C19 Open Discussion Week 13b

From NJ101.5:

‘Reopen our economy now’ — Mayors complain that NJ moving too slow

Mayors of 20 of Ocean County’s 33 municipalities sent a letter Friday to Murphy calling on him to “open our economy now,” complaining that the Democratic governor is not moving fast enough.

The group, which includes mayors from both parties, said, “The time to lift or relax restrictions on all commerce is now.”

The mayors wrote that businesses and individuals have learned to adjust to the pandemic and should be trusted to act responsibly.

“It is in everyone’s best interest to allow those that want to work and spend to be free to do so. The shore and the state of New Jersey can ill afford to lose an entire summer season. We realize your restrictions are being lessened in phases, but that is not quick enough. These actions need to happen immediately, or the chance of reopening will no longer exist for many of our businesses.”

The Ocean County mayors follow similar protests by a growing list of municipal leaders in the group Mayors for Main Street, which launched in May with Republican officials in Somerset County and has grown to include additional mayors in Middlesex, Morris, Union and Warren.

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180 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 13b

  1. Hold my beer says:

    First again

  2. grim says:

    Great read, Siddhartha Mukherjee is one of my favorite authors. Emperor of all Maladies may be one of the best pop sci books ever written. He’s up there with Oliver Sachs, Steven Hawking, and Carl Sagan.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/06/09/magazine/covid-vaccine.html

  3. Juice Box says:

    66 yr old Curtis Sliwa still looking strong took a bicycle to the head and was still standing.

    https://nypost.com/2020/06/08/guardian-angels-defend-manhattan-foot-locker-from-looters-video/

  4. Juice Box says:

    Wasn’t just looting in the Bronx

    We were stuck trying to securely close the store but looters came in hordes and forced open our store gate and flooded in. We tried to get out. We tried to keep important items safe. But they saw. As we tried to get into our car, they attacked us. They smashed our windows. They attacked with crowbars, pipes, and bricks. They pulled my mom from the car. As my boyfriend Chao held onto her, they broke her leg. My jewelry, shoes, and phone were torn from me as they pulled me out from the trunk of the car while Chao tried to hold me in. My dad tried to fight them off and when we were finally able to drive away, they followed us. They got into their cars and tried to ram us off the road. We sped towards the police barricade and as the police surrounded us the looters drove away.

    https://www.gofundme.com/f/Rebuilding-Fordham-GoldCashIncKingsJewlery

  5. 3b says:

    Juice Guardian Angels were big back in the day. Looks like they may Be needed again.

  6. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “Now even Bernie canceled by left-wing revolutionaries, sad”

    “The “revolution” (to overthrow what exactly? The United States government? 😂) will be led by chronically under-employed left-wing comedy podcasters in Brooklyn with personality disorders”

  7. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Good ducking job riling all these people up, Dems. Didn’t take out trump, but took out your party. This is what happens when your party caters to extremists.

  8. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You just realized that now?! This isn’t about african Americans, it’s a power grab.

    “Tucker Carlson: Minneapolis mayor’s humiliation shows ‘Black Lives Matter is, in fact, a political party’”

    https://apple.news/A3QGAvE8rSIGrWWxz7KKbuA

  9. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “Carlson said perhaps the most “telling moment” of the interaction came moments before Frey was booed away from the crowd, when the lead demonstrator threatened to defeat him in the next election.
    “What does that tell you?” he asked. “It tells you that Black Lives Matter is, in fact, a political party. Maybe the strongest political party of the United States as of tonight.”

  10. Yo! says:

    Out for my pre-WFH jog this morning. Busiest I’ve seen streets in months. Traffic not back to normal but there are more cars, and especially contractors’ vans, on the streets. Train station parking lot 1/3 full versus empty for past several months. Cars dropping off commuters and I haven’t seen that in a while. Always lots of joggers but more this morning.

    One sad scene. Taxi pulled into convenience store lot and driver went to dumpster looking inside for stuff.

    I hope the stock market is right and a V-Shape recovery is beginning.

    Location: middle to upper class suburb.

  11. Juice Box says:

    This is just stupid, it is not commercially viable, so they are going to use taxpayer money city electricity and city water to grow vegetables indoors? Stuff that grows outside for with free sunlight and rain water?

    The Jersey City City Council will vote Wednesday on a resolution granting a three-year contract with AeroFarms, which grows primarily leafy greens, including kale and arugula, for nearly $1 million.

    https://www.nj.com/hudson/2020/06/jersey-city-to-launch-nations-first-municipal-vertical-farming-program-to-promote-healthy-eating.html

  12. Hold my beer says:

    Yo!

    In states where dumpster diving is legal people will go to chain stores dumpsters and pull out things to sell online. Some people also source their shipping material from dumpsters

  13. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    Phil got his photo op, now let’s see if he gets a virus.

    Everything should be 100% open today. He’s lost his authority on the subject.

  14. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    He really lucked out that they didn’t burn down and loots the businesses in NJ.

  15. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    This is just stupid, it is not commercially viable, so they are going to use taxpayer money city electricity and city water to grow vegetables indoors? Stuff that grows outside for with free sunlight and rain water?

    The Jersey City City Council will vote Wednesday on a resolution granting a three-year contract with AeroFarms, which grows primarily leafy greens, including kale and arugula, for nearly $1 million.

    https://www.nj.com/hudson/2020/06/jersey-city-to-launch-nations-first-municipal-vertical-farming-program-to-promote-healthy-eating.html

    I actually do this in my basement as a hobby. I grow basil and salad greens during the winter. This is what happens when you don’t have to pay for your own school system. Millions of dollars for pet projects with politically connected people.

  16. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    In states where dumpster diving is legal people will go to chain stores dumpsters and pull out things to sell online. Some people also source their shipping material from dumpsters

    There was huge money in this 20 years ago. Sephora would literally throw out tons of boxes of perfectly good products that they wanted off the shelves. A lot of it was still in their original boxes that they were shipped in.

    The same goes for Hallmark cards. The Hallmark employees at every store like BJs and Wal-Mart were required to throw all the cards in the trash at the location. We have a relative that used to work for Hallmark and have shelves and shelves of cards all organized for any occasion. It got so bad that I gave a few crates away to coworkers.

    Nowadays, they are required to destroy them.

  17. Juice Box says:

    Blue – The manufacturers have agreements with the retailers that they will give full credit for unsold or damaged merchandise so the retailers destroy unsold items so that it cannot be picked from the trash and sold in second-hand stores or e-bay as NEW. It cost too much money to ship it back, plus many manufacturers ship from the factories direct and do not maintain inventory here.

    The supply chains don’t work if there is no margin for this shrink, and if you can buy the looted new iPhone on ebay why go to the store and pay full price? Hense the Bricked looted iPhones from the riots last week, nobody maintains a supply chain and profit margin better than Apple.

  18. Hold my beer says:

    BRT

    When those cards turn 20 years old you can sell them on etsy to hipsters as new old stock.

