C19 Open Discussion Week 29b

From NJ1015:

NJ budget signed, but immigrant funding remains at issue

The 2021 state budget raises spending, taxes and borrowing – but it’s still not enough to satisfy all demands for help.

Members of immigrant advocacy groups protested outside the Trenton War Memorial where Gov. Phil Murphy signed the budget and associated tax increases Tuesday, at one point blocking the road in front of the building, because the state still hasn’t provided direct pandemic economic aid to unauthorized immigrants who aren’t eligible for federal stimulus payments or unemployment benefits.

“We’re here to demand what is rightfully ours,” said Deya Aldana, an organizer for Make the Road New Jersey. “We are here to say that we demand economic relief for everyone.”

“We’ve been called essential workers. Most immigrants also pay taxes. We pay huge amounts of taxes, and yet immigrants are excluded,” said Maneesha Kelkar, interim director of the New Jersey Alliance for Immigrant Justice. “It is time, after six months of no relief. It is time.”

State Sen. Teresa Ruiz, D-Essex, was continuing to press the case for one-time payments to immigrants when the Legislature passed the budget last week.

“It is still months into the pandemic and several thousand New Jerseyans who pay into the state budget in millions of dollars have not received one dollar of relief in this crisis,” Ruiz said.

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236 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 29b

  1. Juice Box says:

    one time payments? As in here is a check now go away forever?

  2. homeboken says:

    Can we pivot to a local election issue for a bit?

    The legal weed question – I get the impression that this passes by a very wide margin.

  3. Juice Box says:

    The legalize weed for personal use question is on the backside of the NJ Ballots, there is a campaign to remind people.

    Gov Phil says spark one up for New Jersey

    https://twitter.com/NJCAN2020

  4. Juice Box says:

    Legalize weed along with defund the police, we won’t need as many Po-Po or judges. They bust at least a hundred people a day in New Jersey for smoking and clog up the courts and ruin peoples lives.

    Those po-po would be better off cracking skulls on the those murders people that refuse to wear masks!

  5. grim says:

    The legalize weed for personal use question is on the backside of the NJ Ballots, there is a campaign to remind people.

    Of course it is.

  6. grim says:

    Really though, it’s irrelevant.

    NJ legislature will take 5 years to come up with the rules that ensure the right people profit from it.

  7. 30 year realtor says:

    Grim,

    Agreed regarding no consensus on rules for NJ legal marijuana. My curiosity is what that really means. Is marijuana legal even if there is no approved means retail sale?

  8. Phoenix says:

    Courts are infested with money grabbing lawyers who could care less about justice and more about lining their pockets and making themselves famous.

    Justice- strange. It’s not about justice at all, it’s about a battle of wits vs the stupidity of the court system. How someone can sleep at night knowing they helped a guilty person get away with a brutal crime and be proud of it takes a special breed.

    It’s their job. Plenty of others in history have said the same thing.

  9. Phoenix says:

    Wonder who is going to pay for the lung cancer epidemic from smoking the weed?

  10. Juice Box says:

    I am not even entirely sure if the legislature still has to go back and vote on it again. New Jersey is one of six states that has no provision for a constitutional convention. The ballot question is for a constitutional amendment to legalize, so does it still need a least a three-fifths vote of both houses? I will have to check and see if that still needs to occur and then another ballot question again? Not sure what will happen if this passes.

    To Grim’s point NJ is a FU pay me first state. The growers and dispensaries will have to hire some of the boys for no show jobs at least, and a few years down the road some enterprising Federal Prosecutor who wants to be Governor will start sending out informants with envelopes full of cash in a sting operation to “clean up” crooked politicians.

  11. Juice Box says:

    None of this stuff is banked legally the feds and banks won’t let them have accounts, so lots and lots of cash. The last house Bill for Coronavirus relief in May had the word Marijuana in it more times than unemployment. Pelosi and crew vote approved Marijuana Banking but the Senate did not pass.

  12. RentL0rd says:

    Are we past the outrage of yesterday’s tantrumps? Are there are any civilized republican’s here? Guess not.

  13. Libturd says:

    I think a lot of us haven’t recovered yet.

    Some advice from the left. You are better off without Trump. You’ll survive four years of Biden a lot easier than America will survive four more years of Trump. Trust me on this one. Get your act back together and find a sane candidate to run in four years.

  14. Phoenix says:

    It’s all a diversion. Enjoy the entertainment America, but remember, you are still tied to the tracks and yes, it’s a real train coming at you, not an illusion.

    The s ^^t show that is the USA will hit you sooner than you think. As lib said yesterday we cannot even make a proper burrito using a caulking gun. How hard is it, a squirt of beans, a squirt of lettuce, and a label?

  15. Phoenix says:

    Biden,
    “You can’t fix the economy until you fix the Covid crisis.”

    What? Has America become so stupid it can’t do two things at once?

    Trump: I’ve done more in 47 months than you have done in 47 years.

    True statement. The only thing slower than N.J. Motor Vehicles and Sloths is American government. We still can’t buy bottles of rubbing alcohol? How hard is it to make a plant that produces rubbing alcohol or Lysol?

    Just get Warren Buffett to throw a few more tanker cars of non-fructose corn syrup on his Norfork Southern train line so every American Karen can indulge in a few more gallons of pure sugary caloric heaven. Don’t want her to be deprived of that liquid gold.

  16. CornPop says:

    “unauthorized immigrants”

    Doubleplusgood.

  17. SmallGovConservative says:

    Not that anyone can assess anything objectively anymore, but why is it so hard for people to admit the obvious — Trump crushed Biden last night. DT demonstrated complete command of the issues, coherence of thought, the ability to communicate quickly and clearly, a willingness to defend his own record and to take a strong position on the issues of the day. Biden did none of these things, either because he’s unable to (due to cognitive decline), or unwilling to (so as not to offend the leftist base of the Dem party). Assessing mental sharpness and cognition only, DT showed that he’s the equal of any 40-50 year old, while Biden is much more reminiscent of a 90 year old. Night and day. This was Mike Tyson vs some tomato can. The choice in this election is so clear that it’s silly to even attempt to justify a vote for Harris/Biden.

  18. 3b says:

    Last night was an embarrassment for America. Trump was more of the same. And Biden was just the empty suit Bs er. Talking about the people in Scranton and jobs, yet he has been in DC for decades while American manufacturing was exported overseas. He is full of crap. Biden will probably win the election, and we will be back to the status quo, of bought and paid for politicians claiming to care about America’s middle class and working poor, while enriching themselves and passing check the box social issues.
    But the Dems will ultimately be sorry, because the left will be back in 4 years, and they are going to tear it all down.

  19. Phoenix says:

    SGC

    I can see the similarity between Mike Tyson and Trump. Cognitively they are about the same.

  20. Fast Eddie says:

    Aside from O’Biden making it to the finish line, I didn’t hear any specifics of his plans. It was a constant, “We can do this… we need to do this… we need to work together…” type fluff that didn’t talk about anything. It was the typical stuff of a politician who has been doing the same thing for decades and will continue doing so. He looked so old, so labored trying to explain himself. Trump needed to talk about his domestic and foreign successes, which is a healthy list. The Mideast success recently, the Nobel nomination, the domestic list of achievements. Yes, body punch the old man on the left but stress your successes and what you’ll do going forward.

  21. 3b says:

    I don’t know how you can say Trump had command of the issues. He spent most of the time talking about himself. But I will say he did somewhat better than Biden in that regard. Trump should have focused more on the fact that he has been a politician for 4 years vs Biden 45 or more. What accomplishments did Biden achieve. Trump did not answer the tax question directly, but he did point out he did not write the tax laws.

  22. Phoenix says:

    3b
    Agreed. I’d rather sit on the loo and wipe with the ballot as that is all of the respect it deserves.

  23. Phoenix says:

    Can you please pass Big Blue?
    http://dailym.ai/3kWYqNl

  24. Phoenix says:

    Broken link.
    New Jersey cops are awarded $2.5million after being harassed by senior officers with a SEX TOY for more than a decade
    Five New Jersey police officers and a part-time police employee will receive $2.5 million as part of a settlement in a lawsuit they filed
    The six, claimed higher-ups harassed them with a sex toy for more than 10 years
    Mountainside Police Department employees filed the suit in 2018
    The employees will split $2.45 million as part of a settlement
    One officer allegedly threw the toy around, another hit a dispatcher in the face
    Borough officials have denied the lawsuit’s allegations as part of the settlement
    The police chief and an internal affairs officer both resigned in August 2018

  25. Phoenix says:

    1/2 a million each. Wap me in the face with one for that much, I’m game.

    Where do I sign up?

  26. Fast Eddie says:

    I didn’t even know what “Proud Boys” was until I read up about it this week. I mean, what else do you expect when a certain group is vilified and blamed for the world’s ills? Of course they’re going to defend themselves. They are in response to being attacked whereas Ant1fa and left-leaning terror1st groups are creating chaos and confusion. These are men that work and create something of substance vs. roaming packs of dogs looking to burn everything down.

  27. Phoenix says:

    Well you can burn something down worth 2.5 M, or diddle with Big Blue for 2.5M.

    Guess it depends on what you consider entertainment.

  28. Phoenix says:

    “I can see the similarity between Mike Tyson and Trump. Cognitively they are about the same.”

    I guess we can throw Biden in the same category as well.

  29. chicagofinance says:

    In my opinion, crushednjmillenial’s comments yesterday captured the debate pretty well. I’d also say that Essex’s miscellaneous one-liners about Trump for the past few months also really hit the tone and feel of last night.

    For me, Biden appeared to be the same Biden from years ago. If anything, being a bit older and less energetic makes his sanctimonious rhetoric a little more tolerable. Biden is an old man, but the cognitive decline and fatigue allegations seem overblown based on last night.

    To be clear, there was a point in the debate last night where it crossed my mind that I have to vote for Biden just out of a sense of civic responsibility. I may not leave the top blank anymore.

  30. Phoenix says:

    Eddie,
    The feminists are taking orders. They believe their savior, Joe Biden, will be winning the election.
    What size P zzy hat fits you is what Karen would like to know before she places your order.

  31. JCer says:

    The debate was absolutely absurd. People with blame orange man for interrupting but I think it is more than that. People think Trump came off as a bully but Biden too was incredibly un-presidential as well. I do think there was bias from Wallace, from the questions to how they were presented many were leading questions that prompted the interruptions from Trump. The questions to Biden were along the line of not what will you do about X, what is your proposal answer, etc it was tell us how Trump screwed the pooch on X. Biden wasn’t sharp, he literally confused his children at one point when Trump was talking about his son being a crackhead. Neither of these men should be president.

