C19 Open Discussion Week 32

8 Months In…

From Inman News:

Foreclosure activity hits historic lows as filings drop 81%

Foreclosure filings, including default notices, scheduled auctions or bank repossessions, dropped 81 percent year over year to 27,016 filings, according to Attom Data Solution’s Q3 2020 U.S. Foreclosure Market Report. The number, which was also down 12 percent from the previous quarter, marks a new historic low in filings since Attom began tracking the data during the first quarter of 2008.

Foreclosure filings in September 2020 alone — which totaled 9,707 filings — were also down 80 percent from the previous year.

“Foreclosure activity has, for all intents and purposes, ground to a halt due to moratoria put in place by the federal, state and local governments and the mortgage forbearance program initiated by the CARES Act,” Rick Sharga, executive vice president of RealtyTrac, said in a statement. “But it’s important to remember that the numbers we’re seeing today are artificially low, even as the number of seriously delinquent loans continues to increase, and that we’ll see a significant — and probably quite sudden — burst of foreclosure activity once these various government programs expire.”

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224 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 32

  1. Fabius Maximus says:

    Friskies

  2. 30 year realtor says:

    Still convinced of the authenticity of the Hunter Biden computer story?

    New York Post Published Hunter Biden Report Amid Newsroom Doubts https://nyti.ms/3jcqIC9

  3. D-FENS says:

    Times doesn’t dispute the authenticity of the emails in that story…

  4. 3b says:

    30 Year: We shall see, but The NY Times have published plenty of unverified, suspect information over the last 4 years. So NY Times does it, we should believe it, Post does it it’s suspect. There is the hypocrisy again. We should all be concerned about the truth, wherever it lies.

  5. D-FENS says:

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ratcliffe-hunter-biden-laptop-emails-not-russian-disinformation-campaign

    Ratcliffe says Hunter Biden laptop, emails ‘not part of some Russian disinformation campaign’
    ‘There is no intelligence that supports that,’ Director of National Intelligence Ratcliffe says

  6. 3b says:

    Feinstein briefly hugs Graham, and causes an uproar, with calls for her to resign. She is now suspect and must be declared an enemy of the people. Very sad, that even a simple sign of compassion and perhaps even a breakthrough in some small way is deemed suspect. I thought the left was all about love, peace and joy.

  7. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    With the hunter Biden expose, the story has come full circle.

    You can see why the left subjected us to the impeachment hoax. This was much bigger than any of us knew at the time and the impeachment hoax was their failed attempt to put a lid on this thing.

    With more still to come, we’ll see who else is implicated. Clearly their was state department and intelligence cover. How many of the fake whistleblowers are simply suspects.

  8. Fast Eddie says:

    Another email, dated May 13, 2017, and obtained by Fox News, includes a discussion of “renumeration packages” for six people in a business deal with a Chinese energy firm. The email appeared to identify Hunter Biden as “Chair/ Vice Chair depending on an agreement with CEFC,” in an apparent reference to now-bankrupt CEFC China Energy Co.

    The email includes a note that “Hunter has some office expectations he will elaborate.” A proposed equity split references “20” for “H” and “10 held by H for the big guy?” with no further details.

    Fox News spoke to one of the people who was copied on the email, who confirmed its authenticity.

    Sources also told Fox News that “the big guy” was a reference to the former vice president.

    Wow! So, the Russia hoax was concocted to cover this up. Holy shit!

  9. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    Yep Eddie, Biden was acting like a mob boss, going overseas and demanding kickbacks for his kid in exchange for foreign aid packages and preferential trade accommodations.

    He sold you and I and every other American out in order to fatten his pockets and those of his accomplices.

  10. Fast Eddie says:

    O’Biden admitted the quid pro quo extortion on video, there’s no denying it. He bragged about it. Now we know why. Omg, does he make it to election day?

  11. Fast Eddie says:

    This means China, Russia and who knows who else has a lot on O’Biden, which means he’s a national security risk.

  12. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    If you thought he was hiding beforewait for the next two weeks. “No questions”

  13. ExEssex says:

    Less than three weeks before one of the most contentious presidential campaigns in history, federal authorities are investigating whether the material supplied to the Post by Rudy Giuliani, President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, is part of a smoke bomb of disinformation pushed by Russia.

    The inquiry, according to a person familiar with the matter, is at least in part, aimed at determining whether Russia has set its sights on a familiar target: Biden’s father, Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden. The person is not authorized to comment on the matter publicly and asked not to be named in order to speak candidly.

    The FBI has declined to comment, refusing to either confirm or deny the existence of an investigation.

  14. Phoenix says:

    Just put Jim Carrey in Biden’s place. Close enough and no security risk.
    America has clusters of virus and clusters of ukcs.

  15. ExEssex says:

    The gauzy details of the newspaper’s account trace the hard drive to a computer repair shop in Delaware, where a laptop had been left for service last year but was never reclaimed by the customer. Exactly how the material moved to Giuliani, who with Trump has long pushed debunked conspiracy theories about the Bidens, has raised as many questions as the authenticity of the laptop data the president’s lawyer provided to the newspaper.

    After months of investigation, two Republican-led Senate committees unveiled a report in September that found no evidence of wrongdoing or corrupt actions by the former vice president in connection with his son Hunter’s business dealings in Ukraine.

    But Trump and Giuliani have continued to lob allegations at the Democratic nominee, despite multiple investigations, including the recent GOP probes, that had found no basis for the claims.

  16. Phoenix says:

    Guliani needs to go the way of RBG. Toss in Nancy and McConnell.

    Yuck.

  17. chicagofinance says:

    Ex: here is the timeline directly from the NY Post (above):

    So, let’s lay it out.

    On April 12, 2019, a man who calls himself Hunter Biden enters a Wilmington, Del., Mac repair shop with three “liquid-damaged” computers just before closing time. The owner says one computer is beyond repair. Another has a fried keyboard, so the owner gives Hunter a spare keyboard.

    The third laptop, a MacBook, is salvageable. Hunter signs a work order to confirm he wants him to fix it and provides contact details.

    The owner — whom The Post promised anonymity, even though he has since been named by others — recovers the contents of the laptop and transfers it to his server. He calls Hunter and asks him to bring in an external drive, onto which he can transfer the content.

    Hunter arrives at closing time with the external drive.

    He never sets foot inside the store again.

    The owner makes frequent attempts to contact Hunter to pick up his laptop, pay the $85 bill and return the keyboard and cord.

    No reply.

    After 90 days, as per the work order signed by Hunter, the laptop becomes the store’s legal property.

    In August, the computer repairman hears news reports about the leaked phone call in which President Trump raises Hunter and Joe Biden’s Burisma activity with Ukraine’s president — the call which sparked his impeachment.

    The repairman does a word search for Burisma on Hunter’s laptop. Bingo.

    Four months later, the impeachment is big news, so he decides to contact the FBI, via a friend, in case the material on the laptop is useful.

    On Dec. 9, two FBI agents take away the laptop and hard drive.

    In August this year, the repairman sees Giuliani on TV talking about Hunter and Burisma and decides to contact him via an email address he finds online.

    This is how the repairman explained his actions in an email to Giuliani on Aug. 27, 2020:

    “As I read deeper into the drive, I started to realize what I was sitting on and who was involved and at what level. I figured the safest thing to do was reach out to the FBI and have them collect the drive and the Mac so I could wash my hands of it and they might be able offer me some level of protection should someone come looking for it and come after me because I knew what was on it. The FBI did show up and . . . over the next few days they contacted me for access to the drive . . . because their tech guys didn’t know Macs.

    “That kind of threw up a flag . . .

    “They also said nothing ever happens to people who don’t talk about this stuff so that got me a little concerned . . .

    “There is some very incriminating videos on the drive . . .

    “I live and work in [the Bidens’ hometown] Wilmington, Delaware and my life here as well as my business would be destroyed if people found out what I was involved in.

    “I have been trying to keep things quiet . . . but I feel time has been running out.”

    The email was compelling. Within two days, a copy of the hard drive was FedEx-ed to a Long Island address where Giuliani and his lawyer examined it, and verified the material was genuine.

    Bannon, a former Trump adviser, was only peripherally involved. He was brought in by Giuliani in late September to help decipher the China material.

    Shortly thereafter, Bannon alerted The Post to the existence of the material, although he did not have a copy.

    On Sunday a week ago, Giuliani provided The Post with a copy of the hard drive.

    It is not hard to believe that Hunter would be as reckless as to abandon a laptop at a repair shop. In October 2016, he left a crack pipe in a Hertz rental car in Arizona, along with a white powdery substance, credit cards and his driver’s license, as widely reported.

    The Post has been transparent about the provenance of the material we have published. We stand by our reporting and the authenticity of the material.

    It’s hard to believe the rest of America’s media does not want to know the full story about a man running for president.

  18. Phoenix says:

    “The FBI did show up and . . . over the next few days they contacted me for access to the drive . . . because their tech guys didn’t know Macs.”

    Now you know it’s fake. FBI tech guys don’t know Macs. Yeah right. I’m to believe the US government experts can’t read an unencrypted hard drive from a Mac.

    Just took a turd that smells less than this.

  19. chicagofinance says:

    To be clear: it’s no big deal; Biden is no different that scores of career public officials who have lined their pockets at the expense of U.S. citizens. The only difference is that Biden is casting himself as “the one with the moral compass”, and due to modern convention, we have a electronic paper trail. If he had just retired into the night, this would fade away. Instead, we are here.

    We have the choice between scumbag A and scumbag B.

    I have officially signed and sealed my ballot and will drop it off at Red Bank city hall today. I left the top of the ticket unselected.

  20. JCer says:

    I think Biden makes it to election day and probably wins. If this proves to be true, it’s president Kamala. Heck in any event I think it’s president Kamala, for all we know Joe ran to keep the corruption secret and the deal is he will resign for health reasons. This is just how Joe avoids prosecution during his last years, it also keeps Obama and Hillary safe. It was rumored when Trump won Hillary said “we will all hang for this”.

    At some point with their political enemies in power would discover their malfeasance. I do believe the Russia Hoax and all of this has been about slowing the investigation. Trump is a POS but it doesn’t change the fact that the Obama administration was engaged in highly unethical and un-american activities, spying on and framing the incoming president is just the tip of the iceberg. They have already gotten to some low level people and their will be prosecution, I think the goal will be to get the low level people to roll over on people higher in the administration. If they don’t regain power the investigation could go all the way to the oval office. If Joe goes down I think he takes the big O and the Clintons down with him.

    The Bush crime family also does not want sunlight on their activities which is why they are so vehemently anti-trump, they’ve never had these morals before….. I suspect the new administration inherited and took over the grift from the prior. All of these international conflicts have been motivated by the grifting opportunities. I also suspect the big secret of the Bush administrations is that they had knowledge of an attack, not saying they knew the details but they knew the people involved their whereabouts and the rough time frame it was going to happen in. Bush allowed america to be attacked so we could go to war in Afghanistan in order to build a pipeline. Iraq was another cherry on top to ensure even greater government contractor profits.

    Trump does this not because he has good intentions but rather because he is a vindictive little man bent on punishing those who doubted/insulted/besmirched him. I know I just went a little Q-anon on you but the truth is more nuanced things are neither as straight forward as we are led to believe nor as insane as the conspiracy theories, but we need to follow the money.

  21. chicagofinance says:

    NEW YORK TRI-STATE AREA

    Part of the Brooklyn Covid-19 Uptick Traces to Deal, N.J.

    Health officials have traced outbreaks in two neighborhoods to end-of-summer socializing by a close-knit Sephardic Jewish community at the Jersey Shore

    The Midwood neighborhood of Brooklyn, N.Y., has a significant number of Sephardic families.

    By Paul Berger

    The coronavirus cases started ticking up in July among a tightknit community of Sephardic Jews summering at the Jersey Shore.

    By October, the cases had contributed to the virus’s spread 60 miles north in Brooklyn, N.Y., where health officials scrambled to prevent a second wave of infection.

    Recent attention regarding the resurgence of the virus in New York City and its suburbs has focused on ultra-Orthodox communities with roots in Eastern Europe, who have chafed at restrictions imposed by Mayor Bill de Blasio and Gov. Andrew Cuomo. Such communities are typified by large families of seven or eight children living in multifamily homes and apartments where Yiddish is often the first language spoken.

    The Sephardic families of Gravesend and Midwood in Brooklyn generally have fewer children and tend to live in single-family homes where English is the first language. They are largely doctors, lawyers and businesspeople with a background in countries such as Syria and typically one foot planted firmly in the secular world.

    Sephardic community leaders said they have urged mask-wearing, social distancing and vigilance since the start of the virus outbreak. But they said pandemic fatigue, some apathy and mistrust, as well as a culture built around large communal events, proved fertile ground for the virus’s spread.

    Patients wait to enter a Covid-19 testing site in the Midwood section of Brooklyn.
    The community is thought to number between 50,000 and 70,000 people and is concentrated in Gravesend and Midwood, in a southern swath of the borough 2 miles north of Coney Island. When Covid-19 first arrived in New York City early this year it swept through the community, killing almost 100 people in a couple of months, according to communal officials.

    Frequent large gatherings with hundreds of guests are common for life events and Jewish holidays and help create a sense that everyone knows everybody else. ”It hit home every time somebody got ill or passed away,” said Jack Aini, president of Sephardic Bikur Holim, a social-services agency based in Gravesend.