  19. Bystander says:

    Yo

    Do you really believe stock market is indicator of anything but trillions being poured in by Fed? Let’s be real. 15-20% unemployment should never be a positive sign for market. It is a ploy to make people feel rich again while hundreds of billions fed to already wealthy elite. We’ve had risk off capitalism for a decade now.

    “I hope the stock market is right and a V-Shape recovery is beginning.”

  20. grim says:

    The companies hired to destroy these items in NY/NJ are run by the mob.

    It mostly gets resold.

  21. Phoenix says:

    Isn’t looting just a form of capitalism?

  22. Hold my beer says:

    Grim

    Maybe that’s why cosmetics along with Team beachbody and Rosetta stone are one of the things most likely to get you banned from selling on amazon and ebay or at least hit with an intellectual property claim. Lots of counterfeit and stolen cosmetics online.

    I’ve seen youtube videos of people driving around scooping up supplements and over the counter medicines on clearance to resell on amazon. Made a note to self only buy those things if they are sold by Amazon or an authorized seller.

  23. Juice Box says:

    I parked cars for cash at the Woodcliff Lake Hilton 30 years ago, was a great gig lots of fancy wedding there at the time. At one Mob wedding (transfer stations, commercial pickup routes etc ) the old man came out to our Valet Stand and started handing out hundred dollar bills to the four of us working that night. I told the old mobster he forgot about “Jimmy” who was out in the lot at the time. I walked away that night with $200 from the old man and at least $200 more from the wedding party. Many it feels good to be a gangsta, even got to drive a White Testarossa that night.

  24. Fast Eddie says:

    What happened to Yahoo? This was my home page for many years but the last few years look like the George Soros leftist lackeys are writing every article. Is there a middle of the road news browser type page as an alternative? MSN maybe? Anyone?

  25. Juice Box says:

    re: “stolen cosmetics online”

    Grab and Dash has been on the rise for years now since credit card fraud is much tougher. Retailers train employees not to engage the gangs or even report these crimes immediately.

    Everything is recorded, compiled and shared between retailers today with law enforcement. Eventually law enforcement catches up with the gangs with enough evidence for felony charges. It works until the next bunch of gang members crop up and they do just like the spring comes every year.

  26. homeboken says:

    Phoenix – It isn’t looting, the preferred nomenclature is “Undocumented Shopping”

  27. chicagofinance says:

    Have you seen the action in Hertz and Chesapeake stock? Those companies have declared Chapter 11 and look…….. I have another item to post.

    Yo! says:
    June 9, 2020 at 9:08 am
    I hope the stock market is right and a V-Shape recovery is beginning.

  28. Chicago says:

    It’s official – with yesterday’s continued market rally, the S&P 500 is now back to positive territory on a year-to-date basis. That means we’ve essentially gone through two entire market cycles in the span of four months – a process which has historically taken four years to compete. Of course, with such a fierce rally back over the past 2.5 months, there have been clear signs of “froth” in the market. First, beaten down, cyclical pockets of the market have been leading the major averages as of late. That includes companies like Hertz and Chesapeake – both of which have declared bankruptcy – gaining 115% and 182% just yesterday. Other non-bankrupt companies in troubled sectors such as cruise lines and airlines have seen sharp rallies as well, as investors seem to view stimulus as providing a “free option” on their business survival. For example, shares of Carnival Cruise and United Airlines have nearly doubled in the past month. Also of note are continued troubling signs from retail investors. Reports indicate we’ve seen a record amount of zero cost online trading accounts being opened in the past month with an associated surge in small lot options trading. Also in regards to options, data collected at the end of last week showed overall equity positioning in options markets are more bullish than at any point in the past decade. Lastly, we note the average year end price target for equity strategists on the S&P 500 stands at 2933. The 10%+ gap between that number and the current level of the index (3232) is the highest since 1999 (just before the tech bubble).

  29. chicagofinance says:

    To be clear….. the above means nothing…… it is just information…..

  30. chicagofinance says:

    You need to step back and use your own thesis…..

    I see Trump using the S&P 500 as a report card. Due to the COVID crisis, he has the ability to circumvent normal (rational?) capital controls from Congress. He has a very competent team – Mnuchin, Powell, Pompeo and Barr, but they know who the boss is.

    I don’t see what prevents the fire hose of money from being on full blast until November……. BUT THAT SAID……. it should not be this easy….. I generally when there is, there is a big price to pay….. we’ll see what happens, however, if you are a pragmatic analyst of current events, you can’t be happy……

  31. chicagofinance says:

    I generally when there is = GENERALLY WHEN IT IS

  32. chicagofinance says:

    Did you see CHK?

    It executed a 200 for 1 reverse split 2 months ago and is expected to file any day / any minute….. last tick $69.92? To be clear, it can be wiped out to $0 instantly….. people have no idea what they are doing….

  33. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    Eddie where have you been? Yahoo is a key part of the fake news industry.

    Who could forget fake news isakoff printing bogus info that the
    FBI leaked so the corrupt Obama folks could use the article as corroborating evidence to get warrants to spy on trump. What a circle jerk.

  34. Juice Box says:

    “Undocumented Shopping” = Performative Fundraising

  35. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Grab and Dash has been on the rise for years now since credit card fraud is much tougher. Retailers train employees not to engage the gangs or even report these crimes immediately.

    Everything is recorded, compiled and shared between retailers today with law enforcement. Eventually law enforcement catches up with the gangs with enough evidence for felony charges. It works until the next bunch of gang members crop up and they do just like the spring comes every year.

    The store policies from big retail at the mall are to not engage shoplifters at all. Not even a conversation. It’s call the police from the back room, and they are always long gone before they arrive. My SIL complained about it when she was a manger at Victorias Secret. You just had to sit there and let people stuff crap into their bag and move along. The reality is, it’s all cheap crap that costs pennies from slave labor in China, so why cause a fight?

    This idea that people of color go to stores and are followed left and right are things of the past. Management doesn’t care and they are even on orders to not do so. Now, a mom and pop store, I’m sure they still will do the same thing they have always done.

    In Cali, for the past year or so they refuse to prosecute any shop lifting under $1000. Guys who owned 7/11s said they were getting crushed because there were regulars who would come in, fill up a drink, grab a bag of chips, and leave….and he couldn’t do anything about it.

  36. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Maybe that’s why cosmetics along with Team beachbody and Rosetta stone are one of the things most likely to get you banned from selling on amazon and ebay or at least hit with an intellectual property claim. Lots of counterfeit and stolen cosmetics online.

    I’ve seen youtube videos of people driving around scooping up supplements and over the counter medicines on clearance to resell on amazon. Made a note to self only buy those things if they are sold by Amazon or an authorized seller.

    It’s everything. We had 2 accounts permanantly banned from selling on ebay. We used to buy all the Victoria’s Secret Beauty products that were on clearance. We had to compete with this Russian guy who had teams of girls waiting outside the store the morning it opened. We used to hold them and flip them for a 400% profit once they were discontinued.

