The middle class was an anomaly

Great read from Ritholtz at Bloomberg:

Why America Has a Two-Track Economy

Which of these two scenarios describes the U.S. economy?

No. 1. The economy is better than ever: The stock market is near a record high, wages are rising, there are more job openings than applicants, household wealth has hit a record, gross domestic product is growing briskly, house values have recovered from the bust, and consumer confidence is back — and so is America!

No. 2. Real Americans are suffering: Inflation-adjusted wages are stagnant or even declining, economic mobility is nonexistent, gasoline is getting expensive as oil prices rise, labor force participation rates are stuck at levels not seen since the late 1970s, health care is brutally expensive and getting more so, and rents have been rising. There is a looming retirement crisis coming, as households have too little savings, and pensions are underfunded — the average American is getting crushed!

In reality, this binary choice is a false construct and both of these scenarios are very true. But who you are, where you live, your job and educational background very much determines which of those two descriptions you relate to more. And while there has always been a divide between rich and poor, it has grown especially acute during the past decade.

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125 Responses to The middle class was an anomaly

  1. dentss says:

    First

  2. joyce says:

    From the headline article:

    The credit crisis changed everything: The financial crisis was so large and all-encompassing that even now it’s hard to grasp its import. It revealed enormous stresses that weren’t readily apparent before. It was readily apparent to people who frequent this blog.

  3. HEHEHE says:

    All due to Fed policies. Drop rates to zero for a decade to inflate assets. Asset owners benefit. Who owns the most assets? The wealthy and upper middle classes.

    Would have been fairer to the lower classes to have done nothing and let the system clear itself out. Rich, middle class or poor if you were living an over extended lifestyle you’d have paid the price.

    By this time we’d be in a real recovery with natural gains in asset prices.

    Unfortunately the lower classes don’t own the political parties or have the many Ivy League alumni connections with The Club that runs this country.

  4. HEHEHE says:

    And another thing; ten years after the financial crisis they still don’t have a realistic plan to deal with counterparty risk if one of the major banks fail. Same daisy chain requiring a government bailout is likely to occur. The amounts will be just ever so slightly less staggering than the last go around due to some of the minor reductions in risk put in place.

    That’s “progress” in D.C.

  5. 3b says:

    Hehe I agree with much of what you say! The system should have been cleansed and a real recovery could have taken place. Not an artificial inflation of asset Prices.

  6. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    LOL. I saw a Nutrisystem commercial where a black guy said, “I’m Essex, and I lost 43 pounds on Nutrisystem!”

  7. MAGA2020 says:

    An amazing exposition yesterday of humanity, dishonesty and the american political system.

    I thought at some point Feinstein cracked. She couldn’t carry through and even wavered on whether just come clean, never entirely endorsing Ford’s story. This may be her last rodeo and is tired, buckling beneath the weight of lies.

    As for Ford, when I first heard that childish voice, I knew this was an extremely damaged person. She suffered extreme trauma as a young person and not simply of the type she described. It trapped her in that mentality.

    Initial hunch is that she had extremely overbearing parents who pushed her too far. She’s been seeking answers for why she’s so broken her whole life. Initially made a career of it, eventually settling on being a self loathing lib. If she believes what she’s saying(which I doubt, it’s far too calculated) she’s probably clinically insane.

  8. HEHEHE says:

    Looks like the Reps are going to be able to get Kavanaugh confirmed. I am certain select portions of yesterday’s circus will be sliced and diced into political commercials for both parties so that we’ll see them so often we puke.

  9. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Bear and Lehman were one thing, but Holy Fu,ck! AIG had all of their bets going one way. That was the lynch pin. The other big players thought they were set because they thought they had an arbitrage income in the billions by offsetting notional trillions. AIG was the huge whale bettor that was about to skip town after losing, which would have collapsed the betting ring.

    And another thing; ten years after the financial crisis they still don’t have a realistic plan to deal with counterparty risk if one of the major banks fail. Same daisy chain requiring a government bailout is likely to occur. The amounts will be just ever so slightly less staggering than the last go around due to some of the minor reductions in risk put in place.

    That’s “progress” in D.C.

  10. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    “Vote Democrat so we can stop ped0philes from being seated on the Supreme Court!”

    A good indication that Kav will get confirmed is that I’m already reading articles that propose impeaching him for being the mastermind behind torture in Iraq.

    Looks like the Reps are going to be able to get Kavanaugh confirmed. I am certain select portions of yesterday’s circus will be sliced and diced into political commercials for both parties so that we’ll see them so often we puke.

  11. Fast Eddie says:

    There is a looming retirement crisis coming, as households have too little savings…

    I remember going to an open house a few years ago. It was a split level and had the classic beer and cigarette aroma to it. The chubby woman selling the place was in her 60s. She had her two fat, loser sons who reminded me of Ignatius J. Reilly, sitting at the kitchen table eating sub sandwiches as we “toured” the dump. The house was offensive as was the smallish yard but that didn’t stop this woman from putting in a 20 X 40 foot in-ground, Anthony pool paid for by inheritance money from the Ms. Chubby’s mom. My point is that you need to practically live like a homeless person and save for years if you want to build any sort of retirement fund. Forget the trip to Cancun, the new car, the useless toys and other bullsh1t. Dollar cost average consistently year after year after year and MAYBE then, you’ll deserve the fruits of your labor.

  12. MAGA2020 says:

    Anyone want to bet whether Christine Ford still has her doll collection?

  13. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Flake will vote yes on Kav. That gets it to the floor vote, methinks.

  14. Fast Eddie says:

    I said the same thing about her when I heard her voice. I said this woman is way too vulnerable and meek. I also suspect that she has been searching for some inner strength or identity her whole life. There’s way too many holes in her story for me to believe it.

  15. MAGA2020 says:

    Eddie

    She was treated very gently as an accuser in this scenario should be. In a criminal defense scenario she would have been taken apart.

    She couldn’t recall basic facts as recent as last months such as which day her grandmother’s funeral was. Not sure if it’s fake news but I think it was said that she’s been on the east coast since Summer, which blows away an remaining excuse for why she wasn’t available sooner. She said yesterday was because she didn’t know the committee wanted to question her?!

    Supposedly there was therapist notes from six years ago that outlines the assault, she could not produce them. That’s because they don’t exist or contradict the latest story.

    Her friend is a big liberal and was previously married to Bob Beckel. No recollection whatsoever. My guess is that Ford thought her friend would back the story and when it blew up her friend decided she would not. She’s probably knows what type of nut job she is.

    I’ve never like Graham but he hit the nail on the head. This was weaponization of metoo for political purposes. No other explanation fits the facts.

  16. Douchebags says:

    I see the usual pud pounders are weighing in with their rancid stupidity – eat a dick fellas!

  17. MAGA2020 says:

    Hey DB, time for a scoreboard check.

    Trump-100
    Resistance-0

    You guys are losing bad.