    Many Sephardic families spend their summers at second homes or with relatives in and around the shore town of Deal, N.J., where a small Sephardic community lives year-round. As New York City shut down in March and April, many families left Brooklyn to isolate near the Jersey Shore, often in large homes with spacious yards.

    Communal officials set up a WhatsApp group that included about 100 doctors to monitor for suspected and confirmed cases in Brooklyn and New Jersey and to share information. They said people largely heeded health guidance on social distancing and by early summer Covid-19 cases had almost disappeared.

    The Sephardic Community Center in the Gravesend neighborhood of Brooklyn
    Then, on July 10, an umbrella organization for schools and religious groups, the Sephardic Community Alliance, circulated a letter from the doctors group warning of an uptick in cases. Some were in Brooklyn, but most were in the Deal area. The doctors urged people to heed health advice and to wear masks whenever social distancing wasn’t possible.

    At that time in New Jersey, beaches up and down the shore were packed. Outdoor gatherings of up to 500 people were allowed by Gov. Phil Murphy. After a three-week religious period that prohibited Jewish celebrations ended in late July, Sephardic celebrations in and around Deal took off.

    Sephardic couples had scaled down weddings throughout the pandemic, sometimes limiting guests only to close family, with everyone else attending via Zoom, said Mr. Aini, the Bikur Holim president. Though that tradition continued through the summer, he said, once outdoor restrictions were eased by the state, some people felt comfortable inviting more guests to outdoor events held under a canopy. By late August, people began to test positive and were attributing it to large events and gatherings, Mr. Aini said.

    On Sept. 4, the Sephardic Community Alliance released a statement from the community doctors warning there had been more than 100 Covid-19 infections in Deal in the previous week alone, mostly among younger people whose symptoms were mild.

    “What we are finding even more concerning,” the doctors’ statement said, “is that people with Covid-19 symptoms have been refusing to get tested, while those exposed to Covid-19 have not been isolating, knowingly putting others at risk.”

    The Sephardic community leans conservative politically. Some communal officials felt that messages disseminated across conservative news outlets and social media, including by President Trump, played down the threat of the virus and the need to wear masks, leading some people to not take it seriously. To dispel myths circulating at the time, the doctors added that the virus hadn’t mutated into a milder strain and that the community hadn’t developed herd immunity.

    New Jersey health officials said they aren’t aware of such a large number of cases in the Deal area at that time, possibly because of the way such cases are tracked. If a person being tested in New Jersey provides a home address in New York, officials said, that test would be logged as a New York case.

    Dr. Edward Lifshitz, medical director of the Communicable Disease Service for New Jersey’s health department, said that his department has communicated with New York City officials regarding cases that the city believes originated in Deal. A spokesman for New York City’s health department said some Brooklyn cases have been linked to New Jersey and that the department collaborates with neighboring health officials when there are known exposures.

    Members of the Sephardic community started moving back to New York City around Labor Day and prepared for a return to school and Jewish holidays that began with the Jewish New Year on Sept. 18.

    Mr. Aini said that because people would start mixing with families over the holidays, they were encouraged to get tested, even if they didn’t present symptoms. The result was a wave of positive tests.

    By the end of September, two ZIP Codes with large Sephardic communities had the highest Covid positivity rates in the city, of 6.9% and 5.6%, helping, along with ultra-Orthodox communities nearby, to push the citywide average above 3% for the first time. On Oct. 2, the doctors released a statement that during the previous three days more than 50 community members in Deal, Manhattan and Brooklyn had been hospitalized and two had died.

    Community leaders say some Sephardic schools and synagogues implemented stricter Covid-19 safeguards than the city and state required. Some synagogues moved services outdoors, while some yeshivas set up sneeze guards at desks and hired or trained staff for Covid-19 cleaning and contact tracing.

    When city and state officials moved to close schools and essential businesses in Sephardic neighborhoods in October, there was a feeling in the community that they were being singled out despite their efforts at combating the virus. Some drew an unflattering comparison between the lawlessness they perceived as being permitted during the Black Lives Matter protests earlier this year and what they saw as the government’s heavy-handed actions against their community.

    Community leaders worked with health officials to set up coronavirus testing sites in Brooklyn and New Jersey. They urged people to get tested. Dr. David Sitt, a volunteer within the community who has helped organize the testing effort, said tests conducted the week of Oct. 5 on 3,200 people in the Deal and Brooklyn areas returned a positivity rate of around 3%.

    Meanwhile, Mr. Aini released a statement on Oct. 9 saying beliefs that government actions were a political stunt or evidence of anti-Semitic bias were dangerous because they caused people to be less vigilant.

    “Over the course of the summer, we let our guard down and thought that we were all fine, but now we find ourselves once again in the midst of a pandemic crisis,” he said. “There is absolutely no good reason to not take proper precautions.”

    —Emma Tucker contributed to this article.

  22. JCer says:

    Phoenix, believe it or not I actually believe that would be the case. There are a lot of incompetent government employees in the FBI, but maybe asking for the repairman’s help had nothing to do with inability. But perhaps they wanted to get a better idea of what this guy had seen by claiming to not know how to access it. No one is disputing the validity of the data which is curious…..

  23. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    Jcer

    One of the more pathetic aspects of the “Russia interference” narrative is how clearly the TDS crowd is being played.

    It’s convenient for the establishment to shift the blame for their failure and malfeasance to some foreign boogeymen rather than an honest assessment of our governance over the past few generation. Trump, despite his obnoxiousness was what a lot of people a ross the spectrum wanted, which is an outsider ho was willing to call out the establishments self serving.

    The establishment of course did not take it lying down, including multiple attempts to abort his presidency and the TDS dopes fell for it every time.

  24. Juice Box says:

    MAC OSX hard drives are encrypted by default, it’s been that way for about seven years now, since Yosemite was released. The FBI would need the account to login to the machine and then could copy data off, that is the only way how the store owner made a copy.

    The owner of the MAC can easily be traced, the idea that those pictures and email data on the laptop are a Russian plant is pure TDS. I would say it would be our own NSA before the Russians could even try and pull something like that off.

  25. Juice Box says:

    To be clear here the laptop in question was subpoenaed by the Federal Prosecutor office in Delaware last year on December 9th for a Grand Jury investigation. The MAC store owner showed a copy of the subpoena to the press there is a picture of it on the NY POST.

    I doubt anyone is out there creating fake subpoenas and pretending to be the FBI. It’s real folks as real as can be, no word on what charges the prosecutor was going for, there is a rumor of pictures of illegal activity with perhaps minors involved. Since it was 10 months ago I would think an indictment would have arrived by now. We may never know why there was a reason to present this as evidence to a Grand Jury because it is supposed to be secret. One of the Jurors might leak if a reporter were to dig into it.

  26. ExEssex says:

    So the new smear against Biden is that Rudy had a hard drive full of child p@rn, held onto it for a year, didn’t call the police or FBI, then shared it with the New York Post?

  27. 3b says:

    Juice: If we flipped the whole scenario and it was Trump and his son, vs Biden and his son, and The NY Times vs the Post, the media would be all over this, and the Biden supporters here would say it’s all true.

  28. 3b says:

    Biden when he ran for President in the 80s was forced to withdraw over his lies about his academic success ( graduated top of his law school class), and his plagiarism. So he has a history of being a liar. Of course the media did their job back then as opposed to today.

  29. Juice Box says:

    Essex- FEDs had it long before Rudy about 10 months time had passed since the subpoena and the FBI took it into evidence. The owner of the shop explained his actions he reached out to Congress etc. Giuliani was the only one who got back to him, so we shall see in the coming days as more pictures are released

  30. JCer says:

    Yes Juice filevault2, AES-256 bit encryption that is secure enough that almost no government could crack it in reasonable time. Based on what we know the only people with the wherewithal to crack that encryption would be the NSA. As far as I know there have been no weaknesses published on AES. My suspicion has long been that the NSA advanced Rjindal as the AES standard because it was novel and they had a way to crack it that is non-trivial but still possible. Hunter had to give the repair guy the recovery key or his user pw in order for him to recover the data.

  31. Fast Eddie says:

    I recently read Digital Fortress by Dan Brown. He weaves concepts of encryption into the story repeatedly. With a 256-bit key encryption, a hacker would need to try 2 to the 256th power of different combinations to ensure the right one is included.

  32. Juice Box says:

    Forever is how long it would take longer than the universe has been around.

    If they networked every single computer on the planet today and distributed the cracking work evenly it would still take something like a trillion trillion trillion trillion years to try all the combinations.

  33. D-FENS says:

    I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possiblity that the FBI or other US intelligence agencies knew about the Biden funny business. The plan might have been to drag him across the finish line then take him down with these allegations. Then Kamala steps up.

  34. D-FENS says:

    Yeah I think this type of corruption is pervasive in DC. Likely the Bush Admin or some members of were doing the same sort of slimy stuff. It likely goes back several decades.

    JCer says:
    October 19, 2020 at 10:22 am

  35. BRT says:

    So basically, if the guy is lying, than the FBI can come out and say, he’s a liar.

  36. Juice Box says:

    BRT – I don’t think Wray is going to pull a Comey right before the election and exonerate Biden.

    14 days to go..

  37. chicagofinance says:

    You are a fat bald faced ponydog soldier with a limp…….. or something like that…..

    BRT says:
    October 19, 2020 at 12:24 pm
    So basically, if the guy is lying, than the FBI can come out and say, he’s a liar.

  38. Libturd says:

    “The repairman does a word search for Burisma on Hunter’s laptop. Bingo.

    Four months later, the impeachment is big news, so he decides to contact the FBI, via a friend, in case the material on the laptop is useful.”

    This too is incredibly unlikely. The whole thing reeks of bullsh1t, much like the old pissing dossier, which I said from day one was complete bullsh1t.

    Sorry, but this one ain’t gonna stick. Certainly not in time for the election and probably never. But it’s another good narrative to be screamed from the pulpits to the stupid.

    I’ve been doing a lot of reading lately on how the polls blew it in 2016. Though there are a large number of factors that contributed to it, the one that seemed to have the largest impact is not educationally balancing those polls. Though most pollsters do a decent job with geography, race and other methodologies to weed out bias, they didn’t account for the lack of education found in so many Trump voters. This was not necessary when it came to Republicans vs. Dems. But by enlarge, especially among white voters, the dumber they were, the more likely they were to vote for Trump. So you loyal holdouts are in good company.

    The other thing that was interesting is that the polls were actually within error and did call the popular vote correctly. If a single battleground state was lost, the polls would have all been found correct. I am a nerd when it comes to stats. Admittedly, there is still a chance that Trump wins the EC again the same way he did last time. But the polls have made adjustments for their error last time and the battleground states are not polling nearly as closely as they did last time around. Still feeling confident.

    An unbiased fellow that I read gave Trump’s likelihood in winning equal to rolling a “one” on a single 6-sided die. That’s kind of where I am putting it right now.

  39. D-FENS says:

    Biden campaign sending Obama to PA to stump for Biden/Harris. You don’t do that if you’re winning.

  40. NJGator says:

    Montclair Special Needs Students Return to Schools Without Teachers; NJEA Blasts District for Unpreparedness

    MONTCLAIR, NJ – When Montclair’s most vulnerable special needs students arrived to school on Friday, they were greeted by substitute teachers. Educators had made a unanimous decision, the night prior, not to return until district officials outlined safety precautions.

    Since the COVID-19 pandemic closed schools in March, school districts across New Jersey have been given the option on how they choose to reopen schools. Gov. Phil Murphy, via executive order, closed schools statewide since mid March and just recently informed districts they can reopen in the fall with their own individualized plans.

    New Jersey Education Association (NJEA) officials stated that a decision was made on Thursday evening after 8PM, for their teachers and aides to not return to in-person instruction in Montclair. Teachers blamed the Montclair leadership for lack of direction and transparency regarding safety precautions.

    NJEA officials stated that the district was asked to notify parents, but that the staff would not be going in. Without the staff, students still arrived for class.

    Meredith Barnes, a spokesperson for the NJEA, said that Montclair teachers and paraprofessionals of the Applied Behavior Analysis Program were given a directive to return to in-person instruction in the Montclair Public Schools without information on whether safety measures were in place.

    She said, “These students are medically fragile, often non-verbal, and often not able to don masks or PPE (personal protective equipment) within their comfort zones adding to the duress of an already stressful situation.”

    The outbreak and strict safety precautions, have forced nearly 200 public school districts in New Jersey to draft plans to reopen with all-virtual instruction. According to an earlier plan in September, nearly 60 districts opted to fully reopen, while other remaining districts opted to start the new school year with a hybrid mix of in-person and remote learning, since the infection rate remains on track and manageable in the eyes of the New Jersey officials.

    Prior to in-person instruction, many districts had purchased masks, face shields, and hand sanitizers for teachers, and desk shields for staff and students. However, Montclair educators state that the school district has left them in the dark regarding what safety measures are in place and if PPE will be provided.

    Barnes stated that District officials had not put in the proper protection measures, in order for staff to safely return to school. She also stated that the district leadership failed to communicate with staff or union officials regarding return-to-instruction plans.