    We also bought out all the college apparel at Steve and Barry’s in Menlo Park when it shut down. We would sell it at the beginning of each college football season and make 3 or 4x our money. There was also this weird thing about Kohl’s in Deal. They were littered with Patriots gear. Had to be an error that they even had that much there. We would clean them out at 90% off. It was like $2000 worth of merchandise. But, I guess, since it sold, they would restock the store with Patriots crap each year (This was like 2006).

    Ebay didn’t like it for some reason and banned us. We couldn’t even find someone to talk to. From now on, every shirt I wear is a college shirt because I still have about 4 shelves of them.

  37. The Great Pumpkin says:

    THIS. “Defund the police” explained.

    “Defunding to the police absolutely does not mean that we eliminate all cops and succumb to the purge. Instead it’s about moving away from a narrow conception of public safety that relies on policing and punishment and investing into communities actual safety net. Things like stable housing, mental health services and community organizations. The concept is that the role of the police can significantly shrink because they are not responding to the homeless or to mental health calls or arresting children in schools or really any other situation where the best solution is not someone showing up with a gun. THAT is the idea behind defunding the police if you actually listen to it.”

    Okay, let me explain something to you. You support it, you pay for it. Keep your hands out of my pocket. Going to create all these programs that fail, and still result in the need for the police budget. No thanks….

  38. Libturd says:

    “Rosenberg is also co-chair of the Agriculture Committee for New Jersey Governor-Elect Phil Murphy’s Transition Team”

    The Jersey City City Council will vote Wednesday on a resolution granting a three-year contract with AeroFarms, which grows primarily leafy greens, including kale and arugula, for nearly $1 million.

    AeroFarms CEO David Rosenberg is also a Managing Trustee of the Liberty Science Center.

    Where can I send my $2,000 and get a million in return.

    We are the most corrupt state in the union!

  39. Libturd says:

    If you want to see the real looting, follow the political contribution.

  40. No One says:

    I suspect “defund the police” actually turns into an employment program for majors in race studies, gender studies, sociology, and poli-sci.
    They think they will finally be useful, presiding over performance self-economic-redistrobution in the streets.

  41. crushednjmillenial says:

    Gov. Murphy opens up indoor gatherings up to 50 ppl total or 25% of building capacity, whichever is less.

    Outdoor is open up to 100 people (but, with carve-out for more than 100 people for First Amendment outdoor activities).

    This opening up happened one day after the linked letter below.

    https://www.njassemblygop.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/20200608-Letter-to-Callahan.pdf

  42. No One says:

    One hot topic in the Asian-American communities. Chinese parents are seeing their brainwashed high school and college kids regurgitate what the ivy-league professors teach, turning these kids into modern day red guards from China’s 60s, holding struggle sessions and demanding the parents admit to their failure to support race and class revolutions.

    Now the parents are crying to each other on WeChat, clueless about the intellectual cesspool they pushed their kids into unprepared.

  43. Libturd says:

    Wait. There’s more.

    AeroFarms’ CEO and co-founder
    David Rosenberg says a 10-year,
    $11.14 million Grow New Jersey tax
    incentive grant from the New Jersey
    Economic Development Authority
    helped the firm settle on Camden
    as the site for Farm No. 10 — a
    78,000-square-foot vertical farm that
    should start development later this
    year.

    This dude is definitely a Musk in the making. Well at least when it comes to stealing government dollars.

  44. 3b says:

    We might need some good poly sci people in our country today.

  45. Yes says:

    In my teens and early 20s, I engaged in activism to legalize gay marriage in my state. I organized rallies, leafletted, and petitioned politicians. A few years later, we succeeded. Today the cultural priorities of the identity “left” are 100% unrecognizable and simply bizarre

  46. Yes says:

    “are they? Equality under the law is the consistent theme.”

    “No. The current theme is unremitting cultural dominance and moralistic policing of personal behavior and attitudes.”

  47. 1987 Condo says:

    Just at Home Depot in Totowa…free for all, packed parking lot, no one counting folks in or out, all checkout lanes open…Staples next door now opened……I guess we are back to “normal”…..can’t wait for the Colonel to write up the “Guv”..

  48. Libturd says:

    Wow. 250 million in funding and 10 million in revenue. Let’s work with them. Everyone know’s how great the ROI on farming is.

  49. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    AeroFarms’ CEO and co-founder
    David Rosenberg says a 10-year,
    $11.14 million Grow New Jersey tax
    incentive grant from the New Jersey
    Economic Development Authority
    helped the firm settle on Camden
    as the site for Farm No. 10 — a
    78,000-square-foot vertical farm that
    should start development later this
    year.

    This dude is definitely a Musk in the making. Well at least when it comes to stealing government dollars.

    The worst part is, they are likely doing it in warehouses. Most of the produce that you see in the stores is now grown in hydroponic greenhouses which obviously, don’t want to pay for light, so are 100 percent transparent buildings. These warehouse operations would not even exist without solar subsidies. They use panels to collect the light and transfer it into the warehouse to power grow lights. They will argue they are making efficient use of the light because their solar absorbs the full visible spectrum but the lamps do not emit in the green portion so plants can make better use of the overall energy. People actually believe this nonsense.

  50. D-FENS says:

    Trump should ask Republicans to offer reparations in the next coronavirus stimulus bill. If there was ever a time to do it…it’s now.

  51. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I should note, the same goes for my little sister, who heard all the same stories. It didn’t have the same effect on her. She moved to Portland, Oregon 5 years ago and has since become a full time pot smoker. She now works part time as a school aid in a charter school. I swear she’s part of Portland Antifa. I’m always watching the Portland protests to see if I can spot her.

  52. Libturd says:

    I just told Gator, we need to figure out how to get on the next governor’s transition team D or R. Maybe each of us will take a side to cover our bases. Every single person who campaigned for Murphy has either been placed into a 6 figure job or has obtained multi-million dollar bids for their nonsense businesses.

    It’s absolutely incredible. Even that chick that was supposedly raped got 1 million from the taxpayer.

    Maybe I’ll try to get either fat-shamed or I can provoke someone into making an anti-semetic remark?

  53. Libturd says:

    Wow. I see Brennan is now the chief of staff of the NJ Housing and Mortgage Finance Assoc.

    It’s good to campaign for the king.

    Grim, you gotta volunteer for the next guy. Small business entrepreneur like yourself. You could make millions.

  54. No One says:

    Libturd,
    Maybe you can sue Viacom/Comedy Central for making you feel triggered about being fat and/or Jewish.
    https://youtu.be/a7cPDWQ8vEQ

  55. Libturd says:

    Nah. they’ll have good lawyers. I need to volunteer for a politician. So much tax dollars to swindle.

  56. Fast Eddie says:

    FakeNews,

    Eddie where have you been? Yahoo is a key part of the fake news industry.

    Holy shit! It’s total doom and gloom! COVID will kill all, it’s all Trump’s fault, Trump needs to apologize, the police are evil, softballs for Biden when they mention him, Republicans turn on Trump, we’re in recession!!!

    Oh, don’t forget… the market surge does nothing for blacks!! Like, WTF is the market supposed to do for a particular race? When you work, you make money. You make money, you invest for the future. The left is so f.ucked up, so out of touch with the real issues that it’s hilarious other than it affects me and those I care about.

