NJ Votes!

From the Star Ledger:

N.J. votes to dedicate gas tax revenue to transportation projects

New Jersey voters on Tuesday approved a constitutional amendment dedicating gas tax proceeds to transportation projects, locking in more than $1 billion a year in new revenue from the recently enacted 23 cent gas tax.

The referendum passed despite a late revolt against the once-virtually uncontested question that passed the Legislature with just one “no” vote and had the support of Gov. Chris Christie.

On its face, ballot question 2 asked voters to protect the new revenue from future raids, ensuring it goes to road, bridge and mass transit projects. It also protects some existing revenues not already constitutionally dedicated. Less obvious is that it also allows the state to finance $12 billion for transportation.

The state expects to collect $1.16 billion a year from the new gasoline tax, $31.1 million a year from increased taxes on non-motor fuels, and $39.6 million a year from a diesel surcharge.

That dedication will prevent governors or legislatures from diverting the revenues each year, and instead provide a steady stream of revenue to finance an eight-year, $16 billion transportation program that includes $12 billion in borrowing and $500 million a year in pay-as-you-go spending.

From the Star Ledger:

N.J. voters overwhelmingly reject North Jersey casino proposal

New Jersey voters Tuesday overwhelmingly rejected a proposal to expand casino gambling to the northern part of the state, meaning Atlantic City will retain its four-decade monopoly on gaming.

The ballot question appears on pace to fail by more than 1.5 million votes, according to projections by the Associated Press — which would make it the largest margin of defeat for any referendum the state has ever seen.

It would shatter the mark set in 1987 when a plan to build a professional baseball stadium at the Meadowlands fell by nearly 500,000 votes.

With 93 precincts reporting early Wednesday morning, the casino question was failing nearly 78 percent to 22 percent.

The referendum, which asked voters to amend the state constitution to allow two casinos to be built at least 72 miles north of Atlantic City, was one of the more unusual ones in New Jersey history.

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247 Responses to NJ Votes!

  1. D-FENS says:

    Who the fcuk is Nate Silver?

  2. grim says:

    Crazy.

    Executive, Legislative, and soon to be Judicial.

  3. grim says:

    From the Record:

    Job market, wage laws push up paychecks in NJ/NY area

    Private-sector paychecks in the New York metropolitan area rose 3.2 percent in the 12 months ending in September, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

    That compares with an increase of 2.4 percent nationwide, and it was the largest September jump in the region’s wages since the BLS began tracking this data a decade ago.

    Martin Kohli, chief regional economist with the BLS, said that the higher wages are the result of several factors, including an overall brightening in the job market since the 2007-2009 recession.

    The unemployment rate has dropped to 4.9 percent nationally and 5.3 percent in New Jersey. That means there are fewer workers who are forced to accept part-time hours even if they want full-time work. It also means employers have to pay more to compete for employees.

    In addition, minimum wage laws in several states, including New Jersey, have raised the incomes of low-wage workers. New Jersey’s minimum wage, now $8.38, is set to rise to $8.44 on Jan. 1. And several large employers, including Walmart, have pledged to raise their workers’ pay.

    That reflected a mixed bag on consumer prices. While the cost of energy and food eaten at home dropped over the year, the cost of medical care rose 5.8 percent and the cost of shelter rose 2.5 percent, led by a 2.9 percent increase in rents.

    “The housing market in the area is getting better — for landlords, anyway,” Kohli said.

  4. Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:

    I’m stil gobsmacked. I’ve no idea how to play this

  5. Grim says:

    So the sum of this is he did better with women, blacks, and latinos than expected? In addition middle America is clearly upset about the state of the economy?

  6. Essex says:

    America just turned right. Long on big pharma baby!

  7. Essex says:

    Do you hear that? It’s the death of political correctness.

  8. Grim says:

    Surreal

  9. Not Comrade the whacked says:

    Play it as follows,

    Medicare for everyone to replace Obamacare. Avoid drug companies as part d is going to be reworked.

    Interstate “Smart” Highway Act 2.0

    Glass Steagall wall goes up

    Space exploration. Mars shot. Along with Space X and alikes.

    Think of anything that will make his ego look good by building something for posterity
    At this time I won’t be surprise he drains the East Rivers and calls it Trump park.

  10. 1987 Condo says:

    Seems a lot of the voters have regular jobs and deal in the regular world.
    (I am not sure how all those who said “they” would not allow Trump to win react.)

  11. Grim says:

    US high tech, finance

  12. Grim says:

    Construction, but that is a difficult play.

  13. 1987 Condo says:

    Do I have this right, Clinton had Fireworks planned but no concession speech?

  14. Grim says:

    Agriculture and utilities

  15. Grim says:

    Bad form from Hillary

  16. Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:

    Not me

    Butthurt much?

  17. Fast Eddie says:

    The b1tch abandoned her constituents. Can you imagine? How telling! John Podesta telling the crowd to go home. Pathetic.

  18. Fast Eddie says:

    Executive, Legislative, and soon to be Judicial.

    Music to my ears.

  19. Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:

    Essex

    Thoughtcrime isn’t dead. The SJWs will go guerilla. Country is at a crossroads: learn the art of compromise and true fairness or gird yourselves for a war of attrition.

    My money is on the latter

  20. Fast Eddie says:

    Quick, someone got a box of crayons and a puppy and put them in the safe room for Otto, puzzy and flea.

  21. essex says:

    Rock on Brothers and sisters! long on local spirits going worldwide – let’s talk logos! Bigtime Infrastructure plays. the Stack is back?

  22. The Original NJ ExPat says:
    November 3, 2016 at 10:49 am
    Here’s my very own out there, tinfoil hat theory:

    Trump has been leading the entire time.

    The polls have been a massive fraud/bluff to try to turn the tables for months as has been the puss-y grabbing follies. Didn’t work. Look at Hillary’s crowds, if no one wants to see her or listen to her (except limo libs for $50K a plate), who the hell is voting for her?

    Cue Comey.
    Now, with the reopened email investigation, the polls have a reason to move back to reality and the tracks are completely covered if they were fraudulent all along, no? This way those same fraudulent polls can be used as a credible ploy next time too instead of being discredited forever. ABC/CNN/MSNBC/Fox (yes Fox too!) polls would be shown for what they are if they continued to advertise double digit Clinton leads and then Trump wins by 5.

  23. Fabius Maximus says:

    So now we get to see CC’s transition plan. That should be fun.

    Rudy for AG?

  24. Grim says:

    So is this the Trump pivot that I was expecting to happen after the primaries?

  25. Grim says:

    Christie AG, no?

  26. Past his expiration date.

    Christie AG, no?

  27. Chris Christie is to Donald Trump as Deval Patrick was to Obama.

  28. Fabius Maximus says:

    CC Chief of Staff

  29. Ottoman says:

    I didn’t vote for Clinton, Gary. I have no problem watching America burn to the ground under unfettered right wing control. Dems deserved to lose. Grabs popcorn.