    Therefore, a decision was made by the Montclair Education Association (MEA) on the evening before the return to in-person instruction, for staff not to arrive the next morning.

    Barnes stated that initially students were not set to return for another two weeks. However, she stated that the district suddenly reversed course and pushed re-entry up by two weeks, without consultation with the MEA. She also stated that staff had never been informed if protection equipment would be made available to the educators.

    Barnes added, “The MEA believes that this was an irresponsible decision on the part of district administration to ramp up the re-entry plan by two weeks, given that the MEA has repeatedly asked for information regarding the safety of schools for all students and staff, and has received no response.”

    She continued, “Staff have been given no assurance that PPE is available, and the MEA believes that any training the staff has had regarding student safety has been incomplete and insufficient. With the full support of the MEA, the 30 teachers and paras voted to continue teaching remotely until such time as the schools are safe for their students.”

    Petal Robertson, President of the MEA sent a press release stating that the district notified the MEA on October 5 that staff and students of the Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) program would return to in-person instruction starting October 12 eventhough staff was initially told November 9.

    Since September, Superintendent Jonathan Ponds has been asking for parental input regarding return to in-person instruction.

    Ponds reported a positive experience for students, stating, “We welcomed ABA students to Bullock School on Thursday and Friday. Families and students reported
    having a positive experience. We are delighted to be able to return our most vulnerable learners to an in-person environment.”

    He has extended a recent survey to October 22, asking for parental feedback. Ponds also informed families that hybrid instruction will begin on November 9 for Grades PreK – 5 and that nearly two weeks later, grades 6-12 will resume.

    Robertson stated, “Despite repeated requests for more information, the superintendent and board of education failed to respond. The Association requested specifically what
    precautions have been made regarding health and safety. Instead, the district issued a revised re-entry plan, which continued to be vague about certain procedures and requirements. When pressed for more clarity, the Association’s requests were met with silence.”

    The ABA program provides services to students identified as special education with autism and what the MEA describes as “severe medical constraints.”

    There are only 30 students in the ABA program. The shift to have ABA students to return, was seen by district officials as a phase of the transition plan back to in-person instruction.

    “The MEA has presented our concerns to the administration several times and still we have received nothing. Our requests to have our medically fragile and special needs students reevaluated for their IEPs and 504 plans, to accommodate these changes has gone unanswered. Our requests for the safety documentation of the very buildings the Superintendent deemed the ventilation to be inadequate, has gone unanswered. Our request to have the questions and concerns of staff addressed, has gone unanswered,” she added.

    Re-evaluating IEPs, as requested by the MEA, is a serious undertaking that would require parents students and staff to arrange for testing, IEPs meetings. This generally takes time for reports to be drafted and decision, based on collected data, to be made.

    Robertson added that primarily, safety of staff and students is of utmost concern and that her members need assurances from the leadership, that they haven’t received yet.

    Robertson continued, “We are not just concerned for our ABA students and teachers but the entire Montclair school district population. School reopening during a pandemic should be done in a series of safe, thoughtful, and collaborative steps that are explicitly communicated to those that are meant to undertake them. It is irresponsible to simply ask parents if they would like to send their child back to return for in-person instruction without being honest and transparent regarding the safety of the school buildings and the effectiveness of the academic plans.”

    Barnes acknowledged that surrounding school districts, such as Clifton and others, have returned to in-person. However, since some districts are reporting outbreaks of COVID-19, forcing districts or schools to re-close and for students to return to temporary remote instruction, then educators statewide are taking precautions.

    MEA leaders wrote:

    On October 5, 2020, the district notified the Montclair Education Association that the district intended to bring staff members and students of the Applied Behavior Analysis program back for in-person learning at the Bullock School on October 12, running contrary to the expected November return date that was announced in August. Despite repeated requests for more information, the superintendent and board of education failed to respond. The Association requested specifically what precautions have been made regarding health and safety. Instead, the district issued a revised re-entry plan, which continued to be vague about certain procedures and requirements. When pressed for more clarity, the Association’s requests were met with silence.

    The Applied Behavior Analysis program provides services to students identified as special education with the most accommodations needed. These students often have severe medical constraints, many are non-verbal, and may be unable to wear masks or other personal protective equipment. The district’s re-entry plan provides students with a specific waiver from the district’s medical team, however the evaluations of whether a student could or could not wear a mask were made by teaching staff.

    “What is most alarming, is the decision of the district to begin an in-person instruction re-entry plan with our most vulnerable student population without sufficient planning, training of staff in Covid-19 protocols, or communication,” said Petal Robertson, Montclair Education Association President. “The MEA has presented our concerns to the administration several times and still we have received nothing. Our requests to have our medically fragile and special needs students reevaluated for their IEPs and 504 plans, to accommodate these changes has gone unanswered. Our requests for the safety documentation of the very buildings the Superintendent deemed the ventilation to be inadequate, has gone unanswered. Our request to have the questions and concerns of staff addressed, has gone unanswered.”

    Robertson went on to say, “We are not just concerned for our ABA students and teachers but the entire Montclair school district population. School reopening during a pandemic should be done in a series of safe, thoughtful, and collaborative steps that are explicitly communicated to those that are meant to undertake them. It is irresponsible to simply ask parents if they would like to send their child back to return for in-person instruction without being honest and transparent regarding the safety of the school buildings and the effectiveness of the academic plans.”

    At this point, the members of the ABA staff, with the full support of the Montclair Education Association, have continued remote instruction with their students.

    https://www.tapinto.net/towns/montclair/articles/montclair-special-needs-students-return-to-schools-without-teachers-njea-blasts-district-for-unpreparedness?fbclid=IwAR3htu3YqwcxlMWlFOUwpJU4ii1QiaQnev7h2ipAnzQxxtSWmAaIJVcEjcQ

  41. ExEssex says:

    1:57

    29 million have already voted……buh bye diiiiiickhead.

  42. Nitwitissue onboardtoday says:

    All you fell for it again.

    Today’s discussion is about Joe & Co. ignoring $750, China Virus, the fact Trump is Putin’s perra and all the far right groups are under FSB & GRU’s payroll.

    All of you are like cats overdose on Colombian catnip

  43. ExEssex says:

    ‘Fauci is a disaster’: Trump denigrates Covid expert in campaign staff call – live
    Trump says ‘people are tired of hearing of Fauci and all these idiots’
    Polls show tight race in Florida as in-person early voting begins
    Weekly Covid case average is rising in 48 of the 50 states

  44. libturd says:

    “Biden campaign sending Obama to PA to stump for Biden/Harris.”

    That’s because of the stunning progress Trump has made luring young black men to support him. I read somewhere that it’s up from 1 in 100 to 4 in 100 (or something pretty close to that). Kamala as prosecutor just appears to be the lesser of two evils to many black men. Obama should remind them which party actually cares about them (or at least buys their votes).

    At the end of the day, it’s not unusual at all for a former president to stump for a party mate. Of course, if you are Trump, he can’t even get bands to allow them to use their music, let alone find a former Republican to stump for him.

    It’s over.

  45. D-FENS says:

    @Ceo_Branding
    Is it a tactical advantage for Republicans to have so many Democrats vote early? They are in a unique position of knowing exactly where the enemy lines are strongest on election day. But Dem leaders will have no idea where is best to deploy their resources.

    #election2020

    ExEssex says:
    October 19, 2020 at 3:07 pm
    1:57

    29 million have already voted……buh bye diiiiiickhead.

  46. Libturd says:

    And for some REAL NEWS,

    The next SCOTUS was raised by the PEOPLE OF PRAISE.

    Go look that up for a dose of what Trump wants our country to be about. It’s really amazing how such a pervy creep (yeah, he personally interviewed every beauty pageant entrant when he ran Miss USA) could be so loved by evangelicals.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-former-miss-arizona-tasha-dixon-naked-undressed-backstage-howard-stern-a7357866.html

    And you guys are worried about Biden whispering into someone’s ear?

  47. leftwing says:

    “But by enlarge, especially among white voters, the dumber they were, the more likely they were to vote for Trump. So you loyal holdouts are in good company.”

    If you didn’t throw out the snark in the last sentence then I wouldn’t feel compelled to note that the correct phrase is “by and large” and not “by enlarge”…….

    Although I suppose “buy enlarge” could make sense in this Biden situation had you decided to go that route.

    Luv ya Lib :)

  48. Libturd says:

    It could have been worse. I could have said buyin large!

    Looks like no stimulus.

    Now if I was Defenz – I might say, it’s proof that Trump has given up.

  49. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    Bama has a lot to hide as well. When they tried to abort the MAGA administration by framing up trump and selectively prosecuting his team, obama was quarterback.

    Even an acolyte of terrorist bill ayers would want to cover up that info. Biden’s #1 priority is going to be to bury the left’s malfeasance.

  50. leftwing says:

    Senate not in. No Senator cares about DJT, they play for their home audiences. Conservatives in Senate wouldn’t go near even DJT’s offer, let alone Pelosi’s…McConnell has little control there.

    Questioned the other day why the Senate wouldn’t force Pelosi’s hand by passing the bare bones of what everyone wants…including citizens and Pelosi’s caucus….PPP, another stim check, some limited state and local aid…Make it $500-800B and force Pelosi to say ‘no’ to the most critical components that they agree are most needed…seems that should help not just Prez election but also pump a couple points in some close Senate races?

    Rumblings of that occurring but not seeing anything yet.

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  52. BRT says:

    So…if the emails are all fake, how about those pictures? Where did they come from?

  53. ExEssex says:

    Nepotism Barbie has leveraged her role in the Whitehouse for personal gain.

  54. ExEssex says:

    3:56 Mitch has given up. That means he knows Trump will lose come Nov.

  55. crushednjmillenial says:

    If the Trump campaign knew about the Hunter Biden laptop and didn’t get it out in the media immediately, then the campaign is being run by idiots.

    This October surprise should have been out before the first debate, and indeed as early as possible. Every Trump comment for the whole election should have ended with “and, remember Hunter Biden was getting paid $50k per month by a Ukrainian gas company and making multi-million dollar deals to cash in on Joe Biden’s position as VP.”

    I just googled “Hunter biden allegations summary” in Google News and sorted by “past 24 hours” and only three articles came up . . . thanks, big tech.

  56. crushednjmillenial says:

    ^I should have added . . . 30 million Americans have already voted as of October 19, 2020. “October” surprises henceforth need to be “September Surprises”.

  57. Juice Box says:

    Lib – Article VI, section 3. I don’t think they applied a religious test to Ginsburg either

  58. Juice Box says:

    re: 30 million Americans have already voted

    How many of them will die before Nov 3rd? Will their votes still be counted?

  59. ExEssex says:

    Juice Box = WAP

  60. ExEssex says:

    Dr Scott Gottlieb, who ran the FDA from May 2017 to April 2019, said the US is entering the ‘biggest wave’ of the pandemic
    He pointed to the rising number of COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations as well as the lack of a vaccine to curb the crisis
    Gottlieb said the pandemic would be much worse if states didn’t have mitigation measures in place such as mask mandates and social distancing
    The former FDA chief called Trump holding large rallies ‘problematic’ and criticized the administration’s response to the pandemic. Gottlieb added Trump is a complete loser.

  61. Fabius Maximus says:

    Again Roberts comes out to defend his court.

    “Wow. By a pair of 4-4 votes, #SCOTUS rejects two Republican requests to stay Pennsylvania state court rulings that allow counting of absentee ballots arriving shortly after Election Day with no (or illegible) postmark.”

    https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1318328591848034304

  62. BRT says:

    Just put Jim Carrey in Biden’s place. Close enough and no security risk.
    America has clusters of virus and clusters of ukcs.

    And they are both anti-vaxxers.

  63. ExEssex says:

    Teachers have no business being Republican
    It’s the ultimate faux aspirational pose.

  64. Fabius Maximus says:

    So Rudi offered this to Fox who turned it down and we have NY Post Journalists refusing to put their name on the byline. Indications that Hunter was in CA at the the time of the alleged drop and missing tapes from the stores camera.

    If that was not enough, we get the FBI starting an investigation in to Rudi. You can’t make it up.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/10/17/fbi-probes-possible-russia-link-hunter-biden-data-trump-ally-giuliani/3661895001/

    What is interesting to me is the ones in here jumping all over this story. Laptop with dodgy provenance 100% legit, yet Steele dossier, is a total hoax.

  65. RentL0rd says:

    Does 3b = Bitch, bitch and bitch some more?
    NYTimes and NYPost cannot be said in the same sentence you moron!

    and Fast Crapping Eddie, do you plan to leave the country along with tDump when this is over?

  66. BRT says:

    Who are you kidding? Teacher’s aren’t allowed to be Republican, or even independent anymore.

  67. ExEssex says:

    Slitting your own throat. Programs diametrically opposed to your livelihood.

  68. ExEssex says:

    Trump is reportedly ‘sitting’ on $9 billion earmarked for COVID-19 testing due to opposition from controversial advisor Scott Atlas

    The Trump administration has reportedly not spent $9 billion in funding for COVID-19 testing because of opposition from Scott Atlas, an advisor on the White House coronavirus task force.
    Atlas is not an infectious-disease expert and has emerged as an influential advisor on the task force by promoting ideas in line with Trump’s approach to the pandemic.

  69. BRT says:

    None of that affects my livelihood anymore ever since I switched districts and negotiated for myself.