    Physically slice up the country… give a portion to the liberals and let them rule using their warped agenda.

  57. Walking says:

    Chifi, never followed chk, but wow from $6’500 to this in 9 years. That’s a lot of splits.

  58. Bystander says:

    Ed,

    No problem. Your music choices will now be Ted Nugent, Toby Keith, Amy Grant, Stryper or re-runs of the Lawrence Welk singers…you will be at the border in a few days.

  59. grim says:

    https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confessions-of-a-former-bastard-cop-bb14d17bc759

    One final idea: consider abolishing the police.

    I know what you’re thinking, “What? We need the police! They protect us!” As someone who did it for nearly a decade, I need you to understand that by and large, police protection is marginal, incidental. It’s an illusion created by decades of copaganda designed to fool you into thinking these brave men and women are holding back the barbarians at the gates.

    I alluded to this above: the vast majority of calls for service I handled were theft reports, burglary reports, domestic arguments that hadn’t escalated into violence, loud parties, (houseless) people loitering, traffic collisions, very minor drug possession, and arguments between neighbors. Mostly the mundane ups and downs of life in the community, with little inherent danger. And, like I mentioned, the vast majority of crimes I responded to (even violent ones) had already happened; my unaccountable license to kill was irrelevant.

  60. Libturd says:

    Grim,

    There is so much truth in that article. And now you know how most cops in the world do their jobs without carrying a firearm.

  61. Fast Eddie says:

    By,

    You’re well-versed in the list of right leaning musical artists. Hmmm…. makes me wonder.

  62. Juice Box says:

    Turd- the settlement money is not going to her. As far as the patronage job well what can Gov Phil tell ya nobody knows who hired her right!

  63. Libturd says:

    Thanks Juice. Didn’t realize it was a BS settlement. None the less, she does pull in 160K a year. Not bad for a campaign’s work.

  64. Fast Eddie says:

    HVAC experts: I have a strong chemical aroma in the basement in the vicinity of the air handler. I first noticed it building up on the first floor… went into the basement and it was stronger. It smells like acetone or nail polish remover. Nothing else is open, running or exposed. Suggestions?

  65. Juice Box says:

    Eddie – Siri and Alexa say it’s going to get warm in your home as that smell is a refrigerant leak.

  66. Juice Box says:

    Henry Winker might get a shot at this role.

    https://twitter.com/NYCPBA/status/1270401236941131776

  67. Fast Eddie says:

    Juice,

    That’s what I was googling as well and thought the same. This is the first floor zone. At least the bedrooms are okay… for now. It can’t be anything else.

  68. Libturd says:

    Yup. That’s the smell of the fake freon.

  69. Fast Eddie says:

    Lib,

    You’ve experienced it? It smells like a cross between paint thinner and gasoline. Though, I think it’s Freon and not an alternative. I can be almost my A/C guy used Freon a few years ago.

  70. Libturd says:

    It could be Freon. Most older hvac still runs on it. Until the end of this year. Any replacements must be Freon free. I thought it was already in place, but not for residential HVAC yet.

  71. Juice Box says:

    IT’s it’s the old Freon get out your wallet, might be cheaper to replace than fix.

  72. grim says:

    Freon is a the high end name brand of refrigerant.

    They do smell different.

  73. Fast Eddie says:

    Well, whatever smells like nail polish remover or paint primer, that’s got to be what it is. It’s still ice cold for now but I shut it down and I’m waiting for a call back.

  74. JCer says:

    r410a vs. r22. Typically if your AC unit is post 2005 it is R410a. The sales of R22 equipment were banned in 2010. If you HVAC equipment is old enough to be R22 you are probably looking at system replacement. 20 Years is about what you can expect.

  75. No One says:

    Physically slice up the country… give a portion to the liberals and let them rule using their warped agenda.

    Eddie,their desire to control has no boundaries.

    Maybe now is a good time to read The Fountainhead. The battle between individualism and collectivism continues.

  76. grim says:

    I would look for spilled solvent. Open a window and air it out.

    Buddy of mine spilled a can of paint thinner in his basement while he was down. It spread to the furnace, ignited the basement, and he was in the burn unit for 9 months.

  77. ExEssex says:

    2:26 I put everything I have into Webistics.

  78. 3b says:

    The USA is going to break up at some point any how, we might be better off as a confederation than a federation.

  79. The Great Pumpkin says:

    No one,

    Exactly…no boundaries.

  80. Juice Box says:

    Agree with him or not Michael Moore won the copyright claim and “Planet of the Humans” is back up on youtube. Aholes at youtube still scrubbed his 8 million views.

    Still a great watch as well burning forests is great for “green energy” and bad for mother earth.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=MrOcBdnC3kw&feature=emb_logo

    Climate change is big business Sierra Club is behind the Sunrise Movement, which has AOCs backing and is tied to BLM and other groups. They don’t like Biden and are really trying to hurt ole Joe.

  81. D-FENS says:

    Kamala Harris will be the Democratic nominee

  82. ExEssex says:

    I’ll just leave this here:

    https://youtu.be/AIXUgtNC4Kc

  83. 3b says:

    Ex I just discovered that mix a week ago. Some Brit chick did a remake some years ago; it’s awful.

  84. Fast Eddie says:

    I would look for spilled solvent. Open a window and air it out.

    No spilled solvents, nothing near the burner. I left it off for two hours, changed the filter and it’s been running for two hours with no fumes. We’ll see tomorrow during the heat of the day if it happens again.

  85. Fast Eddie says:

    No One,

    I read the Fountainhead.

    Dominique Francon is a mysterious and moody chick. :)

  86. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Physically slice up the country… give a portion to the liberals and let them rule using their warped agenda.

    It’s called California, Washington, Oregon, New York and New Jersey. It’s already happened. I love NJ to death, but the road we are on is ensuring that I move out when I retire.

  87. No One says:

    Eddie,
    Dominique wasn’t my favorite. First time I read the book I couldn’t figure out her character.
    Now I’m starting to understand her anger with humanity.
    There are a lot more Tooheys in the world today, thanks to the internet.

  88. Fabius Maximus says:

    “Now I’m starting to understand her anger with humanity.” Why not start with her Ra pe? That seems to answer most of it!

    Another book full of garbage ideas.

  89. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Tucker nails it..

    “I’m sorry but it’s never going to feel normal for me, a lifelong leftist, that Tucker is the only one on television giving a passionate defence of basic liberal norms.”

    https://twitter.com/tereseaimee/status/1270539829088890880?s=21

  90. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “Congrats. You’re now a right leaning moderate. The left has shifted so far left that it left you & millions of other reasonable ppl in now what’s called the middle/right or if you asked the far-left, you’re basically a right winger. They’re insane.”

  91. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “This about sums it up. My wife is in the same boat. Over the last few years, as a life long democrat, she’s come to the realization that she has little to nothing in common with today’s left. These riots and the mob have now cemented that for her. The far left has taken over.”

