? Going into a civilian neighborhood with body armor, MRAPs, and assault rifles doesn’t exactly win hearts and minds.

  130. painhrtz - whatever says:

    but it sure scares the sh!t out of them while building resentment for the occupiers

  131. Michael says:

    Have you been to a low income area where African Americans live? It’s the Wild West. Why? Because the cops have no authority. It’s out of control. Be careful what you wish for. You get pu$$y cops, then how will they protect you from these lawless thugs? These thugs don’t listen to anyone. St. Louis is full of these thugs. I would never visit that area.

    Someone spoke about Baltimore the other day. Dirt bikes ripping through red lights. People just doing whatever they want. How do you become an effective officer in these areas? I don’t have the answer, I’m asking.

    joyce says:
    August 13, 2014 at 9:30 am
    Passion Fruit… is your favorite movie Judge Dredd? The costume wearing pigs do not have the “authority” to beat anyone for any reason.

    Michael says:
    August 13, 2014 at 9:18 am

    They beat his ass for running

  132. anon (the good one) says:

    I wouldn’t agree with your description, but to answer your question the issues relate to lack of employment opportunities, lack of educational opportunities, entrenched racism by society at large, etc, etc
    police killing African-Americans is not the solution to those very serious problems

    Michael says:
    August 13, 2014 at 9:50 am
    Have you been to a low income area where African Americans live? It’s the Wild West. Why?

  133. All Hype says:

    @GuardianUS: Missouri police ‘shoot second man’ in city where Michael Brown was killed http://t.co/0FRwpv2DfO via @jonswaine #Ferguson

    Obama will address this issue from the back nine later this morning. Nothing, and I mean nothing, will stop this president from working on his golf handicap.

  134. anon (the good one) says:

    exceedingly difficult to break the cycle of poverty and violence in our inner cities. plenty of literature on the subject.
    in most recent New Yorker, Malcolm Gladwell discusses how crime allowed Italians to move up, but hasn’t happened with African-Americans. haven’t read the article yet, but plan to enjoy it this raining evening with a cohiba and black label.

  135. Michael says:

    Anon, do you not agree that the reason for each problem you listed has more to do with parenting, family structure, and culture? Racism is gone man. It can’t hold you back anymore. I think the CEO of coke is African American. The president is half African American. I think racism is a poor excuse. It has more to do with what I stated above. But keep using racism as the reason for the African american’s problems. Al sharpton promoting this propaganda to his own people is wrong. He is distorting their mind and in reality holding African Americans down. Why is he not a racist? He is doing more harm than good for his culture. Why doesn’t he start addressing the issues I stated above to his followers? Being a parent is important. Wish he pushed that issue instead of the bs racism card. A hole.

    If other cultures stopped parenting and installing a family structure based on morals and values, the same thing will happen to them. African Americans biggest threat is not the white man, it’s the African American men knocking up multiple baby mommas and never ever teaching their kids anything but the wrong thing. Go on youtube and type in African American 2 year olds talking like trash. It’s not racism man. It’s self inflicted harm from their own family members.

    anon (the good one) says:
    August 13, 2014 at 10:10 am
    I wouldn’t agree with your description, but to answer your question the issues relate to lack of employment opportunities, lack of educational opportunities, entrenched racism by society at large, etc, etc
    police killing African-Americans is not the solution to those very serious problems

    Michael says:
    August 13, 2014 at 9:50 am
    Have you been to a low income area where African Americans live? It’s the Wild West. Why?

  136. Libturd in the City says:

    Brown was a gang member with a rap sheet including armed burglary, not to mention his juvy charges. I do not justify his killing, but rarely (though occasionally) does the victim not have a history of crime and usually they are armed. Is it possible this six year veteran of the force knew about Brown’s priors? Absolutely. Is it possible that this was the case of a bad cop? Absolutely. But I don’t see it as racism. White kids with rap sheets get shot by cops too. Especially when they are gangbangers.

    It’s a shame that cops don’t have tiny video cameras on their guns. This would solve a lot of these problems.

  137. jj says:

    wow so anyhow I went a little crazy on my condo development. I filed a tax greivance pre-purchase in old owners name, filed a sandy damage grievance for for my unit and entire building myself as a board member, then engaged an attorney to file for 15 out of the 30 unit owners who signed on, then the assessor office is working with me to reassess entire building. All in all on a place I own 14 months I filed or helped file tax grievances on the 2013, 2014 and 2015 taxes and we have plans to grieve 2016 regardless of outcomes.

    I think I completely overwelmed the assessors office.

    Does stuff like this go on in New Jersey? Can someone like me with time and way too much knowledge on a subject just take the entire assessor office down a rabbit hole?

  138. Michael says:

    139- by not being a parent, you are simply doing more harm than racism or the white man could ever do. It’s not rocket science.

  139. Brian says:

    http://www.policeone.com/police-products/body-cameras/articles/7446970-NJ-chief-calls-body-cameras-a-game-changer/

    Libturd in the City says:
    August 13, 2014 at 10:31 am

    It’s a shame that cops don’t have tiny video cameras on their guns. This would solve a lot of these problems.