  18. joyce says:

    Precisely. It’s easy for me to say since it didn’t happen, but that’s exactly what should have happened.

    The Original NJ ExPat says:
    September 28, 2018 at 9:19 am
    Bear and Lehman were one thing, but Holy Fu,ck! AIG had all of their bets going one way. That was the lynch pin. The other big players thought they were set because they thought they had an arbitrage income in the billions by offsetting notional trillions. AIG was the huge whale bettor that was about to skip town after losing, which would have collapsed the betting ring.

  19. Fast Eddie says:

    I guess I’d be resentful too if I was drunk day after day with no career and dependent upon a woman. When a woman is towing the line in a relationship, you can’t call yourself a man.

  20. Juice Box says:

    “Indelible in the hippocampus is the laughter” – I call BULLSHIT!

    I question the witness credibility even with all the coaching, this was a very slick ruse. A senator asks a question and the witness responds with what seems like an impenetrable scientific explanation.

    No witness explaining their trauma in the first person has ever said “Indelible in the hippocampus is the laughter”

    This person is saying “the hippocampus” not “my memory” or even “my hippocampus”

    She was coached to use her understanding of memory science to create this moment in the live testimony in front of the world. There is no question there was coaching.

    The question asked seemed coordinated Senator Leahy asked. The “the strongest memory” she had of the alleged incident, “something that you cannot forget?”

    “Indelible in the hippocampus is the laughter”

  21. DoucheBags says:

    Watch this economy melt down because of the bad choices this POTUS makes and the lot of you drooling imbeciles find yourselves out of time & luck . It already happening incompetence has a way of settling things.

  22. Fast Eddie says:

    It already happening incompetence has a way of settling things.

    What language is this?

  23. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Leave it to USA Today to misspell too. I copied from the URL, but it is actually norepinephrine.

  24. ExEssex says:

    Gary lecture me on manhood and grammar you sniveling little piece of shit.

  25. No One says:

    I don’t really agree with the Ritholtz article. There are more descriptors of the economy than choice 1 and 2. And there are more explanatory factors than 1-4.

    Here are some big factors I think he misses:
    Increasingly globalized economy and the return of a couple billion people into the global economy. The US consumer of all incomes benefitted from the products of low cost labor, but at the same time suffered from more of the world’s physical capital being steered toward lower cost laborers, bringing down the relative attractiveness of US labor in a global economic context.
    The increasingly globalized economy has actually increased the realm of opportunity for some people whose talents scale into the global economy, raising the value of their labor – e.g. multinational executives, people who invent new products or services, people who can invest globally with skill. Many of these people are “the rich” now.

    In the US, the poor and middle class have been hurt by the government constantly pushing for “demand side” economic policies, with temporary consumption being propped up by rising indebtedness. This has been coupled with a continuously growing regulatory state and corporate taxes that make business growth less dynamic than it should have been. The government has also been a very poor administrator of functions like Education, Infrastructure, Health Care, which in an entrepreneurial, consumer led market could spur future growth, instead deliver racial studies graduates, who go to work at NJ Transit, and get massively expensive type 2 diabetes treatment on the government (societal) dime, thanks in part to the govt subsidizing grain farmers and sending out faulty advice on healthy diet for decades.

    I know plenty of very smart people who are very rich, but see that everything isn’t great in the economy. I know plenty of people who struggle to get by, in dead-end jobs and no vision of how to get themselves or their kids out of that.

  26. Libturd...look me up in Costa Rica says:

    HeHeHeHe clearly said it best.

    “End of day most people are going to walk away seeing what they want based on their political viewpoint”

    And if that’s how citizens behave, lord knows our politicians are even more likely to behave this way.

    My gut and mind tell me Kav’s a rich prick and this most likely happened. But if the glove don’t fit, you can’t acquit.

    IMO, Graham is nothing short of a partisan asshole. From 40,000 feet, many of you guys come off as stupid as Pumpkin cheering his piss poor cowardly performance. Though, I don’t fault any of them for confirming Kav because Graham and Trump represent the new testosterone-fueled face of the Republican Party. But as many centrists hated HRC and allowed Trump to win while never admitting it personally. I think there will be tons of republican women who might not quickly forget about Ford’s testimony and will quietly make sure the blue team wins a lot more than they deserve to win come the mid terms and the 2020 general. But fear not. At the Thanksgiving table, your wive’s will never admit to it. So in the short-term, continue to enjoy your dick measuring contest. I’m pretty sure this is going to kill the Republicans in the long-term.

    And you probably think I’m hallucinating here, because admittedly, few can put their biases aside to view situations clearly. But I know that all the women in my neighborhood got together last night for drinks and discussion and I’ve never seen this happen before. And there were certainly a few closet Republicans against them. I think you can safely mark this as the turning point of the conservative movement. And stubbornly(and stupidly), Repubs could have have improved their position greatly by denying Kav and appointing a women instead. Nah, better to measure each other’s pricks.

  27. HEHEHE says:

    Apparently what wasn’t lodged in the hippocampus of any of the alleged attendees was this party ever occurring.

    I don’t know how you can claim you are 100% this guy did this and every other of your claims re attendees are dismissed.

    A defense attorney would have pounded her on the above and asked her for all the details. What were the boys wearing? What beer were people drinking? What music was playing loudly? Was there wallpaper on the walls of the bedroom? What color was the bedspread? What did the outside of the house look like etc?

    I am sure like with the attendees and location she wouldn’t have any details.

    You know it was entirely “this happened and it was him”.

    It may well have happened. It may be she’s a liar – despite the #MeToo movement sugarcoating there’s plenty of female bs artists and opportunists out there as there are men. It may well be with the passing of time her memory is confused and something happened involving some other boys and she’s projecting it onto Kavanaugh.

    All I know is with the political divide, the sh!t both parties pull, I’d give the guy a pass.

    Otherwise you are going to have this stuff happen every time

  28. Libturd...look me up in Costa Rica says:

    “a few closet Republicans against them.” Should read “among” them.

  29. Ex says:

    11:04 read the shit you post and ask yourself am I really that stupid?

  30. Ex says:

    Lib nails it.

  31. Libturd...look me up in Costa Rica says:

    The precedent (Salem Witch Trials come to mind) to be set, would have sucked. But I think the Dems won this one in the end. Everyone knows Kav was getting confirmed regardless of anything he did in the past.

  32. MAGA2020 says:

    Turd

    Clearly you’re showing your bias. Never invited to the CC I guess.

    For every Ted Kennedy out there, there are multiple “rich” kids who like to have their fun but keep their eye on the prize at all times. Kavanaugh appears to be one of the latter based upon others accounts of him.

    Who really knows what happened to that kook but you’re simply going to take her word at face value despite all of the contradictions?

    What keeps my up isn’t an end to Republican politicians, it’s mob rule and an abandonment of rule of law and due process. That’s what the left is encouraging en masse and needs to be checked at every turn.

  33. 1987 Condo says:

    I forget how Roger B Taney was in college, but he was no bargain on the court.

