C19 Open Discussion Week 13

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  1. Hold my beer says:

    First

  2. ExEssex says:

    Second.

  3. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The Fed deserves the praise for America’s jobs turnaround. But Trump benefits
    The US stimulus programme looks to have been a success: one that has political as well as economic consequences

    https://apple.news/AWplflUSJQkuO-WjCaBpgNw

  4. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The US has a reputation for bouncing back from adversity quickly, but even by its own standards the turnaround has been remarkable. If the data from the Bureau for Labour Statistics (BLS) are to be believed, large numbers of workers who lost their jobs when the economy went lockdown in March were rehired as restrictions were eased from mid-May onwards. On Thursday, the day before the official payroll data was released, there had been figures out showing almost 2 million Americans had filed jobless claims the previous week, taking the total to more than 40 million since the crisis began.
    Trump seemed as surprised as anyone by the news, but for once his hyperbole was fully justified. The president tweeted that the numbers were incredible, stunning and stupendous – as indeed they were. He also praised himself for the sudden reversal of fortune, which was less justified. If any one man can claim credit, it is the chairman of the Federal Reserve, Jerome Powell, who acted early and acted big to provide record amounts of stimulus.

  5. Juice Box says:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/07/us/politics/joe-biden-george-floyd-funeral.html

    Joe will be taking his first trip out of Deleware tomorrow, to Houston for the George Floyd funeral.

    Note: will he be flying commercial or is the campaign funding a private jet?

  6. Juice Box says:

    George’s sister in round 1 so far is 13 million dollars.

    https://www.gofundme.com/f/georgefloyd

    Round 2 little sister missed so far only $377,000 raised.

    Why two competing funds?

    I’ll make a prediction here, less than 20% will go to his ESTATE, perhaps there is no will so only legal heir under the laws of intestacy is his biological daughter, but in the world we live in today go fund me will allow them to spend it however they want until the dust settles. This is not a 501c or an estate or a charity.

  7. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    It’s really amusing to read the news 2 weeks ago. Articles meant to scare us showing people all over the boardwalk, horror stories of a salon owner that was symptomatic, police shutting down a woman doing a facebook live broadcast in her shop afterhours, White House pres conferences where they are hammering the administration for coming up with a plant open churches.

  8. Chicago says:

    Grim. I hope you feel better soon

  9. Phoenix says:

    That’s not even enough to pay this child’s college tuition in 14 years with inflation.
    Now that’s a bad lawyer.

    https://www.nj.com/union/2020/06/daughter-of-motorcyclist-killed-in-crash-with-ex-cop-who-admitted-driving-drunk-gets-300k-settlement.html

  10. crushednjmillenial says:

    Grim, I hope you feel better and I am sorry to hear that you are ill.

    I hope you’re taking some Vitamin D.

  11. leftwing says:

    Updated specimen and incidence data. Interesting turn up in percentage positive in the kiddies…Also interesting how few tested, less than 4% of total were children under 17.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/06052020/public-health-lab.html

  12. Libturd says:

    Grim,

    I call dibs on you being my shopping mule. Feel better. In the meantime, when you get some energy back, go lick Pump’s doorknob.

  13. Phoenix says:

    Lib,
    I hope you mean doorknob as in the hardware portion of an actual door.

  14. Libturd says:

    No euphemism intended. Good night.

  15. BoomerRemover says:

    Grim – Please make sure to drop off the njrereport site keys if things turn south! Thaaanks.

  16. Chicago says:

    Lol

    Phoenix says:
    June 7, 2020 at 11:00 pm
    Lib,
    I hope you mean doorknob as in the hardware portion of an actual door.

  17. Juice Box says:

    ABC news on GMA this morning did a segment that shows increased activity in Wuhan that shows the virus may have been there earlier, possibly late summer fo 2019. Satellite photos of of Cars parked around hospital show double the amount of activity, internet searches for cough and other symptoms.

    https://abcnews.go.com/International/satellite-data-suggests-coronavirus-hit-china-earlier-researchers/story?id=71123270&cid=clicksource_4380645_4_three_posts_card_hed

  18. Bystander says:

    First, Grim would have to push away all those contractors who line up at Blumpy’s door, in awe his home’s greatness. They all lick his doorknob.

  19. Juice Box says:

    Deblasio saying he is going to cut the NYPD budget is perhaps the easiest political statement he has ever made, it’s as if he has any choice in the matter. There is a massive budget gap estimated to now be 8 Billion for NYC this means he now needs to go hat in hand to Cuomo and ask to bond and borrow to get anywhere the money needed to continue to run the city. NYC’s Operating cash balance has dropped and he will need to furlough quite of a few of those 330,000 NYC government employees before the wells runs dry and when they cannot fund payroll.

    City cash balance projections.

    https://comptroller.nyc.gov/reports/new-york-city-cash-balance-projection/#:~:text=NYC%20Quarterly%20Cash%20Report&text=As%20of%20May%2029%2C%202020,the%20same%20time%20last%20year.

    And what about those 400,000 taxpayers many well to do that have left New York since Corona virus hit? They won’t be spending in NYC and many may never return shrinking the tax rolls further, life is after all better at the beach.

  20. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “The entire period since 2016 has been a nonstop wave of moral panic and national psychosis. Russiagate, MeToo, Nazi hysteria, with some countervailing panics on the Right as well. Now this. If you allow yourself to get sucked in, it’s very hard to pull yourself back out again”

  21. 3b says:

    Juice Apparently Minneapolis city council is going to vote to disband the police force, and farm out their responsibilities. Some sort of community patrol will handle the public safety piece.

  22. Juice Box says:

    3B – Community Policing, sounds nice..

    We can hold potlucks, volunteer to help our neighbors with simple things like shoveling snow or carrying groceries, and build real relationships. That way, when crises happen, we have other resources to call upon besides the police.

    No worries it will be fine…

  23. 30 year realtor says:

    De-funding the police sounds ominous but likely will be a very similar structure with some limited changes. Trump will make it sound like you will be in imminent danger and the Democrats will make it sound like major reform. In the end it will be difficult to notice much difference.

  24. ExEssex says:

    Nobody but the police really like the police.