    Biden was given a lot of passes, he literally never responded to Trump about the payments to Hunter from Moscow besides saying it was false, what was false the payments? A stronger stance of those dealings were my sons, I had no knowledge, and they were thoroughly investigated at the time by the relevant parties and no wrongdoing was found by anyone is the appropriate response. He never answered for his climate plan, what will it cost? Trump missed the opportunity to hammer dems for their green energy failings, the Obama admin wasted billions on green projects that are now defunct, CA energy mandates created rolling blackouts. Trump was right to point out the failings of energy efficiency mandates, but did a poor job of articulating it. First the costliness is passed to the consumer which prevents adoption people will use old appliances, old cars if they cannot afford new. Second increased efficiency usually yields a lighter built product with more technology which comes at the expense of longevity the true cost of “energy efficient” machines needs to take into account for reduced lifespan and the cost of creating and disposing of machines prematurely. Frankly leave it to the consumer and enforce transparency and labeling of goods, federal mandates constrain the market too much.

  32. 3b says:

    Chgo: My civic responsibility tells me I can’t vote for either one. Voting for Biden in my opinion is to acknowledge and agree to the dysfunction and corruption of Biden and all the politicians on both sides. I can’t do that.

  33. RentL0rd says:

    SmallGovPOS, if you do not follow the rules and cheat on your test and pass is it a win? Does that mean the candidate has learnt and ready for applying the knowledge the test was supposed to test? Be honest.

  34. RentL0rd says:

    FastEddie, that’s like saying I don’t know who Hitler is.. so he may not be that bad after all. It’s one thing to be stupid and another to proclaim your stupidity loud and clear.

  35. Phoenix says:

    Now now,
    We all know about these Green Teslas that Elon is making.

    Not all Left’s driving them, not by a long shot.

    And what a whopping tax break they receive. A gift to the wealthy while polluting the environment. If the small battery in a Prius is bad….

    And let’s not forget about the tax break for the 6k lb vehicles that mommy uses to take Billy to soccer practice.

  36. Fast Eddie says:

    RentL0rd,

    F.uck you, d1ck!! I didn’t know what it was and looked it up. Go f.uck yourself, @ssh0le.

  37. RentL0rd says:

    3b.. there is corruption and there is looting. What trump and his cohort is doing is looting the American coffers – of money, dignity and soft power around the world. Have you seen how clean Biden’s tax record is? Who do you think is more corrupt – the guy who is a ~$500 million in debt? Knowingly or unknowingly, Trump is nothing but a manchurian candidate. We cannot even put both candidates’ corruption on the same scale.

    I commend Joe for holding back and not getting into the gutter like the pig.

  38. Phoenix says:

    IDK, does being caught with 25 lbs of Mary Jane make you a felon? All she and her husband were trying to do is make the world a more mellow and happy place. Adam ruins everything says what they were doing was right. No dispensary for them, you need to have the right connections and they did not part of the right “family.”

    https://www.thinkingoutsidethebud.com/podcast/106-angela-colandrea

  39. RentL0rd says:

    Fast Eddie.. you know when you are losing when you start throwing a tantrum or start cussing. ’nuff said.

  40. Phoenix says:

    Rent Lord,
    I have to side with Eddie on that one. Hitler has a much better marketing team than the “Proud Boys.”

  41. RentL0rd says:

    3b, your civic responsibility is to vote. And vote for the better candidate. Civic sense is not about you.. but your country.

  42. RentL0rd says:

    Phoenix, You don’t have to state the obvious. Anybody here knows who’s side you are on.

  43. Phoenix says:

    RentLord,
    A bit preachy today are you? 3b has a right to abstain. What you advocate is placing a gun to someone’s head and forcing them to choose.

  44. Phoenix says:

    RentLord,

    Please enlighten me O Wise One.

  45. RentL0rd says:

    JCer, to say neither should be president is another way of saying you support trump and want to suppress the vote. Plain and simple. One was a gentleman and another a red baboon. No comparision.

  46. Phoenix says:

    Rent: a tenant’s regular payment to a landlord for the use of property or land.

    Lord: What does Lord mean?
    noun. a person who has authority, control, or power over others; a master, chief, or ruler. … a titled nobleman or peer; a person whose ordinary appellation contains by courtesy the title Lord or some higher title.

  47. RentL0rd says:

    Phoenix – nobody has a gun on anyone. Considering what’s at stake for this country and calling out the ignorance and stupidity is the least anyone can do instead of being in the sidelines and watching loudmouths get away with it. Nothing we say here will move the needle on Nov 3rd.. but it’s just wrong for any decent American to sit and watch the bile spill out in this forum.

  48. SmallGovConservative says:

    chicagofinance says:
    September 30, 2020 at 10:42 am
    “… there was a point in the debate last night where it crossed my mind I have to vote for Biden just out of a sense of civic responsibility.”

    Astonishing. Was it when he refused to answer as to whether he would pack the supreme court? Was it his excuse as to why he hasn’t demanded that the Dem mayor of Portland or Dem gov of Oregon put an end to the 100+ days of violence that are destroying the city? Or was it when he listed all of his accomplishments during his 45+ years as a DC politician? Your post proves my point that it’s silly to even consider trying to justify a vote for Harris/Biden — “his sanctimonious rhetoric a little more tolerable”, “cognitive decline and fatigue allegations seem overblown”. Those are your reasons for voting for Joe, really?

  49. Juice Box says:

    Joe does not even know what he endorses, meaning he does endorse the green new deal as listed below on his website, unless well he is lying to his voters last night. As we all know I have mentioned many times he has to promise all the vapor green jobs he can “not $15 dollar an hour jobs” as he has not real plan for the economy and cannot run on his record.

    Here it is from his own website.

    https://joebiden.com/climate-plan/#

    “Biden believes the Green New Deal is a crucial framework for meeting the climate challenges we face. It powerfully captures two basic truths, which are at the core of his plan: (1) the United States urgently needs to embrace greater ambition on an epic scale to meet the scope of this challenge, and (2) our environment and our economy are completely and totally connected.”

  50. RentL0rd says:

    Phoenix, what, you want my name on my drivers license here?

    By the way, I’ve been here ~ 10 years. Just on and off. When did you join?

  51. Fast Eddie says:

    … but it’s just wrong for any decent American to sit and watch the bile spill out in this forum.

    Gee, who knew we had such a large audience.

  52. Juice Box says:

    I would rather it were Bernie up there last night, even with a heart condition he would have kicked the Donald’s ass.

  53. Phoenix says:

    “but it’s just wrong for any decent American to sit and watch the bile spill out in this forum.”

    This “bile” as you call it, is each and everyone’s right to their own opinions. And although I don’t always agree with some of these opinions, sometimes my mind has been changed or I had a different thought process. I have learned something from every drop of bile that has been spilled on this forum.
    Even Pumpy’s at times. Oh god did I just type that?

  54. JCer says:

    Rent, Biden is a crook. His family has profited off his position in the government for 47 years. For all the talk of Russia collusion I don’t think they found any shadowy payments to Trump or his family for millions from Russian political figures. Anyone who looks at the “Green Energy” scam and doesn’t come to the conclusion that all that spending is to fund graft and democrat politicians are profiting tremendously from the mandates is ignorant. All the billions showered on Green Energy during the Obama administration and we have nothing to show for it and somehow fracking is the big contributor to reducing our emissions(something Biden vowed to ban).

    Frankly from a character perspective I see little difference between the old b@astards(self dealing, reprehensible behavior, creepy behavior with women, etc). From a policy perspective I see a huge difference, the Dems are pursuing terrible policy. That orange idiot is what stands between us and those policies, the republicans have no platform and no real plan which is better and less damaging than a bad plan and an expansion of an already bloated government. The dems want to turn the federal government into NJ,IL, or CA, let that sink in for a moment……

  55. 3b says:

    Rent: I don’t defend Trump as a person. He has been in Washington for 4 years. Biden for more than 45. Biden is corrupt because he is part of the system that is corrupt. His tax record is clean, fine. How is it that he is still a very ,very wealthy man? How does he claim to care about the American people when he and all the other dinosaurs in DC stood by and watched as American corporations destroyed our manufacturing base? Where was he when these same corporations eliminated pensions for white collar workers, and watched while many of those jobs were outsourced overseas. Where is he on the hb 1 visas that harm American tech workers. How did he stand by for 4 decades and watch the Chinese Communist government make every effort to destroy us. Where is his outrage at what they are doing in Hong Kong, and how they have put up to a million ethnic Uigurs in concentration camps. Now they are destroying their mosques and other cultural treasures. What can Biden point to in terms of his legislative achievements in 4 decades. Why would he not answer why his son received 3.5 million dollars from the wife of a Russian oligarch. I could go on, but that’s enough. I can’t vote for someone who claims he cares about this country and it’s people
    when it’s clear in my mind he does not. Back to the status quo if he wins, nothing more. The decline of this country will continue.

  56. Phoenix says:

    Phoenix, what, you want my name on my drivers license here?

    By the way, I’ve been here ~ 10 years. Just on and off. When did you join?

    1. No, have no need, want, or desire for such. Nor stated it. Odd question actually.
    2. I don’t know. It’s been years. And why would it matter anyway? Would you “reign” over me if you were here longer? But to appease you O’ Lord I was on here when J.J. was posting regularly as well. I’ll leave it up to you and your infinite wisdom to figure out my starting date and what should be the correct pecking order for posters on here.

  57. Phoenix says:

    3b,
    Well stated. I concur.

  58. Juice Box says:

    3B – Look for all our foreign military intervention Joe Biden supported, during his time in the Senate. It’s there in his voting record. I am still POed about the blood and treasure spilt. Trump had nothing to do with it, sure he is a crook, sure he is a creep, but he is the only one fighting against it.

    Trump told Merkle Germany owes the US a trillion dollars for all we have done for them, the EU needs to pay their fare share, for many decades we have been carrying them, he is the only one pushing back.

    Looking at China Trump is using sticks instead of carrots tariffs, and with other bad actora where needed sanctions, but not bombs.

    Does anyone here think Joe Biden is going to stand up to China? Those tariffs will be gone by the time the his first 100 days in office are up.

  59. ExEssex says:

    0 9:00AM (UTC)
    A former federal prosecutor during the Watergate investigation, which uncovered criminal activity that led to former President Richard Nixon’s resignation, said the bombshell New York Times report on President Donald Trump’s taxes suggests that he could ultimately face time behind bars along with his daughter, senior White House adviser Ivanka Trump.

    “No question about it,” Nick Akerman told CNN’s Erin Burnett in a Monday interview. “And his daughter could go to jail, too. Tax evasion is a five-year felony. It’s a pretty serious crime, and the more money that’s stolen, the longer you go to jail.”

  60. ExEssex says:

    Tax avoidance means trying to get the most deductions legally permissible under the tax code.

    “Tax fraud is lying about what your income was,” Akerman said. “Lying about what your deductions are.”

    Akerman said the report suggested multiple instances of fraud — the “most glaring” example being an allegation involving consultant fees that Trump appears to have paid to Ivanka, but which he later wrote off as a tax deduction.

  61. Phoenix says:

    Livin’ life through a TV screen. Rambo, Chucky Norris, and Cops all in one. Wonder how the self defense Castle Doctrine thing plays out at 80mph.
    At least he was nice enough to provide the video. It’s no wonder America’s number one product is entertainment.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8787563/Driver-seen-dashcam-shooting-windshield-driver-flashed-gun.html

  62. Juice Box says:

    Essex – the news cycle has moved on, if the IRS thought something was afoul they would have went after him years ago under at least 4 administrations.