  34. ex says:

    I think what you are seeing is scumbags taking over. Go ahead see what I care. It’ll change but only after Trump fails as he has continuously done for his entire career. Trump wins! USA Loses. Big Time.

  35. MAGA2020 says:

    Turd, I do agree with one thing, the ruse was a stroke of Machiavellian genius. That’s what I suspect provoked Graham’s anger. It could cost a few heads.

  36. 1987 Condo says:

    *Taney

  37. HEHEHE says:

    Lib. To me she sounded credible. But with the complete lack of any corroboration what are you supposed to do if everyone she claimed was there claim otherwise. Either everyone is lying, which isn’t out of the question in this political climate but unlikely given the number of people she claims were there, or she is lying or her memory mistaken.

  38. Juice Box says:

    re: “Lib nails it”

    I am confused…Conservatives have the House, Senate, President and soon the Supreme Court. There will be no blue wave except in La La Land places like Los Angeles or Montclair/Glen Ridge where they can have all the co*ck*tail parties they want to gather and kvetch.

  39. chicagofinance says:

    Lib: Put it this way…… I think that both of them are telling the truth….. that said, would you trust Dr. Ford to go to Safeway and buy your groceries? NFW….. she is a mess…..

    Libturd…look me up in Costa Rica says:
    September 28, 2018 at 10:59 am
    HeHeHeHe clearly said it best.

    “End of day most people are going to walk away seeing what they want based on their political viewpoint”

    And if that’s how citizens behave, lord knows our politicians are even more likely to behave this way.

    My gut and mind tell me Kav’s a rich prick and this most likely happened. But if the glove don’t fit, you can’t acquit.

  40. Libturd...look me up in Costa Rica says:

    What male, in their right mind, is going to come forward and admit they attended these parties? This easily explains why there is no evidence. She is a ditz. Which is why I believe her. It also explains her inconsistencies. She made no attempts to even try to hide potentially damning answers to her case. She didn’t have the common sense to do so. It was actually painful listening to her. She is definitely fkuced up. This I will not deny. But I don’t see her political motivation here.

    Ultimately, it makes no difference if she’s lying or not because of the lack of evidence. Which is why I know the confirmation is safe. But Graham’s rant is truly out of place, unnecessary and is going to cost the Republicans a lot of votes. Listen…it’s not a big deal to me. I only intend to point out how stupid (and might I say shallow) the Republican lapdogs are sounding here with their certainty and supposed evidence to prove Kav’s innocence. To doubt the possibility that this happened reveals ones true colors. I am not saying it absolutely did. I’m just saying that I (yes, sharing my opinion) feel that I lean towards it having happened. I absolutely can not unequivocally say it didn’t. And neither should anyone here. Get it now? Probably not. Bias!

  41. Fast Eddie says:

    What about Juanita Broaddrick, Paula Jones and Kathleen Wiley?

  42. chicagofinance says:

    Anyone who had dealt with people such as her knows that she is not lying and her memory is mistaken. I think she is completely loony tunes…… I feel very bad for her. She used to be a unknown little snowflake. Now she has ruined many lives, including her children. No joke that a suicide is not out of the question. She is not built to tolerate what she has wrought.

    The comment that most rings true in the entire day is Kav’s 10 year-old daughter suggesting that they pray for her.

    HEHEHE says:
    September 28, 2018 at 11:22 am
    she is lying or her memory mistaken.

  43. chicagofinance says:

    If Dr. Ford does off herself, I think the dems hope it is in early November 2018 or 2020…… and I’m not kidding…..

  44. HEHEHE says:

    It could well be he did it to her at another party at another time and she’s so messed up she’s got all the other stuff mixed up as to where and when. I don’t doubt she believes he and his buddy did this to her but there hasto be some level of due process for these nominees. Especially when you are drumming up stuff from 30-40 years ago.

    The only thing yesterday’s circus did yesterday was further entrench the political divide in this country. I am not sure if there’s a winner when it comes to that.

    Dems tend to be extremely vocal re their political beliefs. My experience is Republicans not so much.

    Given that fact, I would venture the midterms are likely to be closer than the polling indicates. Much like with Trump.

  45. MAGA2020 says:

    In this country we don’t have to prove innocence. The resistance missed that day of social studies apparently.

    “supposed evidence to prove Kav’s innocence. “

  46. Libturd...look me up in Costa Rica says:

    Glad you get what I am saying HeHeHe. And I agree, Dems have become much LOUDER than Repubs. Which is funny, because it was the other way with the tea-party Republicans. I don’t remember this level of unhinginess (my word) ever.

    And not that I need to say it. None of this sh1t is personal. All I care is that other’s religions don’t interfere with my life. I love my enemies. About the only thing I can’t stand are stupid drivers, especially those who risk MY life to surf while driving.

    Which reminds me of something that happened a week or so ago. Some curvy chick was swerving all over the GSP heading over the Driscoll Bridge. She nearly hit the center median and then swerved to correct and nearly hit the car to her right. Once off the bridge, she was swerving into the shoulder. As I went to pass her, I look over and she has her cell giant smart phone on her gut, I kid you not, leaning on the steering wheel. I hit the horn to get her attention and mouthed to her to put the phone down. About a minute a later. She comes whipping past me, hits the horn as she passes and her approximately 7 year-old kid in the back flips me the bird. Costa Rica can’t come soon enough. At least when they curse at me, I’ll have no clue what they are saying.

  47. Libturd...look me up in Costa Rica says:

    Maga2020. You are a complete and total waste of type.

    Keep believing your party is THAT different than the blue team. Your ignorance is showing.

  48. MAGA2020 says:

    Looks like another just unhinged. What a glorious time.

  49. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    The hearing revealed many illicit and troubling things about the Democrats.

    1. Feinstein hooked Doc Ford up with a TV PR lawyer on August 7th, but hid the allegation from the Judiciary Committee until September? C’mon.

    2. Doc Ford acted as if she never heard about the option of being questioned in California, whereas anyone watching the news knew about it. I believed she didn’t know, which means her handlers kept that option from her.

    3. Some Senators, including Feinstein, asked K if he denied all three accusers’ stories, but refrained from asking any detailed questions about the more ridiculous accusers’ stories.

    4. This is subtle. I sensed that some of the Dems didn’t come after K as hard as they could have. It seemed as if they were on Team Dirty Tricks, but not by their own choice. They didn’t seem to have their heart in it…maybe because they didn’t?

    5. This is admittedly pure prejudice on my part: I’m suspicious that the lone accuser (We all write off the rest, right?) just happens to be a California academic. I would be less suspicious if she was a stay-at-home mom married to a Bethesda Republican businessman.

    OTOH, I find Kav’s definition of “Devil’s Triangle” and “boofing” not believable. The mention of the same girl (Renate) in multiple yearbook profiles also rings kind of sinister to me. I do indeed get the impression that these were largely unsupervised rich kids who, like the Glen Ridge bat squad, who could have easily done some bad sh1t.

