Christie kicks the can

From the Star Ledger:

Christie signs bill to give Sandy victims some protection against foreclosure

New Jersey homeowners facing foreclosure while they’re still trying to rebuild from Hurricane Sandy now can be protected from losing their homes.

A bill signed Friday by Gov. Chris Christie gives certain homeowners affected by Sandy the potential to ward off foreclosures for up to three years while they try to recover financially from the storm.

In his signing statement, Christie indicated he wasn’t completely happy with the bill (S-2300, A-333), which he said was too broadly written to include foreclosures not precipitated by Sandy.

But the signing was welcome news to members of the New Jersey Organizing Project, a grass-roots group of Sandy victims and other housing advocates who have been waiting two years for the governor to take action.

Last fall, Christie incurred the wrath of Sandy victims at an appearance in Seaside Heights where they complained many were still not home and faced financial ruin because of the state’s slow process in disbursing federal Sandy aid to rebuild.

At that time, Christie said he would take another look at the foreclosure bill, but many, including Mangino, said they were skeptical Christie would sign it.

“For all the families struggling to keep their heads above water, there’s hope,” said Staci Berger, president and chief executive officer of the Housing and Community Development Network of New Jersey. “Our families, friends, and neighbors deserve better than what they’ve been forced to endure over the last four years. Because of the hard work and dedication of our legislative leaders, Sandy survivors, and advocates, there will finally be some relief and the chance to rebuild.”

The law creates a forbearance period for up to three years for Sandy victims who have either been approved for help through the Reconstruction, Rehabilitation, Elevation and Mitigation Program or the Low-to-Moderate Income Program or those who have received rental assistance through the Federal Emergency Management Agency for damage to their primary residence.

Those approved would receive a certificate of eligibility for mortgage forbearance from the state Department of Community Affairs, allowing them to tack onto the end of their mortgage the months they missed paying during their Sandy recovery.

They would still be responsible for paying their taxes and insurance.

Thousands of homeowners would be eligible for help under this law, Mangino said.

That includes Sandy victims who were facing foreclosure before the storm hit or whose mortgage default problems were unrelated to storm damage. Christie said he didn’t want it as part of the law because he said it would cause “mountains of damage” to “our federal funding flow and our state housing market.”

“I am very concerned these new requirements may adversely impact the state’s recovery efforts, jeopardize federal Sandy funding, increase borrowing costs and ultimately delay Sandy-impacted residents’ return to their homes,” he wrote.

Calling the bill “sloppily written” and “ill conceived,” Christie accused its Democratic sponsors of “politically pandering” to Sandy victims during to get re-elected.

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408 Responses to Christie kicks the can

  1. Mike says:

    Good Morning New Jersey

  2. 3b says:

    Damn it was cold last night!!

  3. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @MaxBoot

    With Flynn scandal, we are seeing only the tip of Kremlingate.
    Needed:
    bipartisan investigation into full Trump-Putin ties.

  4. Phoenix says:

    Frontline had good episode on Sandy

  5. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @KeithOlbermann

    Resigned or not, he violated Logan Act.
    Flynn must be arrested and Trump must be named an unindicted co-conspirator

  6. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @ezraklein

    Imagine this was Clinton’s NatSec Advisor.
    Would anything happen over the next 4 years save House investigations?

  7. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Wtf? Is this guy an idiot? Unbelievable. Trump going to have to work overtime trying to get away from this mess.

    Grab them by the puzzy says:
    February 14, 2017 at 8:09 am
    @KeithOlbermann

    Resigned or not, he violated Logan Act.
    Flynn must be arrested and Trump must be named an unindicted co-conspirator

  8. soutwin says:

    Hillary Fined $300,000 ~: The Logan Act Bars Public Officials From Meeting With Bilderbergs 2002….

  9. ProudLiberal says:

    What a joke! A cruel one nonetheless!

    Make national security all about the mexicans and muslims, while secretly making deals with the real enemy to sell out the country. Anyone who doesn’t see this is a moron!

    Wake up Orange Turd supporters!

  10. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – If that were the case the Obama Administration should have arrested him.
    The FBI should play the December 29th recordings, they have it on tape. No harm no foul right? We all know the government agents on both sides snoop on all phone calls and text, let’s get it out there.

  11. ProudLiberal says:

    Juicy, yea, let’s get it out there. Do you know why it’s not out there? ‘cuz the whole house of cards is going to fall.

  12. ProudLiberal says:

    Everything about this administration is FAKE.
    From the fake wife – Have you ever seen DJT holding MT’s hands? She’s just an object; to the fake outrage against muslims (he has a lot of business ties with Sheikhs in the Gulf) and mexicans (who he hires by the drones in his hotels).

    #LockHimUp

  13. Comrade Nom Deplorable, The G.O.A.T. says:

    Puzzy,

    I know you aren’t a lawyer so I will be kind: Your’s and Herr Olbermann’s conclusion relies on a number of things being proved, none of which are proved as yet. And I am really not being kind to you; you’re a tool. I’m being kind to the other readers who may have some cognitive noise caused by your twitiocy.

    The Logan Act punishes the interaction only if it is proven to have occurred “with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States. . .”

    So you need intent to influence: It’s very hard to prove intent.

    You also need either a “dispute or controversy” that is related to said intentional act, or intent to “defeat the measures of the United States.”

    The latter is a non sequitur by the way: Assuming Flynn did this, the suggestion that a willingness to change the measures of the United States once you are in power is “defeating the measures” is circular logic. Trump would have every right to change US policy (or “measures”) once he is in office so anything Flynn might have promises effectively “merges” into US policy. In short, he could have blatantly promised that Trump would roll back everything Obama did and that does not “defeat the measures of the United States” because you can’t defeat yourself.

    So you are left trying to prove that Flynn intentionally attempted to influence the measures or conduct of the Russian government or its officials in connection with a dispute. This requires (a) a dispute or controversy that was the subject of the alleged influence (we will be generous and assume there was one) and (b) an attempt to purposefully influence the conduct of those Flynn is dealing with. Not only is this unproven, I haven’t seen where it is even alleged that he tried to get the Russians to do (or not do) something.

    So, no, absent more, there is no Logan Act violation. Unless you are in the Court of Fabius where assumptions=facts and feelings=law.

  14. Tywin says:

    So the Russians, who Obama claimed were insignificant while mocking Mitt Romney, and who allegedly accessed e-mails from Hillary’s unsecure basement e-mail server, are the latest boogeyman distraction.

    No one cares outside the “mainstream” media.

    Secure the border. Fix our moronic trade deals. Bring factories and jobs back to our shores. Stop importing H-1Bs en masse to destroy the middle class.

    Normal people don’t care about the media-engineered distractions.

  15. STEAMturd, thinking Trump is less of a mysoginist than Bill was. says:

    Can someone try to explain the Flynn thing to me? I can’t seem to find an unbiased report on the issue. I do know his history.

    As far as I can tell, Obama put sanctions in place against Putin due to his action in Syria and the Ukraine .

    Flynn, in December, spoke with the Russian ambassador (before Trump took power) and discussed the sanctions (problem told him not to worry as Trump would try to end them). Trump’s position has always been to work with Russia to solve the Syrian crisis.

    Flynn then lies to Pence about having discussed the sanctions (claims they didn’t). So he’s caught in a lie.

    Lots of things wrong here including the Logan Act abuse. Resignation was an easy out for him.

    Besides showing extreme lack of professionalism and poise, I hardly see this as that large of a scar on the Trump administration, which doesn’t seem to care at all about perception.

    What am I missing here besides some general sloppiness.

    And when the heck did Russia become so scary? I thought the cold war ended when the Berlin Wall came down, or at least when the Penguins got Evgeni Malkin?

  16. Fast Eddie says:

    You know why all of this is so enjoyable? It’s because we have the House, the Senate, the Presidency, the SC and the oddballs having nothing. Tangible always “trumps” rhetoric and there’s not a f.ucking thing the p.ussy hats can do about it. You’ll have a meager, unfulfilled, sad, anguished, jaundiced existence up until your death because you truly believed screaming and crying was the key to success.

  17. STEAMturd, thinking Trump is less of a mysoginist than Bill was. says:

    Thanks for the explanation Nom. Once again, the left is clutching at the same straws the right was during the last 8 years. The similarities are almost eerie. I already heard that they are complaining about the amount of time The Donald has spent at his golf club.

  18. The Great Pumpkin says:

    He obviously resigned for a reason.

    “So you need intent to influence: It’s very hard to prove intent.”

  19. Comrade Nom Deplorable, The G.O.A.T. says:

    Steam,

    ” I already heard that they are complaining about the amount of time The Donald has spent at his golf club.”

    They have been, and loudly.

    They also complain about USSS protection for Trump’s family. There, I say, okay, pass a law and pull it. For all USSS protectees. Chelsea, Sasha and Malia don’t need it any more than Melania, right?

    Hypocrisy is clearly a liberal trait. So is totalitarianism.

  20. Comrade Nom Deplorable, The G.O.A.T. says:

    Pumpkin,

    “He obviously resigned for a reason.”

    Since you feel that you know, care to enlighten us?

  21. The Great Pumpkin says:

    When they started making moves to take back lands and become a world power again.

    “Regardless of the outcome of the Putin-Obama meeting to discuss Syria, Ukraine and other matters, one thing is clear –the meeting demonstrates the sudden, even shocking, rise to power of Russia in the last several years.

    In a world full of surprises–the rise of Islamic fundamentalism, the weakness in the Chinese economy, the battles within the European Union, the making of the Iran deal, the slide in the American stock market–the greatest surprise of all has been the sudden rebirth of Russian power under Vladimir Putin.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/09/28/surprise-surprise-russia-is-world-power-again.html

    “And when the heck did Russia become so scary? I thought the cold war ended when the Berlin Wall came down, or at least when the Penguins got Evgeni Malkin?”

  22. Comrade Nom Deplorable, The G.O.A.T. says:

    “STEAMturd, thinking Trump is less of a mysoginist than Bill was.”

    Trump talked about being so powerful that women would let you grab their puzzies.

    Bill Clinton actually did grab their puzzies.

    Liberal=hypocrite.

  23. STEAMturd, thinking Trump is less of a mysoginist than Bill was. says:

    He obviously resigned for a reason.

    He resigned due to being caught in a lie. Just like Bill did. Oh wait!

  24. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Nom, I don’t know, all I know is the guy resigned for a reason. Seems like he did something wrong, but we will never find that out, will we?

  25. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @paulkrugman

    Treason versus tax cuts — not a hard choice, it seems.

  26. STEAMturd, thinking Trump is less of a mysoginist than Bill was. says:

    “Treason versus tax cuts — not a hard choice, it seems.”

    I’ll repeat myself again. Krugman has ruined any cache that the Nobel used to hold.

  27. Comrade Nom Deplorable, The G.O.A.T. says:

    Pumps,

    Could it be that he became a source of controversy? Resignations in DC happen for that reason all the time.

  28. STEAMturd, thinking Trump is less of a mysoginist than Bill was. says:

    Listening to Krugman is akin to taking financial advice from Helen Keller.

  29. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @ianbremmer

    Russia ties have felled Mike Flynn, Carter Page & Paul Manafort.

    Putin not only doing the Republicans’ job, but Democrats’ too.

  30. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Yellen Warns “Waiting Too Long To Hike Is Unwise”

    Isn’t that akin to a too-big-to-fail bank saying that too much leverage is a bad thing?

  31. Comrade Nom Deplorable, The G.O.A.T. says:

    Steam,

    “Krugman has ruined any cache that the Nobel used to hold.”

    The problem isn’t the recipients, the problem is the committees. The econ and peace prizes have become a joke, the peace prize most of all. After giving one to Obama for literally nothing, they came back the next year and gave one to the European Union.

    Just another mutual admiration society award show. At least the science Nobels still mean something.

  32. Comrade Nom Deplorable, The G.O.A.T. says:

    Steam,

    “Listening to Krugman is akin to taking financial advice from Helen Keller”

    No, listening to Krugman is like getting a driving lesson from Helen Keller.

  33. STEAMturd, thinking Trump is less of a mysoginist than Bill was. says:

    Nom, the Nobel committee seems to be run like the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Everyone has their favorites.

  34. Fast Eddie says:

    Oh look, College Democrats forcing white people to segregate. Shades of Star of David, anyone?

    http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/31183/

  35. Fast Eddie says:

    Who’s Paul Krugman?

  36. Comrade Nom Deplorable, The G.O.A.T. says:

    Helen Keller,

    Which reminds me of my only Helen Keller story: I used to live not far from the Perkins School in Watertown, Mass. One of my frat brothers dated a teacher there. One night, we were driving back to the dorm so she could get something. My friend was in the back, I was shotgun. We drove over three or four speed bumps and I said “Hey, braille roads. Driving for the blind.”

    My frat brother was sitting behind me and slapped me upside the head but his GF said “Oh, that’s great, I have to remember that for the kids.”

    We were both like whaaaaa? and she said “They love blind jokes. Their favorites are dirty Helen Keller jokes.”

  37. ProudLiberal says:

    Slow down Tywin. Don’t get distracted. Let’s break this down shall we –

    >> Secure the border.

    All this is going to do is cost of everything from your groceries to lawn to hotel rates to go up.

    >> Fix our moronic trade deals.

    Outside the US, before Trump came in, there’s a saying called “White magic”. It stands for the US (and the west) in general being masters of trade deals – exploiting other countries politcal weaknesses for american corporate benefits. The US always had an advantage in trade deals. The guy in the south selling “boild peenuts” it may not help, but US companies have always had an upper hand in negotiations.

    >> Bring factories and jobs back to our shores.

    That is not a government job. Govt is sold to the highest bidding company a while back. If you want reform, ask for campaign finance reform. Again, don’t get distracted… Russia is not going to help.

    >> Stop importing H-1Bs en masse to destroy the middle class.
    Agreed that the H1B loopholes need to be fixed. But do you know who’s closer to Indian companies than Obama? Yes DJT. So sorry, if you voted for Trump you are getting screwed on this front.

  38. STEAMturd, thinking Trump is less of a mysoginist than Bill was. says:

    By Lukas Mikelionis | 1:29 pm, February 12, 2017

    A Black Lives Matter leader has come under fire after arguing on social media that white people are “sub-human” and suffer from “recessive genetic defects,” and musing about how the race could be wiped out.

    In a Facebook post, Black Lives Matter Toronto co-founder Yusra Khogali went on a rant, arguing that black people are the superior race because white people posses “genetic defects” that make them lesser humans, according to the Toronto Sun.

  39. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I just want the focus to be on the economy. Getting sick of all the noise that results in nothing.

  40. Comrade Nom Deplorable, The G.O.A.T. says:

    Steam,

    “A Black Lives Matter leader has come under fire after arguing on social media that white people are “sub-human” and suffer from “recessive genetic defects,” and musing about how the race could be wiped out.”