  140. Libturd in the City says:

    Anon…Why no mention of the African American woman who got shot by the 5 African American men in a white sedan last night in Ferguson?

    Semms like Ferguson has a major gang problem.

    Have you seen this picture of Brown making the VL sign?

  141. Brian says:

    After reading your stories I got all the paperwork together to grieve a few years ago but every comp I tried to use had a code on it marked by the assessor’s office saying I could not use it as a comp to grieve. Since then, they reassessed everyone so that values were more in line with the market. Of course, taxes did not go down…..

    Values seem to be creeping up in my area this summer so, I may see if I can refinance again to reduce my payment a bit.

    Our assessor seemed to be on top of his game in my area and did not really give anyone the chance to do any serious grieving of taxes….

    jj says:
    August 13, 2014 at 10:33 am
    wow so anyhow I went a little crazy on my condo development. I filed a tax greivance pre-purchase in old owners name, filed a sandy damage grievance for for my unit and entire building myself as a board member, then engaged an attorney to file for 15 out of the 30 unit owners who signed on, then the assessor office is working with me to reassess entire building. All in all on a place I own 14 months I filed or helped file tax grievances on the 2013, 2014 and 2015 taxes and we have plans to grieve 2016 regardless of outcomes.

    I think I completely overwelmed the assessors office.

    Does stuff like this go on in New Jersey? Can someone like me with time and way too much knowledge on a subject just take the entire assessor office down a rabbit hole?

  142. Libturd in the City says:

    “Does stuff like this go on in New Jersey? Can someone like me with time and way too much knowledge on a subject just take the entire assessor office down a rabbit hole?”

    Until they reassessed the neighborhood, my Gator employed similar tactics.

  143. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    [139] Michael

    You won’t win that argument. Not because you aren’t right but because the left has their collective fingers in their ears.

    They believe that the race card is a trump card. You throw it down and win the debate. In reality, it is more like the EMP from The Matrix. You use it as a last resort; when you are losing, you trigger it and everything stops.

    One of my favorite debate tricks at the outset of an argument is to challenge the opposing party to a bet: for every time that they refer to something as racist, they have to contribute a dollar to a pot. That money goes to a charity that I designate. It’s fun to watch them squirm as they try to avoid going to their regular go-to card. Or, if there are people in attendance that I know will go along, I have them bet on the over/under. someone keeps score and at the end of the session, I asked what the over/under was. The indignation on the opposing party’s face when he or she learns that we’ve been counting how many times they throw down the race card, is delicious.

  144. NJT says:

    #142 JJ:

    Back in the 90s in a Morris County NJ town I grieved/appealed taxes on 3 of my properties, twice, and told all of my friends and associates to do the same.

    I was told to stop it, or else.

    Didn’t see increases for a long time and then they were mild. Didn’t grieve/appeal again, either.

    *Note – there are a hundred ways a municipality can handle a ‘troublemaker’.

    Moved out of there a few years ago. I hear taxes are now ridiculous (as I predicted – feels good to right sometimes).

  145. Fast Eddie says:

    Michael [139],

    I agree with you. It starts in the home. There needs to be support, structure, guidance and discipline. That’s where the problem resides. Clean up your neighborhood, paint the house, go to work and teach your children. When the worst parts of the inner city are transformed, then you’ll see a shift in attitude and stereotype.

  146. anon (the good one) says:

    agree 100% with you on the parenting issue.

    but bad parenting doesn’t give police the right to kill you for selling cigarettes on the street to support your family

    Michael says:
    August 13, 2014 at 10:40 am
    139- by not being a parent, you are simply doing more harm than racism or the white man could ever do. It’s not rocket science.

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  148. jj says:

    I have been trying to avoid the trouble maker stigma. In condo as a board member I do the grieving for widows, orphans, seniors and flooded lower level units. However, usually building as a whole will get reduced. I dont mention myself. My unit I also filed under old owners name and using a lawyer. Right now I technically am not grieving under my name for my unit.

    However, I think they know they have to give me something everytime as I keep appealing and appealing and appealing. Once they offer me any amount even if small if I accept I waive right to appeal. Last year they gave me a lousy $3,700 assessed value off which is $300 bucks a year off my taxes and I rolled the dice and rejected it, then I lost the appeal and then I appealed the appeal and won big. I did not want the lousy 300 buck reduction in taxes as I want them to know offering me peanuts wont get me to accept. Going forward they have to give me somewhat decent amount to prevent me from appealing again and again.

    I think under my primary home I broke the bank last year so I am taking a few years off.

    NJT says:

    August 13, 2014 at 11:03 am

    #142 JJ:

    Back in the 90s in a Morris County NJ town I grieved/appealed taxes on 3 of my properties, twice, and told all of my friends and associates to do the same.

    I was told to stop it, or else.

    Didn’t see increases for a long time and then they were mild. Didn’t grieve/appeal again, either.

    *Note – there are a hundred ways a municipality can handle a ‘troublemaker’.

    Moved out of there a few years ago. I hear taxes are now ridiculous (as I predicted – feels good to right sometimes).