  63. JCer says:

    rentlord, that is quite a conclusion to jump to, who the h*ll said anything about suppressing the vote? I think I’ve been very clear trump is a jerk, a loudmouth, etc. BUT…a big but from a policy perspective he has not been bad. If you want to elect “Geriatric Hoover” buckle up because given what is going on with the economy as a result of COVID Biden’s plan is a ticket to recession town. Frankly increased government intervention and corporate taxation is the last thing that is needed at this time, the government needs to ensure the financial system is working and things are capitalized(i.e don’t allow viable businesses to fail in a banking panic) but the plans are frankly not possible given the state of the economy, it’s not time for crushing mandates or green energy plans.

    As for Biden being a gentlemen I beg to differ, there was plenty of ad hominem attacks. Fro cripes sake he called the sitting president a clown, his conduct frankly is just as bad as trump’s just slightly less erratic. Frankly he makes Hillary look really good in comparison.

  64. ExEssex says:

    11:34 riiiiiight. The IRS has a longer memory than the news cycle.

  65. ExEssex says:

    Thanks for the JCer. I needed a laugh!

    “As for Biden being a gentlemen I beg to differ, there was plenty of ad hominem attacks. Fro cripes sake he called the sitting president a clown, his conduct frankly is just as bad as trump’s just slightly less erratic. Frankly he makes Hillary look really good in comparison.“

    Fuuuuuuucking gold

  66. ExEssex says:

    Remember JCer Hillary as unlikable as she was won the popular vote.
    Now Trump is the incumbent and under his watch things have become
    Pretty bad for millions of Americans. It won’t even be close this time.

  67. Phoenix says:

    “Fro cripes sake he called the sitting president a clown”

    That makeup tho.

    He ratchet

  68. JCer says:

    ExEssex please refer to Homeboken about the rich and taxes. he seems to have a good professional handle on how it works but let explain a little. Trump has multiple independent accountants and tax layers, before anything goes into the returns multiple opinions are written by distinct tax attorney’s and accountants, because of that you’ll never convict him of “tax fraud”, the IRS can disallow the maneuver but what ever has been done has some precedent or justification. Trumps taxes are nothing like yours, also we have no clue as to the validity of the leaked information.

  69. Phoenix says:

    Only boomers care about conduct. The Grey Poupon train has left the station.

    I mean your local police forces are wapping each other in the face with Big Blue then splitting the taxpayer check.

    Yes, yes it really happened.
    Now please, cut the malarkey T-Mart.

  70. JCer says:

    I totally think Trump can lose don’t get me wrong. I think it will be close.

  71. RentL0rd says:

    Jcer, Policy perspective is NOT bad you say? Which policy – Healthcare? Immigration? Pandemic? Economy? Foreign policy?

    It’s nice to repeat talking points, but lets talk about actual details shall we?

    “This man has no plan”

  72. SomeOne says:

    JCer,

    Frankly increased government intervention and corporate taxation is the last thing that is needed at this time

    Trump did a 2T plus tax cut at a time when the economy was chugging along fine. What is a good time to raise taxes to start reducing debt?

  73. JCer says:

    What it’s just your regular old run of the mill presidential race between two octogenarian pu$$y grabbers, who who claims he can and one who actually did……

    This is how far we’ve fallen…….

  74. Phoenix says:

    “Trumps taxes are nothing like yours”

    Nothing like mine either. I need to get off of this losing altruistic W-2 thing and get into that immoral, yet legal realm, where you can write off your hooker and her Victoria Secrets invoice.

  75. Phoenix says:

    “What is a good time to raise taxes to start reducing debt?”

    If I was a boomer?

    I choose after I’m dead for 2000, Alex.

  76. Phoenix says:

    “Healthcare? Immigration? Pandemic? Economy? Foreign policy?”
    Trump’s position:
    Healthcare? Check. I’ve got it. For life. I’m good.
    Immigration? Check. I’m American. I can buy any immigrant I want.
    Pandemic? What’s a pandemic?
    Economy? Check. I’m rich. I have Force Majeure if it tanks. No problem.
    Foreign policy? Check. You foreigners are stupid. Pay me.

  77. JCer says:

    no policy is preferable to bad policy…….

    On healthcare, the ACA is simply unsustainable and will collapse under it’s own weight unless we take action to control healthcare spending. The dems confused policy which is neither socialized medicine nor cost reform is a nightmare waiting to happen. We need cost controls, centralized standards, reform against the insurance companies and frankly I support the notion of a public option(if the government can do it more cheaply by all means, it doesn’t seem likely) but it cannot operate at a deficit premiums must cover the program.

    On immigration Trump is right we should move to a merit based program, I fail to see how complicit acceptance of illegal immigration(Biden has never excepted to fix it) is a policy.

    On the economy stopping the inversions by moving towards a territorial taxation policy makes sense. Freeing companies from excessive regulation and allowing the market to work is the policy we need, especially when they are under pressure from a pandemic/recession/depression.

    On foreign policy, Trump has unexpectedly been ok. He is applying pressure to both allies and enemies alike. He has promoted peace in a way that the prior president did not.

  78. Phoenix says:

    JCer,
    The guy paid 750 dollars in taxes after spending 70k on that mop on his head.

    He is a moral misfit. I don’t care how legal it is. There is no moral reason that I should be paying substantially more in taxes than he does. Even Warren Buffet admits things like this are wrong.

    Take Jennifer. She is a single mom, her car breaks down. Towed to the dealer they offer her 1k for the car. They replace the battery for 50.00, and sell the car for 7k. They talk her into a used car that they profit again by 4k.
    Sure it’s legal. No one is going to prosecute them. It’s business, right? Her children now have no food, or no internet for school. She needed the money, but they needed it more.
    F Legal. What Trump does is legal, but not moral. Biden does the same thing, him and his misfit son. And Hillary. And Bill.
    They all suck.

  79. Phoenix says:

    ” I support the notion of a public option”

    What about Medicare? Do you support the public option of getting rid of it in the next 24 hours? Cause I do. No punting, no overtime, sudden death. No passing the buck to the youth like has been your habit for how long now- like forever?

    Boomers are you ready to get your coupon? 20 % RomneyCare healthcare discount coupon. Enter code #youwherethethesundon’tshine for an additional 5% cash back.
    Just wait till you have to pay 80% of your Covid bill, your knee replacement, or your triple bypass from all of the booze, cigarettes, and extra cheese you put in your gullet.

  80. A Home Buyer says:

    How does one get into a career at the US Department of Moral Affairs, tasked with punishing individuals who follow the written law but violate the shared morals held by “all”?

    Asking for a friend.

  81. Fast Eddie says:

    One of the underlying reasons the left hates Trump so much is because he accomplishes so much in a manner in which their side cannot. It’s stark and glaring in comparison to the Oblay-blay/O’Biden administration and will be even more so if O’Biden gets elected. Adding fuel to the fire is the fact that the conservatives will have a super majority in the high court in a matter of weeks. The S.C. is the left’s platform to pass legislation because it’s rare when they can pass their useless agenda through Congress. They needed assistance from the S.C. Justices.

  82. chicagofinance says:

    Exactly why I posted yesterday…..

    JCer says:
    September 30, 2020 at 11:43 am
    Trump has multiple independent accountants and tax layers, before anything goes into the returns multiple opinions are written by distinct tax attorney’s and accountants, because of that you’ll never convict him of “tax fraud”, the IRS can disallow the maneuver but what ever has been done has some precedent or justification. Trumps taxes are nothing like yours, also we have no clue as to the validity of the leaked information.

    chicagofinance says:
    September 29, 2020 at 3:40 pm
    There is the form and the substance….. someone knows the “why”; all this garbage is merely pablum looking at the “what” and make half-a%%ed guesses…..unless you have all the accounts involved, the jurisdictions, the taxing authorities et al., what is the point except to mislead?

    There is no question that Trump recruits shysters and scumbags, but that does not mean some Twitter mope can play this game with any authority…..

    Fabius Maximus says:
    September 29, 2020 at 3:15 pm
    Here is a nice piece on one of his Scottish Golf Courses.

    https://twitter.com/adamdavidson/status/1310929478030426112

  83. JCer says:

    Phoenix, actually depending on the jurisdiction that might not be legal, what you are describing could be considered fraud.

    What Trump spends on his hair is his business and those dollars are still taxed on the income from the company doing his hair, as a TV personality it is a legitimate business expense. Again we don’t know about the validity of the tax information, we do know he has tax credits, and carry over losses(guy legitimately lost a billion dollars, as well as depreciation). So he isn’t necessarily avoiding taxation, with recapture the tax will eventually be repaid when the asset is sold. There have been years Trump has paid more in income tax than we will pay in our entire lives. The tax code cat and mouse game will always be played by the rich, all the more reason to simplify the code…..but establishment politicians hide gifts in the code for certain people make no mistake some of these loopholes are intentional hence they are never fixed.

  84. leftwing says:

    “The IRS has a longer memory than the news cycle…”

    If the tax years are settled with the IRS, they are settled. Move on, the government did. They aren’t being re-opened.

    “Tax avoidance means trying to get the most deductions legally permissible under the tax code.” No sh1t. Pretty basic concept.

    “[Akerman] said the bombshell New York Times report on President Donald Trump’s taxes suggests that he could ultimately face time behind bars along with his daughter…No question about it, Nick Akerman told CNN…Tax evasion is a five-year felony.”

    And yet the NYT who had a dozen teams of lawyers scrubbing every word before publicly releasing involuntarily obtained confidential financial information on a sitting President specifically went only up to the “tax avoidance” line, never asserting fraud….but this armchair analyst with no access to primary materials sees fraud….yeah, OK. Solid reporting, CNN. Thanks for keeping us factually informed.

    Listen, again, Trump is an idiot and a horrible businessman…no argument there…but hate to break the Left’s hearts all dreaming of unicorns, lollipops, and jail time…for whatever reason you may find his returns personally offensive there is nothing asserted by the Times nor on the face of their disclosures that comes close to demonstrating he did anything illegal…and for l0rd’s sake if there is one thing we could likely all agree on if the NYT had dirt on DJT that demonstrated him doing something illegal THAT would have been the headline…

    Cut and pasted, here is the actual headline. Above the fold in font size reserved for the 9/11 attacks…”Long-Concealed Records Show Trump’s Chronic Losses and Years of Tax Avoidance”. In all caps, of course. They were dying to print ‘fraud’, ‘evasion’, or ‘illegal’. But didn’t, because even with the actual returns they couldn’t.

    So, good for NYT and Team Blue, nice driveby hit. From a dispassionate political observer’s perspective I respect your move. But make sure you keep to the lighted side of the street and in a group because payback will surely come…

  85. Phoenix says:

    A Home Buyer,

    You don’t. There is no such “career.” So you choose to or you don’t, and you set your moral “standard” to whatever you want and you go about your day just like everyone else does.
    Then, when some drunk hits you with their car and has no insurance, you cry about it and go on disability and claim to be a victim. Cause that person did not get a job either at the US Department of Moral Affairs, and nor did they care about your written law. So you suck it up.