    I was laughing about that yesterday. How many “superior” cultures were wiped out by the White Scourge throughout history?

    Most blacks don’t want a race war. Not because they love us but because they know that they are vastly outnumbered, outgunned, and that it will end badly for them.

  41. Comrade Nom Deplorable, The G.O.A.T. says:

    Pumpkin,

    “Getting sick of all the noise that results in nothing.”

    Then turn off CNN, MSNBC, NYT, and the twitiot/footrest/gluteuses of the world. They are the ones trying to crash the plan.

  42. Comrade Nom Deplorable, The G.O.A.T. says:

    plane, not plan.

  43. Fast Eddie says:

    All this is going to do is cost of everything from your groceries to lawn to hotel rates to go up.

    I’d rather pay for this and more than support anything associated with a whining lefty cause.

    But do you know who’s closer to Indian companies than Obama? Yes DJT.

    Obama never did business with any company. He doesn’t know what “private sector” means so what’s your point?

  44. STEAMturd, thinking Trump is less of a mysoginist than Bill was. says:

    Is it me or does Janet Yellin look a lot like ET.

  45. ProudLiberal says:

    Too Fast for yourself Eddie,

    >> I’d rather pay for this and more than support anything associated with a whining lefty cause.

    But that’s not why you voted for Trump, is it?

    >> Obama never did business with any company. He doesn’t know what “private sector” means so what’s your point?

    So, you are going to base your decisions on your deep rooted anti-black fears, vs. the point we were discussing – which is bringing in H1Bs to exploit the middle class. Again… don’t get distracted. think. please. for yourself!

  46. ProudLiberal says:

    >> Is it me or does Janet Yellin look a lot like ET.

    So says the Orange Turd supporter?!

  47. ProudLiberal says:

    >> “Getting sick of all the noise that results in nothing.”

    Remember all the noise that was generated by Russia in terms of fake news prior to the elections? Yes, sickening. And it confused the heck out of americans who voted against the real signal entering their little brains.

  48. STEAMturd, thinking Trump is less of a mysoginist than Bill was. says:

    Proud Liberal…your elitism is showing. So is your binky.

  49. Fast Eddie says:

    So, you are going to base your decisions on your deep rooted anti-black fears…

    You want to know how much time and money my family spent on inner city kids when we owned a business? I bet you it was more than Obama himself.

  50. STEAMturd, thinking Trump is less of a mysoginist than Bill was. says:

    And if you think I’m a Trump supporter, you are sadly wrong. Though, I’m not a Trump Hater like I was a Hillary hater.

  51. The Original NJ Ex says:

    Nom – I have a great story about the Perkins School but I couldn’t get it to post here. I sent it to your lastnamelaw email address.

  52. The Original NJ Ex says:

    I p1ssed off a woman I went to HS with (super Hillary supporter/Trump hater/Ph.D. , tenured college prof) by asserting that all billionaires are pre-vetted and can do any job they want in government, including Betsy DeVos. I went on to tell her that if Warren Buffet wants her job she’ll need to spruce up her CV and hit the bricks.

    And if you think I’m a Trump supporter, you are sadly wrong. Though, I’m not a Trump Hater like I was a Hillary hater.

  53. The Original NJ Ex says:

    Just the tip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tgS1n7DQbY

    With Flynn scandal, we are seeing only the tip of Kremlingate.
    Needed:
    bipartisan investigation into full Trump-Putin ties.

  54. ProudLiberal says:

    >> Proud Liberal…your elitism is showing. So is your binky.
    I’m so hurt! lol.

    >> You want to know how much time and money my family spent on inner city kids when we owned a business? I bet you it was more than Obama himself.

    Ha. That seems to have struck a nerve somewhere. But tell me, does isolating the “inner city kids” further help the cause?

    >> And if you think I’m a Trump supporter, you are sadly wrong. Though, I’m not a Trump Hater like I was a Hillary hater.

    The vote was binary. You voted for or against the Orange Turd for Prez. That’s all that matters.

  55. Comrade Nom Deplorable, The G.O.A.T. says:

    Most Trump voters don’t actually like him. They voted for him because:

    A. They don’t like politicians;
    B. They don’t like Hillary;
    C. They don’t like democrats/liberals/progressives; or
    D. All of the above.

    The average Trump supporter isn’t oblivious to the noise; they just see it for what it is.

    And they do get irritated with his tweeting, counterpunching and showmanship but not because they don’t like it. Rather, they think he should be ignoring the noise coming at him.

    That said, he has to start delivering–to that end, the average Trump supporter doesn’t want to see a counterpuncher, they want to see a bulldozer.

  56. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @ianbremmer

    In 64 years, no one has had a shorter tenure as national security adviser.

    The average is 2.6 years—Flynn lasted 24 days.

  57. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @jessedruker

    GOP Senate Intel Member:
    Exhaustive investigation into Trump-Russia connections needed following Flynn resignation

  58. ProudLiberal says:

    @GOAT:
    >> Most Trump voters don’t actually like him. They voted for him because:
    A. They don’t like politicians;
    B. They don’t like Hillary;
    C. They don’t like democrats/liberals/progressives; or
    D. All of the above.

    aka NOISE!

  59. The Original NJ Ex says:

    Raise your hand if you’ve grabbed a puzzy.
    Put your hand down if you asked first.

  60. The Original NJ Ex says:

    Most Trump voters don’t actually like him. They voted for him because:
    A. They don’t like politicians;
    B. They don’t like Hillary;
    C. They don’t like democrats/liberals/progressives; or career politicians.
    D. All of the above.

  61. Tywin says:

    >> Secure the border. — All this is going to do is cost of everything from your groceries to lawn to hotel rates to go up.

    Believe it or not, the country actually functioned perfectly well when US citizens worked on farms and mowed lawns. I used to mow lawns in my teens; now all those entry-level jobs are held by illegals, leaving Americans, including minority communities, with no bottom rung on the ladder to success. The construction industry has also been decimated by illegals.

    >> Fix our moronic trade deals. — US companies have always had an upper hand in negotiations.

    That “upper hand” must explain why everything is Made in China and our factories are closing.

    >> Bring factories and jobs back to our shores. — That is not a government job. … ask for campaign finance reform.

    The job of the US government is to serve and protect US citizens. Campaign finance reform has already passed, it’s called President Trump.

    >> Stop importing H-1Bs en masse to destroy the middle class. — Agreed that the H1B loopholes need to be fixed.

    Not a single candidate, from either party, has even raised the H-1B issue aside from Donald Trump. Jeff Sessions, our new Attorney General, has been actively fighting H-1B visa abuses for over 10 years. These two combined will hopefully solve the problem.

    donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-position-on-visas

    “The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration: these are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay. I remain totally committed to eliminating rampant, widespread H-1B abuse and ending outrageous practices such as those that occurred at Disney in Florida when Americans were forced to train their foreign replacements. I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program, and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program. No exceptions.”

  62. Tywin says:

    They voted for him because:
    A) They like his policies, and his tenacity to defend them against the PC whiners.

  63. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @davidfrum

    The question of Russian money flows into the Trump Organization is becoming more interesting by the hour

  64. ProudLiberal says:

    >>Most Trump voters don’t actually like him. They voted for him because…

    Like Tom Hanks alluded to, if you want a root canal you need to go to a professional dentist – Doesn’t matter whether you like him or not (especially if she’s the only option). You can’t pick a guy off the street with no experience for the operation.

    Running the govt is a lot more complicated (I can’t believe I have to say it) than a root canal.

  65. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @FT

    Our most commented-on article right now
    – Donald Trump’s national security adviser Michael Flynn resigns

  66. Fast Eddie says:

    But tell me, does isolating the “inner city kids” further help the cause?

    Trying to isolate them is helping them? Tell their parents to raise the bar! You are a typical liberal who claims to know all by doing nothing. Struck a nerve? From you? LMFAO!!!

  67. ProudLiberal says:

    @ Tywhine,
    >> PC whiners.

    I’m trying to elevate the level of discourse here and you are bringing it dowwwnnn. Think.

  68. ProudLiberal says:

    Too Fast for yourself Eddie,

    >> Tell their parents to raise the bar!

    Most of them don’t have parents.

  69. Fast Eddie says:

    Running the govt is a lot more complicated (I can’t believe I have to say it) than a root canal.

    Oh, you’re so edgy and intelligent! [barf]

  70. Fast Eddie says:

    Most of them don’t have parents.

    Exactly.

  71. Comrade Nom Deplorable, The G.O.A.T. says:

    I find it curious that the Twitiot continually parrots a guy who espouses free markets and American hegemony, things the Twitiot apparently despises.

  72. Comrade Nom Deplorable, The G.O.A.T. says:

    Fast Eddie says:
    February 14, 2017 at 12:29 pm

    Most of them don’t have parents.

    Exactly.”

    Oh man, b1tchslapped.

  73. Fast Eddie says:

    Like Tom Hanks alluded to…

    LOL! Omg, please, keep it coming!!

  74. Comrade Nom Deplorable, The G.O.A.T. says:

    Interesting snippet from a WaPo story from just prior to the midterm in 2014 (in which Obama got “shellacked” again):

    “That spring, a group of Senate Republicans met with Obama over dinner to explore entitlement and tax-code reform. Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) considered such an overhaul a priority, but he had a small side concern: He wanted to urge the president to use his influence with Democrats to prevent a change in the Senate’s filibuster rules. The change would strip the minority party — the GOP now, but maybe the Democrats next year — of its power to block or slow presidential nominations.

    At the dinner, Alexander said, he handed Obama a one-page memo making his argument that this administration would not be justified in changing the rules because it had gotten as many nominees approved as previous administrations in similar circumstances.

    Aside from a second request for the memo, Alexander said, he never heard back. He was disappointed, and he called the snub indicative of why the White House has trouble getting things done on Capitol Hill. “I would have liked for someone to show me where I was wrong or show me where I was right,” he said.

    White House senior adviser Dan Pfeiffer said the real problem was not disagreement about nominations but GOP intransigence on raising taxes as part of any fiscal deal, suggesting that the differences were substantial and maybe insurmountable.”

    So Alexander tried to warn Obama that the nuclear option was bad politics and the WH response was “if you’re going to be intransigent, so will we.”

    Karma’s a b1tch.

  75. Comrade Nom Deplorable, The G.O.A.T. says:

    ” ProudLiberal says:
    February 14, 2017 at 12:24 pm

    “You can’t pick a guy off the street with no experience for the operation.”

    You really ought to think about what you’re saying. Which is this:

    Successful billionaire international developer=inexperienced
    Community organizer/short term jr. senator=experienced

    Yeah, got it.

  76. STEAMturd, thinking Trump is less of a mysoginist than Bill was. says:

    You voted for or against the Orange Turd for Prez. That’s all that matters.

    You see, this is your opinion. Not a fact. But from your elitist bassinet, where you are whine in continuity like a colicky infant. You can no longer discern fact from opinion. Hillary would have been a nightmare for this country. Way worse than the bumbling orange turd, who admittedly is not very polished, but is following through on the promises that got him elected. Had Obama not squandered his much larger mandate while preaching of hope and change and then immediately doing what every president before him in recent memory has done which is to immediately placate and return the favor of every contributor and lobbyist to his campaign, then Trump would have not had a shot against any Dem candidate. Keep drinking that Kool Ade, it will ensure that the Orange Turd gets reelected.

  77. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @MMFlint

    Um, @realDonaldTrump — It’s now noontime in DC & it appears you are still squatting in our Oval Office.
    I gave u til this morning to leave.

  78. STEAMturd, thinking Trump is less of a mysoginist than Bill was. says:

    It backfired during the election season and it will backfire for the Dems going forward. When you lose everything, you would think one would learn something from it. The denial is just too strong among the liberals.

  79. Comrade Nom Deplorable, The G.O.A.T. says:

    ” ProudLiberal says:

    “I’m trying to elevate the level of discourse here and you are bringing it dowwwnnn.”

    Thank you Brother O’Brien.

  80. ProudLiberal says:

    >> Successful billionaire international developer=inexperienced

    Fact. billionaire is inexperienced in running a government.
    Turd is gold = your opinion.

  81. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @SenSanders

    We need an investigation into whether our foreign policy is being conducted in the best interests of America or to protect Russia.

  82. Comrade Nom Deplorable, The G.O.A.T. says:

    Proudlib,

    Take a page from the twitiot’s book (or Alinsky, anon’s is pretty much the crayon version) and simply shout at your opposition. Because while I appreciate the fact that you want to debate actual issues, I have identified a glaring weakness in your approach:

    You suck at it.

    Hope this helps.

  83. ProudLiberal says:

    @Turd:
    >> It backfired during the election season and it will backfire for the Dems going forward. When you lose everything, you would think one would learn something from it. The denial is just too strong among the liberals.

    Nothing backfired. The Russians hacked american dimwits like yourself.

  84. STEAMturd, thinking Trump is less of a mysoginist than Bill was. says:

    Holy Russian card. Did the Soviet Union just launch a second satellite?

  85. ProudLiberal says:

    in other words, DJT cheated.

  86. STEAMturd, thinking Trump is less of a mysoginist than Bill was. says:

    Kool ade!

  87. STEAMturd, thinking Trump is less of a mysoginist than Bill was. says:

    Sore loser too.

  88. ProudLiberal says:

    >> Did the Soviet Union just launch a second satellite?

    Yes, straight into the Turd’s ass.

  89. STEAMturd, thinking Trump is less of a mysoginist than Bill was. says:

    And there you go.

  90. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Expat showing his true level of intelligence in supporting DeVos. She is an embarrassment to every smart individual that was qualified for the job, but passed over for money. What exactly is her purpose for this position if she can’t even answer basic educational questions? Funny part, if your child’s teacher couldn’t answer basic questions on the curriculum, you would flip out, but for some reason here, you support this idiot.

    “I p1ssed off a woman I went to HS with (super Hillary supporter/Trump hater/Ph.D. , tenured college prof) by asserting that all billionaires are pre-vetted and can do any job they want in government, including Betsy DeVos.”

  91. STEAMturd, thinking Trump is less of a mysoginist than Bill was. says:

    That puss y hat is, shall we say, appropriate.

  92. ProudLiberal says:

    >> And there you go.
    try something original.

  93. STEAMturd, thinking Trump is less of a mysoginist than Bill was. says:

    I’ve got four more reviews to write. My time is too valuable to waste on the likes of you Proud Liberal…proud of what?

  94. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Dead on. If these fools took advantage of opportunity, we would not have to babysit them for the rest of their life.

    Being poor doesn’t mean you can’t have class. Being poor doesn’t mean you have to throw garbage all of your neighborhood and live in an apartment that smells like piss and sh!t. Being poor doesn’t mean you go to school and do absolutely shi! with that time.