  149. Libturd in the City says:

    Anon wrote, “the issues relate to lack of employment opportunities, lack of educational opportunities, entrenched racism by society at large, etc,”

    Not only am I not a racist, but I actually go out of my way to deter racism in attempt to balance the playing field. I know many are dealt a bad hand at birth, but our ideas for changing this situation differ greatly.

    Frequently, to avoid the traffic on the GSP through Essex County, I take a shortcut through some of the most depressed neighborhoods in NJ. These include Irvington, Orange and the Vailsburg section of Newark. I’ve probably taken this shortcut about fifty times, but I never feel comfortable doing it. During the Summer, it’s even scarier as everyone is hanging outside, instead of inside to escape the heat of their public housing. As I drive through, the angry stares I receive are both real and terrifying. If you want to experience racism, follow me through the hood some time. The last time I drove through, I had about 2K in my wallet returning from a good trip to AC. I didn’t even feel safe stopping at stop signs and it didn’t help that I was driving my gangbuster favorite of a car, the Civic Hatchback.

    So what you are saying is that inner city crime is justified due to the bad hand they have been dealt? Try to tell that to the Mexican day laborers I pass everytime I head to the Home Depot. I went to the one in Passaic recently on my way back from a soccer tryout in Garfield and there had to be 300 of them lining both sides of the road. I did not feel threatened at all. Why is that? Were they not dealt even a worse hand? Does society at large not feel the same about the Mexicans that they feel about African Americans? I would love an answer, but I don’t expect one from Anon.

  150. grim says:

    I ride my bike through that area all the time, not so bad.

    Although in the spandex, they may think I’m a superhero and just not f*ck with me.

  151. grim says:

    155 – Check your work ethic

  152. Michael says:

    Well said!! I feel safe going through passaic. Irvington, hell no.

    Libturd in the City says:
    August 13, 2014 at 11:16 am
    Anon wrote, “the issues relate to lack of employment opportunities, lack of educational opportunities, entrenched racism by society at large, etc,”

    Not only am I not a racist, but I actually go out of my way to deter racism in attempt to balance the playing field. I know many are dealt a bad hand at birth, but our ideas for changing this situation differ greatly.

    Frequently, to avoid the traffic on the GSP through Essex County, I take a shortcut through some of the most depressed neighborhoods in NJ. These include Irvington, Orange and the Vailsburg section of Newark. I’ve probably taken this shortcut about fifty times, but I never feel comfortable doing it. During the Summer, it’s even scarier as everyone is hanging outside, instead of inside to escape the heat of their public housing. As I drive through, the angry stares I receive are both real and terrifying. If you want to experience racism, follow me through the hood some time. The last time I drove through, I had about 2K in my wallet returning from a good trip to AC. I didn’t even feel safe stopping at stop signs and it didn’t help that I was driving my gangbuster favorite of a car, the Civic Hatchback.

    So what you are saying is that inner city crime is justified due to the bad hand they have been dealt? Try to tell that to the Mexican day laborers I pass everytime I head to the Home Depot. I went to the one in Passaic recently on my way back from a soccer tryout in Garfield and there had to be 300 of them lining both sides of the road. I did not feel threatened at all. Why is that? Were they not dealt even a worse hand? Does society at large not feel the same about the Mexicans that they feel about African Americans? I would love an answer, but I don’t expect one from Anon.

  153. Juice Box says:

    Humm the lengths some people will go to today to keep their homes.

    Some guys are just suckers. A divorced coworker here got a new GF he met online, she moved in with him pretty quickly. After a month or so she says she needs money and asks him for a loan of 60 grand and says something like she wants to sell her house to stay with him but her house was underwater and she needs the money to sell it. He being a dope gives it to her. Well she moved unannounced out over the weekend with his money. Guess where the money went? To keep her underwater house!

    He then emails and texts her for the money etc and asks for it back asap, well she goes and gets a restraining order for “cyber bullying” because he was emailing her asking for his money back! He went to court to represent his side of the story this week and of-course the judge ruled to keep the restraining order.

    Dope then contacts her again via email!!! He could get locked up now. I told him to put his anger aside put down the damm keyboard and get a lawyer ASAP.

    FYI the “she” of the story isn’t some stripper but an education professional working in one of our school districts.

  154. Michael says:

    You drove through in the morning or early afternoon, right? Try doing that drive by at 6 or 7pm, you will more than likely get messed with. Drive through at 9pm and you might not make it out alive. I’m talking summer, not winter.

    grim says:
    August 13, 2014 at 11:23 am
    I ride my bike through that area all the time, not so bad.

    Although in the spandex, they may think I’m a superhero and just not f*ck with me.

  155. Michael says:

    Well said! Everything you have stated would work if these people were capable of following this plan. Have some pride in your neighborhood. You don’t have to be wealthy to make it a nice place to live. You just have to have respect and values for your community.

    Fast Eddie says:
    August 13, 2014 at 11:04 am
    Michael [139],

    I agree with you. It starts in the home. There needs to be support, structure, guidance and discipline. That’s where the problem resides. Clean up your neighborhood, paint the house, go to work and teach your children. When the worst parts of the inner city are transformed, then you’ll see a shift in attitude and stereotype.