    Fast Eddie says:
    November 9, 2016 at 6:49 am
    Quick, someone got a box of crayons and a puppy and put them in the safe room for Otto, puzzy and flea.

  30. 1987 Condo says:

    I think CC adds no value going forward to Trump…why pick him for anything…CC’s legacy will be failed Pension reform and a gas tax, and of course Bridgegate….which amazingly stopped him from being the actual VP..bet he wishes he stopped that traffic study day 1..would have been a hero then….

  31. Anybody looking for a good deal on some fireworks?

  32. Lost says:

    The new political machine, branded Trump, becomes exactly what you voted against. Nice job getting conned america. Can’t fix stupid.

  33. Fast Eddie says:

    Lost,

    Lmao!

  34. Lost says:

    The Don, being the salesman that he is, just sold you on what you wanted to hear. He basically won huge amount of support on the claims that it is all “rigged.” Yup, it’s all rigged, surely your win proves that.

  35. grim says:

    On a positive note, we mashed our first 100% New Jersey Rye Whiskey last night, and it’s going to be absolutely fantastic.

    We’re using 100% New Jersey grown rye – which is incredible – since nobody is growing it. We needed to wait a whole year for a farmer to plant, grow, and harvest it for us.

    Almost nobody is making a 100% rye these days, as the process is very complex for small producers.

    So not only are we making a 100% rye, we’re doing it with nearly 100% local ingredients, made by hand here in NJ.

  36. If they could fix stupid for free and pay you $1 million for your trouble, you would still lack the basic intelligence to show up. Go play in traffic. Its close by.

    The new political machine, branded Trump, becomes exactly what you voted against. Nice job getting conned america. Can’t fix stupid.

  37. McBox says:

    Bo ho fuc*keers…..

    Now let’s all make America greater than it already is….

  38. Lost says:

    You know what’s the sad part, the economy was getting ready to take off, now this guy is going to go and screw it all up with his grand aspirations of protectionism, which we all know is never good long term.

    We basically have been going through huge pains that come with setting up globalization, and we have gone through all that pain for nothing when this baffoon turns his back on globalization and destroys trade.

    Oh well, the people get what they asked for. You want protectionism, just don’t cry when it doesn’t make america great again.

  39. Vacant lot in Irvington? ;-)

    We’re using 100% New Jersey grown rye – which is incredible – since nobody is growing it. We needed to wait a whole year for a farmer to plant, grow, and harvest it for us.

  40. Fast Eddie says:

    Lost,

    F.uck you, go get your f.ucking shine box.

  41. grim says:

    Now that North Jersey casinos are dead, time for the state of NJ to take over Atlantic City.

    Monticello is going deal deal another nearly mortal blow to AC as revenues continue to be sucked out of NJ.

    Of course, NJ taxpayers are going to be on the hook to bail out the AC mess.

  42. Lost says:

    All about the “Trump brand” now. This guy is going to market the sh!t out of his brand in this position. To the point, you will become sick of hearing about brand “Trump.” Get ready for trump to be shoved down your throats. It starts off with him saying how good he is at whatever he does.

    Can’t believe we voted this loser in.

  43. grim says:

    The problem with your forecast is that the economy is clearly moving towards a cyclical upturn. Most indicators point to the economy starting to get its legs with plenty of room to run. We have the housing market clearly turning a corner, credit markets strengthening, we’re finally seeing improvements in job quality, wage growth, laggard state economies starting to pick up pace. We know that presidents generally ride trends that have nothing to do with their policies, but that doesn’t stop them from taking credit for them. The economy is improving, despite Trump and despite Obama – don’t give either more credit than they are due.

  44. Lost says:

    Congrats and good luck.

    grim says:
    November 9, 2016 at 7:43 am
    On a positive note, we mashed our first 100% New Jersey Rye Whiskey last night, and it’s going to be absolutely fantastic.

  45. grim says:

    H Dub – Rode the recession
    B Clint – Rode a hell of a recovery
    G Dub – Rode the worst recession since the depression
    Choom – Rode the recovery

  46. Lost says:

    You know I agree with this ( I’ve stated numerous times we are at the beginnings of what looks like a huge boom period). That’s the point. He doesn’t have to touch a got damn thing. If he goes and starts tinkering with something that isn’t broken, he might screw it all up. That’s what scares the hell out of me. That he might blow our chances at the greatest economy in our lifetime.

    grim says:
    November 9, 2016 at 7:51 am
    The problem with your forecast is that the economy is clearly moving towards a cyclical upturn. Most indicators point to the economy starting to get its legs with plenty of room to run. We have the housing market clearly turning a corner, credit markets strengthening, we’re finally seeing improvements in job quality, wage growth, laggard state economies starting to pick up pace. We know that presidents generally ride trends that have nothing to do with their policies, but that doesn’t stop them from taking credit for them. The economy is improving, despite Trump and despite Obama – don’t give either more credit than they are due.

  47. Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:

    I’m still waiting to hear that some wards in Philadelphia “found” boxes full of absentee ballots for Clinton

    All in the same handwriting

  48. grim says:

    So again, Trump didn’t win because more racist white voters voted for him, he did because more blacks, latinos, and women did (than in comparison to Obama).

    Is this correct?

  49. Lost says:

    Even after Trump wins, you still think it’s rigged.

    Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:
    November 9, 2016 at 7:56 am
    I’m still waiting to hear that some wards in Philadelphia “found” boxes full of absentee ballots for Clinton

    All in the same handwriting

  50. You forgot Reagan because you are too young. He rode Volcker’s heroic triumph over inflation. If you were not and adult in the early 1980’s there is probably no explaining the gigantic difference between 1983 and 1984.

  51. McBox says:

    The question remains. Is Obama going to pardon Hillary?

  52. Lost says:

    Somewhere, someplace, Bernie is shaking his head. He would have won against trump. The only person that could lose to Trump was Clinton.

  53. grim – What do you care? They don’t live in your state or any state you’ll ever visit. Just prejudge flyover country from afar. Its safe. Its simple. You’ll never meet or interact with the deplorables. Ok, maybe in Texas you will.

    So again, Trump didn’t win because more racist white voters voted for him, he did because more blacks, latinos, and women did (than in comparison to Obama).

  54. grim says:

    And likewise Carter, who was given the shaft because of an economy completely outside of his control.

  55. The only state that cares about college football that Hillary won/will win is Illinois. There’s your divide. The very same people who have stopped watching the NFL because of Kaepernick.

  56. Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:

    Box,

    I hope so. It would forever be a stain on his legacy

  57. And a fractured party. You may have read about this guy named Ted Kennedy in your history books when you were young?

    And likewise Carter, who was given the shaft because of an economy completely outside of his control.

  58. 1987 Condo says:

    Hillary was unable to beat Obama in 2008, he had 1.5 years experience…..

  59. How many hookers does Bill Maher still have on the clock this morning?

  60. Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:

    Lost,

    The rigging, legal and illegal, happens. Voter fraud, machine “calibration errors”, all happen every election and it’s documented. Media using its apparatus to sway voters in seeming violation of the public trust isn’t only documented, it’s admitted. The only relevant question is whether it is rigged enough to make a difference.