  70. ExEssex says:

    Surely you aren’t that stupid?

  71. ExEssex says:

    Actually that was a rhetorical question.

  72. Phoenix says:

    First.

  73. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    Yep, predictably Biden has announced he will be hiding in his basement until Thursday. Two weeks before the presidential election just sitting, hiding from reality in his basement. Great leadership.

  74. ExEssex says:

    7:39 you need a leader?

  75. ExEssex says:

    Putin not good enough for you?

  76. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    Any mention of Putin or Russia is a TDS tell. You’ve been fooled by the establishment propaganda arm.

    You must have been a big fan of the CNN guy who just got outed for jerking off during the zoom call. He talked about collusion for three years straight until the hoax imploded. Funny how so many of the most ardent anti trumpets are degenerates.

  77. ExEssex says:

    8:05 tell me more……

  78. ExEssex says:

    Election day is going to be fuuuuun !

  79. Fast Eddie says:

    You guys on the left are becoming unhinged, almost paranoid. I’m reading these comments and it’s back to Russia and G0d knows what other guff and blather comes out of your shith0les. It’s funny because when Trump had Covid, you thought this thing was in the bag. It was on the heels of the first debate and it wasn’t a good week for Trump. But then, the guy bounces back, Pence mops the floor with Carmella and Trump has tens of thousands at every rally, sometimes twice per day while your guy talks to 5 people in a room and takes a nap after lunch.

    As an observer, I’d be a bit perplexed about these poll numbers. I mean, Hillary was a slam dunk… it was just a matter of how bad the drubbing was going to be and well, we know what happened. :) But now, you guys seem… hmmm.. concerned. Oh, and who knows what other tidbits will be released from those 26,000 emails. You know, the ones that Putin gave to Rudy, along with those “fake” pictures of Hunter. lol.

  80. 3b says:

    Essex Your fixation on Putin is tiresome.

  81. Fast Eddie says:

    In September, according to polling done by Rasmussen, Trump’s approval rating among African Americans reached 45%. Keep in mind that President Trump only received 8% of the Black vote in 2016. If Trump received just 16% of the Black vote this November, let alone an even higher number, that would all but secure states like Michigan for Trump.

    Omg, say it ain’t so, O’Biden people!! African Americans are the left’s human shields! Are you telling me they’re beginning to feel they’ve been used?

  82. Juice Box says:

    Paper trail exists for the laptop. It’s real and the Feds have it.

    The Feds probably subpoenaed Apple too for the iCloud info to verify ownership etc, the serial number etc it is all collected by Apple.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8857893/Documents-Hunter-Bidens-signature-Delaware-computer-repair-shop-receipt.

    What concerns me is there was a grand jury investigation. We have yet to hear anything about it. If the MSM put the same amount of reporters on that like the do every time Trump stay at a golf course they should have the information in no time at all.

  83. D-FENS says:

    One would think Children are the most important thing to teachers…and that they would vote for the candidate that would put children’s welfare first.

  84. D-FENS says:

    NY Post still locked out of their twitter account after the Biden story broke

  85. D-FENS says:

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  86. Juice Box says:

    One of the more interesting angles not covered here in the USA is the fact that “sleeping until Thursday” Joe Biden says as cover that the Europeans wanted the prosecutor Shokin gone too, which is true. Does anyone care to guess why? Does any reporter ask as follow up question? ( Trick question sleeping Joe has not done a press conference since September).

    The Europeans wanted to clean up corruption in Ukraine as part of their loan guarantees. Does anyone know what one of their biggest complaints about Prosecutor Shokin actually was? The Europeans complained that then prosecutor Shokin failed to investigate Burisma!

  87. 3b says:

    Juice: it smells, and certainly looks like collusion to me. Grand Jury and no results yet, Why? But in the end it does not matter because no matter what Biden and his son may be guilty of, the left does not care, as long as Trump is gone. This is how the left will ultimately win, coordination between them sympathetic government employees and the media, will guarantee the outcome they want.

  88. Juice Box says:

    Don’t mess with Biden supporters, they are unhinged and have killed a few people already.

    https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2020/10/19/police-kingsville-man-putting-up-blm-sign-arrested-after-shooting-at-truck-with-trump-sign/

  89. Juice Box says:

    Moving on out….

    “Taxpayers in California, New Jersey and New York who earn more than $400k a year could face combined state and local income tax rates of more than 60% under a Joe Biden presidency.”

    https://taxfoundation.org/joe-biden-tax-plan-2020/

  90. chicagofinance says:

    The stuff Trump said about Fauci is indefensible…… especially with the election in 2 weeks….. Trump is the “stupid bastard”

  91. chicagofinance says:

    Some of Thursday’s debate footage…..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB5dmv9WYVY

  92. Juice Box says:

    Ireland goes back to level 5 lockdown this week, all non-essential businesses must close until December 1st. Schools will remain open. 150,000 expected to be unemployed this week, they are averaging about 1,000 new covid-19 cases a day. Majority are in Dublin.

    My Aunt said the “Dubs” have been coming out into the country side and not following the rules, masks, distancing, partying too much (house parties in rental homes) and spreading the virus.

    New rules say you are not allowed to travel more than 5 kilometers from your home. For my aunt this means no shopping in the nearest city of Ennis. Their Police were stopping people on the main road from going there last time, but there are too many back roads if you know your way around.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/level-5-latest-garda%C3%AD-to-be-given-new-powers-to-fine-people-for-holding-house-parties-1.4385990

  93. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    What did he say that was indefensible? That Fauci has become a spectacle and prop for the propaganda? Hardly news.

    But if you’ve put all your faith int the bureaucracy I guess you might think that way.

  94. 3b says:

    Juice: Lots of people pisses over there, as many have been following the rules for these past months. Lots of visitors coming from England too who were also spreading it. And yes lots of back roads over there to get around restrictions. My cousins and I took them all the time back in the day.

  95. BRT says:

    Fauci is hardly infallable, and he was one of the primary experts we relied on throughout this thing. I’m not casting blame, because there was a ton of misinformation coming out of China but as late as Jan 24th, Fauci is on television saying this is not a danger to Americans and that we were prepared to contain any cases coming in. It just wasn’t true. The nature of exponential growth of this thing shows that once you detect it in a few individuals, it’s too late and has spread like crazy. That’s why, “patient zero”, who was likely a recipient of the virus 2 months after the true patient zero was followed by massive infections and deaths.

    Fauci is also on record saying don’t bother with a mask. He has since taken that back and maybe tried to save face saying he didn’t want people hoarding them. But I’m not buying that one. Talk to people like adults and tell them flat out, these are needed for medical professionals right now.

    He is also on record saying the Presidents border closures and flight suspensions saved thousands of lives. You can try to rewrite history all you want, but the other side of the spectrum was criticizing those moves at the time.

  96. D-FENS says:

    On economic matters? Yes he is.

    chicagofinance says:
    October 20, 2020 at 9:26 am
    The stuff Trump said about Fauci is indefensible…… especially with the election in 2 weeks….. Trump is the “stupid bastard”

  97. Juice Box says:

    3B- Cops in Ireland are powerless, they cannot go into a home and kick people out, they ask nicely and are told to “F -OFF”

    The Cops only now levy fines as of this week, no arrests allowed.

  98. Phoenix says:

    Criminals don’t like being caught on cameras. They want you to give them access to your Ring and security cameras, but they deny you access to their car cameras and fight body cams. So much for transparency.

    https://www.nj.com/politics/2020/10/murphy-vetoes-bills-requiring-cops-to-use-body-cameras-citing-cost-and-privacy-concerns.html

  99. Phoenix says:

    Fauci was giving the correct information with the data that was available at the time.

    That’s what normal people do. As you learn you adapt and make changes to the information, just like storm tracking.

    Anyone judging him on this is a fecal crusted sphincter.

  100. Juice Box says:

    Fauci,Birx,Atlas – Media write dozens of new stories about them every day. Few of these reporters are writing about the truth, they are just writing for eyeballs and clicks.

    Even when the vaccine comes Covid-19 is not going away. We are going to have to develop a different strategy to protect those that might get very ill or die from Covid-19 for society to go on. Fox example there are still a great many deaths from Covid-19 still occurring in nursing homes that could be prevented. I have not heard of any different strategy for the elderly. PPE just does not cut it as the elderly are still dying.

    My friend just lost his father, he was late 80s with Alzheimer’s and died of a heart condition at his son’s home in Chicago. My friend and his sister were shuttling their father back and forth between New Jersey and Chicago every six weeks taking turns keeping him safe, they did not put him in a nursing home because of covid-19 and he did not die because of Covid-19.

    That should be the focus, but instead we get page 6 news stories about the discussions that are bound to happen on a coronavirus task force.

  101. Phoenix says:

    “Taxpayers in California, New Jersey and New York who earn more than $400k a year could face combined state and local income tax rates of more than 60% under a Joe Biden presidency.”

    Was like that years ago in America, when people paid their taxes instead of dumping them on the youth like the boomers did.

    Don’t want a tax increase, that’s fine. Balance the budget of the USA and NJ (paying what you owe right now) is acceptable.

  102. Fast Eddie says:

    O’Biden’s plan to combat Covid:

    “A decisive public health response that ensures the wide availability of free testing; the elimination of all cost barriers to preventive care and treatment for COVID-19; the development of a vaccine; and the full deployment and operation of necessary supplies, personnel, and facilities.”

    Because the Trump administration did none of the above. Right? I said, right?

  103. Phoenix says:

    PPE just does not cut it as the elderly are still dying.

    You think some minimum wage worker in a nursing home with 3 jobs understands PPE? They don’t even understand English.

    The reason death rates are down is the Boomers are in hiding. The kids are not and they are out partying and getting it, some will die.

    Nursing homes are like a breeding ground if it gets there. All of those Grannys and Grandpa’s all lined up fully fueled on the deck like planes on an aircraft carrier.

    Love granny, take her home. Or say goodbye with a Microsoft product.

  104. Phoenix says:

    Russian Boomers climb into a hot nuclear reactor to cover it and save their fellow Russians.

    American Boomers call their congressmen from an infested cruise ship demanding that they come back to the mainland in order to spread their sickness to everyone.

  105. Phoenix says:

    and cry if forced to quarantine. They wanna go home like crybabies.

    Sit down and get your talking to.

  106. Juice Box says:

    Phoenix – I agree boomers are in hiding, keeping the death rate down. What would you think will happen when they go into the nursing home?

    As discussed here numerous times the infection spreads like wildfire in Hospitals and nursing homes. It is still happening, it should be contained by now and it’s not. The Feds have poured hundreds of billions into the Hospitals and nursing homes. Why is this still happening?

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/521815-every-resident-of-kansas-nursing-home-infected-with-covid-19

  107. Phoenix says:

    “Why is this still happening?”

    Oh Dear God,

    And I use these words very frequently. Do you have to ask? Have you stepped into one of these places even once in your life?

  108. Juice Box says:

    Phoenix my point about taxpayers in California, New Jersey and New York is they will move to a lower taxed state. It’s already happening, the rich can and will vote with their feet if you tax them too much.

  109. leftwing says:

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  110. JCer says:

    Juice, if that comes to pass I’m getting a lower paying job working fewer hours. Making over 400k just won’t be worth it anymore between FICA, 39.6% tax, loss of full deductions, NJ’s taxes I’ll get to keep $0.35 of every dollar earned! I’m not going to bust my a$$ any longer so Bebo gets a bigger child tax credit and it’s not like I need the money anyway. At least in Europe everyone is taxed, here the top 1% will shoulder the load.

    Trump is a moron, but frankly no one has any answers on COVID outside of total lock down which carries a totally unacceptable set of consequences and cannot be implemented in the US. To Eddie’s point I don’t think you would have seen better results under any president. The death toll is really a function of how successfully a country kept it’s over 65 population. Honestly the UK, Italy, and Spain didn’t fair any better and I feel as if they had a stricter lock down policy than most of the US….. Frankly just looking at excess deaths and deaths by age the death toll is exaggerated lots of deaths with covid as opposed to deaths caused by covid, the numbers are still high and a lot of people have died from COVID some of the 209k deaths were going to happen regardless of COVID and we are not accounting for it thus making our numbers not directly comparable with some other countries.

  111. 3b says:

    Juice: That is true. And the Guards are unarmed as well.

  112. leftwing says:

    “Phoenix says:…Was like that years ago in America, when people paid their taxes instead of dumping them on the youth like the boomers did…”

    Phoenix seems from this post and the ones that follow you have a real issue with spending that impacts following generations.

    I agree. I don’t know which way you are voting but you are batsh1t crazy if you go Blue with those views.

    I’m not a boomer but I do have a five handle on my age. Sat down with my two twenty somethings and walked them through the impact of another 3,6, or 9 trillion of spending on them.

    Made a point that they needed to get actively involved in these electoral decisions because, regardless of what outrageous sum is spent over the presidential term, I really won’t feel the full effects of it given my age.

    For them – and apparently you – however the spending proposed by Blue is insane. At the very least, it will crowd out other spending causing a decline in the standard of living you otherwise would have enjoyed.

    Good luck, man. For the first time in my life I’m actually happy I’m not younger than what I am.

  113. ExEssex says:

    Pathetic.