  25. ExEssex says:

    Police budgets dwarf budgets for education, health, and human services.

  26. grim says:

    Feeling better this morning, still isolating, waiting for test results. Online doc this AM said that if I don’t have any serious respiratory symptoms at this point, I’m probably in the mild camp. Either way, ignore the test results, the risk of false negative is too high. Gave me my 14 day isolation note. Not sure I really need it, but I’ll save it for posterity.

    Trying to figure out the vector to have contracted anything, and it’s tough. We’re been playing it pretty safe.

  27. 30 year realtor says:

    The slogan should be “demilitarize the police”. Every little town has a SWAT team, armored personnel carriers and heavy weapons. Remember when pistols, shotguns and cars were sufficient?

  28. JUice Box says:

    Essex.

    Too early to be toking.

    NYC 2020 Budget

    Expenditures in Billions:
    Health / Social Services 19,187
    Department of Education / CUNY 28,020
    Uniformed Services 10,868
    All Other 33,704

    Total Expenditures 91,779

    Here is the actual # on Police too.

    Police Department
    Personal Services 5,304,728
    Other Than Personal Services 672,091
    less: intra-city (304,364)
    prior year adjustments (3,631)
    TOTAL DEPT. 5,668,823

    Also for reference NYC annual pension contributions is about $9.5 Billion nearly what they spend on NYPD.

  29. Juice Box says:

    Grim – perhaps it was the working ladies down on Van Houten St in P-Town?

  30. grim says:

    I’m all for defunding government, why stop at the police?

  31. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    Mulshine hit the nail on the head. The single most effective step that could be taken without ludicrous ideas like disbanding the police is to strip away unionization. Strip away unionization from ALL public employees.

    Unionization serves as nothing but a lobbying arm to cover up for employee misconduct. Politicians are then pressured to cover up for misdeeds in order to stay in the unions good graces.

    Government employees who break laws are almost NEVER held accountable. Treat the police like at Will employees so they are responsible for their behavior. Abolish public worker unions now.

  32. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Isn’t that funny, the left calling for defunding the govt? The big govt pushers.

    They want to do defund the police on the basis of corruption…so why stop there? Let’s go get your corrupt community programs.

    grim says:
    June 8, 2020 at 9:36 am
    I’m all for defunding government, why stop at the police?

  33. Hold my beer says:

    Why didn’t nyc furlough employees when they went into lockdown? They would have gotten unemployment plus $600 a week and saved nyc lots of money. Health and building inspectors, permit departments have had nothing to do for over 2 months.

  34. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Fake,

    Please stop. That’s cute thinking, but nonsense.

  35. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Does anyone understand that it’s impossible to stop corruption. Humans are corrupt. Doesn’t matter what system it is, they will corrupt it, that’s what they do. So you can’t stop it, just hope to contain it.

  36. Juice Box says:

    Beer- because they were expecting a bailout. It won’t pass the Senate and since they are no longer kissing the ring it won’t be signed by Trump anyway.

    Expect lots lots of bonding. Nothing like paying short term payroll with long term borrowing…..

  37. Fabius Maximus says:

    For those interested, NYS has opened up campsite bookings this morning. Scored a nice site on a beach in a few weeks.

    Grim, good to hear you are getting better.

  38. 3b says:

    Juice in the end the poor in those communities will be hurt like they always are. It was infuriating to see white kids helping to destroy Black and immigrant neighborhoods, and then go home to their white neighborhoods and grab a Starbucks. Who will be going into theses neighborhoods to help the residents left with the devastation?

  39. Fast Eddie says:

    Bystander, Essex, et. al.,

    I watched this one too. This guitar layer just rips it up. Essex, he goes from pentatonic blues riffs, to arpeggios, to diatonic scales and back again. Once he goes off, the whole band just let’s him go…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R6StQfLNbw

  40. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Fake,

    You know what the source of corruption is…money. Money and power. How in the world do you eliminate it? You can’t.

  41. 3b says:

    Fake I agree take the public sector unions, take away the corruption. They can stand on their own too feet. The corporate pensions and great health care benefits are long gone in the corporate sector, should be the same in public.

  42. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    The Cadillac public healthcare benefits are long gone in our sector. I pay $11k a year for health insurance now and the copays have risen from $0 to $25. They aren’t covering things they should anymore. I have a teacher friend who’s a teacher who has terminal cancer. They took him out of hospice because of the inherent dangers in the hospitals due to coronavirus and the banning of visitors. The school’s health insurance refuses to cover at home nurses.

  43. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Why didn’t nyc furlough employees when they went into lockdown? They would have gotten unemployment plus $600 a week and saved nyc lots of money. Health and building inspectors, permit departments have had nothing to do for over 2 months.

    You expect the mayor to do anything intelligent?

  44. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Said like a true commie or socia!ist. You know that union members fought for these benefits right? You know they pooled their money together year after year to get what they want. So why are you trying to sh!t on their hard work? Because you don’t have it? Go rob the rich on the same basis..comrade.

    3b says:
    June 8, 2020 at 9:56 am
    Fake I agree take the public sector unions, take away the corruption. They can stand on their own too feet. The corporate pensions and great health care benefits are long gone in the corporate sector, should be the same in public.

  45. Fabius Maximus says:

    Funny how Camden is now being discussed as the perfect model for police reform.

  46. grim says:

    That’s the best Floyd cover I’ve ever heard.

  47. Juice Box says:

    3B – Events move faster these days do to social media as it acts as an accelerant. It will be 1984 all over again. Remember the subway back then? It won’t be long now, as people are emboldened, Graffiti everywhere again and the Subway will be the first to go and vigilante justice will return.

    https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/one-of-the-four-men-wounded-by-bernhard-goetz-after-they-news-photo/97334235?adppopup=true

  48. grim says:

    Mulshine hit the nail on the head. The single most effective step that could be taken without ludicrous ideas like disbanding the police is to strip away unionization. Strip away unionization from ALL public employees.

    Hot damn you are going to start a war

  49. grim says:

    The Cadillac public healthcare benefits are long gone in our sector. I pay $11k a year for health insurance now and the copays have risen from $0 to $25. They aren’t covering things they should anymore.