  50. HEHEHE says:

    Lib I don’t know what they are promising Graham in all of this. He’s gone pretty over the top. They probably figure he has the safest seat so he’s been given the role of attack dog.

  51. Libturd...look me up in Costa Rica says:

    Feinstein’s timing was pure dirty politics. No denying that.

    Correct on 2. She has no common sense.

    Wish they asked on 3 as well, but I don’t think it mattered.

    I think on 4, the timing was a big issue that noone wanted to be a part of. Feinstein really has little to lose as do most of the current blue regime who should all step down after the 2016 election. Will never happen of course because none of these politicians have a soul.

    5 was an academic, which is almost unbelievable in itself. But not every academic is a brainwasher. Though yes, there are quite a few. It’s not like she was chairing protest marches though. That would be easy to find.

    Like I said before. There could have been a blue dress and the Repubs would have still confirmed. It is no longer what’s best for the country. It’s party over everything these days. Sad.

    HeHeHe. Speaking loudly and carrying a small stick is the new MO of the Republican party.

  52. Bystander says:

    Lib,

    I agree with you. Let it flow. All the MAGA lovers who follow the Orange fuhrer have to understand that the moron won married white women which got him the election. Dems have been trying to find that issue which could bind women together as a stronger voting block for them. That issue is sexual assault. It crosses wealth, race, young and old. All women have dealt with it in some fashion. It is no conicendence that MeToo, corporations, movies and entertainment have been bending to it for two years now. Kavanaugh’s appt. will be rocket fuel for mid terms. You lose women and you will lose majority. I am sure they see it but unwilliness to show weakness or hurt prex is too strong. They want to ride economy but as per main article, it is not even. Anyone trying to raise kids certainly feel the stranglehold on wages (search for cheap young foreign labor is constant now), health costs, daycare costs and everything else. Shoot, even a visit to a vet or checking a furnance is $300-$400 for little work performed. It does not feel strong for most people I know

  53. ExEssex says:

    Winter is coming bitches

  54. Libturd...look me up in Costa Rica says:

    Followed by tax season, when we find out that Trump’s tax plan was a transfer of wealth from the middle class to the upper class.

  55. Juice Box says:

    Ex- there are just 39 days until the election.

    Try not to lose it between now and then, we would not want your TDS to affect the real world we all live in.

  56. chicagofinance says:

    Only the election results will tell if sh!tcanning Kav would have been the right thing to do. The blue wave may have occurred anyway……. however, there is no question that sh!tcanning Kav would have energized conservatives……. but all that matters is the swing vote and how they perceive what happens in the next few days…..

    Juice Box says:
    September 28, 2018 at 1:22 pm
    Ex- there are just 39 days until the election.

  57. Libturd...look me up in Costa Rica says:

    I just wish people would think for themselves for a change. Humans have such herd mentalities. They all must feel loved at all times. I wish you all could meet my mom. Ever lose your lunch money for touching the walls of your home? Yeah, it shapes your personality. It’s okay to not be forever coddled.

  58. Pete says:

    And looking past the midterms and the immediate swing voters, if you think this will have no long term political implications I think you are being myopic. Speak to some younger voters and some women about their take on this. The only truly discernible lies were being told by Kavanaugh, the yearbook stuff being the most blatant of course, meanwhile the knock on Blasey have been coming from a bunch of older conservative men excusing sexual assault or playing armchair psychiatrist about her mental state.

  59. chicagofinance says:

    Nice from my FB news feed……. best part is Kavanaugh is now a “functioning alcoholic”.

    Um, nope. FBI’s job is to do background investigations. They did that. Then new information came to light. And instead of the FBI properly investigating that information, the GOP turned it into a circus sideshow by ushering people through the back door with “nothing to see here folks!” and refusing to properly investigate. It would have taken a week max to check out anything Ford has claimed. GOP knows he’s a functioning alcoholic, with misogynistic high school written contemporaneous evidence supporting Ford. What liar puts a WITNESS in the bedroom of a rape allegation? What assholes refuse to call that witness to testify? They don’t want the truth to come out because they, especially those complicit, really really need a definitive 9 person vote (in their favor as they know BK will vote) on the double jeopardy case that will be before the court next month. And, guess what? That case will allow 45* to pardon them all for their treasonous complicity in the hacking of the 2016 election. Ain’t that grand!!!

  60. 1987 Condo says:

    Lib, you got lunch money? Nice “humblebrag”.

  61. HEHEHE says:

    Now they are requesting a weeks FBI investigation before a floor vote.

    Morons don’t understand that His Orangeness would have to ok that.

    Some of these clowns have been in the Senate 40 years and don’t understand the process. It’s TFF!

  62. HEHEHE says:

    Chi I left Facebook a year ago because of all of the batshit political diatribes from both sides.

    The Russians stole the election thing is the most tinfoil hat thing since Obama’s birth certificate.

    I am guessing the same poster is constantly posting links to “news” articles etc. too.

  63. Fast Eddie says:

    The only truly discernible lies were being told by Kavanaugh…

    Because you say so?

  64. HEHEHE says:

    The FBI investigation is supposed to be limited to Ford’s allegations. From what I heard from the FBI agent on TV all they can do is interview Ford, Kavanaugh and the people she claimed were there that all said they weren’t. They don’t come to conclusions re their veracity. So in one week they’ll come back and say it’s still he said/she said. TFF!

  65. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Are you a masochist?

    Anyone that advocates that we should have let it all crash are either insane or a masochist. Why would you do that? You think we would be recovered by now? Keep telling yourself that. If they let it crash and did not step in, clot would be correct right now with his calls of anarchy. Who knows if this government would even exist if they let it all crash.

    Boils my blood when I hear free marketers think the market solves all. Keep dreaming.

    HEHEHE says:
    September 28, 2018 at 8:25 am
    All due to Fed policies. Drop rates to zero for a decade to inflate assets. Asset owners benefit. Who owns the most assets? The wealthy and upper middle classes.

    Would have been fairer to the lower classes to have done nothing and let the system clear itself out. Rich, middle class or poor if you were living an over extended lifestyle you’d have paid the price.

    By this time we’d be in a real recovery with natural gains in asset prices.

    Unfortunately the lower classes don’t own the political parties or have the many Ivy League alumni connections with The Club that runs this country.

  66. Libturd...look me up in Costa Rica says:

    It worked like this in my household. All the kids (7 of us), made our own lunches after dinner (usually leftovers) or sliced turkey or chicken breast on white bread. We were given $2 a week (no allowance), to pay for milk 25 cents/day Monday through Thursday and on Friday the $1 paid for pizza lunch (including the milk). So yeah. Call it a humble brag, but it really was not that glorious. We brownbagged it like every other middle class kid. If we were lucky, the cafeteria would give out the leftover unpurchased bread and butter sandwiches for free.