    This time it seemingly isn’t but if suddenly we hear that Clinton lawyers are in court in PA, we will know better.

  61. ’87 – My knock on Obama is that his only experience was winning elections. That was quickly proved out as his detriment when there were no more elections to win. When he was campaigning for Hillary he looked the most energized that I’ve seen him in 8 long years. That’s what he does, that’s what he loves. This governing thing is a real downer, daddy-o.

  62. grim says:

    I hope so. It would forever be a stain on his legacy

    Enough with the Clinton jokes already.

  63. grim says:

    When he was campaigning for Hillary he looked the most energized that I’ve seen him in 8 long years. That’s what he does, that’s what he loves.

    Funny, I had the same thought.

  64. It doesn’t matter. Nobody wants to buy your house.

    You know what’s the sad part, the economy was getting ready to take off

  65. grim says:

    Wayne voted down Full Day Kindergarten – he has no chance of selling.

  66. grim says:

    Ridgewood approved it, easy 5% increase in home prices in the next year for them.

  67. BTW, Obama started the fire under the kettle. Trump may never have ran if Obama didn’t do this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8TwRmX6zs4

  68. walking bye says:

    I wonder how many of those retirees from NY/NJ turned the vote against Hillary in Fl. If you are retiring and lower income you are staying in in the tri state area.. If you retire with a pension and other retirement accounts you went FL. The voting was close in FL, but Trump took a boat load of votes north of Tampa, (ie the villages)

  69. Lost says:

    That’s the danger of letting the public vote, they vote against their best interest. What a bunch of idiots. Can’t ever have taxes go up….no no.

    grim says:
    November 9, 2016 at 8:25 am
    Wayne voted down Full Day Kindergarten – he has no chance of selling.

  70. People who overpay for real estate or buy houses they can’t afford should be treated as felons. No vote for you!

    That’s the danger of letting the public vote, they vote against their best interest.

  71. McBox says:

    Grim we have full day kindergarten and the YMCA runs great after Care Program. My wife and I both work and will probably get to the have a nice retirement and be able to afford to send kids to college. The Real Housewives of Wayne are fools for not voting for full day daycare

  72. Ben says:

    Eliminating full day kindergarten for budgetary purposes makes no sense. For a small investment (possibly 10 bucks per citizen), you increase demand that much more and will find this to be a net positive for home prices. It requires no new buildings, infrastructure, or anything.

    I’ll go one further. I think any towns that institute public pre-K on their own if they already have the facilities would watch home values go up. My town has it and it’s lottery based. You have to pay right now. That lottery is very competitive. Tells me, there’s an actual demand for this stuff.

  73. Boston Public Schools has full day kindergarten starting at age 3. They call the 3 years of kindergarten, K0, K1, K2. The poor people get their kids bussed to far off schools so it turns from 8 hours into 10 hours of free daycare plus meals when you add in the bus travel. Even at elementary school level they have “surround care”. Kids can stay at school from 7:30 until 5PM. Remember when those crooked Elizabeth administrators were busted for putting their kids in free lunch programs several year ago? Very suspiciously, in my view, Boston suddenly went “All free lunches for everyone”. Nobody pays for lunch in Boston Public Schools. Nobody.

  74. Ben says:

    That’s the danger of letting the public vote, they vote against their best interest. What a bunch of idiots. Can’t ever have taxes go up….no no.

    We don’t need taxes to go up. If we would stop spending a trillion dollars a year policing the world, you can institute all the programs you crave.

  75. BTW, my wife started managing a BPS cafeteria this year. Works 8-2PM, gets all the same days off that our kids do, paid for all school vacation days, includes health benefits.

  76. Chi says:

    Almost 80 post by 9am. Did something big happen?

  77. Chi says:

    My wife worked on a committee in Colts neck regarding instituting full day kindergarten. They reviewed a good deal of research and the conclusion was that full day kindergarten is critical because for the remedial student The school district ends up blowing a heck of a lot more money in grades one and two to catch up the kids that didn’t get the resources they need a younger age. So the cost of full day kindergarten is actually a bargain compared to what the school district would eventually pay. But it is so easy to make a specious argument otherwise

  78. Flee? says:

    Grim, do you think the HRC campaign with all the “big data” tools missed the Rust Bell stuff completely? Or, did they see it but wished it away? May be they thought the promise of “high-paying, clean energy jobs” paid by taxes on wealthy was enough?

    The problem needs a lot of money, so Trump has to do deficit spending, or raise taxes. I am afraid that we may end up getting a tax cut, so the problems will remain, and the hurting population may get angrier and angrier (that is my long term concern).

    Oh, I hope that there will be a bursting of the bubble of blindly applying “big data” and “data science” tools without domain knowledge.

  79. Grim says:

    Clearly she ignored blue collar middle class.

  80. Grim says:

    Or maybe we were all just fooled because she spent money like a winner.

  81. grim says:

    I don’t know why Podesta wasn’t hidden like Huma was, he was poison.

    They can blame the FBI and Russians all they like, but the root cause was still all theirs.

  82. Tywin says:

    There was no “boom” about to happen without Trump. Take a walk through the ruins of Detroit, or any Fortune 500 company filled to the rafters with the former population of Bombay, who have replaced American STEM workers for less pay, so traitor CEOs can boost profits while selling out the country.

    The country was slowly dying — open borders, moronic trade deals, corruption, lobbyists and donors driving policy, crumbling infrastructure, lifetime politicians who never held a real job, made payroll, or created anything.

    This is a great day for America, we have dodged a bullet. There may yet be time to reverse the toxic policies of the last 20+ years, and also to clean out whatever rats remain in Washington.

  83. No win situation. If you hide him even the MSM will report on it. Also there’s a big difference to being a sympathetic character that had his email hacked versus a pathetic character who had “no idea” how her email got on the wienerbook.

    I don’t know why Podesta wasn’t hidden like Huma was, he was poison.

  84. HEHEHE says:

    The economy is not getting better. It’s still in zombie mode. Look at the debt levels for individuals; they are pumped to the gills. There’s no recovery that’s not consumer lead and there’s no room on their balance sheets

  85. hacked by Russians, that is.

  86. I hope Trump has Putin as a guest for the inauguration.

  87. I bet Romney went out and bought a new dog just so he could kick it.

  88. CNN got their bacon saved. What would be their purpose if Clinton won?

  89. Bill Bradley is on Bloomberg TV right now! I had no idea he was even still alive. He looks great! I used to know exactly where his house was in Denville (on a long dead dead end hilltop road that overlooked Cedar Lake).

  90. If Bush had beaten Clinton in 1992, I was thinking that Bradley would have been next up for the Dems.

  91. Ben says:

    Oh, I hope that there will be a bursting of the bubble of blindly applying “big data” and “data science” tools without domain knowledge.

