We’re all Atlantic City now

From the Record:

State officials working to take control of Atlantic City finances

Amid the push to expand casino gambling throughout New Jersey, state officials are in fast-moving discussions to take over Atlantic City’s finances for 15 years.

Sparking a turnaround for Atlantic City has been one of Governor Christie’s goals since taking office, and a takeover would be the most dramatic step yet – a move largely unprecedented in state history.

Senate President Stephen Sweeney, a Democrat, confirmed Monday night that discussions were under way between legislative leaders and Governor Christie.

“Something dramatic has to happen in Atlantic City,” Sweeney said. “When I say dramatic, I mean dramatic, because of the dysfunction that’s been going on year after year.”

The Record also obtained copies of two draft bills outlining the terms of the state takeover. The bills, obtained from a source in the Legislature, were set to be introduced today.

Christie, a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, has envisioned a wholesale transformation of the city from a gambling destination to a tourist resort. Early in his administration, Christie pinned the city’s hopes on a $261 million tax break for the Revel casino. That casino later filed for bankruptcy.

Separately on Monday, Christie announced another deal with Sweeney and Assembly Speaker Vincent Prieto to allow two casinos in North Jersey, provided that the new casinos send a large cut of their revenue to Atlantic City as financial assistance.

Asked about the possible state takeover, a spokesman for Governor Christie, Kevin Roberts, said he would “not comment on pending legislation, let alone bills that haven’t been introduced yet.”

Administration lawyers, however, are aware of the discussions, The Record learned Monday.

And Christie is due to deliver his annual State of the State speech today. Appearing on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” on Monday morning, Christie said he would have big plans to unveil but gave no details.

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124 Responses to We’re all Atlantic City now

  1. grim says:

    From the Star Ledger:

    Sweeney pushes state takeover of struggling Atlantic City

    New Jersey’s top lawmaker on Monday night began floating a plan for the state to take over major functions of Atlantic City’s government for 15 years as the Jersey Shore resort continues to struggle in the wake of four casinos closing.

    State Senate President Stephen Sweeney (D-Gloucester) started circulating a draft of the bill after 6 p.m. on the second-to-last day of the state Legislature’s 2014-15 session.

    Sweeney, a likely Democratic candidate for governor next year, said he was met with immediate resistance from colleagues Monday.

    But he stressed that Atlantic City has to consider drastic measures to dig itself out of the financial hole — such selling its water utility worth $100 million and nearby Bader Field or more.

    Asked if he is in talks with Gov. Chris Christie about state takeover, Sweeney said: “I would say there are discussions on something like that.”

    “Something dramatic needs to be done there,” he said. “At this point, we have to figure out what this is going to be.”

  2. grim says:

    From the Record:

    Industrial vacancy rate drops to lowest level since 2000

    With online retailers filling up warehouses, the vacancy rate for industrial space in New Jersey has dropped to its lowest level since 2000, the real estate company Cushman & Wakefield said Monday.

    The vacancy rate in the fourth quarter was 6.4 percent for the state as a whole, down from 8.2 percent a year earlier. Bergen County’s vacancy rate was 7.5 percent in the quarter, and Passaic’s was 5.7 percent.

    Statewide, a net 4 million square feet of space was leased during the fourth quarter, bringing the total for the year to 12.5 million square feet.

    While the port area and Exit 8A of the New Jersey Turnpike are the busiest submarkets, the Meadowlands also posted strong leasing activity, according to Cushman & Wakefield. For example, Flomo, a gift, stationery and housewares importer, leased 99,000 square feet at 115 Moonachie Ave., Moonachie. And Apple Corrugated Box Ltd. leased 83,400 square feet at 180 Manor Road in East Rutherford.

    In Bergen County, one of the largest industrial markets in the state, rents have risen 8.3 percent over the past year, to an average of $7.59 a square foot in the fourth quarter, Cushman & Wakefield said.

    Jason Price, Cushman & Wakefield’s research director, tri-state suburbs, called warehouses “the key market driver in the Garden State.”

    Stephen Elman, a Cushman & Wakefield director, said companies like warehouses in the Meadowlands because they allow quick deliveries to consumers in New Jersey — the most densely populated state in the nation — as well as in New York City.

  3. leftwing says:

    The scariest part of this whole Atlantic City article…

    “Sweeney, a likely Democratic candidate for governor next year”

    Throw Cankles in the WH and there’s a winning executive combo, fed and state……

    Anyone with an ounce of sense would run, and run fast.

  4. grim says:

    Why do all our politicians look like criminals?

  5. grim says:

    I strongly believe that the North Jersey casino plan is a sly deal to keep the existing AC operators continuing operations for another year, and may never come to fruition (perhaps it was never intended to).

    By only permitting an AC operator to start operations in North Jersey, and bid for a license, you are creating an incentive for all remaining AC operators to stay open, and potentially even one of the defunct operators to start up again, if only to retain or secure the ability to bid.