    That’s not really going to elicit much sympathy. My wife went to pick up one of her migraine RX this morning and they tried to charge her $303, with insurance. She said what’s the price for uninsured? $40.

    Prescription drug benefits are slowly being whittled away or intentionally over priced. Walmart or Target with a coupon and no insurance is generally far less expensive than all but the best plans.

  50. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Juice,

    Nice share. Look at the picture of that subway train. That’s what happens when the police force is weak and doesn’t care. When the police force went hard, what happened to nyc? It got better..

    My brain hurts thinking about the ignorance going around. Disband police? What world am I living in?

    How can you have laws if you can’t enforce them? Even if you have a police force, if no one is afraid of them, why would they follow the law?

  51. Libturd the generous says:

    I’ve always said public sector unions should be abolished. There is absolutely no such thing as collective bargaining in a public sector union. Who are they bargaining with? There is only lobbying at best.

  52. The Great Pumpkin says:

    That’s insane. How can it be more money with insurance..the system is broken. Why don’t people riot over this nonsense, but nope.

    “My wife went to pick up one of her migraine RX this morning and they tried to charge her $303, with insurance. She said what’s the price for uninsured? $40.”

  53. 3b says:

    Juice They sure do! And all those proud New Yorkers who have come from elsewhere will see just how bad the city can get.

  54. Fast Eddie says:

    That’s the best Floyd cover I’ve ever heard.

    Check out their other covers – No Quarter – Zep; Whipping Post, Allman bros.

    That guitarist and bassist is off the charts.

  55. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Disband the union. Wait to all political appointees are hired and replace the current workforce. Best part, wait till there is no wage table from the union in place. They can hook them up with as high of a salary as they want.

    Libturd the generous says:
    June 8, 2020 at 10:18 am
    I’ve always said public sector unions should be abolished. There is absolutely no such thing as collective bargaining in a public sector union. Who are they bargaining with? There is only lobbying at best.

  56. No One says:

    Grim,
    I hope you feel better soon. What are your symptoms? This is day 2 or 3?
    I bet you’re fitter than most, so whatever you get, me, and most others would probably fare worse.
    Last time I was in bed with fever, I only had the energy to watch comedy like Norm McDonald’s YouTube shows.

  57. ExEssex says:

    9:54 … niiiice. Not sure I like the vocal.

    I just discovered Apple Music
    Has backing tracks – it’s a huuuge thing.
    Incredibly fun.

  58. Juice Box says:

    3b – In addition to the crime back then there was a suicide every week on the subway, lots and lot of homeless too.

    As far as “just how bad the city can get” the newcomers to NYC got a taste last month and went crazy so Deblasio had to send 1,000 cops plus outreach workers into the subway system to clear things out, as NYC was returning to it’s natural state,the homeless were taking over the subways again.

    https://nypost.com/2020/05/05/over-one-thousand-nypd-cops-set-to-remove-subway-homeless/

  59. grim says:

    This is day 5 as best I can tell.

    Started feeling under the weather on Thursday, general malaise. Progressively worsened through Friday. By Friday afternoon started getting chills, feeling funny. By 7pm or so I gave up and crawled into bed. That transitioned into pretty violent shivering, fever was 101.7 at the highest. Was in bed in fleece pants, sweatshirt, socks – not normal, usually shorts and a tank top. GI symptoms late Friday night. Zero sleep Friday night. Did not get out of bed on Saturday other than to drive myself to get tested, didn’t eat, barely drank. When I drove to the testing site, I fell asleep in the car twice waiting in line. I was still blasting the heat even though it was 80 degrees out (and wearing the same winter getup from the night before). Muscle aches, pains, lower back was awful, headache. No appetite, didn’t really eat anything from Friday afternoon until maybe Sunday afternoon when I had some soup. Wicked night sweats every night so far, soak through the sheets and blankets. Sunday was a little bit better, fever was down. Still fatigued, muscle aches, back is killing me. No real respiratory symptoms other than maybe a psychosomatic tickle or slight wheeze. No fever anymore today. Video call with the doc this morning, said I didn’t look like someone he’d worry about – he was an ER doc from Jersey so I’d trust that judgement call, even though it seems facetious to base a medical diagnosis on how someone looks on a video call.

  60. leftwing says:

    “Apparently Minneapolis city council is going to vote to disband the police force, and farm out their responsibilities. Some sort of community patrol will handle the public safety piece.”

    The officers ought to all just walk out for a week. Go home. Don’t report for work. Stationhouses empty and closed, cars parked. See what happens.

    Give everyone a taste of their stupidity before the main entree.

  61. leftwing says:

    Fab, which campground if you would share.

    Been going on since they presumably opened at 9am, three areas I normally go aren’t available for 2020 reservations. 2021, yes, but not this year.

  62. chicagofinance says:

    NJ Real Estate and Lick Pump’s Doorknob Report

  63. grim says:

    Foot washing

    This isn’t just a christian/catholic thing, is it? I remember this in church as a kid. Assuming just an extension of a religious rite.

  64. 3b says:

    Juice: Riding the 4,5, and 6 trains covered in graffiti so you could not see out. People sitting in fear as fights broke out with young people in the cars. Just praying a cop gets on the next stop. Or the time I was on the 4 train and a guy was shot on the express between 125 to 86 street, everyone screaming running to the cars to escape the guy.
    The people did not live in NYC at the time don’t have a clue.

  65. chicagofinance says:

    I love how the drummer can barely pay attention to what he is doing….. he keep sneaking a peek….. also watching the other three guys heads bouncing in unison …… fcuking fabulous…

    Fast Eddie says:
    June 8, 2020 at 9:54 am
    Bystander, Essex, et. al.,

    I watched this one too. This guitar layer just rips it up. Essex, he goes from pentatonic blues riffs, to arpeggios, to diatonic scales and back again. Once he goes off, the whole band just let’s him go…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R6StQfLNbw

  66. Libturd says:

    You’ll know history is repeating itself if you see stripped cars on the side of the Belt and Cross Island. For the younger people here, back in the day, if you left your car when it broke down, it would be stripped to the frame by the time you got back.