    Data analysis is only as objective as the people behind it. I’ve met several scientists who take raw data and draw the conclusion that best fits their narrative. You’ll never change that. What needs to change is the public taking things at face value. If you question something, like polling numbers, you are dismissed as a loon and a conspiracy theorist.

  92. Steamturd, obsessed with Cankles way more than Wieners. says:

    ExPat is still a loon.

    Though, the MSM narrative will be the brilliance of Trump’s run to the White House. I really think this was a vote against the Clinton Foundation, the elitist posture of the left and quite frankly, the status quo is helping noone but the rich. It’s just too bad that an egoist buffoon that ignores facts and uses xenophobia like the best of fascists has to be our knight in shining armor. Now what the heck will FOX have to complain about?

    On the bright side, Trump is not a Republican so I am optimistic that he will be too moderate for the right and will find little help in Washington. Regardless of how this unfolds, it will definitely be more interesting than if Cankles won.

    And where’s the violence?

    I hope the left learned something last night. Disband the DNC!

  93. We have some smart people on this board. But then again, we have some dopes who really bring the average down. Stupid cunts.

    The Original NJ ExPat says:
    September 27, 2016 at 9:43 am
    I think you can add 1-2 points for Trump to any poll to account for the people who are voting for him but won’t says so. There might be a significant number of that same group who is giving lip service to supporting Clinton, so I would dock her 0.25-0.5% on each poll as well. That might make all the difference in there is a whole hell of a lot of time for another big drop of either an email dump or another fall to the ground of a dumpy, lying, emailer.

  94. Is that someone who sees what others don’t believe exists?

    ExPat is still a loon.

  95. If you watched Fox you’d know that they were all in the tank for Hillary, with the exception of Hannity, who was in the tank for Trump. Trump never ever led in a Fox Poll and Megyn Kelly was left of CNN.

    Now what the heck will FOX have to complain about?

  96. Steamturd, obsessed with Cankles way more than Wieners. says:

    Don’t worry. You’re a lovable loon. And I can admit that I was wrong with my prediction on this election outcome. But I’ve always felt Trump was further left than the Clintons. My only fear is his big mouth. But I fear that less than what the Clinton Foundation represented.

  97. And O’Reilly was so disrespectful and condescending to Trump in his many interviews, he even made me squeamish. Unlike Hillary, who promised to come on with O’Reilly but never did, at least Trump had the balls to show up. Repeatedly.

  98. Steamturd, obsessed with Cankles way more than Wieners. says:

    Why is ^TNX at 1.9740?

  99. Steamturd, obsessed with Cankles way more than Wieners. says:

    Grim, on the Rye tip, gotta figure out how to market the whole local angle on your booze. Like Farm to Liver. Hey if the honey people can make unsubstantiated claims that local honey reduces allergies. You can certainly invent something. Maybe local rye keeps Zeka mosquitoes away?

  100. Somewhat true, Stu. I only wanted one thing, a true outsider, I didn’t care who or what he or she looked like and now we have one, warts and all. Trump probably shares some mainstream beliefs from left and right that aren’t represented by any party.

    Abortions – Fine, let’s have more of them.

    Gay marriage – who cares and why not?

    Gender equality, equal pay – that’s always been bullsh1t otherwise we’d have businesses that are 90% women because all that pay imbalance would fall right to the bottom line. College educated women under age 35 actually earn MORE on average than males (I suspect it’s because they listen better in the workplace and make up for it by not listening at home).

    Government – Just keep us protected from fraud and force instead of perpetrating it.

    But I’ve always felt Trump was further left than the Clintons. My only fear is his big mouth.

  101. Juice Box says:

    local rye keeps Zeka mosquitoes away…

    Brilliant. See MAGA is working already. Grim just produced his first batch of Greatness.

  102. Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:

    Some of these are strangely prophetic

    http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2016/04/29/cartoon-trump

    I wonder if Trump will diss Obama at the Inauguration the way Obama dissed Bush?

    Four more years of guerilla warfare.

  103. McBox says:

    To make America Great again need to bring back Rock n Roll. All local bars should be given grants to start hosting live Rock n Roll bands.

  104. A friend just emailed me this reply to an email I sent him on interest rates.:

    If rates keep rising like this they will have to announce QE4 later today.

  105. McBox says:

    Rust Belt needs to be renamed the Opportunity Belt. Lots of Federal Grants tied to manufacturing cheap electric cars made with American steel. Requirement for grant 75% American made components.

  106. HEHEHE says:

    CNN took the biggest shot in this thing. It’s one thing to shill for a candidate and regurgitate party talking points. You might even call that branding for a news organization. It’s quite another to be asking an opponent’s campaign the questions they want you to ask in an interview of a competing candidate and forwarding debate questions.

  107. Another hedge fund is being shut down after getting it with a tidal wave of redemption requests this morning. It’s called the Clinton Foundation.

  108. I bought 2000 shares of TLT about 20 minutes ago. Its coming to Daddy now.

  109. Fast Eddie says:

    Eight years of a wasted presidency. Obama care will whither and die and we’ll be left with memories of a narcissistic d0uchbag who despised America and created anger and division. F.uck you, Obama, don’t let the door hit you in the @ss on the way out.

  110. Fast Eddie says:

    And just like that, the Wall Street numbers are flat across the board.

  111. Lost says:

    Hope Trump doesn’t set a bad precedent by not showing his tax returns. It’s important that we have transparency and I hope he understands that.

  112. They finally sobered up Hillary, about to concede. Obama to follow. Paul Ryan will also be speaking to announce he will not be running in 2020.

  113. Juice Box says:

    VIX is down this morning, no need to gird your loins.

  114. HEHEHE says:

    Trump may crack 300 electoral votes.

  115. Juice Box says:

    Assange may go free soon too now that he has done his part.

  116. I’m sure he’ll be every bit as transparent as Obama.

    Hope Trump doesn’t set a bad precedent by not showing his tax returns. It’s important that we have transparency and I hope he understands that.

  117. Fast Eddie says:

    Trump may crack 300 electoral votes.

    Someone on Hannity’s radio show called it yesterday, I can’t remember who.

  118. I was thinking that 2 days ago. He might have to watch Netflix for a couple more months though.

    Assange may go free soon too now that he has done his part.

  119. Chi says:

    Steam the Yield on the 10 is being impacted by the idea that Trump has specifically called out Janet Yellen so the impression is that he probably wants to forcep the fed funds rate at a quicker pace that has been previously reported

  120. That was me.

    Trump may crack 300 electoral votes.

    Someone on Hannity’s radio show called it yesterday, I can’t remember who.

  121. Chi says:

    Also to the extent that a lot of money from Europe Japan and China was stuffed into the United States he could also reflect panic trades were people are pulling money out and sending it back elsewhere

  122. Breaking: Clinton Foundation is reorganizing as a Cayman Island C-Corp.

  123. Fast Eddie says:

    Breaking: Clinton Foundation is reorganizing as a Cayman Island C-Corp.

    lol!

  124. Steamturd, obsessed with Cankles way more than Wieners. says:

    The DNC just got Berned!