    When are these people going to take responsibility for themselves instead of blaming anything and everything? Makes me sick to see the amount of money pissed away on the poor. How many opportunities are you going to get? Just always with the hand out, but never contributing to anything.

    Stop making the excuse that you were born poor as the excuse to live your life like this. It’s a disgrace.

    Fast Eddie says:
    February 14, 2017 at 12:29 pm
    Most of them don’t have parents.

    Exactly.

  95. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @ABCPolitics

    .@RepCummings:
    “Flynn was secretly communicating with Russian officials at the same time that Russia was attacking our democracy.”

  96. STEAMturd, thinking Trump is less of a mysoginist than Bill was. says:
  97. Fast Eddie says:

    Yes, straight into the Turd’s ass.

    Is this what you call raising the level of discourse?

  98. Fast Eddie says:

    Steam,

    Bazzinga!

  99. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @danpfeiffer

    If you can’t investigate the National Security Advisor breaking federal law to collude with Russia,
    there is nothing you will investigate

  100. ProudLiberal says:

    >> >> Yes, straight into the Turd’s ass.
    >> Is this what you call raising the level of discourse?

    Did that hurt your feelings?

  101. Fast Eddie says:

    And again, you got smoked. Think! LOL

  102. The Original NJ Ex says:

    LOL. Watch this 26 second clip and substitute “interest rates” for cholesterol.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ytx1P7P4XXk

  103. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    I know that you guys consider Treason another form of political correctness, but in my view Treason is wrong.

    Call me old-fashioned but I 100% pick America over Russia.

    I will never sell out my country over a tax cut. America will always be first in my book, but That’s just me

  104. ProudLiberal says:

    Too Fast for yourself Eddie:

    You are so slick dude. so awesome. bigly awesome. you have big hands too. and you grab your wives by the puz sy. you have yyuuge crowds. Oh wait, that’s the guy you want to be.

  105. The Original NJ Ex says:

    In LA, SanFran, NYC, Seattle and other such places they are still surrounded by endless throngs of agreement, so they think the message is still valid. They don’t even understand that there is a 6 million popular vote lead from just NY and CA that was squandered all over the rest of the country, much less that 84% of all counties voted for Trump. I don’t think that they understand that they are losing voters even in those liberal hotbeds by destroying property in areas where everyone already votes the way those pinheads want you to vote.

    It backfired during the election season and it will backfire for the Dems going forward. When you lose everything, you would think one would learn something from it. The denial is just too strong among the liberals.

  106. STEAMturd, thinking Trump is less of a mysoginist than Bill was. says:

    They didn’t lose. Trump cheated. (Absolute proof of denial)

  107. STEAMturd, thinking Trump is less of a mysoginist than Bill was. says:

    It’s funny. A liberal can make fun of every physical aspect and every mild mispronunciation by Trump. But the second a person uses the word “cankles,” one is immediately labeled a misogynistic women hater. That is equality according to the liberal.

  108. ProudLiberal says:

    I’ll say it again. Trump cheated. He cheated you. He told you stuff you wanted to hear.

  109. yome says:

    Did not he do most of he said during the campaign the first week he was in office?

  110. STEAMturd, thinking Trump is less of a mysoginist than Bill was. says:

    Don’t make me find a Hillary Transcript.

  111. Fast Eddie says:

    He told you stuff you wanted to hear.

    “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.”

    Any questions?

  112. The Original NJ Ex says:

    It wasn’t a ransom payment.

  113. The Original NJ Ex says:

    Race relations have improved under my presidency.

  114. 3b says:

    Proud Russia may be an enemy and Flynn was certainly wrong. But the real enemy is China.

  115. The Original NJ Ex says:

    It’s easier to buy a glock than a book.

  116. The Original NJ Ex says:

    “More young black men languish in prison than attend colleges and universities across America”

  117. The Original NJ Ex says:

    “We signed into law the biggest middle-class tax cut in history”

  118. The Original NJ Ex says:

    “90 percent of the budget deficit is due to George W. Bush’s policies”

  119. Comrade Nom Deplorable, The G.O.A.T. says:

    Seems that Liberal took my advice to stick to name-calling.

    Sorry everyone.

  120. 3b says:

    Nj ex then yelled should just raise rates unexpectedly like they used to do.

  121. The Original NJ Ex says:

    “The day after Benghazi happened, I acknowledged that this was an act of terrorism”

  122. 3b says:

    Now that comrade explained it maybe he was not wrong but sloppy.

  123. 3b says:

    And on another note my new boiler is in!! Last night was brutal! It’s the little things people!!

  124. jcer says:

    ProudLiberal is clearly deranged. Billionaire real estate developer definitely has more government experience than community organizer and Junior Senator. Also comparing a root canal to running the government is a bad comparison, the government is not run by one man, the federal government is a massive bureaucracy which has both effective and very inefficient parts that largely runs independently of the executive branch. Pretty much Bush was a clown, Obama was a clown and now Trump is a clown. Frankly none of the past 3 presidents has been remotely qualified for the job. The whole Trump cheated thing is ridiculous and I view the Trump election not as an endorsement of Trump and his policies but rather a rejection of the policies of the Democrats and Hillary. The Democrats ran a corrupt career politician who is extremely unlikable on a platform that indicated we are on the right track and everything is hunky dory. The angry unemployed/underemployed voter would have voted for Sanders, the DNC couldn’t understand that by not admitting we have shed middle class jobs(office work and manufacturing) through offshoring and trade and the traditional Democrat message of education and training doesn’t seem to be yielding good jobs for people. The DNC and Hillary basically called these folks racist losers and then wonders why they lost the election. The DNC failed with the candidate they picked as well as with the strategy of the incumbent did such a great job lets stay the course. With a better candidate and strategy they could have easily vanquished the crazy haired orange man, I’m still amazed the republicans could displace him(their candidates were very bad). The Democrats underestimated Trump and though they could push their candidate end of story, Trump passes the beer test, HRod doesn’t end of story, no Russian hack or email conspiracy explains it.

  125. The Original NJ Expat says:

    We had the boiler in our building go in March 2004. I think it was 2 full weeks with no heat. Luckily we had a fireplace for during the day and 4 of us (Me, wife, 2 year old daughter, 6 week old daughter) slept in the smaller bedroom (our daughter’s) around a ceramic disk furnace (fancier, safer space heater). The net benefit was great, though. Our newborn started sleeping through the night so we left her in with her sister when the heat went back on and we went back to our own bedroom. Now it’s 13 years later and they still get along great and still share a room (even though we have a spare bedroom now).

  126. The Original NJ Expat says:

    Exactly. Governing Arkansas is like having the experience of being mayor of Montclair.

    Frankly none of the past 3 presidents has been remotely qualified for the job

  127. The Original NJ Expat says:

    This is the true core of the comedy. I’m convinced that any other Democrat would have beaten Trump and any other Republican would have beaten Cankles worse.

    The whole Trump cheated thing is ridiculous and I view the Trump election not as an endorsement of Trump and his policies but rather a rejection of the policies of the Democrats and Hillary.

  128. STEAMturd, thinking Trump is less of a mysoginist than Bill was. says:

    Can’t say that all of us (supposedly) duped posters didn’t see Trump winning as a distinct possibility when the left didn’t even see it a remote possibility. Then again, they’re the elitists and we can’t save ourselves from ourselves.

  129. STEAMturd, thinking Trump is less of a mysoginist than Bill was. says:

    20,501.26

    Happy days are here again!

  130. ProudLiberal says:

    @jcer – where is Putin in your elaborate rant?

  131. ProudLiberal says:

    anyone who thinks Fake news and James Comey had nothing to do with elections is…. ok, no name calling… a moron.

  132. Fast Eddie says:

    ProudLiberal = Essex

  133. 3b says:

    Ex pat. Very nice story. I am happy to have the heat back! I like my basic comforts!! No way I could go 2 weeks now without heat.2 days was enough! My guy did a great job!! Here at 8 15 all done by 3 and an absolute gentleman!!

  134. ProudLiberal says:

    Not sure who has DirectTV, but two weeks before the elections, CNN, MSNBC and FOX news went off-air with a message “Channel unavailable due to technical difficulties”. Called DirectTV Support and they had no answers. Website – no answers. I searched on twitter.. and found a couple of burried tweets (among other fake tweets) that the channels switched to some obscure high 4 digit channel.

    I am not making this shit up.

    The day after the elections, all news was restored to original channel.

    If I was deranged, that would have been a simple explanation to what happened.

  135. 3b says:

    I try to tell the heartbroken so called liberals that this is their fault but they can’t or won’t accept that

  136. ProudLiberal says:

    Too Fast for your self Eddie,

    >> ProudLiberal = Essex

    The country is being run on false equivalencies. One more isn’t going to hurt anyone.

  137. jcer says:

    3b bingo, it has long been my assertion that China is our natural enemy, Russia just wants a seat at the table, the leaderships wants to enrich themselves and the populous just wants to raise their standard of living. China I think has greater designs on power and being number one, they are actively involved in economic and cyber warfare, they are our natural enemy. A Russia US alliance against China prevents world war 3 as no one would be foolish enough to fight Russia and the US, you can ask Germany how that worked in WWII.

  138. Bagholder says:

    “Did not he do most of he said during the campaign the first week he was in office?”

    Yeah, pretty much like Obama kept his promise and closed Guantanamo.

  139. ProudLiberal says:

    At least the liberals can hold their head high that they voted right as the country keeps going down. True north gentlemen. Don’t sell yourself.

  140. 3b says:

    As for Bill Clinton. I think he was much more qualified then Obama. Also was a workaholic. A guy I know retired secret service was on Clinton s detail. Although he did not like him he did say Clinton was a workaholic and the secret service guys liked him. Clinton used to do late night pizzas with them. And according to my friend they all thought Hillary was a miserable you know what! They despised her!!

  141. ProudLiberal says:

    3b, Hillary may have been called whatever ‘cuz she didn’t share a pizza with the boys. But no mistake, she would have run this country wayyy better than the Orange Turd. Any day. Blind folded.

  142. 3b says:

    Jcer I totally agree. Putin wants Russia to be respected. Trying to bring Ukraine into the EU was the last straw. Oh and the USA supported the overthrow of the democratically although corrupt government of Ukraine a few years back. And the government that replaced it is just as corrupt.

  143. ProudLiberal says:

    3b, “Putin wants Russia to be respected”. Seriously? He told you that?
    Now, here’s some real news:
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/14/russian-spy-ship-off-east-coast-us-officials-say.html

  144. 3b says:

    Proud no she was hated because she treated the secret service detail with contempt as well as the hired help in the white house. Sho was universally disliked because she treated the every day people that protected her and took care of her needs etc like crap.

  145. 3b says:

    Proud ex use me in my opinion he does. Spy ship who cares? China is building artificial islands to try and control the south China seas and keep the USA among others out. Some creaky broken down Russian spy ship does not scare me.

  146. ProudLiberal says:

    3b, Have you seen her on the senate floor? Or any other meetings.. she makes sure she connects with every person in the room possible. Granted, she may not be in a bus and talk dirty like the boys, but it’s a false equivalency to compare that with a con man.

    You don’t necessarily want to eat Pizza with your president. You want him/her to have the chops to run a country.

  147. ProudLiberal says:

    >> Some creaky broken down Russian spy ship does not scare me.

    Until they take away whatever is dear to you.

  148. 3b says:

    Proud no I have not but that tells me nothing. That is her public persona of course she will appear to be all warm and fuzzy. Behind closed doors is perhaps another matter. You call yourself a proud liberal your right of course. My problem with so called liberals is their inability to even entertain that they might be wrong and their inability to comprehend that not everyone will agree with them.

  149. 3b says:

    Proud what are they taking away from me? Is this going to be like that 80 s movie red dawn rising where the Russians invade the USA?

  150. No One says:

    I think anyone willing to expend energy seriously promoting Trump or Hillary is confused.
    But the lefties and their spokespeople in the media/celebrity crowd are seriously deranged by their hatred.

    50 years ago when Russia was run by communists that pledged to destroy America, stealing secrets from the US and giving them to Russia was seen by lefties as a heroic act. Now that Russians are merely thugs rather than commie revolutionaries bent on taking over the world, they want to execute Trump and team as if they were the Rosenburgs.

  151. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @resnikoff

    In hindsight, maybe it was a mistake to put a bunch of white nationalist bloggers in charge of the federal government.

  152. Fabius Maximus says:

    “Is this what you call raising the level of discourse?”

    “ic and there’s not a f.ucking thing the p.ussy hats can do about it. You’ll have a meager, unfulfilled, sad, anguished, jaundiced existence up until your death because you truly believed screaming and crying was the key to success.”

    True Greatness!

  153. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Agree, China is the real threat. Bannon is right about his assessment that the west has lost their lead on the east. These Asians (India included) all have their eyes set on becoming number 1. There will never be world peace, way too many power hungry drunks out there. They are just waiting for the U.S. to slip militarily. The idiots crying that we spend more on the military than any other country clearly don’t understand human nature. They just don’t get it at all.

  154. Fabius Maximus says:

    O went to Harvard, learned how the law works.
    T went to Wharton, learned how the lawyers work.

  155. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Ben, saw this funny meme.

    Those that can, teach. Those that can’t, write educational laws.

  156. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @pretareporter

    Burlington Coat Factory Drops the Ivanka Trump Label, Too

  157. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Honestly, war is prob on the horizon. The big boys at the table are all pushing till we push back. Prob inevitable within the next 10 years.

    People took this peaceful era for granted, they forget that the game of empires never ever ends.

  158. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @paulkrugman

    Let’s be clear:

    if Trump were a Democrat,
    hearings on his possible impeachment would start tomorrow

  159. Grim says:

    Russian sailors heard about a good strip club in Brighton Beach – move along.

  160. Grim says:

    Besides – when in the last 30 years has a US warship not been off the coast of another country?

  161. The Great Pumpkin says:

    That’s the problem. Everyone is starting to make moves that they wouldn’t dare do 20 years ago. North Korea supposedly made a big jump in missle tech in their latest launch. They are all making moves ever since America, or should I say, obama took a pacifist approach.

    Grim says:
    February 14, 2017 at 7:33 pm
    Besides – when in the last 30 years has a US warship not been off the coast of another country?

  162. Comrade Nom Deplume, The GOAT says:

    Pumps

    News flash. There have been spy ships and “Bear” flybys forever. There’s a reason it’s suddenly front page news.

  163. Comrade Nom Deplume, The GOAT says:

    Rory,

    Those searches aren’t new. I remember sitting in on sentencing for a guy whose computer was searched and they found kiddie p0rn. In 2005.

    Funny thing is that when I met you, I recalled that you looked a lot like that defendant. But he was s kiwi, not a Brit.

  164. Comrade Nom Deplume, The GOAT says:

    I should elaborate. His computer was searched by customs while he was going through customs checkpoint. Apparently they can do that. And they have been able to do so for quite some time.