  67. chicagofinance says:

    I always stayed off the 2,3,4,5…… I never had to go north of 96th Street, and I didn’t want any part of that scene….. just remember the dark grey cars, the only color was the ads and the graffiti, circle windows and window frames with the double metal release in the middle….. always 100+ degrees….. the doors at the ends of the cars propped open just to have a breeze……. was easy to avoid panhandlers and people who wanted to fcuk with you because it was so loud that you could pretend not to hear.

    The other thing no one remembers……… the screech of the brakes!

    3b says:
    June 8, 2020 at 11:08 am
    Juice: Riding the 4,5, and 6 trains covered in graffiti so you could not see out. People sitting in fear as fights broke out with young people in the cars. Just praying a cop gets on the next stop. Or the time I was on the 4 train and a guy was shot on the express between 125 to 86 street, everyone screaming running to the cars to escape the guy.
    The people did not live in NYC at the time don’t have a clue.

  68. chicagofinance says:

    42nd Street GCT Lex Avenue IRT platform. Only Hell was hotter….

  69. 3b says:

    Chgo I could not avoid it, had to take the 6 from the Bronx to 125 and switch for the 4/5 express down to Wall Street. Seen it all. Urination, defecation , the most horrific body odors, one could imagine, the heat, the fans blowing with the door open for that subway breeze with that distinctive subway smell. And you had to know your stop because the intercom rarely worked and the train was covered in graffiti.

  70. chicagofinance says:

    Got on the 4 at Wall…… pulled into Fulton and a guy walks on and says “fcuk all you white people”. Drops his pants and starts peeing and starts spinning in a circle…..

  71. 3b says:

    I will also remember the screech of the brakes coming into 14th street!

  72. 3b says:

    Chgo my Sister remembers when a guy was covering his crotch on the train at night, not crowded no one next to him. Got off and left a deposit on the seat.

  73. Phoenix says:

    Another vote for abolishing public unions. Transfer all of their pension plans into a 401k and give them credit for that amount as a one time payment. Of course, after the 200 Billion in debt is paid back.

    Seems to work for everyone else.

  74. 3b says:

    Phoenix: Agreed. No protected class of workers.

  75. Fabius Maximus says:

    Left,

    I got a slot at Hither Hills in Montalk. They had a July 4th, but it was a bad site so I passed on that and took a different week.

    Lots of upstate availability. This place looks good.
    https://newyorkstateparks.reserveamerica.com/camping/bowman-lake-state-park

    Might go up and do a “Sideways” in Clots tasting room.

  76. 3b says:

    I have seen a lot of videos over the weekend of white people looting and vandalizing I hope these little darlings come back and clean up the mess and stop and think about the people whose lives they have destroyed.

  77. DefundPD Now lowers taxes and best for NJ says:

    Regarding Minneapolis PD restructuring. Is no different that what happened in Camden. The city police was useless as 80% of cops were “Bradys”. Meaning they were useless is court as they had a history of lying. So the powers that be created Camden County PD to patrol the same city. A win – win, because you got rid off the problems, kept the best, and new younger, cheaper, non-unionized yet force.

    I expect to see the same in Minneapolis. Merging with the Hennepin County Sheriff and becoming Minneapolis-Hennepin Metro PD or something like that. This is what happened with Dade County Sheriff when they merged with the small cities and unincorporated areas of Dade County, Fl. First becoming Miami Metro Police and now known as Miami-Dade Police.

    This is the perfect “social movement” to give cover to smart politicians in NJ to tackle the multiple highly overpaid small local political connected town police department culture. What is left unspoken is why a Tenafly, a Glen Ridge, a Bloomfield, a Alpine has a department. Is to keep the non-whites out.

    The secret sweetener for politician is the reset cost of salaries. Everything in the pay scales set lower and you start with a batch of cheap fresh recruits.

    And if residents of those towns are so into keeping “wrong” people out. Well create a HOA and seal yourself off and hire private guards.

  78. grim says:

    You’ll know history is repeating itself if you see stripped cars on the side of the Belt and Cross Island. For the younger people here, back in the day, if you left your car when it broke down, it would be stripped to the frame by the time you got back.

    Yeah, but the hip hop was sooo good. Maybe we’ll return to decent music again.

  79. grim says:

    42nd Street GCT Lex Avenue IRT platform. Only Hell was hotter….

    Was it the heat or the rank piss that was worse?

  80. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Protected by the state constitution. Again, after you are done attacking workers that have it better than you, are you going to start attacking the rich that have it better than you?

    Where does it end? Till everyone is equally miserable?

    3b says:
    June 8, 2020 at 12:02 pm
    Phoenix: Agreed. No protected class of workers

  81. Juice Box says:

    NYC subway in the summer heat is it’s own circle in a modern day Dante’s inferno.
    I always used to look for the tourists reactions as they descended the stairs to that circle in hell. Just before the refreshing blast of hot air pushed by the trains the platform’s air can be a still 100 degrees while lingering smells invade your nostrils. Hot Garbage mixed with the burning smell of train equipment, creosote from the railroad ties, human smells of sweat and urine and rat feces. In my day I have seen a few people cry when that smell hit them, it’s something that has never changed in NYC and nothing compares on any other city subway system I have ridden on.

  82. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The problem with this country right now…bunch of mouth breathers that want to make their life better by attacking other groups and taking from them….all in the name of equality. The f’ing irony and hypocrisy at play.

    Your life is not great because (insert group to blame).

    My life will be great because we will attack (insert group name) and take it from them.

    None of these losers want to take the high road and work hard to learn valuable skills so they can get a good job. None of these losers want to work hard, come up with a business idea, and put it to work to improve their lot in life.

    They rather take, than create, and here lies the problem..

  83. Fast Eddie says:

    72% of black kids are born out of wedlock.

    Umm… as far as fixing things goes, shouldn’t this be step one?

  84. The Great Pumpkin says:

    This mindset will destroy our country in the long run. It’s a horrible disease that slowly takes down a country.

    This is what happens when people are not working and sitting around. Then add social media to the mix. Now you just mobilized idiots. Good job.

  85. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Well, Eddie, they believe worrying about white privileged racists will do more for their pocket and bottom line. I really wish I could get them to see the power of life choices. No one wants to own it, it feels better to blame.