  125. In a final “F.uck You”, Hillary should concede by email.

  126. Steamturd, obsessed with Cankles way more than Wieners. says:

    Thanks Chi. Makes perfect sense.

  127. Juice Box says:

    Where is Clot and his wisdom these days?

  128. Juice Box says:

    lol

    CNN: “At what point last night did you realise it was going your way?” // Kelly-Anne Conway: “About two and a half weeks ago.”

  129. leftwing says:

    Congratulations to everyone.

    For the first time in 39 years there will not be a Clinton sucking at the public teet.

    Difficult eradication process, but they are finally GONE.

  130. leftwing says:

    And true to character, she slunk away in the dark of the night.

  131. Juice Box says:

    leftwing – the neocons and neolibs are also gone.

  132. leftwing says:

    Ex 8:27a

    That’s a hilarious link to O roasting Trump at the Correspondents Dinner.

    They crowd is howling, busting at the seams, at his expense.

    How many of those liberal a$$holes do you think are laughing this morning, LOL.

  133. leftwing says:

    What are they doing, medicating Hillary?

    She was scheduled for a presser at 10:30a, Ryan delayed his to 11:15a to accommodate her.

    TV banners still show “Awaiting Hillary Clinton”…….

  134. Juice Box says:

    Facebook seems broken this morning.

  135. Chi says:

    Where the duck is Hillary?

  136. Chi says:

    I can’t stand Kaine. He is kind of an effeminate Biden

  137. Chi says:

    How Badly is this schmuck lying through his teeth?

  138. Chi says:

    Go away. No one wants to listen to this a$$

  139. leftwing says:

    OMG, did not realize it until Kaine said so right now, but Hillary may have squeaked out a win of the popular vote!

    When Trump was projected last night, he still had both.

    Wow, that must sting.

  140. leftwing says:

    The s3xual predator still front and center on stage……

  141. Lost says:

    On a positive note, most beautiful first lady in the history of our country.

  142. Chi says:

    How relieved is slick Willy that he’s going to be able to get Nookie without being monitored so closely

  143. leftwing says:

    Love the irony that they made an issue of Trump’s schoolyard language while Slick Willy under any rule of law should not be allowed within 500 feet of a school.

  144. Grim says:

    No riots in the village this morning – maybe on account of the rain.

  145. leftwing says:

    Bill looks seriously saddened and depressed, more so than Hillary.

    Did she whoop the **** out of him before the presser? Or is he just thinking of the decades of marital bliss remaining with her as private citizens? Or maybe the Foundation paper shredder jammed early this morn.

  146. Hmmm. Elizabeth Warren hasn’t tweeted in over 16 hours. I hope she is alright.

  147. Duh! Sitting presidents spend a lot of time away from the residence. Retired 70 year old women, not so much.

    Bill looks seriously saddened and depressed, more so than Hillary.

  148. Flee? says:

    I think HRC should have said that she screwed up, and should have accepted that it was her personal failing that she didn’t see the pain of a large group of population.

    However, she just gave a campaign stump speech! I don’t know much (and after last night, turns out I actually knew even less). Any political risks in saying that she screwed up big time and made a big mistake, even if it an honest mistake?

    CNN is crediting that she said sorry because women say sorry! The standard that I use with my kids is “at least say it like you mean it”, and she didn’t meet the standard. Unless CNN is sort of “don’t say bad things about the dead” or “don’t beat a dead horse”, there is no excuse.

    Personally, I would consider it as a major insult to the rust belt people that felt left out, if she fails to mention their pain. She doesn’t need to thank me for the few bucks, or acknowledge all the little girls and glass ceiling. She needs to acknowledge the ones that are hurt and still hurting — it may be easy to rule them as religious nuts or racists, or that their pain is easy to fix, but the right thing is to acknowledge that their pain is real.

    The defining factor, beyond emails, trustworthiness, experience, resume, etc., is the simple ability to see the pain of common people. Bill Clinton was able to see it, and should have easily seen the pain this time. How can she get herself to say the simple words (not the “radical islam1c terr0r1sm”, but the “you are hurting, and I failed to see the extent”).

    Again, all those that were pro-Trump or anti-Hillary, congrats! Also, apologies for making a mistake similar to the one I am accusing HRC — of not seeing the obvious! Never too old to learn!

    Fvck, if I watch any more CNN, I may end up sounding like a partisan Republican! Not only the fear of xenophobia still remains the same (tiny amount, but still non-zero), it turns out the current “stronger together” crop doesn’t even have a clue about the pain the “deplorables” are going through and even exclude them from the list of “together”.

  149. Juice Box says:

    Tolerant left.

    School shut down after ’employee’ (a teacher) goes on anti Trump tirade against a student in a Trump hat and gets FIRED…Comes back to school WITH A GUN TO SHOOT STUDENT but stopped by Police!

    http://www.ajc.com/news/crime–law/cops-holy-innocents-employee-was-loading-weapon/ci1OneC8Ta0sdzeWkks3aL/

  150. A couple notes from my ballot yesterday:

    Clinton/Kaine listed first
    Trump/Pence listed fourth

    My Congressional Rep, Capuono – Democrat running unopposed (like always)

    Councillor Third District – Democrat running unopposed

    State Senator – Democrat running unopposed

    State Representative – Democrat running unopposed

    Sheriff – Democrat running unopposed

    Register of Deeds – 1 Democrat* running against 3 independent

    *Same guy who lost his long held City Councilor seat until earlier this year. Needs a new state salary and now he has one.

    So, excluding write-ins, I was able to vote for POTUS and Register of Deeds. This is in Boston, not Dixville Notch.

  151. Steamturd, obsessed with Cankles way more than Wieners. says:

    Bad weather…ender of all liberal protests.

  152. Recreational Marijuana passed in MA, so add that expense to Junior’s educational costs when you send him up to one of our fine secondary schools for some high-value learnin’.

  153. 1987 Condo says:

    I 1980 I had voted for Anderson, no Reagan fan. But in college (in NYC) our “Events Coordinator” was ecstatic when word came Reagan was shot….I was stunned that an “adult” would actually feel that way about the current President of the US. No concern about political implications, opening for war, let alone he was a person, husband, father, and was our President…learned a lesson that day…..

  154. Anon E. Moose, saying 'Come back, JJ' says:

    Eddie [6:46];

    abandoned her constituents. Can you imagine? How telling! John Podesta telling the crowd to go home. Pathetic.

    Physically she was likely in no shape to be seen in public if she was not accepting victory. As for timing, they probably only had the Javits center until 2AM; and even the Clinton Foundation can’t afford Teamster double time in NYC.

    What find fitting is that she had a stage built in the shape of America for her to walk on — like that’s all America means to her; a stage beneath her (royal?) feet. And she never got to set foot on it, not even to concede defeat.

    You don’t have to go back to Arkansas, Hill — you made it out of there — but for now just go back to Chappaqua and just lay low. Live off your $200 million worth, but use it wisely, because the multi-million dollar donations are likely over. With any luck we’ve heard that last of any Clinton in public life, save for a retired presidents’ retrospective in another 5 or 10 years, and an eventual funeral.