    So if I touched the walls, my mom (admitted clean freak) would take away my drink Monday-Thursday and my lunch and drink on Friday. They were tough. I once ran away and they changed the locks. No sh1tting you. Brother got caught smoking in the boys room. Mom left him in jail till the following morning. My best friend talked back to them about my early curfew once. It was the last time he stepped foot inside my house. She was one tough mother. Dad…he was too busy working his ass off. I give him credit though. He’s 84. Still has over a million in the bank easily and still plays tennis. He easily looks 20 years younger than he is. Most of his friends and sibs are dead already.

  67. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Anyone that advocates that we should have let it all crash are either insane or a masochist.

    It doesn’t crash to zero. It lets the market clear. Fact, states that had foreclosures occur quickly rebounded the fastest. You believe in the boogeyman and permanent economic collapses.

  68. Juice Box says:

    re: “Ever lose your lunch money for touching the walls of your home?”

    You got lunch and money to buy it? You lived like royalty. Try growing up in a old Bronx tenement building, I was in a gang and riding the subway by age 7…

    Here is what the current kids growing up in my old neighborhood are up too.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yj9Vsc0458

  69. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Good write up, but I really don’t understand how you are blaming the government for problems created by human nature. You think these problems would magically go away if we didn’t have a govt or an extremely small govt with almost no power? You are running a capitalist based system that creates winners and losers. What do you do with the losers….just let them die? I really can’t understand your position here, but hey, keep blaming govt for the actions of humans based on human nature.

    Yup, it’s the governments fault someone pissed away their educational opportunity. Yes, it’s the government’s fault that regulation needed to be created to stop these dirty businessmen from doing f’ed up stuff. Yes, it’s the governments fault that the infrastructure is falling apart because rich people lobby the govt for lower and lower taxes cutting off the government’s ability to spend on infrastructure and education. Yes, it’s the government’s fault, not human nature, for destroying nj transit with corruption and almost no funding. I just don’t get your position and how privatizing will solve all these problems.

    “In the US, the poor and middle class have been hurt by the government constantly pushing for “demand side” economic policies, with temporary consumption being propped up by rising indebtedness. This has been coupled with a continuously growing regulatory state and corporate taxes that make business growth less dynamic than it should have been. The government has also been a very poor administrator of functions like Education, Infrastructure, Health Care, which in an entrepreneurial, consumer led market could spur future growth, instead deliver racial studies graduates, who go to work at NJ Transit, and get massively expensive type 2 diabetes treatment on the government (societal) dime, thanks in part to the govt subsidizing grain farmers and sending out faulty advice on healthy diet for decades.”

  70. Libturd...look me up in Costa Rica says:

    Gary…it doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. The damage is already done. The R team could have handled the accusation 100 times better than they did. For a change, the D’s won this one. Regardless of possible terrible new precedent, regardless or Feinstein timing and regardless of past FBI investigations. Graham’s rant put a cherry on top of this Dem sundae.

  71. Libturd...look me up in Costa Rica says:

    Juice. You win!

  72. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yes, people are going to follow the rules and laws of the land as the economy crashes to almost nothing. You are out of your mind and looking at this from a romanticized view of the free market.

    Do you know how low the GDP would have gone? You would never get it back. The amount the gdp would lose in two years would have set the economy back decades. When a stock drops 50%, what percentage do you need to get back to even? Think the gdp is any different?

    Blue Ribbon Teacher says:
    September 28, 2018 at 2:33 pm
    Anyone that advocates that we should have let it all crash are either insane or a masochist.

    It doesn’t crash to zero. It lets the market clear. Fact, states that had foreclosures occur quickly rebounded the fastest. You believe in the boogeyman and permanent economic collapses.

  73. 1987 Condo says:

    yes..yes..yes….even I got milk money

  74. Juice Box says:

    re: “You win!”

    Yes I escaped that liberal utopia. Not so for many of the kids I grew up with. Sad thing is the one place were safe was at the Catholic School. St. Ann’s and it is now closed as of June 2017. Lasted over a 100 years…

  75. Libturd...look me up in Costa Rica says:

    You were like Bobo.

  76. Presumption of Innocence says:

    Kavanaugh’s accuser can’t state when, or where, she was allegedly groped over her clothing. She can’t state who drove her to the party, or who drove her home from the party. Every person she has named as having been at the party, both men and women, state Kavanaugh wasn’t even at the party. This is a joke, trial by smear and mob justice. Kavanaugh should be confirmed immediately.

  77. Fast Eddie says:

    The R team could have handled the accusation 100 times better than they did.

    Really? When you have p.ussy protests, rants, tantrums and 90% of the media unleashing daily assaults, how do you handle it better? Oh wait, I know how you handle it better, you use even dirtier tactics than the democrats. Please, we went from Russian collusion, to p0rn payouts, to se.xual assault accusations to a dozen other things I missed. What next? What’s their f.cuking platform? Our fathers are turning in their graves over what the democrat party has become.

  78. Juice Box says:

    Lib – Sure main difference was I had a mother who was hell-bent on getting out of there and scraped and scrounged to save up the deposit on a POS cape in Joisey, hence no lunch money.

  79. Fast Eddie says:

    This woman supposedly had a best friend at that party and doesn’t drag her out of the house with her nor tell her anything after the fact? Does any 15 or 16 year old girl that has a BFF fail to tell her best friend everything? What happens after this FBI week long investigation? Will that silence the hysterical left? Of course it won’t. We know what their agenda is and it’s far more evil than anything the right can conjure.

  80. No One says:

    Few can beat the story of my wife’s early childhood in China.
    No school till she was 7. Parents were always away at the factory, so random neighbors took care of her. Usually ran out of food every month, rarely any meat, usually just rice and pickled vegetables and some soy sauce. The apartment building had one bathroom outside for all the families. There was also only one common kitchen facility. No refrigerators. No TV. No AC. The radio only had one channel, the Chairman Mao channel. Her one toy was a little wooden gun with which she could pretend to shoot imaginary landlords trying to return to China. When she was born, the hospital was full of incompetents because just a couple years earlier Mao’s Red Guards had decided that doctors with degrees were intellectual oppressors of the common man, and put them in re-education labor camps. So her mom almost died and was sick for the next 10 years. Her older brother wasn’t able to go to college, because they were shut down by the Red Guards for the same reason – people with college degrees are oppressors.

    Then when she finally went to university in Beijing, (only a few percent of kids in her generation could go to college), the military marched on them in Tiananmen Square and killed some of her classmates. Then she risked everything to get a master’s degree in the US, after that.

    Because of all of that, she has zero tolerance for losers born in the US like pumpkin who whine about nobody giving them a chance or an opportunity to do anything with their lives. She sees that Americans are born with all sorts of opportunities most in the world would kill for, and so very many of them squander those opportunities, and then blame others for it, and demand to be supported by others.