    What is all this talk about “God” by both candidates? Is that about morals or law?
    I’d wager that 60 percent of pre-menopausal Catholic women are on birth control yet they go to a church that does not believe in it. I’d also wager 10% have had an abortion as well.

    Not voting for someone is not punishment. It’s also why I do not agree that either candidate should be charged with a crime for the tax issues. It’s legal. It’s all good. When a cop loads you with lead because he “thinks” you had a gun when it was a cell phone, remember, it’s legal. At least now you have a check to cash to ponder this while you sit in your wheelchair as you smell the odors wafting from your colostomy bag. At that time you can enjoy your thoughts on what was legal and what is moral.

  86. homeboken says:

    “Trump did a 2T plus tax cut at a time when the economy was chugging along fine. What is a good time to raise taxes to start reducing debt?”

    The answer to this is absolutely never. Our current tax revenue base is more than sufficient to cover our spending. We do not have a revenue problem. We have a spending problem.

    I want to pay down the debt as well. I certainly want to see us operate on a balanced budget. But the answer to “when is it a good time to raise taxes” is NEVER.

    An overhaul of the tax code would be a great place to start.

  87. chicagofinance says:

    JCer says:
    September 30, 2020 at 11:48 am
    I totally think Trump can lose don’t get me wrong. I think it will be close.

    The stock market hates uncertainty.

    A contested election would be an anathema to the investment climate.

    With Biden clearly in the lead in many key jurisdictions, last night was Trump’s chance to close the gap and draw closer to even. Regardless of rhetoric or dime-a-dozen opinions, here is the stock market’s reaction to the potential of uncertainty and a contested election. If it was concerned, we would have sold off……
    https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/%5EGSPC?p=^GSPC

  88. JCer says:

    Chi, my dad designed a lot of Trump’s legal entity structure in the 1980’s. We have employed many strategies for our family on an obviously much smaller scale, we are frequently audited and our accountants and lawyers have never had an issue, nothing has been invalidated nothing has been challenged, the legal opinions get submitted with the audit and the IRS doesn’t like to challenge them because they fear they will lose in court and then the decision will basically codify the tax loophole.

  89. leftwing says:

    “A Home Buyer says:
    How does one get into a career at the US Department of Moral Affairs, tasked with punishing individuals who follow the written law but violate the shared morals held by “all”? Asking for a friend.”

    LOL. Post of the week. Once hired, can you refer me for a job in the Outrage Group? Based on the coasts, of course…

  90. Phoenix says:

    Jcer,
    Sure it could be considered fraud. With what penalty? Some guy died over selling a loose cigarette. They going to handcuff Trump? That’s laughable. Or Biden’s son? Never.

    Rules are different for some. Some animals are more equal than others. Those animals get PBA cards.

  91. SomeOne says:

    Fast Eddie says:
    September 30, 2020 at 10:53 am
    RentL0rd,

    F.uck you, d1ck!! I didn’t know what it was and looked it up. Go f.uck yourself, @ssh0le.
    =======
    gary says:
    December 29, 2006 at 7:04 pm
    dreamtheaterr,

    This is a real estate blog, dispense your anger to your doctor, not here.
    ======

    Forgot to take your own medicine?

  92. Phoenix says:

    AHB,
    But if you would like to attempt such a venture, a start would be SCOTUS. Of course plenty of hoops to get in.
    Now in theory, one is only supposed to apply the law there. Recently there is a woman, ACB, who has been nominated for this position. It’s the highest court in the land. Now her job would be to apply the law as it is written. But many fear that she will not do this, but will instead rule based on her moral background.

    I have no way of knowing if this will happen. But it does seem that this might be the place you should apply to if this is what you would like to do.

    Plus as a bonus, it’s a lifetime appointment. So if you get in, you can, in theory, enjoy punishing those you choose based on your moral standards.

    I’d be willing to give you a reference if you like, although it would mean absolutely nothing.
    Good luck in your choice of career and I wish you success in obtaining your goals!

  93. SmallGovConservative says:

    A Home Buyer says:
    September 30, 2020 at 12:36 pm
    How does one get into a career at the US Department of Moral Affairs…

    Another dept that won’t be necessary if voters would allow Trump to drain the swamp. Joe, of course, is a lifelong denizen of the DC swamp. He’s had almost 50 years to help write tax code that would ensure billionaires like Trump pay more tax — but he hasn’t. He’s had almost 50 years to ensure our trade agreements ensure not just free trade, but fair trade (for US manufacturers) — but he hasn’t. He’s had almost 50 years to address all of the things that you complain about — but he hasn’t. So your solution is to give another four. What a dope.

  94. ExEssex says:

    1:07 Wow, small world….my mom’s brother worked as one of the Directors at 1st Boston in the 80s. We all still vividly remember when Trump stiffed the bondholders at First Boston……neat…..

  95. Phoenix says:

    “Joe, of course, is a lifelong denizen of the DC swamp. He’s had almost 50 years to help write tax code that would ensure billionaires like Trump pay more tax — but he hasn’t. He’s had almost 50 years to ensure our trade agreements ensure not just free trade, but fair trade (for US manufacturers) — but he hasn’t. He’s had almost 50 years to address all of the things that you complain about — but he hasn’t. ”

    I am Phoenix, and I approve this message.

  96. Phoenix says:

    “In it, Trump adopted a highly unusual defense, known as “force majeure”. He claimed that the 2008 economic crisis was a “once-in-a-century credit tsunami”, an act of God that was equivalent to an earthquake.

    Since it couldn’t have been anticipated, and it wasn’t his fault, he wasn’t obliged to pay Deutsche anything. It wouldn’t get the $40m or the outstanding $330m, his writ said.

    He went further. Trump claimed Deutsche Bank had actually helped cause the crunch. Therefore it owed him. Trump demanded $3bn from Deutsche in compensation.”

    However, those that put deposits on those units were told by Trump they need to pay since they did not have a “force majeure” clause.

    So an act of God to one is not the same as an act to God of another.

  97. homeboken says:

    The biggest surpirse, that I see, from the debate last night was…the ratings!

    Early projections show that the television audience was down 36% from 2016 1st debate, Trump v Clinton.

    I have no clue if this accounts for on-line viewership but I was very surprised to see that this debate didn’t garner more eyeballs. Seriously thought this was going to be a bigly ratings event.

    Any take-aways from the group? Low ratings = low interest? Or did the smart people know what they were going to get and decided to do anything but watch the debate? I think the non-viewer was the biggest winner.

  98. Libturd says:

    What Trump spends on his hair is his business. How can one spend $70,000 on hair? It’s just not possible. This is clearly fraud. You need to look no further.

    I think when I do my taxes this year, I will claim $250,000 in clothing donations to the AM-VETS. Fear not for me lacking evidence of such donation as I plan to snip the locks on a donation or bin or two and will haul the bags and bags of clothes to my home for a quick photo shoot before returning them.

    You cool with this? Because this is exactly what the “clown” is doing. It’s no surprise he was hiding it.

    Lucky for him, with all of this tax savings, he can easily afford the type of lawyers that will defend him from being found to be the shyster of which he absolutely is.

    I hope I have enough saved to be able to afford to defend myself from black-plastic-bags-of-clothes-gate.

  99. stan says:

    Its been a long time since I posted, I see all are well here.
    Just a couple points that become glaring when you read through the recent postings.

    The all high and might moral superiority from the anti trump contingent, one in particular, is tough to read, I find myself skipping those posts, though some of them may be factually correct. There is zero moral superiority in this here election. Trump’s greatest accomplishment, is to willingly illustrate how disgusting our political elite are. I can include him in that, albeit for less than one term, but it took someone of his persuasion to get the whole world to see it.

    Libturd, always enjoy reading your posts, and following some of your anecdotes on being thrifty and investing. I will say I think you are overestimating Biden’s chances of winning, I can visualize a higher population number, and Trump still winning electorally. Trumps goal last night was to dissuade voters, those in the middle, certainly those on the left, it may work.

  100. Juice Box says:

    Lib – It’s was a retainer probably incudes lots of travel, it’s not like he is going to Super Cuts when he hits LA or NY or DC any salon at all. They come to him on demand perhaps every day. The stylist may have gotten a bit extra for wearing tight clothes and telling him how great he looks.

  101. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    Trump fvcked up. He tried what worked against Hillary, which was to punch hard enough to get her off kilter. Despite her lifetime of robbing and looting the public, she was a relative novice to campaigning and it shook her.

    The same tactic didn’t work against a 47 year lifelong pol who reverts to a shitty grin when he’s caught in the headlights. He’s been through it before and kept his cool.

    No worry, time to recalculate. Give Biden enough rope next time to hang himself. And he wil of course. His mind is shot. All that he had last night were empty platitudes like Bama. Make him say more.

    And the idea that the proud boys are white suprmecidts is a joke. Agitators yes, but the racist crap is all a canard. The BLM movement is almost entirely about advancing Marxism.

  102. Juice Box says:

    More meat please.

    Comey today in front of the Senate today remotely doing quite a dance.

    “Doesn’t ring a bell”
    “I have trouble understanding”
    “I can’t answer that because I don’t agree with the premise of your question”

    Live on CNN

    https://www.cnn.com/specials/live-video-1

  103. Juice Box says:

    What a dance Comey did.

    Comey saying he didn’t sign the FISA warrant requests, just “certified” them

    You know like a clerk at the DMV.

  104. RentL0rd says:

    Phoenix, you are a W-2?
    If you are a W-2 AND support Trump, you belong to the stupidest group in America. I can understand the corner store owner siphoning a few dollars here and there and thinking what he does is similar to Trump and support him. But a W-2? There’s just no excuse.

  105. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    Brennan, Comey and McCabe and Strzok deserve to be executed for why they tried, whoch was a coup attempt.

  106. chicagofinance says:

    I exempt your dad from the “shysters and scumbags”……

    ….as an aside…. COOL!

    JCer says:
    September 30, 2020 at 1:07 pm
    Chi, my dad designed a lot of Trump’s legal entity structure in the 1980’s. We have employed many strategies for our family on an obviously much smaller scale, we are frequently audited and our accountants and lawyers have never had an issue, nothing has been invalidated nothing has been challenged, the legal opinions get submitted with the audit and the IRS doesn’t like to challenge them because they fear they will lose in court and then the decision will basically codify the tax loophole.

  107. leftwing says:

    “It just keeps coming. Racism in the justice system.”

    Phoenix, don’t cry. Leverage it to your advantage.

    I have a BLM bumper sticker I keep in console pocket. If I get pulled over it will go in the windshield. Cop will give me the ‘do you know why I pulled you over’ and I will go there – very politely but firmly and after informing him the encountered is being recorded.

    Guarantee I could be doing 110 and I’ll get off. Better than a detective’s shield.

    C’mon man!

  108. leftwing says:

    “What Trump spends on his hair is his business. How can one spend $70,000 on hair? It’s just not possible. This is clearly fraud. You need to look no further.”