  156. anon (the good one) says:

    why you ask me? ask your shrink

    “I did not feel threatened at all. Why is that?
    I would love an answer, but I don’t expect one from Anon.”

  157. Michael says:

    Great points and great advice. Racism card is such bs when we are living in society where a white man is afraid to say anything to an African American. White people go out of their way to avoid being called a racist. It’s suicide in our society. No one will associate with a racist (esp other whites). It’s sad that African Americans still believe that all white people are racist. Pretty disturbing. They don’t realize that white people avoid the culture, not the color of the skin. White people want nothing to do with people that knock up multiple girls. It’s frowned upon in our culture, as opposed to glorified in their culture. Yes, you are a pimp!!! High five!!!! Idiots.

    Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:
    August 13, 2014 at 10:47 am
    [139] Michael

    You won’t win that argument. Not because you aren’t right but because the left has their collective fingers in their ears.

    They believe that the race card is a trump card. You throw it down and win the debate. In reality, it is more like the EMP from The Matrix. You use it as a last resort; when you are losing, you trigger it and everything stops.

    One of my favorite debate tricks at the outset of an argument is to challenge the opposing party to a bet: for every time that they refer to something as racist, they have to contribute a dollar to a pot. That money goes to a charity that I designate. It’s fun to watch them squirm as they try to avoid going to their regular go-to card. Or, if there are people in attendance that I know will go along, I have them bet on the over/under. someone keeps score and at the end of the session, I asked what the over/under was. The indignation on the opposing party’s face when he or she learns that we’ve been counting how many times they throw down the race card, is delicious.

  158. Michael says:

    Check out this video and the lyrics for this song that is hot in the ghettos right now. The title of the song is racist itself. How, as a white man, can I repeat the title of this song in public? This video shows everything wrong with this culture.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vJwKKKd2ZYE

  159. anon (the good one) says:

    so who wants answer why grim is not scared of African-Americans?

    grim says:
    August 13, 2014 at 11:23 am
    I ride my bike through that area all the time, not so bad.

    Although in the spandex, they may think I’m a superhero and just not f*ck with me.

  160. nwnj says:

    In NJ the assessor and appeal board are both paid by property taxes. Gee, that isn’t a conflict of interest, is it?

    A guy around the corner from me knows a guy who is buddy with the assessor, of course his buddy has a very low assessment. Guy around the corner grieved, and got a call from the assessor and asked he dropped his assessment by X amount, would my neighor drop the appeal?

    Of course he took the deal.

  161. Michael says:

    No one is scared of African Americans. They are scared of thugs. Bloods and crips scare people. God bless the cops dealing with these thugs on a daily basis.

    anon (the good one) says:
    August 13, 2014 at 11:48 am
    so who wants answer why grim is not scared of African-Americans?

    grim says:
    August 13, 2014 at 11:23 am
    I ride my bike through that area all the time, not so bad.

    Although in the spandex, they may think I’m a superhero and just not f*ck with me.

  162. Libturd in the City says:

    IN MY OPINION, the main problem with the inner city is the lack of jobs and the lack of value of an education. The educational opportunities are there, but children need direction and they are not getting it in these neighborhoods. The jobs aren’t there because the majority of the people are living on the dole and are just comfortable enough to not need to work. Certainly not at the minimum wage which pays less than welfare. But the cycle continues unabated as it requires an education to get a better paying job.

    There are exceptions of course. I’ve had the pleasure of working in college with many inner city kids who were taking advantage of the opportunities offered of them. The common theme about all of these kids was that they were church loving, law abiding, mommas boys and girls. Really, every single one of them. It’s funny too. Since I worked at college over my summers, I witnessed both the Upward Bound students and the EOF students. Upward Bound applicants, a federal program, required a display of academic achievement in high school. These kids sacrificed six weeks of their Summer every year of high school up at a college in prep classes. The EOF applicants, a NJ program, simply requires low income, but academic credentials are ignored. I honestly did not know of a single EOF student who made it past their freshman year. I know, for I wrote many EOF students papers (which is why they probably failed). I also paid them $100 for their $500 book vouchers to save on my books. But they always just partied on our tax dime. The moral of the story here is that the individual must take some responsibility for their actions. The educational opportunities are there, but they must seek them. Handouts never help. Want to keep a person on a soup line? Keep giving them free soup.

  163. anon (the good one) says:

    Michael your generalizations are getting disturbing.
    One aspect of racism is exactly wide generalizations. A non-racist understands nuance

    Michael says:
    August 13, 2014 at 11:40 am
    . It’s sad that African Americans still believe that all white people are racist. Pretty disturbing.

  164. Libturd in the City says:

    “why you ask me? ask your shrink”

    I don’t have one, can you refer me to yours?

  165. Libturd in the City says:

    Anon,

    You generalize to no end when it comes to bashing anyone who does not share your sheepish opinions. Give it a rest.

  166. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    [167] michael

    Michael, Michael, Michael, do you not learn? You are using up electrons needlessly. anon isn’t changing his tune no matter how bad it is, and no one else needs convincing that he is living in an alternate reality.