  155. Anon E. Moose, saying 'Come back, JJ' says:

    Footstool [7:16];

    I have no problem watching America burn to the ground under unfettered right wing control. Dems deserved to lose. Grabs popcorn.

    As classy as always.

  156. Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:

    Footstool and his ilk are the reason there won’t be national unity. Even though his candidate and side called for it, they only meant unity on their terms.

    Personally, I’m OK with the idea that he wants to maintain a war footing. His militia loses badly if TSHTF

  157. Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:

    Condo

    You voted Anderson too? And I remember the bile on campus for Reagan from some. I even recall some ill wishes for the Pope when he got shot. All liberals of course.

  158. Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:

    Speaking of wishing ill, I was in a room a couple of weeks ago where a New Jersey Congressman referred to the death of Scalia as “divine intervention.”

    I had not heard that reported at all; either the room full of sympathetic listeners did not dime him out, or the media decided it was a non-story.

  159. 1987 Condo says:

    Not sure Pope would have ill will since he coordinated the downfall of the Soviet Union with him…

  160. Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:

    Juice,

    Much as I fully believe that those on the left are not tolerant and are capable of such behavior, there is nothing in that story link to indicate that this was an anti-trump tirade.

    Is there another source for that motivation?

  161. Fast Eddie says:

    Some riots breaking out on college campuses. You know, tolerance and all that sh1t as long as it jives with some soc1al movement.

  162. Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:

    Condo,

    That was John Paul II after he was shot. All I can tell you is that several women expressed ill will toward his health because of the churches position on abortion.

    Admittedly, it was a small fraction of the people I spoke to, and I spoke to a very large number.

  163. Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:

    Eddie,

    Of course they are breaking out on campuses. Those are gun free zones.

    Try bringing that sh1t to red counties.

  164. Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:
  165. Juice Box says:

    The 1st passenger said, ” I am Steph Curry , the best NBA basketball player. The warriors and my millions of fans need me , and i can’t afford to die” So he took the 1st pack and left the plane
    An airplane was about to crash. There were 4 passengers on board but only 3 parachutes.

    The 2nd passenger , Donald Trump , said , ” I am the newly elected US President , and I am the smartest President in American history , so my people don’t want me to die.” He took the 2nd pack and jumped out of the plane.
    The 3rd passenger , the Pope , said to the 4th passenger , a 10 year old schoolboy , ” My son , I am old and don’t have many years left , you have more years ahead so I will sacrifice my life and let you have the last parachute.” The little boy said , ” That’s okay , Your Holiness, there’s a parachute left for you. America’s smartest President took my schoolbag.”

  166. Juice Box says:

    humm title to the joke is missing.

    An airplane was about to crash. There were 4 passengers on board but only 3 parachutes.

  167. Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:

    Dow up triple digits? Didn’t see that coming

    But then, in retrospect it makes sense. When the market futures tanked, it might have been on the assumption that we would have a contested election. Once Clinton conceited, the market rose dramatically.

  168. Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:

    Juice, that joke is older than you. The first time I heard it, it was about Kissinger.

  169. Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:

    “leftwing says:
    November 9, 2016 at 11:46 am
    Love the irony that they made an issue of Trump’s schoolyard language while Slick Willy under any rule of law should not be allowed within 500 feet of a school.”

    POST OF THE DAY!!

  170. Essex says:

    11:49 Bill is just staring death in the face.

  171. McBox says:

    My CAT stock is up. I figurre the first trillion dollar stimulus bill would be infrastructure, perhaps we get a new train tunnell nto Manhattan? Who makes those tunnel boring machines?

  172. no need to flee for now! says:

    Now, chances of Trump screwing up in policy and the stock bubble (if it is one) bursting?

  173. Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:

    No need

    This bull is already pretty long in the tooth; if Trump were smart, he would trigger a recession now and get it out-of-the-way.

  174. Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:

    Can we all start talking about something else? Like football?

  175. 1987 Condo says:

    Reagan was pro-life, church is pro-life, what was issue?

  176. Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:

    Grim, in mod at 2:00 and no idea why. Your black list is pretty expansive if my legal jargon isn’t passing muster.

  177. Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:

    Condo,

    These women weren’t and were perfectly okay with them dying from gunshot wounds

  178. Comrade Nom Deplorable, just waiting on the Zombie Apocalypse. says:

    I’m checking out. Been fun but I’m still a bit fuzzy from anesthesia.

  179. Fast Eddie says:

    What happened to puzzy today?

  180. Fast Eddie says:

    The DNC post-election party ended like Carrie’s prom! LOL!

  181. Steamturd, obsessed with Cankles way more than Wieners. says:

    Facebook is awesome today.

  182. Grim says:

    So dark and nihilistic

  183. Steamturd, obsessed with Cankles way more than Wieners. says:

    I know. It’s really pathetic. I just reminded a woman who posted that country is filled with racists that these same Trump voters elected and reelected a black man who is still serving.

  184. Anon E. Moose, saying 'Come back, JJ' says:

    “Not our President” protests in Oakland, Berkely.

    But the media harangued Trump over refusing to accept the election returns. Projection. Hypocrites.

  185. Juice Box says:

    Voting Stats are out.

    231,556,622 potentially eligible voters

    46.9% didn’t vote
    25.6% voted Clinton
    25.5% voted Trump

    Here is the whole list of stats, age, race etc etc.

    http://www.statisticbrain.com/voting-statistics/

  186. Juice Box says:

    FB post from a California friend today.

    The game is rigged.

  187. HEHEHE says:

    The popular vote total is meaningless in our system. People don’t bother voting for candidates in states where they know it’s a waste of time. If it was a purely popular vote she may have won, she may not have.

  188. HEHEHE says:

    And the Democrats know the electoral college had benefited them handsomely in the past too.

  189. Juice Box says:

    Best comment so far on the protestors.

    these people are so pissed because now they have to work

  190. Juice Box says:

    White House Doesn’t Rule Out Pardoning Hillary Clinton

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz7xIKaOqEY

  191. Steamturd, obsessed with Cankles way more than Wieners. says:

    How many votes did Deez Nutz receive?

  192. HEHEHE says:

    Or Harambe?

  193. joyce says:

    This site says 89% of registered Democrats voted for Trump.

    Juice Box says:
    November 9, 2016 at 3:50 pm
    Voting Stats are out.

    231,556,622 potentially eligible voters

    46.9% didn’t vote
    25.6% voted Clinton
    25.5% voted Trump

    Here is the whole list of stats, age, race etc etc.

    http://www.statisticbrain.com/voting-statistics/

  194. No One says:

    On facebook I saw a hippie non-profit MBA classmate crying, talking about how her 11 year old son who is into yoga competitions said he wished he could go to sleep but was afraid to wake up to a Trump victory. Then she tells her facebook friends that she doesn’t know what she’ll say to him. And closes with “This is a bigger shock to me than 9/11”. She then recovers to share a bunch of Huffington post articles with photos of crying Statues of liberty, essays about grieving.