    “Lib – It’s was a retainer probably incudes lots of travel, it’s not like he is going to Super Cuts when he hits LA or NY…”

    Why even try? He’s already told you his mind is made up regardless.

  109. chicagofinance says:

    How about American Realty Capital…… in their SEC filings where buried entertainment expenses as part of their syndication (i.e. lap dances, hookers, due diligence)

    https://www.investmentnews.com/how-nick-schorsch-lost-his-mojo-2-64464

  110. Juice Box says:

    Left – How about have a bit of twisted fun with his $70,000 hair bill? Halloween is coming might as well make it a bit ghoulish.

    How about posting this one on twitter….

    Trumps hair treatments are soo expensive because his hair plugs are taken from only young blond hair german boys of only the purest aryan blood lines and flown in monthly for follicle transplant, the grafts are rejected quite often because well Trump isn’t a pure blood after all.

  111. Juice Box says:

    Speaking of Goulish, more testimony today in the Assange etradition hearing.

    Seems someone here in the ole USA wanted Assange dead. Could it be everyone’s favorite gal from Chicago that ran for POTUS in 2016?

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/sep/30/us-intelligence-sources-discussed-poisoning-julian-assange-court-told?CMP=share_btn_tw

  112. SomeOne says:

    leftwing,

    That lady spent 17 years in prison for no fault. Her nephew burned the house and another one later on, and the prosecutor gave that guy immunity. The prosecutor’s racism probably hides his incompetence and laziness. It is a perfect example of the “get easy wins, no matter how” culture of the US prosecutors (independent of the red team vs blue team drama).

    I know you jest about showing a BLM sticker to a cop. For the ones that are BLM supporters, the cop have immense control and if the cop is a bad apple, all bets are off.

  113. leftwing says:

    Not just a black issue if you were around for how these police/court actions affect several here on this board, myself included….

    I can be pissed, or have gallows humor, or play some fcukery for my little retribution when it’s available.

    On any given day I’m likely 10/30/60 split among the above.

  114. Nomad says:

    AEI on work from home:

    https://www.aei.org/research-products/report/the-great-american-land-rush-of-2020/

    The Great American Land Rush of 2020 is underway in many metro areas across the country. Large numbers of American workers are untethered from a central office. As a result many are moving to less dense areas with less expensive land (and homes) and more of both. The greater New York City and Los Angeles metros are the hardest hit. Take NYC where single-family residential land per acre is 24 times as expensive in the densest quintile of zip codes as compared to the least dense quintile ($3.06 million vs. $129,000). But most large metros are experiencing intra-metro movement to less dense and less expensive areas.

    COVID-19 has been the catalyst for this Land Rush. First is the unprecedented shift to working from home. At-home workers are highly educated, with above average incomes and a tendency to live in large, coastal urban areas, especially New York City, Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Jose, Seattle, and Boston. An estimated 42 percent of the 155 million U.S. labor force is working from home full-time during the pandemic, up from 5.2 percent in 2017. Business leaders and employees think increased levels of remote work is here to stay. Post-pandemic, the share of days spent working at home is expected to increase fourfold, from 5 percent to 20 percent. And will likely be even higher in large coastal metros. In a recent survey that asked home buyers what they want, these 6 answers accounted for 90 percent of the responses: more space to work, more space, a bigger yard, more recreational space, more home learning space, and a less expensive home. If working from home is an option: a more spacious, less expensive home on more land and further away from traditional job centers addresses all six.

    Capital goes where it’s welcome and stays where it’s well treated.” Areas will find that their financial and human capital will flee if not treated better.

  115. ExEssex says:

    Sounds like Randolph is about to take off if it hasn’t already.

  116. ExEssex says:

    nts
    Clare Bronfman, 41, was sentenced to 81 months in prison on Wednesday at the US District Court in Brooklyn
    She was also ordered to pay $500,000 for her role in the NXIVM case
    Bronfman is the first member of the notorious NXIVM group, led by disgraced founder Keith Raniere, to be sentenced
    Bronfman pleaded guilty last year to charges of racketeering conspiracy and conspiracy to commit identity theft
    NXIVM leader Keith Raniere was convicted last year of turning women into sex slaves who were branded with his initials

  117. Phoenix says:

    “New Jersey’s pension fund for government workers on Wednesday reported a return of 1.2% in the fiscal year that ended June 30, trailing its policy benchmark and other large public public pension funds.

    The state assumes the fund will return 7.5 percent on its investments over the long term.”

    Good job by the professionals whose job it is to manage this portfolio. Get ready to pony up again taxpayers of N.J.

  118. Phoenix says:

    LW,
    Damn right.

    But I guess if you look like us they treat you great.

    Yeah, right.

  119. Fabius Maximus says:

    There have been a lot of good videos coming out today, but I think Weird Al is the clear winner.

    https://twitter.com/alyankovic/status/1311415596509278209

  120. Phoenix says:

    Female teacher at it again, the old double standard, it’s not called rape when a woman does it, it’s called a “relationship.” A whopping 6 month penalty.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8789837/Wisconsin-school-worker-jailed-exposing-student.html

  121. No One says:

    inadequately hot to get off scott free.

  122. Libturd says:

    I’m up nearly 30% on the year on all of my investments combined, minus my home and investment property. NJ has to implode soon.

  123. homeboken says:

    100,000 ballots sent out in NY with errors in the security system.

    We haven’t even really started with this circus yet and there are already massive problems.

    This election is going to be an unmitigated disaster. Time to add some more OTM puts for mid Nov expiry.

  124. Juice Box says:

    Lib- Isn’t nice to score a goal once in a while, be sure to cash out.

    I am watching banking leverage, nobody is lendingd, and the latest bill from the 80 yr old wit*ch is coming, so pick your Halloween poison.

  125. JUice Box says:

    homeboken – blue cities don’t turn red because some fools cannot mail or lick and envelope. There in no need to cheat in NYC.

  126. homeboken says:

    South Park Pandemic Special – pretty perfect hour of cartoons if I say so myself.

  127. Fabius Maximus says:

    Fred Perry suspending sales of the shirt the proud boys have adopted.

    https://www.complex.com/style/2020/09/fred-perry-far-right-association

    Juice, can you check with your Spandex friends if they can make that Mankini in the PB Black and Gold colors. I will need to check with Gary that he still is a 36 Short. With all that bike riding he may be down to a 34

  128. Juice Box says:

    YEah so got to do it….

    Am I the only one here that has a tale of a family member returning to the old country (with family and money) or leaving for another country that did not go well….(always about money it seems).

    I am not going first….

  129. Juice Box says:

    Fab, so it took a while for you to get on to their money making operation. That is OK, last I checked even Banksy was maneuvering to making loads of loot off it, old news these days..

    Let me ask you does buying feminine wear make you feel alive? OK by me as we need you around as a foil.. Did someone mention fencing today?

  130. Grim says:

    Murphy should ban travel in and out of Lakewood… just saying.

    We have quarantined whole states for less.

  131. Fabius Maximus says:

    Juice that shirt in that color combination has always had issues. It was adopted by the Skinheads back in the 80s. That is why the PBs have copied it.

    For those that are interested, here is a two minute clip that will explain the proud boys.
    https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1306805724975046659

    I dont watch Joe Rogan, but the “mostly fun” comment says a lot. I’m not condemming this for what it is and in some ways agreeing and normalizing it.

    DFENS, notice the glasses hair and pocket protector. There is a lot of Pop Culture appropriation with these guys. You have to work out where you sit on this.

  132. Grim says:

    Fred Perry has always been skinhead attire

  133. Fabius Maximus says:

    Redux

    ” I’m not condemning this for what it is and in some ways agreeing and normalizing it.”

    is my option of what Joe Rogan takes from this.

  134. No One says:

    homebound,
    I thought the funniest part was the bar scenes in China when Mickey Mouse gets Randy high and convinces him to screw the bat, then the pangolin.
    But I thought the blame everything on Trump element was just lazy.

  135. Phoenix says:

    So Americans enjoy investing in stock from a company that spies on fellow Americans.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8789155/Secretive-never-profitable-Palantir-makes-market-debut.html

  136. njtownhomer says:

    “because he accomplishes so much”, what exactly did he accomplish? He lost jobs from the day he started to present for gods sake.

    Since 2001, the manufacturing, production of actual goods are in a decay. Last 3 years, the move to abroad for manufacturing, IT, anything done with a laptop and a phone is further increased. Honestly currently there is only financing, some internet services, data crunching software, cloud and networking technology left in US. All tangible technologies in hardware, aerospace, rockets, missiles etc are on a downward slope with not much demand. The high quality immigrants who can be the next-gen innovators are shunned away. On top of that there are increases in number of Karens, proud boys and bible-belt types who do not have much contribution to the production economy.

    After Trump got in the office, the tourism to US also dropped significantly. The dislike to anything US related is livid abroad and this will diminish the value of dollar at some point. We are close to the eventual turning point. I think next administration will face that outcome.

  137. Fast Eddie says:

    The dislike to anything US related is livid abroad…

    And yet people risk their lives to come to America.

  138. 3b says:

    Tourists did not stop coming to the USA because Trump won , that is nonsense.

  139. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    The proud boys issue is dumb. It shows what a biased narrator Wallace was by parroting the propaganda industry narrative on race.

    The street violence is a right vs left issue but they like to conflate it with race to influence the feeble minded like you can see here. The wanton destruction in the street is entirely left.

  140. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    Masculinity is intimidating to some. Freedom of speech is as well. These types love hiding behind political correctness and government coercion. They are the enemies of liberty and their candidate is Biden the puppet. It’s all radicals pulling his strings.

  141. Phoenix says:

    Truth,
    This organization seems to be the gold standard that everyone uses to decide if a group is a hate group. Do you believe this organization is correct in their description? Are they just wrong with this group but not others that you may approve/disapprove of? Is this organization trustworthy and should we believe the data we get from them?

    https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/proud-boys

  142. homeboken says:

    For the Biden supporters here, a question:

    How do you feel about Biden/Harris hesitation to answer the question regarding the Supreme Court packing? Is this a non-issue to you? Do you support adding more justices or not?

    There are other issues, that the media is pushing as fringe, tertiary issues but I think are substantial. For example, the Senate fillibuster and DC/PR statehood. Are these meaningful to you as a DNC voter?

    The fillibuster in particular seems odd to me, it is painfully obvious why it should exist. For example, the ACB nomination. If Harry Reid and his DNC colleagues did not nuke that procedural rule in 2013, then the entire ACB issue would not even be on the radar any longer.

    To me, it comes to foresight, or rather a total lack of foresight. Removing the fillibuster only speeds up the process by which government can F things up. Like everything in life, small moves of progress are sustainable. Big sweeping moves are very dangerous.

  143. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    They may have been a gold standard at one time, they are now political activists. The hate designation is a joke, it’s used to silence and intimidate anyone who doesn’t conform to the progressive agenda. Churches, charities whatever.

    The same way the aclu gave up on liberties and instead focus on securing special privileges. They have been coopted.

  144. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    Lol. The proud boys promote “general hate”. What does that even mean?