    He reminds me of my children; when they insist they are right and the world operates as they think, I am wrong, and won’t hear me argue to the contrary, I let them go about things they way they want. Eventually, they figure it out.

  167. jj says:

    Blacks be scared of me. Think I am 50.

  168. Anon E. Moose says:

    Re: [165];

    so who wants answer why grim is not scared of African-Americans?

    Si vi pacem, para bellum(9mm)? Well-armed is “well regulated”.

  169. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    [169] anon

    “A non-racist understands nuance”

    I guess that makes you a racist. You have yet to show anyone that you understand nuance on any level.

    (yeah, I know, feeding the troll, but that one was too hard to resist. Back to work, I promise).

  170. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    [173] JJ

    Absolutely correct. I have similar experiences. Of course, being around cops all my life probably helped in that regard. Also, there is science to back that up; if you carry yourself a certain way, people are subconsciously less likely to fcuk with you.

    Works in a lot of situations too. Apparently, I come across as a tough guy: I am anything but a tough guy but if you look and act badass, people just assume it. Decades ago, I used to visit a GF on L.I. She had an ex who was still a bit obsessive and would drive by the house periodically. One of her friends, who still talked to the ex, told me that he saw me one day and thought I looked tough. It was funny to me because this guy was twice my size, very strong, and could have broken me in half if he wanted to.

  171. joyce says:

    Comrade,
    I think you hold the top spots for both responding to the troll as well as telling others not to respond to him.

  172. Michael says:

    Anon, I think you missing the point I’m trying to make. I’m being honest and sincere from a white man’s perspective here. I truly believe that most white people are not racist anymore. I think they just hate everything about the thug culture. The thug can be black, white, brown, or blue…..and the whites or I should state that the general population will hate these people and what they stand for. It’s not racism man. Every nationality hates thugs and thug life. Ask African Americans who made it out of these areas how they feel about thugs?

    anon (the good one) says:
    August 13, 2014 at 11:57 am
    Michael your generalizations are getting disturbing.
    One aspect of racism is exactly wide generalizations. A non-racist understands nuance

    Michael says:
    August 13, 2014 at 11:40 am
    . It’s sad that African Americans still believe that all white people are racist. Pretty disturbing.

  173. Libturd in the City says:

    If Grim really bikes through the area I drive through, then this kid is plumb crazy.

  174. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    [177] Joyce,

    Fair point. I don’t claim to be consistent. But in his case, its so damn hard to lay off.

    I have been trying to make a better effort at this and I think I have been much improved when it comes to replying to certain people. Wouldn’t you agree?

  175. jj says:

    It is true no white person is racist. I can guarantee that. However, white folks exhibits what looks like racism when it is not. Take this example.

    lets say you ride the train to work everyday, good looking college educated couple sits next to you you get paid $1,000, Asian couple $500, Hispanic couple zero, Black Black Unemployed couple you have to pay them $1,000. Who do you hope sits next to you? Honestly race is of no concern of you only money, the race that pays the most you want.

    So this what happens quite often in housing. It is folks biggest investment so whover buys next to you effects your property value. So of course you care who buys. However, in real life who sits next to you on train is of no bearing to your economic life. So you are more than happy lets say to sit to certain people on train, have them as your bosses, have them as your best man at wedding you name it, But if moving next door to you causes your home to fall 50K in value you dont want it. Does not make you a racist just a realist.

    Michael says:

    August 13, 2014 at 12:14 pm

    Anon, I think you missing the point I’m trying to make. I’m being honest and sincere from a white man’s perspective here. I truly believe that most white people are not racist anymore. I think they just hate everything about the thug culture. The thug can be black, white, brown, or blue…..and the whites or I should state that the general population will hate these people and what they stand for. It’s not racism man. Every nationality hates thugs and thug life. Ask African Americans who made it out of these areas how they feel about thugs?

  176. Libturd in the City says:

    If JJ moves next door to you, I highly recommend you do not grow onions in your garden.

  177. Brian says:

    You are both racist against racists and prejudiced people.

    anon (the good one) says:
    August 13, 2014 at 11:57 am
    Michael your generalizations are getting disturbing.
    One aspect of racism is exactly wide generalizations. A non-racist understands nuance

    Michael says:
    August 13, 2014 at 11:40 am
    . It’s sad that African Americans still believe that all white people are racist. Pretty disturbing.

  178. Libturd in the City says:

    “Race” is a social invention.

  179. joyce says:

    Perhaps a little bit. There’s nothing wrong with getting the enjoyment that you do via arguing with anonymous trolls on the internet… it’s just not for everyone.

    Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:
    August 13, 2014 at 12:23 pm
    [177] Joyce,

    Fair point. I don’t claim to be consistent. But in his case, its so damn hard to lay off.

    I have been trying to make a better effort at this and I think I have been much improved when it comes to replying to certain people. Wouldn’t you agree?

  180. grim says:

    I’m an intelligencist.

    I will absolutely discriminate against idiots, and I prefer the company of nerds.