  165. Comrade Nom Deplume, The GOAT says:

    Rory

    Lest you forget, there are entire amendments to the constitution that your side has done their best to ignore or nullify.

  166. Comrade Nom Deplume, The GOAT says:

    Puzzy

    You mean like the hearings that your side has been calling for since January 21?

  167. Grim says:

    What no jokes about JJ making a pass at a Russian stripper who just so happened to be Putin’s niece?

  168. Grim says:

    So much tremendous material gone to waste

  169. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Nom, you call all the Russian moves in the past couple years on top of China’s recent island building nothing? Read the writing on the wall, these are moves they would have never attempted 20 years ago. 20 years ago, no chance for war, now I can’t say the same.

  170. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Dan Rather-“Watergate is the biggest political scandal of my lifetime, until maybe now. It was the closest we came to a debilitating Constitutional crisis, until maybe now. On a 10 scale of armageddon for our form of government, I would put Watergate at a 9. This Russia scandal is currently somewhere around a 5 or 6, in my opinion, but it is cascading in intensity seemingly by the hour. And we may look back and see, in the end, that it is at least as big as Watergate. It may become the measure by which all future scandals are judged. It has all the necessary ingredients, and that is chilling.

    When we look back at Watergate, we remember the end of the Nixon Presidency. It came with an avalanche, but for most of the time my fellow reporters and I were chasing down the story as it rumbled along with a low-grade intensity. We never were quite sure how much we would find out about what really happened. In the end, the truth emerged into the light, and President Nixon descended into infamy.

    This Russia story started out with an avalanche and where we go from here no one really knows. Each piece of news demands new questions. We are still less than a month into the Trump Presidency, and many are asking that question made famous by Tennessee Senator Howard Baker those many years ago: “What did the President know, and when did he know it?” New reporting suggests that Mr. Trump knew for weeks. We can all remember the General Michael Flynn’s speech from the Republican National Convention – “Lock her up!” in regards to Hillary Clinton. If Hillary Clinton had done one tenth of what Mr. Flynn had done, she likely would be in jail. And it isn’t just Mr. Flynn, how far does this go?

    The White House has no credibility on this issue. Their spigot of lies – can’t we finally all agree to call them lies – long ago lost them any semblance of credibility. I would also extend that to the Republican Congress, who has excused away the Trump Administration’s assertions for far too long.

    We need an independent investigation. Damn the lies, full throttle forward on the truth. If a scriptwriter had approached Hollywood with what we are witnessing, he or she would probably have been told it was way too far-fetched for even a summer blockbuster. But this is not fiction. It is real and it is serious. Deadly serious. We deserve answers and those who are complicit in this scandal need to feel the full force of justice.”

  171. Fabius Maximus says:

    “Lest you forget, there are entire amendments to the constitution that your side has done their best to ignore or nullify.”

    I’ll paraphrase the comment I made to you back in the day ” If O tries to attempt with the 2nd, what GWB did to the 4th there will be rioting in the streets”

    I think the most disappointing thing here is, just like 8 years ago, there are members of this board, (you included) that gave GWB a pass. “Oh we knew, he was an idiot”.
    Now there is no criticism of T, his agenda or decisions.

    Rome may be burning, the funny part is that those cheering on the death of the Republic are all wearing “Make America Great Again” hats.

  172. Comrade Nom Deplume, The GOAT says:

    Rory

    As usual, you see what you want to see

  173. Fabius Maximus says:

    “Those searches aren’t new. ”

    An interesting topic, and I remember those conversations from back in the early days. As I recall, I was willing to give up some rights in the interests of National Security and you were touting the Greatness of America and wrapping yourself up in the warmth of the Constitution.

    My view is just like Gun Control. I want sensible measures, but when it gets too Draconian, I draw the line. Yes, as I have said, I am Pro Gun Control, but NJ has gone too far.

    Device security has come a long way since 2006. I have read some of the decisions. That Pesky 9th circuit ruled that the laptop is no different from a car. While you can search me (legally) for car keys, asking me to give up pass codes, I’ll take the 5th.

    So, I’ll quite happily leave my device at the airport and if my company decide to brick it, that will be down to them.

  174. Fabius Maximus says:

    “As usual, you see what you want to see”

    Yes, I know what I see, and the view hasn’t changed in 10 years to show me any different.

  175. Fabius Maximus says:

    One thing that has not really been touched on is SCOTUS. While the nomination rolls on so does the court. I have always held the view that the most important and influential person in the US, is not actually the President, but the Chief Justice. He wields the ultimate power as he controls the docket.
    So where will Roberts go? I think he is still mindful of his Legacy. I think he showed with the OCare vote that he is not a given right wing vote. I think any appeal of the current ban will go down in flames with or without a ninth Judge. It will be interesting to watch how Roberts handles the next few years.

  176. Fabius Maximus says:

    Yea, more Nigerian Oil Investments! That will make us great again.

    http://www.vox.com/2017/2/14/14617312/trump-transparency-oil

  177. Essex says:

    10:56 am – you know what else ‘you’ got?? A low IQ and early onset demensia-

  178. Essex says:

    Trump experience VS. Obama experience. Time will tell on this one. Can government be run like a business? We shall see. At this early juncture I am worried that he is not as “intelligent” as he would have led the rubes who voted for him. Do I wish Hillary would have won? Not really, but Trump is a loose f’ing cannon. He is a risk at this point and if he isn’t careful someone in the Company will put two in his head some day.

  179. Essex says:

    I’ll …just leave this here….

    Aides working on President Trump’s campaign had repeated contact with senior Russian intelligence officials leading up to the election, according to a new report Tuesday.

    The FBI and U.S. intelligence agencies are poring over a trove of phone records and intercepted calls linking Trump’s campaign, according to the New York Times.

    The report backs up a claim by Sergei Ryabkov, the deputy Russian foreign minister, who told The Times in November that “there were contacts” during the campaign between Russian officials and Trump’s inner circle.

  180. PumpkinFace says:

    Fabius,
    I’ll paraphrase the comment I made to you back in the day ” If O tries to attempt with the 2nd, what GWB did to the 4th there will be rioting in the streets”

    Maybe you should have taken your advice then (and now).

    Fabius Maximus says:
    January 30, 2017 at 8:39 pm
    Gary, should that be Hillary.
    I think you need to let O go, his term is over.

  181. Grim says:

    Seems one of Trumps biggest mistakes is not hiring Christie.

  182. Essex says:

    Trump’s biggest mistake? Being Trump.

  183. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @MMFlint

    We demand that the weak & spineless Democrats bring Congress 2 a halt

    until investigative hearings are held

    & impeachment charges are filed.

  184. Essex says:

    …and his Twitter account suspended…..!

  185. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    June 4, 2014

    @realDonaldTrump
    Are you allowed to impeach a president for gross incompetence?

  186. The Original NJ Expat says:

    …or sending $1.5 Billion in cash to terrorists? Lock him up, lock him up! “Sir, I’m going to need you to put down the surf board.”

    Are you allowed to impeach a president for gross incompetence?

  187. The Original NJ Expat says:

    Good point. He would have made a girthier sacrificial lamb.

    Seems one of Trumps biggest mistakes is not hiring Christie.

  188. The Original NJ Expat says:

    BTW, not reported at all, but does anyone think the Russian acts of passive aggression over the last couple days are more in protest of US intelligence leaking to the press that they have Russian calls recorded, insinuating that the Russkies are too stupid to know they are being monitored?

  189. Steamy Cankles Foundation says:

    Looks like Trump certainly did Christie a huge favor though. So when does CC get indicted for Bridgegate? Before or after Gitmo closes?

  190. yome says:

    Consumer Price index is above the 2% YOY Inflation target.

  191. The Original NJ Expat says:

    Does anybody realize that every recession is immediately preceded by a Fed rate rising cycle? Bull markets don’t die a natural death, the Fed kills them all.

    Consumer Price index is above the 2% YOY Inflation target.

  192. yome says:

    Empire State Manufacturing Consensus 7.5 Actual 18.7

    Retail Sales inline with Consumer Confidence

    MBA Mortgage application – Negative W/W

  193. chicagofinance says:

    correlation is not causation……

    The Original NJ Expat says:
    February 15, 2017 at 9:11 am
    Does anybody realize that every recession is immediately preceded by a Fed rate rising cycle? Bull markets don’t die a natural death, the Fed kills them all.

    Consumer Price index is above the 2% YOY Inflation target.

  194. chicagofinance says:

    It is a three way race between your arrogance, cluelessness, and pure narcissism…..

    Fabius Maximus says:
    February 14, 2017 at 9:53 pm
    One thing that has not really been touched on is SCOTUS. While the nomination rolls on so does the court. I have always held the view that the most important and influential person in the US, is not actually the President, but the Chief Justice. He wields the ultimate power as he controls the docket.
    So where will Roberts go? I think he is still mindful of his Legacy. I think he showed with the OCare vote that he is not a given right wing vote. I think any appeal of the current ban will go down in flames with or without a ninth Judge. It will be interesting to watch how Roberts handles the next few years.

  195. chicagofinance says:

    FlabMax is by far the most dishonest poster here…..certainly bordering on trolling……his Majesty O was blaming W well into year 5….I think even some comments in year 6.

    PumpkinFace says:
    February 15, 2017 at 12:29 am
    Fabius,
    I’ll paraphrase the comment I made to you back in the day ” If O tries to attempt with the 2nd, what GWB did to the 4th there will be rioting in the streets”

    Maybe you should have taken your advice then (and now).

    Fabius Maximus says:
    January 30, 2017 at 8:39 pm
    Gary, should that be Hillary.
    I think you need to let O go, his term is over.

  196. 3b says:

    Chgo: I really don’t understand why fab remains in this country. I think he would be happier back in England.

  197. The Original NJ Expat says:

    SFH Rental update – It’s pretty good. We’re now acclimated to the lower interior temperatures (We were used to 78 degrees – steam heat). 20 years ago we had an expensive SFH in Centerport, Long Island and it was just an extravagance. We didn’t have any kids, we had 4 cars, our cat had it’s own full bathroom with litter box in the stall shower, my office was the living room. This time it feels right. Lounging in the family room, upstairs washer and dryer, mud room steps from the driveway. Teenage kids can finally get away from us upstairs, guest room for the MIL, 3 of us can call “first” to the bathroom after a long weekend trip. I think I’ll buy one after the next crash.

  198. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Now do you understand the benefits of raising a family in a single family home? Can we agree the suburbs are not dead?

    The Original NJ Expat says:
    February 15, 2017 at 9:26 am
    SFH Rental update – It’s pretty good. We’re now acclimated to the lower interior temperatures (We were used to 78 degrees – steam heat). 20 years ago we had an expensive SFH in Centerport, Long Island and it was just an extravagance. We didn’t have any kids, we had 4 cars, our cat had it’s own full bathroom with litter box in the stall shower, my office was the living room. This time it feels right. Lounging in the family room, upstairs washer and dryer, mud room steps from the driveway. Teenage kids can finally get away from us upstairs, guest room for the MIL, 3 of us can call “first” to the bathroom after a long weekend trip. I think I’ll buy one after the next crash.

  199. The Original NJ Expat says:

    and vice versa?

    correlation is not causation……

  200. The Original NJ Expat says:

    I still live in Boston, dickweed.

    Now do you understand the benefits of raising a family in a single family home? Can we agree the suburbs are not dead?

  201. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You hate when I’m right.

    The Original NJ Expat says:
    February 15, 2017 at 9:39 am
    I still live in Boston, dickweed.

  202. jcer says:

    3b, do you think Britain wants him back?

  203. The Original NJ Expat says:

    I’ll let you know how I feel about that if it ever occurs, Mr. King of Passaic County, the best place to live when you can’t afford New York.

    You hate when I’m right.

  204. jcer says:

    Pumpkin the suburbs make sense for a few reasons. Cost of space in a city, families need space, that is crazy expensive in cities. Difficulty of moving around in the suburbs the car is attached to the house, the kid goes into the car and goes to wherever you need to go, vs the city where you are walking with all of their stuff in tow to wherever you need to go or to your car if you have one and if you are going anywhere else in a city by car there is the issue of parking wherever you are going. For a childless person walking around and taking the subway or a bus is an option, with children it is a pain, what used to take 5 minutes now takes 20-30 minutes to get out the door. For families it is the most prudent option, I think the further out suburbs and places that are more rural in nature are becoming less popular as people want more convenience.

  205. Ben says:

    The bull market of Bush 2 would have ended without fed raising rates. Low rates prolong growth but malinvestment on artificial rates ultimately fails.

  206. Phoenix says:

    Pumps ,
    SFH are nice. What would be helpful is if they could be built in the 1000 sq ft size for widowers ,divorcees, etc. No one builds houses this size anymore. 2k minimum.
    Condos are the answer for that. They are not the same thing..

  207. The Original NJ Expat says:

    jcer – Raising kids in the city takes some effort and exercise, but it is not un-doable, and it is surprisingly cost efficient. Our kids have only known Boston as home and at 13 and 15 they can now get anywhere they need to be by themselves. Boston Latin gives all kids who live more than a certain distance from school (1.5 or 2 miles?) a “One Pass” and that’s how they get to school and travel around the city, using public transit and commuter rail. They both started school at 3 years old (Public School!) 1 mile from our home with door-to-door bus service and a 7:30AM to 5PM “surround care”, all absolutely free. Boston also subsidizes property taxes for all homeowners who occupy their residences to where our property taxes never exceeded $2,000 per year, and that’s for a property that’s now worth $430,000. Having grown up as a kid in the suburbs, there is no value as great as growing up in a city like Boston. We now live in West Roxbury, which is part of Boston, but it looks a lot like Ridgewood, NJ. Our kids still go to school via public transit (bus stop half a block away) and we have all of the conveniences of both city and suburb. I expect we’ll live here a short number of years and then move back closer to the center of the city.

  208. Steamy Cankles Foundation says:

    BTW, I upgraded my redbull seats to 3 downstairs from 4 upstairs which officially makes me a red member. If anyone needs early ticket access to any events at Red Bull Arena (such as international friendly matches which I don’t waste my time with) or tickets to our derby matches which sell out quickly, please let me know.

  209. Essex says:

    9:03 when do we admit that antagonizing the US Intelligence community is a terrible idea.

  210. Essex says:

    See Bobby Kennedy for an example…

  211. Steamy Cankles Foundation says:

    Well…if you want to read into it, perhaps the US intelligence community shouldn’t have leaked the fake news golden shower dossier. Just saying.

  212. The Original NJ Expat says:

    Phoenix – Our next door neighbor is an elderly woman and her house is under 1093 square feet according to Zillow. Our rental used to be the same size but it was blown out to 1900 square feet. Most of the houses in our neighborhood were built in the 1930’s when they actually did build small houses like you mentioned. BTW, Steamy helped me get my 1983 snow blower (came with the house) running so I payed it forward by clearing our neighbor’s sidewalk and driveway after the two storms we had this past weekend.