  6. grim says:

    But really, with a billion dollar commitment, who in AC even has the ability to bid? MGM/Boyd (AKA Borgata)?

  7. leftwing says:

    Stu, once he wins Powerball :)

  8. grim says:

    Pretty sure “House of Stu” would have the worst payout on the strip.

  9. Now Spanky, be reasonable says:

    #4. Because they are.

  10. Now Spanky, be reasonable says:

    What a brilliant idea – let a failing state take over the finances of a failing city. Sure fire recipe for success.

  11. Essex says:

    I can see brain trust is up and at em.

  12. Comrade Nom Deplume, back at sea level says:

    [2] grim

    I’m not surprised that industrial space is filling up and I suspect it’s regional. While little of it is industrial, the CRE building in my area that picked up dramatically last year is continuing apace. Broad spectrum too–retail, medical, office, high density residential, industrial …

    Beneficial as that sounds, I’m wondering about the drivers. Clearly this investment is happening for a reason but I’m still hard pressed to know what that reason truly is.

  13. Grim [6];

    Harrah’s will be in the ring for a license. Expanding regional coverage is part and parcel of their strategy. Closing the Showboat was a shrewd consolidation — they operated 4 AC properties — not a desperation play a la Revel, Atlantic Club, & “Trump”.

    I expect Sheldon Adelson to be in the fight as well, if only to protect his PA property.

  14. grim says:

    12 – NJ municipalities idiotic approach to rid itself of industrial zoning is coming to roost. For years any attempt to convert an industrial property to a lighter use was jumped at. Now, we’re seeing big shortages. In addition, years of anti-industrial activities in the zoning/planning boards across NJ have given companies and developers shell-shock against proposing new projects or facilities.

    Industry and Manufacturing are bad words in NJ. Given the headaches we went through, I can only imagine a large enterprise would be looking at spending double digit millions in nonsense fees to even propose the idea of a new manufacturing facility.

    It’s really no wonder why there are so few manufacturing jobs in NJ – it’s because NJ hates them, we don’t want those kinds of jobs. Instead, we would prefer to keep our poor unemployed.

  15. Grim [4];

    I have a hard time remembering the last state-wide candidate who WASN’T under indictment. NJ is one of a few states that would need real chutzpah to say a bad word about Illinois leadership…

  16. Grim [2];

    companies like warehouses in the Meadowlands because they allow quick deliveries to consumers in New Jersey — the most densely populated state in the nation — as well as in New York City.

    What do you know — in the Amazon era, proximity to Manhattan pays off.

  17. grim says:

    14 – What it boils down to is, anyone hoping for a resurgence of manufacturing in NJ, should ask the question, where will it be permitted? These properties are all gone, and the cross-section of industrial properties continues to shrink, every single day.

    Especially when tax-hungry municipalities look to convert industrial campuses into large scale housing projects. At that point, it’s nearly impossible that these lots would ever be converted back to industrial. In fact, it makes the remaining, neighboring industrial properties even harder to utilize.

    Why you ask? When you go before a board, you need to send letters to everyone within a certain distance informing them of the application. When a condo building goes up next to an industrial property, I’ll guarantee you that enough residents of the new building will put up a HUGE FUSS against any use of the neighboring property.

    It’s like a disease against jobs.

  18. leftwing says:

    In every era, from Hamilton v Burr onward.

    No Manhattan, NNJ is a bluff and swamp.

  19. leftwing says:

    18 for Moose

    Not meant as an insult, either. From ports, to (former) train terminals, real estate…Garden State basically exists as it does because of Manhattan.

    Our unique geography is huge…hard to think of another area thriving off of a major metropolitan center with as large a built in barrier as the Hudson. Allows us to grab most of the benefits while keeping many of the negatives at bay.

  20. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Thank goodness wayne citizens shut down the avalon bay proposal. Have a feeling those properties will be put to good use as the economy picks up.

    grim says:
    January 12, 2016 at 8:12 am
    14 – What it boils down to is, anyone hoping for a resurgence of manufacturing in NJ, should ask the question, where will it be permitted? These properties are all gone, and the cross-section of industrial properties continues to shrink, every single day.

    Especially when tax-hungry municipalities look to convert industrial campuses into large scale housing projects. At that point, it’s nearly impossible that these lots would ever be converted back to industrial. In fact, it makes the remaining, neighboring industrial properties even harder to utilize.

    Why you ask? When you go before a board, you need to send letters to everyone within a certain distance informing them of the application. When a condo building goes up next to an industrial property, I’ll guarantee you that enough residents of the new building will put up a HUGE FUSS against any use of the neighboring property.

    It’s like a disease against jobs.

  21. The Great Pumpkin says:

    lol…why do you hate jersey so much? Something has to be behind this hate of yours.

    leftwing says:
    January 12, 2016 at 8:12 am
    In every era, from Hamilton v Burr onward.

    No Manhattan, NNJ is a bluff and swamp.

  22. The Great Pumpkin says:

    21- Never mind, read the next post.