  81. PuzzyGrbberz says:

    ….and the POTUS is quite possibly the dumbest white man this reporter has ever seen…

  82. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You simply just don’t get it. At the same time, you are doing the same thing….you are whining about people instead of doing something about it. Stop making excuses and step up. Oh right, you only care about yourself.

    “Because of all of that, she has zero tolerance for losers born in the US like pumpkin who whine about nobody giving them a chance or an opportunity to do anything with their lives.”

  83. Juice Box says:

    Dumbest white man? Sounds like Michael Moore’s 2001 book.

    BTW – Moore’s conclusion of that book was that YOU need to take over the Democratic party since well they have little tolerance for people that cannot afford the $1,000 a plate dinner. Case in point our own Sen Menendez bringing in Hillary to run his women for a child rapist fundraiser.

    https://twitter.com/NYTnickc/status/1044677433792884738/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1044677433792884738&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.northjersey.com%2Fstory%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Felections%2F2018%2F09%2F26%2Fhillary-clinton-help-raise-money-bob-menendez-jersey-city%2F1430650002%2F

  84. No One says:

    Dems: this is probably a winning tactic politically, regardless of the truth. So of course they will play it. For Trump to complain about baseless allegations after claiming Ted Cruz’ dad helped kill JFK. That’s pretty hypocritical.

    I hated Hillary, so I did enjoy seeing her faithful crying.
    But Trump is a disaster for Republicans as well. His mind is chaotic and petty. He grossly contradicts himself all the time. After they lose the House and Senate, the remaining Republicans should help the Dems impeach them, and then try to cleanse the party of Trumpism, and the sleazy political operatives that he brought with him.

    I cannot picture anyone winning ahead though. The Dems are focused on s0cial1sm combined with maximum political correctness. The Repubs have know-nothing-nationalists, some holy rollers, and some “establishment” types with no intellectual vision. Intellectuals were never strong in the Repub party but Trump basically purged them all. So they’re all mostly thoughtless in their own way. Meanwhile Dems are full of intellectuals with no wisdom or common sense, and increasingly educated to hate the history of the US.

  85. leftwing says:

    Lib, usually agree with you but think you’re off the mark on Graham.

    To any conservative he is RINO. Disliked on the order of his old pal McCain. Recall he refused to endorse Trump and made a big deal of not voting for him in the general election. His seat is as safe as it comes and his (political) disposition is one of moderate.

    His rant was real and not for the cameras. For him, the bareknuckle politics by Feinstein broke unwritten code of the Senate and basic decency.

    Ford was nothing more than a convenient prop and the way Feinstein manipulated her situation into political weaponry is the most shameful part of this episode and what set off Graham.

    Graham represents the raw anger of the (overwhelmingly) passive moderate. The Dems are making a critical error waking this group for midterms. Net, net it is a much larger influenceable (my new word) group of swing voters.

  86. Libturd...look me up in Costa Rica says:

    No One. Very observant.

    In other words. Let’s start over. Start with the end of lobbyists and PACs. No more campaign contributing whatsoever. Two term limit would be nice as well for all political positions.

  87. Libturd...look me up in Costa Rica says:

    We’ll see lefty. I still believe her. It really comes down to whether or not it happened. And if it did, the truth will come out. If not, then I feel as bad for Kav as I did for the Duke lax boys.

  88. ex says:

    You are forgetting that Trump’s policies are killing the economy in flyover states. 50 years of China courting to be their soybean producers? Done! Successes of American plants assembling BMWs? Screeeewed. Trump trump trump

  89. Not NoOne says:

    Ted Cruz’ dad helped kill JFK

    By the way, do you guys know the background of that statement or how the other 5 guys with Gordon Liddy at Watergate were Cuban?It’s not Cubans fighting communism. It comes down to Batista’s assorted henchmen.

    Batista had a lot of psychos and goons in uniform keeping him in power. Those were not put up in front of a firing squad, and fled thought that it would be easy to get rid of him, add the CIA and you got Bay of Pigs. Castro wisely got the Statsi/KGB to neutralize things for him after Bay of Pigs.

    After the Bay of Pig Failure, a very large chunk of Batista thugs became the Miami Cuban mob, with shake down (if you were a Cuban store owner in Miami – you had to pay a tax or get firebombed), loan sharking, gambling being the bread and butter. But they were always partially into criminal activity, partially into local politics, partial into intelligence/dark arts, and later big time into cocaine/money laundering.

    The FBI kept tabs on them, once they went criminal. The one thing in common among their activities was that they felt entitled and did not want regular jobs. The cable series of Cocaine Cowboys picks up in the late 70’s. From the early 60’s to the Series start it was like I described above.

  90. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Are Orthodox Jews taking over nj? Never saw so many in my life at garden state. Even saw ny license plates with a group of 20 of them parking and going to the arboretum by my house. Lib, or any others, know what’s going on?

  91. Pumkin Circmciser says:

    They are coming for you pumpkin!

    They herd you like real estate a lot and have extra skin that you want to shed. They want to be your neighbor. I heard they make a mean pastrami and bagels, or the Mexican guys they hire.

  92. Comrade Nom Deplume, certified jumper says:

    We get another expatriate report before Halloween. The trend that started under Obama leveled off and even dipped a bit under Trump but has nonetheless held more or less steady since 2009. My take is that the smart money sees that Trump was simply a speed bump in America’s drive headlong toward the cliff and they are still thinking that they are better off having the golden passport, er, parachute for when the leftists take power and they have to beat a hasty exit.

  93. Bystander says:

    4:50 hah, a good laugh to start weekend. I hear they are looking to congregate in Wayne next. Vote down all school budge increases for public school while getting town to pay for busing to Hebrew schools. Separate for boys and girls of course. Also they all live below poverty line so can’t pay up. Oooh, run Blumpy.

  94. Libturd...look me up in Costa Rica says:

    As the recently appointed blog expert on Jews, I’m guessing there was a sale on black sweaters at Century 21.

    Essex. Though the soybean story is true and is negatively affecting farmers. That is one of those stories that make a nice liberal talking point. But in the grand scheme of things, is extremely small and affects very few. I’m not a huge fan of Trump, but I think his tariffs are one of the few smart things he’s done. I’m also a fan of some of his deregulation, though, he’s cutting a little too deep when it comes to water pollution restrictions.

  95. Juice Box says:

    Pumps what are you doing at the GSP mall on a Friday afternoon? Oh wait I figured out where your worked ages ago never-mind.

  96. Juice Box says:

    From the Turtle neck that runs the senate “I’m pleased to announce all 51 Republican members of the senate support the motion to proceed to the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh.”🐢

  97. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Thank you for not going expat on me.

    Please do not say a word, I’ll seriously lose my job. My company doesn’t mess around. I have no time lately. Was watering at the mouth to join today’s discussion, but I have absolutely no time. That’s coming from someone that suffers from extreme ocd. So imagine how bad I wanted to post. My first post today was when I finally felt comfortable enough with time to post. My old position, I f’en mastered, that’s how I had so much extra time to post. Sometimes, I think I should take the pay hit for the extra free time, but it’s so boring. I want to be constantly challenged at work. Want meaning in my life. Don’t just want to skate by.