  181. Libturd in the City says:

    I find Michael’s naivety entertaining. Much like listening to the workforce discuss the stories that pop up on Fox News in the breakroom of the manufacturing plant I work at in Union. Everything to them is a conspiracy. It’s pretty funny. They believe everything that Fox reports as the gospel.

  182. painhrtz - whatever says:

    Lib my neighbor is like that she thinks ISIS terrorists are showing up in Randolph tomorrow, but she is near 80 and grew up in a much more jingoistic post WWII world. So I cut her some slack.

    Nom that was the lesson I got as a kid act like you belong there and nobody will f*ck with you.

    Grim I hate morons don’t care what color they are

  183. Libturd in the City says:

    Much like my retired union neighbor. I was adding an exterior light switch and an exterior socket to the circuit that contains a security light over my deck. I actually replaced the light with an RAB fixture as well (those not familiar with RAB floods are destined to replace their floods every few years). Well my neighbor, the former poll climber, made such a big deal about turning off the circuit breaker, even though I had a light switch in my dining room that already opened the circuit. What is up with that? We are only talking 110V. Who wants to run up and down to the basement if you don’t have to.

    By the way, if you ever need pipe intended for electric conduit cut and threaded, American Hardware on Park and Watchung in Montklair does it and for next to nothing. They also repair screens among other things. I love that joint, though they are very overpriced on certain things. I needed some new pipe hangers to attach the conduit to the exterior wall of my house and the hardware store wanted $2.50 for one of them. I bought ten of them in Home Depot instead for $2.99.

    I also purchased a rotary hammer with tons of discounts from Lowes in Paterson (3% sales tax). What used to take me 20 minutes and two masonry bits to do with my crappy rechargeable impact driver took 3 seconds with the rotary hammer. Best $180 I ever spent. Besides my tiger saw, might be my favorite tool in the collection.

  184. chicagofinance says:

    The End Is Nigh (2001 A Space Odyssey Edition):

    When a Florida man allegedly strangled his roommate in 2012 and couldn’t find a good place to dump his body, he received help from a familiar source — his iPhone digital assistant, Siri.

    “I need to hide my roommate,” Bravo asked Siri.

    “What kind of place are you looking for?” she responded, before listing four of the best options available.

    “Swamps, reservoirs, metal foundries, dumps,” said Siri.

    Pedro Bravo is accused of kidnapping and strangling his buddy Christian Aguilar in September 2012 when the two got into an argument over Bravo’s ex-girlfriend, whom Aguilar had begun dating, the Independent reports.

    Despite not knowing Aguilar’s whereabouts, cops charged Bravo with murder.

    Aguilar’s body was found weeks later when hunters discovered him in a shallow grave in a nearby forest.

    Bravo’s chilling conversation with Siri was presented in a photo Tuesday as evidence by Gainesville Police Department Detective Matt Goeckel during Bravo’s murder trial, according to local TV station WPXI.

    Goeckel said that when cops pinpointed the locations of Bravo’s cellphone on the night of Aguilar’s death, they did not match where Bravo had claimed to be.

    In addition, his iPhone records showed he had used the flashlight function on his phone nine times from 11:31 p.m to 12:01 a.m on the day of Aguilar’s disappearance, according to the Independent.

    Prosecutors believe that Bravo strangled Aguilar at a Walmart on North West 13th Street, and additional cellphone data is being collected to determine if any satellite pings place him at the scene.

    The murder trial is expected to come to an end next week.

  185. Michael says:

    I don’t know how I got sucked into this race debate. Just get sick of the media focusing on these type of stories. They create hysteria over bs. When reporting the story, they are all over the place with the facts and constantly pushing bs. Making it seem like this was some innocent individual that is a perfect angel and was only getting shot at by a cop because they were African American. Please save me the bs.

    It’s wrong to report on a story when you don’t have the facts and then give a biased opinion that will end up causing a divide in the country. Just state that an 18 year old was shot by a police officer. We don’t know the exact facts, but will report when we have the facts. Instead they start interviewing people who are spewing bs. Sad, they knowingly do this kind of reporting because they know it will create ratings. It’s like the trayvon Martin case. Jesus, the media massacred that story. You didn’t know what the hell the facts were till the trial started. What a joke. Loved how the media jumped on the trayvon story initially, because they thought it was a white on black crime. Too bad the guy was Latino.

  186. Libturd in the City says:

    What I can’t stand is the looting of one’s own neighborhood as a type of protest. If the cops in question are indeed racist, then the looters are just encouraging more shootings through lootings.

  187. grim says:

    I’m going to stop over Lib’s house to loot some groceries on my way home.

    He is rich, he lives in Glen Ridge, it’s only fair.

  188. Michael says:

    191- forgot to add that the media doesn’t just leave it at an 18 year old when describing the story, instead they must state an unarmed African American 18 year old was shot and killed by a cop. Why does the media have to report the race. Why is race the got damn focus? This is my problem. They create racial hysteria over a sad attempt at better ratings. Wrong in so many ways. If anything, the people that make it a race issue are the racists. They are spewing racist propaganda. The race should not even be reported. It just gets a bunch of African Americans riled up over a bs issue, when they should be focusing their energy instead on their education and improvement of the community. Now these guys are rioting and making this place a war zone. Good job media!!