  23. Libturd supporting the Canklephate says:

    Pretty sure “House of Stu” would have the worst payout on the strip.

    I would name it, “Stu’s Casin0 of Dreams.” And agreed, all of the machines would be short-pay. Like at the Aquaduct.

    The problems with AC are due to years and years of cronyism and good old corruption. I’m sure everyone in the local government there is on the take. If the money from the casin0s ever made it to the people of the city, instead of the pockets of the public sector, there wouldn’t be much of an issue. Remember the story of the lifeguard with the mega pension? Stories like this are everywhere down there. There are simply too many ratables that there should not be an issue if the local government ran clean. I understand why the state feels they need to take over, but our state government is equally as corrupt. Maybe they should bring in the feds? Oh wait, that brings a whole new level of corruption. Perhaps privatize the city?

  24. chicagofinance says:

    You left out Philly to the southwest and Wilmington to the south……and Port Newark….that covers about 2/3 of everything…..

    leftwing says:
    January 12, 2016 at 8:18 am
    18 for Moose

    Not meant as an insult, either. From ports, to (former) train terminals, real estate…Garden State basically exists as it does because of Manhattan.

    Our unique geography is huge…hard to think of another area thriving off of a major metropolitan center with as large a built in barrier as the Hudson. Allows us to grab most of the benefits while keeping many of the negatives at bay.

  25. grim says:

    23 – All of NJ is defined by a public sector who is sucking the state dry like a bunch of leaches. The worst are the folks that publicly state they did nothing wrong, everything was legal. Look at me, look at me, I have no shame. The recent string of cop stories out of middle Jersey are disgusting. Undercover cop goes on dates while on duty, visits his girlfriend using a government vehicle. What happens? He gets promoted.

    WTF?

    Leaches.

  26. grim says:

    I’m sorry, but there is a whole army of leaches destroying this state, laughing all the way.

    http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2016/01/nj_cop_once_suspended_for_on-duty_romantic_rendezv.html

  27. grim says:

    On the same day his on-duty assignations became public knowledge, a Perth Amboy cop who took an undercover car to visit his romantic partner in a different town was promoted to lieutenant.

    Lt. Carmelo Jimenez got his new rank at a ceremony at the YMCA in Perth Amboy at 4 p.m. on Tuesday, just hours after NJ Advance Media reported that he had been suspended for eight days and had to give back a chunk of his paycheck amid an Internal Affairs investigation.

    The on-duty trips — caught on surveillance footage obtained by a local defense attorney — occurred over the course of several months. The videos show the undercover pickup truck sitting on a township street for hours at a time, sometimes after Jimenez had gotten out with flowers or food.

    Sergeant Jimenez is being promoted today consistent with the NJ State Civil Service Guidelines, along with any pay increase,” Deputy Chief Larry Cattano said in an emailed statement. “The incident in question occurred in the past and appropriate discipline was instituted.”

    Public records show Jimenez currently makes $111,000.

  28. grim says:

    Smug entitlement

  29. grim says:

    I like how you only need to scroll down half a page before you are presented with an article about a stabbing on Mission Street.

  30. D-FENS says:

    Hell that’s nothing. I went to high school with a guy who became a NJ State trooper who was busted for buying heroin in his car on duty in his squad car in Newark. A few years before that he killed some woman changing a tire in the break down lane while speeding down the shoulder in his cruiser while on duty after he crashed into her.

  31. D-FENS says:

    The workin’ man is a sucker.

  32. Raymond Reddington formerly Phoenix says: says:

    17. Grim,
    “For decades it was standard practice to dump waste on the ground, in rivers or to leave it out in the open. As a result, thousands of uncontrolled or abandoned contaminated sites were created.” or should it read–

    For decades it was standard practice to dump waste on the ground, in rivers or to leave it out in the open. As a result, old goats profited wildly from not having to clean up their messes. The same old goats fought hard in court to make sure they should not have to pay, padding their retirement accounts,leaving the bills for younger taxpayers to make payments on (and acquire illnesses on) for many years to come. Due to the history of the sloppiness and the lack of forethought by their predecessors, current potential manufacturers now have to jump through magical moving rainbow hoops with their organic fed unicorns…..

    What it boils down to is, anyone hoping for a resurgence of manufacturing in NJ, should ask the question, where will it be permitted?

    List of superfund sites.

    http://njrereport.com/index.php/2016/01/12/were-all-atlantic-city-now/#comments

  33. Raymond Reddington formerly Phoenix says: says:

    36.
    Post of the day….

  34. Juice Box says:

    There is a state EPA map of the brown sites. You know the ones where to cleanup costs are so immense no developer even bothered to attempt to build condos on it ,even during the bubble. The biggest scam was during the bubble the meadowlands cap project, how much money went up in that one?

  35. leftwing says:

    Pumps, no hate, just clear eyed realism.

    Which, btw, I apply to all areas of my life. From my own actions and decisions, to my kids (including their academics, sports, and activities), to other areas of the nation including where I grew up.