    Pumps ,
    SFH are nice. What would be helpful is if they could be built in the 1000 sq ft size for widowers ,divorcees, etc. No one builds houses this size anymore. 2k minimum.

  213. 30 year realtor says:

    Ex Pat, Enjoying those government services? Kind of like all those people who hate Obama care but want all the benefits that they stand to lose if it is repealed.

  214. The Original NJ Expat says:

    There’s no way Yellen doesn’t wear a diaper while she’s testifying in front of Congress, right?

  215. Tywin says:

    Dan Rather is the Fake News “journalist” who tried to bring down George W Bush with fake National Guard documents. Bannon was correct, the “mainstream” media are the opposition, an extension of the DNC.

  216. The Original NJ Expat says:

    30 year – The services we absorb in Boston compared to the tiny bit of taxes we pay in has never escaped my view. But, as you know, the key word is “ratables”. Boston does not operate at a deficit.

    Ex Pat, Enjoying those government services? Kind of like all those people who hate Obama care but want all the benefits that they stand to lose if it is repealed.

  217. The Original NJ Expat says:

    I think I’ve gone on record here that if you doubled my property taxes I would not complain. How many NJ RE occupiers would agree? I know on which side my bread is buttered.

  218. The Original NJ Expat says:

    When we bought our place in 2002 and found out about the RE tax subsidy our taxes netted out to $800. I excitedly told my wife that when we paid the place off that our cable bill would be more than our taxes.

  219. The Original NJ Expat says:

    I “kind of” agree. Maybe the true lesson is that Fed tightening and rising oil prices are the red flags we should all be looking out for?

    The bull market of Bush 2 would have ended without fed raising rates. Low rates prolong growth but malinvestment on artificial rates ultimately fails.

  220. The Original NJ Expat says:

    I mentioned this the other day
    1. Media is the opposition arm.
    2. Democrat seatholders are the obstruction arm.
    3. Demonstrators (thugs) are the violence arm.

    Apparently the thugs are Obama-backed.
    https://www.ofa.us/

    Dan Rather is the Fake News “journalist” who tried to bring down George W Bush with fake National Guard documents. Bannon was correct, the “mainstream” media are the opposition, an extension of the DNC.

  221. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Comical. Just like he stated suburbs are dead, but now living in a sfh with a yard.

    30 year realtor says:
    February 15, 2017 at 10:27 am
    Ex Pat, Enjoying those government services? Kind of like all those people who hate Obama care but want all the benefits that they stand to lose if it is repealed.

  222. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Based on the past couple months, fake news is a term used when the media puts out something you/or your team don’t agree with (this goes for both sides). Fake news movement is complete joke.

    Tywin says:
    February 15, 2017 at 10:35 am
    Dan Rather is the Fake News “journalist” who tried to bring down George W Bush with fake National Guard documents. Bannon was correct, the “mainstream” media are the opposition, an extension of the DNC.

  223. jcer says:

    Ex Pat that is not the reality in NYC or Hoboken or Jersey City. First forget about public school in the cities around here, pretty much every city dweller I know in NYC metro is sending their kids to private school. So add in the private school the fact that 1000 sqft is absolute minimum 500k so a 3 bedroom is minimum 1 m and that’s not in Manhattan plus maintenance, the cost to own a car is ridiculous, you still have property tax(or city tax in NYC). So to live in the outer boros, Hoboken or JC in a 1600 sqft apartment probably costs 100k per year plus the private school tuition. In this area the costs make living in a city prohibitive and I was more complaining about having a small child in a city as walking is very common and carrying a 30 lb child(and all of their stuff) or manipulating a stroller isn’t fun and forget about bad weather. I tried to stay in Jersey City but will be closing on a home in the burbs today, I couldn’t find a bigger(a 3 bedroom 1600-1800 sq ft or so) apartment for less than 1.5m, I’m getting over 5000 sq ft with 5 bedrooms for under a million NJ transit can get me to NYP or Hoboken in about 35 min(if it is running), so by commuting an additional 20 or so minutes each way daily I get a huge house, land, garage, no crime, public schools, ridiculous property taxes, etc. In NYC metro the housing market is such that it is all expensive and far from ideal but the closer in you get the more cost prohibitive it gets, only people rolling the dice on marginal neighborhoods really can make it work from a cost efficiency perspective.

  224. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yes, rich suburbs always have to support cities. It’s complete bs. You are no different than the jersey city and hoboken individuals getting your cost of living taxes subsidized by someone else.

    The Original NJ Expat says:
    February 15, 2017 at 10:41 am
    I think I’ve gone on record here that if you doubled my property taxes I would not complain. How many NJ RE occupiers would agree? I know on which side my bread is buttered.

  225. The Original NJ Expat says:

    jcer – You are exactly right, NYC is a much higher hurdle to clear than Boston if you want to live in the city. You do need millions, not just mid 6 figures.

    Pumps – You are a bozo.

  226. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Jcer, he just got his kids into the local magnet public school. Same thing is provided in nyc, hoboken, or jersey city. If you can’t get your kid in, you have to pay out the a$$ for it.

    It’s funny, people have a problem with a public school system that charges 20,000 a student (very good value). If you compare the cost to private schools, what the hell is there to complain about the cost? Doing a damn good job holding price down compared to private schools. I don’t know anywhere that can do it for 10,000 or even 15,000 a year and offer all these sport programs, gifted and talented programs, ap programs, and a bunch of electives. Just not possible to offer all these services at the cost people think it should be.

    jcer says:
    February 15, 2017 at 11:05 am

  227. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @kimmelman

    Public still deserves to know why Comey chose to reveal Anthony Weiner’s tweets before election day but not Trump-Russia investigation.

  228. Juice Box says:

    jcer – re:” will be closing on a home in the burbs today”

    congrats bagholder what county did you pick to put down your suburban roots?

  229. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @paulkrugman

    I keep seeing people ask whether we’re in a constitutional crisis.

    Not yet.

    But we’re deep into a *legitimacy* crisis.

    Think about it

  230. Fast Eddie says:

    Public still deserves to know why Comey chose to reveal Anthony Weiner’s tweets before election day but not Trump-Russia investigation.

    That’s coming up. First, we’re going to go through these 30,000 emails we just found.

  231. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @paulkrugman

    So how does this man send Americans to die,
    get to pick the Supreme Court for decades to come?

    Our whole system is now tainted

  232. The Original NJ Expat says:

    Pulled out of your ass, just like all your “cycles” and “demographics” RE research. Care to document your claim, dumbf.uck?

    It’s funny, people have a problem with a public school system that charges 20,000 a student (very good value).

  233. jcer says:

    pumps I know all about it, not enough spaces, in Jersey City having a high income and being white makes it harder to get a spot, they usually take into consideration if the student is disadvantaged or a minority, which is honestly fair enough. Trying to get a spot at mcnair or LCCS of elementary school is like finding a unicorn. We tried to get my kid into a cheaper(17k for full day) private school for Pre-K and are on the wait list for the wait list.

  234. jcer says:

    Essex county, me and my wife both work in JC so it is the shortest commute. The only issue will be the number of rabid liberals, which don’t get me wrong we have mostly liberal friends but since Trump has won the election people have really become unhinged.

  235. Steamy Cankles Foundation says:

    “But we’re deep into a *legitimacy* crisis.” Give that genius another Nobel. Can’t wait for Trump to get his. :P

  236. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yes, I just make everything up according to you. So annoying, always trying to make me look like I talk out of my a$$.

    “TRENTON — New Jersey’s school districts spent an average of $19,652 per student last year, a 2.2 percent increase from 2013-14, according to new state data.Apr 7, 2016”

    The Original NJ Expat says:
    February 15, 2017 at 11:21 am
    Pulled out of your ass, just like all your “cycles” and “demographics” RE research. Care to document your claim, dumbf.uck?

  237. The Great Pumpkin says:

    My neighbor works in JC too. Used to be the city, but he was able to find something in JC.

    jcer says:
    February 15, 2017 at 11:25 am
    Essex county, me and my wife both work in JC so it is the shortest commute. The only issue will be the number of rabid liberals, which don’t get me wrong we have mostly liberal friends but since Trump has won the election people have really become unhinged.

  238. 3b says:

    New furnace is incredibly efficient. 68 feels a lot hotter with this furnace! And you can bearly hear it!!

  239. ProudLiberal says:

    3b >> 68 feels a lot hotter with this furnace!

    So, 68 deg with one furnace is “a lot hotter” than 68 deg with another furnace?
    Do you hear yourself talk?

  240. jcer says:

    There is a big finance footprint in JC with most major firms having a location, I was in Jersey then in NYC and now back in Jersey.

  241. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Know many people that did the same thing.

    Congrats on the purchase and best of luck. Hope lots of great memories are made.

    jcer says:
    February 15, 2017 at 11:41 am
    There is a big finance footprint in JC with most major firms having a location, I was in Jersey then in NYC and now back in Jers

  242. The Original NJ Expat says:

    Thank you for admitting to your propagation of a lie. Maybe there is hope for you, but I kind of doubt it.

    Yes, I just make everything up according to you. So annoying, always trying to make me look like I talk out of my a$$.

    “TRENTON — New Jersey’s school districts spent an average of $19,652 per student last year, a 2.2 percent increase from 2013-14, according to new state data.Apr 7, 2016”

  243. The Original NJ Expat says:

    Liberals don’t understand math or physics, but this one seems to be mimicking some sort of understanding of numbers? We need to keep observing him or her.

    ProudLiberal says:
    February 15, 2017 at 11:40 am
    3b >> 68 feels a lot hotter with this furnace!

    So, 68 deg with one furnace is “a lot hotter” than 68 deg with another furnace?
    Do you hear yourself talk?

  244. The Original NJ Expat says:

    Rutgers, 1977-1983 – Best puzzy grabbing years ever.

  245. 3b says:

    Proud: jeez! Calm down! It was just a comment or observation. Since its brand new perhaps it’s simply working better as n more efficient. You proud liberals are a really unhappy bunch!

  246. The Original NJ Expat says:

    (Polish Girlfriend)

  247. Steamy Cankles Foundation says:

    3b, don’t fret. Liberal cheerleaders can’t think for themselves and definitely can’t reason. Though, it keeps them ripe for manipulation.

  248. chicagofinance says:

    City Master Planning (jj Edition):

    Officials want to make Dick Street longer

    By Natalie Musumeci February 15, 2017 | 12:11pm

    Officials in a New Jersey city want to lengthen a tiny roadway called Dick Street — but some residents feel they’re getting the shaft.

    Those in Clifton backing the one-block shift from Ellsworth Street to Dick claim it will make it easier for emergency responders to find the roadway, WNBC reported.

    As it stands, Ellsworth is not contiguous, as it stretches about two blocks, and then continues for one smaller block after crossing Katherine Avenue.

    Dick Street is now just two blocks long, between Howard and Van Houten avenues. The city wants Dick to stretch an extra block to make everything less confusing.

    But the proposal has gotten a rise out of residents.

    “People laugh when they think of Dick Street,” Ellsworth Street resident Kenneth Roman told the network. “It’s not exactly a good name for a street. They can name it anything they want except for Dick Street.”

    Added neighbor Anil Rana: “I don’t like it. It’s a change of address and I don’t like the name.”

    But at least one potential Dick Street resident said the phallic sounding name isn’t so bad.

    “I know people who are named Dick, or their name is Richard and they’re called Dick,” John Sedlak told the network.

    City council officials will vote on the name change next Tuesday.

  249. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @paulkrugman
    And not even a hint of what such plans might look like.
    Malevolence tempered by incompetence, at every level

    @John_Harwood
    things we have not seen from Trump White House one month in:
    Obamacare repeal/replace plan,
    infrastructure plan,
    tax reform plan

  250. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    whoever can’t afford 20,000 in taxes should move to the south.

    south is tax free, great weather, republican, non-PC

    get out of NJ! it’s too crowded, too much traffic

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    February 15, 2017 at 11:13 am
    Jcer, he just got his kids into the local magnet public school. Same thing is provided in nyc, hoboken, or jersey city. If you can’t get your kid in, you have to pay out the a$$ for it.

    It’s funny, people have a problem with a public school system that charges 20,000 a student (very good value). If you compare the cost to private schools, what the hell is there to complain about the cost? Doing a damn good job holding price down compared to private schools. I don’t know anywhere that can do it for 10,000 or even 15,000 a year and offer all these sport programs, gifted and talented programs, ap programs, and a bunch of electives. Just not possible to offer all these services at the cost people think it should be.

  251. Comrade Nom Deplume, The GOAT says:

    Rory,

    Like I said, I’m not trying to convince you …..

    As for your comment regarding the Chief Justice, I tend to agree.

    Going deep into the salt mine for a week or so, so you all fight amongst yourselves. McDulard, I owe you a phone call soon

  252. D-FENS says:

    So, Poor minorities and immigrants should move? How racist of you sir!

    Grab them by the puzzy says:
    February 15, 2017 at 1:16 pm
    whoever can’t afford 20,000 in taxes should move to the south.

    south is tax free, great weather, republican, non-PC

    get out of NJ! it’s too crowded, too much traffic

  253. D-FENS says:

    We’ve also not seen a confirmation of his cabinet picks…

    The Democrats are the party of No.

    @John_Harwood
    things we have not seen from Trump White House one month in:
    Obamacare repeal/replace plan,
    infrastructure plan,
    tax reform plan

  254. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I like that.

    I’m going to start bashing jersey in the hopes people pick up and leave, which will result in lower prices and better services for the rest of us.

    Go where the weather is warm, the taxes are low, and everyone is happy. Go south people. It’s the place to be! Leave this crappy state.

    Grab them by the puzzy says:
    February 15, 2017 at 1:16 pm
    whoever can’t afford 20,000 in taxes should move to the south.

    south is tax free, great weather, republican, non-PC

    get out of NJ! it’s too crowded, too much traffic

  255. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    minorities and immigrants are strong supporters of public education

    it’s only the extre right wing Treasonous crowd that tries to destroy it

    D-FENS says:
    February 15, 2017 at 1:23 pm
    So, Poor minorities and immigrants should move? How racist of you sir!

    Grab them by the puzzy says:
    February 15, 2017 at 1:16 pm
    whoever can’t afford 20,000 in taxes should move to the south.

    south is tax free, great weather, republican, non-PC

    get out of NJ! it’s too crowded, too much traffic

  256. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    Your kids will learn Russian for free in the south!

  257. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “Economists are increasingly turning their attention to the problem of monopoly. This doesn’t mean literal monopoly, like when one utility company provides all the power in a city. It refers to market concentration in general — when an industry goes from having 20 players to having only 10, or when the four biggest companies in an industry start taking a bigger and bigger share of sales. This sort of creeping oligopoly acts much like a literal monopoly — it raises prices, limits market size and tends to make the economy less efficient.