  92. ExEssex says:

    Eventually, leaving Rand was no more different or difficult than, say, leaving a friend who had grown to annoy me over time – sure, I was very intimate with her ideas, but that just gave me more insight into their outright dysfunctionality, and the strength to say “sayonara!”
    What’s scary is that so many Americans have not grown out of that mentally puerile phase. Instead, this contingent – now largely comprised of Tea Party radicals – remains mired in her pop philosophy.
    (Only now has Republican Congressman Paul Ryan, perhaps realizing that supporting an atheist adulterer might hurt his veep chances, changed his tune from Objectivist fanboy to follower of Thomas Aquinas.)
    Granted, it’s doubtful that any political group so suspicious of the intelligentsia would actually read Rand’s 1,200 page magnum opus, Atlas Shrugged, but her ideas are clearly being used to justify inequality, giving credence to institutionalized wealth-based elitism.

  93. grim says:

    Agree with him or not Michael Moore won the copyright claim and “Planet of the Humans” is back up on youtube. Aholes at youtube still scrubbed his 8 million views.

    Enjoyed it. Given our arguments over the years about green energy, feels we could have made that.

  94. leftwing says:

    So the latest conundrum MSM are digging for themselves….liberals are so cute when they act before they think….

    CBS banging away on the Chauvin/Floyd prior relationship. Now they not only knew each other through nightclub security work but Chauvin had a beef with Floyd as he was the messenger delivering Chauvin’s paycheck, which Chauvin thought inadequate. Goal is to up the charges on Chauvin to murder one. They go so far on the air as to offer this relationship as the reason Chauvin continued to apply pressure to the neck well in excess of what was necessary from a policing perspective, to form intent for the higher charge.

    All good, run Chauvin for first degree murder with its mandatory life sentence.
    But wait……

    If a workplace compensation beef is the reason Chauvin leans on Floyd, doesn’t racism go out the window?

    The death becomes about cash, hard and cold. Oldest story around. Not skin color. Not systemic racism. Not BLM.

    Anyone want to take the over/under on when MSM realizes that in their zest to lock up Chauvin and throw away the key they are making an argument that undercuts their racism dogma and ultimately drops that line of attack?

    So much fun to watch the kiddies try to keep all their SJW chess pieces straight….

    And BTW, for the record, I believe Chauvin should be locked up and the key thrown away. Not because he is a racist causing a man’s death, but because he is one of too many sociopaths wreaking havoc with a badge who caused a man’s death.

  95. ExEssex says:

    Racism dogma. Please. Give the board a little more credit.
    Not everyone is completely ignorant.

  96. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Soon, the left will only have the young and naive…older people aren’t down with this extremism.

    Yes, the left is becoming dangerous because it’s filled with EXTREMISTS. Ask the Middle East how that works out…

    You can advocate for whatever you want, but you can’t shame it and forcefully shove it down people’s throats.

  97. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It’s like their call for the end of corporations and capitalism. What exactly are you going to replace it with? Peaches and cream?

    My wife’s cousin is a white engineer. Maybe 32. He’s sick. He absolutely hates capitalism and corporations. Anyone that doesn’t acknowledge their white privilege is a racist. All cops are pigs. There is absolutely no point in risking talking sense to him, otherwise he will attack you and label you. Now apply this to the legions of Democrats just like him.

    I once questioned him for what he is doing to help the poor….why was he wasting his time getting others to help. I said lead by action. He didn’t like that so much…I ended it as you want others to give up their money in the name of your movement and beliefs. GTFO of here.

  98. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Did I forget to mention this capitalist hating individual happens to buy stocks? What a bunch of f’ing hypocrites. Obsessed with some dream world where everyone is rich, everything is perfect, and it’s perfectly fair world. What is this “The Brady Brunch.”

  99. ExEssex says:

    Pumpkin …. please …. stop.

  100. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    Have you ended you membership in the teachers union Punkin? If not, take a good look in the mirror. There is no one more responsible for the hatred of liberty and capitalism than yourself. Teachers unions are modern reds, systematically indoctrinating minds one child at a time.

  101. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Essex,

    Check out the image of the new left. These people are dangerous. Do you realize what is going on? AOC was just the start…

    https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1270495471975518208?s=21

  102. grim says:

    In the past two days there have been dozens, if not hundreds of stories across the US of downright shitty behavior from cops in retaliation. Defund the police, dismantle the unions. Fire all police leadership en masse, and replace them.

  103. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Fake,

    I don’t do it.. If someone is doing that, they are a bad teacher. For history, the goal is to get them to understand sources and the bias that can come with it. It’s getting them to be able to critically think, take a position, and back it with evidence.

    What you are talking about… new ideas introduced to them in college combined with social media.. Some of these kids get into these groups and run with it. They read the internet for sources that support their thinking. They therefore think they are absolutely correct when people agree with them on their social media echo chamber.

  104. ExEssex says:

    Top guitar builder at Fender fired for FB post.
    Folks we’ve veered into some crazy territory.
    It’s Fender which leans left, but the builder was
    There for decades. Widely assumed to be one of the best.

  105. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Now you are beginning to understand what I am saying? It’s dangerous, Essex. Good people are getting hurt in this movement of extremism. Wait till they come knocking on your door.

    ExEssex says:
    June 10, 2020 at 9:05 am
    Top guitar builder at Fender fired for FB post.
    Folks we’ve veered into some crazy territory.
    It’s Fender which leans left, but the builder was
    There for decades. Widely assumed to be one of the best.

  106. Phoenix says:

    “Still a great watch as well burning forests is great for “green energy” and bad for mother earth.”

    Juice, try to find a woman who is really willing to be energy efficient. And therein lies the problem. How many trees does it take to make a closet full of shoes, or 100 dresses? Women drive 70-80 percent of all consumer purchasing, through a combination of their buying power and influence.

    So yes, if you like women, you will buy her the bigger house and all of the trimmings that go with it. Or you will live alone in a crap shack in NJ with a 8k tax bill and solar panels.

  107. grim says:

    LED lighting is still the game changer to me.

    That’s the one device that has really delivered meaningfully. If we can find a way to really optimize LED technology – not efficiency, but lifetime, we’ve nailed it.

  108. Bystander says:

    Ex,

    If I were a NJ teacher, I would be extremely careful posting on social media and definitely on blogs. Powers are watching to see if inflammatory racist comments have been made. Obviously there are many posts here that could used against that teacher.

  109. Hold my beer says:

    Pumps

    Ask a save the world person what have they done to improve the life of someone they will never meet and you will hear crickets. There’s a charity that collects donations from $25 on up and you can select what the money goes toward. Most of the choices are in Africa, Bangladesh or poor southeast Asian and pacific island countries. From buying seeds for a cash crop for farmers, buying ducks to produce eggs since chickens drown in floods, chipping in to drill a well, buying schoolbooks or vaccines you will get a blank stare talking to one of these citizens of the world. Even though some of those things only cost $25-$35 and can impact a poor family tremendously. I think a well is $3,000 and even a fractional share was $250 $300. Mention donating locally to toys for tots or a food pantry and their eyes will glaze over or they will mumble the government should be doing that.