  114. ExEssex says:

    Donald Trump’s promise in an ABC News town hall last month that the United States would soon achieve herd immunity for the coronavirus, and conflating that with herd mentality, may be explained because Trump is counting on the latter to rescue his second term. It’s otherwise impossible to imagine a campaign whose endgame is to recover the lost loyalty of voters over 65 selecting as its closing argument, “Not enough of you have died yet.”

    It’s a safe bet that none of his 2016 Republican primary challengers would have embraced the idea that the solution to the pandemic was more American casualties than the Civil War and World War II combined. But many of Trump’s Republican comrades-in-arms have embraced, often eagerly, a default preference for herd immunity — harkening back to the harsh social Darwinism that underlies much of modern conservatism. Early on in the pandemic there were Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, Rep. Trey Hollingsworth of Indiana and radio host Glenn Beck, all of whom argued that the loss of more American lives was preferable to scaling back the economy. Then, when the issue became wearing masks, some opponents argued “if I’m going to get COVID and die from it, so be it …” Of course they really meant, “If you are going to get COVID …” Wearing masks was a deprivation of freedom — although this argument seems never to have been extended by Republicans to the prohibition on public nudity.

  115. ExEssex says:

    As the pandemic surged again, by October Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin was referring to “unjustified hysteria” about covid, and asked, after he became infected, “”Why do we think we actually can stop the progression of a contagious disease?” (The obvious answer is that we have been doing so, with increasing success, since the 1854 cholera pump moment. That is rejected by many on the right, because stopping a pandemic may require the government to prevent citizens from endangering others.)

    Herd immunity can sometimes reduce mortality from a disease, but over the centuries has failed to end the curse of influenza, tuberculosis, smallpox, polio, rabies or dengue fever. It fits neatly, however, into a social Darwinist framework. Those who die are the “weak” — the poorest, the youngest and the oldest young — or can at any rate be classified as weak and deserving to die, because they died. Survival of the fittest requires discarding the weak. Remember the “let them die” hecklers who populated some of the 2011 Republican debates on health care.

    This underlying value distortion — my personal freedom extends to my right to endanger you — spreads out across a range of other issues.

  116. JCer says:

    ExEssex, give it a rest. Let be honest we are dealing with a disease that has limited treatment options, our hail mary pass is the vaccine. What’s your preference reducing the death rate or the death of many american enterprises, shortages of necessities/goods, and an economic collapse as the world has never seen. Realistically for pandemics with higher mortality the world didn’t shut down. People should be cautious as much as possible and take any precautions they can but lets get real here…..

    As for Boomers, my mom is a boomer, a rapid anti-trumper. These people are equally crazy they think the masks are magic and are continuing on as if there is no pandemic. Going to stores, still having the weekly card game, going to AC(her friend went to vegas), flying on planes, having parties, and eating out. I’m sorry folks masks don’t work that way!

    On taxes, just be done with it and restore the Clinton tax rates and tax code. Playing these games gets us where we are. Everyone needs to pay none of this “donut hole” taxation which eliminates the majority of taxpayers, none of this we are restoring increased rates above 250k but not below thus losing 70% of the revenue from the tax increases. One cannot expect 6 million people(top 2%-3% of households earning over 400k) to carry the added tax load for the other 326 million it’s madness, do democrats not understand math? The vast majority of these folks are the working wealthy, they spend this money what happens when they don’t have it anymore? The number of massively wealthy people gets real small, real quick, to meaningfully raise revenue they need a broad base, that means everyone is paying. Tax policy is very skewed to and favors incomes of 100-150k, really what kind of tax code allows someone to make 100k tax free? Our current code does but only through gimmicks and capital gains, there is room to fix the tax code the warmed over dogsh*t the democrats are spouting ain’t it, we also need to address spending as well.

  117. Fast Eddie says:

    The green new deal: $4,000,000,000,000 in taxes. One of the requirements in the plan is free money. If you’re unwilling to work, those that are working will need to give money (extortion tax) to the leeches and layabouts.

    How about this one: The government will provide, “safe, affordable, adequate housing” for every American citizen.

    This one sounds lovely: The bill promises the United States government will provide every single American with a job that includes a “family-sustaining wage, family and medical leave, vacations, and a pension.”

    There’s about ten more points in the plan. Go O’Biden! We luv u!

    Keep working, s.uckers!

  118. Bystander says:

    Oh please, investigate quickly, I need something. I am losing bigly. Geez, he almost conceded election in last paragraph. What a pathetic piece of excrement. Good bye Insane Orange clown posse. Choose a sane candidate next time.

    “We’ve got to get the attorney general to act,” Trump said in a telephone interview with “Fox & Friends” when asked whether a special prosecutor should be appointed to probe unverified allegations against the Bidens. “He’s got to act. And he’s got to act fast. He’s got to appoint somebody. This is major corruption, and this has to be known about before the election.”

    “Bill Barr is going to go down as either the greatest attorney general in the history of the country, or he’s going to go down as, you know, a very sad situation,” Trump said.

  119. chicagofinance says:

    Fast….. you need to add an extra zero on the end…..

    Fast Eddie says:
    October 20, 2020 at 12:49 pm
    The green new deal: $4,000,000,000,000 in taxes. One of the requirements in the plan is free money. If you’re unwilling to work, those that are working will need to give money (extortion tax) to the leeches and layabouts.

    How about this one: The government will provide, “safe, affordable, adequate housing” for every American citizen.

    This one sounds lovely: The bill promises the United States government will provide every single American with a job that includes a “family-sustaining wage, family and medical leave, vacations, and a pension.”

    There’s about ten more points in the plan. Go O’Biden! We luv u!

    Keep working, s.uckers!

  120. Fast Eddie says:

    Trump holding massive, f.ucking massive rallies everywhere he goes. There’s an ocean of people. He called CNN a bunch of dumb b@stards and the crowd went nuts. Good, f.uck em all and f.uck that old c0cksucker sitting in his basement right now.

  121. chicagofinance says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtEFEdrrXc4

    JCer says:
    October 20, 2020 at 12:23 pm
    Everyone needs to pay none of this “donut hole” taxation which eliminates the majority of taxpayers, none of this we are restoring increased rates above 250k but not below thus losing 70% of the revenue from the tax increases.

  122. Libturd says:

    “Trump holding massive, f.ucking massive rallies everywhere he goes.”

    He’s truly the hero of the stupid Gary. Anyone who thinks it’s okay to have massive assemblies of people during a pandemic should simply be jailed, not exalted. Stupid is as stupid does I suppose.

    Tangle, once again, does an excellent job breaking down the Joe/Hunter story. The short of it is that the drive and contents are likely real. The sad truth of it is that it’s hardly a smoking gun, not illegal nor surprising to anyone anymore. It also proves absolutely no wrongdoing on the part of Joe. Nonetheless, it’s not pretty. Much like how Trump’s lack of paying taxes was revealed, the chain of command is a mess of lies already with many changing their stories and definite Russian agent involvement. As a matter of fact, the same team that uncovered HRC’s emails are involved in this one. But expect to only hear THEIR side of the story from the vast majority of the right wing liars who post here.

    Nonetheless, the fat lady is singing loudly and clearly.

  123. Fast Eddie says:

    Nobody showed up two days ago either…

    https://tinyurl.com/y2l8r545

  124. Libturd says:

    Every single one of those rally attendees should be quarantined. I see, they won’t even wear the free MAGA masks Trump still gives them. Just an assembly of the selfish and stupid. HRC was right. They are all deplorable. Sorry Gary. I have no issue with people wanting to support their candidate (though I find it a little childish to attend a rally). Ut during a pandemic, this is just utterly stupid. With masks and separation, no problem. What I am seeing is just true stupidity. Our country is doomed regardless who wins.

  125. Fast Eddie says:

    O’Biden rally…. LMAO!!

    https://tinyurl.com/y29qrgyn

  126. Fast Eddie says:

    In Delaware, three weeks ago… pack that crowd in, Joe. LMFAO!!

    https://tinyurl.com/yxlmz9ao

  127. Fast Eddie says:

    One more massive, massive crowd for O’Biden…

    https://tinyurl.com/y4mfa687

  128. JCer says:

    Lib, I cannot help but notice your hypocrisy showing…..

    No issues with BLM protests…ahem….riots but issues with these rallies because of the “pandemic”. Is there any evidence that suggests we have COVID outbreaks at these rallies? Just an honest question, not trying to agitate anyone.

    Biden is a doddering old fool. The Hunter laptop doesn’t appear to prove(in a legal sense) criminal behavior on Joe’s part but it certainly provides evidence of some malfeasance on Joe’s part. There probably is evidence on their that could send Hunter to jail for something. To me the thing that is disturbing if the laptop story is true is the crackhead couldn’t even go back to the shop and pay a very small bill for data recovery when the laptop is full of embarrassing content, pathetic.

    I’m sorry it’s pretty obvious to me that Joe was too busy using Hunter as his bag man to get him the help he needs, giving 50k a month to a crack head is enabling them to harm themselves. In no way shape or form should anyone have let Hunter near that kind of money. If Biden were honest he would have told these foreign agents to run away from his son and not give him a dime. Biden was too busy grifting to care about his kids, he’s a failed politician, father, and husband. There is nothing that good old Joe hasn’t turned to sh*t in nearly 80 years…seriously even Obama knows this. Why anyone thinks it’s a good idea to give this man the presidency is beyond me, as deranged as the orange clown is it can and probably would get worse under and obiden regime, because he actually “believes in government” as opposed to Trump who just thinks it gets in the way…

  129. D-FENS says:

    It appears NY Times FOIA’d the state department a year ago about this Hunter Biden stuff…they appear to have been sitting on it…all the news that’s fit to hide I guess.

    https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Hunter-Biden.pdf

    Eric Ciaramella…anyone remember that name? It comes up a few times in the FOIA request. He was the impeachment whistleblower. Looks like he was also Biden’s top Ukraine analyst.

    No news is fake news…

  130. Libturd says:

    “No issues with BLM protests…ahem”

    JCer. This is not hypocrisy. It’s not even close. It’s one thing being sick of the lack of police reform in the continued killing of black men. That just may be worth the risk for some (not me). You’ll hardly find a protester without a mask and the vast majority of the protests were marches where there was a some physical separation.

    A Trump rally is not a protest. Noone is being asphyxiated by a knee to the neck.

    Would you go to a rally without a mask? Serious question.

  131. ExEssex says:

    12:23 i will give it a rest in two weeks.
    Then i’ll watch it all burn from a safe distance.

  132. Libturd says:

    As for Joe, it’s clear he asked his crackhead son to not solly the family name. We all know how addicts work. Most would fukc a crack ho in exchange for a fix.

    “The question here is if Joe Biden profited from these dealings or if U.S. foreign policy was impacted by Hunter’s actions abroad. That’s the overarching allegation being made. And in that regard, we still don’t have evidence of any wrongdoing. Not after these emails, not after the Senate investigation, and not after the impeachment inquiry.

    First, Pozharskyi’s email does not make it clear if the purported meeting ever happened. He thanked Hunter for “giving an opportunity” to meet his father — he didn’t say they did meet. There are two ways to read his email: that the meeting was forthcoming or that it had already happened. It seems more likely to me the latter, but we actually don’t know for sure from this one email. Hunter never replied to the email and there’s no public record of a meeting. Even if they did meet, though, that’s not evidence of wrongdoing, and it looks like it could have happened out in the open at a public event in D.C. that lines up with the dates of the emails.

    There’s also a curious email nobody seems to be reporting on. In April of 2014, Hunter is writing to his Ukrainian business partners about a forthcoming visit Joe Biden is making to Ukraine. He says “What he will do and say is out of our hands… In other words it could be a really good thing or it could end up creating too great an expectation. We need to temper expectations regarding that visit.” This flies in the face of allegations that Hunter could influence his dad. It also comports with the other text exchanges and public records that show a strained relationship between the two — not one where Hunter was making and receiving favors from the VP.

    The Post has also stepped on a few rakes trying to make this all sound as nefarious as possible. In one story, they claim a PR company working for Burisma was able to take part in a conference call regarding that same visit Joe Biden was making to Ukraine. This was supposed to be proof of Burisma’s access to the vice president. But the call was actually a public conference call, open to the press, and the transcript of the call was released publicly and posted on the White House website. So this framing, again, is extremely misleading by The Post and points to a story in search of a narrative.

    Finally, two important things as they relate to Trump: One, we have Biden’s tax returns (unlike Trump). They’ve been scoured. We can say, almost certainly, that he has made a ton of money since being vice president through things like speaking engagements. We’d probably know if he had any foreign dealings. Two, at risk of committing a case of “whataboutism,” it does seem worth noting that President Trump has openly sold off access to his administration by handing out government jobs to unqualified high rollers from his various businesses. The Times explored this in detail in a story titled “The Swamp That Trump Built” but it’s gotten far less oxygen than the salacious Hunter Biden story.”

  133. ExEssex says:

    Thanks Lib good analysis. I rely on you to make sense of the sh*t that gets tossed around here and you never disappoint. Ironic how the most egregious rip-off artist and thief in the history of the Oval office is trying to try to bring his opponent down using this particular ploy. But the thing is it isn’t working. Trump is going to lose and by my estimation he is going to lose big.