    Which reminds me. Did anyone go hang out in Montclair to enjoy the vibes?

  195. Grim says:

    Yeah saw numerous references to 9/11.

  196. Grim says:

    There is some idiotic huffpo piece on what to tell your kids.

    It’s a steaming load of crap.

  197. Anon E. Moose, saying 'Come back, JJ' says:

    I haven’t heard much (if any) caterwauling about Trump winning (convincingly, even) the electoral vote, but losing the nationwide popular vote. I hope this means that the National Popular Vote movement is dead — as it should be. It’s not a crisis; it’s how the Constitution was designed to work, to ensure broad nationwide support for the winning candidate.

    The reason for this outcome is largely the “distillation” of urban population centers, particularly Callifornia, but others like New York and Illinois as well. As California governance became more and more loony left, moderate and right-leaning citizens (including many entrepreneurs) “voted with their feet” by moving elsewhere. This results in the population that remains being ever more concentrated (“distilled”) on the far left of the political spectrum. Hillary won California (55 electoral votes) by about 2.5MM votes; Trump carried PA, MI, and WI (46 electoral votes) by a combined total of about half that. I wonder if anyone who matters will take any lessons from that.

  198. Tywin says:

    Tell your kids that hopefully soon Apple Inc will see fit to employ Americans to build their obscene-profit toys. Perhaps CEOs at Google, Microsoft, Facebook, et al, will choose to invest in high tech centers, in America, to create new generations of Americans creating tomorrow’s technology, instead of importing low-wage labor using H-1B visas.

    Or does that sound xenophobic?

  199. Steamturd thinking about the remains of Hillary's umbilical stump says:

    Wow Tywin. You sound upset? It’s OK. You can blame the DNC like the rest of us. Oh, and remember bro…no homo.

  200. Essex says:

    I dunno Mssr Lannister. I like the narrative but somehow I think that royal decree will not bringeth these jobs backeth.

  201. HEHEHE says:

    CNN headline anti-Trump protests in NYC and Chicago

    MSNBC headline Anti-Trump protests NATIONWIDE.

    Seriously that’s their f’g headlines and background they have going on while they sort through why their predetermined coronation never occurred.

    Btw that Val Jones is as bad or worse than Trump.

  202. 3b says:

    Stuff I have seen about trumps win on Facebook.
    1. I am afraid
    2. I am afraid for the l g b t community.
    3 I am afraid for my boyfriend who is an immigrant.
    4. What am I supposed to tell my students.
    5. This election proves America is racist ,sexist, ignorant.
    6. More I am afraid.

  203. 3b says:

    Oh sand they say the right is ignorant??

  204. HEHEHE says:

    Seriously it’s just an election. Enough with the histrionics. The world is not going to end. Whose this clown with the Foster Grants on MSNBC. What a nut.

  205. Fabius Maximus says:

    “To make America Great again need to bring back Rock n Roll. ”

    Rock is dead. When you have Depeche Mode and Kraftwerk on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Ballot, you know all is lost.

  206. Fabius Maximus says:

    Rudy in the Frame for AG and Sister Sarah is scary.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/who-is-in-president-trump-cabinet-231071

    Gary, are we great yet?

  207. D-FENS says:

    More irony out there. These protests are what gave rise to Trump in the first place.

  208. 3b says:

    Fab give it a rest. It’s less than 24 hours. You could be a little gracious at this point. There will be plenty of time to criticize.

  209. HEHEHE says:

    Rachel Maddow is batsh*t. Man I haven’t watched this much cable news in years. Between this junk in Fox News is it any wonder people on this country are so split. What a bunch of brain washed bs. Yeah these protests happened organically. Bs.

  210. Fabius Maximus says:

    3b

    Congratulations President elect Trump. I truly hope you are a great president who can bring this country together and move it forward. I hope you can learn from the mistakes those who have held that office in the past have made and not repeat them.
    You are our commander in chief, the country has give you a mandate and I accept that.

  211. No One says:

    Who found the best video of imwither supporters crying and marching and screaming. My niece is livestreaming her and her entitled classmates at Boston University shrieking about how Trump is triggering them.

  212. Fabius Maximus says:

    3b redux

    That said its Wayback Wednesday. And we are heading back to this day 2008.

    “You now have soci*list majorities in the House, Senate and the Whithouse… I don’t want to hear one f*cking excuse from a celebrity, a so-called minority or a liberal ever again.

    Everything from this point forward should smell like a rose and I expect a lot of stuff to be handed to me on a golden platter. Indeed… ask what your Country can do for you.”

    Ok Gary, now you have all three, your ball, show us how its done.

    Are we great yet.?

  213. HEHEHE says:

    Einstein Maddow asked if there were counter protesters. No I’m willing to wager those people have jobs. Wonder how much Soros money have gone into the organic protests.

  214. Flee? says:

    3b, I am afraid for undocumented immigrants. A mass deportation will be a moral crisis.

  215. 3b says:

    Flee that remains to be seen. But the post on Facebook said immigrant nothing about illegal. And they are not undocumented they are illegal. They knowingly broke the law. It’s time we got away from the pc nonsense.

  216. chicagofinance says:

    Isn’t the difference only about 200,000? Who gives a fluck?

    Anon E. Moose, saying ‘Come back, JJ’ says:
    November 9, 2016 at 5:58 pm
    I haven’t heard much (if any) caterwauling about Trump winning (convincingly, even) the electoral vote, but losing the nationwide popular vote.

  217. 3b says:

    Fab fair enough. Know you are engaging in tit for tat or whataboutry as we say in my circles. You guys are supposed to be above that or that’s how you like to perceive yourselves. Although these protests suggest otherwise.

  218. chicagofinance says:

    A moral crisis would be sending them home to certain death….in that case the individual could make the case for political asylum or something similar…otherwise? they should get the fcuk out and apply for a green card like the rest of my non-U.S. born family……

    Flee? says:
    November 9, 2016 at 9:36 pm
    3b, I am afraid for undocumented immigrants. A mass deportation will be a moral crisis.

  219. chicagofinance says:

    WTF is this? Are these exams curved anyway?

    “Given the stressful path of the results of the election thus far, regardless of the outcome, the majority of the student body at Yale will be emotionally distraught and distracted…and our performance on the midterm will be hindered massively,” read an email sent to the teacher.

    “Is there [any] hope of postponing the exam to preserve the sanctity and mental health of students in this class? Even though the midterm is more about application than fact recall, I am fairly confident that it will be nearly impossible for anyone to focus tomorrow morning. I am sure that man students would even make arrangements to come outside of class time if it means that we will be in a better mental state when taking the exam. Please consider such an act of kindness.”

  220. chicagofinance says:

    Don’t these stupid kids understand that this type of behavior is the exact reason a “Trump” materialized and won?

  221. Flee? says:

    Fab, Gary appears to be fairly inconsistent… Even things like upgrading a house and job are great in the context of my wealth is bigger than yours, but are horrible in the context of whether Obama’s years have been great.