  145. BRT says:

    The majors issues from the statements made by Biden to me are as follows:

    1. He refuses to answer a question on packing the court and creating new justices.
    2. He promotes a distrust of vaccinations that are going through the proper trials
    3. He is makes no actual statements to the economy or business in general other than the tired rich got richer, not enough taxes line. I’m sorry, did that not happen under the 8 years you were VP as well?
    4. He thinks we can promote domestic production simply buying advocating to buy American rather than steer market forces in that direction through tariffs (why is a tax on foreign goods the only one they hate?)
    5. He thinks ACA was a success.
    6. He refuses to acknowledge that Antifa is an actual organization (with non-traditional structure) that has thousands of people show up, dressed the same way, at specific locations on a daily basis to break the law and cause damage, and attack anyone filming their actions.

  146. chicagofinance says:

    Fast Eddie: dedicated to O’Biden
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70fEmjOsLh8

  147. Libturd says:

    It’s over. You can take it to the bank.

    Juice,

    What’s crazy about my return is that besides a sizeable portion in VUG which I got out of when I told you all I did, I’m in mainly risk-averse stocks. When I say risk averse, these are all growth stocks with at least five years of consistent earnings and sales growth > 20%. Outside of Amazon, I hardly ever touch a stock with a P/E over 35. In my dumb money (401k) I got my 25% in large cap growth and mostly abandoned ship. I simply don’t understand how anyone couldn’t make 7.5% this year. I am currently around 25% in/75% out. I upped my numbers from 10% a few weeks ago when it became certain to me that Biden locked this thing up. How did I know? Look at private health care care stocks. As Chi says, the market speaks.

    I still think this market is one small event away from a pretty significant collapse, so I think I’m going to stay right where I am mix wise until it either happens, or something makes me feel differently.

    Everyone. Don’t listen to me. I have no friggin’ clue what I’m doing. Do your own research. Invest in Trump and his 750,000 manufacturing jobs. How many eligible workers are there in this country?

  148. chicagofinance says:

    For the Trump supporters here, a question: this following stuff was quality topics for the debate; why couldn’t Trump maintain enough focus to corner Biden with this stuff?

    homeboken says:
    October 1, 2020 at 8:52 am
    For the Biden supporters here, a question:

    How do you feel about Biden/Harris hesitation to answer the question regarding the Supreme Court packing? Is this a non-issue to you? Do you support adding more justices or not?

    There are other issues, that the media is pushing as fringe, tertiary issues but I think are substantial. For example, the Senate fillibuster and DC/PR statehood. Are these meaningful to you as a DNC voter?

    The fillibuster in particular seems odd to me, it is painfully obvious why it should exist. For example, the ACB nomination. If Harry Reid and his DNC colleagues did not nuke that procedural rule in 2013, then the entire ACB issue would not even be on the radar any longer.

    To me, it comes to foresight, or rather a total lack of foresight. Removing the fillibuster only speeds up the process by which government can F things up. Like everything in life, small moves of progress are sustainable. Big sweeping moves are very dangerous.

  149. chicagofinance says:

    Don’t fight the Fed……. if that feels like bullsh1t, it should ……. the entire thing is a pile of crap….. that’s the hand we have been dealt……

    Libturd says:
    October 1, 2020 at 10:00 am
    I still think this market is one small event away from a pretty significant collapse

  150. homeboken says:

    Chi – Trump is a very weak debater. I know the narrative that he is some pitbull or shark but he makes a fatal flaw. He doesn’t understand that the thoughts in his brain get distorted by the time it comes out of his mouth.

    An effective debate at the POTUS level needs to be dumbed down, by a lot. The average Amercian has no clue what a fillibuster is supposed to do. They have no clue how many SCOTUS justices there are, crap, aside from Ginsburg, I bet more than 50% of Americans could not even name one justice.

    Remember the Carlin rule – Think of how dumb the average person is…no realize, have of them are dumber than that.

  151. homeboken says:

    Corrected –

    Remember the Carlin rule – Think of how dumb the average person is…now realize, half of them are dumber than that

  152. Juice Box says:

    Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

    ― Mark Twain

  153. Juice Box says:

    Don’t fight the FED.

    Yes don’t even try as they will bury you with trillions. 3 Trillion since the pandemic began.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MABMM301USM189S

  154. BRT says:

    Chi,

    I assume Trump could easily do it. Why he doesn’t is beyond me. My guess is arrogance. Instead of actually preparing, he likes to wing it. There were a number of things that any person with a high IQ would have crushed him on. i.e. “The green new deal will pay for itself” Do you support the green new deal then? “No”.

  155. Fast Eddie says:

    Benny Hill… always had the hottest women!

  156. Juice Box says:

    And by another measure MZM 4 Trillion since the pandemic began

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MZM

  157. Libturd says:

    “Don’t fight the Fed”

    I so want to believe this. But this country is turning dumber and poorer by the day. At some point, she’s got to give. We can’t all work for Amazon, plus Amazon pays such little taxes to boot. This is a long-term recipe for disaster and I see no desire to change it. Trump and too much of the the wealthy pay too little. Tons of states are about to head to the Federal trough for a bailout. The economies still generally in the sh1tter. The only thing moving up is the market. It’s just such a huge disconnect. Usually when these disconnects occur, the market implodes. Factor in the underperformance of the global economy and it’s got to reverse at some point.

    I’ll be happy to miss some of the gains in exchange for less risk. This has been a heck of a bull run. Anyone who says they can’t time the market hasn’t been watching it long enough or gets caught up in the black tulips.

    Nom asked me to review a few stocks and asked me for a name back on June 28th. I gave him one name which was BLD when it was at 107. They are a residential housing construction outfit, mainly specializing in insulation installation. Boring as sh1t, but the most consistent growth you can find. And they were the lowest they’ve been in their P/E channel in a long while. It’s at 171 this morning and still valued fairly since their last earnings report beat by close to 50%. What have the indexes done in this time period? Well BLD is up 61%. The nasty is up 15% and the DOW and NYSE are up 12 and 11% respectively. Boring as sh1t. That’s how you win.

    Out of every 5 stocks (which is about the average I hold at a time) I usually end up with 3 that pretty much match the indexes they are in. One that loses slightly to it and one that outperforms dramatically. This is how you beat the market. It’s been working pretty consistently for me now since the mid 90s. This and getting out when the market is overheated and getting back in when it’s cooled off. Of course you can’t nail the top and the bottom, but you don’t need to.

    I looked at my net worth yesterday for the first time in a while. I can’t friggin’ believe how much our family has accumulated even against the adversity of our horrible tax treatment, the D’s cancer, educational and legal costs as well as raising a travel hockey player. Frugality and sharp investing are truly a dangerous combination. Now that I’m getting into the crazy compounding years, it’s really astonishing. I can’t believe my initial goal was to make 30K by age 30. :P

  158. JUice Box says:

    Just a bit more.

    The Fed suspended mark-to-market. Bank assets are literally marked to fantasy, like Trump and his idea of his wealth. We all know he is in the hole big time but he continues to claim to be worth 8 billon on his money losing properties that are marked to fantasy.

    Deflation could happen when asset prices fall. So the Fed has spun up all of these new lending facilities and have taken trillions off the banks balance sheets. A few trillion in mortgages for example. Were does that cash go? Is it being lent? YUP.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/BUSLOANS

    How far will they have to go? If and when Covid-19 comes back roaring an we go into lockdown again? FED is going to have to start buying more and more.

    Fun Times….

  159. Juice Box says:

    Lib – quality of life is going down for everyone but the rich. The savings rate is way way up people are not spending they are fearful, no vacations, no new outfits, no new, cars shoes etc. Will it come roaring back when the vaccine is out next year?

    Yes, but with it will be inflation, lots of it.

  160. homeboken says:

    Anyone see Joe’s train stop tour yesterday in PA?

    The only comment I had is that Joe seemed to be fighting a deep chested cough.

    Not saying he is faking it, I don’t beleive that he is that good of an actor. He might actually just have a chest cold, OR…

  161. Juice Box says:

    Mnuchin and Pelosi are trying to make nice again, new 1.6 trillion bailout bill. Not sure if the Turtle will go along yet. He might need a few bucks for his reelection campaign as he only has a 7 point lead.

  162. 3b says:

    Juice: And yet some people are spending ridiculous amounts of money on real estate close to NYC, even crap shacks on Kinderkamack Rd, an incredibly busy street are going. When the bubble pops it’s going to be ugly! We need a complete reset!

  163. JCer says:

    BRT Trump is not a good debater, he also was getting very flustered by the questions which were framed in a very aggressive way against the incumbent . He was on the defensive for almost the entire debate which I think exacerbated the issue of him interrupting. Almost every question was along the lines of all this bad stuff happened, people have criticized your response what are you going to do about it and in the middle of the response Wallace would press Trump whereas the question to Biden was framed as Trump fcuked up tell us what he did wrong or basically what are your talking points about X, Wallace never pressed Biden on anything. Trump is fragile(his ego) and he was played like a fiddle in that debate, it almost seems like the Biden campaign coordinated this with the moderator. Biden lied more in the debate than even Trump which is an accomplishment.

    I have no confidence in either of these guys but as I told my wife yesterday the Democratic party would hold up NJ, IL, and CA as good examples of their policies. We are living it, businesses are failing, people are struggling, we are in the midst of a pandemic and our law makers are passing laws about bags because that should be the priority and anyone should be concerned about this when they are struggling to operate safely, effectively, and profitably. The priorities of the democrats is so out of whack, rather than focus on what really matters, their key concerns are plastic bags, transgender bathrooms, the climate change boogyman that they have no clue how to solve without starving the poor,racial tensions based around ridiculous narratives rather than the real problems. At the moment there are two massive concerns and everything else needs to take a back seat, it’s the pandemic and the economy that has been seriously harmed by it. The vast majority of americans are concerned about their health and their financial well being how are they paying the mortgage or rent, what is happening with their job will it continue to exist? Is their employer going to reduce their pay? Given the circumstance both sides need to put the political agenda on hold and not only has that not happened but the dems have escalated their political agenda.

  164. Juice Box says:

    3b – House around the corner from me sold just in 1 day way over ask, not even fixed up.

    Another anecdotal housing story, a person I know who was in the middle of closing on their house got laid off yesterday. I wonder what he can do perhaps call the mortgage company and have them tank the loan.

  165. Phoenix says:

    “We need a complete reset!”

    Don’t worry. We are going to get one. Big time.

    I know so many that are already stretched to their limits. TikTikTikTik

  166. 3b says:

    Juice: Not surprised. People never learn . It’s different this time, and yes it is in that the collapse will be worse. Feel bad for the guy, closing and no job. Hopefully he has some recourse.

  167. Libturd says:

    JCER,

    You are mostly right. But you don’t save the economy by bastardizing the use of masks and lying about nearly every negative aspect of the pandemic. Easter? Come the fukc on.

    But you are right about Biden’s concerns. It’s politics as usual for the Dems.

    It will be their turn soon. I expect a major browbeating from the peanut gallery here if no action is taken to stem the continued spread.

    Fake wires, teleprompters, shots in the ass? Now you are sounding like a teacher in Wayne Homeboken.