    Nothing wrong with a little civic or family boosterism, I will give you that.

    The danger comes from actually believing your own press releases – whether about your State, town, the markets, your employer, or kid’s D1 scholarship prospects.

  36. Grim says:

    37 – exactly the problem – you provided a perfect example. Industrial manufacturing? It’s a criminal endeavor only. Industry is a crime.

  37. chicagofinance says:

    Haute Cuisine (clot Edition):

    This year, scientists are planning to trial an unappetizing-sounding weight-loss method: 20 obese patients will be given a daily pill containing a couple of grams of someone else’s freeze-dried fecal matter.
    Researchers, led by Elaine Yu, an assistant professor and clinical researcher at Massachusetts General Hospital, will use the clinical trial to study whether fecal samples taken from healthy donors can help obese patients lose weight.
    Feces contain intestinal microbes, and the plan is that these microbes will be transplanted into the gut of whoever takes the pills. As tech website Ars Technica reports, feces pills have previously been used to transplant intestinal microbes and effectively treat gut infections.
    And some evidence suggests that these microbes could affect body weight. A 2013 study gave mice intestinal microbe transplants taken from four sets of human twins, where one twin was a healthy weight and the other was obese. The mice who received an obese twin’s microbes gained weight, regardless of their diet. The researcher behind the study, Jeffrey Gordon of Washington University in St. Louis, told the Scientific American that his study suggests a cause-and-effect relationship between gut microbes and that it’s “possible to prevent the development of obesity.”
    Meanwhile, a 2008 study of twins found evidence that having less diverse intestinal microbes is linked with obesity. And in 2014, researchers from Cornell University’s Department of Molecular Biology and Genetics found that heritable strains of gut microbiotas can influence obesity.
    Yu told Ars that the researchers “have no idea what the result will be,” but are cautiously optimistic about the trial. If all goes well, she said she hopes microbe treatments could be used as a method to treat obesity.
    The transplants wont begin until later this year, and will see subjects take fecal pills for six weeks as researchers track their weight.

  38. Raymond Reddington formerly Phoenix says: says:

    41 Grim,
    Follow the money. Doing things for the right reasons don’t matter one bit in a capitalistic system. Greed rules. Unless you put a throttle on it. Businesses don’t like throttles because it does not allow them to profit as much as they like. Sometimes the throttles then become over restricted and bat poop crazy themselves….

    https://www.google.com/search?q=dupont+stock&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/12/opinion/despite-clear-dangers-dupont-kept-using-a-toxic-chemical.html?_r=0

  39. Juice Box says:

    re # 42-

    Within one linear centimeter of your lower colon

    there lives and works more bacteria

    (about 100 billion)

    than all humans who have ever been born.

    Yet many people continue to assert that

    it is we

    who are in charge of the world.

    Neil deGrasse Tyson

  40. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Do you notice that every single case you provided involved cops/sherrifs? It’s funny that every single other govt employee takes the hit for the cops, politicians, and a few bad teachers.

    grim says:
    January 12, 2016 at 9:43 am
    I’m sorry, but there is a whole army of leaches destroying this state, laughing all the way.

    http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2016/01/nj_cop_once_suspended_for_on-duty_romantic_rendezv.html

  41. Comrade Nom Deplume and His Amazing Trick Back says:

    [42]

    Yes, I concur with the science. It’s proven that eating someone else’s shite will help you lose weight.

    And rapidly too!

    And let’s not forget the added benefit of exercise from all that running.

    I’d sign up but I’ve eaten enough shite from the anon/footrest/fabian crowd for a lifetime.

  42. joyce says:

    The only throttle needed is the criminal justice system putting people in PMITA prison. Obviously, we both know this system is a joke today along with all the regulatory apparatuses. That said, in my opinion we should focus on getting this one most important thing working before worrying about anything else in terms of “throttling.”

    Raymond Reddington formerly Phoenix says: says:
    January 12, 2016 at 11:03 am
    41 Grim,
    Follow the money. Doing things for the right reasons don’t matter one bit in a capitalistic system. Greed rules. Unless you put a throttle on it.

  43. D-FENS says:

    Of registered voters in NJ, I wonder if people who depend on government for transfer payments or employment now outweigh privately employed taxpayers in this state.

  44. NJT says:

    #4 [Grim]

    Governor Tom Kean looked and also talked and acted…like a Nerd.

    Remember “New Jersey and you, perfect together” said with a Boston type accent?

    – One of the few ‘decent’ Governors we’ve had since I’ve been around.

    *When I worked on the left coast a bit (didn’t live there I was a field service tech.) most people asked if I was from Boston. Told them no, New Jersey. A ‘Beantown’ accent while similar is definitely different.

    Speaking of the Nerds anyone remember that band? FUN!

  45. 1987 Condo says:

    Nerds? I am thinking Trigger

  46. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Well said. People need to stop blaming govt and blame the losers that took advantage and ruined it for everyone else. These laws would not be required had people not created a need for it. So yell at current govt all you want, but realize current govt is not to blame, you should point your fingers at the criminals who got away with it.