    That said, if my experience with this election showed me one thing is that taking statements literally is a recipe for disaster. I don’t want to speak for Gary, but the apparent inconsistency can be due to something as simple as “I faced tough times, but got back on my feet and doing very well. But, four of my close friends are still in a bad shape even after eight years.”

  222. Flee? says:

    3b, please bear with me using the term undocumented. I don’t feel comfortable using the term “illegal” (I am not objecting to anyone using it).

    chifi, A moral crisis would be sending them home to certain death….
    Sadly, if we look at many people, the troubles a particular person faces may range anywhere from “no problem” to “certain death”.

  223. @IngrahamAngle
    Memo to Protestors & Homespun Wisdom: Suck it up, Buttercups. Grow up. You don’t always win a trophy.

  224. 3b says:

    Flee what is the problem with illegal if you break the law it is illegal. It’s that simple. Ironically I am flipping around the tv channels watching these protests and what do I see people protesting trumps election carrying Mexican flags. Ironic no??

  225. Fabius Maximus says:

    3b

    With “Are we great yet”, I may step low, but you know what, its nice to get a break from eight straight years of a constant moan drone. If you are going to measure graciousness, Gary’s post gives you the barometer.

    As to my comment on Trumps cabinet and Sister Sarah in particular. It is worth serious discussion starting today. It she qualified for a cabinet position. I have to answer yes. As a former Governor, she ticks the boxes. For the Interior job as Alaska is a balance of Nature and oil, she can make a case. I would say that putting her in charge of a department that held the reins on her in Alaska, is a mistake. I could see ANWR drilling on the 100 day agenda, and Atlantic drilling comes straight back into focus.
    That said I think whoever get the Interior job will rubber stamp those anyway, so why not her.

    There is a serious discussion to be had. The result is over. This pill is as bitter as 2000, but it shows, it’s not our first rodeo. We have been down this path before.

  226. 3b says:

    No argument from me on Palin. She is an idiot and I have no problem calling her one. She clearly is. She should be in charge of a coat check Rom.

  227. 3b says:

    Should not be in charge of a coat check room.

  228. Fabius Maximus says:
  229. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_61hzuGGJX0

    3b, please bear with me using the term undocumented. I don’t feel comfortable using the term “illegal” (I am not objecting to anyone using it).

  230. We should call bank robbers undocumented withdrawers, murderers undocumented executioners, drug dealers undocumented pharmacists, and arsonists undocumented pyrotechnics experts.

  231. No One says:

    SJW tantrums just reaffirming their widespread public image of babies crying for “safe space” cradles tonight. Trump wasn’t my choice but I will save my critiques for actual policy action.

  232. Flee? says:

    ExPat … you used your choice of words man and I am not telling what to use; why not let me use the word that I am comfortable with, especially when the meaning is obvious and it is not a euphemism? If “illegal” is the right term, is the next FLOTUS “illegal”? She is not “illegal” and not un-documented, but has some visa violations in the past.

    You got offended when I called your plan home sale and timing the buy-back strategy as day-trading (is “speculation” a better word — I use the term day-trading as a blanket term for speculative stuff)? You aren’t fine with others using a stronger word than you use, and also aren’t fine with others using a milder word?

    Sometimes, very strong words are not needed… Like we don’t call people that post here during regular work hours as thieves… Like we don’t call those that have a speeding ticket as criminals… If we dig enough search here, there is enough to call many people some variant of “criminals”… Doesn’t make them so.

  233. fleabag – “Undocumented _________” IS the most cunty euphemism EVER! You wanna go a few rounds on “common sense” gun laws next?

    ExPat … you used your choice of words man and I am not telling what to use; why not let me use the word that I am comfortable with, especially when the meaning is obvious and it is not a euphemism?

  234. fleabag – Sorry. I didn’t know you were so under-educated in financial markets. A day-trader starts and ends every day in cash. That is why “day” is in the name. You may not even have a brokerage account, so you may knoq very little in this sphere. Buy and sell 5 stocks in the same week prior to 3 day settlement and you will get a letter from your brokerage instructing you on all the capital requirements and rules and you will then be a pattern day trader whether you intended to be or not. I’m most easily offended by ignorance, so you are pretty good at getting me there. If you ever accumulate any wealth try this: Save up a 40% down payment and use it to buy a home with a McDonald’s mortgage (a mortgage you can pay on a one salary, even if you have to work at McDonalds). You will be successful in real estate from that point forward.

    You got offended when I called your plan home sale and timing the buy-back strategy as day-trading (is “speculation” a better word — I use the term day-trading as a blanket term for speculative stuff)? You aren’t fine with others using a stronger word than you use, and also aren’t fine with others using a milder word?

  235. ^^^ And double pay your mortgage for as long or as often as you can. You’ll see yourself accumulate lots of equity instead of waiting 22 years to have your mortgage half paid off.

  236. Much like a child street walker. Get it?
    A day-trader starts and ends every day in cash.

  237. So…applying the same ignorance that you applied, an arranged Indian marriage is the same as a street pros.

  238. Flee? says:

    NJ Excreta, I am talking about not using wild terms. You are the one using it.

    You take “day-trade” literally (yeah, I know the term and have been burned by it), but in the housing time-scales, making round-trip sales within a few months is more or less an equivalent of a day-trade of equities.

    You want to talk about down payments? I saved and paid 40% of loan (got it cheap, so close to 60% equity — we bought it when we both had jobs, unlike someone here that got a house with no jobs, but you have a MIL to get money from). Let’s say that the equity I have is more than your starter home’s worth. The money I saved for kids’ education (younger one is pre-k) is already close to the target of 2x tuition (400k — the last buy of 100 SPY on Monday AM pushed it to within 10k of target; I was going to buy, and Monday AM seemed like a good time to buy). I am a simpleton that learned the hard way that simply putting regular deposits in SPY is a reasonable strategy for time horizons of 10 years or more. I don’t even think about putting my emergency fund money in stocks. Oh, your net worth of 85% of 400k of a 1 bath condo with two kids is less than the salary + bonus of a many two income households (“low-wage” tech people). Two 150k salaries (one less, one more) and bonuses (one more, one less) push it above that (pre-tax, of course, so two years worth).

    I know, you didn’t have much money and no job while buying the house, and your plan for kids’ college is to make/fake no money so that you can suck on government teat. This is your “pedal to metal bread-winning period” and it is the same keep posting on NJ RE site!

    NJ Expat, with two young girls living you with, why is your obsession with making sexual references to an young girl under 10 years? Are you bitter that you have to rely on a 50k salary from wife and an allowance from MIL?

    Behind blue eyes lies an insecure potential child molester with an obsession of sex with young children and creepy behavior with his older daughter, and whose financial plan is to be a tax cheat and inheritance of money. Don’t worry, I am talking about the next President.

  239. 3b says:

    Flee you are only a simpleton because you can’t or refuse to answer simple questions.

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