    Fast Eddie says:
    June 8, 2020 at 1:12 pm
    72% of black kids are born out of wedlock.

    Umm… as far as fixing things goes, shouldn’t this be step one?

  86. ExEssex says:

    12:51 autoTune bets that you won’t.

  87. Juice Box says:

    Defund – ” Is to keep the non-whites out.”

    Are you so sure? I thought the zoning, the high cost of housing and high taxes do that. This is plenty of diversity in Tenafly,Alpine and Bloomfield, you just have your blinders on, go look a the census stats. The only town on your list is that even looks as you describe is Glen Ridge.

    I am all for getting rid of home rule and consolidating services. Too bad all roads lead to Trenton for that to actually happen.

  88. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Think about this..

    How would white privilege work out if they made similar choices as African Americans:

    Knocking up multiple women, and not being there to raise a child. Disrespect education and cut school instead of going to school. Never really learn how to read at grade level or do advanced math. Join gangs and recruit other teenagers into your gang.

    Racism could never ever do as much harm as these choices being made. Sometimes you have to see the big picture instead of blaming your current state of life on others.

    There are problems and issues associated with racism, but let’s not blame it on everything. You have to own your choices. If whites were keeping them out of college or k-12 schools, that’s a problem, but when white communities are throwing tons of money to help them get educated and they throw it away, who’s fault is that?

  89. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Another problem, having kids when you can’t afford them. I didn’t have the luxury of having a kid when I was young. I had to sacrifice and wait till I was 33.

    People with 3 kids by 3 different fathers at the age of 25 are going to blame racism for holding them down? Are you kidding me?!

  90. grim says:

    If you haven’t yet added the word performative to your daily lexicon, get ready.

    Now part of the hyper left lexicon, up there with dog whistle, gas light, and others.

    Adjective. Pejorative. Used to denigrate opposing schools of thought.

    Performative Allyship
    Performative Christianity
    Performative Activism
    Performative Protest

  91. JCer says:

    Grim, those are fairly typical covid symptoms, I had the same. You are out of the woods based on my experience. Once the fever and the chills/sweats go away you feel much better, the muscle/joint pains go away next and you’ll feel pretty good just a bit tired. The COVID headache sucks, it is a persistent headache for 5+ days, not fun. It is like a really bad, really weird case of the flu. The respiratory issues are weird. Grim, any racing heart rate or elevated blood pressure? That was the weird symptom I had.

    This whole de-fund the police thing is the dumbest idea ever presented and I don’t care what they are talking about doing. The police need reforms but we cannot tear down what we have, as for SWAT we need those people and they are not the problem. All the studies bear out that risk of fatalities in encounters with police are not really higher for people of color. Furthermore the only outcome of BLM has been some cops executed, now riots, and increased crime in predominantly black urban communities. This is the opposite of progress…..

    If urban blacks want to increase their quality of life and economic prospects, the answer is more police and less criminality full stop. George Floyd had enough fentanyl in his system that he could have been undergoing open surgery, was flying high on meth while covid positive, behind the wheel of a car. It doesn’t make it right but Owens is spot on, he was not a paragon of virtue and had some responsibility in his demise, it was not as if the cops killed some random guy on the street and it wasn’t about the $20 bill. It was about the fact that the guy was high as a kite, Floyd might have been alive today had he not been high just the same as if the officers didn’t put him in a chokehold. I actually fee bad for the other officers, they were all rookies, they were following orders from the commanding officer and it was likely the first time they experienced a 6″6 guy tweaking on meth. Chauvin took it toor far but they also were having problems getting the guy under control.

    I cannot believe what is going on this country and how everyone is responding. It is as if everyone has lost their mind. Between the rioting, the defense of the rioting, all of this happening while we are in the middle of a pandemic, people can’t go to work but will crowd in the street to protest statistically insignificant fatal police encounters. I have this argument with people including my wife. We need to focus on real problems and real solutions, what we are doing is not productive. Police do have bias against POC, it doesn’t impact police fatalities but it does lead to increased police encounters for POC. Lets start there, lets work to eliminate police brutality and lets work to find a way to peacefully collect drug addicts because when the cops get involved it just escalates. Lets try to address real problems rather than false narratives that grab headlines. Prosecuting drug use has been a failure, if this happened in a rural area chances are Floyd passes out in a barn or a field, out on the street it is a different animal entirely. We need to collect these people and get them off of the street not arrest them, it’s more of a public health issue than a criminal issue.

  92. DefundPD NJ Now says:

    JCr,

    I mean look at the DefundPD restructuring like Carl Icahn or KKR or Carlyle Group would go after a Occidental Petroleum or Toys R Us.

    Most PD are set in their ways and are costly. A smart politician would be able to use the social movement to re-structure it a la Wall Street, this was what allowed Camden’s restructuring. It needed to be done and the numbers worked.

  93. JCer says:

    Eddie, broken parents tend to make broken children. Single parent households are a major issue as it effectively is less than one parent as the parent must not only do all the parenting but typically needs to work more to try to provide. As much as I hate to agree with Pumps, the data really does prove out what he is saying. Under a racist segregationist system at least economically Black’s were better off. The pattern of behavior more so than racism is to blame for the economic predicament many black folks find themselves in.

    I know some fairly successful black folks, the common theme is a focus on education(similar to Asians and Jews) and strong family units even if they came from somewhat broken homes. They are raising their children with everything they didn’t get from their parents, teaching them that education is the key and why they have a nice life.

    Furthermore to Pumps point about blame. MLK and Malcom X and a whole bunch of other leaders pointed it YEARS ago. When other groups were excluded they built their own, their own businesses, their own establishment, their own country clubs, their own wealthy. Black folks have fallen down there, they paid no attention to what these men were telling them. We should see more black owned businesses, but we do not see them. Again back to successful black people, they tend to extricate themselves from their communities in a large way as they are treated almost with contempt for their sucess.

  94. Fabius Maximus says:

    Gary,

    Dont think that is really relevent.
    Sweden has about a 60% rate, Even Ireland clocks in around 30%.