    There’s now evidence that market concentration could also be hurting workers, by decreasing the share of national income that they receive. It’s probably making inequality worse. I also suspect that creeping monopoly will prove to be one of the main reasons for decreasing business dynamism. And it could even be a contributor to slow productivity growth. In other words, many of the diseases in our economy can probably be traced, at least in part, to the problem of market concentration. And it’s getting worse:”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-02-15/monopolies-are-worse-than-we-thought

  258. Essex says:

    It’s not only Liberals concerned about our new Commander in Chief:

    “Three weeks into the Trump administration, council staff members get up in the morning, read President Trump’s Twitter posts and struggle to make policy to fit them. Most are kept in the dark about what Mr. Trump tells foreign leaders in his phone calls. Some staff members have turned to encrypted communications to talk with their colleagues, after hearing that Mr. Trump’s top advisers are considering an ‘insider threat’ program that could result in monitoring cellphones and emails for leaks.”

    When asked later about his comments, Thomas told The Times: “As a commander, I’m concerned our government be as stable as possible.”

    It’s rather uncharacteristic for a top active-duty military officer to offer such public critiques.

  259. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “If technology is behind the increase in monopoly power, it’s going to be a tough problem to solve. The old remedies of antitrust enforcement and increased competition won’t work — the superstars will win and take most of the market, and it will be back to square one. Meeting the challenge of tech-powered monopoly would require radically new policy ideas. I don’t have an answer yet, but economists should start thinking about this.”

  260. Essex says:

    Taxes in SoCal on a $750k property……$3,000 typically. Depending upon how old the place is. If that isn’t ‘reason enough to leave’ I don’t know what is.

  261. Essex says:

    The New Mantra?? Fence me in:

    The U.S. military plans to take over America by 2030.

    No, this is not another conspiracy theory. Although it easily could be.

    Nor is it a Hollywood political thriller in the vein of John Frankenheimer’s 1964 political thriller Seven Days in May about a military coup d’etat.

    Although it certainly has all the makings of a good thriller.

    No, this is the real deal, coming at us straight from the horse’s mouth.

    According to “Megacities: Urban Future, the Emerging Complexity,” a Pentagon training video created by the Army for U.S. Special Operations Command, the U.S. military plans to use armed forces to solve future domestic political and social problems.

    What they’re really talking about is martial law, packaged as a well-meaning and overriding concern for the nation’s security.

    The chilling five-minute training video, obtained by The Intercept through a FOIA request and made available online, paints an ominous picture of the future—a future the military is preparing for—bedeviled by “criminal networks,” “substandard infrastructure,” “religious and ethnic tensions,” “impoverishment, slums,” “open landfills, over-burdened sewers,” a “growing mass of unemployed,” and an urban landscape in which the prosperous economic elite must be protected from the impoverishment of the have nots.

  262. D-FENS says:

    If you can’t afford $20K in property taxes….then move to the south! SoCal…that is.

  263. The Original NJ Expat says:

    Pumpkin has a puzzy.

  264. Essex says:

    2:08…Can’t….Won’t….either way….It’s Blue Ribbony gooooood!

  265. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You end up paying for it in other ways.

    I’m jealous, if I could find a job and afford living out there, I would be there in a second. Just have to live along the coast, you would be surprised how much the weather changes as you move away from the coast. Along the coast, I have no idea how these people go to work. Beautiful every single day. Love it.

    My wife and I traveled the entire west coast by jeep from top to bottom. We did it in two separate trips. The entire coast is awesome in any of those states. Obviously, Sf and southern cali locations are tops, but entire coast is beautiful.

    Highly recommend the vacation. Everyone should do it once in their life.

    Essex says:
    February 15, 2017 at 1:44 pm
    Taxes in SoCal on a $750k property……$3,000 typically. Depending upon how old the place is. If that isn’t ‘reason enough to leave’ I don’t know what is.

  266. Essex says:

    2:08 — The Dirty South! As the kids say….

  267. Tywin says:

    Pumpkin, fake news is fake news.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-ousts-4-for-bush-guard-story-10-01-2005

    In 2004 Dan Rather ran with an anti-Bush story using obviously fake “documents” allegedly created on a National Guard typewriter in the 1960s, and he was immediately outed as a partisan hack moron by people who easily recreated the “documents” with identical letter spacing and superscript placement using Microsoft Word on a Mac.

    Rather was then fired from CBS News.

  268. Essex says:

    Over the mountain
    Down in the valley
    Lives a former talk-show host
    Everybody knows his name
    He says there’s no doubt about it
    It was the myth of fingerprints
    I’ve seen them all and man
    They’re all the same
    Well, the sun gets weary
    And the sun goes down

  269. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I have to correct something before expat comes up with some story that I’m making it all up……It’s not nice all year round, watch out for “June gloom” and “May grey” in southern cali.

  270. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Fair enough. But you really think he would pump out another fake news story after ruining his life? He is working hard to fix his mistakes of the past. I don’t respect him, but nothing he stated in the post from yesterday was false. It might be opinion based, but nothing was false.

    Tywin says:
    February 15, 2017 at 2:13 pm
    Pumpkin, fake news is fake news.

  271. Fast Eddie says:

    minorities and immigrants are strong supporters of public education

    That’s because they don’t have to pay for it.

  272. Essex says:

    2:55 Hey betcha you’d take those precious gubmint dollers and help pay for your Katholic Edukation, wouldn’t you??

  273. Essex says:

    2:15 I’ll also be on the Alert for the dreaded “oh crap the waves are too big today” – itis.

  274. Fabius Maximus says:

    ““Lest you forget, there are entire amendments to the constitution that your side has done their best to ignore or nullify.””

    Lets try it another way. What amendments have the left ignored/nullified, to the same extent the right took apart the 4th?

    “As for your comment regarding the Chief Justice, I tend to agree.”

    Is that a three way race between your arrogance, cluelessness, or your pure narcissism? Asking for a friend?

    Careful,

  275. PumpkinFace says:

    Essex,
    https://www.boe.ca.gov/proptaxes/faqs/changeinownership.htm#2

    How does a change in ownership affect property taxes?
    Each county assessor’s office reviews all recorded deeds for that county to determine which properties require reappraisal under the law. The county assessors may also discover changes in ownership through other means, such as taxpayer self-reporting, field inspections, review of building permits and newspapers. Once the county assessor has determined that a change in ownership has occurred, Proposition 13 requires the county assessor to reassess the property to its current fair market value as of the date ownership changed.

    Since property taxes are based on the assessed value of a property at the time of acquisition, a current market value that is higher than the previously assessed Proposition 13 adjusted base year value will increase the property taxes. Conversely, if the current market value is lower than the previously assessed Proposition 13 adjusted base year value, then the property taxes on that property will decrease.

  276. Tywin says:

    Well, Dan Rather is teaching a “Truth In News” course, so there’s no shame or honor among his ilk.

    If you want to see excellent journalism today, look into “Tucker Carlson Tonight” and Tucker isn’t even a journalist, yet he puts most to shame. Many of his video clips are out there on you tube, or below.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/02/15/tucker_carlson_roasts_washington_posts_erik_wemple_i_see_you_as_a_political_hack.html

  277. Fast Eddie says:

    Hey betcha you’d take those precious gubmint dollers and help pay for your Katholic Edukation, wouldn’t you??

    They’d be wise to do it as it would cut the education budget in half. Although, the bloated f.ucks would find twice as many ways to squander it.

  278. The Original NJ Expat says:

    Pumpkin’s got a puzzy
    She wears on her chest
    And when daddy comes home
    He never gets no rest
    ‘Cause she’s playing all night
    And the music’s all right
    Pumpkin’s got a puzzy
    Daddy never sleeps at night
    Well the kids don’t eat
    And the dog can’t sleep
    There’s no escape from the music
    In the whole damn street (50 mph)
    ‘Cause she’s playing all night
    And the music’s all right
    Pumpkin’s got a puzzy
    Daddy never sleeps at night
    She goes in and out and in
    And out and in and out and in and out
    She’s playing all night
    And the music’s all right
    Pumpkin’s got a puzzy
    Daddy never sleeps at night

  279. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Damn right, Tucker is not a journalist. He’s an actor that throws out accusations and doesn’t give a chance for the individual to defend themselves. He puts on a stupid face after every accusation that plays right into his audience. I have a few friends that live and die by his every word, and it’s quite sad. I tell them to not watch that garbage, but stupid is as stupid does.

    Tywin says:
    February 15, 2017 at 3:28 pm
    Well, Dan Rather is teaching a “Truth In News” course, so there’s no shame or honor among his ilk.

    If you want to see excellent journalism today, look into “Tucker Carlson Tonight” and Tucker isn’t even a journalist, yet he puts most to shame. Many of his video clips are out there on you tube, or below.

  280. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @SenSchumer

    Andrew Puzder’s withdrawal as Labor Secretary is a victory for the American worker.

    Puzder should never have even been nominated.

  281. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @BernieSanders

    We need a Labor Secretary who will stand up for workers,
    raising the minimum wage & pay equity for women.

    Mr. Puzder was not that candidate.

  282. Steamturd thinking about the remains of Hillary's umbilical stump says:

    How are Dems ever going to get their power back if all of their voters jump off bridges before the mid term elections?

  283. Tywin says:

    Well, that’s simply false. On his show Carlson consistently gives people 50% of the segment time to respond. No guest that I’ve seen can leave his show claiming they were unable to state their case. Tucker is biased (as I said, he’s not a journalist) but his questions and debate are phenomenal.

    An information consumer does a great disservice to themselves by not observing people such as Tucker Carlson or Rush Limbaugh on a regular basis. That’s why it was no surprise when Trump won the election, only those locked into the CNN/NY Times “news” bubble were stunned.

    It’s useful to actually understand the concerns of people with different viewpoints (liberals, conservatives, centrists). When you regularly consume varying information sources, you can easily spot “journalists” who emphasize some facts, those who omit some facts, or those who simply fabricate Fake News (Dan Rather, “hands up don’t shoot,” etc.).

    Also, consider this: Clinton staffer George Stephanopoulos was named Chief Washington Correspondent for ABC News, Chief Anchor for ABC News, moderates presidential debates, and hosts a weekly “news” show for ABC News. Let that sink in. Now imagine Karl Rove doing the same. That’s Fake News.

    “Damn right, Tucker is not a journalist. He’s an actor that throws out accusations and doesn’t give a chance for the individual to defend themselves. He puts on a stupid face after every accusation that plays right into his audience. I have a few friends that live and die by his every word, and it’s quite sad. I tell them to not watch that garbage, but stupid is as stupid does.”

  284. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @Politico

    #EXCLUSIVE: Puzder ‘vowed revenge’ after she alleged abuse,
    ex-wife told Oprah
    via @marianne_levine & @TimothyNoah1

  285. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @ShaunKing

    It’s wild.

    Half the men in the Trump administration,
    including Trump,
    beat their wives.

  286. Grim says:

    Why the hell would Christie take a Trump job now?

    F&ck that sh/t.

  287. Grim says:

    For the record.

    If team Trump worked with the Russians, I would back public execution of the entire lot of them.

  288. Grim says:

    Just like I think that the Clintons should be in jail too.

  289. Essex says:

    3:38 Caught them on their last tour….MIND BLOWING….can put any band out there to shame….any band.

  290. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    The latest pro NAFTA propaganda making the rounds on facebook is now painting the corn farmers as potential victims if Mexico stops buying our corn. I sure as hell hope so. Corn is so incredibly oversubsidized that we really produce way too much….so much that we actually export it to Mexico. Lets stop subsidizing corn and diversify our production. This is a great step in that direction.

    Meanwhile, feeble minded people are trying to use this as a talking point to further their ideological agenda.

  291. Steamturd thinking about the remains of Hillary's umbilical stump says:

    Corn should be banned until it’s properly vetted.

  292. D-FENS says:

    mmmmm…..corn

  293. ProudLiberal says:

    @Grim,
    >>If team Trump worked with the Russians, I would back public execution of the entire lot of them.

    Don’t worry, you will be convinced that Russians had Americans in their best interest, and you will change your mind.

  294. The Original NJ Expat says:

    I agree with Tywin. I consume news from all different sources and I am frequently surprised by what friends and family don’t know about current political affairs because they only watch one channel. I watch CNN too, but I can’t watch it for more than 20 minutes without laughing or giving the middle finger to whatever d-bag is on screen.

    An information consumer does a great disservice to themselves by not observing people such as Tucker Carlson or Rush Limbaugh on a regular basis. That’s why it was no surprise when Trump won the election, only those locked into the CNN/NY Times “news” bubble were stunned.

    It’s useful to actually understand the concerns of people with different viewpoints (liberals, conservatives, centrists). When you regularly consume varying information sources, you can easily spot “journalists” who emphasize some facts, those who omit some facts, or those who simply fabricate Fake News (Dan Rather, “hands up don’t shoot,” etc.).

  295. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @kenklippeinstein
    how is the insane number of accused spousal abusers in Trump admin not a bigger scandal

    Full text: Puzder’s ex-wife speaks to Oprah about alleged abuse
    By POLITICO STAFF 02/15/17 12:46 AM EST

    Lisa Fierstein, labor secretary nominee Andrew Puzder’s ex-wife, appeared on an episode of The Oprah Winfrey Show in March 1990 titled “High Class Battered Women.” Using the assumed name “Ann” and wearing a wig and large sunglasses to disguise herself, she appeared alongside two other women who alleged their husbands had abused them. Fierstein told the Oprah audience that her husband had “vowed revenge” after she disclosed abuse allegations publicly. She later retracted those allegations as part of a child custody agreement. Puzder has always denied abusing her. This is the first time details of the episode have been made public. Oprah Winfrey’s company provided the tape to the Senate but declined to release it to the media. POLITICO obtained the tape from a woman who appeared on the show with Fierstein.

  296. D-FENS says:

    I do hope they lift the Russian sanctions soon. I’m in the market for a Russian made AK

  297. Essex says:

    Radicalized Homegrown Corn.

  298. D-FENS says:

    SoCal Beckons….

    New Jersey Among America’s Worst Places To Be Homeowner, Study Says
    It’s not just the taxes that make New Jersey among worst places to own a home in America, a study says.

    http://patch.com/new-jersey/gloucestertownship/new-jersey-among-americas-worst-places-be-homeowner-study-says

  299. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    18 U.S. Code § 2381 – TREASON

    Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

  300. D-FENS says:

    You’re so right puzzy. It’s high time we arrested the person who sold Uranium to the Russians.

  301. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Fox and Cnn should be eliminated. They are the problem. Both teams rally around this bs. All it does is provide ammo based on bs. Of course each side eats it up when the message is nothing more than a sales pitch to keep them tuned in so that advertisers pay up.