    Just to be clear. I do not consider those assholes in Lakewood any more Jewish than a member of the SS.

  168. Phoenix says:

    How the hell did it get this far?

  169. JCer says:

    lib Trump is a moron and a liar, but he has basically no real policy which maybe better than bad policy.

    On masks the problem is people do not wear them properly nor is the quality of the masks that are in use adequate, based on the theory about aerosols if you don’t have an n95 it won’t protect you and many of the fabric masks people are using do not even effectively prevent aerosols in a big way, masking isn’t the answer,it can be a part of the solution but the strategy needs to be better. We need to look at protecting the vulnerable, we should be looking into an immunity passport type of concept, get the people who have already had it back out. The government should also be funding more studies of potential treatments reusing existing drugs.

  170. leftwing says:

    “To me, it comes to foresight, or rather a total lack of foresight. Removing the fillibuster only speeds up the process by which government can F things up. Like everything in life, small moves of progress are sustainable. Big sweeping moves are very dangerous.”

    Our Republic was established to specifically avoid the ability of a 50.1% majority taking full control of the levers…filibuster, indirect election of Senators, independent lifetime Court appointments, constitutional amendments…slowly many of these protections have been whittled away…now rather than needing an approximately two-thirds majority for one side to inflict its view on an opposing one-third minority a (near) majority can inflict its view on another (near) majority…it is entirely predictable that situation would end up with the polarization we have now…by definition.

  171. leftwing says:

    “For the Trump supporters here, a question: this following stuff was quality topics for the debate; why couldn’t Trump maintain enough focus to corner Biden with this stuff?”

    Not in his DNA…we all knew the type in college…ADHD, skating by on (what they perceived to be) wits and the least amount of actual work possible, anti-intellectual, zero intellectual curiosity, nearly non-existent analytical skills….need I go on?

  172. homeboken says:

    Lib – There are a lot of hairbrained conspiracy theory out there, none of which I truly believe, but I do like to play troll.

    The one spot I 100% believe is the Russiagate stuff. The entire thing stinks all the way up to the top of the FBI, CIA and potentially to the WH pre-Trump. The only way to describe it was a silent coup. Which makes the DNC theory about Trump not allowing a peaceful transition of power all the more frustrating.

    Tell me – Do you beleive that people like Hillary Clinton wouldn’t cross that line? She had the means, the motive and the capability to do exactly what she did. Almost got totally away with it too, the only thing she didn’t account for was the American voter.

    Damn peasants, always getting in the way.

  173. D-FENS says:

    Statement from head of wacist proud boys

    https://youtu.be/Xk-k2II-TcU

  174. homeboken says:

    Biden calls lid again today. 10x in September and off to a good start in October.

  175. crushednjmillenial says:

    Does anyone know if the NJ DMV extensions are really over?

    I ask because when I looked online, it seems that car registration expired in March had a deadline of September 30 to renew online.

    But, Governor Shutdown had extended the extensions before, so I am not sure if the current DMV schedule is really final. Has anyone heard that there will be no further extensions?

    I guess the DMV is now like property taxes – no excuses, pay me!

  176. chicagofinance says:

    What was your major?

    leftwing says:
    October 1, 2020 at 12:15 pm
    “For the Trump supporters here, a question: this following stuff was quality topics for the debate; why couldn’t Trump maintain enough focus to corner Biden with this stuff?”

    Not in his DNA…we all knew the type in college…ADHD, skating by on (what they perceived to be) wits and the least amount of actual work possible, anti-intellectual, zero intellectual curiosity, nearly non-existent analytical skills….need I go on?

  177. chicagofinance says:

    Harry Reid was a creepy SOB….. he had dead eyes…. he had the look of a serial killer..

    leftwing says:
    October 1, 2020 at 12:12 pm
    “To me, it comes to foresight, or rather a total lack of foresight. Removing the fillibuster only speeds up the process by which government can F things up. Like everything in life, small moves of progress are sustainable. Big sweeping moves are very dangerous.”

    Our Republic was established to specifically avoid the ability of a 50.1% majority taking full control of the levers…filibuster, indirect election of Senators, independent lifetime Court appointments, constitutional amendments…slowly many of these protections have been whittled away…now rather than needing an approximately two-thirds majority for one side to inflict its view on an opposing one-third minority a (near) majority can inflict its view on another (near) majority…it is entirely predictable that situation would end up with the polarization we have now…by definition.

  178. leftwing says:

    ” Trump and too much of the the wealthy pay too little [taxes]”

    Lib, you do understand YOU are the wealthy, no?

    The aggregate sum of the entire wealth of every billionaire in America – businesses, boats, homes, stocks, etc – is around $3.4T.

    Conversely, there are over 8.4 million households who are millionaires…and that measure includes only investable assets. That is at an absolute bare minimum $8.4T of hard cash lying around banks and brokerages. And likely multiples more.

    When taxes go up do you think it is more likely that:
    (a) every billionaire will be stripped into poverty for $3.4T of proceeds, or
    (b) every millionaire is going to lose a chunk of their liquid assets to generate almost three times the amount of proceeds

    As you posted later you have done an outstanding job building and keeping real wealth against many odds. Careful what you wish for…the government is the one entity outside of your control that can wreck your plans.

    There simply just is not enough money at the highest income levels to satisfy the insatiable thirst of multiple governments’ desire for more revenue. Basic math says it must land on your shoulders. Pony up for those salt sheds, motherfcuker :) Maybe you can use one as a timeshare.

  179. homeboken says:

    Left – Lib, despite being a pretty smart and guy I respect (anonysmously even) doesn’t really care. He has been crystal clear on his intentions to leave this country very soon.

    Similar mindset of the California resident that moves out of state. Allow me to lecture you on the virtue of my decision and then move away so I don’t have to live with the consequences.

  180. Libturd says:

    Homeboken,

    I tried my best to make it work here. Just the toll and gas price increases alone will probably eat up any salary increase my family might see this year. Then there is the paying for all of the charity our elected officials bestowed upon those still working but not foolish enough like me to own an investment property.

    I will gladly leave all of this behind. I am the one in one thousand who lives by the rules and doesn’t look to the government for my bailout. I am the idiot who put 20% down when everyone else mailed in their house keys. This country did not make me rich. It did everything in its power to take from me and give to the immoral ultra-rich and those living on the dole. Trump paying no taxes is no surprise. Knowing that he intentionally chose not to reveal it and you give him a pass when the truth comes out is the surprise here. You are fooling noone but yourself.

    I am getting the hell out of dodge.

    I don’t need no government incentive to buy a car or a home that I don’t need because it only serves to reward the top.

    More than anything, what Costa Rica has that this country does not is unity. The United States has become a country of complete bullsh1t. Like Leftwing so eloquently stated, it’s no surprise this divide has occurred. Both parties have slowly damaged the constitution. And the American people stand for it. Where I once had pride to be an American, I am now absolutely disgusted by it. The immorality is everywhere. I am simply sick of it.

    Perhaps one day, you too will realize that this country is much nearer to its end than to its founding. And it’s not China’s fault. It’s all our own for we have become complacent. This is no longer a country for my children. It’s only going to be a decent place for the rich and the politically connected. Until it is no longer.

    As always. I have no enemies. Come visit me when I get my place down in CR. I’ll save a rambutan for ya. Let me be the first to introduce you to the Pura Vida. It’s not perfect. I might have to replace my LED TV periodically. But that’s okay.

  181. leftwing says:

    chi, double major. government and economics.

    one semester with some engineering courses. bailed. have a ton of respect for those in the hard sciences.

  182. A Home Buyer says:

    Shut up Lib.

    “You didn’t build that. ”

    I tease. All the best to you. :)

  183. Fast Eddie says:

    I am the one in one thousand who lives by the rules and doesn’t look to the government for my bailout. I am the idiot who put 20% down when everyone else mailed in their house keys. This country did not make me rich. It did everything in its power to take from me and give to the immoral ultra-rich and those living on the dole.

    I agree with all of this statement and have followed the same road map as yourself. Though, I could care less how a man makes a living and the wealth it generates for herself/himself. Chances are I have a job and am able to invest based on the ultra-rich’s decisions. As for those living on the dole… dependency is embedded in their DNA and the left is all too happy to extort money from those who earn it and hand it to those who don’t.

  184. 3b says:

    Lib: Well said. I give you a lot of courage to pick up and move to CR. I could not do it. My wife and I are having that discussion now, but don’t really have a clue. Florida in the winter months but that’s about all we have decided.

  185. Libturd says:

    3B,

    Don’t have the wife fully on board, but the rest of the family likes it. The plan is to start with a small place in a Vegas suburb and a big place down in paradise. Once citizenship is obtained, we’ll probably give up the Vegas place or rent it out for additional income. The big question is the D. His educational path might delay things slightly. We have to see what his capabilities are.

    At some point, being able to afford a caretaker for the rest of his life and a trust might be more important than learning algebra and not being able to afford a caretaker for him in America. Especially with the borders closed. Would love to see Trump put a wall around his tax shelters instead. Though, we all know what happened when Obama went after Swiss Bank accounts.

  186. 3b says:

    Lib: I was wondering how your wife felt about it. It’s a bold move. But you have it well
    Planned out and can ease into it. Proper care for your Son definitely more important to than algebra. All the best to you and the family.

  187. homeboken says:

    Was sent an interesting video clip about the debates. We all recall the 1st Trump/Biden debate when Trump was asked to denounce white supremcy.

    But you may not recall that in 2016 GOP primary, Trump was asked nearly the EXACT same question, where he dencounced the same.

    More interesting, the moderator that asked him the question, in BOTH debates was non other than, Chris Wallace. Wallace has literally been asking Trump to denounce white supremecy for 4 years.

    Meanwhile, You ain’t Black buddy of the Exalted Cyclops of the KKK – Joe Biden, he’s good, we all know good ole Scranton Joe.

    Fair and balanced media.

  188. BRT says:

    Friend of mine listed his house so he can sell and rent. He basically put it up for $100k more than he paid 4 years ago and is now entering contract. The issue is, purchase price is coming in above appraisal.

  189. Juice Box says:

    I was thinking of this last night as I watched a “Karen” scoop up a whole case of the cheapo 3 Wishes chardonnay for $3 a bottle at Whole Foods..

    Alcohol Consumption Rises Sharply During Pandemic Shutdown; Heavy Drinking by Women Rises 41%

    Frequency of alcohol consumption has increased by 14% among adults over 30 when compared to the same time last year, 19% among adults 30 to 59, 17% among women and 10% among non-Hispanic white adults. Most jarring perhaps is that women have increased heavy drinking episodes (four or more drinks in the span of a couple hours) by 41%

    https://www.rand.org/news/press/2020/09/29.html

  190. 3b says:

    BRT: Your friend is smart.

  191. JCer says:

    juice most everyone is drinking more, we are trapped inside with our kids. All vacations and other fun activities have been canceled, drinking is the last option available.

    BRT, I’d be lying if I didn’t think the same thing seeing what some folks are getting for their homes. But then where are you going, rentals are not exactly readily available in most towns also the effort of trying to sell a home if you then cannot get your price is just a headache.