  95. chicagofinance says:

    I’m sure 3b will back me up…….. hands down the worst smelling train station was the lower level express platform of the Lex IRT at 59th Street. There must have been a broken sewage pipe or something, but it was out of control…… always bad, so thick you could cut the air. I mean it was crazy….. I remember being back down their about 2002-4 after not going through in several years and being shocked…… they still hadn’t figure out how to fix it.

    Juice Box says:
    June 8, 2020 at 1:10 pm
    NYC subway in the summer heat is it’s own circle in a modern day Dante’s inferno.
    I always used to look for the tourists reactions as they descended the stairs to that circle in hell. Just before the refreshing blast of hot air pushed by the trains the platform’s air can be a still 100 degrees while lingering smells invade your nostrils. Hot Garbage mixed with the burning smell of train equipment, creosote from the railroad ties, human smells of sweat and urine and rat feces. In my day I have seen a few people cry when that smell hit them, it’s something that has never changed in NYC and nothing compares on any other city subway system I have ridden on.

  96. 3b says:

    Chgo You nailed it! 59th the worst!! And the escalator from hell, coming up from the express track. It was out of service more often than not. Must of been 100 stairs up!

  97. Libturd, master of bridge & tunnel says:

    What are you doing at 59th? There’s nothing there.

  98. Libturd says:

    And those stations are crazy deep underground.

  99. chicagofinance says:

    Here is the 7 Ave Local at the old South Ferry station circa 1984……
    https://youtu.be/JLyDJTk4tIo?t=139

  100. BoomerRemover says:

    My coworker tested positive for antibodies. Her husband’s test just came back as negative. Think about it same bed, same house, same dishes… either false negative or this spread has a mind of its own.

  101. 3b says:

    Lib Bloomberg is there, and Bloomingdales is there for the shoppers. Alexander’s was there too back in the day.

  102. Fat F.uck Fast Eddie says:

    Sweden has about a 60% rate

    Is there a father present despite 6 out of 10 born out of wedlock? If not, then is the rate of poverty/strife/crime in Sweden proportional to what exists in the black community here in the US? If the answer to the latter is no, then is it an innate issue? Instinctual? Does race alone play a factor in ones actions? Regardless, I say let’s reduce that 72% for starters and in 20 years, we can determine if there’s a difference.

  103. Fat F.uck Fast Eddie says:

    My coworker tested positive for antibodies. Her husband’s test just came back as negative.

    Dead bedroom.

  104. BoomerRemover says:

    Fk fast eddie,
    I agree, thought implicit when I listed dishes, etc… either way prolonged close contact and bonus if yelling involved.

    ICU PA couple, both got it, different hospitals early March, kids never showed, either a-sympt or same non-transmission.

  105. 3b says:

    Fast very out of character for you! Just saying.

  106. chicagofinance says:

    Major connection for trains to Queens…

    3b says:
    June 8, 2020 at 3:11 pm
    Lib Bloomberg is there, and Bloomingdales is there for the shoppers. Alexander’s was there too back in the day.

  107. Fat F.uck Fast Eddie says:

    3b,

    What’s out of character? lol.

  108. 3b says:

    Fast: just never heard you comment on that topic before! Just keeping it light!

  109. 3b says:

    Chgo: That’s right they are all there.

  110. joyce says:

    Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is ‘very rare,’ WHO says
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

    “Government responses should focus on detecting and isolating infected people with symptoms, the World Health Organization said.”

  111. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Wow…Lol

    ‪If it has nothing to do with choices being made, how is that African Americans growing up in the same conditions and environment are able to go on to become wealthy? Why didn’t racism hold them back? How were they able to get ahead? Oh right, make good choices..‬ but let’s ignore that.

    Fat F.uck Fast Eddie says:
    June 8, 2020 at 3:53 pm
    3b,

    What’s out of character? lol.

  112. ExEssex says:

    If I could be a camera: https://youtu.be/9sBVX9kRmBE

  113. ExEssex says:

    4:34 yeeeeesh.

    The term “institutional racism” was first coined and first used in 1967 by Stokely Carmichael (later known as Kwame Ture) and Charles V. Hamilton in Black Power: The Politics of Liberation.[1] Carmichael and Hamilton wrote:

    that while individual racism is often identifiable because of its overt nature, institutional racism is less perceptible because of its “less overt, far more subtle” nature. Institutional racism “originates in the operation of established and respected forces in the society, and thus receives far less public condemnation than [individual racism]”.[2] They gave examples.

    When terrorists bomb a black church and kill five black children, that is an act of individual racism, widely deplored by most segments of the society. But when in that same city – Birmingham, Alabama – five hundred black babies die each year because of the lack of proper food, shelter and medical facilities, and thousands more are destroyed and maimed physically, emotionally and intellectually because of conditions of poverty and discrimination in the black community, that is a function of institutional racism. When a black family moves into a home in a white neighborhood and is stoned, burned or routed out, they are victims of an overt act of individual racism which most people will condemn. But it is institutional racism that keeps black people locked in dilapidated slum tenements, subject to the daily prey of exploitative slumlords, merchants, loan sharks and discriminatory real estate agents. The society either pretends it does not know of this latter situation, or is in fact incapable of doing anything meaningful about it.

  114. The Great Pumpkin says:

    And does the same thing not happen to (insert race) that moves into an Asian, white, Latino, or African American community? It only happens to african Americans?

    Telling me that if I move to Paterson, my daughter is not going to be bullied for being white?

    “When a black family moves into a home in a white neighborhood and is stoned, burned or routed out, they are victims of an overt act of individual racism which most people will condemn”

  115. Juice Box says:

    Not looking good for NJ..

    AG’s Office Releases Audio and Video Recordings Related to Police Custody Killing of Maurice Gordon

    Transcript released of shooting.