    Raymond Reddington formerly Phoenix says: says:
    January 12, 2016 at 10:10 am
    17. Grim,
    “For decades it was standard practice to dump waste on the ground, in rivers or to leave it out in the open. As a result, thousands of uncontrolled or abandoned contaminated sites were created.” or should it read–

    For decades it was standard practice to dump waste on the ground, in rivers or to leave it out in the open. As a result, old goats profited wildly from not having to clean up their messes. The same old goats fought hard in court to make sure they should not have to pay, padding their retirement accounts,leaving the bills for younger taxpayers to make payments on (and acquire illnesses on) for many years to come. Due to the history of the sloppiness and the lack of forethought by their predecessors, current potential manufacturers now have to jump through magical moving rainbow hoops with their organic fed unicorns…..

    What it boils down to is, anyone hoping for a resurgence of manufacturing in NJ, should ask the question, where will it be permitted?

    List of superfund sites.

    http://njrereport.com/index.php/2016/01/12/were-all-atlantic-city-now/#comments

  47. NJT says:

    #50 [1987 C] or ‘Loose Change’.

  48. joyce says:

    “realize current govt is not to blame”

    Why? Are they not letting the same thing continue to go on along with even more egregious criminal behavior?

    Do you ever think about what you’re saying? Idiot

  49. The Great Pumpkin says:

    YUP! All these same people complaining about regulation will be the first to complain when toxic waste is dumped in their backyard. Oh wait, now you are crying to the govt for protection from a business that is allowed to do whatever it wants? I thought regulation is the devil? Can’t have it both ways. Choose your poison.

    Raymond Reddington formerly Phoenix says: says:
    January 12, 2016 at 11:03 am
    41 Grim,
    Follow the money. Doing things for the right reasons don’t matter one bit in a capitalistic system. Greed rules. Unless you put a throttle on it. Businesses don’t like throttles because it does not allow them to profit as much as they like. Sometimes the throttles then become over restricted and bat poop crazy themselves….

    https://www.google.com/search?q=dupont+stock&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/12/opinion/despite-clear-dangers-dupont-kept-using-a-toxic-chemical.html?_r=0

  50. The Great Pumpkin says:

    How is the current govt to blame? They came up with the law?

    joyce says:
    January 12, 2016 at 12:50 pm
    “realize current govt is not to blame”

    Why? Are they not letting the same thing continue to go on along with even more egregious criminal behavior?

    Do you ever think about what you’re saying? Idiot

  51. FKA 2010 Buyer says:

    U.S. Real Estate 25% to 60% Overvalued: Analyst

    Hanson makes his case that real estate is dangerously overpriced using simple mortgage math. He argues that the true value of a single-family housing market should be whatever price results from the average homeowner in a market putting 20% down and taking out no more mortgage debt than would result in a maximum debt-to-income ratio of 43%.

    He gives the example of the Bay Area, where the average home price is $1.45 million and the average income is $180,000 per year. Given a person’s typical homeowner insurance costs, credit card and car debts, he argues the average person who is simply buying a home for shelter, rather than speculation, can afford just a $778,000 home, nearly 50% below the average priced $1.45 million home.

    http://fortune.com/2016/01/11/real-estate-bubble/

  52. joyce says:

    Why? Are they not letting the same thing continue to go on along with even more egregious criminal behavior?

    Do you ever think about what you’re saying? Idiot

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    January 12, 2016 at 12:55 pm
    How is the current govt to blame? They came up with the law?

    joyce says:
    January 12, 2016 at 12:50 pm
    “realize current govt is not to blame”

    Why? Are they not letting the same thing continue to go on along with even more egregious criminal behavior?

    Do you ever think about what you’re saying? Idiot

  53. Ragnar says:

    Cool essay from a real estate agent in San Diego explaining why his services are worth his fee:
    http://www.searchlightcrusade.net/2016/01/finding_bargain_real_estate_wo_1.html

  54. Alex says:

    26-

    Grim nailing it today putting the spotlight on the “leaches” as to a major reason for the decline and decay of NJ.

  55. The Great Pumpkin says:

    This guy is like the Ayn Rands out there. It makes sense in theory, but does not apply to the real world.

    How many new home buyers buy with 20% down? Not many.

    Stop using avg incomes to correlate a real estate price, it doesn’t work. You have no idea what these people can afford based on avg income. How do you know they are even reporting all the income they earn?

    This guy is full of it.

    FKA 2010 Buyer says:
    January 12, 2016 at 12:59 pm
    U.S. Real Estate 25% to 60% Overvalued: Analyst

    Hanson makes his case that real estate is dangerously overpriced using simple mortgage math. He argues that the true value of a single-family housing market should be whatever price results from the average homeowner in a market putting 20% down and taking out no more mortgage debt than would result in a maximum debt-to-income ratio of 43%.