    Other charities do micro loans of $50-$300 so poor people in undeveloped countries can Launch their own local business. I think their default rate is only 1-2%.

    Again the save the world types can’t be bothered to pitch in $25-$50. They probably spend more than that a month on coffee cafes or subscription services they don’t use.

  110. leftwing says:

    lol.

    YOUR own words. Two posts back to back.

    Can’t make this sh1t up. Have you no self awareness whatsoever?

    Two comments by you, separated by less than an hour…

    “Racism dogma. Please. Give the board a little more credit. Not everyone is completely ignorant.”

    “Top guitar builder at Fender fired for FB post.
    Folks we’ve veered into some crazy territory.
    It’s Fender which leans left, but the builder was
    There for decades. Widely assumed to be one of the best.”

  111. Phoenix says:

    “Wait till they come knocking on your door.”
    Well, pumps, for me they did that already. And I’m not black. And I learned how they are abusive and how they lie. And how little it takes (a lie from someone else, like the Central Park Karen type) to get a TRO. And the after effects of a TRO. Plus the advantages of “swatting” someone you don’t like. And how there is no downside to doing it.
    Take a day, go visit a courtroom over your summer break when they re-open. Learn a bit.
    What amazes me is how muppets like you don’t bother to educate your students about things like the legal system that they will deal with their whole lives, but you teach them about carpetbaggers and scalawags.

  112. Phoenix says:

    It all balances out. For every person that buys an electric car or a Prius, some other guy buys a Tahoe or Yukon for his 90 lb wife as gas prices drop. It inflates their ego.

    Nature abhors a vacuum.

  113. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Phoenix,

    I don’t need to go to court to understand this. I’ve experienced it. Remember, my dad was deported? Anyone cares…no. I learned from first hand experience. Such a life of privilege I had growing up, let me tell you.

  114. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – “Soon, the left will only have the young and naive…”

    You are right pumps. Here is another viewpoint, it’s 20 minutes long and about the the Sunrise Movement started in 2017. The young people want power and they want it now, to save the planet. What could be more noble than saving the planet?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgsnyHILdb8

    Choose

  115. Fast Eddie says:

    Ayn Rand was a visionary.

  116. ExEssex says:

    9:17 holding two opposing thoughts in your head is possible.

  117. Juice Box says:

    quote from George Orwell 1984

    “Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book has been rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And that process is continuing day be day and minute by minute. History has stopped.”

  118. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    Absolutely totally Orwellian. From newspeak, re-education, groupthink to unpersoning the current movement has it all.

  119. Bystander says:

    A real example to follow:

    As Pryor said, “Doctors cost a lot more money than books earn and she could be totally wiped out” without the aid of these two government programs. Ayn took the bail out even though Ayn “despised government interference and felt that people should and could live independently… She didn’t feel that an individual should take help.”

  120. Fast Eddie says:

    By,

    I like her idea if egoism in a rational and ethical way. Ethical meaning she didn’t believe others should suffer at ones quest for achievement but that one is responsible for cutting their path and no entity should impede it. Did she take assistance from a government program in her last days? I hope so! She paid into them to support the barnacles and freeloaders so she was entitled to a kickback.

  121. No One says:

    Speaking of Orwell, the new leftists have actually declared that “freedom is slavery.” (Arguing that individual rights, political liberty and economic freedom was a front for perpetuating white male dominance). And they learned this crap in our state run schools, rebroadcasting elite neo-marxist thought. Reversing Orwell’s “slavery is freedom” quote.

    A recommitment to individual rights for all is the only chance this country has to rehab, but lefty intellectuals have been replacing this concept of rights with redistributive “rights” while most right wing thought leaders are too dumb or too scared to lead intellectually. So leftist fascists are winning by default, and Tucker Carlson and his writers, and maybe the WSJ, are now the most prominent antifascist spokespeople today.

  122. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Again the save the world types can’t be bothered to pitch in $25-$50. They probably spend more than that a month on coffee cafes or subscription services they don’t use.

    All the save the planet moms in my neighborhood have 3 extra garbage cans full of crap each week. And when it all blows over in the wind, I’m the only one outside picking it up. They can’t be bothered to put solar on their house because it would affect the charm.

  123. Juice Box says:

    Reality has a way of ending all ideological pipe-dreams.

    They were not able to get power they crave during the primaries. They will not unseat the leadership of the party this time. They are actually angry and accuse Biden of trying to coop their movement.

    Co-chairing a committee basically amounts to a hill of beans.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/12/politics/ocasio-cortez-biden-campaign-task-force-climate-change/index.html

  124. Phoenix says:

    My town too. Watching the Facebook Mom’s group fracturing. Moderator deleting posts of others, deleting members, etc. Local towns bashing each other. No matter how they try to play it-it’s not like the Monkees Pleasant Valley Sunday that’s for sure.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/09/style/ues-mommas-facebook-group-racism-censorship.html

  125. Phoenix says:

    In one town there is a Mom’s group and a Loving Mom’s group. Is one group of the Mom’s not loving- perhaps it’s the group where the Karens hang out?

  126. Phoenix says:

    “They can’t be bothered to put solar on their house because it would affect the charm.”

    Plus they would prefer a new Tahoe.

  127. Hold my beer says:

    BRT

    And they probably buy wine from Australia, grapes from
    Chili, clothes from Bangladesh, and tons of junk from China and spout nonsense about sustainability and being green.

  128. Phoenix says:

    “And they probably buy wine from Australia, grapes from
    Chili, clothes from Bangladesh, and tons of junk from China and spout nonsense about sustainability and being green.”

    But they provide us with the loving we want, and a happy wife is a happy life, right?
    Suck it up and get back to work.

  129. Bystander says:

    ..and her unemployed, painter husband who also took benefits? I guess he paid too. We will disagree , but the idealism on the right regarding Ayn Rand’s “story” is just as bad as any perfect world/fairness on the left. The left has lots of visionary business leaders who don’t need Atlas Shrugged for guidance.

  130. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Hold my Beer,

    absolutely. You should have seen the look of scorn I got when I wouldn’t sign the plastic bag ban petition. I had to show her my side yard where I literally have every plastic cup or yogurt container I’ve used is turned into a fruit tree. I drill a hole into the bottom of them to make them drain. At the time, I probably had over 60 saplings for her.

    I offered her apples, peaches, lemons, figs. Naturally, she declined…she likes her grass only property.

    I take all those fruit trees and give them to the gardening club at school to sell. So basically, I’m the bad guy, despite the fact that I turn every single plastic container I can into a potential tree.

  131. No One says:

    Bystander,
    Ad hominem attack much?
    There’s a whole cottage industry of folks writing personal attacks on and clear misrepresentations of Ayn Rand, because they desperately want to bury the power of her actual ideas, and advocacy of reason, individual rights and capitalism, which could block their goal of egalitarian collectivist tyranny over individuals.

  132. ExEssex says:

    In fact I think the tyranny has been well-documented. Tyranny almost always comes when a small group of power hungry individuals seek to control the larger population.