    Interaction in Bass River, New Jersey

    Recording 09: “Stop 4 MVR – Pt. A.” At approximately 6:26 a.m., Sgt. Wetzel stopped Mr. Gordon for speeding on the southbound Garden State Parkway near Exit 50 in Bass River, New Jersey. Sgt. Wetzel started to write a ticket for Mr. Gordon, who had allegedly been driving 110 miles per hour. During the stop, Mr. Gordon’s vehicle became disabled in the left shoulder and Sgt. Wetzel called a tow truck. While they waited for the tow truck to arrive, Sgt. Wetzel asked Mr. Gordon if he would prefer to sit in the back seat of Sgt. Wetzel’s vehicle, and Mr. Gordon stated that he would. (NOTE: The beginning of the recording depicts footage from Sgt. Wetzel’s forward-facing MVR camera, which shows Mr. Gordon’s car stopped on the southbound Parkway. Once Mr. Gordon enters the back seat of Sgt. Wetzel’s vehicle, the car’s backward-facing MVR camera becomes the primary camera view. A diagram depicting the approximate location of the two vehicles is included with the materials posted as part of this release.)

    Recording 10: “Stop 4 MVR – Pt. B (redacted).” Recording 10 is a continuation of the MVR footage captured by Sgt. Wetzel’s vehicle, as described in Recording 9. After a total of approximately 21 minutes inside Sgt. Wetzel’s vehicle, Mr. Gordon exited the vehicle when Sgt. Wetzel attempted to offer him a mask, resulting in a confrontation with Sgt. Wetzel. During this confrontation, Mr. Gordon attempted to enter the driver seat of Sgt. Wetzel’s vehicle on two occasions. After the first occasion, Sgt. Wetzel deployed oleoresin capsicum (OC) spray. After the second occasion, Sgt. Wetzel removed Mr. Gordon from the vehicle and, after a physical struggle on the left shoulder of the southbound Parkway, Sgt. Wetzel shot and killed Mr. Gordon with his service weapon. Sgt. Wetzel fired six times and then placed handcuffs on Mr. Gordon. (NOTE: The backward-facing camera footage shows a reversed or “mirror image” of the events captured because the camera was set to record in that manner. Consistent with Department practice, the audio component of the recording has been partially redacted to remove the sound that Mr. Gordon makes immediately upon being shot.)

    https://www.insidernj.com/ags-office-releases-audio-video-recordings-related-police-custody-killing-maurice-gordon/

  116. JCer says:

    Pumps, as someone about your age. I grew up in a wealthy town we had a couple of token blacks, they were accepted with open arms. Granted they were all wealthy but if anything people thought the black kids were cool because they were black or were the child of an athlete or celebrity.

    The reality is that this day in age when/where is this still happening? if you have money and a bit of class people don’t care as much about race anymore. I’m not talking about dating, marriage, etc as I’m sure quite a few folks don’t want black grand babies.

    Truth be told a good portion of black folks don’t move to majority white neighborhoods not because they will be discriminated against but because it makes them uncomfortable.

  117. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You know this comes down to bad cops, not racism.

    In nj, are there racist people? Sure. Do I witness racism? No. Why? Most people in nj look down upon racism. If they are racist, they are uneducated and poor. I can’t show up to a family and friends party and start saying racist crap, no one will approve it. So how racism is used to blame for the state of the African American community is beyond me. Maybe it’s politicians and activists trying to get their votes, but I just don’t get how whites are using racism to hold down the African American community is beyond me. I don’t know about other states, but in nj, it’s def not cool to hold someone down based on the color of their skin. People take it serious around this state.

    Look at this blog. How quick are people to put down any type of racism on here? But what do I know…

  118. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Amen. This is exactly how I feel. Growing up in our generation, it was taboo to be racist. It wasn’t something cool. People look at it as one of the worst things you can do. I’m being sincerely honest. So it blows my mind that we are blaming racism for the state of African Americans in our state.

    How did racism specifically hold them back in this state? Were they not allowed to go to school? Were they not allowed to go to college? Were they not allowed to buy homes anywhere they want? Where they not able to get jobs? What exactly is holding them back..what is the white community doing to them? What?! Can someone please give me an example?

    JCer says:
    June 8, 2020 at 5:34 pm
    Pumps, as someone about your age. I grew up in a wealthy town we had a couple of token blacks, they were accepted with open arms. Granted they were all wealthy but if anything people thought the black kids were cool because they were black or were the child of an athlete or celebrity.

    The reality is that this day in age when/where is this still happening? if you have money and a bit of class people don’t care as much about race anymore. I’m not talking about dating, marriage, etc as I’m sure quite a few folks don’t want black grand babies.

    Truth be told a good portion of black folks don’t move to majority white neighborhoods not because they will be discriminated against but because it makes them uncomfortable.

  119. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I know I have never held back an opportunity to anyone based on the color of their skin Oh, black salesman, I can’t work with him. Who does that? I have never witnessed it in this state or anywhere.

  120. ExEssex says:

    What you guys are referring to is a tribalism or segregation based on beliefs and race.
    It’s fairly common. Let’s just not forget who hold most of the cards. I think the disruption is as much about being marginalized as it is about being abused. We can all agree that the playing field is uneven as far as attaining the American Dream.

  121. chicagofinance says:

    Yeah, but WTF was wrong with that guy?

    You focused here
    Interaction in Bass River, New Jersey

    But what about all the whacko sh!t before it….. all which was likely logged into the system, so the cop that killed him was well aware that this dude was somehow off the rails……

    Juice Box says:
    June 8, 2020 at 5:19 pm
    Not looking good for NJ..

  122. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I def agree that the playing field is not even. I used to dwell on it, but then I matured in my thinking. I now understand life is not fair and never will be. It’s about playing the hand you are dealt to the best of your ability. If you don’t play the hand you were dealt, and instead cry about how unfair it is; guess who loses out…you. No one cares or feels sorry for you, the faster you realize it, the better off you will be. Play the game to what you can control, and do not waste precious time making excuses. Just figure out how to move forward and progress with what cards you have, and play hard. Never give up. Simple as that.

    Busting your behind in school and going to college to become a doctor guarantees you a good life. So figure out how to get there and go with it, never giving up till you get there. Who can stop you? How can racism stop you from becoming a doctor and helping the world?

  123. chicagofinance says:

    To reiterate…. friend calls 911 on him…. runs out of gas 2x…. caught speeding at 101…. caught speeding 110…. tries to steal police patrol vehicle… the 4 stoppages on the GSP were all within 40 miles…. WTF?