    He gives the example of the Bay Area, where the average home price is $1.45 million and the average income is $180,000 per year. Given a person’s typical homeowner insurance costs, credit card and car debts, he argues the average person who is simply buying a home for shelter, rather than speculation, can afford just a $778,000 home, nearly 50% below the average priced $1.45 million home.

    http://fortune.com/2016/01/11/real-estate-bubble/

  56. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Nope, not even close. It’s called business cycles. Jersey was and is in a transition period in its economy. Big shifts are taking place. Jersey is not going down and it’s only getting stronger as it gets closer to this new type of economy it is shifting into. This economy is not going anywhere.

    No idea why people think jersey is down and out. We get it, it doesn’t look like the jersey you grew up in, but guess what, changes don’t equate to worse off. Show me stats showing the population of millionaires going down, like so many debbie downers claim. It’s not true. Amazing how the 50’s and older group (that grew up in jersey) loves to bash jersey. Simply amazing, how they all carry this negative pt of view and why?

    Alex says:
    January 12, 2016 at 1:21 pm
    26-

    Grim nailing it today putting the spotlight on the “leaches” as to a major reason for the decline and decay of NJ.

  57. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Again, you know the answer. It’s not govt, it’s big business buying out the govt for their own selfish reasons. Stop attacking the govt, they are not the problem. The govt is us. Focus your anger on the people pulling the strings, the people with the money to do it. They have hijacked the govt away from the people. Look here:

    “According to a new report from the United States Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, a “club of billionaires” including Tom Steyer and Hank Paulson has effectively hijacked the Environmental Protection Agency for its own purposes – to grow the EPA and regulate the economy from stem to stern.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/07/30/5-ways-billionaires-club/

    joyce says:
    January 12, 2016 at 1:01 pm
    Why? Are they not letting the same thing continue to go on along with even more egregious criminal behavior?

    Do you ever think about what you’re saying? Idiot

  58. The Great Pumpkin says:

    62- So how is the govt the evil one here? Govt is only an institution. It can only do what its masters want. Follow the money and know why I hate billionaires as opposed to the govt. Hating the govt is a waste of time, it’s not at fault. A govt can not make it’s own laws, it can not enforce it’s laws, the people are responsible for this. So stop blaming an institution, and start blaming the real problems……the billionaire club that hijacked your govt a long time ago.

  59. joyce says:

    So stop fcuking apologizing for the same or more government.

    Moose, where’s that picture?

    You should be agreeing that less government and therefore less to buy/hijack/control for their private nefarious purposes is the answer.

  60. joyce says:

    “A govt can not make it’s own laws, it can not enforce it’s laws, the people are responsible for this. ”

    Then why do we need it at all?

  61. NJT says:

    Joyce (as much as I don’t like ‘government’) the other choice is anarchy (which I could live with but do not want to).

    Remember, the average age of a Republic is around 200 years, we’re nothing special.

    Let’s get back to typing about RE as I’m about to buy more and have some questions.

  62. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You know why we need it. The other option is anarchy/chaos. Go to Somalia, it’s the wild west, how is that working out for them?

    Watch the walking dead, it’s a fictional show that goes pretty damn deep on this subject. It shows that people will never go the individual route. They will always come together and form a community on similar beliefs, otherwise you are dead. Some form their communities on evil beliefs, some set it up to look similar to the society we live in today. Make no mistake about it, someone always is in charge and makes the rules. No matter what society it is, this is what happens.

    So once again, why are you not getting mad at the root of the problem? The root of the problem is not the govt itself, it’s the people using the govt (hijacked it) to fit their own agenda. They have an extreme lust for control and power. Go AFTER THESE PEOPLE! They are almost all billionaires.

    joyce says:
    January 12, 2016 at 1:47 pm
    “A govt can not make it’s own laws, it can not enforce it’s laws, the people are responsible for this. ”

    Then why do we need it at all?

  63. Alex says:

    Pumps, it shouldn’t come down to a choice between an all encompassing government or anarchy. What about limited government?

  64. grim says:

    I’m jealous that Marc Hanson still gets airtime and I don’t. I should be more negative, really. He’s been more wrong than right.

  65. grim says:

    Today makes me want to delete the blog.

    Cops who break the law get promotions, but honest business people are crooks for wanting to run a business.

    God help us all.

  66. 1987 Condo says:

    #70..welcome to “opposite land”…

  67. D-FENS says:

    You gotta let that sh1t out bruh…don’t bottle it up

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjsSr3z5nVk

  68. chicagofinance says:

    Isn’t that the premise of the movie…..HUMAN CENTIPEDE?

    Comrade Nom Deplume and His Amazing Trick Back says:
    January 12, 2016 at 11:23 am
    [42]

    Yes, I concur with the science. It’s proven that eating someone else’s shite will help you lose weight.