  189. Michael says:

    194- best part, now that area will be even poorer and worst off. Good job sharpton!!!

    Also, picture the amount of money being wasted by the govt trying to contain this riot. Not only losing tax money by businesses being closed down, but now paying a ton of tax money on trying to contain the issue. Police ot. Smoke grenades aren’t cheap either.

  190. Libturd in the City says:

    “I’m going to stop over Lib’s house to loot some groceries on my way home.”

    You better have a thick cable on your bicycle lock!

  191. Anon E. Moose says:

    Michael [191]

    I don’t know how I got sucked into this race debate.

    !?! Mr. Short-Term Memory, you didn’t “[get] sucked into this race debate,” you started it.

    Why don’t African Americans respect authority.

  192. Anon E. Moose says:

    Lib [196];

    How about rolling through the hood in his spiffy EV?

  193. jj says:

    If I move next door to you change your sheets before you go to bed. Afternoon Delight.

    Libturd in the City says:

    August 13, 2014 at 12:26 pm

    If JJ moves next door to you, I highly recommend you do not grow onions in your garden.

  194. Libturd in the City says:

    On the second shooting, I googled the incident and the reporters were more interested in knowing the cops race than any other detail. News sells. Racist news sells a lot more. I heard, Anon changed his middle name to Travyon just before pouring ice water over his head.

  195. jj says:

    Just get a big brown Crayon and you too can be a Trayon

  196. Libturd in the City says:

    “How about rolling through the hood in his spiffy EV?”
    The bicycle might be safer. No range anxiety.

  197. jj says:

    Rolling down the street sipping on gin and juice.

    Actually hung our w/ Snoop East Coast and West Coast. He aint a playa hata

  198. Libturd in the City says:

    I have a very fancy EQ that I stole from Cypress Hill when their tour stopped at Montklair State College. Man did those guys smoke a lot of ganga.

  199. grim says:

    Who loots their own neighborhood, idiots.

    I couldn’t understand this during the stupid LA can’t we all just get along riots, still don’t understand it.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m all over a good riot, but you don’t shit where you sleep.

  200. grim says:

    Waste of a good looting, they should have went over to wall street and showed the sissy tea party how it’s done

  201. Libturd in the City says:

    How about looting after your NBA team either wins or loses the championship. There’s a reason so many of Newark’s storefronts are still boarded up.

  202. Libturd in the City says:

    Did someone highjack the real Grim?

    First, no new posted RE article on a Wednesday. Second, this Grim doesn’t sound like the old Grim. Sissy tea party?

  203. grim says:

    Excuse me while I burn down my own house in protest.

  204. grim says:

    Flight cancelled last night, spent an evening snuggling with bed bugs in an airport hotel, was back at the airport at 4am trolling the ticket counters for a standby, finally made it out at 6am. Better than the three connection tour-of-the-USA they had rescheduled me on.

  205. painhrtz - whatever says:

    Having been in that area of MO it would be kind of hard for them to get to the nice areas.

    Grim why stop by when he is home it isn’t like Lib Gator and the kids are home during the day ; )

  206. nwnj says:

    One thing has become clear throughout this rioting episode, Ferguson MO is a hellhole of a place.

  207. Libturd in the City says:

    “Grim why stop by when he is home it isn’t like Lib Gator and the kids are home during the day ; )”

    But my viscous Golden Doodle and my retired neighbor, who will certainly talk your head off, will be there. Plus, we haven’t shopped for groceries in ages. As a matter of fact, I have retirees on both sides and a stay at home mom across the street. But go ahead. Just don’t steal my Boaks Beer.

  208. painhrtz - whatever says:

    I think that would be the only thing I would grab Lib with the 20 year old car, SNES, and Gator’s reams of adult paperbacks what else would there be to take? Maybe your 15 year old TAKS but they probably aren’t my size.

  209. Libturd in the City says:

    Tacks? Nope. Bauer’s. Wide feet. Though I only paid $50 for them new about 15 years ago. I have nice speakers on my stereo, but you better have a crane to carry them.

  210. NJGator says:

    Lib – Don’t forget the other neighbor who called the cops on you when you came home and didn’t turn on the lights one night. No way is anyone getting into our place when we’re not home.

  211. Libturd in the City says:

    So true.

  212. Libturd in the City says:

    The best was when the cops came to the door and I was in my tighty whiteys. They asked what I was doing in the house and I responded, sleeping. Though the underwear bandit has a nice ring to it.

  213. painhrtz - whatever says:

    Lib so you have the bauer problem too. I still have my supreme 2000 boots thought they were turned into roller blades.

    Our neighbors call us to see who is in our driveway, truly weird living next to the elderly with nothing better to do.

  214. Libturd in the City says:

    We have the same thing. But when you go on vacation, it’s nice to know they have you covered. The All-American union guy next to me has keys to my detached garage and home. Some one has to turn on the generator to keep the sump pumps running when I’m on vacation. He also gives us lots of vegetables from his garden. On the negative side, he feeds the birds all the time and they sh1t all over our cars and deck furniture like a replay of Pearl Harbor.