  124. JCer says:

    ExEssex, the playing field has never been even, not sure if it ever can be but at the moment it is as level as it has ever been. Want to go to college, if you have some aptitude you will be welcomed no matter what your race, truthfully there is still some schools doing affirmative action, so in higher-ed if you want an education you can get one regardless of race. If you are educated most of these companies will give you a job regardless of race. Finally if you can make someone money they are not going to hold your race against you, the only color that matters is green. The american dream is alive for all races in largely the same way.

    What does exist is bias, people look at black people and assume they have less money, assume they are less intelligent overall and yes assume some are criminals for no other reason than the color of their skin and the way they look. In order to counter this to achieve they need the resume to prove they are smart, are hard working etc. For asians or white folks it’s more likely to be assumed. The good news is where it counts it is usually not based on first impression but rather qualifications and how you conduct yourself.

  125. ExEssex says:

    Jersey is light years ahead of many places in that regard.

    https://youtu.be/7aSbf406xaw

  126. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Maybe that’s why I really don’t see it..

    That song is 🔥

  127. 3b says:

    Jcer Those token Blacks are what I call Xmas tree ornaments, makes these wealthy people feel good about themselves . But if it was a low and moderate income housing filled with Black and Hispanics, and White truck drivers and bus drivers, nurses etc, they would not want them.

  128. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The National Bureau of Economic Research, which determines recessions, said the U.S. peaked in February.
    That brought to an end a 128-month expansion, the longest in post-World War II history.
    The bureau cited the “unprecedented magnitude of the decline in employment and production, and its broad reach across the entire economy.”

  129. homeboken says:

    You want to move the needle in a big, big way, in advancing the opportunity needle for minorities.

    School choice. That alone will increase the # of black graduates 5x.

    Just let the money follow the student, and let the student/parent choose. If there was ever a time to pass school choice, it is now.

    Secondary benefit of allowing certain schools poor performance to be highlighted via low enrollment.

  130. NeedNoEducation becauseIatemymeatandpudding says:

    Homeboken,

    Not just school choice. But English upper class style boarding school starting about 7+.
    Generally is has being described as miserable and emotionally removed by the english upper class that went there.

    However, when you take into account those minorities poor kids that would go will encounter a new education and achievement oriented point of view world, which along from the separation from the pathological home environment will make the real difference.

    That creep Zuckenberg, should have taken his $100 million and bought out excellent financially failing boarding school and send the kids there.

  131. grim says:

    Folks, just got word that covid is cancelled, CNN has more important things to cover now.

  132. grim says:

    Love Samuel L Jackson, good showing on CNN.

  133. grim says:

    Mayor of Minneapolis and the president of the city council look like kids.

  134. 3b says:

    We had Black and Puerto Rican kids in my Catholic high school in the Bronx, and we all graduated. And there was all discrimination; we all
    Got the shit kicked out of us by the Brothers.

  135. Fabius Maximus says:

    Grim, I’ll call BS on that study. Not quite sure how to explain the statistics but:

    O+ is the dominant Blood group in the world. So in the US we have 37% O+. My Blood group kicks in around 6%. Given that there has been such as disparity in testing, there is a good chance that the individual silos tested do not match.There is more chance that O+ is trending higher on negative given more people in the sample pool actually being testing with that blood type and how many are tested with not testing positive.

  136. Fabius Maximus says:

    Never got into the Pixies and after watching that Bass line, I’m starting to understand. It just doesn’t work for me.

    But to continue the Guitar theme. I had an “acquaintance” in college. We all hung around in the same group but he was a bit of a D1ck. He was a great guitar player, I will give him that, and could play most stuff with a pick. I’m not a great player, but I can finger pick and play claw foot. and it used to drive him nuts.

    Here is one of the greatest displays of guitar work ever. If we were still talking to that guy today, I would send it over and say “Keep Practicing!”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyFf_pBcVOQ

  137. Fabius Maximus says:

    Sorry, forgot to add, you can see the big disparity in techniques at the end when Joe Walsh and Don Felder go into the solos!

    Acoustic strips it down to talent.

  138. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Fab, that’s the best part…goes so hard!!

    “Never got into the Pixies and after watching that Bass line, I’m starting to understand.”

  139. Chicago says:

    Gordon’s friend, whose name is redacted, called police in New York at 3:23 a.m. saying Gordon had just left his residence and was “panicked,” referencing a paranormal experience

  140. Grim says:

    It was the fourth time Gordon had interacted with police on the Garden State Parkway that morning, according to a description of the videos released by the Attorney General’s Office.

    Gordon’s car became disabled two other times after he ran out of gas — once in Brick at 3:13 am and again at 4:52 a.m. in Waretown. In both instances, police arrived to assist him and called tow trucks. Those interactions were recorded on the dashcams. He was also pulled over driving 101 mph on the Garden State Parkway in Stafford at 6:13 a.m., which was also captured on video. He received a ticket and continued driving.

  141. Grim says:

    This kind of behavior is often seen in stroke patients. How can someone drive 101 and not crash, but not recognize they need to stop for gas?

    It’s a kind of reflex action driven by long term memory, and doesn’t require cognitive decision making. It’s why you can drive while being distracted without immediately running off the road.

    Especially given he ran out of gas more than once. Pretty sure you learn that lesson once on a trip. But not if there is some kind of brain injury.

  142. Grim says:

    Put the whole thing in context after the fact – stands out that there is some serious issue.

  143. Grim says:

    Paranormal experience a common sign of stroke as well.

  144. crushednjmillenial says:

    Hypocrite Murphy attends protest while still keeping the barber shops closed. Republican lawmaker writes letter to NJ State Police Chief asking that Murphy be charged with violating Murphy’s own executive order.

    “Dozens of businesses have been cited for failing to adhere to Murphy’s directive and the leaders of at least two anti-lockdown demonstrations in April were charged with violating the stay-at-home order.”

    https://www.politico.com/states/new-jersey/story/2020/06/08/murphy-walking-tightrope-between-encouraging-activists-maintaining-public-health-1291897

    For logical coherence, it needs to be either open businesses and open protests, or closed businesses and closed protests. Open protests and closed businesses doesn’t make any sense.

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