  69. chicagofinance says:

    SWriting in the Chicago Sun Times, Roger Ebert did not assign the film a star rating (not to be confused with awarding it zero stars), stating, “I am required to award stars to movies I review. This time, I refuse to do it. The star rating system is unsuited to this film. Is the movie good? Is it bad? Does it matter? It is what it is and occupies a world where the stars don’t shine.”

  70. grim says:

    Hate to say it, but Christie is performing brilliantly.

  71. grim says:

    Democratic response to Christie’s speech seems awfully petty.

  72. Essex says:

    75. Puleeeeeeeaze. He’s a loser.

  73. Gourd [67];

    The other option is anarchy/chaos. Go to Somalia, it’s the wild west, how is that working out for them?

    Unmasked “Anon” sock.

    And for those who understand English, freedom is not the same as anarchy. But for the record, I’d choose anarchy over rule by the leftists whose boots you lick.

  74. leftwing says:

    67. LOLOLOLOL. LOL.

    Please, please Pumps tell me you are referencing a prime time drama for an argument on the merits of limited government.

    If so, don’t forget “Little House on the Prairie” and “Seinfeld”. Quite deep on the topic also. LOLOLOL!

    “Watch the walking dead, it’s a fictional show that goes pretty damn deep on this subject”

  75. Essex says:

    60. We put 20% down. My understanding that to get a conventional mortgage that’s what is required.

  76. Anon [60];

    I am in the 20% down camp, too.

  77. grim says:

    77 – He talked a good talk.

    I’m not talking about agreeing or disagreeing with his policies, but his context, approach, and delivery.

  78. jcer says:

    25%, it gets you the best rate(a lower one) if you have impeccable credit and a high income.

  79. Alex says:

    Oral Roberts University mandating that all incoming freshman wear Fitbits, and are expected to walk at least 10,0000 steps a day.

  80. Essex says:

    The guy really is a complete waste of flesh. I can’t get past that.

  81. Alex says:

    85-

    Correction 10,000 steps.

  82. Essex says:

    85. Stairway to Heaven?

  83. Ragnar says:

    Anon and his stupid Somalia=freedom fwckwiticism is such an old and unfunny joke.

    Rule of law, protection of individual rights by government (including property rights) is a foundation for freedom and capitalism.
    Somalia is what you get when a looting state runs out of victims to loot, and starts eating itself.

    http://www.heritage.org/index/country/somalia
    Lack of central authority makes the rule of law inconsistent and fragmented, with different militias, authorities, and tribes applying varying legal frameworks. Traditional customs, like Sharia law, have become more entrenched. Corruption remains high, and a lack of transparency and formal bookkeeping means that government revenues are easily embezzled. Establishment of government control and security will be vital for fostering broad-based economic freedom based on consistent rules and regulations.

  84. Splat Mofo says:

    Boy, I wish Bojangles had lent Biden money. That would provide years of unintentional comedy.

  85. leftwing says:

    OK, got my cards for Horizon BCBS and prominently on the back (although nowhere else through the application process) it states “this member has no benefits outside of New Jersey”.

    Anyone have any knowledge? So if I need a doc, forget a hospital, while visiting my parents out of state I am SOL? Tried calling, closed for the day.

  86. The Great Pumpkin says:

    No one is defending the cop. Most people are very aware of what happens when you give a certain group the power of being above the law. At the same time, no one is putting down good businessmen that create jobs for their fellow Americans and takes care of their community.

    They don’t like the businessmen that are only focused on profit over the greater good. They don’t like the businessmen that don’t give a crap about anyone but themselves. They don’t like the businessmen that treat their employees like they are sub-human.
    They don’t like the businessmen that sell out their country and community for a dollar.
    They don’t like the businessmen that knowingly poison the water children drink.
    These are scumbags that should be lined up and shot.
    Just like that detective is not a “real cop”, just a fraud with a badge, this businessman is not a “real businessman”, he is a parasite to any society that he conducts business in. He profits on evil, hence, forcing his competition to become evil to compete. Send all these dirty pigs to the slaughterhouse. None of them deserve to live.

    I just don’t understand how cops, politicians, and firemen get to tarnish the image of all govt employees. They represent a small minority of govt employees, yet are always in the newspaper getting away with something, giving govt employees who work hard a bad name.

    grim says:
    January 12, 2016 at 2:57 pm
    Today makes me want to delete the blog.

    Cops who break the law get promotions, but honest business people are crooks for wanting to run a business.

    God help us all.

  87. Joyce says:

    http://www.nj.com/passaic-county/index.ssf/2015/11/paterson_gambling_bust_cops_say.html

    A public works employee was arrested at an illegal gambling spot while he was supposed to be working.

  88. Joyce says:

    Can’t find that article about the Newark (was it Newark) absentee principal making like 150k

  89. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Comment from that article.

    “The brothers that work for DPW are modern day slaves!!!! They bust their ass for pennies!!!!”

  90. Splat Mofo says:

    I put 20% down, too. Prolly woulda done better if I’d taken that money to the dog track.