  134. Libturd says:

    Hey,

    It worked in 2016. Why wouldn’t he double down in 2020. The problem now is that of the emperor’s new clothes. His entire campaign was based on a lie and he just keeps on lying. I remember his first national political commercial was incredulous. You all remember it, “I will build a wall and will get Mexico to pay for it.” He was, “Going to cut the head off of Isis and will take their oil!” Finally, he promised to put a “temporary” ban on all Muslim travel. Because as we all know. Everyone who bows to Allah is a terrorist!

    https://youtu.be/qa3edsMzHkA

    And nearly half the country voted for this POS!

    It’s still mind-boggling. It really is! And you wonder how a sane person could call Trump and his supporters stupid. They simply are!

  135. JCer says:

    Dude the smoking gun is the text message and emails about H holding a share of the company for the big guy. Again not corroborated but shady as he!!. Again why did anyone give Hunter this money, he’s shady and was a known crackhead, the corrupt oligarch are corrupt not stupid they were paying for something and if they didn’t get it people usually wind up dead.

    Again Lib, I like you but this line “It’s one thing being sick of the lack of police reform in the continued killing of black men.”, again there is no evidence that remotely bares out a disproportionate number of black men being killed by the police who were not actively engaged in criminal behavior, the data simply does not support this argument so try again. It is literally the definition of hypocrisy, because you see something as important it is OK to ignore precautions regarding the pandemic. I would do neither because both are an exercise in futility and achieve nothing, my point is clearly whether it’s Jews in Brooklyn going to synagogue, evangelicals going to church, a redneck going to a trump rally, or a protester for BLM exercising their constitutional rights all of these activities carry serious risks during the pandemic, these people have a deep seated belief in what they are doing. To those rednecks at the rallies electing Donald Trump is incredibly important, he has them convinced if they don’t we will all be speaking Chinese, we don’t need to go into how gullible these people are. But because your bias agrees with another set of gullible morons, you view it as OK to gather publicly. Hypocrisy…….

  136. D-FENS says:

    Not many caravans these days. Mexico is the wall.

    Libturd says:
    October 20, 2020 at 3:54 pm
    Hey,

    It worked in 2016. Why wouldn’t he double down in 2020. The problem now is that of the emperor’s new clothes. His entire campaign was based on a lie and he just keeps on lying. I remember his first national political commercial was incredulous. You all remember it, “I will build a wall and will get Mexico to pay for it.” He was, “Going to cut the head off of Isis and will take their oil!” Finally, he promised to put a “temporary” ban on all Muslim travel. Because as we all know. Everyone who bows to Allah is a terrorist!

    https://youtu.be/qa3edsMzHkA

    And nearly half the country voted for this POS!

    It’s still mind-boggling. It really is! And you wonder how a sane person could call Trump and his supporters stupid. They simply are!

  137. leftwing says:

    “It is literally the definition of hypocrisy, because you see something as important it is OK to ignore precautions regarding the pandemic.”

    I was going to type the exact same thing….the view literally IS the definition of hypocrisy….SMH….

    hy·poc·ri·sy /həˈpäkrəsē/ Learn to pronounce
    noun, the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one’s own behavior does not conform

  138. chicagofinance says:

    I apologize for the CAPS….. I am not shouting…. I just want to embed text.

    Libturd says:
    October 20, 2020 at 3:26 pm
    And in that regard, we still don’t have evidence of any wrongdoing. Not after these emails, not after the Senate investigation, and not after the impeachment inquiry.
    REMEMBER THESE ARE EMAILS ON THE OPEN PUBLIC INTERNET. THE IDEA THAT HUNTER BIDEN WOULD SEND THESE EMAILS TO MULTIPLE PARTIES WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO CONTROL THEIR DISSEMINATION IS EMBARASSINGLY STUPID ON ITS FACE. THAT SAID, LACK OF CLEAR LANGUAGE IS NOT PROOF AGAINST WRONGDOING; ALL IT CREATES IS PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY. IT IS NOT A COURT OF LAW. THERE IS NO PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE. ANYTHING THAT LOOKS SHADY IS BY DEFINITION ——- FCUKING SHADY.

    First, Pozharskyi’s email does not make it clear if the purported meeting ever happened. He thanked Hunter for “giving an opportunity” to meet his father — he didn’t say they did meet. There are two ways to read his email: that the meeting was forthcoming or that it had already happened. It seems more likely to me the latter, but we actually don’t know for sure from this one email. Hunter never replied to the email and there’s no public record of a meeting. Even if they did meet, though, that’s not evidence of wrongdoing, and it looks like it could have happened out in the open at a public event in D.C. that lines up with the dates of the emails.

    There’s also a curious email nobody seems to be reporting on. In April of 2014, Hunter is writing to his Ukrainian business partners about a forthcoming visit Joe Biden is making to Ukraine. He says “What he will do and say is out of our hands… In other words it could be a really good thing or it could end up creating too great an expectation. We need to temper expectations regarding that visit.” This flies in the face of allegations that Hunter could influence his dad.
    OF COURSE HUNTER CAN INFLUENCE HIS DAD. THE POINT IS THAT HE DOESN’T CONTROL HIM. THAT SAID, HUNTER BIDEN IS NO DIFFERENT THAN MICHAEL COHEN TO TRUMP. HE IS A FIXER; AND A BAG MAN; HE ALLOWS JOE TO KEEP HIS HANDS CLEAN. HE ALLOWS JOE TO BE THE FAMOUS……. YOU DON’T KNOW AND YOU DON’T WANT TO KNOW. PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, WILLFUL IGNORANCE.

  139. Libturd says:

    My point exactly Chifi.

    He is as corrupt as all of them (besides Bernie). But that still doesn’t mean I should ignore the collective body of the burning tire fire that is Donald Trump.

    “black men being killed by the police who were not actively engaged in criminal behavior”

    This is the tip of the iceberg. If you are a black male, you are presumed guilty. You will be followed in your car. You will be followed in a store. You will be fingered out of a lineup by ignorant white folks who think you all look the same. You will kneel and instantly become a national headline. Of course a white coach gets caught with hookers and it means nothing. No collective discussion. Life goes on.

    You don’t get it because you don’t see it. I hear it from neighbors and friends. I heard it from my college roommates 33 years ago. It never changes. I would expect each protest to get larger and larger as this behavior continues. Especially in light of decisions such as Murphy to reject the 52 million dollar cop cam bill. 52 million dollars in a 40 billion budget. It’s obvious who thinks he needs the support of the thin blue line.

  140. njtownhomer says:

    There is no Comey to stir up things two weeks before. Desperation is at the limit.

    I’d say last two weeks will be very interesting. I don’t expect a debate taking place, in fact everyday the orange rhetoric will increase, to the level it repels its people.

    As for the roaring crowds, wait to hear from the silent majority. Banks are already confirming the change that is taking place at the helm.

  141. Bystander says:

    JCer,

    he actually “believes in government” as opposed to Trump who just thinks it gets in the way…

    Like all Orange cult fascists believe too. You would rather be rules by a dictator than a D. That damn Constitution and separated branches just won’t let me do whatever I want. Sorry pure BS.

  142. JCer says:

    Lib I don’t disagree about the profiling of black men nor the stupidity of Murphy. My gripe is the repetition of this lie over and over again that somehow has gained public acceptance as a fact. We need criminal justice reform way before anything to do with patrolling. The courts have abandoned our constitution when it comes to police in the interest of capturing drug dealers. I don’t disagree at all that black people are far more likely to be hassled by police and that is something we can and should adjust.

    On the dumpster fire that is the Trump administration. Self admittedly “they are all crooks”, why would you want to give control to a crook who wishes to increase the size of the government?

  143. Libturd says:

    Because I’ve seen firsthand the damage that indiscriminate cuts can do as well. I have less of an issue with the size of government as much as I do with accountability. My bigger issue is morality. I saw all that I needed to see from 2007-2009. Immorality rules the day in our federal government. The constitution doesn’t mean sh1t anymore when those in charge of making sure it’s used as a guide to keep our union strong spend all of their time figuring out how to bastardize every word of it to fit their selfish and frequently unpopular needs. Costa Rica is opening back up. I really can’t wait to move down there.

    Shots fired in Montclair today and a huge house fire just a block away from my multi. This country is past saving.

    The correct call was made here almost 15 years ago. This country is slowly sinking into second world status. I appreciate those warning me about crime in Costa Rica. I’ve looked at the numbers. It’s many times safer outside of San Jose than it is in the vast majority of the US.

    I do hope some of you will come down and see.

  144. D-FENS says:

    But yeah vote for Biden cuz Twump says mean stuff on Twitter.

    DOJ/FBI learn about evidence on Hunter’s laptop Sep. 2019

    @RepAdamSchiff announced Ukraine call whistleblower Sep 9th.

    2 weeks later HIS committee was in charge of impeachment.

  145. Phoenix says:

    For every black man that is profiled as a criminal there is a criminal white woman who is profiled as sweet, innocent, and wholesome by the same police who can’t see past her genetalia.

  146. D-FENS says:

    For those of you who left any part of your mail in ballot blank

    https://twitter.com/agent_gattaca/status/1318574205445664771?s=21

  147. ExEssex says:

    Santa Monica Police Chief Cynthia Renaud has resigned effective October 25
    Chief Renaud will assume the presidency of the International Association of Chiefs of Police – which has 31,000 members in 165 nations – on October 23
    During unrest in May and June protesters were injured by police rubber bullets
    The SMPD arrested 400 people in relation to protests, riots and looting but didn’t press charges against any of the suspects
    Renaud said at the time that opportunists were ruining the protests
    A petition claiming the department has lost control garnered more than 60,000 signatures calling for her to quit before she announced her retirement on Friday

  148. njtownhomer says:

    BTC is at another peak (12K), IMF is cheering for a inter-central bank digital currency, all trade and cross payment systems are in deep stress. Bankruptcies are sky high, small business are very much struggling, leveraged debt market is in shit, unemployment is still increasing everywhere and we have elections in 2 weeks. Perfect storm.

  149. SomeOne says:

    What is interesting to me is the ones in here jumping all over this story. Laptop with dodgy provenance 100% legit, yet Steele dossier, is a total hoax.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if some here start posting that covid is a total hoax too. There are a few “my red/blue team, right or wrong” — way more on one side than other though.

  150. ExEssex says:

    President Trump and his allies have tried to paint the Democratic nominee, Joseph R. Biden Jr., as soft on China, in part by pointing to his son’s business dealings there.

    Senate Republicans produced a report asserting, among other things, that Mr. Biden’s son Hunter “opened a bank account” with a Chinese businessman, part of what it said were his numerous connections to “foreign nationals and foreign governments across the globe.”

    But Mr. Trump’s own business history is filled with overseas financial deals, and some have involved the Chinese state. He spent a decade unsuccessfully pursuing projects in China, operating an office there during his first run for president and forging a partnership with a major government-controlled company.

    And it turns out that China is one of only three foreign nations — the others are Britain and Ireland — where Mr. Trump maintains a bank account, according to an analysis of the president’s tax records, which were obtained by The New York Times. The foreign accounts do not show up on Mr. Trump’s public financial disclosures, where he must list personal assets, because they are held under corporate names. The identities of the financial institutions are not clear.

  151. Libturd says:

    Phew! For a minute there, I thought India might have knocked us out of first place. Fear not, these super spreader rallies will certainly put us back at #1.

    https://tinyurl.com/covidracing

    Charts are looking pretty damning right now.

    In other news. One kid on son’s hockey team is in quarantine and game on Wednesday is cancelled due to too much sickness on opposing team.

  152. D-FENS says:

    They’re real

    FBI ‘seizes Hunter’s laptops, says emails are REAL and believes they aren’t part of Russian disinformation campaign’ trib.al/uqGmWJM

  153. Juice Box says:

    Giuliani made a criminal referral to the Delaware State police, apparently pics and texts to underage girls involved while Hunter was on his crack binges.

  154. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    Latest studies say the virus fatalities rates are plunging as it attenuates.

    Election Day +1 if Biden wins, the new mantra from the propaganda industry will be that we have to start to learn to live with the virus. Fauci will disappear, no more getting booked 24×7 to scare people.

  155. Fast Eddie says:

    Giuliani made a criminal referral to the Delaware State police, apparently pics and texts to underage girls involved while Hunter was on his crack binges.

    Holy shit. And the laptop is in FBI hands. Joe is cooked.

  156. 30 year realtor says:

    Giuliani does not have standing to make a criminal referral in this situation. As private counsel his client must be the victim of civil or criminal wrong doing for him to have standing. This is just another abuse of the truth by the Trump campaign.

    Trump has reached desperation level. Where are the findings of wrong doing about Biden based on senate investigations that have been completed. There is no smoking gun or new information contained in the Hunter Biden information provided to the New York Post.

    The POTUS is Chicken Little screaming the sky is falling. The only people who believe him are members of his cult!

  157. Fast Eddie says:

    Will they indict Joe before the election or if he wins, force him to resign and have Carmella steer the ship into the rocks?

  158. Juice Box says:

    State of Delaware Attoney General (Democratic Party) punts to the FBI of course.

    “Rudy Giuliani’s efforts to tarnish Joe Biden’s presidential campaign continued in Delaware when he visited a New Castle County police station Monday to share files from what he said was Hunter Biden’s laptop.