    Juice Box says:
    September 28, 2018 at 6:54 pm
    Pumps what are you doing at the GSP mall on a Friday afternoon? Oh wait I figured out where your worked ages ago never-mind.

  98. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Without more details from Ford, this whole thing is a non-starter. I would have done better than Mitchell questioning her. I would have concentrated on the location and transportation, more than anything else. Ford has stated it was near the Columbia Country club. Keep in mind these private school kids aren’t concentrated in a single neighborhood or town, they are spread out all over the place, across many towns.

    1. Normal day at the Country Club, got there how usually, what time? Left when and how, usually? If you weren’t going home when the pool closed did you have to contact your parents? Can you give some examples of other places you went after the pool if you didn’t go home? How did you get to these places? Did you ever arrive or leave the Country Club driven by teenagers with no parent in the car? How often? Who were the drivers? etc.

    2. You stated that the house was near the Country Club, but you don’t recall exactly where. Can you recall any houses near the Country Club, that you have been inside of, on any occasion, during the Summer or any other time of year? Which houses? Who lived there? Since you lived in another town 8 miles away, how did you become acquainted with the students who lived in these houses? Who else was there? Were you and (Kavanaugh, Judge, Keyser, Smyth, separate questions) ever inside that house at the same time? On what occasions were you there?

    3. What days did you normally go to the Country Club pool? Did you usually go directly home after you left the pool for the day? On days that you didn’t go home after the pool what other places did you go? How did you get there? What time did you usually arrive home on days you went to the Country Club pool?

    3. When your parents thought you were at the Country Club, did you ever leave while you were supposed to be there without telling your parents? Where did you go? How did you get there and back? What activity did you leave the Country Club for?

    4. You’ve described certain details from the house where the party occurred and that the house was near the Country Club. Putting aside this particular evening, do you think this was the only time you were inside this particular house? Do you recall if the house was close to the road? What did the driveway look like? Were there cars in the driveway, or did the house have the appearance from the outside like no visitors were present? Do you recall anything about the house’s outside features?

    5. Going back inside the house where the party was that evening, you describe a narrow stairway to the upstairs. Was it narrow, as in the steps seemed not very wide? Do you think the house had more than one set of stairs going to the upstairs, or was this the only staircase up? Were the steps carpeted? I understand that the stairway was narrow, did it seem narrow because there were walls on both sides? Was the stairway open on either side, like with a bannister you could slide down? Was there a bannister on both sides and maybe the stairway. Besides being narrow, did the stairway also seem short, like less than a full flight up, like in a split level house? Did you go upstairs by yourself? Why? Was the closest bathroom up these stairs? You said you could hear the boys “ping-ponging” off the walls as they went down the stairs, so were (correlate with bannisters, one wall, or two walls).

    6. When you made your escape from the house, do you remember if your footsteps made any noise? Were you afraid that someone would hear your footsteps and stop you from leaving the house? I guess when you were finally outside you were still frightened, so you ran, is that correct? In which direction did you run, left or right from the house? Do you recall if the house was on a through street? Dead end? Cul-de-sac?

    etc.

    Kavanaugh’s accuser can’t state when, or where, she was allegedly groped over her clothing. She can’t state who drove her to the party, or who drove her home from the party. Every person she has named as having been at the party, both men and women, state Kavanaugh wasn’t even at the party. This is a joke, trial by smear and mob justice. Kavanaugh should be confirmed immediately.

  99. ZZtop says:

    SCOTUS will hear this case (link below) later this fall. Some believe the urgency to seat the current SCOTUS is because he would create a majority vote on this case.

    The case is about a pardon carrying over to the state level so the get out of jail card gets one out of federal and state in one shot. You all can decide what the ramifications of this would be.

    Some of the best comments ever on this blog. Partisan stuff is always a smoke screen. Props to Lib and those who can be objective. Those who can only scream for their team either can’t think or just vilify the other to feel better about themselves.

    https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/17-646.html

  100. Not AKav Fan says:

    Just an GenXr here. Not a fan of K Judge, but I got to admit that he’s a product of of his time.

    That time frame on when he went to high school was very,very party driven. Drinking age was still 19 in NJ, 18 in NY. I had high school classmates that spent their nites in NYC clubs and would drink Buds outside before coming in to class.

    1981 was the year with the highest divorces on record, there was for kids a “raise yourself wolfpack” mentality with no supervision whatsoever, as Xrs where the first generation ever to have the least parental care and support -we are the latchkey kids (Thanks Baby Boomer parents).

    Movies that I remember – Porky’s, The Last American Virgin, Valley Girl, Class, Risky Business, Repo Men, The Outsiders. All were about being by yourself, partying, and getting scratch. The other types of movies at that time were the horror/slasher movies – Scanner and alikes.

    Even today, the Charlie Sheen TV Show 2 & 1/2 Men. Is a perfect example of the parent of that time, and especially financially well off ones.

    So it might or might not have happened, but I put it in the file along with Democratic Sen. Robert Byrd from WV, a one time klansman. And Republican Thurmond from SC, who fathered a whole black family on the side.

  101. chicagofinance says:

    Holy sh!t…… what a fcuking call….. how did you pull this out of your a$$ at lunch on Thursday?

    leftwing says:
    September 27, 2018 at 12:24 pm
    “He is done, she is credible.”

    She was always going to present credibly. Dems would not have let her in the building if not. I don’t think that’s the benchmark.

    The prosecutor is dry, but she is building a case that Ford is confused, and not just over what exactly occurred in the bedroom.

    My bet is the ‘compromise’ will be an FBI investigation on very narrow points coming out of today. That limited investigation can be done quickly. Who was in house, what do they remember, who gave her a ride, etc. The conclusion will be inconclusive, the investigation won’t be able to determine whether the event occurred between her and Kavanaugh or not.

    On basis of that, confirmed.

  102. leftwing says:

    Lib never said I didn’t believe her, not sure if I do but if I give her the benefit of the doubt let’s follow through on that thought:

    Totally un-PC to say and it will never come out of any lawmaker’s mouth but there was a sexual assault? By her own testimony she was wearing clothes over a one piece bathing suit. No allegation of any breast/gen1talia contact attempted. No flesh. No kissing. A drive by bump and grind.

    I’ll call any college male on here a liar who denies doing the same on some dance floor somewhere, sometime without explicit consent from the woman.

    Now that doesn’t excuse the behavior. And she is clearly a very damaged individual, very possibly in part because of this incident. I think it is instructive though that when asked her most distinct memory of the event was one of the laughing, the humiliation, and not the “attack”. Because the attack was not real, but the humiliation was.

    She was a freshman at a tertiary girls school who at a common country club was in the orbit of upperclassmen from *the* prep school who were *the* guys (football captain, basketball captain).