  91. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Plus, you have to love the fact that if you work for the govt and get arrested, your name ends up in the newspaper. Private sector worker does the same thing, but is not shamed in the papers. Why so much hate for govt workers? Everyone feels like their boss, why, I don’t know.

  92. The Great Pumpkin says:

    How int he world is it possible to have an absentee principal or teacher? Don’t the kids notice? Who handles problem children and daily requests by parents to talk to the principal? He/she must be very good at giving bl@wjobs.

    Joyce says:
    January 12, 2016 at 9:18 pm
    Can’t find that article about the Newark (was it Newark) absentee principal making like 150k

  93. Libturd at home says:

    A principal in Newark doesn’t do much. Especially when absenteeism is like 80%.

  94. Libturd at home says:

    But it’s a gorgeous school that we are all paying for.

  95. Joyce says:

    “The second issue before the justices was whether Franks could be held liable for financial damages in a wrongful termination suit Lane filed against him and the college, or whether he has immunity as a state employee. The justices ruled he does have immunity.”
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/06/19/supreme-court-public-employee-retaliation/10861567/

  96. Joyce says:

    Grim,
    The logic in posts 100-101 are reason enough alone to delete the blog.

  97. Joyce says:

    98
    Seriously? I had no idea. Holy cow. You’ve convinced me, and I’m sure most others here. Very insightful. Great share.

  98. Joyce says:

    The strange case of Newark’s vanishing principal. Who just reappeared.

    http://www.bobbraunsledger.com/the-strange-case-of-newarks-vanishing-principal-who-just-reappeared/

    (This is not the article I’m looking for; the one I want was about a female in I think Newark or other Abbott district)

  99. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Did you see the pic of the guy who said it? I thought the comment was pretty funny coming from him.

    Joyce says:
    January 12, 2016 at 9:37 pm
    98
    Seriously? I had no idea. Holy cow. You’ve convinced me, and I’m sure most others here. Very insightful. Great share.

  100. The Great Pumpkin says:

    108- Wow, that’s a disturbing story. That’s insane. I can’t believe this is a normal thing, but newark is a mess.

    “Imagine a suburban school–oh, let’s just pull one out of the air for the sake of argument–like the Hartshorn Elementary School in Short Hills. Fine school. But imagine the stir if Mr. Ken Frattini, its principal, suddenly disappeared and never returned–and nobody but nobody from the central office would explain why. Or appoint an interim replacement. Just let the mystery go unexplained. My guess is the howls of protest would be heard in Trenton and the superintendent would be looking for another job.

    But, according to teachers and parents with whom I’ve spoken, nobody but nobody from the central office of the state-operated school district bothered to come to Hawthorne Avenue to explain to students, parents, or school employees about what happened to their boss, Mr. James. Or what would now happen to their school.”

  101. Juice Box says:

    Kim Davis at the state of the union looking as crazy
    As could be. SNL should have a field day.

  102. The Great Pumpkin says:
  103. Comrade Nom Deplume, back at sea level says:
  104. Fabius Maximus says:

    #113 TinPot

    While I would like for you to “please explain the irony!”. Honestly don’t bother, there is a lot of this debate that you are just not going to understand.

  105. Fabius Maximus says:

    Awesome State of the Union.

    My biggest NOT so surprised tonight, was Nikki Haley. I have always said that she is what the GOP need to put up against the Dems. I was surprised that the GOP put her up, but not surprised that she nailed it. Compare it back to Marco Rubio’s, SOTU!
    I suspect that John McCain tonight is throwing glasses off a wall, screaming, “That’s what I asked you for and you gave me Palin?”

  106. Joyce says:

    116
    Unsurprisingly you are easily impressed by words.

  107. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Lol…now Christie thinks the nj economy is fine.

    Gotta love the scare tactics people fall for. The economy is crashing, elect me! Fear mongering 101 says it’s easier to get votes through fear than any other means.

    http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/01/christie_state_of_the_state_2016_6th.html#incart_2box_nj-homepage-featured

  108. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Lefty, is he talking to you?

    “”All the talk of America’s economic decline is political hot air,” Obama said in his final State of the Union address. “So is all the rhetoric you hear about our enemies getting stronger and America getting weaker.”

    “The United States of America is the most powerful nation on Earth. Period. It’s not even close,” he said.”

    http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/01/2016_state_of_the_union_president_obama.html#incart_river_home

  109. Fabius Maximus says:

    #117 Joyce

    Politics is never about the words, its about the delivery!
    Until you see that, you will never truly understand what goes on, under the curtain.

  110. Fabius Maximus says:

    Stu,

    It keeps getting better.

    While neither school grants athletic scholarships, you have to think a roster spot could get you in the door! http://www.northjersey.com/photo-galleries/photos-girls-hockey-debuts-at-iha-with-a-10-4-loss-to-pingry-1.1472662

    My kid will have the STEM grades, what will differentiate her?

  111. Joyce says:

    By ‘under the curtain’ do you mean ‘behind the curtain’?

    If yes, unsurprisingly you’re using that phrase wrong.

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