  302. D-FENS says:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0

    The headline on the website Pravda trumpeted President Vladimir V. Putin’s latest coup, its nationalistic fervor recalling an era when its precursor served as the official mouthpiece of the Kremlin: “Russian Nuclear Energy Conquers the World.”

    The article, in January 2013, detailed how the Russian atomic energy agency, Rosatom, had taken over a Canadian company with uranium-mining stakes stretching from Central Asia to the American West. The deal made Rosatom one of the world’s largest uranium producers and brought Mr. Putin closer to his goal of controlling much of the global uranium supply chain.

    But the untold story behind that story is one that involves not just the Russian president, but also a former American president and a woman who would like to be the next one.

    At the heart of the tale are several men, leaders of the Canadian mining industry, who have been major donors to the charitable endeavors of former President Bill Clinton and his family. Members of that group built, financed and eventually sold off to the Russians a company that would become known as Uranium One.

    Beyond mines in Kazakhstan that are among the most lucrative in the world, the sale gave the Russians control of one-fifth of all uranium production capacity in the United States. Since uranium is considered a strategic asset, with implications for national security, the deal had to be approved by a committee composed of representatives from a number of United States government agencies. Among the agencies that eventually signed off was the State Department, then headed by Mr. Clinton’s wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One’s chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.

    And shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, Mr. Clinton received $500,000 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock.

  303. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Garbage report. Cali is right behind on us and Texas right in front of us. So three highly populated states are on the worst places to live list, but Iowa and South Dakota are the best places to live. Yes, so many people want to live there, must be true. What a bunch of propaganda based on nothing more than bashing our state.

    Best places to live are the places with the highest density. Why? Because that’s where the most people go to live, and that’s all the evidence you need to come to that conclusion. Iowa? Who the hell wants to live there? Density as evidence supports that claim, but let’s make a list claiming Iowa is the best place to live in America, while stating that Cali, Texas, and Nj are some of the least desirable places to live. Can’t make this stuff up.

    D-FENS says:
    February 16, 2017 at 7:45 am
    SoCal Beckons….

    New Jersey Among America’s Worst Places To Be Homeowner, Study Says
    It’s not just the taxes that make New Jersey among worst places to own a home in America, a study says.

    http://patch.com/new-jersey/gloucestertownship/new-jersey-among-americas-worst-places-be-homeowner-study-says

  304. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @chrislhayes

    If Lynch had to recuse herself to being on an airplane w Bill Clinton for 30 minutes, then *clearly* Sessions has to recuse himself.

  305. Essex says:

    Better Move to Iowa…….(says no one)

  306. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @7im

    Is this what winning so much feels like?

    Because you were right, I can’t believe it

  307. STEAMturd, thinking Trump is less of a mysoginist than Bill was. says:

    “Is this what winning so much feels like?” Spelling error?

    Is this what whining so much feels like?

  308. STEAMturd, aka ValuePenguin says:

    Love the source of the data for that article D-Fenz.

  309. STEAMturd, aka ValuePenguin says:

    What’s going on down in Cumberland County?

  310. STEAMturd, aka ValuePenguin says:

    When Yahoo Finance asked Munger to weigh in on the protests and boycotts against companies that have ties to Trump, particularly retailers, he responded:

    “I don’t like all that. Basically, I’m not in favor of young people agitating and trying to change the whole world because they know so much. I think young people should learn more and shop less, so I’m not sympathetic to anybody. Young people are out in the streets agitating—that’s not my system. I think if you’ve got Hitler or something you can agitate. But short of that, young people should learn more and shop less.”

  311. The Original NJ Expat says:

    pumps showing off his top flight data analysis skills. Don’t worry pumps, NJ will always be the best place for you to live and those of us who live outside of Passaic County wouldn’t want it any other way. You were born to live your life in the exurbs.

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    February 16, 2017 at 8:12 am
    Garbage report.

  312. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Hurts to see someone that you try to belittle on a daily basis contribute more to this blog.

  313. The Original NJ Expat says:

    ex·urb
    ˈeksərb,ˈeɡzərb
    noun NORTH AMERICAN
    a district outside a city, especially a prosperous area beyond the suburbs. The most valued houses are those on the busiest streets with the highest speed limits and a double yellow line showing that the area is indeed golden.

  314. 3b says:

    Pumps you cannot just disregard the article just because it does not support your view.

  315. jcer says:

    Pumps is right it is a garbage study. NJ scores poorly because of the expense of NJ and the methodology used in the study isn’t sound. The impoverished urban centers in NJ pull down the score in NJ. The net effect is rural areas with much lower economic output(hence the lower cost) score much higher yielding an article with ridiculous conclusions. Yes NJ is an awful state to own a home in, so is NY and CT for that matter, same goes for the area around most densely populated major economic hubs. It is very expensive here and it makes no sense to live here unless your career is benefiting from it, my salary is 50k higher than it would be in many other places in the US(baring SF, Chicago, LA, DC) that covers a lot of my housing costs. This state has literally tons of issues but one saving grace and that is it’s proximity to the largest economic center in the world.

  316. D-FENS says:

    It is a silly article Michael…I actually agree with you. I think you might find your arguments would carry more weight if they were less emotional…and more analytical.

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    February 16, 2017 at 10:06 am
    Hurts to see someone that you try to belittle on a daily basis contribute more to this blog.

  317. STEAMturd, aka ValuePenguin says:

    Jcer…exactly. Pumps may be a simpleton whose opinions change as often as his underwear, but he does get the value of being in the proximity of New York. Of course, I remember when Manhattan was a POS (the 70s) and there’s nothing stopping it from returning to it’s former glory.

  318. D-FENS says:

    Can anyone really tell me that they know someone who moves here from out of state and is really excited about it?

  319. The Original NJ Expat says:

    Also consider the prospect of RE rot creeping in from the outer suburban bands. Warren County doesn’t believe it can turn in to Stroudsburg just as Morris County doesn’t think it can stagnate like Warren County, etc.

    Jcer…exactly. Pumps may be a simpleton whose opinions change as often as his underwear, but he does get the value of being in the proximity of New York. Of course, I remember when Manhattan was a POS (the 70s) and there’s nothing stopping it from returning to it’s former glory.

  320. STEAMturd, aka ValuePenguin says:

    “Can anyone really tell me that they know someone who moves here from out of state and is really excited about it?”

    Ask anyone who moves here from Staten Island.

  321. The Original NJ Expat says:

    …and Passaic County doesn’t think it is effected Morris or Sussex and of course those in Bergen County don’t even imagine anything existing West of Franklin Lakes.

  322. Bagholder says:

    “Ask anyone who moves here from Staten Island.”

    Or Long Island.

  323. D-FENS says:

    I think their lives would suck a little bit less. I wouldn’t call that excited….

  324. STEAMturd, aka ValuePenguin says:
  325. 3b says:

    Steam: actually some are. At least initially. I know a few who moved to brig adoon in the last decade or so who had very Mayberry ish ideas of life in the suburbs today. It takes them sometime to realize that although the suburbs may be better in many respects than what they have left behind the suburbs too have changed. And for many it has been a startling revelation.

  326. Essex says:

    I will say NJ has been very, very good to me. My daughter was born here. We are leaving much better off than we arrived. But if it all goes to hell at least I’ll be WARM.

  327. Fast Eddie says:

    I will say NJ has been very, very good to me.

    Why are you leaving, then?

  328. The Great Pumpkin says:

    People will bitch about anything. It’s amazing that nj has the highest density in the nation, yet I hear on a daily basis that it is the worst place to live based on high costs.

    You want cheap costs, go where nobody lives. You are not finding a high density area that is cheap, it goes against basic economics. Also, how can the highest density in the nation be considered a place in which no one wants to live. It defies logic.

    I think density is hands down the best piece of evidence of where people want to live. You want to see where the millionaires want to live….look up the areas with the highest density of millionaires. You want to see where Italians want to live, look at density measures. You want to see where families with 50,000 incomes want to live, look up the areas with the highest density measures for this group.

    Nj does not offer the best of all worlds. It does offer better than avg on most facets of life. Need a beach…check. Need a museum, check. Need to go skiing, check. Need to go hiking in the mountains, check. Need to spend a day at a lake, check. Need access to a large city to go play on the weekend, check. Need to go watch professional sport events, check. Need a milder version of all four seasons, check. NEED TO MAKE MONEY, a big fuc!king check. NEED TO SUPPORT YOUR FAMILY, a big fuc!king check.

    Those last two are what most people forget in their assessment that the grass is greener in other locations. You can’t find the means to make money or support your family in most locations (that’s all that really matters). There are no opportunities, but hey, it’s cheap.

    I wish people would stop coming to nj. I wish people that dislike nj would leave already. The less people here, the cheaper it will get. Less people using the schools, and less people competing over housing. The result will be lower taxes and home prices.

    D-FENS says:
    February 16, 2017 at 10:40 am
    Can anyone really tell me that they know someone who moves here from out of state and is really excited about it?

  329. chicagofinance says:

    Anyone who wants to leave, don’t let the door hit you on the way out………

    If you are a government worker of some type and are complaining about the cost of living here……go fcuk yourself…..

  330. Essex says:

    11:31 – Opportunity Knocked.

  331. Essex says:

    12:21– there there kitten.

  332. STEAMturd, aka ValuePenguin says:

    I’ve lived in both Cali and NJ. Both have their pros and cons. The overall shallowness of people and their completely fukced value system in SoCal gets old real quick. Though, the fact that you can pretty much leave electronics outside from May through November is a fair trade off. Wait until your first earthquake. I know it’s hard not to panic, but run to the door and look at the street. It will blow your mind to see it rolling. And if you see a Scientologist…run. Chinese food out there sucks too. Oh, Starbucks is for losers. It’s the Coffee Beanery or none at all. And eat a lot of bagels before you go. Their idea of a bagel is Lenders.

  333. Against The Grain says:

    Most of the complaining about NJ or any other place is just human nature. When I was in the service, there was a saying that the two best bases in the Air Force were your last one, and the one you just got orders to ship out to.

  334. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yes, people will complain about anything as I alluded to in my previous post. It’s in most people’s nature to complain. We claim the poor in our country have it made, but here they are constantly complaining. Hell, they complain about the free education they get, that it’s not on par with their suburban counterparts, instead of taking advantage of what they are getting. Can’t ever satisfy them, that’s why you don’t waste your time trying to.

    From the people I have come across in my life that have left jersey, they fall under two types. There are the types that honestly admit their mistake and move back (my grandparents). The other type can’t afford to come back, so they lie and claim how amazing their low cost area is to anyone that will listen as they make themselves feel better by bashing jersey.

    One thing expat is smart about. He moved out of jersey to Boston. He didn’t leave on some pipe dream to some low cost location.

    Against The Grain says:
    February 16, 2017 at 1:09 pm
    Most of the complaining about NJ or any other place is just human nature. When I was in the service, there was a saying that the two best bases in the Air Force were your last one, and the one you just got orders to ship out to.

  335. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Want to clarify something in my previous post. When I was referring to the types of people that leave jersey, I was specifically referring to the type that left for low cost locations. I’m not talking about the people moving to high cost locations in other states. I am only referring to the people that move to the low cost locations.

    Can you believe I bought this 4,000 sq ft home for 375,000 with low taxes. This sure beats jersey……..idiots.

  336. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Perfectly stated.

    chicagofinance says:
    February 16, 2017 at 12:21 pm
    Anyone who wants to leave, don’t let the door hit you on the way out………

    If you are a government worker of some type and are complaining about the cost of living here……go fcuk yourself…..

  337. ProudLiberal says:

    Orange Turd is whining about negative news on (inter)national TV. What a douchebag!
    Catch the Turd news in real time. Anyone who voted for him should be ashamed of themselves!

  338. ProudLiberal says:

    Is there anyone bold here to come out and say they are ashamed of voting for Orange Turd?!

  339. STEAMturd, aka ValuePenguin says:

    Orange Turd. That’s so clever.

  340. ProudLiberal says:

    Man up S*Turd. Tell me your vote for DJT was a gross mistake.

  341. ProudLiberal says:

    Turn on the news S*Turd. Listen to the crap coming from the WH yourself.

  342. jcer says:

    Pumps, everyone has an exit plan. Even those who keep a residence here usually take up residence in an other state. I plan to reduce my Jersey footprint and tax bill when my kids go to college, if you intend to retire you have to be super rich to do it here. I could probably divest all of my NJ property and survive without working in a cheaper state, but make it while you can so your quality of life remains high in retirement.

    Steam it’s funny you mention SoCal and how crazy the people are, because growing my family made friends with people from LA who were relocated by their employer for a 5 year stint and they were actually not happy when they were sent back home because the people in NJ were so much more normal than the folks back in CA. It seems like most people living in LA, San Fran, or pretty much anywhere in between on the coast is nuts. And yes pretty much all bread based products in CA are suspect, i know it’s gotten better but bagels, pizza, and bread are not reliable in the West.

  343. The Original NJ Expat says:

    After 20 years up here in Boston and nearby NE, I find it to be much like a better version of what we left in NJ.

    1. All professional level jobs start with at least 3 weeks of vacation. I’ve had 3 and I’ve had 4, never 2 to start.
    2. Property taxes are ridiculously low compared to NJ and Boston proper are lower still.
    3. Services are much higher, public transportation is good, safe, and not very expensive. Romneycare, unlike Obamacare, actually works. Everyone has access to the best healthcare, doctors, and hospitals.
    4. The city of Boston is part of my state, not part of a neighboring state where you don’t quite belong if you don’t live there.
    5. There doesn’t seem to be a circle of mega-wealthy elites. We certainly have them, but they don’t really have their own circle of exclusive places and clubs. Everyplace in Boston is accessible to everyone else. Politicians spend an inordinate amount of time actually among the people and the state pols are just regular guys, earning a regular income. They’re all Democrats, of course. I can’t even tell you how many times I’ve met and shaken hands with the Mayor of Boston, sometimes by accident.
    6. My wife used to think people are less friendly up here. My impression was they are exactly the same as NJ. I finally figured out what she meant. If you are outgoing enough to introduce yourself or speak first, as I am, people you just encountered seem exactly the same. OTOH, if you are like my wife and not willing to make the first move, then Bostonians may seem standoffish. In NJ/NYC/LI I think even the shy will get approached by random people, so they come off as friendlier and you don’t have to really initiate contact to meet new people.

  344. The Original NJ Expat says:

    It’s also kind of interesting that Boston, unlike most other states, has it’s biggest and best city as the state capitol.