  192. BRT says:

    I’m at a point in my life where selling results in upending too much of our lives. But I could probably get $150k more than I paid considering the work I put in. I’d be more inclined to rent a 2 BR apartment. If I didn’t have kids at a young age, selling would be a no brainer right now.

  193. BRT says:

    I’ve had a grand total of 9 drinks since March 15th. Year over year, my alcohol consumption is up 900%.

  194. 3b says:

    I am actually drinking less. I was never a big at home drinker when my kids were young I just did not do it at home, unless it was family parties, the holidays etc. my drinking is outside music festivals. Music bars, concerts, tailgating. Since there is none of that with the pandemic, no drinking. When we do outdoor dining , I do drink. Had 4 pints last Tuesday and I was done! I am so out of practice!! I have been doing a lot more exercising, doing anywhere from 25 to 35 miles a week running/walking.

  195. homeboken says:

    Donald Trump classified the KKK as a domestic terror organization.

    Joe Biden eulogized the exalted cyclops of the KKK (Robert Byrd)

    Are we certain we are asking the right candidate to denounce white supremcy?

  196. ExEssex says:

    Derrrrrrrr I’m voting for Kanyé.

  197. JCer says:

    BRT that is just it, if not for the kids and the massive quantity of stuff we’ve accumulated having 6500 sqft, I have a vacant 2 bedroom apartment in jersey city just costing me money. I could probably pocket 300k by selling after the brokerage fees and closing costs but then I’d have to figure out a place to live and I’d disrupt the kids schooling, it’s not like there are any suitable rental homes in the district.

    I drink beer and wine at home, always have usually 1 or 2 with a meal. Hard liquor I drink so infrequently but I have a huge bar in my house, I still have liquor left from college. I can’t drink more than one or two beers at a shot, it upsets my stomach too much same is true for hard liquor. Strangely enough though I can drink a bottle of red wine and it’s only the effects of the alcohol nothing else.

    I try to keep at least 6 cases on hand, then again I’ve been accused of be a food hoarder. Our friends all thought I was crazy until the pandemic hit and then they were like if we can’t get food we’re coming to your house.

  198. SmallGovConservative says:

    Libturd says:
    October 1, 2020 at 1:19 pm

    “The United States has become a country of complete bullsh1t. Like Leftwing so eloquently stated, it’s no surprise this divide has occurred. Both parties have slowly damaged the constitution…”

    Is anyone else not surprised that this occurred during the reign of the baby boomers (full disclosure: I’m tail-end baby boom)? It was almost a given that a generation that has always been self-indulgent, entitled and disdainful of every thing that came before, would be the generation that screwed it up when it was their turn to lead.

  199. RentL0rd says:

    >> 3b “Tourists did not stop coming to the USA because Trump won , that is nonsense.”

    It is comments like this. Saying whatever and trying to make it sound right. There is intense hate for anything US in the rest of the world. Just read the headlines in newspapers across the world – and the comments.

    3b and his like personify “Stupid America”

  200. Bystander says:

    Which candidate (cough president) tweeted out a red hat dolt screaming ‘white power’ from his official account? That’s your answer.

  201. RentL0rd says:

    Lib.. I may not be the best to comment on this, but I can give some anecdotal commentary.

    An Uber driver told me that he had a nice VP position at a financial firm that he left because his kid was on the spectrum. He left his job, packed his bags, took the wife and went to his home country – expecting what you mentioned – a caretaker and a loving family (grandparents for the kid).

    Well, fast forward 3 years and he is back in NJ.
    The grandparents didn’t care for the kid. Not only did they not care they worried he would cause them harm and wouldn’t let him be near them. The doctors abroad didn’t know how to care for kids like that and socially there was just no accommodation.

    In NJ – his words not mine, there is so much govt support. Schools have budgets to deal with kids on the spectrum and the health/mental care was one of the best in the world.

    He was happier to be back in NJ and Uber was letting him get by while he gets back a 6 figure salary. May not be a whole lot in NJ.. but way better than anything anywhere else.

    Again, your situation may be very different.. but wanted to share.

  202. chicagofinance says:

    Just there…… OMG that place is trashed right now….. the only thing is that they have the newly expanded liquor/beer section…… we were up at Thorne Middle School on Harmony Road for XCountry meet…… my son smoked the field…. he is one second off the Colts Neck school record….. too bad his heart is in basketball/football…..

    You know they have the least expensive price for Patron Tequila? Even better than Bottle King +you get 5% off Amazon Prime…..

    Juice Box says:
    October 1, 2020 at 3:10 pm
    I was thinking of this last night as I watched a “Karen” scoop up a whole case of the cheapo 3 Wishes chardonnay for $3 a bottle at Whole Foods..

  203. chicagofinance says:

    I was in that exact sequence and then my family ran out of money. I moved over to what is now Dyson. My tuition dropped from $14,500 to $4,350. I was just glad to graduate on time. I was a little disappointed with the teaching quality of the Econ professors…… the government guys were really compelling…..

    leftwing says:
    October 1, 2020 at 1:29 pm
    chi, double major. government and economics.

    one semester with some engineering courses. bailed. have a ton of respect for those in the hard sciences.

  204. Bystander says:

    Rent,

    Sounds a little fishy. While each autism case is a little different, mostly you need very strong parental support, money, experienced B-Ts and BC-BAs along with support of PT, OT and feeding etc. This guy pulling up and leaving to get grandparent support? No one should do that. You need BT, not a hug. I would probably sell house and move to PA but therapy for 4 year old is major concern. He is a smart and funny little guy. Reads at 5th grade level. He has sensory issues and struggles socially. Our BT is amazing. She has reached him in so many ways and BC-BA has solid plan. US is top in this regard. My MIL’s neighbor basically wrote manual on autism training while at UC-LA in 60s.

  205. Bystander says:

    Another reason I f-in hate the H1B slavery policy, it hurts the people here. We have solution architect, really nice and smart guy. He handles alot of dirty work managing/fixing lots of issues across different software and applications. I think he makes 95K in NYC area. Has 8 year old with severe autism, diagnosed at 4. Non-verbal, obsessed with ripping paper. Wife at home. He can’t afford private therapy so relies on schools and state programs. He can’t go back to India bc of son’s therapy. Still trying to get sponsorship but we won’t commit to hiring him bc cheap #ssholes. He will be forced to make decision, possibly leave by mid-2021. BS.

  206. ExEssex says:

    This song would never be released today. But thanks to the endless archive that is our glorious past….
    https://youtu.be/YKhi9ITkRgA

  207. 3b says:

    Rent: Get a grip. There has been anti American hatred for years all over the world. Even after Trump won, NYC was packed with foreign tourists. I saw them every day in Manhattan. Disney world packed as well. Don’t call me a stupid American I have traveled all over Europe multiple times. My comment stands.

  208. Fabius Maximus says:

    Bystander,

    The sad part is that there are many on this board that would resent the services he is getting.

  209. BRT says:

    I drink beer and wine at home, always have usually 1 or 2 with a meal. Hard liquor I drink so infrequently but I have a huge bar in my house, I still have liquor left from college. I can’t drink more than one or two beers at a shot, it upsets my stomach too much same is true for hard liquor. Strangely enough though I can drink a bottle of red wine and it’s only the effects of the alcohol nothing else.

    I try to keep at least 6 cases on hand, then again I’ve been accused of be a food hoarder. Our friends all thought I was crazy until the pandemic hit and then they were like if we can’t get food we’re coming to your house.

    You and me both. I still have liquor from my wedding 12 years ago. The only thing I drink occasionally is Havana Club rum. Might have it 3 or 4 times a summer. But yeah, when I turned 27, my alcohol tolerance fell off the side of a cliff very very fast. I went from killing 30 packs with my buddy to not being able to take more than 2 drinks. If I have 3, I’m instantly hungover with a headache. As a result, I really just don’t drink anymore.

    I take food storage way too far. I grow grapes and figs so I have jars and jars of jam. I pickle cucumbers, asparagus, beets, grapes, peppers. I have preserved lemons from my lemon tree. Jarred tomatoes last all year. Probably 80 bottles of hot sauce. If I started hunting, I’d be almost completely self sufficient off the land.

    I relocated over 30 squirrels this year. Maybe I’ll start eating them if we have another wave.

  210. Fabius Maximus says:

    Home

    Thats a bit of a reach. Byrd spent a long time trying to make up for the mistakes of his past. He did own it.

    If you are hammering Joe on it are you adding in Mitch and Lindsey and the rest of the GOP who sung his praises when he died? Even O embraced him.

  211. Fabius Maximus says:

    Do you see where this is going?

    https://www.lancastercourier.com/2020/09/27/donald-trump-jr-calls-for-volunteers-to-join-an-army-and-secure-the-2020-election/

    Add in Eric Prince and his “Private consultuing resources”, the DOJ deployments over the past few months and the right wing militias.

    This is not going to end well.

  212. NJGator says:

    Who had Hope Hicks in their White House COVID bingo card?

    Will we be spared another train wreck of a “debate” due to quarantine?

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hope-hicks-president-trumps-closest-advisers-tests-positive/story?id=73377363

  213. A Home Buyer says:

    BRT

    I would avoid eating squirrel for self sufficiency.

    “Protein poisoning”. Not good.

  214. ExEssex says:

    Inshallah

  215. njtownhomer says:

    One big orange quarantine! Best of luck and stay safe.

  216. ExEssex says:

    Trump and his wife test positive for Covid.

    It is what it is.

  217. BoomerRemover says:

    Essex, you richard. You had me googling frantically.

  218. ExEssex says:

    Waaammmmmp waaaaaammmmp

  219. ExEssex says:

    The October Surprise!

  220. BoomerRemover says:

    Oh wait, no they are positive!

    Frist!

  221. ExEssex says:

    *Friskies

  222. ExEssex says:

    wHo nEedS a mAsk !?

  223. Juice box says:

    stock Futures looking bleak right now.

    I gather he won’t let Pense run the circus for a few weeks either.

  224. Juice Box says:

    Trump was at his Bedminster golf club on Thursday for a fundraiser. Might be a few more cases in NJ. Let’s see what Gov Murphy will say today about it.

  225. Libturd says:

    All of those Trump supporters who sat in the debate with the president and refused to wear masks are probably going down too. Wonder if the moderator got it? Morons. All of them.

  226. Libturd says:

    Finally, I found something positive about our president.

  227. Phoenix says:

    “China claims Donald Trump has ‘paid the price’ for his COVID-19 ‘gamble’ after the President and Melania both tested positive”

    Now that headline is going to piss him off.

  228. JCer says:

    The real question is which treatment trump has chosen, will it be bleach injection or hydroxychloroquine?

    If he was infected prior to the debate there is a chance Biden has been exposed too. Hopefully he has a quick recovery because as has been pointed out multiple times Trump is in a high risk category being 74 years old. Things just get weirder and weirder. I guess my theory is out the window, I theorized that Trump was so nonchalant about covid because he had already been infected, recovered and they just never told anyone.

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