  215. Libturd in the City says:

    Thinking about getting a new pair of Bauers, but am waiting for some 10.5s to go on clearance. I can’t swallow spending >$300 on skates. $150’s the limit.

  216. painhrtz - whatever says:

    clearance sales in june at hockey monkey are where I got my current tour roller blades 300 skates for 99 bucks. Need new ice skates as I’m going to start teaching the kids this coming winter but have not seen any deals I like. I’m also wary of buying the new thermoformable liner skates and baking them myself.

  217. Anon E. Moose says:

    Pain [222];

    If you don’t mind, let me know what you find. My youngest is soon to transition from figure blades to hockey blades, and I’ll be looking for something for him.

  218. painhrtz - whatever says:

    If I see anything I’ll let you know moose but for kids just go to play it again. they out grow them to fast to buy them their own skates

  219. anon (the good one) says:

    @SenSanders: ISIS is a danger to the entire region and to the world. The international community must work with the U.S. http://t.co/wdxBfynUfr

  220. anon (the good one) says:

    @HuffingtonPost: ACLU files formal requests to ID officer who shot Michael Brown http://t.co/0KttKNVZQg

  221. joyce says:

    California may waive environmental rules for Tesla battery factory

    http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-tesla-incentives-20140812-story.html

    I’m shocked that there’s gambling going on in this establishment

  222. NJT says:

    Re: ‘Grieving’ taxes. Back in the 90s, in my hometown, it was called ‘appealing’.

    Never heard of it until getting junk mail from some attorney based out of Morristown. His deal was:

    He’d gurantee a reduction for 5? (don’t remember exactly) years and only take the savings from the first year as payment. Thought, why can’t I do this myself?

    More work than imagined but worth every penny. Gifts from those I walked through the process = well stocked bar and catered food for parties. Oh, classic Bamboo flyrod, too.

  223. chicagofinance says:

    The End Is Nigh (Firefighting With The Munchies Edition):
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/101917784

  224. joyce says:

    http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/ferguson-missouri-riots/

    This is all the government knows = force.

    There’s only a shell of a story regarding who started the alleged physical altercation that led to someone being shot in the back.
    Anyone and everyone caught rioting and looting should be arrested. However, the fact that some people decided to break the law does not give the police carte Blanche to harass ALL pedestrians to ban ALL public assemblies and to set up checkpoints.

  225. joyce says:

    Granting these humble public servants of ours either qualified or absolute immunity does nothing but encourage them to act with impunity.

  226. Juice Box says:

    Boots on the ground again in Iraq. Apparently ISIS has made it to the Golan Heights too, I’d say we will full on in just in time for the election.

  227. Juice Box says:

    Yeah on Sirius radio tonight is some community leader aka organizer talking about violent protests being ok although he won’t do it aka veiled threats etc, references to 1968 riots as a necessary uprising etc. And you wonder why NOM stocks ammo?

  228. A Home Buyer says:

    230 – Joyce

    Movie: The Siege

    “The Army is a broad sword, not a scalpel. Trust me, senator – you do not want the Army in an American city.”

    “Anthony ‘Hub’ Hubbard: Are you people insane? What are you talkin’ about?
    General William Devereaux: The time has come for one man to suffer in order to save hundreds of lives.
    Anthony ‘Hub’ Hubbard: One Man? What about two, huh? What about six? How about public executions?

    General William Devereaux: Feel free to leave whenever you like, Agent Hubbard.

    Anthony ‘Hub’ Hubbard: Come on General, you’ve lost men, I’ve lost men, but you – you, you *can’t* do this! What, what if they don’t even want the sheik, have you considered that? What if what they really want is for us to herd our children into stadiums like we’re doing? And put soldiers on the street and have Americans looking over their shoulders? Bend the law, shred the Constitution just a little bit? Because if we torture him, General, we do that and everything we have fought, and bled, and died for is over. And they’ve won. They’ve already won!

    General William Devereaux: Escort him out.”

  229. joyce says:

    AHB,

    Yup and that movie was in 1998. Tactics, or that reasoning, has been uses by govts throughout time… History always repeats. And there’s also always some apologists ready to defend it all.

  230. anon (the good one) says:

    @WesleyLowery: I’m emotional, but need to note: Ryan and I are fine. Have seen people in Ferguson hurt by gas/rubber bullets. This wasn’t that

    @WesleyLowery: Detained, booked, given answers to no questions. Then just let out

  231. anon (the good one) says:

    @HuffingtonPost: HuffPost, WaPo reporters arrested in #Ferguson, released soon after http://t.co/5ptKhnVHuX

  232. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    [233] juice,

    I really don’t stock that much. In fact, serious gun nuts would think I have about a weekend’s worth.

  233. I hate darkies, wetbacks and all those other foreign types. We need more Amerikans who look like Me and fewer who resemble Them.

    Pinheads like Pelosi and McConnell freak out with joy when they see evidence that their shell game tactics have punked us all .

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