  133. ExEssex says:

    Here:
    The philosophers Plato and Aristotle defined a tyrant as a person who rules without law, using extreme and cruel methods against both his own people and others. … to government by a minority (in an oligarchy, tyranny of the minority) to government by a majority (in a democracy, tyranny of the majority)

  134. NoLongeraDemocrat says:

    Many teenagers are suspicious of the extreme left (and are in no way racist ) however they stay silent because they don’t wish to be ostracized by their peers. So..when my son gets asked to sign some Green New Deal petition, he politely declines.

  135. AP says:

    Yes, Rand was a kind of visionary, but a chemically induced one, dripping stimulants for entire decades, and berating her closest associates in furious re-education sessions when they even slightly deviated or challenged Objectivism dogma.

    Her quasi-philosophical screeds have a loyal fan base, demographically mostly teenagers who are first encountering the world of ideas.

    Needless to say there’s zero literary merit to any of her books, which trade in pastiche, soap-opera style dialogue, except for long clearly stimulant driven rants that I admit are entertaining in moderation.

    I don’t say that to disparage anyone’s taste, but from personal experience having read her work and biography pretty extensively. It’s worth reading The Fountainhead once in life, but it’s nothing to get stuck on.

  136. leftwing says:

    “Speaking of Orwell, the new leftists have actually declared that “freedom is slavery.” ”

    Recall, such ideas were among the first steps toward another non-sequitur, “Arbeit Macht Frei”

    Collectivist group think is dangerous. Very dangerous.

  137. Bystander says:

    No One,

    Sorry if hurts your “heroine’s” status but her husband was a unemployed painter whose claim to fame was being member of Art Student League in NYC. He was also a cuckhold on the side, not mentioned. Does it diminish her writings..no but funny that they how when beliefs are on the line vs. money, they went with handout. That is crux of problem. Do as I say, not as I do.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1979/11/12/archives/charles-francis-oconnor-artist-husband-of-the-writer-ayn-rand.html

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ayn-rand-social-security/

  138. 3b says:

    I was listening to one of the Minneapolis council members, talking about defunding the police; she looked like she was 22. Basically she said the police only work for people of privilege and as such that’s why they need to be dismantled. Do Democrats want to hand the election to Trump? This interview was on CNN.

    On the other end of the madness, a New Jersey State Trooper was suspended after a video of him surfaced at a counter protest to a BLM protest in Gloucester Co; he re-enacted the Floyd encounter with his knee on another guy’s neck screaming Floyd did not comply, and his death was his own fault!!

  139. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Did the rounds today. Help wanted signs all over the place.

  140. Fast Eddie says:

    …which trade in pastiche, soap-opera style dialogue…

    Are you mocking the bible?

  141. NJGator says:

    While there’s a moratorium on landlords evicting until 2 months after the expiration of the COVID emergency, there seems to be no such restriction on tax sale certificates.

    Rude awakening for Camden property owners who thought N.J. delayed local tax deadline

    On June 5, Corinne Bradley-Powers stood in front of her iconic Camden restaurant, Corinne’s Place, and stared at the bright green tax notice in her hand.

    “Un-freaking-believable,” she said. “They’re going to put my property up for tax sale because I owe $282. The audacity!”

    That afternoon, a friend delivered Bradley-Powers’ payment to Camden’s City Hall on her behalf.

    The same day, Dava Salas was at City Hall, asking a tax clerk to accept $1,000 cash toward the roughly $1,300 she owed to keep her East Camden house off the tax sale list. A year ago, Salas spent the summer working double shifts as a waitress at a popular boardwalk restaurant in Wildwood, then used her pay to restore heat and hot water to her house, Sheetrock the walls, and fix holes in the floor. She was serving at a Philadelphia restaurant when the coronavirus pandemic put her out of work in March; she applied for unemployment benefits but has yet to receive a single check.

    The tax clerk said, no, that the partial payment was against “city hall rules,” said Salas.

    Bradley-Powers and Salas had heard New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy’s announcement on April 28 that, because of the pandemic, he was signing an executive order allowing municipalities to give property owners an extra month, until June 1 instead of May 1, to pay their quarterly taxes.

    What they didn’t realize was that extending the deadline was optional, and that Camden was one of a number of municipalities where property owners would not be receiving that extra month. In Camden, once a property owner is delinquent, payment must be made in full and in person at City Hall with cash or a bank check.

    https://whyy.org/articles/rude-awakening-for-camden-property-owners-who-thought-n-j-delayed-local-tax-deadline/?fbclid=IwAR3RYDcj1H-7OUJ23NiFheeqzF18Qja7IX3-U4j9n6htpYJ2TAoDSin-QW0

  142. ExEssex says:

    1:19 another work of fiction.

  143. 3b says:

    Grim please un mod.

  144. JCer says:

    Yep NJ, so progressive, so liberal yet they are going to kick poor folks out of the homes that they OWN. You notice landlords can take the loss but not the local govenrment…no sir they need their money in full….

  145. The Great Pumpkin says:

    ““Having mental illness” has clearly become some kind of ingroup cultural signifier for teens and 20s — many of whom grew up on social media and are extremely passionate about political causes relating to personal identity. Weird stuff”

  146. ExEssex says:

    2:01 ….glass houses…?

  147. No One says:

    More Ad-hominem and evasion.
    I’m against the welfare state yet I pay over a million in taxes every year and plan to accept the pittance in social security I might get back eventually. So if I don’t go to jail for tax evasion I’m a hypocrite? If I don’t decline the negative 5% ROIC my social security taxes could generate for me, I’m a hypocrite? I can follow the law while pointing out that it’s wrong.
    Maybe the left wing online trolls can also investigate the personal hypocrisy of their heroes, the luxury homes and cars of the champions of the poor, the miles flown by the supposed earth-lovers, or count the women casually toyed with by the great feminists.
    Or more usefully, they could honestly debate ideas in a principled way. But if they did that, they wouldn’t be trolls any more.

  148. AP says:

    Fast, good one. Got me there. The New Testament is actually good reading. Revelations puts Leary and tribe to shame.

  149. No One says:

    Pumpkin,
    In my daughter’s high school, the identity politics kids often lashed out and got in trouble. Had to receive mental counseling to get back into school. I think it is mentally disabling to believe that everyone is a victim unable to stand on their own two feet. But that’s what their ideology of race and class forces ingrains in them.
    Now they are signing up to become BLM “allies”

  150. JCer says:

    No One like al gore and obama having a carbon footprint 10x greater than the average american….While telling them to cut back….

  151. D-FENS says:

    That really looks like a phishing attempt. I wouldn’t fill that out if I were you.

    Juice Box says:
    June 10, 2020 at 11:33 am
    Anyone want to sign up for a covid19 vaccine trial? LabCorp sent me this today.

    https://covid-19clinicaltrialconnect.com/?utm_source=sfmc&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20_patient_corp_COVID-19-antibody-test

  152. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3b, still think I’m talking out of my a$$?