    “They’ve got a hard drive, or a laptop, or something to that effect. They try to turn it over to New Castle County PD. New Castle County PD calls us,” said Mat Marshall, a spokesman for Delaware Attorney General Kathy Jennings.

    Jennings’ office subsequently gave the device to the FBI because the federal agency reportedly had opened an investigation into the veracity of claims about the origin of the laptop and how its alleged contents were shared with Giuliani’s team, Marshall said.

    “As we’ve seen in multiple reports (the FBI) is looking into whether these claims are credible,” he said, “In light of their investigation, we’re referring it over to them now.”

    https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2020/10/20/giuliani-gives-alleged-hunter-biden-laptop-new-castle-county-police/5999345002/

  159. Hold my beer says:

    I went to vote this morning and the line was already over 70 people long 20 minutes before voting opened. I will try again another day.

  160. ExEssex says:

    OK guys you have me convinced! I am not voting
    For hUnTeR bIdEn.

  161. Juice Box says:

    30 year standing or not, none of us here are Attorney’s in Delaware and have no idea how their laws work, it seems that the local PD took the hard drive called their attorney general and she did not want to pursue it. Prosecutor’s discretion wrapped up in we referred the criminal activity to the FBI. Does she have standing? You Betcha….

    As I just pointed out Giuliani turned over evidence of illegal activity to the local PD,
    you do know filing a false report is a crime. You think he would do that?

    This isn’t going away even if Joe wins. DOJ will be forced to make a statement. Next up the pics and videos and sexting messages to minors are leaked, so many copies of that hard drive by now and there are literally thousands of reporters looking to make their mark on this election too….

  162. Juice Box says:

    Essex – A good prosecutor will take that evidence against Hunter Biden and cut a deal for a bigger fish, the bigger crimes he has knowledge of. If anyone knows about the funny money from China, Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, it’s Hunter Biden and Pedos don’t do well in jail.

  163. JCer says:

    Sounds like Hunter has been operating ala Carlos Danger…….

    My guess is there is not the wholly disturbing images the conspiracy theorists think(hunter engaged in $ex acts with a minor) but rather highly inappropriate texts with minors and pictures back and forth. If Hunter was acting as a predator I hope the Delaware prosecutors office goes after him, that is egregious behavior regardless of who your father is or how much money you have.

  164. Libturd says:

    They should go after the crackhead son. But what does this have to do with Joe? Just more lies from the administration that has turned lying into their MO.

  165. ExEssex says:

    9:55 dream on. If this ignorant POTUS taught me anything it’s that crime doesn’t bother constituents. It’s over. Trump is toast. Two more weeks.

  166. ExEssex says:

    I love my Country.

    I can’t stand what’s happened to it under Trump.

  167. chicagofinance says:

    Ex: You never told me you had a dad……
    https://youtu.be/wC2fdRnBEoY?t=139

  168. Fast Eddie says:

    I love my Country.

    I can’t stand what’s happened to it under Trumpthe s0cial1st democrats.

    Fixed it.

  169. ExEssex says:

    Oct. 21, 2020 at 4:00 a.m. PDT
    As the Donald Trump parenthesis in the republic’s history closes, he is opening the sluices on his reservoir of invectives and self-pity. A practitioner of crybaby conservatism — no one, he thinks, has suffered so much since Job lost his camels and acquired boils — and ever a weakling, Trump will end his presidency as he began it: whining.

    His first day cloaked in presidential dignity he spent disputing photographic proof that his inauguration crowd was substantially smaller than his immediate predecessor’s. Trump’s day of complaining continued at the CIA headquarters, at the wall commemorating those who died serving the agency. His presidency that began with a wallow in self-pity probably will end in ignominy when he slinks away pouting, trailing clouds of recriminations, without a trace of John McCain’s graciousness on election night 2008:

    “Sen. [Barack] Obama has achieved a great thing for himself and for his country. I applaud him for it, and offer my sincere sympathy that his beloved grandmother did not live to see this day — though our faith assures us she is at rest in the presence of her Creator and so very proud of the good man she helped raise. . . . And my heart is filled with nothing but gratitude . . . to the American people for giving me a fair hearing before deciding that Sen. Obama and my old friend, Sen. Joe Biden, should have the honor of leading us for the next four years.”

    Just 12 years separate the nation from this tradition of political competition bounded by banisters of good manners. Subsequently, the Republican Party has eagerly surrendered its self-respect. And having hitched its wagon to a plummeting cinder, the party is about to have a rendezvous with a surly electorate wielding a truncheon. The party picked a bad year to invite a mugging, a year ending in zero: Approximately 80 percent of state legislative seats will be filled this year, and next year the occupants, many of them Democrats wafted into office by a wave election, will redraw congressional districts based on the 2020 Census.
    After Democrats controlled the House for 40 years (1954-1994), control of it changed under four presidents (Bill Clinton in 1994, George W. Bush in 2006, Obama in 2010, Trump in 2018). Trump’s legacy might include a decade of Democratic control of the House.

    Political prophecy is an optional folly, but occasionally, as now, it might be useful by encouraging eligible voters to take the trouble to participate in a historic correction. It is not yet probable, but is not highly improbable, that Joe Biden can become the first candidate in 32 years to capture more than 400 electoral votes (George H.W. Bush, 426 in 1988). He can do this by carrying some Trump 2016 states where Biden is either leading or within the margin of polling error — Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Ohio and Texas.

    Texas is the most important red state: Without its electoral votes (38 today; probably 41 in 2024), the Republican path to 270 is dauntingly narrow. Trump’s 52 percent in Texas in 2016 was the lowest Republican total in 24 years (when Bob Dole split the anti-Clinton vote with Ross Perot). With seven of the nation’s 15 fastest-growing cities (El Paso is almost the size of Boston; San Antonio is twice the size of Seattle), Texas illustrates the Republican Party’s understandable antipathy toward that which it exists to persuade: the electorate. Texas’s Republican governor, with the elastic scruples of his party, has ordered (this is being litigated) that each of the state’s 254 counties shall have only one drop-off site for absentee ballots — one for Loving County (population 169), one for Harris County (Houston, population 4.7 million, 70 percent non-White), one for Brewster County, whose size (6,192.3 square miles) could hold Connecticut with room remaining for more than half of Rhode Island.

    The GOP’s desire — demonstrated in myriad measures in many states — for low voter turnout is prudent: As the nation becomes more urban, suburban, diverse and secular, the Republican Party becomes more fixated on rural and small-town White voters. Thirty-six percent of Americans lived in rural areas in 1950; in 1990, 25 percent did; today, 17.5 percent do. Now, the rural population, 60 million, is about what it was in 1945. Since then, the urban population has almost tripled.
    Analyst Charlie Cook asks: “In 2016, 87 percent of Trump’s vote came from whites. For congressional Republicans in the 2018 midterms, it was 86 percent. Is this sustainable?” You have to admire Republicans’ jaunty, if suicidal, wager that it is.

  170. ExEssex says:

    That was written by George Will

  171. joyce says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQSRrXAh8BA

    Resisting arrest… arrested without getting his @ss kicked
    Physical interference from multiple bystanders… not arrested, not cited

  172. Fast Eddie says:

    It’s been close to a week since O’Biden has left his house. This is the man the progressives have chosen to secure our nation and pretend to be a leader. This is the man the social1st left wants to rescue and feed them, to protect them and ensure that they have meaning in their lives. He is pale, indisposed, faint, puny and flaccid… a replica of the constituents to whom he represents. On the other side, we have a man that pushes forward, addresses crowds, advances, drives and keeps charging despite the onslaught of phony bluffer and sputum from the sniveling, whimpering, weeping, puling cries of thin voices and even thinner skinned cadavers.

  173. JCer says:

    Libturd, in agreement here, the crimes of the son are not the father’s in this case….

    This has nothing to do with Joe but is serious news and should be prosecuted if true.

  174. 3b says:

    Jcer: I don’t know if we can say at this point it has nothing to do with Joe. Based on his Sons history I would think that Biden would have kept some type of check on his business dealings, since he was a sitting VP.

  175. Phoenix says:

    Joyce,
    And Murphy just vetoed body cameras. Look at all of the faces they redacted on a public street.

    What exactly do they have to hide? Transparency is honesty, right?

    https://www.nj.com/politics/2020/10/murphy-vetoes-bills-requiring-cops-to-use-body-cameras-citing-cost-and-privacy-concerns.html

  176. Phoenix says:

    Leftwing,
    I will not be voting for Biden. But not Trump either. Both are too revolting. I found it interesting that my young compadres at work all giggled when they chose to vote against the veteran tax break. That is one thing they all were in agreement about, no vet is getting one dime from them if it is up to them.

  177. Phoenix says:

    “Libturd, in agreement here, the crimes of the son are not the father’s in this case….

    This has nothing to do with Joe but is serious news and should be prosecuted if true.”

    If he is really a crack head, then he is easily manipulated by those who can supply him with his needs, or use it as leverage to get him to do what they want.

    Not dad’s problem, nor his fault. Plenty of non-famous people that have kids with uncontrollable drug problems. Or mentally ill wives/ex’s.

  178. leftwing says:

    “Giuliani does not have standing to make a criminal referral in this situation. As private counsel his client must be the victim of civil or criminal wrong doing for him to have standing.”

    Uhmmmmm…awright….how about you swap some photos and texts with underage girls and leave your laptop open near my driveway? Can 100% assure you some NJSP will be knocking on your door not shortly thereafter….

    Quality facial recognition technology at the consumer level is easily enough available. If girls are in any of the photos shouldn’t be that hard to trace them….Delaware police and AG want to cover for this piece of sh1t family, yet again?

    Fine, hand the IDs to some real tenacious scumbag lawyers and you have your vic, complainant, and a massive civil suit. Those ill-gotten millions will disappear quickly…..

  179. Juice Box says:

    I find it more disconcerting that the FBI has had the laptop since December and there was no arrest. Did the Feds make a referral to the State and they failed to act on it?

    Lots of questions too bad the reporters at the Washington post and NY times are all tied up looking into Trump’s golf cart expenses to the government. Wasn’t Biden charging the Secret Service rent for his spare bedroom? Where is that story?

  180. Juice Box says:

    Phoenix – veteran tax break? There already are several.

    Here is the big one.

    100% Disabled Veteran Property Tax Exemption.

    Heck even a deceased veteran’s Spouse get’s it too for life.

    https://www.state.nj.us/treasury/taxation/lpt/lpt-disabledvet.shtml\

    I know a family taking advantage of this, father is deceased and was a disabled Vietnam veteran. House is in the mother’s name and they get a free ride on property tax along as she is living.

  181. JCer says:

    Juice, they want to expand that to non-combat veterans. That is the issue on the ballot. I’m voting no to the expansion, this state can’t afford to give anyone a tax break and I sure as h*ll am not getting one.

  182. JCer says:

    Juice that is disturbing if Hunter was assaulting minors and the FBI was sitting on it heads should roll. It’s more political BS, again crimes against children are horrible and to cover that up for a political candidate should be a serious crime and who requested it not be prosecuted presumably until after the election?

  183. Fabius Maximus says:

    Interesting reporting coming out of Fox of all places.

    https://twitter.com/JacquiHeinrich/status/1318791001247539213

    “The FBI will not confirm exactly what they are investigating – adding that this may relate to the ongoing investigation around Rudy Giuliani that has been recently reported…”
    […]
    “..The FBI’s handling of John Paul Mac Isaac indicates he is a target of the investigation, rather than a witness. Mac Isaac stated that he met with the FBI once or twice, then the FBI stopped talking to him…”

  184. Fast Eddie says:

    The White House is considering slashing millions of dollars for coronavirus relief, HIV treatment, screenings for newborns and other programs in Democratic-led cities that President Donald Trump has deemed “anarchist jurisdictions,” according to documents obtained by POLITICO.

    F.ucking dynamite. You c0cksuckers on the left are heIIbent on destroying whatever is left of my country. You mutherf.ckers despise what this nation stood for and want it transformed to some failing form of social1sm… a complete mish-mosh of pallid lifelessness so that we blend in harmony with the rest of the failing global, public states. Apologize to your children and grandchildren for becoming legendary p.ussies and bowing down to weakness like the epic c.ucks that you have become.

  185. leftwing says:

    grim, in mod, please release. thx

  186. Fast Eddie says:

    The mind of a liberal: To demand something in exchange for nothing. To have a brain yet evade the effort to think. How humiliating and demeaning to oneself. How shameful to admit weakness.

  187. Phoenix says:

    Jcer, More handouts, but no money for body cameras. How many of these veterans are police?

    N.J. is quickly heading into the abyss.

  188. JCer says:

    yeah the camera issue is interesting, probably more about saving money on the lawsuits…..

    50 million is like what Murphy spends on salt for three months!

  189. Bystander says:

    “It’s more political BS, again crimes against children are horrible and to cover that up for a political candidate should be a serious crime and who requested it not be prosecuted presumably until after the election?”

    Where were these thoughts 4 years ago, JCER?

    Four women who competed in the 1997 Miss Teen USA beauty pageant said Donald Trump walked into the dressing room while contestants — some as young as 15 — were changing.

    “I remember putting on my dress really quick because I was like, ‘Oh my god, there’s a man in here,’ ” said Mariah Billado, the former Miss Vermont Teen USA.