  345. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Jcer, I don’t know if I will be here forever either. Too far in the future for me to say. All I know is that during my peak earning years, I will be in a location that affords me the best opportunity to make top dollars. If I’m lucky and can make a ton of money in a cheap location, I’ll take it, but that’s the equivalent of hitting the lottery; one can dream, but don’t count on it.

    jcer says:
    February 16, 2017 at 2:02 pm
    Pumps, everyone has an exit plan. Even those who keep a residence here usually take up residence in an other state. I plan to reduce my Jersey footprint and tax bill when my kids go to college, if you intend to retire you have to be super rich to do it here. I could probably divest all of my NJ property and survive without working in a cheaper state, but make it while you can so your quality of life remains high in retirement.

  346. ProudLiberal says:

    Are there any Trump voters here who heard the totally unhinged news conference just now? A text book example of Psychological projection.


    Psychological Projection– A theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.
    -Wikipedia

  347. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Expat, you forgot to mention that Mass. is predominately white. It’s like another world. People will call me racist for pointing that out, but see what happens when you have a state that is predominately made up of educated whites. A beautiful place to live. See what happens when you don’t have legions of illegal minorities in your schools and healthcare system. Beautiful things happen.

  348. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Imagine if you could take out the Paterson and Newarks of NJ, our educational scores would be through the roof.

  349. The Great Pumpkin says:

    And the costs associated with education would drop like a rock.

  350. jcer says:

    Yes Pumps both NJ and Conn are in the same boat. Newark, Trenton, Camden, Paterson, Irvington, East Orange, parts of Jersey City, Plainfield, Atlantic City… eliminate those and yes NJ’s tax problem goes away and our test scores would be sky high. The big issue missed by state governments is that people are mobile if you tax the wealthy too much they can move and conversely offering better welfare benefits than surrounding states causes the poor population to stay put and actually promotes migration in of poor people. The sad thing is the redevelopment value of those cities is sky high, the land is tremendously valuable because of proximity to NYC-Northeast Megalopolis and the transit infrastructure in NJ(Road density, rail, port facilities).

  351. jcer says:

    my incomplete thought is the growth of impoverished urban centers has mad ethe tax climate and cost of living situation untenable and has created an economic death spiral in both places where businesses are running for the exit.

  352. ProudLiberal says:

    @Dumb Pumpkin – which hole are you talking from?

    >>but see what happens when you have a state that is predominately made up of educated whites.

  353. STEAMturd, aka ValuePenguin says:

    ProudLibel,

    I did not vote for Trump. If you had been around here for a while, you would know that I primarily vote for “none of the above.” I would have voted for Bernie Sanders, much as would all of the other Democrat Clinton haters had I had the option. In this election though, I never made it to the polls since my vote wouldn’t have mattered anyway and was planning on voting for NOTA anyway.

    To answer your question, is Trump unpolished? Absolutely. Is he unintelligent? I don’t think so. Has he stumbled out of the gate? No worse than Obama did with his porkulous (stimulous program), Obamacare program sold as a way to lower insurance costs (affordable care?) when in actuality, he charged everyone more to pay for those with preexisting conditions or who formerly just went to the ER for all of their care since they didn’t have coverage. My premiums (coverage through my employer) have skyrocketed. Fortunately, I was able to offset them by making an investment in United Healthcare the moment ACA was announced. I knew it was a huge giveback to the private insurers. Our government used to be bought. If you didn’t see it during the bailout of Wall Street during the financial crisis, then you never will. Then O-man went on to appoint Geithner with the help of Fromin and Rubin. You think having a former Exxon CEO as secretary of state is an issue? Why the hell would you choose a Goldman Sachs and Citibank Rep to find a person to end Wall Street excess and abuse? All this occurred quite early in the Obama administration.

    I’ve said this here before. I used to laugh at the Fox News junkies (the birthers for example) during the Obama years. Constantly complaining and making sh1t up to see what might stick. Then Trump made a complete mockery of the Democrats and especially the DNC and the whining since then and bullsh1t news has been completely out of control. This isn’t throwing stuff at walls to see what sticks. This is putting gorilla glue on the walls and static charging the items you are throwing at it. Protests, puss-y hats, diaper pins. Even formerly respected rags have turned to sh1t. And it’s all based on opinion. No fact. If the right was acting stupid during the Obama campaign. Well then the left is currently borderline mentally disabled.

    Rome wasn’t built in a day. Trump has a lot of damage to undo. Not just from O-man but from the last 40 or so years. It’s funny, when tried to pass the vetting delay executive order, he was criticized for not doing his homework and rushing things. Then the same idiots who say he’s moving to fast are criticizing him for not having the Obamacare replacement in place, the tax cut devised among a host of other things.

    You might not agree with everything he’s done and he might not be polished, but you must admit the bullsh1t from the left wing press has been over the top. But you’re too much of a puss-y to admit it.

  354. No One says:

    Lots of indoor tennis played in NJ. That’s one thing the state has going for it.
    Pumps- what’s your USTA rating?

  355. Tywin says:

    Epic press conference from President Trump today, eviscerated the lying “mainstream” media from top to bottom.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0f-v3Gmp-c&feature=youtu.be&t=4009

  356. Fast Eddie says:

    ProudLiberal,

    We’re eagerly awaiting your rebuttal to STEAMturd. You know, since it was your desire to add some civil discourse to the forum.

  357. D-FENS says:

    3:10 Dude is just trolling CNN now. Really fun to watch.

  358. STEAMturd, aka ValuePenguin says:

    Gary said reBUTTal.

  359. No One says:

    Lefties fancy themselves high-minded intellectuals. Here’s what “intellectuals” at my alma mater are up to:
    http://www.campusleadership.org/?ID=8791
    UCF S0c1al1st club encouraging kids to smash Trump admin piñatas.

  360. Fast Eddie says:

    I just had a chance to view part of the Trump press conference. How refreshing to hear someone with gumption and b.alls! He simply tells it like it is. The left are just beside themselves!

  361. Fast Eddie says:

    Omg, he f.ucking gutted CNN!!

  362. Alex says:

    President Trump’s press conference was superb. He called out the liberal press for being the lying scoundrels that they are.

  363. Fast Eddie says:

    Omg, how f.ucking awesome was that press conference!!

  364. jcer says:

    Steam, good call on trump. Trump is a lot of things but he is not stupid, he is a manipulator and a narcissist but that might work to our advantage as he is already so rich he doesn’t need to stuff his pockets like Bush, Clinton, or Obama and really wants to build the Trump brand to be more than a business empire, its’ all about his legacy at this point. He is really obsessed with his name/reputation it is very strange.

  365. ProudLiberal says:

    >> Trump is a lot of things but he is not stupid.

    If you call keeping the whole world on the edge and talking about nuclear weapons flippantly is not stupid. I agree.

    A magician is not necessarily smart. He’s just tricking you.

  366. ProudLiberal says:

    @SteamTurd, my response won’t get past Grim’s stringent filtering rules for some reason. I’ll respond again later.

    But the gist is this:
    1. ObamaCare just needed more time for costs to come down.
    and
    2. The only reason RomneyCare is successful in MA, but ObamaCare, while a success is getting a bad rap, is because one of them bears a black man’s name.

  367. Fast Eddie says:

    ProudLiberal,

    Nuclear weapons, you say? Maybe Hillary shouldn’t have given Russia 20% of the world’s supply of uranium while funding the Clinton foundation. You don’t come across as being very smart with your responses.

  368. Fast Eddie says:

    Obamacare needed more time… LMAO!!

  369. ProudLiberal says:

    Too Fast for yourself Eddie:
    >> Maybe Hillary shouldn’t have given Russia 20% of the world’s supply of uranium while funding the Clinton foundation.

    Fact check, shall we: http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/

    Oh wait, there’s a war against facts.

    Keep drinkin the koolaid.

  370. ProudLiberal says:

    >> Obamacare needed more time… LMAO!!

    and “LMAO” is now an answer?! I would have expected that from Orange POTUS Turd, but you?! OMG!

  371. Fast Eddie says:

    Yes, because a blog called snopes, run independently (wink, wink), says so. Lmao! Que the song, “Don’t Stop Believing” for our misguided friend!

  372. Tywin says:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

    Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal

    April 23, 2015

    The headline on the website Pravda trumpeted President Vladimir V. Putin’s latest coup, its nationalistic fervor recalling an era when its precursor served as the official mouthpiece of the Kremlin: “Russian Nuclear Energy Conquers the World.”

    The article, in January 2013, detailed how the Russian atomic energy agency, Rosatom, had taken over a Canadian company with uranium-mining stakes stretching from Central Asia to the American West. The deal made Rosatom one of the world’s largest uranium producers and brought Mr. Putin closer to his goal of controlling much of the global uranium supply chain.

    But the untold story behind that story is one that involves not just the Russian president, but also a former American president [Bill Clinton] and a woman who would like to be the next one [Hillary Clinton].

    At the heart of the tale are several men, leaders of the Canadian mining industry, who have been major donors to the charitable endeavors of former President Bill Clinton and his family. Members of that group built, financed and eventually sold off to the Russians a company that would become known as Uranium One.

    Beyond mines in Kazakhstan that are among the most lucrative in the world, the sale gave the Russians control of one-fifth of all uranium production capacity in the United States. Since uranium is considered a strategic asset, with implications for national security, the deal had to be approved by a committee composed of representatives from a number of United States government agencies. Among the agencies that eventually signed off was the State Department, then headed by Mr. Clinton’s wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One’s chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.

    And shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, Mr. Clinton received $500,000 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock.

  373. chicagofinance says:

    you are not serious……if you are, then you are ill-informed…..

    ProudLiberal says:
    February 16, 2017 at 4:55 pm
    @SteamTurd, my response won’t get past Grim’s stringent filtering rules for some reason. I’ll respond again later.

    But the gist is this:
    1. ObamaCare just needed more time for costs to come down.
    and
    2. The only reason RomneyCare is successful in MA, but ObamaCare, while a success is getting a bad rap, is because one of them bears a black man’s name.

  374. Fast Eddie says:

    I’m on the train sweety, or else I would embellish but keep entertaining me as you steam your p.ussy hat.

  375. jcer says:

    Liberal, Romneycare works in Mass due to demographics and not being as mismanaged as the exchanges in Obamacare are. Obamacare and Steam put so well was written by the insurance lobby. His O’ness has the dem majority and could have passed good legislation but instead we wound up with a reheated turd, just let that set in for a minute.

  376. ProudLiberal says:

    Chi, I was kidding about this:
    >> won’t get past Grim’s stringent filtering rules

  377. ProudLiberal says:

    Too Fast for yourself Eddie:
    Sorry, you have to take the stupid NJ Transit. Actually, I’m not. You deserve to be on it.

  378. Fast Eddie says:

    Liberal,

    I want you to step on the train at rush hour an announce that everyone is stupid for taking Nj Transit. Keep entertaining us, your true colors are on display.

  379. Essex says:

    6:01 Eddie your man Trump is unhinged.

  380. 3b says:

    Proud: so you are a proud liberal but you don’t want to take stupid nj tra transit with the rest of us great unwashed. And that is why I have a problem with so called liberals. They are a hypocrites.

  381. Ventura says:

    3b admit it you just have problems. You whine like your newly minted President. You are oppressed for being you.

  382. Fabius Maximus says:
  383. Fabius Maximus says:

    “Dude is just trolling CNN now. Really fun to watch.”

    CNN, just dissecting him. My favorite, “It was the airing of grivences, it was Festivus”

    http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/02/16/trump-press-conference-jake-tapper-unhinged.cnn/video/playlists/donald-trump-press-conference-2-16-17/
    “It was the airing of grivences, it was Festivus”

  384. 3b says:

    Ventura! I don’t whine cutie. And I did not vote for Trump. But I am not crying like you and the other liberals as you describe yourselves. And you all assume that if we are not hyperventilating over trump then we must have voted for him. So typical. So liberal.

  385. 3b says:

    Fab the are we great yet Gary mantra is getting old. And are you sure you might not be happier back in jolly old England?

  386. Fabius Maximus says:

    Stu,

    “I did not vote for Trump. If you had been around here for a while, you would know that I primarily vote for “none of the above.”

    As I said back then this is an either/or election, there is no middle ground. Which end of the Sh1t sandwich did you want to eat?

    If Clinton won, unless you voted T, you owned her. If T won and you didn’t vote Hill, you owned him.

    So “None of the Above” is not an excuse, you own this OTurd ! Happy Sailing!

  387. ProudLiberal says:

    Got to repeat the line for all the stuck-up-right-wing-nuts on here. S l o w l y if I may add:

    “It was the airing of grivences, it was Festivus”

  388. 3b says:

    Fab that is b.s. don’t hold stu or myself and thousands of others who did not vote for either one. No we don’t own him. You and the other so called liberals own him. You created him. He is your Frankenstein.

  389. ProudLiberal says:

    3b.
    >> Ventura! I don’t whine cutie. And I did not vote for Trump. But I am not crying like you and the other liberals as you describe yourselves. And you all assume that if we are not hyperventilating over trump then we must have voted for him. So typical. So liberal.

    “Whine” did you say my friend?

    What you saw today from the White house QVC CEO was “whining”.

    What the normal guy complains about is called “raising up”.

    If you don’t call out the BS and raise to the ocassion, you are not a patriot!

  390. 3b says:

    Some left wing nuts on this blog too!

  391. ProudLiberal says:

    The left, right and all the nuts in between do need to call out the BS for what it is.

  392. Fabius Maximus says:

    3b,

    Funny thing is, I’m here by choice. The fact that I am so invested in this political process, should put some (natural born citizens ) on this board to shame.

    “Make America Great Again!”, I’m of the mindset it was great already.

    Yes, I will criticize the American Political system. I view all votes equal and can’t understand how a vote in Wyoming is worth more that a vote in CA. But that is the system and I stand by the result. Trump won the Electoral College, he is the President and I accept that.

    The fact his presidency and his administration is a train wreck, is something I will hold him and the people that voted for him ( or didn’t vote ) accountable for. Gary told me that with the House,Senate and Presidency in R hands, we will be great again, I am holding him to that.

    Are we there yet Gary?

  393. Fabius Maximus says:

    3b

    “”No we don’t own him. You and the other so called liberals own him. You created him. He is your Frankenstein.”

    Hell No!
    He went through the GOP primaries, that’s were he should have been stopped. The R’s own that and beyond the primaries, it’s the Sh1t Sandwich!

  394. Alex says:

    Fab max,

    Blowing through 9.3 trillion dollars in just 8 years is a train wreck.

  395. Fabius Maximus says:

    Alex,

    Like every president since (and including) Reagan, the deficit was doubled.

  396. Fabius Maximus says:

    Victory for the second amemdment!
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/15/opinion/congress-says-let-the-mentally-ill-buy-guns.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38543183
    She explained that federal law only allows for gun rights to be taken away from someone on mental health grounds if they are “adjudicated mentally ill”.

    Are we great yet?

  397. Ventura says:

    Alex do you recall a Recession??

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