    “The CEO of one of the world’s largest employment agencies says working remotely can detract from personal development and a company’s culture”

    https://accounts.wsj.com/login?target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsj.com%2Famp%2Farticles%2Fremote-work-forever-not-so-fast-jobs-guru-says-11591790405#click=https://t.co/qUgfJ5QD6x

  153. 3b says:

    Like Chris in the buff Cuomo quarantining in his Southampton get a way, while pretending he cares.

  154. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You get it. Would like to comment about some stuff I witnessed as a teacher, but you know I can’t.

    No One says:
    June 10, 2020 at 2:15 pm
    Pumpkin,
    In my daughter’s high school, the identity politics kids often lashed out and got in trouble. Had to receive mental counseling to get back into school. I think it is mentally disabling to believe that everyone is a victim unable to stand on their own two feet. But that’s what their ideology of race and class forces ingrains in them.
    Now they are signing up to become BLM “allies”

  155. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The past weekend, I drove 24 miles to the end of Fairfield. Just a regular cheap 500 mountain bike. Riding through areas on your bike is different from driving through in your car. You get to take it all in and make good observations.

    First, driving through the poor areas of Wayne along the Passaic River is pretty much no different than Alabama. I’m like where the f’k am I? I wonder how much this area and the apartments in Wayne bring down the household income avgs?

    Now my observation with Fairfield. Nice town. Though, It’s like a new development area in the south. Only decorative trees, so it’s all sidewalks and lawns. “New Suburbia.” Wayne has a more old feel to it in comparison. Ton of old trees all over the place. More character.

  156. Phoenix says:

    “Collectivist group think is dangerous. Very dangerous.”

    Especially when the same “enforcers” that the non collectivists embrace later wield the same power against them.
    Kind of like taking your weapon and using it on you.

  157. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Wanted to add another thing…ton of homes updated. Haven’t seen neighborhoods looking this nice in a long time. Most homes have nice lawns/landscaping.

  158. Bystander says:

    No one,

    Yes. Mostly everyone is a hypocrite. That’s not a judgment, more factual. That is why we revere stories like Ayn’s or historical figures like JC, William Wallace and that monk that set himself on fire (though that monk is most verifiable as not a hypocrite.)

  159. joyce says:

    Bystander,
    I agree most people are hypocrites.

    Opposing social security while paying the taxes and accepting its benefits is not hypocritical.

  160. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Libertarian purists are misguided because they believe all things free market always leads to the best outcomes. They have completely failed to even recognize that the CCP is a government entity that continually interferes with the market. They have failed to realize a nation of people would completely have their entire manufacturing industries dismantled at the chance to employ a nation of workers who will work for pennies on the dollar.

  161. Bystander says:

    No Joyce. I agree but it is the middle. Not the right or the wrong but the evil middle. I read that quote in a fictional book 20 years ago. Not trying to be a d&ck but I actually met Save-A-Patriot. Sat in his living room and had him tell me the process for refusing to provide SSN to employer. People do it, most don’t choose that life.

  162. joyce says:

    By not providing SSN to employer, does that mean the employer didn’t withhold anything for all taxes?

  163. homeboken says:

    Chi – Did you see the story of the LA Galaxy player that was fired for a tweet?

    The tweet was sent by his wife.
    The tweet was written in Serbian.
    It was deleted not long after being posted.

    The guy apologized for his wife and made a public apology for the club. They fired him anyway. The next day, players gathered, led by David Beckham, to show they don’t tolerate racism. The fired players #7 jersey had a red line thru it and was paraded around by his former teammates.

    Imagine being fired for a tweet you didn’t even write?

  164. Bystander says:

    It was a long time ago. They refused to pay him at first but they withheld anyway using some made up SSN/allowances. He was lawyering up at time. Guy lived for this fight. Had a wife and young daughter. It was pretty surreal for twenty something, at the time.

  165. Phoenix says:

    “Imagine being fired for a tweet you didn’t even write?”

    Guess he should divorce her. Then he will pay a double whammy. Nothing worse than having an enemy in your house.

  166. No One says:

    BRT,
    Ayn Rand was against trade with Russia and I see no reason to think she would have thought differently on China.
    Libertarians put a primacy on economics which a philosopher would not. Yet another reason I’m an advocate of liberty but not a Libertarian.

  167. joyce says:

    I would love to hear the full story. I would imagine today that one’s options to opt out of SS, et al are even more limited.

    Bystander says:
    June 10, 2020 at 6:50 pm
    It was a long time ago. They refused to pay him at first but they withheld anyway using some made up SSN/allowances. He was lawyering up at time. Guy lived for this fight. Had a wife and young daughter. It was pretty surreal for twenty something, at the time.

  168. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Pricks demanding Paw Patrol to be cancelled.. GTFOH

    Out of control..

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/10/arts/television/protests-fictional-cops.html

  169. Bystander says:

    American Vandal on Netflix. Holy sh&t, I have not laughed that much in many months. Brilliant especially for those who like Making a murderer. Well done.

  170. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I’ve never read Rand, but that’s why I said purists. I’m very libertarian minded and I think we should not be trading with China simply based off of the fact that their government is authoritarian. There’s a million other rational reasons. But that being said, this issue is one of the primary ones where Libertarian purists put their free market ideals over anything else they believe in. They are unable to see the authoritarian government which gains influence and cheats in the marketplace to bankrupt domestic business through anticompetitive measures.

    Libertarians should recognize that this is crucial to gaining legitimacy with the general populace. They need to distinguish themselves from the left, who have become a group that is hypocritical on nearly every issue and are building their entire platform on double standards.

    Fortunately, the general populace is becoming more open to protectionism. Protectionism and limited immigration are the two things that give labor much more bargaining power in the US, and that’s how you would increase the standard of living across the board.

  171. ExEssex says:

    I lean left, but you gotta admit, the last several administrations have sold out the American worker. Globalism is a sham benefitting only the elites.

  172. Not Bloomberg news says:

    I saw that 8:51 post about Lee. There was a reason they used his land for Arlington cemetery. From the oft mentioned Wikipedia:

    “Lee’s cruelty on the Arlington plantation nearly led to a slave revolt, since many of the slaves had been given to understand that they were to be made free as soon as Custis died, and protested angrily at the delay.[44]

    In May 1858, Lee wrote to his son Rooney, “I have had some trouble with some of the people. Reuben, Parks & Edward, in the beginning of the previous week, rebelled against my authority—refused to obey my orders, & said they were as free as I was, etc., etc.—I succeeded in capturing them & lodging them in jail. They resisted till overpowered & called upon the other people to rescue them.”[43] Less than two months after they were sent to the Alexandria jail, Lee decided to remove these three men and three female house slaves from Arlington, and sent them under lock and key to the slave-trader William Overton Winston in Richmond, who was instructed to keep them in jail until he could find “good & responsible” slaveholders to work them until the end of the five-year period.[43]

    Lee ruptured the Washington and Custis tradition of respecting slave families and by 1860 he had broken up every family but one on the estate, some of whom had been together since Mount Vernon days.[45”

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