    Trump, she recalled, said something like, “Don’t worry, ladies, I’ve seen it all before.”

    Three other women, who asked to remain anonymous for fear of getting engulfed in a media firestorm, also remembered Trump entering the dressing room while girls were changing. Two of them said the girls rushed to cover their bodies, with one calling it “shocking” and “creepy.” The third said she was clothed and introduced herself to Trump.

    The story also reported:

    Of the 11 (contestants) who said they don’t remember Trump coming into the changing room, some said it was possible that it happened while they weren’t in the room or that they didn’t notice. But most were dubious or dismissed the possibility out of hand.

    Allison Bowman, former Miss Wisconsin Teen USA, cast doubt on whether it happened. “These were teenage girls,” Bowman said. “If anything inappropriate had gone on, the gossip would have flown.”

    But there was also this:

    Billado said she told Ivanka Trump (Trump’s daughter), about Donald Trump entering the room while the girls were changing their clothes. Billado remembers Ivanka answering, “Yeah, he does that.”

    Trump’s words

    Three days before Kind made his statement, CNN reported on comments Trump has made about women to radio talk show host Howard Stern over the years. In a 2005 interview, Trump talked about walking in on naked contestants — but that was in response to a discussion about the Miss USA and Miss Universe pageants, whose contestants are adults. Trump said:

    Well, I’ll tell you the funniest is that I’ll go backstage before a show, and everyone’s getting dressed and ready and everything else, and you know, no men are anywhere. And I’m allowed to go in because I’m the owner of the pageant and therefore I’m inspecting it. You know, I’m inspecting, I want to make sure that everything is good.

    You know, the dresses. ‘Is everyone okay?’ You know, they’re standing there with no clothes. ‘Is everybody okay?’ And you see these incredible looking women, and so, I sort of get away with things like that. But no, I’ve been very good.

  190. Bystander says:

    ..I give you Trump’s finest and our laptop handler..handling some other things apparently.

    Rudy Giuliani Caught On Camera Appearing To Touch G**nitals During ‘Borat’ Prank

  191. Phoenix says:

    probably more about saving money on the lawsuits…..,

    What lawsuits? These guys are like sugar and spice.

  192. Fabius Maximus says:

    The wheels are coming off the Donnie Express.

    https://twitter.com/mattmfm/status/1319063522756743173
    Let me get this straight: The Washington Post breaks the news that foreign adversaries are interfering in the election to threaten Democrats, and the DNI immediately holds a press conference to say it’s actually interference against Trump?

  193. walking says:

    ok a little levity here since everyone is getting their knickers all knotted up. With the Giants win on Sunday and Dallas loss on Monday the Giants are only one game out of first in the the NFC East.

    #2 With the NBA season taking place in Florida, will the players owe any state income tax in NY? or did they just pull a tepper? I thought of this as Cuomo announced he is behind 3 billion in tax receipts.

  194. njtownhomer says:

    https://www.pallottaforcongress.com/ local GOP contender. Impressive bio

    Small business owner but not the mom and pop kind. To my surprise, there is no reference to his past career on the website. Why would anyone omit GS, CS and MS wall street background? Could that be related to being in the middle of the mortgage crisis and having sold the subprime risk just before the mortgage crash? I wonder.

  195. Fabius Maximus says:

    Rudi Colludi’s very bad day.

    https://time.com/5902557/hunter-biden-rudy-giuliani-ukraine/

    “One mystery that has surrounded Giuliani’s effort to aid Trump’s re-election bid is the original source of the photos and emails he has leaked to the New York Post. No other news organization has been able to verify the contents of the leak. “

  196. crushednjmillenial says:

    Covid is roaring back.

    Today was the highest global total of new confirmed cases ever. The US has not eclipsed its prior records yet, but it is already trending up and the cold weather is coming back day-by-day.

    If you have the option, stay home. I don’t support massive and prolonged mandatory shutdowns, but if you can choose to stay away from people, it is time to start taking this as serious as you ever have again.

    I hope the hospitals are ready and that they have enough of whatever the Presdient took for everyone.

  197. crushednjmillenial says:

    ^the seven-day average of new cases in the US has risen every day since October 1. God bless us all.

    We are currently at 61k/new confirmed cases per day, 7-day average.

    The all-time high was around 70k/day, but that was in July. I would characterize that time period as being when the first wave hit most of the Midwest and South, and was when many learned to wear masks which cut down on spread thereafter. Now, with masks and all, we are starting to get cold-and-flu season numbers, unfortunately, and the trend is accelerating upward.

  198. 3b says:

    I would think the Iranians at least would be targeting Trump, not Biden.

  199. ExEssex says:

    Unrest is unrest. Chaos is something these countries would love to see in America.

  200. Phoenix says:

    “I hope the hospitals are ready and that they have enough of whatever the Presdient took for everyone.”

    Haahaaa. And Air Force one to give everyone a ride..

  201. ExEssex says:

    Get on !!! I feel like a golden god!!!!

    – Trump

  202. Chicago says:

    What kind of meet­ings can a Chi­nese ty­coon buy for $10 mil­lion a year? A full seven days af­ter the New York Post be­gan pub­lish­ing emails show­ing Biden fam­ily in­flu­ence ped­dling, for­mer Vice Pres­i­dent Joe Biden still isn’t say­ing the emails are fake. But Mr. Biden did fi­nally have to dis­cuss his fam­ily busi­ness on Tues­day, thanks to Mil­wau­kee tele­vi­sion re­porter Adri­enne Ped­er­sen of ABC af­fil­i­ate WISN.

  203. Chicago says:

    Joe Biden de­nied that his fam­ily has prof­ited from his pub­lic of­fices, ap­pear­ing to con­tra­dict a state­ment his son Hunter Biden made last year in which he said he thinks he would “prob­a­bly not” have been asked to be on the board of a Ukrain­ian en­ergy com­pany if he were not Biden’s son.

  204. Chicago says:

    Ye, who had ties to the Chi­nese mil­i­tary and in­tel­li­gence ser­vice, hasn’t been seen since be­ing taken into cus­tody by Chi­nese au­thor­i­ties in early 2018, and CEFC went bank­rupt ear­lier this year, ac­cord­ing to re­ports.

    Biden wrote that Ye had sweet­ened the terms of an ear­lier, three-year con­sult­ing con­tract with CEFC that was to pay him $10 mil­lion an­nu­ally “for in­tro­duc­tions alone.”

  205. Chicago says:

    WSJ Editorial

    Most of the me­dia is ig­nor­ing the emails found in Hunter Biden’s lap­top, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t news. Joe Biden has an oblig­a­tion to an­swer ques­tions about his son’s in­flu­ence-ped­dling and his own fi­nan­cial deal­ings—no­tably re­gard­ing China.
    The New York Post last week ob­tainedthe con­tents of a lap­top pur­ported to be­long to Hunter. The Post has been trans­par­ent that it ob­tained its copy of the hard drive from Trump lawyer Rudy Giu­liani, who says he re­ceived it from the owner of a Del­aware com­puter-re­pair shop, where it was aban­doned in 2019. Mr. Biden de­rides this as a “smear cam­paign,” while House In­tel­li­gence Chair Adam Schiff calls it with­out ev­i­dence “Russ­ian dis­in­for­ma­tion.”

    Di­rec­tor of Na­tional In­tel­li­gence John Rat­cliffe says the gov­ern­ment has no in­tel­li­gence to sup­port the dis­in­for­ma­tion claim. A re­pair-shop or­der from April 2019 con­tains Hunter’s name and what ap­pears to be his sig­na­ture. The shop owner sup­plied a sub­poena show­ing the com­puter and hard drive were seized by the FBI in De­cem­ber 2019. And the Biden cam­paign hasn’t said the emails are phony.

    The emails re­gard­ing Hunter’s busi­ness in Ukraine have been widely re­ported. But as in­trigu­ing is a May 2017 email thread that in­cludes a dis­cus­sion about “re­mu­ner­a­tion pack­ages” for six peo­ple as part of a busi­ness deal with a now-de­funct Chi­nese en­ergy ti­tan, CEFC China En­ergy. The Chi­nese com­pany was in­ternational news a few years ago, af­ter the U.S. gov­ern­ment charged a CEFC-funded or­ga­ni­za­tion with money laun­der­ing, and its CEO was de­tained by Chi­nese au­thor­i­ties. CNN re­ported in 2018 that “at its height” CEFC was “hard to dis­tin­guish” from the Chi­nese gov­ern­ment.

    Ac­cord­ing to the emails, both Bidens were in line in 2017 to ben­e­fit from a deal with CEFC. One email ap­pears to iden­tify Hunter Biden as “Chair/Vice Chair de­pend­ing on agree­ment with CEFC.” It also refers to fi­nan­cial pay­ments in terms of “20” for “H” and “10 held by H for the big guy?”

    Fox News says it has con­firmed the ve­rac­ity of the email with one of its re­cip­i­ents and that sources say the “big guy” is Joe Biden. An Au­gust 2017 email from “Robert Biden” (Hunter’s le­gal first name) crows that the orig­i­nal deal was for $10 mil­lion a year in fees, but that it had since be­come “much more in­ter­est­ing to me and my fam­ily” be­cause it in­cluded a share of “the eq­uity and prof­its.” The Biden cam­paign says the Veep’s tax re­turns don’t show any in­volve­ment with Chi­nese in­vest­ments.

    The De­mo­c­ra­tic-me­dia re­frain is that even if these lat­est emails are real—again, the Bidens don’t deny their au­then­tic­ity—they fail to prove Mr. Biden broke any law. But felonies aren’t the min­i­mum stan­dard for po­lit­i­cal be­hav­ior. Mr. Biden was a pri­vate cit­i­zen in 2017 but was con­sid­er­ing a pres­i­den­tial run. A trans­ac­tion that would have made him—or his son—part­ners with an en­tity tied to the Chi­nese gov­ern­ment raises ques­tions about judg­ment and how he would han­dle China as Pres­i­dent.

    Joe Biden ought to clear the air on this China busi­ness in his own po­lit­i­cal in­ter­est. Is he the “big guy” in the email? What hap­pened with the deal? China will be one of Mr. Biden’s tough­est for­eign-pol­icy chal­lenges, and the un­ex­plained doc­u­ments won’t go away once he’s elected. If Re­pub­li­cans hold the Sen­ate, you can bet there will be more dig­ging.

    Pres­i­dent Trump, as usual, is mud­dy­ing the story with in­ap­pro­pri­ate de­mands that the De­part­ment of Jus­tice in­ves­ti­gate a po­ten­tial crime. But the real bur­den here should be on Mr. Biden and the press. Per­haps Joe Biden wasn’t in­volved, and Hunter was us­ing his fa­ther’s name to ad­vance his own busi­ness in­ter­ests. But it’s also pos­si­ble that Joe Biden was aware of the CEFC busi­ness and was un­will­ing to tell his son that he couldn’t trade on his fa­ther’s name and po­si­tion.

    Whatever the truth, the public deserves better than Mr. Biden’s Trump-like dismissal of the CBS reporter who so far is the only one brave enough to ask about the emails.    

  206. Chicago says:

    FabMax reminds me of Dick Dastardly
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=datMjH31b14

  207. Juice Box says:

    Re: hope the hospitals are ready

    My understanding is all the extra money has been pocketed, no stockpiles of PPE no extra ventilators no extra nurses hired. This is anecdotal info from a family friend who works in a hospital in NY state.

    Hospitals use the same supply chain dynamics to stock PPE as supermarkets do to stock toilet paper. California Just passed a law to force their hospitals To have a three months supply Of PPE on hand but that does not go into effect until next year.

    The money Congress allocated went to fill the gap from all of the other business lost, people did not go to the hospital for elective surgeries, cancer treatments etc etc.I would say once the hospital beds fill up again we will be right back to where we were in the spring.

  208. Juice Box says:

    NJ is building a stockpile, not sure what science they are using, not a whole lot of ventilators it seems.

    https://njbmagazine.com/njb-news-now/nj-building-massive-ppe-stockpile/

  209. homeboken says:

    Tony Bobulinski
    Bevan Cooney

    Two rather obscure names that are about to become very well known.

    Keep an eye on the WSJ.

  210. D-FENS says:

    Superspreader event

    Murphy was at a bar Saturday when he came into contact with staffer who now has COVID-19, sources say nj-ne.ws/6x1BP5V

  211. leftwing says:

    “Let me get this straight: The Washington Post breaks the news that foreign adversaries are interfering in the election to threaten Democrats, and the DNI immediately holds a press conference to say it’s actually interference against Trump?”

    You find that weirder than that when an incriminating computer hard drive is produced MSM flat out ignores and bans even mention of it while concurrently investigating the producer of that drive stating without basis that it came from foreign adversaries?

  212. Juice Box says:

    No wonder Obama was Just harping on a bank account Trump International Hotels LLC had back in 2013, when he was trying to do licensing deals in China. Barry tried to make it seem it was today, but he could not pull it off.

    Seems Beijing Barry knew that the Tony Bobulinski story was about to drop. I hope that Attorney General William Barr has properly documented all of this for the FISA court wiretaps needless to spy legally on the Biden campaign.

    Do we get an arrest soon, no wonder the DOJ and FBI has been so quiet on the laptop they have been investigating it for 10 months!

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