    She left the CC to go to someone’s house she did not know to a gathering with four boys she did not know well with alcohol at age 15. Rather than fitting in, becoming part of the “crowd”, as she had hoped she very quickly found herself in the deep end of the pool in a situation she could not manage. That panicked and humiliated her. She was crushed.

    Mind you, I’m not blaming her as the victim. I’m actually being empathetic. Most of us (myself included) have experienced devastatingly cringeworthy situations at that time of our lives that have stayed with us and influenced who we are. This event obviously marred her deeply.

    But, can it be positively attributed to Kavanaugh? And, back to the question no one will ask, even if it did happen with Kavanaugh is five or so seconds of a HS clothes on bump and grind rise to the level of disqualifying sexual assault? Factually. Not through the metoo prism.

    The anger I am hearing around here toward the Dems because of the factual base (or lack thereof) and how they sprang this is palpable and coming from fronts I would not expect. A friend who I would describe as apolitical (and thought was a closet liberal) called me four times each of the last two days bonkers as he was watching the hearings. I literally had to tell him to stop, that I needed to get some things done.

    I’m still of the view that the Dems have overplayed their hand. If they did the hit-and-run on Kavanaugh and moved on they would have cemented the House now and laid a good base for 2020. A conservative in the open SCOTUS seat is foregone, they are not changing that. Senate may have turned out 50-50.

    Instead, by going down this rabbit hole they are energizing an indie/Repub base that would not have turned out and getting only marginally more turnout from their base. That may hand the Repubs up to three more Senate seats and make a House win for the Dems more difficult. I had NY22 and NJ11 turning Blue despite being traditionally Red and being viewed as tossups in polls. The national BS may sway those two districts to remain Red, among others.

  103. chicagofinance says:

    Can you believe that woman who cornered Flake in the elevator?

    #1 who the fcuk does she think is?
    #2 how is this person allowed to jog around the halls of power unfettered?

    Reminds me of my post from a couple of days ago…..

    chicagofinance says:
    September 27, 2018 at 11:51 am
    the first reaction is empathy, but in the greater scheme, depression is a form of narcissism….. when I think of everyone around her who has needlessly had their lives destroyed….. why? Because her pain is more important than anything else……..

  104. chicagofinance says:

    left…… I think you are hitting on the right issue…. a difference of perception….

    Objectively, I think nothing really serious happened, but I think the recognition by Judge at the Safeway may very well mean that Kavanuagh was actually responsible, which means he perjured himself. However, that cannot be proven.

    That said, she is a fcking whacko that was being a bad girl that day, and as you note, was totally in over her head. She fcuked up and the searing panic of that whole afternoon is real for her. However, especially in the context of 1982, he did nothing other than being a prep school jock a$$hole. She needs to get over it. Obviously, she cannot.

    I will state that the world is much worse off because of people like her, not him. I don’t want to pile on, but the overall approach to managing our affairs as a society has been softened, dumbed down and diluted because of people such as her.

  105. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    I’m not sure this would have been good strategy for the Republicans, but I bet a lot of people would like to know the answer to these two questions:

    1. Was this the first time you were assaulted in a physical manner?
    2. Was it the only time?

  106. ExEssex says:

    10:51 geezus you need help.

  107. Libturd, rape trainspotting like Kavanaugh says:

    I am totally in agreement with both of you, for the most part. The only place I differ is where you guys find the “minor” sexual assault as more of a right of passage of the times. This is a Supreme Court Justice you are vetting. Even the boozing bothers me a bit. For this position, you should either be squeaky clean, or at least be smart enough to appear like you are. There are lots of people who cheat on their partners. I for one, do not nor never would. There are lots of people who are genuine assholes in this world too. That does not make it acceptable to me. But without the evidence, you have to give Kav a pass. Though I feel there’s a little too much smoke there.

    Prior to this, I thought the mid-terms would go red. I think now it goes more blue. Impossible to prove it was from this, of course.

    And Red members here shouldn’t fret too much. Your boys saved about as much face as they could by allowing the investigation.

  108. leftwing says:

    “Holy sh!t…… what a fcuking call….. how did you pull this out of your a$$ at lunch on Thursday?”

    LOL. Pure self interest.

    You should see my portfolio. Since July I’ve been legging into a multitude of low/no cost put spreads with Nov 16 and December expiries after putting in a ton of time analyzing the political landscape. Concluded a Dem House takeover was in the bag and a good pullback between now and the event when it is viewed as inevitable.

    Talk about mixed feelings….I really don’t want a split Congress but I’m basically sitting on a winning lottery ticket if it happens. Best case, the Dem House takeover is a ‘surprise’ and they announce election night they are starting an impeachment proceeding on Trump and any Republican legislation is DOA. Market opens down 5% on Nov 7th and continues the decline through that week……

    The fcuking irony is if I’m right that the Dems overplayed these hearings it can cost me those positions…Watch NY22 and NJ11 as canaries in two very different coalmines.

  109. Libturd...look me up in Costa Rica says:

    Come on ExPat. You are smarter than linking that silliness. Unless you are simply trying to be entertaining. If we fault the USA Today. Then the Tennessee Star needs to be dismissed as complete silliness.

  110. ExEssex says:

    This is about unchecked aggression and general shitty behavior. What’s missing? The older brother who beats the living shit out of a teenaged Kavanagh for his actions. Balance of power keeps people humbled.

  111. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Boozing at a young age is meaningless. In my early 20s,. I’d kill a 30 pack with my friend every night. Over that past 10 years, I might have had 25 alcoholic drinks. I’m on Pace for about 1 drink a year this year. Haven’t had it yet.

  112. ExEssex says:

    Hey teach stfu you are a sniveling cunt .

  113. Libturd...look me up in Costa Rica says:

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  114. leftwing says:

    Yeah, heading out to do some yardwork then take the convertible out. Days like these are my favorite. Enjoy everyone.

  115. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    So one yearbook can be entered into evidence, the other can’t? Zoom in and read “When the Parents were Out”. Remember, this is from the all girls school and fully sanctioned, or at least allowed, by both parents and faculty. I think it’s credible that her school pulled these down so you couldn’t compare apples to apples.

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  116. Libturd...look me up in Costa Rica says:

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  119. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    If they cut the media during that part of the hearings, I’d be fine with it. But they held up huge (times TWO) posters during the hearing.

    I didn’t see any yearbooks. I ignore that crap. Unless there were some bedroom pictures, I highly doubt anything credible is going to come from a yearbook.

  120. The Original NJ ExPat says:

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    Defense: What year?
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    Defense: Where specifically did this occur?
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    Defense: Did he lust after you in his heart first?
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    KAVANAUGH: That is correct.

    CORNYN: So in order to vote against your nomination, we would have to conclude that you are a serial liar.

    KAVANAUGH: Yeah.

    CORNYN: And you will have exposed yourself to legal jeopardy in the way — in your interaction with this committee and the investigators, isn’t that correct?

    KAVANAUGH: That’s — that’s my understanding.

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